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[UNKNOWN]: I am rich and he is Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: Joe, what's happened?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that is your name.
[UNKNOWN]: You are Joe.
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[UNKNOWN]: Lawn, check in on your New York mix friends if they texted you yet, or they still stay in in their own lane right now.
[UNKNOWN]: They've been mysteriously quiet even when they were up to oh, haven't heard a peep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're just nervous.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a lot of nervous energy out of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, because I didn't even hear from them up too.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so I definitely haven't heard from anybody after they lost game three and we've got 15 as I guess we go live here right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So the team is the crow flies.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not exactly my phone's not light enough either.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, yeah, I mean, that building.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you something about Matt Square Garden and New York sports fans in general.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not watching the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got, you know, the, the, the, the gimmick up, you know, the game game cast or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Do your crowds get real tight in situations like this.
[UNKNOWN]: I guarantee you they're going to get real antsy.
[UNKNOWN]: If the next don't make a run here in their trip, if there's one of those games where they're always trailing by like 12 and they can never cut at the single digits, you know, those kind of games.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: MSG is going to turn on this team.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you, I know New York fans, how many times have you seen the Yankees go down four to one in a playoff game and the Boopards come out because they get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: These fans get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: These New York fans.
[UNKNOWN]: And if they were ever to lose this game and blow that to a lead at home and put this back in the hands of the spurs.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to get ugly, it's going to get ugly, but three quarters of basketball left.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's certain buildings where you can feel that like emotional, forget the terminology.
[UNKNOWN]: Bores and Bursin used to talk about this a lot with Riggly Field, like it's an amplifier of emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what he used to call it.
[UNKNOWN]: An amplifier of emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a couple of... MSG is that way, Fenway always felt that way for me, Riggly Field feels that way where it's just like,
[UNKNOWN]: when it's when it's high it's so high and when it's bad it's so bad and there's there's never and between there's never like a murmur and that energy spills to the players you have to say it doesn't all you want you can say that all you want I know we live in the age of analytics I'm not an anti-analyze guy I wrote for the baseball prospectus for fucks sake I'm obviously not an anti-analyze guy but that energy you know Philadelphia is the same way you know it's a very much a Northeastern thing in a lot of ways to
[UNKNOWN]: It just, you know, I'm telling you, those fans are going to get tight and when those fans get tight, the players could get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to be real resilient.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that whole thing about it's harder to play in New York in Chicago.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, for some people, some players they got thicker skin to resilient.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: But for some player, it really is more difficult to play in certain cities.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no question about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, anytime the comes of it like a monumental meltdown like the one that obviously everybody, you know, always remembers is that the game six against the marbles in 2003 the Bartman game or whatever people forget about the Bartman game is after the Bartman thing it's just it was bad before that the Bartman thing happens and then it gets like it it's just.
[UNKNOWN]: It compounds one after the other hit after hit after hit and then this guy gets sent away Then a new pitcher comes in and hit after and it's just it's done it It's just like that emotional roller coaster of oh my god The cubs are going to the world series and then a couple things go wrong and it's like we're doomed
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we're losing this game.
[UNKNOWN]: We're on fab six, tough players doing this game is over.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was, and then they lost, and then they lost game seven two.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were, it's Dallas Gonzalez, make a big error in that game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so that's the thing that everybody forgets about the Barton game.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't talk about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Is after the Barton play routine, as routine as routine could be for a pretty good defender to Dallas Gonzalez, right, right, through.
[UNKNOWN]: Batch it boom right off his glove.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's like fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like they're done.
[UNKNOWN]: It's over like they're you just know They're not gonna win this game because it's just it's amplifying those emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: So Yeah, that that's that's the famous.
[UNKNOWN]: Alex Gonzales everybody forgets about the Alex Gonzales Not me, but no thank you
[UNKNOWN]: Especially if it's something that happened more than 15 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I walked in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I get nothing past me.
[UNKNOWN]: People also forget there was a game seven as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And there was like, we're dusty.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't want to take Mark prior out.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though Mark prior was clearly gasped type stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was a lot going on in that game.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't just the Bartman game.
[UNKNOWN]: I know they did as it did a 30 for 30 about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know that they really quite.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a lot of sports moments like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like like one that I can relate to is, do you remember the Ram Saints Championship game with the bad, non-passener appearance call?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, and I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was 2018, so there was just a blatant passenger appearance on a big third-down pass by the Saints down in the red zone that they did not call.
[UNKNOWN]: And at that point, the Saints could have basically with the Rams with those timeouts, could have essentially taken three knees, kicked a field goal, went to the Super Bowl.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's the scenario.
[UNKNOWN]: So they didn't get the call.
[UNKNOWN]: They kicked the field goal.
[UNKNOWN]: But what people forget about that game.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, is the same's had an opportunity on defense to stop the Rams on the next drive and Jared Gaffland right down the field and the Rams kicked the game time fuel goal.
[UNKNOWN]: People forget that the Saints had the ball first and over time and drew breeze through an interception.
[UNKNOWN]: People forget that after that interception, the Saints had a second chance to stop the Rams offence and golf took them down on the field and put them in field goal range again.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually know what I remember this now because then they were like they were like writing in the streets and there was like it was right around Marty Grond and stuff too.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I do remember this now.
[UNKNOWN]: all those dumb threats to get courts involved because of the miss call and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Junctions and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember this now.
[UNKNOWN]: I do remember this.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was a terrible miss call.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no question that it was passed in our parents.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, you had three other chances to win that game.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: People don't remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: They just they think the game ended on the bad call and people think the game ended with Bartman.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: And there's
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of sports moments like that where it's like that hold on a second They still have a chance to win here multiple times Alice Gonzalez routine ground ball You know, so it's funny that way as Victor Webbanyama drills to flagrant foul free throws again Not watching the game, but it doesn't seem to be going well for the next It is not going well for the old nigger bakers.
[UNKNOWN]: No
[UNKNOWN]: It's for as of right now 41 21.
[UNKNOWN]: So in the first quarter.
[UNKNOWN]: They've given up 41 points on the first quarter at home in uh in uh
[UNKNOWN]: in Madison Square Garden.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm not listening to the game.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm sure it's it's the thing with Madison Square Garden is you never hear like a murmur in Madison Square Garden.
[UNKNOWN]: It's either just booze or cheers.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not like some arenas.
[UNKNOWN]: There's just that like you know, that just people talking and people just kind of building about you never hear that MSG.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just they're either going a shit.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're the greatest crowd in the world or they're tight like I'm not watching this game.
[UNKNOWN]: I guarantee you if the next I'll make a rut there's a bill.
[UNKNOWN]: They're gonna get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: They're gonna the boobards are gonna come out It's gonna get nasty whereas in some random generic city if it was I don't know fucking Sacramento or something and They're like, oh well, this one's lost and like you're saying you would just get the murmur for three quarters because people are just checked out
[UNKNOWN]: This crowd isn't going to check out.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to be angry.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to be annoyed.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing about is they're going to be anxious and tight because they're going to know that they had an opportunity to lock up their first MBA title in 53 years at home.
[UNKNOWN]: And they lost both games.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're going to get, that's why my friends aren't texting me.
[UNKNOWN]: The circle back to your question.
[UNKNOWN]: They're trying to raise their tight tight tight.
[UNKNOWN]: The confidence is
[UNKNOWN]: right so they've actually been through more of this in your typical whack job 25 year old these are guys in their forties you know what I mean so they they they live through a lot more pain and you know they've seen shit yeah they live in all of Reggie Miller they live through was a Charles Smith getting blocked fifth 15 times a row the Miller the John Stark's game all of that you know they've lived through through all of that and and they're actually the
[UNKNOWN]: you see like they don't have that they don't have that like the 65 year old 70 year old Nick fan who's calling up WFAN he's got Willis Reed you know what I mean he's he's got though that's that's got a little bit of a pusher he's got some baby pusher in his life yeah he's got Bill Bradley he's got you know he's got Walt Clyde for Asia he can remember a champion chip when he was at the great age to win one like 15 years old that he saw them when a champion like that fan at least they have a champion chip
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm kind of going through this with reds fans right now because a lot of the reds fans, you know, that I, that I conversate with, to younger than me, they don't remember 1990.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember I vivid memories of 1990 because I was right in that sweet spot.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like a teenager.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the best time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The White Talks won a world series when I was 18 and that's like the perfect time to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Because enough money to go to a couple of games, time to watch everything and just yeah, just elation the entire time and no other responsibilities.
[UNKNOWN]: You just lock into the baseball season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the only thing that matters in your life at that time, you know, like, and it's like, and I, you know, I'm talking to like 30, 35, 40-year-old Reds fans, they don't remember the 1990 team, so when the Reds are going through a tough stretch, like they are now, they want to fire everybody, they want to try and it's like, you know, because they, that's what the young Nick fan is going through, because they've never seen
[UNKNOWN]: the the the pinnacle of success.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of these younger nickfans don't even remember the ninety-nine team that went to the final.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're just twenty-seven years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it was, yes, uh, over and back podcast, over and over from a classic NBA podcast, we did a watch along of the nineteen ninety-nine game five.
[UNKNOWN]: I just posted it earlier today.
[UNKNOWN]: That was fun.
[UNKNOWN]: The final score was 77 to 78 to 76.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the final score.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a different game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the spurs will get that to some point in the second quarter.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, a clip's that, but it is definitely a different game.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It was actually more fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it'd be like annoying to watch such a bad offense of game, but it's actually kind of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes it's fun to go watch bad offense for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: So you enjoyed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, why do you thought you were going to hate it?
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it would be like, there's more scoring than you think.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just it's so labored.
[UNKNOWN]: It just every possession takes a lot longer.
[UNKNOWN]: And everything takes a little bit longer to set up.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's a point in the game where LaTrelle Spreewell goes on a run.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's funny because it's like, he just channels like modern basketball.
[UNKNOWN]: LaTrelle gets the ball.
[UNKNOWN]: He pivots to the left and then he just takes two dribbles and shoots and it's like and it goes in and he doesn't like three-share possessions and you're like Wow, there's just the modern NBA right there and then the next three possessions down They pass it to Alan Houston in the post and he just like fumbles the ball It goes out of bounds and it's like they just did it's remote like you had it guys You figured it out like scream well would get like a screen at the top of the key and then take two dribbles and shoot and make it and it's like
[UNKNOWN]: early in the shot clock and I'm like well yeah you guys just unlocked basketball and then they would be like all right now we got to go to uh Larry Johnson post-ups for the text five possessions and it's like oh no you don't yeah we just slow it down and get it in the Larry Johnson this has got to be frustrating from that standpoint but uh but all of the it's just a different version of the game yeah oh yeah still fun well that's a blast yeah yeah but uh we'll keep an eye on that they're down 22
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's interesting why you know Nick fan, you know, it's it's the one thing the whole culture around the next like that kind of annoys me though obviously is someone who grew up in that area, not in the next band.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can see that.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole culture around it and this is a very annoying like I almost forgot that I fucking hate them because I.
[UNKNOWN]: for a while that was so bad that it was like it was kind of charming that they still I even mean on this run like this playoff run.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like I forgot how that I hate them and then when they went up to all I'm like wait a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want this right right right well they're very likable.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say this about the next this is the most at least in my lifetime maybe the most likable next team of my entire life
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they're a hateable group at all.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but like every, I mean, for the 90s, who had John Starks, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like it was very easy to hate.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: John Starks and a couple of those other guys were kind of in Zoyce.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the SDT?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's absolutely nice.
[UNKNOWN]: So Anthony Mason and those guys like Charles Oakley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, good.
[UNKNOWN]: some rough and tumble guys those guys were easily hateable and then i never liked car mellow i kind of thought he was a joke and then they had a couple other guys on those you know mellow teams that were okay but they were i thought they were kind of hateable too uh and so yeah it's been a first time that you've had like a nix team that's not that hateable uh and quite a while yeah i don't find them i don't find the team themselves to be a team that i dislike and i'm very easily annoyed as you know
[UNKNOWN]: No, that tells you something there.
[UNKNOWN]: Carmello was annoying.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's overrated too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like very, not fun player to why.
[UNKNOWN]: Like just a carmel Anthony, you know what he is?
[UNKNOWN]: He's the kind of player that someone who doesn't know what they're talking about thinks is a great player.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's the IQ test.
[UNKNOWN]: I always say that about Kobe, if you have Kobe is like your top five overall player all time, I know you don't know what you're talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not, don't want to have a conversation with you anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, type thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying like yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: And rating Carmello Anthony highly was a good tell that you don't know what that like you're talking about Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the high volume Type of player who yeah, just yeah, you know ball.
[UNKNOWN]: You know he's not nearly as good as a stat line.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the kind of player Carmello Anthony is getting 28 points and 21 shots.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like yeah
[UNKNOWN]: It's got 32 and okay, it's often on really bad teams.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I got a text from a nick fan.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, as you were talking.
[UNKNOWN]: What do we got?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're ready.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm ready.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so this Nick fan texted me moments before the game started with the following quote, Swift sitting first row with a Nick shirt on.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to be kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: Two weeks ago, she was in Cleveland with Kelsey and he was rooting for Cleveland and quote.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a valid point that he wants to tell me what he's telling lies.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we're going to get to, we're going to get to a Phil Brooks in a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm going to tell you, Nick Fanfriend, tell him what he's telling lies.
[UNKNOWN]: He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, that is, that is, that is fan appropriation.
[UNKNOWN]: By, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[UNKNOWN]: And it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're talking to him.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows.
[UNKNOWN]: You're out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: How dare you.
[UNKNOWN]: What does she know about lap check?
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: So then he just texted me as you were talking.
[UNKNOWN]: Very short and simple quote.
[UNKNOWN]: When does the NFL starts?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh no, he's done.
[UNKNOWN]: He's given up.
[UNKNOWN]: They're up to one still.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the NFL.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfectly sums up your point.
[UNKNOWN]: Then that right there.
[UNKNOWN]: They're currently up to one in the NBA finals.
[UNKNOWN]: In my man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they're losing this game.
[UNKNOWN]: Plenty of game left to be played.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's done.
[UNKNOWN]: He's out.
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to know when the NFL is playing.
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to know when the NFL starts.
[UNKNOWN]: They get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you they get tight.
[UNKNOWN]: He's perfectly, who's he a fan of in the NFL?
[UNKNOWN]: Is he a fucking jet fan?
[UNKNOWN]: It's not gonna be much better.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's even, it arguably worse.
[UNKNOWN]: Well,
[UNKNOWN]: The brown argue who's who's worse the dolphins.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I don't well current.
[UNKNOWN]: No current dolphins is a bad situation.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it bad?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like it's like you don't want to be jets or browns like that's just a cultural it gets never okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But right now the dolphins are in the same.
[UNKNOWN]: They're living in the same neighborhood as the jets and browns right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Put it down.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's a rough go as a dolphin fan.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Brian Greasey's not uh not put that that's looking the rock a lot right now no I although I did get this from the same guy earlier today and all capital letters with lots of exclamation points quote hot shots Yankees sweep guardians woo so okay got one team he's enjoying yes all caps on that with the pick on the yeah
[UNKNOWN]: We got the yanks are that the yanks don't want this here.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't followed really much yankies.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay Judges out for like I saw that yeah, I guess they got 41 and 26 alright.
[UNKNOWN]: They're good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's talk, let's talk wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't necessarily want to.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, actually, I like the, we got a soccer program.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's so stuff I like this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's, we're going to talk about soccer pro.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about all Japan for a wrestling as June six show.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk best of the Super Junior's finals.
[UNKNOWN]: Does the Super Junior finals?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why I had so much emphasis on that because I'm not really going to be that happy.
[UNKNOWN]: When I watch it, I'm going to preview New Japan's Dominion coming up this weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: And talk about the latest updates on Steve Maclin, Shune Skywalker, and Enzo Amore for some reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why you just told me cleaner I got this, so I don't know what the update is on Enzo Amore, but I guess I will wait and we'll do that later.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to tease your hot Enzo Amore scoops that you have here, but let's talk about Phil Brooks, old CM Punk.
[UNKNOWN]: Lots of eyeball emojis and rumors going around right now around CM Punk.
[UNKNOWN]: We've heard the most from Jacob, who is a prominent F4W poster for many, many years.
[UNKNOWN]: Twitter personalities on our discord as well.
[UNKNOWN]: He's in many other discord.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's got his own little discord.
[UNKNOWN]: And amateur scoopster of sorts, this Jacob fella.
[UNKNOWN]: But he put at Jacob 2013.blockspot.com.
[UNKNOWN]: I load a throwback for the blog spot days.
[UNKNOWN]: A little bit of angel fires.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got shut down.
[UNKNOWN]: I was a big angel fire guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you ever make any websites on age of fire geosities or no, yeah, you weren't Come on, you see me being a like picking out fucking backgrounds Gifts like it can you got the construction gift up there like I better let people know I'm working on it Rubin my chin thinking about the song that's gonna play when you log in and got up at the hit counter at the bottom to
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they countered it like, oh, we're up to 27 and this is great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got to be a fancy encounter with like flames on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good old days.
[UNKNOWN]: And you used to back in the day, you used to be like, oh, man, I got like 27 people.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't my website.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be hard, like, is how the fuck do people find that?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it was hard to find shit on the internet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If somebody got to your corner of the internet, somehow some way, that was something to be proud of.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Get that account of $1,000.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a holy crap.
[UNKNOWN]: It's unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: So many people are going to my website.
[UNKNOWN]: But, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, so Jacob 2013.blockspot.com a little bit of what he's been doing.
[UNKNOWN]: So he did like a discord stage or something.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what they call it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a Twitter space.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a discord stage, but kind of the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He was also tweeting about this.
[UNKNOWN]: He was making posts.
[UNKNOWN]: I finally put it up on this block spot post.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is the rumors that he has been hearing.
[UNKNOWN]: So the gist of what's been rumored.
[UNKNOWN]: Mostly coming from this Jacob fella.
[UNKNOWN]: is quote, punk was allegedly pressuring AJ Lee to change the finish of her WrestleMania match versus Becky Lynch, which gained him a lot of heat.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, all this is obviously in reference to the fact that he's been gone and kind of disappeared from WWE television despite the fact on the raw after WrestleMania saying I'm not taking any vacations.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be here for.
[UNKNOWN]: every week and then he hasn't been back since then.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, a allegedly pressuring agent lead a change to finish over WrestleMania match versus Becky Lynch, which gained him a lot of heat in the office.
[UNKNOWN]: Shortly after WrestleMania, again, this is just the rumors shortly after WrestleMania.
[UNKNOWN]: Punk was alleged to have been asked for and declined to take a pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: So possibly he was one of the people asked to take a pay cut and he declined.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... the rumor also is that punk uh... and tq in gay uh... uh... in entered into renegotiations on his deal uh... but it went very poorly and punk allegedly threatened legal action to secure his release from ww so that is what jacub has had on uh... or jacub not is that the man's not a name is not jacub but it might be
[UNKNOWN]: It's Jay Cup as in the Super Jay Cup if you want or I would have her but that is the rumors right now from him.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to go to some of the other people in a bit, but I want you to react to what Jay Cup said right there.
[UNKNOWN]: So thoughts on anything there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean as noted even by him and I should note that I have a friendly relationship with Jay Cup.
[UNKNOWN]: I chat with him now and then we shoot the shit.
[UNKNOWN]: We change plenty of unverified rumors and speculation with one another, but even he would tell you that none of that is necessarily verified.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously what he had to say kicked off a lot of actual reporters digging in to see how much of this may have been true or untrue.
[UNKNOWN]: And none of this is verified.
[UNKNOWN]: We should say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think really it opens up
[UNKNOWN]: a larger and more interesting conversation of another wrestling media conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what do we do with this?
[UNKNOWN]: We have what is essentially
[UNKNOWN]: uh... an anonymous no one knows who he is and and it's a like he's an anonymous essentially twitter user who is now starting to develop his own platforms with his own discord and things like that but he's really just the board poster twitter user who has always been uh... someone who is is plugged into some degree who has shared rumors and steal from another podcast rumors and in the window that that crosses desk
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's up to you as the consumer to decide how seriously you take.
[UNKNOWN]: those rumors and those scoops of the Z and that in UNDO.
