WEBVTT 00:02.997 --> 00:11.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to spank, from common lives, and you're listening, listening to the high-carum podcasts. 00:19.992 --> 00:21.934 [SPEAKER_04]: welcome everyone to the iCarve podcast. 00:22.595 --> 00:26.359 [SPEAKER_04]: We are back on schedule again this week. 00:26.379 --> 00:30.484 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a guest but before we get into that let's talk a little bit about our week. 00:31.846 --> 00:33.788 [SPEAKER_04]: Albert, she started us off. 00:34.057 --> 00:38.340 [SPEAKER_02]: to the same like every week we had a forging class, but we had an advanced forging class. 00:38.360 --> 00:45.045 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it was our first second video advanced forging class like with normal students and not with other knife makers or bladesmiths. 00:45.405 --> 00:47.686 [SPEAKER_02]: So they made copper Damascus blades. 00:48.167 --> 00:52.670 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a three-day class and the forging took us like all day, first day, because 00:52.950 --> 00:57.694 [SPEAKER_02]: we forge our copper Damascus in the electric kiln and it takes forever to heat up. 00:57.854 --> 01:05.221 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was a fun class and it was super nice to see students build something else and like the normal pattern welded Damascus we usually do. 01:05.781 --> 01:08.984 [SPEAKER_04]: Those are students that have taken classes with you before, but they're not. 01:09.725 --> 01:10.886 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the knife makers. 01:10.946 --> 01:16.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you have to take one at least one class with us to do the advanced class. 01:16.831 --> 01:22.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you have to know your way around the machines and stuff because otherwise we wouldn't be able to finish it in time. 01:23.720 --> 01:31.870 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have to take one class with us and then you can then you can take an advanced forging class and you can decide what you want to make. 01:32.370 --> 01:40.636 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it helps if the students tell us in advance what they want to make of course, because then we can prepare the billets or prepare the steel, whatever. 01:40.776 --> 01:43.077 [SPEAKER_02]: But this time it was copper Damascus. 01:43.317 --> 01:53.924 [SPEAKER_02]: We've also done advanced classes with other lifemakers who did lemonade to the steel, like apex, laminated, or also cumile lemonade with like copper diffusion barrier in there. 01:53.964 --> 01:57.887 [SPEAKER_02]: But we've never done a class with copper Damascus cladding and apex core. 01:58.087 --> 02:01.069 [SPEAKER_00]: So it also lemonade, but it was copper Damascus on the outside. 02:01.270 --> 02:17.266 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was super nice to see that, but the forging takes forever, usually we're done with the forging within the, I don't know, two, two, three, maybe four hours, but this time it took us all day, because we had to restart the building and they have to heat up in the kill this takes forever. 02:19.148 --> 02:23.633 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice to see that we can't finish the copper Damascus class within three days. 02:23.773 --> 02:24.574 [SPEAKER_02]: What else happened? 02:25.154 --> 02:26.756 [SPEAKER_02]: I struggled with the de cleaver. 02:27.097 --> 02:27.697 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm building. 02:28.358 --> 02:29.720 [SPEAKER_02]: I broke the tank. 02:30.060 --> 02:32.663 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had to weld it back on. 02:32.683 --> 02:36.227 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I had to re-ground the profile so that's where I met with this one. 02:36.452 --> 02:41.116 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you entering the cleavage challenge for the knife show Austrians out of that is for this No, no, no. 02:41.937 --> 02:42.657 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a customer. 02:42.878 --> 02:43.718 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for a customer. 02:43.798 --> 02:51.785 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the customer who bought the first double hook blade I made And he wanted to have the same grind on a cleaver 02:52.526 --> 02:59.090 [SPEAKER_02]: Which kind of makes sense, I guess, but it's a whole different level on the cleaver because you have to remove so much steel. 02:59.410 --> 03:02.612 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're starting out, the thing is so heavy. 03:04.733 --> 03:13.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Even for the ox grip, it's kind of hard to manage so much steel in the grinder, so that the hand gets sore and stuff. 03:13.538 --> 03:16.279 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's where I'm at this point. 03:16.320 --> 03:16.920 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had to 03:21.142 --> 03:28.668 [SPEAKER_02]: and the shoulders, then I had to handsen it again, of course, but I hope to be done by tomorrow or Saturday at the latest. 03:29.409 --> 03:42.779 [SPEAKER_02]: And then on Sunday, two of our students come back to finish because they made so much cover to the meskis that they want to make another knife with the leftover steels and leftover steels. 03:42.799 --> 03:49.565 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're coming back on Sunday to work on their second knife, a third knife for one guy, even. 03:50.345 --> 03:54.506 [SPEAKER_04]: So is that an extra special day for you guys or usually in the shop on Sundays also? 03:54.726 --> 03:56.586 [SPEAKER_02]: No, we usually in the shop on Sundays. 03:56.606 --> 03:59.507 [SPEAKER_02]: So this week we had our 14-class in Sunday. 03:59.927 --> 04:06.988 [SPEAKER_02]: But we usually, I mean, especially on Sunday we're at the shop because it's a bit quieter than usual. 04:07.228 --> 04:10.308 [SPEAKER_02]: So all the other companies in the area are empty. 04:10.708 --> 04:12.489 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a bit quieter on Sunday. 04:12.509 --> 04:13.969 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing else to do on Sunday. 04:14.189 --> 04:17.010 [SPEAKER_02]: So I enjoy Sundays in the shop actually a lot. 04:17.150 --> 04:19.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Might even be my favorite day in the shop Sunday. 04:19.750 --> 04:32.826 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're not religious, we don't go to church or anything, so what else would be doing that something you can't do, you can't go shopping, you can't go by shooting, you can't do anything, so why not work or do some fun projects? 04:33.159 --> 05:01.122 [SPEAKER_02]: Clay shooting is closed on Sundays also, yes, but the other one is yeah, I don't know why it annoys the shit out of me to be honest because it would be the perfect day for Clay shooting, but I guess it has something to do with, I don't know, holidays, religion or whatever, because they're also closed on holidays, so they don't open on the shooting range where I'm at their close to the holidays, so they're only open Thursday Friday and Saturday, so 05:01.842 --> 05:06.106 [SPEAKER_04]: which also annoys the shit out of me because you might have classes mostly on those days. 05:06.286 --> 05:07.267 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 05:07.567 --> 05:07.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 05:08.127 --> 05:19.456 [SPEAKER_02]: I even went in case shooting on Saturday after the class, so I called the guy who wants the range and told him that I'm almost done with the class and usually they close at five. 05:19.757 --> 05:25.161 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's 30 degrees outside the sun is shining and they close their shooting range at five. 05:25.261 --> 05:25.