[UNKNOWN]: But the question then becomes, when you have someone like this who, for lack of a better phrase, we can describe as an amateur scoopster, I think he wouldn't be offended by that term, should legitimate reporters, journalists, wrestling media people, should they even acknowledge,
[UNKNOWN]: stuff like that that's clearly being presented as just, hey, here is what I'm hearing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a reporter, I have no degree.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not verifying any of this, but here's some rumors for everyone that you want.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the kind of thing that legitimate reporters should acknowledge looking to and attempt to verify or debunk?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's an interesting question because obviously, if this were politics or sports
[UNKNOWN]: Rumors being discussed by a random Twitter account, a non-professional reporter, would largely be ignored, at least on a large scale, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No one's gonna pay.
[UNKNOWN]: ESPN is not going to talk about some random Twitter user post in a bunch of unverified scoops on Twitter or in a discord, you know, what sports center comes on at 10pm.
[UNKNOWN]: The trade journals in the entertainment world
[UNKNOWN]: a random Twitter user or discord user who may or may not be plugged in, discussing unverified rumors on, you know, on a public social media platform, but particularly so that doesn't put their name to anything.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, I'm not criticizing Jacob.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying this is what this is what we're looking at right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I've no beef with Jacob at all either, but yeah, it's
[UNKNOWN]: we're talking about this man named jacub and we're talking about jacub 2013 dot blog spot dot com we have no idea who this person is what sources he has what is backgrounds in journalism or writing or anything it's just an anonymous guy is an anonymous guy who knows some people and here's some things and admits in just about every case that it's unverified.
[UNKNOWN]: But in pro wrestling, as opposed to entertainment or sports or politics, we're none of this would get the time of day, because pro wrestling media is such its own bizarre thing, where they're so few, and I just talked about this with Damon actually, where they're so few actual professional entities with people who are legitimate, credentialed journalists and things like that, it leaves open
[UNKNOWN]: There's room in the ecosystem for these lack of a better term amateur scoopsters to just come in and say things and for people to take it seriously because there's such a lack of real legitimate outlets that are doing real legitimate work.
[UNKNOWN]: And because of that,
[UNKNOWN]: when someone like Jacob puts stuff out there like that, it gets taken far more seriously, not from the standpoint of whether or not you believe or you think there's validity to those scoops, but it gets just taken more seriously, even by the people working in media itself.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Sean Ross, did a podcast with John Albert today, largely centered around these unverified CM Punk rumors.
[UNKNOWN]: So that would never happen in politics or sports or entertainment or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: They would never discuss that in variety or trade journals or you know, you know, no one on CNN would discuss, you know, unverified some random Twitter user saying shit about some, I mean, it just wouldn't happen, not at this scale.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's an interesting conversation to have.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, why is wrestling this way?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we know the answer to that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I just laid out why.
[UNKNOWN]: And is the legitimate media should they be acknowledging this?
[UNKNOWN]: Or should they just let it out just hang in the ether and ignore it?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess the answer would be if you feel like you can leverage it for downloads, listens, hits, money,
[UNKNOWN]: then you're probably going to acknowledge it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's really what it comes down to.
[UNKNOWN]: What do your thoughts on this?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're literally talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, it becomes a thing where this is the big news story this week.
[UNKNOWN]: The CM Punk unverified rumors is the big news story right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And it would almost feel weird not addressing it and not speaking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, what are we really talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: We're talking about information, not even the source of saying is completely unverified.
[UNKNOWN]: So why do we do this and should we be doing it?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have, I want to talk through it because I don't necessarily, I'm not coming in with the stance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the thing that you always bring up, and I think this is a good time to talk about it too, is, is...
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of this is on the way the wrestling business reports news and the way and I'm not I'm not talking about wrestling journalists here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about the business in general and the way that we still have this strange weird industry that you always say, like, a wrestler, you know, you'll report something about a wrestler, the wrestler quotes, we didn't like, yeah, that's not the whole story.
[UNKNOWN]: And then if you say,
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, well, tell me the whole story.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to cry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not telling you the story.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, well, okay, then you're not allowed to say, oh, that's not the real story.
[UNKNOWN]: And then never tell anybody what the real story is.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's this wrestling is still this weird, carny business of liars and secrets and half truths and all this sort of stuff that
[UNKNOWN]: there's there's a void of information coming from the top, which usually allows people to recklessly speculate things and in this case ask around about things and maybe get some information about things and and go wild with stuff like this because look if CM Punk.
[UNKNOWN]: had let let's take this example perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: He comes back on the menu the the roster WrestleMania and says I'm not going on vacation I'll be here every week and he's fucking gone and we haven't seen him in weeks and we have no idea what's going on and WWE isn't said anything they haven't said
[UNKNOWN]: CM Punk is out because of whatever they didn't do a storyline to write him out.
[UNKNOWN]: He just went poof and he disappeared.
[UNKNOWN]: So what you're doing is you're allowing that information void to for people to say what the fuck's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: CM Punk, why is he not there?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is he not around?
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't say anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Why did he say he was going to be here?
[UNKNOWN]: And now he's not here or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And for wrestling, they might just say, well, I just see how.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes guys have creative.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes guys don't.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes guys around the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes guys aren't.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: That would never, if, if Victor went beyond it, let's bring an example to the NBA if he just if he played in game this game of the NBA finals and then he just didn't He was just not there for the rest of the NBA finals.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just gone and then they, like, what would happen?
[UNKNOWN]: People would recklessly speculate.
[UNKNOWN]: They would be like, what the fuck's going on?
[UNKNOWN]: What's going on?
[UNKNOWN]: And if the spurs just said, Well, that's not on your business.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's a, don't, don't worry about it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, We were going to worry about it.
[UNKNOWN]: The guy, it's your superstar has disappeared and he's not on the bench.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not playing in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: What the fuck happened to me?
[UNKNOWN]: He just disappeared one day after the game.
[UNKNOWN]: what happened it was he heard is he okay is there a family emergency is he what's going on but wrestling like because of that information and that would never happen the spurs would say always hurt or oh he there was a family emergency they would have to say something they couldn't just cross the rarms to say nana nana no we're not going to tell you that's not for your information like that would just that information would get reported by somebody somewhere or the team themselves would have to say something but wrestling it's just these things happen and it's if
[UNKNOWN]: they just poof go away.
[UNKNOWN]: It leads to things like this and it leads to people having questions up and up to the right.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why I don't, I don't necessarily be grudge anybody for doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't be grudge anybody for asking around because I'm guessing that because this guy is just fucking disappeared off the face of WWE's Earth for a couple months and it's this guy with the history that he has.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's CM Punk and obviously
[UNKNOWN]: right around the time that the pay cut story was coming out like you're able to kind of ask around so I think what dots that can be connected.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah so I think you get people that then like like Jay Copper whatever who might have some sources in there and he starts asking well what's the deal here what's going on here what's what's happening and in a normal healthy
[UNKNOWN]: sports or business or whatever, I think you would have journalists that would feel comfortable and a wrestling company that would feel comfortable.
[UNKNOWN]: If somebody said, hey, what's going on with CM Punk?
[UNKNOWN]: He hasn't been around for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: And if if this is a healthy business, they could just say, oh, well, you know what, there's, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: creative, we're working on some stories or he's nursing injury, but we're never going to get that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, your wrestling is never going to give you that.
[UNKNOWN]: There's never going to be that open line of communication.
[UNKNOWN]: The wrestling journalists are never going to feel comfortable enough to go to the company with that.
[UNKNOWN]: And the company is never going to give you any information that are very rarely.
[UNKNOWN]: Very rarely.
[UNKNOWN]: And if they do, you always have to say, well, you know, why am I getting to see, you know, you always have to see, you know, you always have to see.
[UNKNOWN]: And in this case, the reporters who have attempted to verify and debunk have debunked a lot of Yes, Jacob had to say, but the only reason they got any information is because all of this alleged stuff was out there.
[UNKNOWN]: So the company is kind of responding from that sample.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're fine different than ask it, then cold calling them saying, hey, where's CM Punk?
[UNKNOWN]: That's where you might get no sold by the PR rep that you deal with or the communications rep that you deal with or even some of the sources that you might deal with that are less official, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But because this stuff is out there, they're more inclined to respond now.
[UNKNOWN]: And I want to say that that's kind of Jacob's point.
[UNKNOWN]: as he wrote today and as he's talked about with people including me, he wants to push the wrestling media to be more proactive in looking into these things and his stance is even if that means
[UNKNOWN]: me throwing my hands up saying fuck it I'm just going to tell the world all of these things that I hear that I don't always necessarily talk about publicly because what's the difference I don't have anything to lose my name's not on it and you know I can disappear and he didn't say that part but that's the reality of it and and
[UNKNOWN]: it worked because he had everybody looking into this over the last 24 hours.
[UNKNOWN]: So you say whatever you want about him and whether you think that you could think that that's fucked up, you could think that that's not the right way to do things, but his point of this is nonsense, why isn't anybody even looking into or discussing
[UNKNOWN]: YCM Punk is an on TV and maybe it is nothing but maybe it is something.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to poke the hornets nest.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to put what I heard out there and I will be completely honest with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard some of the same things over the last couple of weeks.
[UNKNOWN]: But as I talk about all the time on this show, I'm not saying that to play the I know something you don't know game and I think our listeners know that.
[UNKNOWN]: They know that we don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But as I talk about all the time on this show, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: We, you and I, talk to people, our friends, people in wrestling, people around wrestling and shoot the shit and hear things and 90% of it is never going to come to this show because I'm not comfortable coming on here just throwing shit out there that again is unverified.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's always the right thing to do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think most of the time that's not the right thing to do.
[UNKNOWN]: So shit, we keep shit to ourselves and then if it's proven true or it relates to another
[UNKNOWN]: Then you can weave it into what you do publicly, but at the same time, I don't think, well actually before I go down that road.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you stand on the idea of, okay, here's this almost on buddgment of sorts, who's frustrated with the wrestling media landscape, sort of forcing them to do their jobs more intensely and put more effort into the things they're looking into by putting unverified rumors out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that's bullshit?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's the key in the ass that wrestling media needs.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the kick-in-the-ass wrestling needs because to our exact point, fight-full PW insider, all these places are looking into it, talking about it, asking the people, WWE reps are getting involved, like WWE sources are getting involved, that's what you want, that's a healthy reporting industry, that's a healthy
[UNKNOWN]: industry that does not just simply say oh I'm sure you know I'm sure there's a good reason or whatever what's the reason let's find out let's dig into this let's actually uncover this let's shine a light on it I mean that that's what real journalism is real journalism is okay here's this thing that smells a little funny
[UNKNOWN]: What's going on let me find out what's going on instead of you know what what typically so much of the wrestling media these days and so much of wrestling news and stuff is very reactionary Okay, the WWE PR rep told me this so now we're gonna report this it's very rarely now what's going on with
[UNKNOWN]: why is this the case?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is this happening?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is this not happening?
[UNKNOWN]: Where is this person?
[UNKNOWN]: It's rarely that because people like the wrestling media in a lot of times don't feel comfortable asking those questions.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, oh, it's none of my business or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I shouldn't ask that question.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, you know, the prep bigger thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fucking ridiculous that we don't know what the hell happened.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Tony's allowed to just say, oh, I don't have, I don't have any creative for, I, you know, I'd love to have, I'd love to, I'd love to, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to have, I'd love to
[UNKNOWN]: We've we've cultivated an industry that feels bad asking about that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not of my business.
[UNKNOWN]: It goes back to the Fuck many many years ago now the the Kylie Ray thing remember it was like, oh, don't ask about that.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't figure out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, hold on a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Was there something to be a scandal here right there could be something massive here and no one could be a scandal We're not digging in because it's like we have this abstract idea of having to protect people's privacy But there could be a scandal of foot and I'm not saying that there was let's please not do that again.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh God, but it's a surprise now, please
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, I was screaming from the rooftops to other media people who were telling me I was wrong that No, it needs to be left alone because she asked that it be like, no wrong there could be a massive scandal that this brand new wrestling company is a part of You don't just You know, I had people say, oh, what do you get a dig through a garbage?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like you're so missing the point
[UNKNOWN]: You're so missing the fucking point like we never wrestling media almost never behaves like real media And that's what's so frustrating.
[UNKNOWN]: So now you have just this this amateur scoops their kind of and you're behind that of But here's the thing that's dangerous and it opens it up to other people just throwing unverified shit out there and it opens up a whole can of worms From that standpoint, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I do want to say this
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think in every case, it's completely out of pocket to talk about unverified rumors.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you a recent example from us, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I just went on a flagship plus and told everybody what I have heard about the future of Shune Skywalker.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I heard through industry rumblings from people I know,
[UNKNOWN]: that he's likely on his way to New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have that verified, not from Shun Skywalker, not from, I didn't talk to anybody from New Japan about that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the industry rumblings that made their way to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the open-the-voice gay guys, same thing, 12 hours later when they put their show out, they heard the same information that he's very likely headed to New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Is any of that verified?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that's irresponsible or out of pocket to talk about that publicly because to me, that's akin to there being an NFL free agent and Adam Shefter saying, oh, I hear the Steelers are in on so-and-so.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not that big a deal, like, you know, and if he doesn't end up in New Japan, he doesn't end up in New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: But right now, people are talking in the industry, not fans, saying that they think he's on his way to New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a good example of something that's just a rumor,
[UNKNOWN]: That's just something that I can't verify, but I was comfortable with sharing that with my audience.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a million and one other things that I hear on a weekly basis that I would never go public with because it would be reckless.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you another good example, and I'm not going to give you the specifics of it.
[UNKNOWN]: A couple of weeks ago, somebody involved in pro wrestling came to me with a piece of information about a female talent in a major league promotion who hadn't been on TV in a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: And they gave me this nugget, this rumored that was floating around as to why.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was very obviously incorrect because she wrestled on TV the next week.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're picking up what I'm laying down.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: have never gone on air with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have never, and those, and that's another good example of the kinds of things that I hear all the time that I would never talk about, because it's not responsible to talk about some things for public consumption when they're just legitimately rumors that can't be confirmed.
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of time I'm never going to look into.
[UNKNOWN]: The things that I hear.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so it's not getting along with this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this guy might be leaving this pro.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this indie's not getting along with it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, you hear that shit too all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and it's like this one just happened to involve one of the biggest stars in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: And...
[UNKNOWN]: I guess what I'm trying to record.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, sometimes those things don't pass the smell test, too.
[UNKNOWN]: And someone on our chat room has a good point.
[UNKNOWN]: So, isn't this issue somewhat self-regulating?
[UNKNOWN]: If people prove to be untrustworthy, they won't be listened to.
[UNKNOWN]: The only reason this has made a splash is because Jacob has form.
[UNKNOWN]: And Jacob has gotten some things right in the past and has had, you know, pretty, seems like pretty good sources.
[UNKNOWN]: And to your point, like,
[UNKNOWN]: certain things you hear if it's from someone that you trust and is pretty noteworthy and you feel like okay then yeah even if it's an unsubstantiated rumor I trust that person a lot and if they tell me this I tend to believe that there is no reason that they're lying to me they have really lied to me in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand why they relied on me in this specific situation, so sometimes you can go with the rumor like that.
[UNKNOWN]: If you hear it from somebody that you trust, that's been, that's been, you know, trustworthy in the past and that it makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: If you connect the dots, you go, okay, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I will go with that even though it's an unsubstantiated rumor, that's a little different than, because sometimes you hear stuff and you're like, that doesn't pass the smell test.
[UNKNOWN]: That's these ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you sure?
[UNKNOWN]: That's like, well, that's what I'm hearing and it's like, I don't know, I'm not just gonna, I'm just gonna forget that and move on, because
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't sound right.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't pass my smell test and the person giving it to you a lot of times is like, I don't know, I just kind of, that's why I'm hearing it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's just those are the kind of things that you never pass along.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, unless there's something innocuous like, oh, I think so and so who's a free agent might end up here.
[UNKNOWN]: That's no big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: Things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a tough time.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes on those crazy ones or on my glasses sound, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And usually I'll follow up and somebody else goes, no, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: I go, yeah, okay, I didn't think something there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's yet.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I never, I kind of don't follow up again, because it was ridiculous to me in the first place.
[UNKNOWN]: And a couple people I asked, kind of laughed and said, no, that's ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: And I go, okay, yeah, that I thought that was ridiculous to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, move on.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Jacob's basic point is like, if I'm hearing these things, I know that the actual reporters are hearing them.
[UNKNOWN]: So why has there, why has no one anywhere discussed by CM Punk hasn't been on TV when he said he was going to be on TV?
[UNKNOWN]: Why hasn't anybody discussed it?
[UNKNOWN]: Why did it take me putting out unverified rumors?
[UNKNOWN]: to get reporters to confirm that he's gonna be on raw next week or whatever the date is because there's now he's gonna be on raw on the second or something is the second on Monday.
[UNKNOWN]: Some July or the seventh, I think it's the seventh or something like that, whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: He's coming back to whatever, you know, but and he's not wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, like everything that came out today.
[UNKNOWN]: from all of the various people who, you know, looked into this to verify in the bunk, they wouldn't have done that if he didn't do his little, you know, discord podcast and so he's right.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and, and, and me.
[UNKNOWN]: No, today was an important day.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that are this week was an important week for wrestling journalism.
[UNKNOWN]: I think because it, it, it shows that
[UNKNOWN]: You just kind of, sometimes we might have to start rallying some cages around here and just start, you know, kind of getting the kick in the ass.
[UNKNOWN]: And like I said, less of this reactionary stuff and a little bit more, you know, being proactive.
[UNKNOWN]: Saying, well, this is weird.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to ask her.
[UNKNOWN]: This is because, like I said, so much of it feels like until a wrestler tells you something or the PR from a company tells you something people don't report it.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a lot of things that could get asked and get dug into, that it feels like they just don't because it's hard to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the hard part of journalism is asking tough questions and getting answers to things that don't have answers.
[UNKNOWN]: But if it doesn't smell right, it doesn't look right.
[UNKNOWN]: The CM Punk thing for God's sake, so everybody's been saying, well, this is getting weird and we, and as the weeks had moved on, it had started to get a little tough to ignore the last couple of weeks and it's like, okay, where the fuck is this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Where is he?
[UNKNOWN]: That's when I started hearing things.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when people would start saying things like I heard this about punk.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard this about punk.
[UNKNOWN]: And then full disclosure yesterday, Jay Cup reached out to me and said, Oh, here's I heard about punk.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you heard anything?
[UNKNOWN]: And then So, you know, before he had done his podcast or any of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it's like this stuff has been floating around because it's punk and because he said he was gonna not go on a vacation
[UNKNOWN]: And because he hasn't been around, it opens it up to that speculation.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes, regular speculation.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes things that aren't true.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes things that might be some smoke to the fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes things that might actually be true.
[UNKNOWN]: On this one, no one's been able to really verify any of it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know that on the figure four website yesterday, one, that mess of a front page, which very clearly is not being owned, operated or ran by Brian or Dave,
[UNKNOWN]: They aggregated the Jacob thing and somebody told him to take it down.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether it was Dave or Brian or someone because then they then edited that article to say, hey, look, this was just a bunch of Reckless speculation unverified information.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if that was Dave finally putting his foot down and not wanting his name attached to some bullshit on the front page Whether that was Brian who was proactive in doing that, but
[UNKNOWN]: that aggregation.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a good example of a media entity that decided Jacob is worthy of aggregation, but then someone else higher on the chain saying, no, he's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a random person.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're making the editorial decision of we are not aggregating this random Twitter account whereas
[UNKNOWN]: Fightful made the decision to do a podcast built around it.
[UNKNOWN]: We made the decision to open up bar podcast, talking about this, even though we're attacking it from a very different angle.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not even talking about the specifics of the, we could do that if you want.
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of, I don't know, I find the rumors themselves to be less interesting than this.
[UNKNOWN]: Or what if you want to say it?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if they're just rumors, I mean, how are you going to respond?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how can I, I can't believe.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not not necessarily verifying them, but we're giving them right now.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just unsubstantiated.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't say that.
[UNKNOWN]: We're unsubstantiated rumors.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's just no reason for me to for you to say, yeah, I can't believe double of you would ask punk to take a pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: That's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we can't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's that's we're just.
[UNKNOWN]: We're reacting to the rumors that are out there, but we can't react to the actual content of the rumors, because that's ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we don't know that any of that is true or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So that'd be silly for you and I to have a discussion about TKO, and if they asked the impunk to take a pay cut and is that fair or whatever?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm not doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, see, yesterday initially when it all came out and then when I saw that
[UNKNOWN]: fight full was going to do a podcast on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I said to myself, well, okay, if somebody else has broken the seal on this stuff, then now it's okay for me to talk about it because it's out there.
[UNKNOWN]: So what am I?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm no longer being irresponsible because now I'm talking about rumors that someone else put out there.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: And, but then today, I'm sitting here thinking about it and I'm like, I don't know if that's the more interesting way to approach this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the
[UNKNOWN]: macro part of this and I think a lot of times in wrestling with the few legitimate entities news entities that we have wrestling is also very unique in that because it's such a k-faved business historically and such a close society so to speak fans are very distrustful of wrestling media and fans love the pounce
[UNKNOWN]: when wrestling media people are wrong about something.
[UNKNOWN]: Just look at the abuse that Dave Meltzer takes on a daily basis, look at the abuse that Sean Ross Zap takes on a daily basis.
[UNKNOWN]: On a much smaller scale, look at the abuse that we have taken, even when we've gotten things right by people saying that we're wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: And people still applying stories to us that we never reported, claiming that we were, I mean, it's hard and it can weigh on you.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think a lot of times, and I'm not saying that necessarily anybody's right for this, there's your gunshot because you're so scared of getting something wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: You're so scared of knowing something, but then it changing.
[UNKNOWN]: And then looking like you were wrong or you were making it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Because wrestling fans, the way they consume wrestling media, is from a position of mistrust.
[UNKNOWN]: It's from a position of, you guys are carnies, you're just as full as shit as the people in the business.
[UNKNOWN]: You make things up.
[UNKNOWN]: Dave Meltzer gets told he just makes things up out of thin air every day.
[UNKNOWN]: Sean Ross sap gets told that he's in the pockets of both companies every day.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyone who has ever reported wrestling news at some point has been told, you're a liar and you make things up and you have no sources.
[UNKNOWN]: So someone like me, and again, I just discussed this with Damon today, I throw my hands and I'm like, I'm mad at you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to do news.
[UNKNOWN]: It's too exhausting, and I don't need to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: because that's not our primary source of why people are interested in listening to us anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a lot of times where I'll dabble in news from time to time when I get that bug up my ass and I think I have something good then nobody else has.
[UNKNOWN]: But the vast majority of the time, I just throw my hands and then two days later, I'll see somebody else report the thing that I heard that I didn't bother digging into to verify.
[UNKNOWN]: because I don't want the exhaustion of the story changing or the information being somewhat incorrect or not.
[UNKNOWN]: And then dealing with everything that comes with that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I can only imagine the pressure and it's on somebody like Sean Ross App or Dave or whoever else.
[UNKNOWN]: When they know that every little thing that they say is going to be scrutinized and gone through with a fine tooth comb.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, that's what the money's for, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So you can't feel too bad about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, on one hand, I get it, because I've walked in the shoes to some extent, on the other hand, that it should be, again, again, a bigger part of this problem, get the fuck off a social media number one, because then you won't feel that pressure as much.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright.
[UNKNOWN]: Just do your fucking job, just do your fucking job, and stop arguing with reply guys if you're Dave Meltzer, stop getting into Twitter spats every 10 minutes if you're Sean, and then maybe that would alleviate the pressure on everyone to where it's just, I'm just
[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes things are going to be a little inaccurate.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes a story is going to change because I do think in this particular business without nasty the fan base can be and how maybe nasty is not the right word.
[UNKNOWN]: How confrontational the fan base is they're starting from a point of being confrontational when it comes to the media, it naturally can make you gun shy and protective of your image.
[UNKNOWN]: Because,
[UNKNOWN]: fuck man, if Dave or Sean or anyone gets too many stories wrong, that's their fucking livelihood.
[UNKNOWN]: And wrestling fans are much quicker to throw in the towel on wrestling reporters than reporters and other genres are.
[UNKNOWN]: You could be an NFL reporter and get five different free agent scoops wrong and no one fucking cares.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll pick on you a little bit on Twitter, but you're not going to lose your job because, you know, you thought so and so
[UNKNOWN]: because I think people are reasonable enough to understand that people change their minds.
[UNKNOWN]: In wrestling, you'd get accused of lying.
[UNKNOWN]: You'd get accused of making it up, pulling that thin air.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's not me defending the wrestling medium in some ways where I do think that they should dig deeper and try harder to get news, but there's also that relationship that you wanna maintain with the promotions and the relationships you wanna maintain with your sources and all of those things
[UNKNOWN]: So that makes it so hard and I think that's one of the big issues that we're always going to run into with pro wrestling is the companies are under no obligation to aid the media in any way and help the media in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we've seen obviously don't it be very good.
[UNKNOWN]: in recent years not as good recently they were going a couple years ago if they've kind of lost a little bit of this ability being very good at getting ahead of stories and getting ahead of the media and sending out certain things and making sure that they were proactive they you know and so the report is being proactive it was the company being proactive
[UNKNOWN]: for all those many years and getting these things out in this legental activity that we were talking about for years and years and years and that's that's cool down a lot recently and and you could shock it up to people being more aware of it or the fact that you know new people have been in in positions in that company whatever it might be but that used to be a big thing is that the company would sort of use the media for their own purposes and own uses and then that's fine that that that happened that that knows i i got we've never criticized already for doing that that is
[UNKNOWN]: as many secondary sources as you would have in sports.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's one of the things that helps sports out a lot is that agents get involved in a lot of these things as well because it be who's agents to get information out there about contracts and negotiations and trades and all sort of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: You have that middleman.
[UNKNOWN]: the agent and agent sees or whatever act kind of as the middleman between the league and the players and they, you know, and they'll put out stuff too that it's, you know, very beneficial to the players and, and we'll help the players in the negotiations or whatever, but then you can also leverage that back to the team and to the team's PR and, and there's that push poll and I think a lot of that comes from having those middlemen of the agents of the agencies.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't necessarily have that too much in wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: You have a couple guys here and there that go through agents.
[UNKNOWN]: And, but they're not like, they're not as prolific as sports agents are.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that is where you get a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: of your scoops and your news and your reporting and in real sports, tends to be agents or people kind of on the periphery that have access to all this information that have direct access to the direct sources, but are willing to talk to the media because it helps them in some cases too.
[UNKNOWN]: It helps them to get those reporting out there.
[UNKNOWN]: With wrestling, it's just you have the wrestlers and the wrestling companies and that's about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And the wrestlers are, as you said, are naturally distrustful to the wrestling media.
[UNKNOWN]: There are several wrestlers out there that understand the benefit of the wrestling media.
[UNKNOWN]: I will point to Killer Cross who is a fantastic at leveraging the wrestling media to get
[UNKNOWN]: his name and in the news as much as humanly possible and make himself out to be a bigger star than he actually is.
[UNKNOWN]: But a lot of wrestlers just don't trust the media or just kind of think it's stupid and won't give any information or or or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And the companies very rarely will give you real information or real you don't real discussions.
[UNKNOWN]: They feel they're at absolutely no obligation to set the record straight to get clear give you cleared in information.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't
[UNKNOWN]: The San Antonio spurs could not simply cross their arms and say, when he's not here, don't ask anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Why he's not here?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that just wouldn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, respect the privacy.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, respect the privacy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, some extent, maybe, but it's like, we're gonna try to find out why this guy isn't playing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or the league would say, like, okay, you guys got it, like, why is he not here?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, well, like, if it's, whatever it is, you gotta just say it, or, or, or what, it's gotta be something.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to give us something here.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't just say, well, don't worry about it, don't ask.
[UNKNOWN]: Particularly if it potentially is the cause of it is due to a scandal.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the thing, like not because he has some private matter he's dealing with with his family, that's something that might not be poked and prodded at.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though you would find you would know at minimum, he's having a problem with his, he's having an issue with his family.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a private matter.
[UNKNOWN]: You would know that and normal people would be satisfied with that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But if Victor Wembignama wasn't playing with the spurs, because there was some massive scandal that may involve the team and him, the please respect our privacy on this isn't going to fly.
[UNKNOWN]: And people are going to do investigative journalism and try to find out.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're not going to be shouted down the way I was when I was just saying, hey, shouldn't we be looking into this highly erasing a little harder?
[UNKNOWN]: There could be a massive story here.
[UNKNOWN]: Or there could be nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: But we have to find out either way.
[UNKNOWN]: right it's like so that's kind of the difference there you know that we should make this point to isn't by sort of people looking into what Jacob had to say isn't that essentially everyone co-signing his credibility yes because you must feel he has credibility on some level if you're going to acknowledge the rumors and then do the work to attempt to verify them right
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, people say things on Twitter all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see major wrestling sites bending over backwards to acknowledge just random statements made by random people.
[UNKNOWN]: So, in a way, this almost elevates him by acknowledging him, you're elevating him to your level.
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly what we're doing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Fightful did earlier today with Alba and Sap because otherwise you just know Sele.
[UNKNOWN]: which was kind of my original question, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's like, what do you do to you acknowledge it?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if you do acknowledge it, then you're essentially rubber stamping him as someone who you agree to some extent must be in the know, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or that they're, you know, what this tells me, the reaction today is two things.
[UNKNOWN]: And either tells me that they do believe that Jacob has decent sources and respects his information or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: there's something going on here you know what I mean and there's there there's you know we've we've we've uncovered the light a little bit we've we've shine a light you know we've we've pulled up the the carpet and we're you know what I mean like I think for people looking into it like you said it was similar to what you talked about and and Jacob kind of reference to
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm here in this, you've probably been hearing this too over the last couple weeks.
[UNKNOWN]: So you know what, I'm just going to go out there and I'm just going to say it.
[UNKNOWN]: And now the onus is on you guys to sort of say, okay, it's probably time for us to look into this punk thing a little bit more.
[UNKNOWN]: It's time for us to really find out what's going on with this punk thing and for, you know, there would be sources to get at it right away and to go to this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of my point.
[UNKNOWN]: They're acknowledging that there was smoke to the fire, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's one or two that they've truly, really, really, really respects J. Cups reporting.
[UNKNOWN]: there is smoke to this fire and that's why you know they've heard at least 10 gently because yeah this if this was if I had said all this guy did this or whatever and people just said no that's bullshit I haven't heard that nobody would respond you know if if if I just or if they said oh I talked to Sam punk last week he doesn't have any problems with the company we just get ignored yeah exactly but it didn't get ignored it got immediately discussed and and talked about and
[UNKNOWN]: shot down and verified and discussed and just yeah, I think that speaks to two things.
[UNKNOWN]: It speaks yeah, the J comes potential credibility, but also I think more than anything that there is smoke to this fire and that this was kind of the uncovering of it and this was the okay, now it's comfortable to talk about this and now it's comfortable to start asking about it, which we need to do more of and that I guess was J comes overall point is that let's stop protecting the company and stop protecting these wrestlers.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't owe them anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay, like
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but Sean Ross Saps counterpoint to that was he's basically like, look, man, I can't be talking about every unverently like what I just said earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: He's amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't discuss every unverified thing that comes across my desk or that someone whispers to me because that's utterly ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to report on verified information, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But Jacob's point is, yeah, but I don't feel like any of you are digging hard enough on any of these.
[UNKNOWN]: right or there there's something big going on with this specific story and I know that you guys are probably hearing about it so let's just let's let's let's rip the fucking bandade off and let's start doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and again, no matter what you think of his methods, no matter what you think of him remaining anonymous, no matter what you think of his, you know, whatever credibility you think he does or doesn't have, what he set out to achieve he achieved over the last 24 hours.
[UNKNOWN]: It worked.
[UNKNOWN]: It became the biggest story in wrestling because legitimate wrestling media
[UNKNOWN]: dug in and discussed it and verified and debunked and did all of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: And if none of that happened, it just would have been another Twitter space or discord, whatever discord calls their version of space that went into the ether that, you know, a hundred people were privy to.
[UNKNOWN]: But that isn't what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't outplay it out.
[UNKNOWN]: So he achieved his goal.
[UNKNOWN]: The question is, is that something that's in you would you think it's something that's needed?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're on board with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think now again, there's there's a level to this.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need every single person to just, you know, be out there and say, I heard that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This person's sleeping with this person.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why they've been depushed.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like talk about this.
[UNKNOWN]: And now the media is obligated to react into everything that comes on Twitter.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what a particular story was was goofy for a while and got too goofy And that was my point, too, is that because this thing got so out of hand and And something might say who cares.
[UNKNOWN]: The empunk was gone for a little while.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the guy said I'm not going away And then he was gone and it's the empunk.
[UNKNOWN]: So no, there's you know, it's worth looking into a little bit further That's why I don't think that every single I'm some some some substantiated rumor needs to get talked about and discuss I don't think if some yeah some Twitter guy says yeah, I heard that this
[UNKNOWN]: She's sleeping with this guy and that's why she's winning the title look into this find out about this Like I don't want that nobody needs that nobody wants that but I think if there's a situation that like this Like Brick Baker that's a great that's a great example on the other side
[UNKNOWN]: Where the fuck's with like we need some answer there.
[UNKNOWN]: We need something Tony can't just say oh she's incredible and I love her work and she's great and it's like okay Well, then we're the fuck is she like there are certain things that have been in the W all the time too that it's like okay Well, you know hangman page he was written off so I'm not I'm not curious about where's hangman page He was written off of television.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't just before with him
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's like, I don't, I don't need someone to look into what's going on with hanging on pages hanging on pages leaving.
[UNKNOWN]: Is he going to code it?
[UNKNOWN]: WWE?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need to do that because I know why the guy got written off TV.
[UNKNOWN]: So although you could, are though you could argue a good reporter would poke around on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a matter of just looking for things you think might be salacious.
[UNKNOWN]: You shouldn't really be looking into everything, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: If something smells a little funny, then it's worth looking into and the CM Punk thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's, it's been smelling funny for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was time for people to start reporting it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess everybody was just too, you know, too careful about it and too care.
[UNKNOWN]: So you got to rip the fucking bed it off and Jay Cup to his credit did.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we have Fightful Select saying quote, nobody in WWE among the dozens Fightful Select has spoken to has heard that punk wanted out of his WWE contracts.
[UNKNOWN]: And no talent we heard from believed he was asked to take a pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: One source we spoke to says he has a story coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: with new merch being produced and dates planned for the summer on the flipside PW inside of Mike Johnson says over the last several days there have been lots of unverified claims on social media of CM Punk stories that at all point to an alleged issues between he and WWE and or punk asking for a WWE release in speaking with a trusted WWE source today.
[UNKNOWN]: They're only comment was it has as much truth to it as the stories that claimed Saudi Arabia bought us years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll go back to that aside.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to circle back to that in a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they were not aware of why punk has been off television.
[UNKNOWN]: The source noted there is new merchandise being put together and punk appearances are set for the summer.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is as they would say much ado about nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Now here's a question Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you ask?
[UNKNOWN]: Why, well, you're not aware of why punk's been, I'll tell you like, I, I find it weird that he was just like, well, they weren't aware of why it was not television.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just move on.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not much to do about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he's going to be, we, we know he's going to be back.
[UNKNOWN]: So naturally, where my mind goes is, okay, Mike Johnson and Tromble Sap got the same answer out of maybe the same person.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Merch being from Merch being produced being the, the first he'll be back.
[UNKNOWN]: And Merch is coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: So that sounds pretty solid to me when two reporters get the same story when they're chasing the same story here.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, where my antennas go up is the person doesn't know why punk hasn't been on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, you could talk about things being mutually exclusive.
[UNKNOWN]: do we know there wasn't a dispute between punk and WWE and that he's he could be coming back to TV and also had a dispute right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that that that I was that was going to be I wrote out of my notes is that just because he's coming back to TV doesn't mean that you know the alleged like there's lawyers getting involved we don't know that that wasn't the case we don't know the punk said fuck you in this company I'm out of here and that was that happened at a point
[UNKNOWN]: But in the in the weeks that has followed, it's it's died down a little bit and it's like, okay, okay, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, here's ears are new contract.
[UNKNOWN]: You are renegotiate.
[UNKNOWN]: He could have renegotiated his deal.
[UNKNOWN]: He could have been asked to take a pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: He could have said, fuck, you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not taking the pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: And he could still be coming back just because he has merch being put together and plans for the summer doesn't mean and none of that was ever, that was never discussed really.
[UNKNOWN]: But my Johnson didn't really, his report didn't say any of that, but Sean's dead, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess from that standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's Sean says nobody in WWE among the dozens we spoke to has heard the punk wanted out of his WWE contracts, and no talent we heard from believe he was asked to take a pay cut.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so leg work was done, but again, would it have ever gotten done without Jacob?
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of Jacob's overwriting point.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably not.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, whether you think Jay Cup is just making things up out of thin air or, you know, just being reckless in all the wrong ways for passing on things that he heard, but it achieved his goal.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he feels, from his perspective, that nobody really works hard enough on this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, somewhat from the angle of, well, they're, you know, because these entities
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so I don't know, they, they all dug in today, which in a weird way, you're encouraging if you're annoyed.
[UNKNOWN]: by him doing, encouraging him to do it again.
[UNKNOWN]: You've been able to.
[UNKNOWN]: You've been able to, by looking into this, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You have been able to, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, should your concern, Sean Ross' apps concern, you'll use him as the example, should his concern strictly be his audience.
[UNKNOWN]: And if his audience is interested in what this guy had to say, isn't that Sean's duty to satisfy his audience
[UNKNOWN]: And there need to know whether what this guy is saying is true or not.
[UNKNOWN]: You could also approach it from that standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: You could also approach it from the standpoint of, do some of these reporters see it as an opportunity to easily debunk something and make themselves come across to the audience or to a new audience or their own audience.
[UNKNOWN]: as someone who's truly in the know.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, this was nonsense, and I'm going to tell you why.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it could also be self-serving.
[UNKNOWN]: It can be in service to your audience.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot that plays into this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great story.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad it happened.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fun to talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a fun to dive in and dig it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm curious.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Meltzer said anything about this story.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, other than shutting down the front page, which clearly somebody said,
[UNKNOWN]: This doesn't, you know, they put it out there.
[UNKNOWN]: But someone said, no, that doesn't meet my standard.
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't know who that is.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know whether that was Dave Brian, someone else who, you know, who else is involved.
[UNKNOWN]: Josh Nason is willing to involve there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he dropped his podcast, but I think he's still involved in this talk about, you know, or maybe someone on the new owner, whoever owns the front page now, maybe whoever, somebody made a decision of, hey, look, this is probably not something we want to, the aggregating, because not a real entity, it's just a guy.
[UNKNOWN]: although it appears as though Jacob is starting to build out something, he's got his own discord, you know, so I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you feel about someone not putting their name on things?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it does make it like you don't really have real skin in the game if you're not putting your name on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't love it because there was a while in NBA circles and he has since given his real name, but network, remember network with a three,
[UNKNOWN]: Jason conception, I think he ended up at the ringer and a couple other places, but he used to He used to have some stuff like in the NBA, but it would be like third network with a three and I was like, oh, come on Yeah, I got it like if we're gonna report this stuff and this guy's gonna be taken seriously as any sort of reporter We can't have people say, well, I've heard from network with a three that like That you know, I know we need that I think at a certain point
[UNKNOWN]: I think at certain point you're going to have to put a name to it or some sort of some sort of skin in the game and I think making and I've told this to Jacob too and I know that he has taken it to Ark, because that's why that blocks back I created.
[UNKNOWN]: I told you, you got to do more than just Twitter man.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't just be a Twitter and message board guy.