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Who does that? 05:26.462 --> 05:42.008 [SPEAKER_02]: I called him at I think 445 or something so close to Wander about to close the range and he said he can't leave it open for half an hour longer and then I went after the class and said it and I went for three rounds to the to the range. 05:42.508 --> 05:47.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you do classes, like we usually do our classes Friday, Saturday and Sunday. 05:47.851 --> 05:51.193 [SPEAKER_02]: So if it's raining a Thursday, you miss a whole week. 05:51.574 --> 05:57.797 [SPEAKER_02]: So then the week after that might also be raining or whatever and then you lose two weeks. 05:58.017 --> 06:04.982 [SPEAKER_02]: But this guy obviously doesn't need the money because otherwise, it would open that the shooting range like, let's say for five days a week or something. 06:05.582 --> 06:07.885 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, not everybody works 24 hours a day. 06:08.105 --> 06:11.108 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it sounds very racist, we, some people like to go home. 06:11.128 --> 06:14.012 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's a 24 hours a day. 06:14.052 --> 06:19.798 [SPEAKER_02]: It means that they opened it nine in the morning and they closed it five for three days a week. 06:20.118 --> 06:21.140 [SPEAKER_02]: And no, it's a lot of work. 06:21.180 --> 06:25.825 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have to take care of the range, and they have to clean the range, and they have to fill up the machines and stuff. 06:26.185 --> 06:31.527 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a lot of work, but still, give me one more day, or maybe two more days, or hire someone. 06:31.607 --> 06:33.428 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a cash call. 06:33.448 --> 06:37.449 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a money-making machine, these shooting ranges, at least some of them are. 06:38.149 --> 06:45.732 [SPEAKER_02]: So you put the money they make, they could, they could easily hire an employee who wants the range, let's say, Wednesdays, right? 06:46.012 --> 06:50.536 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe if you bribe him with like a like a small outdoor knife. 06:50.576 --> 06:54.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Trust, trust, I've, I've tried, I've tried. 06:54.539 --> 06:55.861 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but whatever you want me to. 06:55.981 --> 06:58.683 [SPEAKER_02]: Not, not just with a knife with a class, whatever. 06:58.763 --> 07:00.424 [SPEAKER_02]: But this, I mean, he's super nice. 07:00.485 --> 07:01.265 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong. 07:01.385 --> 07:04.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Super nice, very, very friendly, very polite, everything. 07:05.269 --> 07:08.892 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like a British gentleman, so super nice. 07:08.952 --> 07:12.315 [SPEAKER_02]: But he wants to do a class with us because he knows what I'm doing. 07:12.895 --> 07:23.843 [SPEAKER_02]: for for living and last week he asked me how these classes work and she wants to do a class with his or with with the lady who helps him and the president of the shooting club. 07:24.403 --> 07:30.888 [SPEAKER_02]: So which is nice because I like all these people and I'm a super nice people but still give me give me another day one more day. 07:31.008 --> 07:34.470 [SPEAKER_04]: Then you're going to make something special like some gun barrel the mask isn't like that. 07:34.630 --> 07:35.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've done that. 07:36.031 --> 07:42.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know that we've we've made gun barrel the mask is Yeah, which looked awesome because it was a three colored the mask is so it was a gun barrel. 07:43.395 --> 07:44.575 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it even was a shotgun. 07:44.735 --> 07:47.057 [SPEAKER_02]: Then it was rod iron and 07:48.097 --> 07:50.218 [SPEAKER_02]: what was the third ten and a five or something. 07:50.538 --> 07:57.521 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a three-colored Damascus, but we didn't know what the gun barrel would look like and it finished on the Damascus, but it looked awesome. 07:57.541 --> 08:04.144 [SPEAKER_02]: We only made one billet and we sold the knife to a young chef, which is a friend of ours for very little money. 08:04.344 --> 08:09.466 [SPEAKER_02]: And I noticed because he brought the knife back last week for makeover and for sharpening and stuff. 08:09.486 --> 08:11.847 [SPEAKER_02]: So I saw the blade again, which is super nice. 08:12.227 --> 08:14.708 [SPEAKER_02]: After I think it was the years ago or something. 08:17.949 --> 08:24.216 [SPEAKER_04]: So you got a nice different color range with the etching and stuff using three different deals. 08:24.256 --> 08:27.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was gray silver and black. 08:27.479 --> 08:29.241 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like normal. 08:29.461 --> 08:36.168 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's other combinations as well where you can get the three colored Damascus, but it was, but we didn't know how to would turn out. 08:36.349 --> 08:39.352 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, in the apex core, so it was also laminated. 08:39.712 --> 08:47.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we didn't know if the gun barrel was a good seal for cutting edge, you know, so that's why we used it as a cladding. 08:47.878 --> 08:48.578 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my week. 08:48.918 --> 08:50.319 [SPEAKER_04]: My week. 08:50.339 --> 08:55.503 [SPEAKER_04]: I am working on making some molds for a custom ribbon burner size. 08:55.663 --> 08:59.786 [SPEAKER_04]: A custom reminding wants to build a bigger ribbon burner forage. 09:00.526 --> 09:05.450 [SPEAKER_04]: It needs to larger burner, so ordering all the parts and stuff to make the 09:05.750 --> 09:06.050 [SPEAKER_04]: jigged. 09:06.451 --> 09:11.816 [SPEAKER_04]: So I can pour these and work a little bit more on my folder that we talked about last week. 09:11.876 --> 09:12.597 [SPEAKER_04]: Blades hardened. 09:12.777 --> 09:15.280 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a little bit warped. 09:16.121 --> 09:22.747 [SPEAKER_04]: The way mine's put together the pivot, like the radius where the pivot pin is, is at the bottom of the blade. 09:22.767 --> 09:24.829 [SPEAKER_04]: So where the tang would be if it was a regular knife. 09:25.290 --> 09:28.313 [SPEAKER_04]: And that just that one little tab section warped on me. 09:29.054 --> 09:43.168 [SPEAKER_04]: And luckily it was warped to the side away from where the bearing runs so I didn't have to wear about hitting the bearing track and I just put the blade against the wall so I could 09:43.668 --> 10:07.022 [SPEAKER_04]: like ride the carbide hammer on along the wall and make sure that I hit in the right area and not on the edge or the tab or anything flip a tab and it worked pretty good so it's all scented and hardened and I got the handle basic shape by the handle I just got to go up in the grits and lock and everything is working good so maybe next week sometime I'll get to grind the blade 10:11.325 --> 10:19.211 [SPEAKER_04]: After doing all that then I started going online and trying to source some quantities of all the parts and stuff we need to build a folder. 10:19.231 --> 10:31.040 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm going to make some kind of a template hardened template and then get all the right drill bits and pivot some screws and everything that we need to put one of these together and get all. 10:31.600 --> 10:32.881 [SPEAKER_04]: some folder parts going online. 