[UNKNOWN]: If you got information, put it in a place where you're making money for yourself or you're getting yourself over or people are going to you don't make money for Elon Musk, don't make money for, you know, the F4W border, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: make your own thing like send people to you like send people to you make you the the the the source of this stuff not a second hand source on another person's website like so i i i think he's made waves that way but i do think at a certain point if you're going to be respected i think as as any sort of journalist or any any sort of reporter you do have to i don't know that necessarily we need to know his you know home address and social security number but i do think
[UNKNOWN]: we can't just have jacub 2013 be the person that we because it makes it a little too easy to hide when things go bad or if you get too many things wrong, you know, in a row or whatever and maybe to your point that's a feature not a bug that you could just disappear one day and go, all right, well, I'm out by it and some of these other guys can't, you know, some of these other wrestling reporters can't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a new statement from Mike Johnson, you want to hear this?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh God, yeah, I'd love to.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like it's absolutely related to this.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Quote.
[UNKNOWN]: The amount of pro wrestling stupidity lately is at a level so bad that even for me I'm ready to tap.
[UNKNOWN]: I have never seen such a stream of utter trash as people just churn out shit on social media platforms.
[UNKNOWN]: Then when you ignore it, readers ask why you were ignoring something that is complete trash and if you do address it, the responses are you must be protecting someone.
[UNKNOWN]: And quote, that's not the whole statement, but I want to address that's kind of what I just that's the last hour of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: It wrapped up in Mike Johnson quote right there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like he feels obligated because his audience is asking him to address this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So what do you do if you're Mike Johnson?
[UNKNOWN]: If you were like he's saying, if I ignore it, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm co-signing what what he sees as just trash as just garbage that has no validity to it.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's kind of the push pulled that I was just talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I'll get back to the rest of his quote.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you want us to say something.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, one thing I was going to say is, and I think that's where that information void comes in is that if you don't allow there to be these weird things that go on forever and ever and ever, then there's less of the, less of the ability for reckless speculation to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: If Mike Johnson looked into why CM Punk's been off TV four weeks ago and had, you know, had said, look, I've been looking into it and I've been given no information of why CM Punk's off TV.
[UNKNOWN]: The last I heard is that merchandise is being made for him.
[UNKNOWN]: still he has an appear on TV, you know, since he said after the RAW WrestleMania that he wasn't going to be there, so we're still looking into this, it's, you know, there's ways to kind of fill that information void, but the radio silence on something like this allows for the record of speculation.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, I think this is where if someone like Mike Johnson is looking at this and going, well, this is annoying.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what you can do is you can fill that gap by being more proactive about stories that are going to, that are weird and funky and don't smell right, looking to them, get ahead of the game and don't just sit there and wait for regular speculation to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And then say, this is ridiculous, you want me to report on regular speculation, and it's like, it shouldn't have gotten to this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: you could have found out why punk was missing from TV right right and even if you put on paper and even if you get nothing even if you get stonewalled and they say don't ask and there's not going on you can report that too I asked why I asked why CM punk is going off TV for the last two months and I was told there's nothing new happening and he'll be back sometime in the summer and there's new merch being made for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then that didn't end it then you know if someone says oh, what about this Jacob speculation you can point to the reporting you did four weeks ago You said why ask them four weeks ago, and this is the story they said so by allowing these things to fester you're kind of doing this to yourself I think that one thing that I have to stress is reporting isn't about magically getting some scoop
[UNKNOWN]: Reporting can also be I asked and this is what they told me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I followed up and they didn't respond.
[UNKNOWN]: That's reporting to it's not strictly when you have a scoop.
[UNKNOWN]: you know what I mean what is done any sort of journalism knows that if you're especially like civic journalism or whatever talking to you know about building like new buildings in a town or whatever you're going to get stone walled constantly but you have to report every single week you know we ask stone wall we ask the board the village you know uh... the the the you know whatever whatever
[UNKNOWN]: Would you live in a city living or whatever the the manager or the mayor or whatever it might be you know What's going on with this project?
[UNKNOWN]: We you know We know comment or he once again.
[UNKNOWN]: We were told no comment or whatever That's fine, but that's still reporting.
[UNKNOWN]: That's still new The fact that you didn't get a comment.
[UNKNOWN]: We always say that a non-answer is an answer But you don't get that unless you ask somebody you know the some of the best Answers we've gotten from Tony Con or Paul Ovec on these these conference calls have been non-answered because a non-answer is an answer
[UNKNOWN]: But you don't get that if you don't ask it and instead you ask okay when you're coming back to Dallas or whatever and then you get nothing and then you'll get nothing so now yeah you you I think you're right there there is a certain
[UNKNOWN]: pressure to every single time I do any reporting, I have to get something out of it and it can't simply be.
[UNKNOWN]: I asked and I was told nothing is is going to happen, but you're afraid you're afraid you're going to look feckless as a reporter right?
[UNKNOWN]: And especially in wrestling, oh, I'm going to look like someone who can't get the scoops.
[UNKNOWN]: If I say that thing, you don't what I mean, but but that that's still reporting if you're if you're anyway, he goes on.
[UNKNOWN]: Go.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything is backwards now.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes very little sense to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I work hard to break news that is stolen by others immediately on social media or in their daily reports.
[UNKNOWN]: In the same order I report it over the course of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I have thousands of kids who I get to feed the expensive actually, making more money doing what I've invested decades into working on.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel very, very old and almost as if I'm at...
[UNKNOWN]: I botched that.
[UNKNOWN]: Hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel very, very old and almost as if I am handicapped at doing my job because I actually have morals, attempt to confirm my stories and actually try to have respectful relationships with the subjects I report about.
[UNKNOWN]: As opposed to just spewing trash and trying to score a cloud in traffic on monetized social media sites that have free reign to do whatever they want to make their pennies.
[UNKNOWN]: All that makes me shake my head, so if you feel the same way I do,
[UNKNOWN]: Here comes the commercial.
[UNKNOWN]: Go sub to our elite section and make me feel like not all is lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Or don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm turning off my phone and going to a movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait to see what shit is online when I get home.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe someone has disappeared from TNA because they have mysterious heat because they stole a cat from the nursery with Colonel Mustard's Kendo stick.
[UNKNOWN]: And then an all-capsi writes, fuck these people.
[UNKNOWN]: And quote, wow, Mike's mass.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what they're like turn that phone off and don't turn it back on don't turn it back on he generally doesn't to be fair right wake up the next Post your shit on the elite and never ever look at that phone ever again.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to
[UNKNOWN]: We have our criticisms of Mike Johnson, that are very, very public.
[UNKNOWN]: But the one thing that we also always say about Mike Johnson is he just does, he does not exist on social media.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's the smartest of them all for that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, here's the news, poof, I'm gone.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess he does explode like this every now and then.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm sure today was very frustrating for him.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, because he's feeling this push-pulled that I'm talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: when I'd like to know though is all of this alleged news he's reporting every day that's getting stolen and putting under the people's sights.
[UNKNOWN]: He reports like one scoop of money.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he gets nothing, yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I always ask this.
[UNKNOWN]: What's going on behind their paywalls?
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like a, a, a, a, a, a maven of fucking scoops that people don't know about because I feel like about once a month he drops a bomb.
[UNKNOWN]: That's very useful and generally accurate.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you don't hear from him again for another, like, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,
[UNKNOWN]: the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a go-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to
[UNKNOWN]: everything that he reports gets aggregated immediately and passed around immediately and and I could see him being frustrated about that more so than anybody but my child that's like he's report two things.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean Dave too for for years Friday was the big day on the new sites because they were just lifted everything from the observed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember that was that way for what?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're the longest time.
[UNKNOWN]: You know people like Roger Geary made a fortune just lifting the foot and now he the best you have Dave missed an observer week or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like first off you'd get like they did it because they didn't they didn't actually like follow Dave all that much or follow the
[UNKNOWN]: They would just wait till Friday and grab the observant copy and paste their whatever so like they didn't know Like he'd be gone in Hawaii and people were like, uh, hey, what's going on with the observant this way?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, you'd see them get all like nervous and weird and that day would just be death And then they would have to come up like, no news on the new side is right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, what happened guys?
[UNKNOWN]: Like no news
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, if there was no observe, yeah, or if the observer was late or something, but, but yeah, I've always wondered what goes on on PWInsider.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like one big new story a week from Mike from Mike Johnson, and then Dave Sharer writing email questions to himself.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like, the only thing that's what goes on over there.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like, Dave, you have the rim behind.
[UNKNOWN]: Man of a runaway trade.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you?
[UNKNOWN]: How are you so good?
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: We should bite or just or just Dave, I'm hearing these like something where he hope that opens him up to be able to bash Meltsor.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a lot of fun to answer my questions.
[UNKNOWN]: and then just pat my soul on the back of him.
[UNKNOWN]: Always in the same vernacular and syntax that he uses.
[UNKNOWN]: Like so it's obvious too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's always in his style of right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can read the questions and it's like it's all his voice.
[UNKNOWN]: Say it.
[UNKNOWN]: He does a terrible job of telling me to explore this.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't you agree?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Reader.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Then there's a paragraph along as paragraph.
[UNKNOWN]: There's never.
[UNKNOWN]: There's never a citation of who sent it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's never an email, no, no, it's just, you know, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, Mike Johnson is hot about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, right, where, yeah, I mean, I see where Jay Cups coming from.
[UNKNOWN]: At the same time, I genuinely feel like this couldn't happen in any other, maybe just other stupid industries like comics or video games, because I don't know nothing about the industry of those, but yeah, probably video games, I feel like this dumb shit problem.
[UNKNOWN]: And where has a fan you could probably break in and, and, like,
[UNKNOWN]: be credible where like in in politics that's not I guess there's big-time bloggers in politics to that break through right?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess that's a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they're more punished than reporting on news.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be more like Pundantry rather than
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a wrestling as unique in that way.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess that, you know, I think that Mike was gotten to today.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's going to quit.
[UNKNOWN]: But I can, I kind of see where he's coming from where it's, it's, it's, it'll be a choice that movie whenever that movie is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what do you think he saw?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What's up?
[UNKNOWN]: What's at the theaters right now?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to look up.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you going to tomorrow with the nurse?
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: I've gone to the movies today.
[UNKNOWN]: Decades.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go with Fan Dango.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, what was it movie phone?
[UNKNOWN]: What was the big website at the 90 like movie phone wasn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Did you just fan Dango?
[UNKNOWN]: Does that still exist?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Fan Dango does exist.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, movie phone is technically still around.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see Fan Dango.
[UNKNOWN]: What's in theaters right now?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he, man, masters of the universe.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Mike went to go see, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Scary movie.
[UNKNOWN]: The new scary movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he needed a laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I bet Mike needed a laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he went to scary movie.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, unwind a little slap the knee.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, uh, something called pressure.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what this is.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a big theater guy.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe he's went to see something like very up aty.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what about the devil?
[UNKNOWN]: Where's Prada?
[UNKNOWN]: Two.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how there's the breadwinner with Nate Bargays with Bargazzi.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget how to pronounce his name on.
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing movies now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like if there's something with Daniel Day Lewis, that's where Michael Mike Johnson.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, maybe maybe a late showing of Michael.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's trying to get the lie.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't get a chance to go watch Michael.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's going to try to get in there and Michael Michael.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know.
[UNKNOWN]: The Michael Jackson biopic.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the Michael Jackson gimmick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a showing around me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know where it was, Michael.
[UNKNOWN]: New York.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's probably should just go on to the next go on to the next Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: I love fucking I don't think it's sports movies.
[UNKNOWN]: I love the theater.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I don't know if you should get the theater reporting It's probably pretty cool.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a cat's on For the first time every way he put the keyboard he closes last happens.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna go see cats.
[UNKNOWN]: I've had enough of this right.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen the billboards every day of my life for 47 years I'm gonna go fucking see cats.
[UNKNOWN]: Enough of this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe you can finally pick a bullet.
[UNKNOWN]: To go to go see cats.
[UNKNOWN]: Cats run ended on May 11th, 2002.
[UNKNOWN]: So didn't really have no as bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Very apropos reference for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Suggesting he should go see cats.
[UNKNOWN]: See, you didn't grow up in New York.
[UNKNOWN]: Growing up in New Jersey, we would get commercials for the Broadway shows.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would always know what was on Broadway.
[UNKNOWN]: And we had the same fucking commercial for cats for about 17 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this, say like, you're watching, you're just watching like Jerry Springer or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And you'd get the same commercial for cats at the, at the, at the, whatever theater it was at.
[UNKNOWN]: And they would never update it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, you know, you could tell it was filmed in 1982.
[UNKNOWN]: And, but I guess it ended that's run in 2002.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we may have got the same one, because cats had a long run in Chicago as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'd like to, maybe at one point.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you call your theater district, do you have a... Just the theater theater district?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's, it doesn't have a kitchen name, like Broadway.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say, like, what do you call these Chicago?
[UNKNOWN]: I would just call it like the theater district, but let's see it, Google would say here.
[UNKNOWN]: is it by hostage street?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, sort of.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, not on hostage, it's close, close enough.
[UNKNOWN]: That's enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait to visit hostage street Chicago.
[UNKNOWN]: You're just gonna go drive up and down it, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a grid, the city's a grid, so you can just go right down it and...
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, man, look it for the one-man gang.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you're going to find many people that look like one-man gang on Halstead Street.
[UNKNOWN]: Halstead Street, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's a long street, never know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe north.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe the north part of Halstead Street.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you can find a couple.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I want to see the one-man gang.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he nails from.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe having a street fight with somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: Very window.
[UNKNOWN]: He pads over the jeans.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Hawking animal, show up, you never know.
[UNKNOWN]: All the Chicago favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: Christopher Daniels.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not from narrow-riding to the rest of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not, he's not, even though.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell, there's for a lot of time, Chris, for it's my damn question about it, but anyway, that's not what you called.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I think we're, anything else from Johnson or anybody else on this, this punk stuff?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, we should probably talk about some actual wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that segment was very boring to a lot of people, but I think it's an important conversation to have.
[UNKNOWN]: the bigger picture scope of what went on over.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely 24 hours.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I, do you think any of those people are gonna be mad at me like they usually are?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we were very fair here.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, like I said, I'd like to hear what day that's to say, I probably have something to say on the, I'm just a radio this morning, art, art, art.
[UNKNOWN]: He's kind of no sold it.
[UNKNOWN]: He has so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he hasn't really addressed it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what Wade Keller has said about it, probably nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: He kind of exists in his own little universe.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are the OGs, but you know, PW Insider was on it, fightful.
[UNKNOWN]: Dad, that guy that left body slammed is doing his own thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He had some things to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I finish.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that what it's called?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem with that guy is anyone who openly states he wants to work for WWW someday.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, you know, I'm going somewhere else for my news.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's tough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't work for me, brother.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, that's the super genius by the next surging back here.
[UNKNOWN]: There's still down quite a lot there.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like a 25 to a two run or something.
[UNKNOWN]: 15.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 15.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a big run.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, we'll give you live commentary.
[UNKNOWN]: Express written.
[UNKNOWN]: The NBA has given us express written consent to do the, uh, you always said winning your inspirations as Mike and the Mad Dog.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's go Mike here and just go hold on a second.
[UNKNOWN]: Wemby.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I missed it, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I got the rebound.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't technically not play by the waves, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Can't get in trouble.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you'd be so silent about it for so long.
[UNKNOWN]: The best was with the golf.
[UNKNOWN]: They just feel like Mikkelson's stepping up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see what he does.
[UNKNOWN]: If there's like silence for a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, good shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Good shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, this is a big birdie put on because you know tiger surgeon and tiger surgeon.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a big birdie put here this is a big sequence for the spurs.
[UNKNOWN]: They got to fight off this run.
[UNKNOWN]: because you don't want to go into the fourth like with the Nick's cutting it to 12.
[UNKNOWN]: Because that building will be alive.
[UNKNOWN]: The building will be alive, rich.
[UNKNOWN]: It will be awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Real quick, has your friend texted you anything more updates about Taylor Swift?
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's something, okay, she is wearing a shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: They showed her during one of the cuts because they scored and then they went to commercial and like the NFL, you're legally obligated to show Taylor Swift every time she's there.
[UNKNOWN]: She's wearing a shirt that says Stevie Nick's, but Nick's a spell.
[UNKNOWN]: fight like the nicker box.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's how it's spelled, but it's the it's like a double what I call double on Tundra.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Double on Tundra.
[UNKNOWN]: But like what?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're nothing to do with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she probably is a big fan of Steve.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's also at the next get she's cute.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess we're a
[UNKNOWN]: You can call it what we don't you can make it a little tank top or whatever but yeah, we're a fucking Michael Ray Richardson Jersey, you know, come on Patrick, we're a Patrick likes it.
[UNKNOWN]: He likes her fleet with Mac and she wants everyone to know it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, Stevie, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy, Nick Sleedy,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, is is is is Kelsey whether he's a cat.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see him.
[UNKNOWN]: I just saw a lot of ladies.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's a part of our party calves, too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think he's always got some steak in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got some steak in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he bought some stock in the cat.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like 8% or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Not in the same there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that you know what I respect that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, fuck that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a cat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: For the nicks, that's a rival.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a, that's a, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a conference rival.
[UNKNOWN]: You think I would ever like go to a Super Bowl if like the Rams lost the NFC Championship game?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, why?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'd be so- And then where the jersey of the team that knocked you out of the playoffs?
[UNKNOWN]: Right, not a fucking chance.
[UNKNOWN]: So I actually realized that he's not there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess I'll cheer for the Seahawks now.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, I'm gone, please.
[UNKNOWN]: rather shave six months off my life or you can't make sure yeah I don't know I can't confirm or deny the travel but it seemed to be seen a be a a group of ladies there no no travel for him good for him he probably said for a not forget that
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm staying home and watching madmen.
[UNKNOWN]: You go to the fucking room.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a madman rewatch.
[UNKNOWN]: They just knocked me out.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to finish up the bear.
[UNKNOWN]: I rather do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what a self-respecting sports fan would do.
[UNKNOWN]: He wouldn't go watch the team that knocked him out when the NBA title fucked that.
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, she should be supporting him in that.
[UNKNOWN]: She should.
[UNKNOWN]: Because again, what does she know about Dave DeBusher?
[UNKNOWN]: Probably nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably not, yeah, I'm guessing nothing, yeah, but.
[UNKNOWN]: You know?
[UNKNOWN]: What's she nothing?
[UNKNOWN]: Not a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Take to push me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love you, Lily.
[UNKNOWN]: I love you, Lily.
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's a... Cassie, you know, she should have a Cassie rustle here and I'm saying like nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing, not the first thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so he's that's that's a good move.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have less respect for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if he was at the next game with his soon to be wife wearing Nick's gear.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's just humiliating.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you respect him if he was in the front row, but kind of like a knock he's like wearing nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just wearing like a That's what I mean, I know I wouldn't because his his wife is there rooting for the team that just knocked his team out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, and I don't buy for a second that she's some hardcore fan of the next.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that'd be different.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, my wife is a Cowboys fan.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a Rams fan, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she came into this relationship as a Cowboys fan.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't get on her for rooting for the Cowboys.
[UNKNOWN]: That's her fucking team.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, the Cowboys beat the Rams and the NFC Championship.
[UNKNOWN]: and she's more than a title, not a DAC press god believer, she's more than a title to sit there in her fucking cowboy shirt and fuck her room for the cowboy.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't buy that that when when has when has Taylor Swift ever shown herself to be a Nick's fan, never is what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't know the first thing about Joe Laptchek.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: What does she know about Hubert Davis?
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Derek Harper.
[UNKNOWN]: She know anything about Derek Harper.
[UNKNOWN]: Hell, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Kenny Sky Walker.
[UNKNOWN]: That's your, you always bring up Kenny Sky.
[UNKNOWN]: My goal too.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just getting Kenny Sky Walker with the high box top.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Huge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you should have won the frickin' dunk contest.
[UNKNOWN]: There was some year.
[UNKNOWN]: I went back and watched one of the dunk.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's great.
[UNKNOWN]: And he loses to like Dominique.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, that's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Dominique does the same with milk dunk six times.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Hold on a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: He's skywalkers out here, too.
[UNKNOWN]: But she all fired up the year they got David Lee.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: They signed a Marry Stata Meyer from the Sun.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Finally, that piece and the pivot we've needed for years.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't buy it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't buy it.
[UNKNOWN]: She was really hoping her Williams would finally get a ring in the 99 finals.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did he coach that team?
[UNKNOWN]: No, he played.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he was still a player.
[UNKNOWN]: He coached them later.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if her member was he had a little run.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Run.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that when they had to do coach every like it was like all right.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to hire Larry Brown.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we're going to fill checks.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not going to.
[UNKNOWN]: We're like they had a little run where they were hiring bad coaches.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He did remember.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Her Williams definitely coached team.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you remember when they hired Lenny Wilkins and he fell asleep on the bench.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he was like 87 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what the guy go is great.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the, um, he was an assistant.
[UNKNOWN]: 2003 to 2014.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They're forever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But if he jumped in when guys got fired.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He worked under Don Cheney and Lenny Wilkins.
[UNKNOWN]: Owen, when Wilkins resigned in 2005, He took over his head coach, but then they hired Larry Brown and then he went away.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he was the acting coach for the last two games, the 2006 season when Larry Brown got sick, because he was also an old guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he was fired.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, Brown was fired.
[UNKNOWN]: And then hired Isaiah Thomas became that coach.
[UNKNOWN]: That didn't go out either.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they really tried a lot of guys.
[UNKNOWN]: The next, a lot of guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Like dantoni.
[UNKNOWN]: So she didn't lift her all.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't lift her the Lenny Wilkins New York Nick on the sleep on the bench.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I highly doubt it.
[UNKNOWN]: Now if I could be proven wrong, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: We're told she's good friends with Stevie Nicks.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm glad, but that's shirts.
[UNKNOWN]: Annoying.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, shirts sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not quite as annoyed at the shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this should not.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not sure it sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Get more mad about the shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: It says Stevie Nix.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: K and I. Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're a cute jersey, right?
[UNKNOWN]: We're a Carl Anthony Talon's jersey.
[UNKNOWN]: Taylor Swift has never been afraid to cover on path.
[UNKNOWN]: That sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: That's bad.
[UNKNOWN]: That sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, Andrew Daniels and the chairman sums it up perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: She strikes me as someone who told her girlfriend she was going to the sportsball game
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: She's doing the, I'm too cool for sports, but I'm at the sports thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: She went to all those calves games, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're Kelsey.
[UNKNOWN]: But how does that work?
[UNKNOWN]: She had to be rooting for the calves then, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she was very much rooting for the calves, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: See, this is a bunch of knots.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't get my front man.
[UNKNOWN]: Get more mad about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm with my friends.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's two weeks ago, she wasn't Cleveland with Kelsey rooting for Clea.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a bunch of, yeah, I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: And now she's wearing a shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a Stevie Nix.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not gonna get you mad enough about it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll move on how do you team hop from series to series I mean, you can't throw the playoffs.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that and you're enough of a winner in life You're a fucking billionaire.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you really need to fucking bandwagon all your your way all the way the NBA title?
[UNKNOWN]: You really need that two in your life you really need that two in your life
[UNKNOWN]: When I'm watching the reds bullpen, blow leads every night, you really need that in your life, Taylor Swift, every night, when I've got the worst bullpen in baseball, we really need that.
[UNKNOWN]: Unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, Matt, now you got it.
[UNKNOWN]: You did a rich.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you mad about the Steven next year yet, though?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all of it.
[UNKNOWN]: There it is.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: We can move on.
[UNKNOWN]: Finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, here's something that won't make us mad.
[UNKNOWN]: Best of the super juniors, new Japan pro wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Shindi on brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you a shindi on freak?
[UNKNOWN]: Are you okay?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm less of a shindi on freak than I've ever been.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go right to the finals here.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: Can I click me talk about this?
[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch the semi?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we should talk about the semi.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do the semi first.
[UNKNOWN]: I can quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I watch the semi.
[UNKNOWN]: We can talk like those.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you did watch the semi.
[UNKNOWN]: you did watch the semi's.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm stalling as I get out my notes.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: So, very quickly, I thought that Jose Fujita versus Robbie Eagles obviously tag team explodes here was was a very good match and and I thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Eagles goes into his closing sequence at one point, but he, um, he gets caught in the inside cradle and the story was Jose Fujita had the weak leg because Eagles was working over the leg the other time to, you know, go for the wrong Miller special.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, and it looked like he was going to win it, but again, the inside cradle floored him off.
[UNKNOWN]: He did hit,
[UNKNOWN]: The, the, the, the, he went for the turbo backpack, but Fujita then reversed it and he really, it was incredible to get him in position for that, that thrill ride and then put him away even with the injured leg.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they had a four star match and I thought that that match was excellent as far as yo versus Master Watto.
[UNKNOWN]: a much more technical match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Robbie Eagles and Jose Fujita was more of like what people call modern indie style, but really it was indie style from 10 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was more of an AEW style.
[UNKNOWN]: Very fast match.
[UNKNOWN]: Very fast-paced and the cardio and those guys incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas yo versus master Watto was a much more technical match.
[UNKNOWN]: They were exchanging a lot of head-norm jokes and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yo, and I guess we'll talk more about this in the final.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just inexplicably super over in front of the New Japan crowd.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously he beats Master Wattel.
[UNKNOWN]: I preferred the Kosae Fujita Robbie Eagles match.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, god yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but the Fujian and Robbie Eagles that was a real it was fun because you have the tag team partners So it's the idea that they know each other, you know, they they they they know everyone's in and out They know everyone's moves.
[UNKNOWN]: They know everyone's weakness.
[UNKNOWN]: They know each other better than anybody could possibly know each other and it worked that way It was like two guys that were very equally matched
[UNKNOWN]: going out there and like you said kind of and then throwing bombs isn't the right terminology, but it was fast.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a very fast-paced match where everybody kind of was doing, you know, their big moves very often.
[UNKNOWN]: And like you said, Robbie Eagles, the whole goal of his entire match, I'm going to hurt your leg, I'm going to put you in that Romero special, and then that's how I'm going to win this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I have, and it was a great plan.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was working perfectly and then food you to got him with that inside cradle.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought it was really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Like at the finish, she was, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: hurt from the loss he's just you know he's sitting there on the mat like fuck I had it and I thought that was it I had it and the guy he just just rolled me up and he just me and then like you know Fujita you know go to them there and consoling him a little bit so I thought that was really cool I thought it was a good way to do that match and and a very fun match and you know I didn't watch a whole lot of this tournament as you know
[UNKNOWN]: bits and pieces here and there, but I did enjoy this, so this was at least some solace in a tournament that, you know, large I didn't enjoy much of anything that I saw from it, even though I will admit I did not watch very much of it, so this was good.
[UNKNOWN]: You did do the, oh, I'm sorry, yeah, they didn't do the thing where one guy wrestles like with more of an edge, like a little heel-ish, like sometimes you do when tag team space each other, they just wrestled and and Fujita won the match and he went to the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was like, you know, let's put, let's just let's just both go out there and wrestle our asses off and let the best man win.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a very respectful match, but it was also, you know, well, I'm going to beat you because if it means I got to destroy your leg and put you in my little submission, Dili, I'm going to do it because I want to win the best of super juniors and hold that big trophy with the big wings on it or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was a really good match.
[UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yo and Master Watto put me to sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was just really, really boring.
[UNKNOWN]: There were like people really trying to champion this guy a couple years ago, and I was like, all right, are you sure?
[UNKNOWN]: This is the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: The wrestlers.
[UNKNOWN]: They wrestled arm bars and then had norm jokes and things.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it would have worked better if they went on before the other match.
[UNKNOWN]: You want the faster pace.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: On second, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, isn't that, but anyway, the final
[UNKNOWN]: Back to back years, by the way, same final from last year.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have to say, and again, I'm going to reference, I just talked about this with Damon today.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to talk about it with you.
[UNKNOWN]: There's an argument that Yo is the most overperson in New Japan and front of the live crowd.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: these people, at least on this night and on the night of the semifinal, but especially the night of the final here in this, this is the old Ota bill.
[UNKNOWN]: I did have it as a different name now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like that for this called, but here I have it in the notes here.
[UNKNOWN]: Ibarra Wave Arena Ota, but it's the Ota City General for an Asian.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the Ota City gym that everyone's super familiar with.
[UNKNOWN]: He was so over in this building and his whole routine, the whole chaos gimmick that he does, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Where is he's taking the moves from the old chaos members.
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing rainmakers.
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing the, the, the, the, boom I air, the, can Sasha, what the fuck does not come more or call the fronting me?
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone knows what I'm talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: The boom I air, I have to say it's our month.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and it getting huge pops because he's doing all these callback moves to X members of he's doing all the moves of X members of can He did last year too Yeah, and but it's over as fuck now.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is over as I can't deny that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like watching this guy
[UNKNOWN]: I find them to be very off-putting, but so she was on it really cheap.
[UNKNOWN]: I just find the, I'm doing the rainmaker, I'm doing this move, I'm doing that move.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so it's easy to get fans, it's like fan service shit.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: I was really bothered by it, I did not like it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: It's reminding people those huge stars that are gone, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Doing that, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah, because I feel like they're cheering O'Cotta, they're cheering Nakamura, they're cheering these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: These guys are all gone, they're not coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, it bothered me in a lot of ways that it maybe shouldn't have, but it did.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not telling you you have to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm not a huge fan of it either.
[UNKNOWN]: What I all am saying is it's a mega over the whole routine.
[UNKNOWN]: is mega over.
[UNKNOWN]: He was taunting Robbie Eagles at ringside and Robbie's like, oh, hey, mate, oi, pay attention to the point.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, a fosters.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and give me a couple of you right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be right back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was kind of the essence of the match where early on, yo is taunting Robbie.
[UNKNOWN]: Robbie's telling them to pay attention to Fujita.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just stunning how over yo is now.
[UNKNOWN]: He might be the most over person in New Japan at least in front of the crowds.
[UNKNOWN]: And look, this drew a great crowd.
[UNKNOWN]: They have 4,000 people for this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the official number was a little bit below that.
[UNKNOWN]: as I scramble, 39, 69, nice was the official number for this show with the Overseas Coast Safe Fujita on top.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, a lot of times with tournament finals, like, ah, you know, I don't know when the people bought the tickets and all that, but I can tell you that the 4,000 people that were there.
[UNKNOWN]: we're super into yo and I just get the sense that he has someone who has managed to get over big in a promotion where people struggled to get over.
[UNKNOWN]: Konosuke Takeshita.
[UNKNOWN]: has largely failed, largely failed to get over as the champion in this promotion and he's one of the five best wrestlers in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: There were some mitigating factors there, there's the idea that a lot of New Japan fans are keeping him at arms length, they understand all that.
[UNKNOWN]: But just as an example, and meanwhile this guy is just over like a mother fucker and draw on a big house for this final.
[UNKNOWN]: For all of the aping of the chaos moves and all of that, he did win it with his own move, and I thought that that was important.
[UNKNOWN]: There was an important, there was a spot where Fujita was just fighting for that submission.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what he calls the submission.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm bad with the names of the moves.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys know that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Yo is just fighting to the, he fought for that sub and got it on him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yo fought to the ropes, makes the big comeback, does some of Nakamura's shit, does some of Okada's shit, but he won it with his own move.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought that was important.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that this geek was maybe gonna win this match with someone else's move, which really would have spoke to Rich's point that's kind of a cheap way to get over even if it's working.
[UNKNOWN]: But he didn't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: and then in the aftermath because you know duki is the champion and he comes down and show comes down and instead of doing the thing where they just play the numbers game and beat the shit out of them, you know, the house of torture, they got murked here.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he fought them off.
[UNKNOWN]: And the last thing image of this was Yostand and Tall with his trophy, given a little speech, while show is rolling around on the ground and two keys rolling around on the ground.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, he left them laying, and that sets him up now for this title match against Duky.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's the thing, he should win.
[UNKNOWN]: He should win.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have to be a fan of the guy or like the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: to call it like I see it.
[UNKNOWN]: And the right call here is yo beating this guy for this title.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's depressing, but it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, I guess that's the thing with the chaos thing and the thing, I don't like the guy, I don't wanna ever see the guy wrestle ever again, but he's clearly over the chaos thing was over and he should definitely win the junior title.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if that,
[UNKNOWN]: What that says about YouTube and right now I think it probably it says exactly what you think it does because I don't think he's very good and I think he's kind of lame and I think he's annoying and I don't really like him but he's over and and he's probably going to win the junior title and he should I mean he actually should win the junior title if it's not promotions not in a position to bypass something that's hot.
[UNKNOWN]: No, because very few things on the show or hot.
[UNKNOWN]: Just just pounce on it man.
[UNKNOWN]: Take advantage of it while it's hot and if it wasn't the plan, change the plan.
[UNKNOWN]: He should win the title.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say, it wasn't courage in the post match because I was ready to go like, oh my god, because when she, like, showin' and Duky came out or whatever, just beat him up, I was like, oh fuck off, here we go again.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he'd like beat him up and like beat him up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when I, he'd like beat him up and stacked him up and then did his promo standing over them.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, that's actually kind of fucking cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the first, that's like the most vulnerable I've seen the house of torture in years.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, you always talk about, why don't baby faces just ever look good and breathe for two?
[UNKNOWN]: They never do.
[UNKNOWN]: Never.
[UNKNOWN]: But this guy just beat him both up.
[UNKNOWN]: He was outnumbered.
[UNKNOWN]: He even broke him both and left him there.
[UNKNOWN]: You know?
[UNKNOWN]: So from that standpoint, and you know, and then he just took his fucking trophy.
[UNKNOWN]: And he skiddaddle that out of there, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And look, it's not like the guy wrestles poorly.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, fundamentally, he wrestles well.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like,
[UNKNOWN]: the chaos thing isn't working for you, the chaos thing I would imagine isn't working for a lot of people but to the live fans and the New Japan fans, it's working and it's over and he is a good fundamental wrestler and all of those things and I feel like you know he it's such a no-brainer move to just have a win this title.
[UNKNOWN]: This show drew.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this drew and you can't say it wasn't them because it was a tournament or whatever because he was so fucking over it You get the sense he had something to do with it.
[UNKNOWN]: So Yeah, that's the best super anything else in the best of the super junior final
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing else for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got nothing else.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you watch the undercard of this because they're not much happened.
[UNKNOWN]: That's I think.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm tempted as I was I don't want to do this week.
[UNKNOWN]: I had to wash my hair, return some video tapes.
[UNKNOWN]: You know it goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So no, but we can talk about dominion, which is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, too.
[UNKNOWN]: So dominion 614 in Osaka, Joe Hall.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this card's a war crime.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what you think about this card.
[UNKNOWN]: This card sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, let's say, let me take a little bit, let's let's let's let's let's let's get a look through it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: On New Japan World TV Championship, Kono's gay Takeshita, you're champion.
[UNKNOWN]: He's one of these great wrestlers, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Can I just get to catch this?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it'll be in the ring, is scrapping it with Sonata, the returning Sonata.
[UNKNOWN]: I like these TV title matches.
[UNKNOWN]: and he has performed miracles with the likes of the last outlaw, Chase Owens, and huge, huge.
[UNKNOWN]: So why can't he have a good match with Sonata in a 15 minute time limit, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You're not down on it, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's Sonata.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not, I'm not, you're not gonna convince me.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: We'd be as Sonata, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say.
[UNKNOWN]: He did have a great match with huge huge.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're right, the possibility of having a good match with Sonata.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that may be that great.
[UNKNOWN]: A better than expected match with huge huge.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfectly crumbulant match with it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it, I'll for a huge row in the year.
[UNKNOWN]: 2025, or was it?
[UNKNOWN]: 2026, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's, that's, yeah, that was in March.
[UNKNOWN]: I did, I did, in fact,
[UNKNOWN]: non-ironically enjoy the match, but great.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pushing it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's usual.
[UNKNOWN]: You do what you can do with the huge right as a wise man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: So you do what you can with the huge.
[UNKNOWN]: You do what you can with the huge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You do what you could do with a
[UNKNOWN]: as I wow.
[UNKNOWN]: So the rep is the same.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Noted.
[UNKNOWN]: So there we go.
[UNKNOWN]: What else we got?
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have no disqualification.
[UNKNOWN]: The rule book is thrown out for this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No DQs.
[UNKNOWN]: El Fantasma.
[UNKNOWN]: E. E. P. Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Versus.
[UNKNOWN]: J.C. J.C.
[UNKNOWN]: Joe, I want to, I want to take back a, yeah, whatever, several months ago, you said you're going to give Jiggly a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember your give Jiggly a chance campaign?
[UNKNOWN]: How's that going for you?
[UNKNOWN]: I gave him a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember when I said there was no point giving this fucker a chance and you said, no, I'm going to give it a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: I got my pick up, who knows?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, give it a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Did it go the way it always goes with Jiggly?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, it's um, I made no predictions.
[UNKNOWN]: I simply said I was gonna give the man a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he deserved a fair shake.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he doesn't deserve a fair shake.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's always the fucking safety sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: He dropped the Mr. Peanut routine.
[UNKNOWN]: Give him credit.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Give him credit for dropping a failed gimmick.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done that several times, because he has a lot of failed.
[UNKNOWN]: Several times.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he looks like, I don't know, he belongs in like, deck of cards or something.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the what he's the way now.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what this is.
[UNKNOWN]: I, he's a, I listen.
[UNKNOWN]: The fucking door.
[UNKNOWN]: I may have said he had that weird shin skin Nakamura energy for a while right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think that's true right he says the weird Nakamura energy and he will bring that and fold the display when he has this no DQ match against ELP to this side.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll go out.
[UNKNOWN]: the rulebook is out the window so they have it's an open world for these two and I am just I can't imagine the hijinks they're gonna get up to yeah no disqualification no counterouts because you can't count it out I don't think you can get counted out and no disqualification match right so they could brawl all over the building or all over Japan nothing can contain them at Dominion in Osaka joa which opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities for the mind of Jake Lee for sure
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Tai Chi and you are you a mirror versus rodeo, you are in Zach Saboo Junior.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's a, it's a good professional wrestling match.
[UNKNOWN]: I got no problem with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Think the winners of that are gonna walk on down to that ring later on in the night challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The knockout brothers.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really good.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if to challenge in the knockout rows.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're going to challenge the idea we should win.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm throwing my hat in the ring there.
[UNKNOWN]: Mystic Overs' L-Desperado just randomly on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fine with me.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: Really risky to put Mystic O at the middle of the show though.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I hope they're the interventions after this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No interventions though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they're going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to have a long video package for the following never openweight title match.
[UNKNOWN]: Rednery to put in the strap on the line against Aaron Wolf.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, this is the few never ends, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: wait till the G1 blocks come out.
[UNKNOWN]: I think do we get the G1 blocks that dominates?
[UNKNOWN]: It'd be like erin the wolf uh do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
[UNKNOWN]: How are they all in the same block?
[UNKNOWN]: Goddamn it.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll be like Walker's story.
[UNKNOWN]: Goddamn it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Goddamn it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right to be up, Laka.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they... Yeah, Don Falei, Brenda Rita.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Chase, I don't think all of them, I don't think Chase, I think you want the whole, you think the B-block is just an entire block of how to torture you, have a lot to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And Aaron, be a blocker!
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, every, you're like, no, don't say be like, no, no, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Be blocked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: How so torture?
[UNKNOWN]: You should don't look at tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Why is it a fire?
[UNKNOWN]: You're so real.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what?
[UNKNOWN]: How is he in this?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It is throwing them all in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is double face.
[UNKNOWN]: It's heat, brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: She's to give through all of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to beat every single one of the house and torture members.
[UNKNOWN]: And then quite literally, every night, he has the same exact match.
[UNKNOWN]: They just do the same, the same match every night.
[UNKNOWN]: Aaron Wolf versus a new member of the house, the Witcher.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh god, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe he wins back then never open way title here and then can move away from the house of torture I listen if he defeats him all in in the in the bebrag.
[UNKNOWN]: The bebrag of the fucking G1 He's good.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't you never know.
[UNKNOWN]: I go bebrag.
[UNKNOWN]: No, rock.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you never know guys back you never know
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they'd say, no, rock, whoo, I was so much a, no, rock, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo
[UNKNOWN]: I think they stopped the momentum of a run-a-ray train that they got going on with a knockout.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't see her, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're going to stick with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, there's not many overacts in this company.