10:32.941 --> 10:34.481 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'd like to make a decent kit. 10:35.042 --> 10:40.564 [SPEAKER_04]: There's some kits out there to build folders, but they're either one that you just, the folder's already cut and finish for you. 10:40.604 --> 10:41.585 [SPEAKER_04]: You just gotta put it together. 10:41.605 --> 10:42.505 [SPEAKER_04]: So you see how it works. 10:43.826 --> 10:46.807 [SPEAKER_04]: And other ones are, um, I don't know. 10:47.507 --> 11:01.289 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a couple of them in the US, I don't know if there's any available in Europe where you can buy like hard and steel templates, but they're usually drilled already to the size, like the pivot screw would be in stuff, and I think it's a lot easier if you. 11:02.751 --> 11:22.368 [SPEAKER_04]: just do everything in like a two millimeter hole and that way you can like spot everything with two millimeter pins so once you get all those and you can work and get your holes bigger just makes it easier to line everything up anything's off even the tiny is bit and it doesn't work very well. 11:22.985 --> 11:28.329 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going to be in the kit, and what steps will the customer have to do? 11:28.649 --> 11:33.012 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, just the basic kit would be some thin steel, like liner thickness. 11:33.352 --> 11:45.241 [SPEAKER_04]: That's hardened and pre-drilled already, or at least, like I said, everything, all the holes in just 2 mm, so you can transfer it easier on to be a titanium or stainless steel, whatever you're going to use for liners. 11:45.761 --> 11:50.024 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm not sure how I'll put the kit together. 11:51.465 --> 12:04.097 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll have to sell like just the template by itself and then I don't know if I'll do the template with all the screws and bits and stuff because if people already have some of these things at home, then they wouldn't buy a little kid. 12:04.117 --> 12:13.265 [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe I'll just offer in two different sections with like all the drill bits, countersinks and everything that you need to get started and then after that you can just what are what you need. 12:16.192 --> 12:23.812 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think by the time I get it off figure out, by the time I get it off figure out, we'll probably do enough the plastic together we'll see. 12:24.477 --> 12:24.838 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect. 12:25.398 --> 12:27.219 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of surprised Pauli didn't jump in. 12:27.559 --> 12:28.020 [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted. 12:28.860 --> 12:29.681 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want that. 12:29.741 --> 12:31.122 [SPEAKER_02]: You were too late. 12:31.182 --> 12:31.602 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. 12:31.722 --> 12:31.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Free? 12:32.043 --> 12:33.223 [SPEAKER_03]: What? 12:33.303 --> 12:33.544 [SPEAKER_03]: Free? 12:33.564 --> 12:35.585 [SPEAKER_03]: Free? 12:35.605 --> 12:36.846 [SPEAKER_03]: Do I smell something free? 12:37.346 --> 12:37.807 [SPEAKER_03]: For free? 12:38.167 --> 12:38.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. 12:38.647 --> 12:38.947 [SPEAKER_03]: Fine. 12:39.208 --> 12:39.548 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 12:39.588 --> 12:43.851 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a great idea and actually doing the templates would be quite, quite easy. 12:43.871 --> 12:50.736 [SPEAKER_03]: You can get them, I guess, laser cut, with the whole smart to don't have to do any drilling yourself and just, you know, 12:52.773 --> 12:55.796 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, maybe even not hardened would be also good. 12:56.276 --> 12:57.617 [SPEAKER_03]: You just have to mark those holes. 12:57.637 --> 13:01.441 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to actually use it for drilling, because you are drilling thin material. 13:01.501 --> 13:06.385 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, some good center punch on the holes and the tracer. 13:06.425 --> 13:06.965 [SPEAKER_03]: Not really. 13:07.526 --> 13:07.786 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 13:08.006 --> 13:08.727 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13:09.748 --> 13:11.109 [SPEAKER_04]: And it would be extremely cheap. 13:11.349 --> 13:15.132 [SPEAKER_04]: The, the, what I got so far, all the basic screws like for the liner, 13:16.233 --> 13:27.917 [SPEAKER_04]: for the handles to the liner and stuff like that is easy to pivot and the pivot screws themselves are tough to find or at least find with the compatible countable. 13:28.118 --> 13:36.841 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm working on finding a countable or get them custom made first and then I'll get the screws to match because that's always a pain in the asset. 13:36.881 --> 13:40.022 [SPEAKER_04]: If anybody's ever started making fold is to find the correct 13:41.103 --> 13:45.006 [SPEAKER_04]: it's that you need to sync the pivot both itself with the pivot screw. 13:45.787 --> 13:46.567 [SPEAKER_04]: It's always a hassle. 13:47.148 --> 13:48.529 [SPEAKER_04]: And carbide is crazy right now. 13:48.589 --> 13:55.294 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, carbide prices just went down and they're supposed to go back up next month, so if anybody's buying bits get them now. 13:56.475 --> 13:58.617 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you know they are supposed to go back up? 13:59.358 --> 14:03.241 [SPEAKER_04]: Because my supplier said so unless they were just trying to get me to buy it. 14:05.851 --> 14:10.433 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I saw, I saw that the carbide mentally little bit down. 14:11.413 --> 14:12.714 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, then I have to buy. 14:13.014 --> 14:16.555 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm doing most of my machine with carbide. 14:16.575 --> 14:34.102 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, and that's cheap now and that's cheap actually everything that is manufactured is I mean nobody uses HSS But it's anymore so everything is going to be more expensive everything 14:35.462 --> 14:41.746 [SPEAKER_04]: All the short edited version of your week, so we can get a guest on, what did you do this week? 14:41.866 --> 14:47.950 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, easy, easy, I've already done like 40 minutes of renting. 14:49.390 --> 14:53.293 [SPEAKER_03]: So I got this out of my system, but when this is airing, 14:54.894 --> 15:10.957 [SPEAKER_03]: the new version is live on my website it's done guys it's done Varna's 2.0 it's done it is going now to be sold it is now sold on my website all of my email subscribers have gotten the email 15:12.097 --> 15:19.201 [SPEAKER_03]: which you can subscribe on about blaze.com so you don't miss out, I will send out the link to the long format videos. 15:19.321 --> 15:26.044 [SPEAKER_03]: I also put out a social media post about asking just to do a Q&A. 15:26.104 --> 15:33.888 [SPEAKER_03]: Got already got some questions in the DMs that I will do a Q&A section in the long format videos. 15:34.888 --> 15:35.248 [SPEAKER_03]: video. 15:35.568 --> 15:37.489 [SPEAKER_03]: So find everything is moving. 15:37.809 --> 15:38.509 [SPEAKER_03]: It's exciting. 15:38.869 --> 15:39.309 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great. 15:39.709 --> 15:45.451 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the changes on the knife and I cannot wait to start starting just bump out those babies. 15:47.071 --> 15:52.193 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really excited to go on and work on the next knife. 15:53.253 --> 15:58.815 [SPEAKER_03]: This year should be the year of mirror leasing final in the models because I have so many in the works. 15:59.795 --> 16:11.019 [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy and it's been years that I've had those prototypes and just changing small things, you know, just looking at the details and just iterating a little bit by little bit. 16:11.940 --> 16:16.681 [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's the year of finally finishing some projects. 16:18.482 --> 16:27.325 [SPEAKER_03]: really excited really good and at least I let off some steam in the pre-show which luckily is not, he's not the air. 16:28.326 --> 16:30.106 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah that's about my week. 16:30.187 --> 16:33.388 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really excited kids about your folder 16:35.889 --> 16:44.353 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw that you sent me some videos, sadly I did not have the time to watch them, but I just saw a few pics of the knife itself looks great, man. 16:45.393 --> 16:51.436 [SPEAKER_03]: And you've got me really fired up that I should also move the folder project that I have been. 16:53.977 --> 16:54.257 [SPEAKER_04]: You know. 16:54.898 --> 16:56.939 [SPEAKER_03]: Inspiration on Keith, thank you so much. 16:57.479 --> 16:57.780 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 16:58.340 --> 16:58.900 [SPEAKER_03]: That's about maybe. 16:59.301 --> 16:59.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Perfect. 16:59.741 --> 17:03.303 [SPEAKER_04]: Then let's introduce our guests this week. 17:03.323 --> 17:07.186 [SPEAKER_04]: We have Oliver Silbernaugle from Fallen Scott Bleeds. 17:07.646 --> 17:08.647 [SPEAKER_04]: Oliver, welcome to the show. 17:09.107 --> 17:09.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, guys. 17:09.668 --> 17:10.168 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing? 17:11.249 --> 17:11.449 [SPEAKER_04]: Good. 17:11.509 --> 17:12.770 [SPEAKER_04]: Good after that long intro. 17:13.090 --> 17:13.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 17:13.951 --> 17:18.173 [SPEAKER_00]: It was nice to hear Pauli complaining about AI. 17:20.435 --> 17:21.896 [SPEAKER_00]: And we really thanks for having me. 17:23.810 --> 17:35.175 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so Oliver is from Austria and it looks like from your Instagram, your earliest posts was 2019, is that when you got started in knife making? 17:36.839 --> 17:40.060 [SPEAKER_00]: So now you know more about my Instagram than me. 17:40.520 --> 18:04.064 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really, I made my first knife back in I think 2011 after some of my friends took a knife making class in Salzburg back then I don't had the money for that so I thought I can do it alone took another friend we bought some files and made the first knife for for two to Sweden with our 18:06.105 --> 18:25.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then I got hooked, made the second and third knife, I think 2 or 3 years later, started hardening myself and so on, and maybe in 2019 something like this, I started to buy the first tools and so on, yeah, and then it grew and grew. 18:26.385 --> 18:32.449 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess if you make a knife for the file and you still like it, at the end of that, then you will cut out to be a knife maker. 18:33.409 --> 18:34.070 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a lot of work. 18:35.571 --> 18:40.834 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was a lot of work, but we'll learn it back then in school and higher technical school. 18:41.674 --> 18:44.096 [SPEAKER_00]: We had to work for our files a lot. 18:44.356 --> 18:47.898 [SPEAKER_00]: So we, me and my friend, we have been used to. 18:49.539 --> 18:55.162 [SPEAKER_00]: It was nice to have something in hand beside working in the office as a 18:56.263 --> 19:19.861 [SPEAKER_00]: Also on your website it also says you started the website at least as established 2024 Are you you're not full-time right this is how he still no I'm not full-time is it's still a hobby I have my a full-time date shop and let's say the night shop is making some knives Once again beside the the date shop what is in the office. 19:20.762 --> 19:22.063 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to see to 19:22.863 --> 19:27.285 [SPEAKER_00]: See something meet by hand and to be used on the weekends outside. 19:27.685 --> 19:28.565 [SPEAKER_02]: What's their day job? 19:28.605 --> 19:32.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Does it have something to do with craft or what do you do for a living? 19:33.127 --> 19:33.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a sales guy. 19:34.307 --> 19:35.367 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you sell? 19:36.608 --> 19:38.369 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think knives? 19:40.849 --> 19:43.650 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm a sales manager. 19:51.373 --> 19:54.714 [SPEAKER_00]: we're selling a system supplier for railway. 19:56.915 --> 19:58.656 [SPEAKER_00]: My special topic is Centirius. 19:59.396 --> 20:05.639 [SPEAKER_00]: So in example, you all might know no Polynot and ABB real-chit. 20:06.319 --> 20:15.042 [SPEAKER_00]: Here in Austria, my project back then was the tables, the logitrics, car end walls and so on. 20:15.842 --> 20:22.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's my day job and besides that, I'm making knives and getting more and more and more. 20:23.794 --> 20:26.036 [SPEAKER_04]: And mostly outdoor knives, right? 20:26.217 --> 20:31.382 [SPEAKER_04]: I think from your Instagram that you are from your name also, that you are a part of the scouts. 20:32.623 --> 20:34.104 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're thinking on a good kid? 20:34.745 --> 20:41.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have a, I'm, let's say, teacher of a scout group with scouts between 16 and 20. 20:44.763 --> 20:59.251 [SPEAKER_00]: So the oldest group or quite old old kids, let's say, and yes, I'm doing or I have on the on my home which mostly outdoor knives because I started without a knife from myself. 21:00.932 --> 21:16.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Afterwards, when I had enough for the moment for myself, I started with different versions of Kitchen Mifes, because it was much easier to give them as presents to family and friends. 21:17.335 --> 21:25.177 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, then I got back to the roots, and currently I'm mostly doing outdoor nifes just some 21:31.479 --> 21:42.145 [SPEAKER_00]: The customer would like to get what he sees on the Instagram page mostly or on the homepage, so no photos of those or not that much, let's see. 21:42.246 --> 21:47.469 [SPEAKER_03]: Looking at your pictures, I have a question about your sheets. 21:47.569 --> 21:49.550 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you do any kaydox work? 21:49.590 --> 21:56.835 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I've seen in the past that you've done a few sheets in kaydox, but currently do you work with it? 21:57.306 --> 22:12.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do, I do kydex sheets and I do letter sheets but I do the photos as soon as the knife is finished so I don't have much photos of the of the finished knife with the sheets. 22:13.378 --> 22:16.100 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which you prefer a letter or kydex? 