[UNKNOWN]: You'd think you'd want to just put the pedal to the metal on.
[UNKNOWN]: One of them, and keep them going.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's a bold prediction to pick O'Conan and Array.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got a feeling.
[UNKNOWN]: I got heat.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel in the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like we're trying to get to United Empire all gasped up and juice up here over the next couple months.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like there's there's some benefit to having them with the belts on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, put the belts on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, trap them up.
[UNKNOWN]: Newman's got the title, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: IWGP Global Heavyweight title three way match.
[UNKNOWN]: I got, I wonder who's taken the fall in this IWGP Global Heavyweight title three way match.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder why it's a three way match.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine what could be happening here on drudy versus drillamology versus show to umino.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think on drudy is involved in the fall?
[UNKNOWN]: I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a real Latino man.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sniffing what you're I don't know what I'm trying to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm picking up what you're laying down Yeah, I stay on what you're saying here.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like showed is gonna pin drill a something like that or you know what strap up my man drill a it's it's time Yeah, I mean No, I'm trying maybe I'm trying to just be showed to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know maybe just be some man Well, why's there three guys?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like going you wouldn't need to do that unless you're playing some games, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, for some of my men, IWGP Junior Heavyweight title, Duky vs. Yo, I wonder, Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm curious, do you think House of Torchers are going to be up to their old antics?
[UNKNOWN]: In this, IWGP Junior Heavyweight title match.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they will.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're going to see some shenanigans of what?
[UNKNOWN]: I think you've been down about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: a little bell ring, a little whiskey, the pipe, I think you can see it all.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're going to get it all.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're going to get a walker store.
[UNKNOWN]: It got a diameter too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a title change.
[UNKNOWN]: They should do the title change.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you be able to title.
[UNKNOWN]: Calum Newman versus Yota Suji.
[UNKNOWN]: So I ask you, you put the title right back on Suji.
[UNKNOWN]: You have Calum get this one way and establish himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Go right back to Suji or do you have Calum, hold this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Through the G1, I guess, it doesn't have to necessarily hold it through the G1, but we're getting get pretty close.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see what our next, our upcoming New Japan shows are like big shows before the G1.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this it?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, G1 starts to lie 11.
[UNKNOWN]: So I got who wins, whoever wins here is probably going into G1 as champion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a great feel for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he's going to attack some crutches as many of our Japanese followers are very upset about.
[UNKNOWN]: And I could see, look, I could see them going either way.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't have a great feel for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would keep the title on Newman, why not?
[UNKNOWN]: But I guess it'll all come out in the wash and we'll figure
[UNKNOWN]: idea is in the plan next cut it to one by the way oh my god well you're ahead of me now I I only saw that it's a four point game you've know
[UNKNOWN]: past me in the I can me in the spurs just when I'm for again.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: 104 103.
[UNKNOWN]: No, see, I'm I'm at 104 100.
[UNKNOWN]: So spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: We refer your spoil in the basketball game for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see if I can.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is a three.
[UNKNOWN]: Someone's hitting a three.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the help of game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that we're a lot of the black men just dreamed of three.
[UNKNOWN]: So you could just fast forward right through that.
[UNKNOWN]: I could definitely name more 92 next than current nexters that that's a lock.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I have no doubt you could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't have a feel for where they're going with this, but I would keep the title on doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's all predicated on what plans they have in the United of the G1.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels a kind of classic Gito booking, the established title reign that we've talked about a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: You get that first title win.
[UNKNOWN]: Now you establish that this guy can win the title, and then set it right back to the guy you want to have.
[UNKNOWN]: the champion.
[UNKNOWN]: But there is there is benefits having Newman remain that I mean it's a little funky to have it happen throughout the G1 with Newman as a champion, but Yeah, I don't know
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see it either way.
[UNKNOWN]: I definitely see their being apprehension to have Newman remain champion through the G1, but I also think that it's, you know, if you're going to have the, if you're going to do more with that Osprey story, particularly maybe you do it, you know, you could do that match up for Ben Dorf, you really wanted to not going to, but I think that's going to be something that's going to happen more in Japan than in America, but do they want to do, they want to belt off of Newman to do that match?
[UNKNOWN]: They do that story.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which would make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: which would then say, okay, what you put the belt back and you'll do suit you.
[UNKNOWN]: We've established Kalim, Newman is a top guy.
[UNKNOWN]: And then now we're free to get Will Osprey and to mix with him without that interfering with the finishes interfering with the IWGP title, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So that kind of be the idea there.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that would be the best argument for Newman losing the title for whatever they're gonna do with Osprey.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, who knows, they might not be, he might not rest a lot spray till like wrestle kingdom.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, could be a while.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're, we're maybe holding things for that story.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, yeah, so it's a story that's not, they're probably not concluding that story in August.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably going to go a little bit longer.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a new Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That seems like a pretty shitty card.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no interest watching Sonata face to catch the, I have no interest watching Jake Lee, Renuri Tehran Wolf sounds awful.
[UNKNOWN]: The three way you know my thoughts on three ways, Duki and Yo sounds terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: In Newman and Suji sounds good.
[UNKNOWN]: The tag match is probably going to be okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Knock up Rose United Empire.
[UNKNOWN]: Mystico Desperado will be okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's how you cheat.
[UNKNOWN]: Others stay there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not.
[UNKNOWN]: or crime, I'd be a little shrunk, but it's better than you make it out to be, I mean, I don't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: That sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen worse, Newt Your Pam line up lately than this.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not great.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not like, chomping at the bit, waiting for it.
[UNKNOWN]: But,
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're being a little hard on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, they deserve it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're going to sit down on Sunday, and you're going to rub your hands together and you're going to fire up the new pan world.
[UNKNOWN]: I have for some of Socket Joe Hall actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, so you're going to...
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be met with Sonata, immediately.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if that's going to help.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to help.
[UNKNOWN]: Great time.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, sleep is Sonata.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, you know what I do that a great time with?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Socket Pro.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to talk about Socket Pro?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, I want to talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about OsakaPo Ultimate Spiders Junior.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you got a first of all.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you got?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean, they didn't have a full show hit tape.
[UNKNOWN]: Since the last time we talked about them, Bushi Do was the last time, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They had the full show.
[UNKNOWN]: Now they've been putting out a lot of digests.
[UNKNOWN]: And they've been putting out a lot of, like, clipped, clipped events, like the 27th anniversary.
[UNKNOWN]: Two night deal was,
[UNKNOWN]: was was was was clipped and I did go back and watch that to kind of brush up on the company, but I was afraid that Osaka Pro was going to do the thing they usually do and just, you know, disappear for the rest of the year and not put anything out other than these little 30 minute digest and whatnot, but no, they put out the full show for the alternate spider junior 20th anniversary and taco yacita 21st anniversary shows.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll try to tell Ann versus at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, you got friends and their birthdays are close enough together.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I don't see that one big party.
[UNKNOWN]: We're both you guys, though.
[UNKNOWN]: And at the back in the Anniversary show in April, you know, ultimate spider junior, you retain that late heavyweight title against Suzaku.
[UNKNOWN]: That was one of the matches that, really, I think they showed that maybe not in full, but it was the least clip of the matches on that show.
[UNKNOWN]: And,
[UNKNOWN]: My boys are Ron Sano and Tigers mask.
[UNKNOWN]: They had another successful tag title defense against Rhea Matsufusa and Shilma Zuno on that show, which looked pretty decent with the clips that they showed.
[UNKNOWN]: And then night two of the anniversary, a Matsufusa successfully defended the Osaka Pro Title against Kuzuoka Mahara.
[UNKNOWN]: That's that big boy who we're gonna talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: in a second.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad I brushed up because it's been so long since we've had a full auto soccer pro show.
[UNKNOWN]: It was that April or February that boo she do boo she do boo yeah, I'm looking at it now hold on feels like it's been a month was March.
[UNKNOWN]: March.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's been a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's not uncommon where you go really, now if you want, you can keep up through the promotion through the digest and all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm more of a full show guy, you know, and the clips shows, it's a little better than like the 30 minute digest version of things.
[UNKNOWN]: But actually, let's watch this later.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like watching clips shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't either, it's, I'm not like in, it's, you know, I don't get a feel for what's actually going on and just clips, yeah, I'm not, I agree, I agree, that's a foul.
[UNKNOWN]: Watch this last possession by the spurs.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we're going to do that sort of kind of play by play.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think we're on the same.
[UNKNOWN]: We're at 30.3 seconds castles just for a rebound.
[UNKNOWN]: I got followed up all dead ball, 30.3.
[UNKNOWN]: So they opted for this mid-range jumper here and Castle comes out of nowhere for the rebound and he gets fouled on the
[UNKNOWN]: So these are huge free throw.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going one or two here.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Wemping, I'm a miss, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, on the last possession.
[UNKNOWN]: So your next fan, the guy who was looking for dolphin season has he responded yet or?
[UNKNOWN]: No, he surely will if they win.
[UNKNOWN]: He's locked in right next time.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like an idiot.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this 30.3 will go another 20 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they've got, next up, two time out, spurs of a time out.
[UNKNOWN]: So, he made the first.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to add our own commentary to this, we're not under fair use.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We are alive.
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, let's talk about, uh, the more nineteen any two New York nicks.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the spurs take a one point lead, next you use one of their two time outs, like Brown gonna draw something up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't describe the action that much.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, you're so nervous.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you so anxious all the time?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's, who's, what the heck?
[UNKNOWN]: It's,
[UNKNOWN]: are they coming for you I don't I because I said Mike Brown's gonna draw something up here I grew up with those warnings, but I guess they never came for the bad dogs.
[UNKNOWN]: They never came from Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're gonna throw you in jail Why are the why's the chat yelling at me that it's dominion that I not call it?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, but you're you're said like that's not a bad card and and let's be I it's that's the destruction of people as card like that's a destruction of people as card.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not fucking
[UNKNOWN]: I agree with that that's their point is like it's fucking dominion it should rock and it doesn't But who here's the thing with the roster and we've talked about this for a while I don't expect it to rock.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you where do you go?
[UNKNOWN]: What what what better matches are you Block like yeah, what you put together Right, it's the roster kind of stinks like it's it's very shallow We had we had a new Japan roster discussion like several weeks ago and it's like yeah, there's not much there So I get
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I've got, hold on, I've got Gito on the one.
[UNKNOWN]: You put together, Connell, you know, you try it.
[UNKNOWN]: You put together a bit of a better B-block than house the torture every house the torture room or an air and wolf, you try it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Lee, Connell, six, two, three.
[UNKNOWN]: You put together a better card.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Gito, I know, Gito, I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Get back to whatever you were doing, Gito.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I mean, what are you, what are you gonna book?
[UNKNOWN]: Where are you gonna go?
[UNKNOWN]: I agree that that should not be a dominion.
[UNKNOWN]: But it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's a part.
[UNKNOWN]: The reality of 2026, New Japan is is that is your dominion card.
[UNKNOWN]: So just.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what to say, except it or, yeah, whatever, put that.
[UNKNOWN]: I side out here, Bronson against Castle.
[UNKNOWN]: He's, uh, penetrating.
[UNKNOWN]: He's looking for a foul, gets the ball back.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to reset drives, Wimbledon y'all'm a blocked shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I have to be aware.
[UNKNOWN]: Ball, uh-oh, this can be a break away for the spurs.
[UNKNOWN]: Serenfox, he got a foul.
[UNKNOWN]: He got a foul.
[UNKNOWN]: He, no foul.
[UNKNOWN]: No foul.
[UNKNOWN]: Eight seconds left.
[UNKNOWN]: Here comes Bronson, down one.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that was, uh, that's, uh, uh, that's not what I was going to know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Hosell out out of there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the headband.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see the headband.
[UNKNOWN]: I was happening there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm super, Fox should, I know what he was trying to do there, but I would have maybe held the ball.
[UNKNOWN]: You were leading, let them follow you, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I know we saw the out of fast break there.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he thought he had a fast break there.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have held that ball, but then finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Good, but I think he was trying to just put it away.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he thought he was going to get fouled on the way up.
[UNKNOWN]: What, what's going on?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have sound on.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I'm doing a show so I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then I dump it down the pat, you know, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Let him get a couple dribbles in the post get those shoulders and those elbows out and then uh run somebody along the baseline and and try to run a screen, but if nothing's there, he could take that that trademark baseline fade away for the win and Anthony Mason can can post up and if it happens about his way, you can try to get it up as quick as possible.
[UNKNOWN]: got to get oak in there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got four fouls though, but you got, that's five seconds you need it.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't, you can't, you know, it's, so we've got to watch this final five seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, sorry, I'll suck a pro, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, I'm not going to be able to properly concentrate on what I'm saying about Osaka Pro.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to talk about Subasa and Billy Ken kid facing off in this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's an over back.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I hope they're challenging in that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an over and that's that what's happening because we have no sound.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, they're letting it slide.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they're not any challenges left or whatever, but that was over and back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Look like it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: This place is going to fucking explode.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this could be up for grabs.
[UNKNOWN]: They make this.
[UNKNOWN]: This just has to be some hokey jumper, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You can't go into the lane.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they don't do that anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's a jumper, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they did on the last possession.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They just did on the last possession.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he may have so sick.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my god.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so sick.
[UNKNOWN]: And nicks are such a luck box is unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we got to, unfortunately, they'll have to review it a thousand times.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, there's time left on the clock.
[UNKNOWN]: No, there's time left to time out spurs.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to inbound, they have to work.
[UNKNOWN]: And 1.2, that's not going to end.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fucking out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm similar.
[UNKNOWN]: See, I can't condone this.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't approve of this.
[UNKNOWN]: Spring stack in the can be in the house, all right, we're gonna roll in there all there john back in row.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fucking annoying fan base fuck all these guys Is that dopey mayor who doesn't collect the trash when it snows is either
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the mayor and it don't be mayor.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the current mayor or the, uh, because uh, what's his face?
[UNKNOWN]: He got there.
[UNKNOWN]: The guy who was the, there was a, one of the older guys got, uh, Drinks spilled out on the other game.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, oh, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What was his name?
[UNKNOWN]: Like a white hair dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Pretty recently, like last 15 years.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget his name.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he got a little burnt.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bloomberg.
[UNKNOWN]: Bloomberg.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He got a drink spilled out.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me show this face, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Bloomberg showing his face.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was saying he wasn't in like the celebrity row, but he was in the front row.
[UNKNOWN]: He was in the front row like baseline out, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now there's too many.
[UNKNOWN]: There's too many celebrities on the court.
[UNKNOWN]: They should not allow this.
[UNKNOWN]: Gamed it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that was a terrible shot.
[UNKNOWN]: They should have rewarded for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, to be rewarded for that is a fucking joke.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, O.J.
[UNKNOWN]: and it'll be bailing brunts and out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that is why, that is why sports stink.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they had no business getting a pass.
[UNKNOWN]: That was soxier.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a horrible shot.
[UNKNOWN]: 1.2, you got it now.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just throw it up towards the basket.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, throw it up to Wemby, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: But you could get fouled, too.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not gonna call that.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna call a farmer.
[UNKNOWN]: You got a hammer, I mean, you really got a hammer.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I saw the idea there.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw the idea though, it was a good idea, he came off that curl, and he was he was open.
[UNKNOWN]: Damn, fucking mix, now I'm at.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, because we cannot have this, no, they cannot have this.
[UNKNOWN]: We're still hearing about the fucking 73 mix today, and we can't have this team with this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't, but they're going to him.
[UNKNOWN]: What I mean, they came back from like 30 down.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is more you're just coming back with a final history.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: 29 points.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the absolute Lord that they set up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, God damn it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's, you know, that's, uh, that sports modern NBA came.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the lead to safe.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order to go to the law in order
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, why she allowed out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, it's be right.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of celebrities on the court.
[UNKNOWN]: I was saying they were celebrating and there was like 10 celebrities that were like running onto the court to celebrate.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, hold on a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's kind of a lot of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll find one.
[UNKNOWN]: See any more of that.
[UNKNOWN]: OK. All right, so that brings us two.
[UNKNOWN]: Osaka Pro, ultimate spider junior 20th anniversary, Taco Yukita 21st anniversary.
[UNKNOWN]: I love how you position as ahead of the all-japan.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got some all-japan to get to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Osaka Pro's.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: You you slotted this in ahead of the all-japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought for sure you'd be going to this last.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so we had Shomazuno and Subasa.
[UNKNOWN]: opener against Billy Kenkid and Kazooaki Mahara.
[UNKNOWN]: I just noted that Mahara got a shot at the Osaka Pro title on the anniversary show.
[UNKNOWN]: He's an attack here with Billy Kenkid.
[UNKNOWN]: Billy Kenkid opposite of our of his boy Subasa.
[UNKNOWN]: They used to be us.
[UNKNOWN]: Subasa.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know they've exploded there.
[UNKNOWN]: They're bitter rivals.
[UNKNOWN]: Not enough to bitter rivals.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, not you will listen.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't call them bitter rivals, but I thought the stuff between Mahara who calls himself the bombing evil bearer by the way, which perfectly describes him.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've ever seen this perfectly describes him, the stuff with him in Mizuno, I thought was awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I couldn't believe the pastes were working for two.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, for one guy's a really big guy.
[UNKNOWN]: And the older mass dudes were kind of laying low.
[UNKNOWN]: at that point, but this was 12 or 13 minute tag match, which was worked at super high impact.
[UNKNOWN]: Quite honestly, I thought it was my, the best match in, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I thought this was, this is my favorite match that was the best match on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Mahara, of course, was coming off the title match while I was to Mouthafasa, but Supasa wins this with an awesome back bridge submission.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just had ridiculous pacing,
[UNKNOWN]: And the work here was just, you know, pound for pounds this year in Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is going to sound crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the best work is happening in Osaka Pro of the promotions that I'm watching.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not watching any Yoshi and I'm never going to.
[UNKNOWN]: But the men's promotions that I'm paying attention to,
[UNKNOWN]: You just pound for pound like a match like this.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this was high level work.
[UNKNOWN]: This was high level.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this was fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: This tag match like like yeah, just a Christmas the fluidity that just yeah, it is
[UNKNOWN]: Everything possibly, well, it's not to say that this is like a great match.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be a match in the year when it's not, no, no, it's not that.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's just a really, really, really good, well worth 13 minute match.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is a rare sight in today's wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, these guys are all, they're all in the right place at the right time.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all doing everything, it's just, yeah, it's hard to describe.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've never seen, you gotta watch this match to see what we're talking about here.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is high level work here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just high level tag team wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: From all four.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it really was.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, I thought it was the best match in the night.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I thought it was better than the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really like the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: The main was really good, but this is better.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was better.
[UNKNOWN]: This was better work.
[UNKNOWN]: So next up was Hubbu, Hub, defeats Goliath.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, here's the thing about Goliath.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe I just said something up by said.
[UNKNOWN]: Now here's the thing about a soccer pros go wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Super star go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This man is listed at 68374.
[UNKNOWN]: I am highly dubious.
[UNKNOWN]: 6838374.
[UNKNOWN]: There ain't no way.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: There ain't no way.
[UNKNOWN]: They have this man confused with someone else.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Almost.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with like almost there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you on cage match?
[UNKNOWN]: I can get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Click Goliath in this hubo defeats Goliath.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they've got him mixed up with another man who calls himself Goliath
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, he's like a German.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is only match ever many in Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he came for one one.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm likely this man who's been wrestling in Germany since 2018 has shown up at the ultimate spider Jr. 20th anniversary showed Osaka to lose to Hubbu in 225.
[UNKNOWN]: the back of the plane.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think you're out of something, Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think this is the real Goliath.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a different thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I know the Cage Match Boys, listen to this.
[UNKNOWN]: They've made changes based on our recommendations.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, look into this.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody clicked the wrong Goliath and the six foot eight was my tip off.
[UNKNOWN]: Goliath is Hero Aki Tanaguchi.
[UNKNOWN]: is Goliath and somebody clicked the German Goliath.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just listen, much like our German friends over a cage match, I'm only interested in things being accurate.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm tipping them off that that was in fact a mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, the other Goliath who is six foot tall and makes 100 pounds and wrestles in Osaka Pro very regularly.