22:18.062 --> 22:19.203 [SPEAKER_00]: That's depending on the knife. 22:20.363 --> 22:23.586 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, which one do you like, which one do you like to work with more? 22:24.508 --> 22:26.633 [SPEAKER_00]: to work with, um, with guys to make it. 22:27.214 --> 22:35.972 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to work with critics more than then with later, uh, I like later mode and critics, but I like get to work with critics because it's just faster. 22:36.453 --> 22:41.537 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, hmm, I personally, I hate paradox, but I hate letter 2. 22:44.660 --> 22:52.207 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I hate it and it's so, it's hot and it's floppy and it's like, all over the place, I just like steel, I just like steel. 22:52.467 --> 22:59.513 [SPEAKER_03]: And talking about steel, I've seen that most of your knives have haments, right, or almost, 23:00.111 --> 23:00.892 [SPEAKER_03]: 100% of those? 23:01.913 --> 23:02.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Not anymore. 23:02.753 --> 23:14.923 [SPEAKER_00]: If the first one's yes, when I made my second or third knife, I have seen some pictures about her mom, knives or her mom's on knives. 23:15.703 --> 23:16.824 [SPEAKER_00]: So I had to try it myself. 23:17.225 --> 23:21.268 [SPEAKER_00]: I've made the first her mom in my, in my grill. 23:22.349 --> 23:26.952 [SPEAKER_00]: Was, was hard work because I burnt the full surface and had to remove everything. 23:29.894 --> 23:32.756 [SPEAKER_00]: I was able to achieve a himon. 23:33.216 --> 23:52.706 [SPEAKER_00]: Currently, I'm more working or started working, not on that high-polished ones, but the stonework, I have made some stonework plates and currently I'm working on a small batch of CDC-style plates. 23:54.467 --> 23:57.569 [SPEAKER_00]: And those will be my first ones, I'm zero-coated. 23:58.867 --> 24:26.675 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting, fun colors or just black, um, field strip, so brown, interesting, interesting, I like that, and I mean, you're working I guess mostly with carbon steel, um, at least, you know, if you want to do some homo, so if you need a set of coat coating on that, do you have the preference for a specific steel that you'll love to work with or, I mean, 24:28.567 --> 24:30.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 24:30.288 --> 24:43.439 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard that you can get hormones on 1095, but I've heard also people really think like the spicy white steel that they can get crazy hormones. 24:43.459 --> 24:47.022 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe do you have any preference on steels that you like to work with? 24:47.871 --> 24:57.014 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, for the hormones, I tried some different ones, but currently I stick to 10.95, because I have more or less my recipe and know what works. 24:57.934 --> 25:01.695 [SPEAKER_00]: And up to now, I have not really broken blades. 25:04.436 --> 25:07.457 [SPEAKER_00]: And the dead works good for me, and I keep that. 25:08.637 --> 25:13.979 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess they are prone to warping, just because of the uneven hardening of the blade, right? 25:14.524 --> 25:19.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's a problem, but it's it's okay with with single plates. 25:19.847 --> 25:20.727 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a problem. 25:20.747 --> 25:28.191 [SPEAKER_00]: What I've seen now with with a small series using 1095 or now I'm using the HUCO we do. 25:28.852 --> 25:30.973 [SPEAKER_00]: The warping is a big issue. 25:31.253 --> 25:39.717 [SPEAKER_00]: I never had this kind of warping with let's say some of the stainless ones so EBL or something like this. 25:40.978 --> 25:50.760 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, sometimes for the, um, uh, for the carbon steel, uh, the warpings is a problem, at least on my hand side. 25:53.260 --> 25:56.981 [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess it's, uh, when you try to get the hormone, right? 25:57.501 --> 25:58.301 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's not like that. 25:58.741 --> 25:59.342 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, yeah. 25:59.702 --> 26:05.523 [SPEAKER_03]: And do they bent on the part where it's, but the hormone is actually, or do they bend somewhere in the handle? 26:08.025 --> 26:08.907 [SPEAKER_03]: You have to like to dance. 26:08.987 --> 26:09.928 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice answer. 26:10.069 --> 26:13.074 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a nice answer. 26:13.675 --> 26:15.879 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they do whatever they want, and I don't know why. 26:16.500 --> 26:16.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 26:17.021 --> 26:19.605 [SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible. 26:19.806 --> 26:21.649 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you quenching facing north? 26:23.357 --> 26:25.278 [SPEAKER_00]: No soft. 26:25.378 --> 26:25.898 [SPEAKER_03]: In 95. 26:25.958 --> 26:26.358 [SPEAKER_03]: Problems. 26:26.378 --> 26:26.658 [SPEAKER_00]: 1095. 26:26.758 --> 26:28.679 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's need to pick one soft. 26:29.339 --> 26:29.560 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 26:30.020 --> 26:30.120 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah. 26:30.900 --> 26:31.240 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 26:31.700 --> 26:33.321 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 26:33.341 --> 26:35.002 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why you're getting problems on ATCRV2. 26:35.022 --> 26:35.442 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess. 26:35.522 --> 26:38.223 [SPEAKER_03]: It needs to be a lot. 26:38.603 --> 26:39.684 [SPEAKER_03]: A few degrees today. 26:41.304 --> 26:42.525 [SPEAKER_03]: To the other side, baby. 26:42.905 --> 26:45.047 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 26:45.627 --> 26:54.234 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, looking at your knives, and I remember when I saw those on last year in knife show Austria, you have a very striking design. 26:54.635 --> 26:56.216 [SPEAKER_03]: These are very, very nice. 26:56.356 --> 27:04.302 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not to say, these are really nicely made, but they are also, you know, look like nothing else that I've seen. 27:04.883 --> 27:07.265 [SPEAKER_03]: They are really, really interesting to look at. 27:07.685 --> 27:18.950 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe you could share, you know, maybe do you have some inspirations in the knife world or, you know, where do you look at if you want to get, you know, inspired. 27:19.590 --> 27:20.991 [SPEAKER_00]: For inspiration, it's hard. 27:21.591 --> 27:28.894 [SPEAKER_00]: My handles are mostly, or they came from the kitchen knives in between when I started out with the, 27:29.915 --> 27:39.625 [SPEAKER_00]: The first place I've done for art, and I've had the standard round handles and never was very excited about them. 27:40.967 --> 27:50.197 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to index those plates and so on, and when I got to the kitchen knives, I've seen some kitchen knives with facets on it and tried it. 27:53.120 --> 28:08.272 [SPEAKER_00]: And they'll often also, how they are in the hand, how to index them and try the first ones on smaller kitchen knives, and then on outdoor knives, and yes, now I'm sticking with it because I really like it. 28:09.749 --> 28:32.934 [SPEAKER_03]: And like you have really nice defined groups, crisp facets on the handles, do you have like any did it came to you easily you know the process of making them or did you have to figure out how to make them you know you can get really nice facets on one handle scale and then you have to match them perfectly on the other side and I guess it takes a lot of time practice and 28:33.974 --> 28:43.102 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and you also have to finish them nicely, so maybe you could share it a little bit of light on the process how you are making those handles, how you are grinding them and finishing them. 28:44.323 --> 28:57.