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, I was wondering where we were setting it up because I'm like no, he was pretty not six foot eight.
[UNKNOWN]: He was pretty yeah pretty normal size
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just identifying an error.
[UNKNOWN]: So, a rogue nation, in this case, Shu, Asakawa, Toru, and Yasutaka, ooh, Sarah defeat the vertex team.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the big feud, rogue nation, who's a very, very text.
[UNKNOWN]: Riyoya Mutsufasa, Suzaku, and Taida, or Boy Taida, who was not featured on this show, even though he was getting the big push at the start of the year when he was kicked out of rogue nation and joined the baby face.
[UNKNOWN]: Veritex or Veritex, whatever they call themselves, Veritex group.
[UNKNOWN]: So a rogue nation picks up the dues here in this six man tag, which again, just very, very solid action, well worked, good pace.
[UNKNOWN]: These guys look, they work together, they work more frequent schedule than people might think.
[UNKNOWN]: It just doesn't a lot of it doesn't make tape.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're working together all the time and it shows it's very similar to dragon game that regard where these guys just have it all down and it's just a bunch of excellent workers, some of which are a little limited from a charisma standpoint, some of which are a little limited from a look standpoint and from a side standpoint, but these guys can all go.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and a lot of the, there are a couple guys, including Susaku, you know, is a former drag and get guy came up in the drag and get sister or whatever, and it's, it's, for real, I've never watched Osaka Pro, it does kind of feel, it's not on, the highs aren't as high as like, you know, classic drag and get, but it has that feel of.
[UNKNOWN]: the classic dragon gate where it's like they're having matches nobody else can have because they're just they're it's this tight knit group that all kind of learned under the same umbrella and work together constantly doing all these shows all over you know so it's it's it's it's because of that you have a these guys like so Boston Billy can kid they could close the rise and have like a four star match because they've had they've wrestled with each other and against each other ten billion times over the last twenty years or whatever so they just and and and that's true up and down the roster and you it shows it shows in terms of just how
[UNKNOWN]: Smooth everything is and how just well worked everything is is that yeah this you could tell this is a tight knit roster That is also talented too because it's it's one thing to have a small roster and half the guys stink But almost nobody stinks that on this roster everyone has a certain level that in the people that stink are Basically comedy guys, we're talking talk about here in a minute, but for the most part you're you know
[UNKNOWN]: your core roster members are all pretty fucking good workers.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's that's what I usually get when I watch these shows is that it's just you end up watching the show and going like man and like all these guys there's like 12 guys on this roster that are all like really good workers.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody is great.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody has a star.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody has jump off the page charisma and all that sort of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why they're in Osaka Pro but they're all really solid as fuck workers.
[UNKNOWN]: So it makes it a very fun show to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: So the four way for the comedy title, take it away, Rich Creek.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you have the bodyguard who was, uh, what, Joey Chiro, Osaka, uh, yeah, the bodyguard.
[UNKNOWN]: He was out there.
[UNKNOWN]: They kept playing music because they would do a standoff where he would fake the other three guys.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, the bodyguard is Macho Samurai.
[UNKNOWN]: Who the fuck is Joey Chiro?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the frickin' boxer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: the yeah you're confusing sorry yeah but I didn't I didn't watch this so that's why I told you it was pretty stupid it was pretty stupid it it sometimes these matches are kind of funny this one wasn't basically what they would do is all three of the guys were scared of bodyguard macho samurai so but they would do this they would do a standoff and
[UNKNOWN]: like they were like it was like it's hard to describe it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't and that's why I like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they did.
[UNKNOWN]: Bodyguard would be on one side of the ring the other three guys would be on the other side of the ring and they would play like they'd be like and that's like oh, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to be able to beat the bodyguard up and then they wouldn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're probably you were probably better off.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing an Osaka pro review where I skip the comedy match and somewhere Joe Gagney is doing that meme of the guy on the airplane taking off the headphones and making the face.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have any of the guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: With the look on the space.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's like some soccer coach or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's taking off his headphones and making a disgusted face.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's sitting on an airplane or something.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Joe Gagney right now listening to an Osaka pro review where I skipped the comedy match.
[UNKNOWN]: He just he's like he's done with this.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like skip the episode and you can't match and he's just like that's not a pure Osaka pro review That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to review the comedy match.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't not review I have put in enough time and I have reached a distinguished enough age to where I don't have to watch this shit If I don't want to watch it, how's that sound sounds good how you think what do you think in that rich creature?
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think you're well in your right to do that, so
[UNKNOWN]: uh... tag team title match around sono and tigers mask coming off a successful title defense from the uh... anniversary show that uh...
[UNKNOWN]: that I that I just discussed that they showed almost in full on the clip show where they defeated Matsufusa and uh no no no no who'd they be a yeah Matsufusa and Mizuno they defend here against the anniversary boys tackle Yokeeda and ultimate spider I certainly had my money on the guys that shows named after and I ended up being a pretty good bet
[UNKNOWN]: Excellent match again.
[UNKNOWN]: I've talked about Iran's Sano and Tiger's Mask a million times.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Iran's Sano for the 30 under 30 as a 23 year old wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he got robbed and he was a honorable mention.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see how this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: If you can find 30 wrestlers under 30 better than this guy, I just don't think you can do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you can do it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: And Tiger's mask is the perfect partner for us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: This grumpy old fahre yama.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know I've made this comp before, and it's a really weird comp.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think they are my idealized version of what the knockout brothers try to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is like the Joe lands of version of what the knockout brothers are doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's no gimmick.
[UNKNOWN]: The gimmick, there's no gimmick here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sonno's a better wrestler than Utilice.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know if that would be considered controversial if you've seen both of them work.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think if I were Oscar, OK?
[UNKNOWN]: I'd be watching Tigers match me.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you could do anything that Tigers match does.
[UNKNOWN]: In the sense that the dynamic between the two partners,
[UNKNOWN]: I think Tiger's mask understands his role in this tag team and what he's supposed to be.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that Oscar can get a lot from that because I think these are two similar tag teams.
[UNKNOWN]: I really believe they're similar tag teams in terms of each guy's role, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Tiger look, Oscar is never going to match the grumpy intensity of a Tiger's mask.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are you ever going to get a sentence like that on another wrestling podcast?
[UNKNOWN]: Find me another one, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oscar is never going to match the grumpy intensity of a tiger's mess.
[UNKNOWN]: A 50, one year old or whatever the fuck tiger's mess, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: He's still very good.
[UNKNOWN]: He's still really good.
[UNKNOWN]: My god, like this tag team is the perfect thing for him.
[UNKNOWN]: They are my tag team of the year through six months of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: I love everything they do.
[UNKNOWN]: Sonno in relation to where he works is a future star.
[UNKNOWN]: There's levels here.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's ever going to be main event in the Tokyo Dome for New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's a future star on this level of Japanese pro wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so good, even when his dopey Pete Rose bowl cut, he could do the move in the look.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they look like they're like, he's got a dopey haircut and a little bit of a gut.
[UNKNOWN]: He could probably tighten that up a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a chubby boy.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, but look, mean potatoes pro wrestler is what he is.
[UNKNOWN]: And Tigers mask is the perfect partner for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Just I took this great picture of him celebrating with the bell-taff to their last night.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I took a picture of the tiger's mask in the background just looking over his shoulder like look at his fucking kid.
[UNKNOWN]: He's my partner and he disgusts me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it did just the dynamic between them.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you could buy that when the match is over, you know, tiger's mask gets back in the locker room throws the title down, sits on a chair, you know, lights up a cigarette and sonos like, I held a match man, that was great.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: There were several things we did wrong there.
[UNKNOWN]: We all saw these titles and it's like never happy.
[UNKNOWN]: Always like the tag.
[UNKNOWN]: You almost missed that tag.
[UNKNOWN]: It would have really fucked us up here.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's always, you know, like, kind of your classic basketball coach is like miserable.
[UNKNOWN]: They wouldn't give it, it's like, we almost lost that game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, all right, well, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He, I just, this is what it, when it comes to putting together the values, you have to find that chemistry, and it sometimes comes from the oddest places who would think that these two guys will work so well together, but they do.
[UNKNOWN]: And they lost the titles here because, like you said, the two anniversary boys win the belts,
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't necessarily think it was a lock, but it's fine that they did it, and those guys are both excellent workers as well.
[UNKNOWN]: They're ultimate spider-geneer, obviously, one of the harder push guys in the promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was just a...
[UNKNOWN]: It was a kick-ass match, and the focus was on the two anniversary fellas and they ended up winning those titles.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm looking forward to see if they keep Sonno and Tiger's mask together.
[UNKNOWN]: Or if this maybe is that kind of, because a lot of times these tag teams, they have their little tag team run.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's time to do something else.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm sure they want to do more with Sonno.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say with Sonno, they're going to want to move him up the ladder a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: but I think that that would that would be a shame.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to see them go back after these belts.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to see them win the belts back.
[UNKNOWN]: They're my favorite tag team in wrestling and I think they've been the best tag team of 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: And what are your thoughts on that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're a great team.
[UNKNOWN]: I also say with this match, what's going to be great too is if you go watch this, which is available for free on YouTube, by the way, and so we'll try to link in the show notes, but if not, you can find an Osaka Pro's YouTube channel.
[UNKNOWN]: is I love and I used to get this from Q-shoot pro and I would watch them too and it's something that I've decided I really really enjoy and probably should watch more is these regional Japanese promotions are just a blast because the fans there are fucking they're just a door.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like you brought that talk about the heat because I'm glad you brought that up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah and the crowd was shown.
[UNKNOWN]: nuts this entire night because it's like usually the season these tiny shows and these like tiny little buildings and Osaka or whatever and the crowd that's there just fucking loves these wrestlers these are their wrestlers this is their promotion in Osaka it's are and there's a certain like and Q-shoe has the same thing where it's like yeah you know some of the big roses will come here every so often but these are our guys these are the guys that are here every single week and they're busing the rest and it's like they're seen as the bigger stars they're seen as like and and on this nightman ultimate spider
[UNKNOWN]: this crowd at any time he's in the ring the fans are just chatting spider spider spider you know the whole time just screaming his name and wanting him to win and just rooting for these guys so badly to get the win and win these titles and that was true the entire night and i think that's something when i any time i watch a soccer pro uh when i watch q shoe pro which i would like to maybe start getting back to and it's just i admit you know control you get it sometimes you know classic admit you know control you get it and i don't know as much anymore i don't follow as much
[UNKNOWN]: of the modern machinoku pro, but these like regional Japanese, these smaller regional Japanese promotions, these fans just adore these guys, because these are their dudes, you know what I mean, Billy Ken kid is their guy, who passes their guys their region their their promotion, so there's a certain pride here that we're watching, you know, wrestlers from art that represent our,
[UNKNOWN]: area of the country and there's a stat just really really cool to watch it and it's just yeah Really a lot of kids in the audience too.
[UNKNOWN]: So you always get a lot of good reactions from them, too So I don't know it's just a lot of fun to watch these shows there are two hours in and out Hot crowds Salad as fuck wrestling good veteran workers good young workers.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's what what more do you need man?
[UNKNOWN]: This is it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all I need.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a simple man Joe with simple man Doesn't overstay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's welcome these shows, you know, probably what was it under two hours?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 150, six, I think it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, and that's with a lot of other.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God, too.
[UNKNOWN]: If you wanted to, oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you got the intro video, which we always put over the Osaka Pro intro video, which gives you the whole, and you can also do the audio translated subtitles on YouTube, too, if you want to know what they're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing that we always put over is they catch up on all the stories and then they go through the entire roster.
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't take long, and the roster's not very big, but yeah, you get a picture.
[UNKNOWN]: of every member of the roster and their name and their affiliation and you move on so you know who everybody is and who they're affiliated with and largely you know what stories they're involved in because they they'll play like you know a 10 minute clip before the show starts and you're good to go and then you could just jump in but it's really not that hard to figure out yeah no yeah you watch a couple shows you know it's a small roster so it's not that difficult might have trouble telling guys apart like the mask guys but you know you get the hang of it after a while yeah so another another solid outing I've really been enjoying
[UNKNOWN]: Like I always say, I will continue to keep up with Osaka Pro as long as it remains interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And right now, it's still interesting, so I'm going to keep watching it.
[UNKNOWN]: And same goes for zero one, the, the, an update on that.
[UNKNOWN]: The, um, fire festival gets going.
[UNKNOWN]: They have their final show on six, six, the final non fire festival show.
[UNKNOWN]: Still waiting for those matches to pop up.
[UNKNOWN]: and they still have not.
[UNKNOWN]: So when they get that six, six show, the June six show up, I will review that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then fire festival is starting in a couple days.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to say the 12, let me check on that.
[UNKNOWN]: So how I'm going to handle that is, well, how I was going to handle it was behind the paywall, doing the reviews as they pop up.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously there's going to be a couple days delay.
[UNKNOWN]: you know, with the nature of the getting up on the app, but you said you wanted to keep up with it.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe we'll do some of it here on this show, depending where the show was fall and you know, what we can get watched in when, but I will say this, every fire festival show will be covered.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: in some form or another, whether behind the paywall here.
[UNKNOWN]: Sounds good, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And the date on that is, oh, 13th in Shinkiba is where it kicks off.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got a couple more days.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's going to take a couple more days from the air for the show to pop up.
[UNKNOWN]: So Masato Tanaka versus Giro, Sujiishikawa, versus Runa Suki in the guy, R and Hayabusa,
[UNKNOWN]: Versus Katzahiku Nakajima.
[UNKNOWN]: So coming out right on fire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's nice.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good good start.
[UNKNOWN]: Hell yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sugutaka Sato versus Koji Doi.
[UNKNOWN]: So one match from two matches from each block.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, we have zero night one, but we also have Nakajim over time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll let Jero do Jero things.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's what they would Jero is.
[UNKNOWN]: You can skip like 20 minutes of the video because he should do his jacket thing and run run the arena.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you at least have that benefit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's over.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like yo, it's over, so it's like, wow, all right, fine, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the good thing though is the good thing about this is the next show isn't until the 21st.
[UNKNOWN]: There's eight days in between, which means there's plenty of time for them to upload it and get it reviewed before the next show even happens.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then there's a week in between the second and third show and then, you know, now they do have back to back on July 4th and July 5th.
[UNKNOWN]: But outside of that back to back, and then another back to back later, July 25th and July 26th, other than those two back to back nights, there is at least a week between all of the shows.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're not going to get that G1 slug where you're like, oh my god, I just got on watching night seven, night eights, a tonight, a fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: I just did a right.
[UNKNOWN]: You had caught in that, especially when you're doing daily reviews or recaps or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just gay.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you could caught in that.
[UNKNOWN]: Cycle where it's like, oh another fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got done watching this one Now I'm gonna do a show about it and then watch the other one.
[UNKNOWN]: You're caught up in that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you enough to do that with the firefest So that's pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good.
[UNKNOWN]: Now remember the final on August 7th.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cork and haul.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be their big show with a year So and listen the July 5th show is in KBS Hall with the stained glass So some interesting venues
[UNKNOWN]: for the fire festival, including, you know, quirk enough?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I'll tell you for sure that that final has to be on the flagship.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, we've done the fire festival in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to show it up until, yeah, that, that is a hundred percent of flagship topic.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see about the other ones.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It just depends where they fall and when they come up and what we who's watched and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: But we will be cover and that.
[UNKNOWN]: And as far as the soccer pro, well, when they put shows out, we'll cover them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I was still fucking October.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, last year they had like four full shows up by February and then disappeared and then never put anything up this year.
[UNKNOWN]: Gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was afraid that's what was going to happen again, but at least we got something.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, all Japan, and then, I think that's it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what the hell?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what was the end to a more interesting thing?
[UNKNOWN]: You told me we had to talk about end to a more interesting thing.
[UNKNOWN]: We were like, I got this cleaner, and I'm like, what the fuck you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: I, well, yeah, I forgot the contract stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to do that before, let's do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do that and then we'll do all Japan, wrap it up.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so we have,
[UNKNOWN]: What do we got contract last week?
[UNKNOWN]: So Steve McClens, Steve McClens departed TNA, TNA wrote on their website.
[UNKNOWN]: TNA wrestling has come to terms of the release of Steve McClens and Mila Grace.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they also released the Mila Grace, but who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: Effective immediately, we wish them the best in their future endeavors.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares about Mila Grace?
[UNKNOWN]: No, nobody cares.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't care about Mila Grace, nobody cares about Mila Grace.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfiteful select, quote, McClens had hope to keep word of his departure quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: But TNA issued a press release announcing it.
[UNKNOWN]: they really do that and didn't consult my leg Race or Maclin ahead of the decision.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Maclin asked out.
[UNKNOWN]: So he did, but then he's mad that they posted it on the website.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, just kind of be in a door here.
[UNKNOWN]: So he asked out and he got what he wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's out.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's the problem?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't you have a problem last time around what does contract to where he didn't want to be there and they renewed him on an option or something?
[UNKNOWN]: I think I talked about that.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to call something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's been trying to get out there for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the thing with Steve Maclin.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a good worker and he will work hard and he will bleed and he'll do all of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: Steve Macklin has the charisma of the fucking desk I'm sitting at.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the problem.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a ceiling there with that guy outside of TNA and TNA he can get pushed all the way to the top as we've seen smaller pond all of that talent is he's going to have more talent than a lot of the people there.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... this work ethic is going to shine through i think that if Steve maclin ends up with a a w or fiends up back with w w and i think it's very much likelihood that he probably already has his next landing spot planned which is why he wanted out to begin with right it's pretty obvious he's headed to one of those two places right i would assume a w but we'll see he has to be a mid-quarter and there's nothing wrong with that like he he'll probably make more money as a mid-quarter in one of those places
[UNKNOWN]: But he has, I would say, next to zero chance of ever getting a top line pushing.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, he's not having it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's not enough in the charisma department to get to get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Not enough, no charisma.
[UNKNOWN]: Not enough charisma, could he be now in AEW?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he could end up being a guide that they just stick in ROH and you forget that he's employed, that can easily happen to him.
[UNKNOWN]: He could be a guy that ends up in AEW proper, and but he's not gonna get any higher than the midcard.
[UNKNOWN]: He'd probably be best suited if to find the right tag team partner.
[UNKNOWN]: If he finds his own little tigers mask, maybe he could find something that works.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe if AEW is the destination, Tony Con has some million dollar idea, and knows what he wants to do with him.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE, you know, would they stick them back in NXT?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's an older, more established guy now.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't completely, you can't write it off.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they put Ethan Page there and Ethan Page has twice the charisma that Steve Maclin does.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he would have an even harder time gaining any kind of ground or footing in WWE.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't think that's a good place for him at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: My guess and I know nothing is that he probably sent dealers to AEW.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably where he's headed and I just, you know, as far as, I don't think he'll get anywhere close to the push that he got in his peak in TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, no, I think he tops out at like, midcard rapist or maybe Ring of Honor, you know, could you give him the Ring of Honor Championship?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, I don't think that would be.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I even think that might work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the thing with him.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a good example of why having TNA as an actual alternative is good and healthy is here's a guy who was in the WWE system for a decade basically.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it was fully 10 years and he was there forever
[UNKNOWN]: and he gets let go and totally reinvents himself in t and a. Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And now gets to this point, you know, five years later, where he can possibly sign with another company, maybe go back to the other of these obviously has something lined up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why you want a t and a in the marketplace.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why you want a true ring of honor in the marketplace.
[UNKNOWN]: Not like it is right now.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why you want these alternative companies that are actually out there that guys can go to and reinvent themselves and change thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's that's really, really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm glad that it exists.
[UNKNOWN]: And the TNA that we know of, the TNA that existed in 2021 that Steve Maclin, former Steve Cutler was able to join into or whatever, whatever, fuck you, it was Steve Cutler, it was he's something else.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess he was Steve Cutler, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was Cutler.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was Steve Cutler.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was Cutler.
[UNKNOWN]: But, no, it's like, it's a perfect example of what the benefit of a true alternative and true options can be, as somebody like this, who
[UNKNOWN]: In 2021, when you release Steve Cutler from NXT, it's like, I was the end of him.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's never going to do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: And the guy I'll give him credit, you know, found a niche.
[UNKNOWN]: never really figured out in the charisma department but figured out I can bleed buckets and then I can work some pretty good matches here there and now yeah it's going to get a presumably a bigger deal and going to you know back to that company or TW so it's cool but that that TNA that we're talking about does not exist anymore and that ring of honor that we used to be able to do these sort of things doesn't exist anymore and that is not good for for for the business that that these companies don't really exist in the same form anymore I mean I mean I mean Santana's doing it there's
[UNKNOWN]: Does the TNA that Santana went to exist anymore?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, he went there before the association.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I mean, yeah, I don't know if it's still a place where guys can go.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I feel like it might be a place where guys can still go and improve their stock.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE's kind of ignoring TNA again.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: That talked about it last week.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Triple A is the new Shiny toy now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so keep an eye on T&A contracts, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: We're just about at, what do we at Joe June six months six months from the debut on AMC.
[UNKNOWN]: So keep an eye on T&A contracts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: What other contracts stuff did we ask?
[UNKNOWN]: Shoe Skywalker, anything else on Shoe Skywalker?
[UNKNOWN]: The open the voice gate guys at a great episode that you must listen this week about Shoe Skywalker.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, you talked about inflation plus that you're here in New
[UNKNOWN]: No, and they heard the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't even cross.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even talk to those guys about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So we heard the same rumblings and put it out a few hours apart.
[UNKNOWN]: So it sure seems like everyone in Japan feels like he's new Japan bound.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll say yeah unless we can talk about where a dragon die I remember how I was like Oh, what's happened with dragon die like I thought he was going into the Japan and somebody pointed out to me This again, this wasn't like this is what's happening, but they were just kind of saying like Ah, maybe connect some dots here Tiger mask is going to retire here pretty soon And they said don't rule out dragon die of being the new tiger mask Right, so that might be why they're he's kind of in moth balls right now
[UNKNOWN]: Tiger mask, retirees, maybe something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't saying that he's going to be the new Tiger mask, just more like this is a possible reason why he hasn't been around.
[UNKNOWN]: Would make sense is we're waiting for Tiger mask to retire.
[UNKNOWN]: He's also a junior and how he can't just debut in the middle of a junior.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's got to be the right spot.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, that is a definite possibility.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's where he lays down Shune and I talked briefly about it behind the paywall on the last flagship plus and you had to open the voice gate guys to our show mostly, you know, a lot of it centered around the Shune Scout Walker situation.
[UNKNOWN]: So who else we got on the contract stuff here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you told me, Enzo and Mori, I have no, so what the new story is on Enzo Mori.
[UNKNOWN]: So what do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the Enzo was spotted at the Performance Center.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a lot of talk about big cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe become an available as big bill as he's known as his contract coming to do.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have here Rich Critch.
[UNKNOWN]: I have here a press release from our from one of my favorite independent promotions fourth rope.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is, uh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have information here.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you?
[UNKNOWN]: Are the fourth one press release?
[UNKNOWN]: Don't ask questions.
[UNKNOWN]: You
[UNKNOWN]: I've got this press release that was sent to me from my favorite, uh, didn't listen, fourth rope, west side gun.
[UNKNOWN]: They're big, uh, they're, they're, they're group, you know the group.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not going to fill it in for you, but yeah, you're a big fan of, uh, west side guns rap group, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and his partner, Smoke DZA, you guys are running for throat promotion E-I-T-A, yes, so as the press release states, that for throat is a revolutionary and dependent wrestling promotion, we're professional wrestling
[UNKNOWN]: hip hop culture collide known for its underground aesthetic exclusive merchandise and roster of both hungry up in commerce and legendary veterans fourth rope is rapidly becoming a major player in a global wrestling landscape a statement I agree with by the way so I got this press release and we're gonna clear up some things on on Enzo a more right here so uh... i don't know if you knew this but uh... hip hop heavyweight fourth rope co-founder smoke diza officially confirmed
[UNKNOWN]: That reigning flyweight champion, Enzo Amore, aka the real one.
[UNKNOWN]: The real one, yep, yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Will be an action.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: At the highly anticipated July 4th event at the essence fest in New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: This announcement comes as a direct response to rapidly swirling dirt sheet rumors.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the dirt sheets.
[UNKNOWN]: Suggesting that the charismatic superstar is yielding interest from WWE, the charismatic superstar.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, this confirmation dropped during a recent episode of the wrestling hang live stream hosted by David O'Tongue.
[UNKNOWN]: During this extension, I don't like this man live anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to get off this ride.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like this.
[UNKNOWN]: Discussing the intersection of hip hop and wrestling, Otanga brought up Enzo's recent hot streak and the mounting speculation that the major companies are looking to scoop him up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's my winch streak with Elamigo and Zomori.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a hot streak, is that why we're champion?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let me see what his performance is on.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, we don't listen, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Just take it for what it's worth.
[UNKNOWN]: Addressing the noise head on smoke and Diza made it clear where the champ is going to be in the Venice day.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the quote.
[UNKNOWN]: Retreat for the quote.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see it.
[UNKNOWN]: As far as you know, the rumors, because I see the dirt sheets too, I don't really know Diza stated on the stream, but he's our flyway champion and you know we got essence best on July 4th and he will be there.
[UNKNOWN]: The real one is a big money man.
[UNKNOWN]: And that guy is big money.
[UNKNOWN]: Dizzy explained.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched him rebuild himself from the ground up and I'm so proud of that dude because he's very, very instrumental in what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: And so is one of the most brilliant wrestling minds I've ever met and quote.
[UNKNOWN]: So there you go, July 4th, New Orleans, essence fest.
[UNKNOWN]: The Hills have eyes 13.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be there.
[UNKNOWN]: The Wrestling World Watch is closely to see if Enzo Amore will return Monday nights, but fans of RAW unfiltered in Defender Wrestling, they can guarantee you'll see him defend his turf at 4th ropes, most historic show to date.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the first ever wrestling show at Essence Fest in New Orleans, and it's headlined by Enzo Amore, aka the real one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's the scoop straight from 4th rope.
[UNKNOWN]: which I receive the press releases.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of jealous.
[UNKNOWN]: I want the press with this in the fourth room.
[UNKNOWN]: It's too bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I get the fourth room.
[UNKNOWN]: You're on the level.
[UNKNOWN]: You and Westside Gun and Smoke DZA are best of buds.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: You let them know about your prior Requon friendships and they're like, oh, this is a real one here.
[UNKNOWN]: Not that the real one, but you're a real one No, no, I can never be the real one.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, not real one with the number like you're a real like lower case are You're real one spelled out.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he's not the real one with the number either He's the real one spelled out.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's some copyright stuff with the real one with the number.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
[UNKNOWN]: But we all know, he's so real that you just know.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not sure he has the momentum of a runaway train that they are describing.
[UNKNOWN]: So now he has defended this fourth rope flyway title several times, just not a lot recently, not this calendar year.
[UNKNOWN]: But he has, he's had that title for 419 days.
[UNKNOWN]: So less defense was December 5th.
[UNKNOWN]: against Chris Farrow at the tank brewing company in Miami, Florida for C.C.W.
[UNKNOWN]: Bash at the brew.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the, you watch C.C.
[UNKNOWN]: Coastal Championship, you watch them during many weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, I think as Enzo would say, you're just a hater.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, that's what's happening here.
[UNKNOWN]: You're just a hater.
[UNKNOWN]: Stay hater.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'll be there at us this fast to watch Enzo.
[UNKNOWN]: Will you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I won't be.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But, did they offer you media tickets or credentials there?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, we'll keep that close to the vest.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a nine hour drive.
[UNKNOWN]: I can make it over there.
[UNKNOWN]: I just say you can make it.
[UNKNOWN]: You've made it before.
[UNKNOWN]: I've made it for wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: You've made the drive for wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Why not this time?
[UNKNOWN]: I have a pro-fad July 4th.
[UNKNOWN]: Multiple times.
[UNKNOWN]: Fourth of July.
[UNKNOWN]: My wife will love that.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't want to go out.
[UNKNOWN]: Later.
[UNKNOWN]: Gotta go and watch the real one.
[UNKNOWN]: The end is fly, way, title, a fourth rope.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Fourth rope doesn't a nice job.
[UNKNOWN]: Very, a lot of money.
[UNKNOWN]: Very, yeah, a lot of money.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they do like elaborate sets and like everything looks good.
[UNKNOWN]: It all looks solid as hell.
[UNKNOWN]: It's you know, we're not like about it.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a fuck if you're canceled.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't book any Remarkable.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think they should book David Richard somebody asked me who I wanted to see come back Yeah, book David Richard and it was like a Q&A and someone's like, oh, who's so wrestling?
[UNKNOWN]: That's not a running bullet.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to see come back and I'm like, ah, you don't want to hear my answer And I was like, actually you do it's David Richard.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care what he did.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you guys bring back fourth row
[UNKNOWN]: They don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they had that one meeting we can show.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like that that battle royal was Rubble everyone who 44% cancelled man Okay, and rich what happened nothing anyone No, go to jail.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you care?
[UNKNOWN]: Like what what happened?
[UNKNOWN]: What happened?
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody sends out a tweet Tisked isking them it doesn't it nothing happens So just book them
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to look at that.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me try to find this battle Roy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: The heels have eyes as he had real one.
[UNKNOWN]: AJ Francis.
[UNKNOWN]: AJ Gray.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what the two cancellation count were at two right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Brian Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: Cha cha Charlie.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know anything about cha cha Charlie.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure he's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell, maybe a weekend staple in Forty.
[UNKNOWN]: EJ didn't do good.
[UNKNOWN]: He's sees fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Elijah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I say a bronzer.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Jolanzo.
[UNKNOWN]: Jolanzo close.
[UNKNOWN]: He's he's he's he's your AAW world champion.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's picked up some some gold here in Chicago.
[UNKNOWN]: John Wayne Murdock, Kenny King K and G King, Kevin Blackwood, Kevin Knight.
[UNKNOWN]: Not as many cancel guys as I thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, yes, yeah, he's a Japan not by choice, but How to see yeah rich rich reality rich swan Sydney acting
[UNKNOWN]: Swanzas, Swanzas of a borderline candidate.
[UNKNOWN]: Sydney, I came in the Tommy Dreamer.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like five, but that's a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: That's alive at a 20 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a lot for a modern indie show.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, nothing happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody cared.
[UNKNOWN]: No, nothing happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that was a fantastic end zone morning update.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't, you said, cleaner I got this and I didn't believe you, but you got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was, that's big end zone news.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Alchepan super power series 2026 night three.
[UNKNOWN]: I only watched the main event, the IWGP or IWGP.
[UNKNOWN]: The eight, Alchepan for wrestling world tag team title match.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not watch the rest of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch the rest of the show?
[UNKNOWN]: And if so, is there anything you would like to talk about?
[UNKNOWN]: We'll just talk, we'll talk about the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: If Iran's Sano and Tiger's mask are my favorite tag team this year and my running favorites for tag team of the year, number two is the Titans of Columbia.
[UNKNOWN]: I unironically love this team.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that and half of it is Rene Yabe.
[UNKNOWN]: So think about that.
[UNKNOWN]: When you're least fair wrestlers in the world, but they have all all Japan, they've created something in Talos, a guy that
[UNKNOWN]: No one has been able to figure out what to do with this seven-foot guy, and, you know, Act Billy has had a crack at him, I think WWE has had a crack at this guy, Juggalo, champion, shit, wrestling has had a crack at this dude.
[UNKNOWN]: They couldn't figure out how to get this guy over, you know, who got him over?
[UNKNOWN]: All Japan got him over.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is a legitimate seven foot guy.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's working hard for them.
[UNKNOWN]: He got the Titans booked in the Crocod Cup.
[UNKNOWN]: They won the Crocod Cup.
[UNKNOWN]: They were the All-Japan Tag Team Champions when they went over there.
[UNKNOWN]: And that had made event here against the Saitos.
[UNKNOWN]: Rich, this building.
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen New Japan run this building.
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen other promotions run this building and not feel it like for random tour shows or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: in this building.
[UNKNOWN]: But they drew over 2,000 fans, 21, 18 for this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And everyone knows this building, if you see it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got like the second level seating with the red seats.
[UNKNOWN]: And on the other side, I think the seats are green.
[UNKNOWN]: The only seats that were empty were on the very far edges of the top of the, like, upper deck side.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it looks great.
[UNKNOWN]: It looks great.
[UNKNOWN]: The floor was packed.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, they might not have had as many chairs on the floor as maybe New Japan does, but I don't know the answer to that.
[UNKNOWN]: is this atmosphere was outstanding for this show and particularly for this main event match.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm gonna say something and people are gonna think I'm insane.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: When this match once they got done with the walking braw portion of it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they did a walking brawl around the building and all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was getting tons of heat because the say those are over and the Titans are over.
[UNKNOWN]: Also it's a you and they were going like into the balls of the arena and that was getting really over in front of this crowd like they thought because it's a unique thing to go like truly backstage and these guys were walking up ramps and then the back and then like the bay doors and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like every attitude there a brawl you've ever seen but for this crowd it was like,
[UNKNOWN]: They're going upstairs, they're going in the bathroom, they're in the loading dock.
[UNKNOWN]: This is incredible, so, it's fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, what I'm about to say, but I truly mean it.
[UNKNOWN]: Once we hit the closing stretch of this thing, when we got back into the ring, now these are obviously not great workers, none of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the site does particularly June, they know their limitations.
[UNKNOWN]: They know what they can do.
[UNKNOWN]: They work within those limitations.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Talos has done a great job in all Japan utilizing his size, working within his limitations.
[UNKNOWN]: René Abe is what he is.
[UNKNOWN]: But when this match hit the home stretch, and it got really good.
[UNKNOWN]: And you had this packed,
[UNKNOWN]: by modern standards, algebra, and crowd.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's be fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Even during some of algebra pans glory days, they would run some shows and buildings about this size with two or three thousand people in them.
[UNKNOWN]: And this felt alive, this felt vibrant in a way that algebra pans shows often don't.
[UNKNOWN]: The crowd was super hot for this.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the closing stretch of this match,
[UNKNOWN]: I felt a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt a little bit of classic alder pen.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt it.
[UNKNOWN]: Now are these guys anywhere close to the workers?
[UNKNOWN]: No, of course not.
[UNKNOWN]: But the vibes and the structure of the closing stretch and the heat from this crowd,
[UNKNOWN]: and the way that they were so emotionally attached to everything.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the site does winning the titles back.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody was big too.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the other thing.
[UNKNOWN]: There wasn't any Twinkie little skinny guys.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all big fucking dudes.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all big beef boys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Renne Yamiji is the smallest guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, but he's tall.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like six, seven or whatever he is.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how tall he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Six, five.
[UNKNOWN]: And this just, it, it, it, for a few minutes there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, for the first time in a long time, they have captured the essence of classic algebra pan.
[UNKNOWN]: And I felt it.
[UNKNOWN]: And look, was this Missawa Kobashi versus the Holy Demon Army?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course it wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: But as far as the energy in the building and the way the closing stretch was structured, I felt it, man.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: the satos when the titles and and the way that the yabe and toulos just sold it in their eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it really meant something to lose these belts as the site those were cutting at promo.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were watching from the outside as dream warriors playing in the background and death in their eyes like, ah, these are our fucking belts, you know, and
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I loved this match, you know, and not because it was some five star classic, not because it's going to be on my match at a year list or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But because it felt like pro wrestling it made me feel alive when I was watching it and it reminded me.
[UNKNOWN]: In the strangest way, you never think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Remind to me, like I was watching 1990, one ultra pan for at least a few minutes there.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just nice when I can see, everyone knows I'm down on processing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Overall, it's just nice when something
[UNKNOWN]: just lands with me like the smatched it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I really loved it.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, I was a big fan of the closing stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: And the smatched out would happen in real time is they're doing their brawling in the crowd and backstage, and I'm just not really digging it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I jump into our slack and I forget, I was saying something, I was just like, yeah, yeah, I'm watching the, you know, I think I was like, I knew Japan undercarts boring me, so I'm gonna watch this, you know, I'll Japan tag match now, and then I'll go back to that undercard later.
[UNKNOWN]: I talked about this, this match in Alan, Alan Koonan, Alan for all says, oh, you're going five on the, on the, on the, on the Aljpant tag and I'm like, yeah, talking about I was like, it's going to need one hell of a closing stretch out and so no, I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: And goddamn, 25 minutes later, I'm like, Alan, I don't know, maybe, he wasn't incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: The end of this match fucking ruled.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know, he met that ingest, but when it was over, I was like, I don't know, that wasn't a basic closing track.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I don't think I'm going five on it, but God, it was great, because it was just, I think the point that I brought up, how big everybody was.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just it felt like like a Titanic event that these two giant teams are just double choke slamming each other, double clothes lying each other and screaming and snarling and spitting and sweating and yeah, no, no little, no little guys, no yo, no twinky guys, you know, none of that, it was just like big fucking strong looking guys just out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Throwing bombs at one another and kicking out and just yeah, it was, it's, it's, the crowd was just, the crowd adores the cytoes.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and even though, yeah, I'm not as, as big on, on them, as a lot of people are, I like June, but right cytoe, you can, you can have them, not really need him, but as a tag team, they work as a tag team, they work a lot better as singles,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was just, I think that was the biggest thing that I got from it is just how important and how cool it is sometimes to see big dudes that can work and go in there and crowds still respond to that crowds will always respond to a couple of big dudes or two big tag teams going there and just, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: throw bombs at one another and and and grunt and and just it's make that ring rattle with the ivory move that they're doing and that's what you got throughout this entire match and it really and it's delivered and the crowd just 100% invested in the cytos winning it and like you said too red the titans of calamity cared that they lost those titles where it would really hurt them that they no longer are the champions and it's like
[UNKNOWN]: You could see them and we got to get these titles back as soon as possible.
[UNKNOWN]: Fates, faces, assholes, we'll beat them next time.
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, no, the closing stretch of this match, you're gonna watch this.
[UNKNOWN]: If you go back and watch this, you're gonna, you're gonna get to the same point.
[UNKNOWN]: We both were 10 minutes in and be like, I don't know, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing happening.
[UNKNOWN]: This is pretty boring.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then 15 minutes later, you'll be like, motherfucker, that match rocked.
[UNKNOWN]: How good was that?
[UNKNOWN]: It was, yeah, the closing stretch was, just can't put that over enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a, uh, you mentioned Alan.
[UNKNOWN]: four days ago, I had a message waiting for me in the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: It says, as soon as you wake up, log into AJPW dot TV and watch Titans Versailles, those exclamation points going from Allen.
[UNKNOWN]: So he was very excited about this match clearly when he watched it and knew that I was going to dig it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not surprised that he, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: saw you talking about it and and jumped all over.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a very entertaining match.
[UNKNOWN]: So and really the atmosphere in that building.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't say enough how man, because all Japan has struggled with that atmosphere for how long now.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's the things to turn to corner things.
[UNKNOWN]: The last six months to a year things have really turned the corner for for all Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they they feel there was that year, year and a half, where it was like the Dol drums, like you said real Dol drums and even then like you before that.
[UNKNOWN]: They were there'd be good matches, but maybe the crowd and the atmosphere weren't that great.
[UNKNOWN]: But now the matches are been pretty good and the crowds have been really good.
[UNKNOWN]: And the numbers are looking pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, things are looking up for all Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's I'm glad.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad.
[UNKNOWN]: I like when all Japan is good.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I really do.
[UNKNOWN]: It's stuck when they were a promotion that I didn't want to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to watch them.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're doing love I mean it's it's it's whether it's go whether it's a site Toes whether it's just a lot of things really enjoyed the carnival.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to get that Hadekki Suzuki title shot against Kental Miyahara's coming up So Yeah, they've been an enjoyable promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: They've been an enjoyable promotion Along with Osaka so Yeah tag match was really good stuff Big triple crown match coming up
[UNKNOWN]: Go Shilzaki with a great carnival tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: See ya, all Japan's been real good.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're doing this one on Wednesday because this thing's coming up, but next week will not be a Thursday live show.
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