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I fought long time about making some tools or something like this to achieve the facets, but I've been happy with it, so I'm doing everything by hand, freehand grinding on the facets. 28:58.494 --> 28:59.455 [SPEAKER_00]: As you mentioned, the first 28:59.915 --> 29:01.217 [SPEAKER_00]: The first handle is no problem. 29:01.838 --> 29:03.179 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is the second handle. 29:04.782 --> 29:15.075 [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest problem is if you like to make 12 plates looking the same, then you have the first side, what is easy and afterwards you have 23 handles. 29:17.258 --> 29:33.578 [SPEAKER_03]: Which I pick problem yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I face the same problem and you know when when you are the maker You want all the same knives looking the same the exact same and I mean to the fraction of a millimeter 29:34.579 --> 29:42.922 [SPEAKER_03]: and if you see and you see that one knife is a little bit different and a little bit maybe longer faster to something like that it really bugs me. 29:43.262 --> 29:53.246 [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess for the customer it does not really matter because they are not buying all of those 12 knives and they are not comparing them as we do. 29:53.826 --> 29:55.387 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's something that I have to fight. 29:55.959 --> 30:22.972 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's this correct, but that was my main problem in first stage to be honest now I have given up to have every single knife looking exactly the same, because for me currently it's not possible doing everything by hand without any toolings, they look very, very similar, the left and the right side of the handle is the same, but doing 12 really, really, 30:24.473 --> 30:29.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, similar, uh, was too much work for me to be honest. 30:30.517 --> 30:34.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is I'm currently working or started the facets on the handles. 30:35.540 --> 30:36.841 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm still thinking about it. 30:37.321 --> 30:38.422 [SPEAKER_00]: I finished the first two. 30:38.722 --> 30:39.423 [SPEAKER_00]: They're looking good. 30:40.103 --> 30:42.204 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's see what what the next week will bring. 30:42.224 --> 30:45.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll have to see and for the finishing. 30:46.167 --> 30:47.848 [SPEAKER_03]: So we do some hand finishing, right? 30:48.188 --> 30:48.388 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, 30:53.400 --> 30:53.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 30:54.280 --> 30:55.621 [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's understanding. 30:56.861 --> 30:58.001 [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel so sorry for you. 30:58.362 --> 30:58.642 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 30:58.742 --> 30:59.422 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand. 30:59.742 --> 31:05.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everyone could just push a button and wait until they're finished. 31:05.564 --> 31:05.864 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it? 31:05.884 --> 31:06.104 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 31:06.724 --> 31:06.964 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 31:07.184 --> 31:07.944 [SPEAKER_03]: That AL. 31:09.685 --> 31:10.345 [SPEAKER_03]: You love that. 31:10.725 --> 31:11.185 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 31:11.325 --> 31:11.665 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 31:11.786 --> 31:12.046 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 31:12.466 --> 31:13.446 [SPEAKER_03]: That is the dream, man. 31:13.626 --> 31:14.486 [SPEAKER_03]: That is a dream, just. 31:14.806 --> 31:15.707 [SPEAKER_03]: Press a button and have. 31:16.387 --> 31:16.867 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 31:16.887 --> 31:17.707 [SPEAKER_03]: My handles, girls. 31:18.127 --> 31:19.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you could make my handles in future. 31:20.827 --> 31:22.269 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, shoot me a DM. 31:22.629 --> 31:24.231 [SPEAKER_03]: We can talk about something. 31:24.612 --> 31:28.276 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know if you want some G-ten handles kills. 31:28.296 --> 31:29.498 [SPEAKER_03]: I know a very good supplier. 31:30.959 --> 31:37.607 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I finished my handle project first probably that was like two years ago Yep, it was three years ago 31:39.069 --> 31:51.969 [SPEAKER_03]: I look, look, okay, it's fine, we'll talk about it after the show, it's fine, it's not funny, but talking about something you wouldn't have to worry about. 31:52.798 --> 32:08.771 [SPEAKER_03]: Kills, Kills, Kills, this show is sponsored by MiniHell.eu, the wonderful Kills that are made in Poland by our good friend Baltazar, really 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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I got it with your code. 33:03.449 --> 33:05.469 [SPEAKER_00]: I think two months ago, and I really love it. 33:06.509 --> 33:07.329 [SPEAKER_03]: Hell, yes. 33:08.510 --> 33:09.310 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, you. 33:09.790 --> 33:14.271 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, did you get it with the simple controller or with the fanspanthewon? 33:14.611 --> 33:15.571 [SPEAKER_03]: No, with the simple one. 33:16.451 --> 33:17.411 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have the same. 33:17.611 --> 33:19.552 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so easy. 33:19.612 --> 33:20.772 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy. 33:21.092 --> 33:22.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just love it. 33:23.873 --> 33:26.193 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it is it a three face or one face? 33:26.970 --> 33:28.871 [SPEAKER_03]: I won't face one face. 33:29.452 --> 33:30.673 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a three phase one. 33:32.054 --> 33:43.682 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how long is the heat up time for your, you know, like specific temperature 25 minutes 30 minutes or no way. 33:44.222 --> 33:44.903 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's quick. 33:45.443 --> 33:47.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, it's it's really, really quick. 33:47.365 --> 33:50.827 [SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering it was quicker than it was mentioned on the homepage. 33:52.725 --> 33:58.169 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, in this case, there is nothing to be mad about. 33:58.189 --> 33:59.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sure. 34:03.184 --> 34:12.051 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's it's so nice to hear from our guests and our listeners who are using a mini-all.io kilns sending your feedback if you like. 34:12.071 --> 34:16.134 [SPEAKER_03]: You could share that, talk about that, blah, blah, blah, so you know. 34:16.775 --> 34:29.484 [SPEAKER_04]: So for all these knife handles that you're making on your website, you can make the same models over and over again, do you have like a template to get you like in the area of the right 34:33.363 --> 34:40.766 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just out from my head and checking with the eye mostly. 34:41.287 --> 34:47.529 [SPEAKER_00]: And when finishing by hand with the caliper, but there's no template or something like this. 34:48.090 --> 35:01.496 [SPEAKER_00]: So all the knives are generally looking very similar, but depending, at least on the custom or what he likes to, some of them, like it a little bit thicker, some of them, like it a little bit longer. 35:02.496 --> 35:14.121 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's say the what the customer at least can decide and I work it out that it looks fine in the end. 35:14.161 --> 35:18.583 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you've been a customer of mine for a while and we met for the first time. 35:18.623 --> 35:21.344 [SPEAKER_04]: I think everybody remembers that. 35:21.425 --> 35:23.145 [SPEAKER_04]: That was the one of the highlights of the show. 35:23.525 --> 35:26.207 [SPEAKER_04]: But you're going to have a table this year, right? 35:27.047 --> 35:27.527 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 35:27.567 --> 35:29.148 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with knife shows here again. 35:30.698 --> 35:32.199 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really great fun last year. 35:35.561 --> 35:38.843 [SPEAKER_02]: And... Like this is the first year we have a table right? 35:39.444 --> 35:39.624 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 35:41.345 --> 35:42.446 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a table last year. 35:43.006 --> 35:43.346 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 35:44.247 --> 35:45.968 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been beside Albert. 35:46.468 --> 35:47.549 [SPEAKER_02]: Next to ours, yes. 35:47.789 --> 35:48.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 35:48.650 --> 35:50.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Best neighbor ever. 35:51.332 --> 35:51.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks. 35:51.812 --> 35:54.714 [SPEAKER_02]: I better better this material guy on the other side. 35:57.015 --> 35:58.056 [SPEAKER_04]: Why what did you get for free? 35:58.817 --> 35:59.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing. 36:01.829 --> 36:04.231 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just super nice to meet them. 36:04.631 --> 36:10.456 [SPEAKER_02]: It helps if you get along with your neighbors, because then they can look after a booth or table when you... 36:10.536 --> 36:11.897 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, just correct. 36:12.637 --> 36:14.279 [SPEAKER_02]: Get something to eat or whatever, yeah? 36:15.219 --> 36:15.840 [SPEAKER_00]: Or some beers? 36:16.560 --> 36:17.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Or beer, yeah? 36:17.701 --> 36:19.242 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, hopefully again, just here. 36:20.503 --> 36:22.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's see where very puts us. 36:23.145 --> 36:26.628 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I saw already the layout. 36:27.349 --> 36:27.649 [SPEAKER_04]: Really? 36:32.865 --> 36:36.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been to Hoover some weeks ago and told me nothing. 36:36.707 --> 36:40.410 [SPEAKER_04]: Soon enough, it's a tool, so we're not there far away. 36:41.410 --> 36:41.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 36:41.871 --> 36:50.036 [SPEAKER_04]: You have knives that you're going to make special for the show or you bring your standard line up from the website. 36:51.588 --> 36:53.248 [SPEAKER_00]: not fully sure about it yet. 36:54.549 --> 36:58.650 [SPEAKER_00]: I have in the beginning August, I am on survival rally. 36:59.630 --> 37:03.791 [SPEAKER_00]: There I have to bring the ones I am that are currently in the making. 37:05.331 --> 37:07.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Then let's see what is left afterwards. 37:08.172 --> 37:09.572 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully a lot. 37:10.232 --> 37:17.614 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will decide later on what to do or what to make a special part, so special nice for the for the knife shots. 37:22.134 --> 37:23.194 [SPEAKER_00]: What is survival really? 37:23.274 --> 37:45.427 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an outdoor event where you have to walk, I think, around course of 12 kilometers with six stations in between where you have to work out some push craft or survival skill related stations. 37:48.547 --> 37:57.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and besides that, there's some some workshops and some training for pushcraft and so I will. 37:58.976 --> 38:08.885 [SPEAKER_00]: And you also have a, um, sit called, uh, fair, sounds, sounds great sounds like the exact client tells that you want to be looking at. 38:09.065 --> 38:11.467 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, yeah, sounds sounds really good. 38:11.871 --> 38:12.551 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course. 38:12.691 --> 38:14.252 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really looking forward to it. 38:15.372 --> 38:18.633 [SPEAKER_00]: I was asked if I would like to go there. 38:18.933 --> 38:23.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year, it was a little bit too short for me to provide everything. 38:24.155 --> 38:26.496 [SPEAKER_00]: But this year, yes, really looking forward to it. 38:27.076 --> 38:27.596 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're nice. 38:27.616 --> 38:29.577 [SPEAKER_04]: We're using some of the challenges also. 38:30.197 --> 38:31.998 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure about that yet. 38:33.738 --> 38:35.999 [SPEAKER_00]: We're currently working everything out. 38:36.039 --> 38:37.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there will be 38:39.569 --> 38:52.603 [SPEAKER_00]: some challenges or some things we do at our booth on the fair but it's not finally decided yet so the cool event have you participated in it before 38:53.582 --> 38:56.483 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's, I think it's the third time last year. 38:57.243 --> 39:00.404 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't catch it at the first time. 39:00.964 --> 39:04.645 [SPEAKER_00]: They made it, it was just the rally itself without the fear. 39:05.385 --> 39:07.546 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's still growing. 39:08.766 --> 39:15.928 [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of challenges they have, like, to make fire, fire-making stations and then you move on to the next? 39:16.649 --> 39:19.769 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was one was fire-making, then shooting. 39:23.608 --> 39:27.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know what the, the other's have been. 39:30.070 --> 39:38.573 [SPEAKER_00]: I think doing some not obstacle course, something like this, um, and they have two different varieties. 39:38.593 --> 39:44.435 [SPEAKER_00]: You can walk it without, um, anything, or with 15 kilograms on your back. 39:45.376 --> 39:46.996 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for your points, sir. 39:47.416 --> 39:48.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think so. 39:48.997 --> 39:51.878 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to, to weigh your back back up front. 39:53.725 --> 39:56.627 [SPEAKER_00]: and afterwards you have to walk around through. 39:57.468 --> 40:05.673 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you've got extra weight in your bag and you take a little bit longer at the challenge that even it out of something or is it, what's that on this time with the extra weights for? 40:06.273 --> 40:07.274 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so. 40:07.294 --> 40:09.916 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just divided in two groups. 40:10.936 --> 40:11.977 [SPEAKER_00]: The first group. 40:12.217 --> 40:14.018 [SPEAKER_00]: The easy one with without anything. 40:14.639 --> 40:20.703 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other one with the 15 kilogram backpack extra for the hard guys. 40:21.563 --> 40:25.032 [SPEAKER_02]: but you're organizing it, you're not participating in it. 40:25.052 --> 40:26.276 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm participating. 40:26.717 --> 40:27.780 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you participating? 40:28.020 --> 40:29.564 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just participating as... 40:30.115 --> 40:34.497 [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't know the challenges or what kind of challenges you have to take in a day. 40:34.517 --> 40:40.180 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they are just, maybe you can check out their Instagram page. 40:41.121 --> 40:48.825 [SPEAKER_00]: They are currently starting with showing all the different stages or stations. 40:48.885 --> 40:51.767 [SPEAKER_00]: They are doing, and they are the first ones they showed. 40:52.427 --> 41:01.032 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the fire making in the second one was shooting, but this time not with an air rifle, but with a crossbow. 41:01.613 --> 41:05.055 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at their website right now, 12 kilometers. 41:05.655 --> 41:08.097 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to be 16 years old to participate. 41:08.577 --> 41:09.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I do it have it? 41:09.958 --> 41:10.158 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 41:10.625 --> 41:11.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not? 41:12.567 --> 41:13.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Would be nice seeing you guys. 41:14.750 --> 41:16.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Polly. 41:17.593 --> 41:22.999 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I walk on foot from Lithuania to there, maybe they would award me some extra points. 41:23.039 --> 41:24.760 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but it's like... 41:24.780 --> 41:26.002 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sure, sure. 41:26.442 --> 41:28.525 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure Polly, you will get a free patch. 41:29.677 --> 41:30.157 [SPEAKER_00]: a free patch. 41:30.457 --> 41:32.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, fucking hell something for free. 41:32.538 --> 41:33.638 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, something for free. 41:33.698 --> 41:35.758 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm on my way. 41:35.798 --> 41:37.779 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to be in prison. 41:38.079 --> 41:39.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Just to be just to be clear. 41:39.979 --> 41:46.160 [SPEAKER_03]: So you are also participating in it as a participant, but you are also an exhibitor with your knives, right? 41:46.320 --> 41:47.441 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just an exhibitor. 41:47.561 --> 41:54.222 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm participating the course itself, but I'm exhibiting. 41:55.121 --> 41:55.801 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, okay. 41:55.982 --> 41:56.242 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 41:56.482 --> 41:56.922 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. 41:57.122 --> 41:57.783 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. 41:57.923 --> 42:01.445 [SPEAKER_03]: And when did you say it will be happening somewhere in the summer, right? 42:02.306 --> 42:05.428 [SPEAKER_00]: 7.8 of August of August. 42:05.588 --> 42:05.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. 42:06.008 --> 42:06.308 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 42:06.368 --> 42:07.409 [SPEAKER_03]: I will shoot you some DMs. 42:07.469 --> 42:08.149 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested. 42:08.209 --> 42:09.070 [SPEAKER_03]: How that will go. 42:09.190 --> 42:15.614 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it looks like the match of what you are making and the people that will be there is pretty good. 42:15.634 --> 42:16.375 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too. 42:16.755 --> 42:18.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Would be also interesting for you, Pauli. 42:19.720 --> 42:19.980 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 42:20.300 --> 42:20.880 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah. 42:21.000 --> 42:23.021 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, you can have it. 42:23.361 --> 42:26.502 [SPEAKER_03]: You can have a face mask. 42:26.722 --> 42:28.443 [SPEAKER_02]: How generous of you, Paul. 42:29.403 --> 42:30.283 [SPEAKER_03]: I am really good. 42:30.644 --> 42:31.564 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm changing. 42:31.684 --> 42:34.585 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, before I was, I was corrosive. 42:35.125 --> 42:35.785 [SPEAKER_03]: I was cheap. 42:36.005 --> 42:36.705 [SPEAKER_03]: Now look at me. 42:37.126 --> 42:38.346 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm giving away things. 42:38.646 --> 42:39.326 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, you know. 42:39.886 --> 42:40.887 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm changing, guys. 42:41.747 --> 42:43.268 [SPEAKER_03]: You've grown so much, Paulie. 42:43.908 --> 42:44.449 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thank you. 42:44.469 --> 42:45.069 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm impressed. 42:45.710 --> 42:46.070 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 42:46.590 --> 42:47.851 [SPEAKER_03]: Even Albert is impressed. 42:49.072 --> 42:51.093 [SPEAKER_03]: And now I haven't heard what sarcasm is. 42:54.835 --> 42:56.776 [SPEAKER_02]: But who's organizing this event? 42:57.837 --> 43:00.899 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys from Aichenwerk, it's called... Yeah. 43:01.019 --> 43:03.761 [SPEAKER_00]: They are shooting instructors mainly, I guess. 43:03.981 --> 43:06.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that don't tell anything wrong. 43:06.780 --> 43:09.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, okay, Emily, I can't at all. 43:09.361 --> 43:11.803 [SPEAKER_02]: She's, she's, she's big interest. 43:11.843 --> 43:12.683 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's I can work. 43:12.743 --> 43:13.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 43:13.583 --> 43:14.984 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the shooter you should know her. 43:15.744 --> 43:15.985 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 43:16.445 --> 43:20.947 [SPEAKER_04]: How about are you like part of like all these shooting things on Instagram too? 43:21.549 --> 43:28.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I follow a few people, yes, and there's something some of you can't avoid when you're in Austria, and she's one of them. 43:29.052 --> 43:33.733 [SPEAKER_03]: So, what do you mean you can't avoid if she's like stalking you? 43:34.274 --> 43:40.236 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but sooner or later, some are going to pop up in your feet as a recommendation, if you. 43:40.736 --> 43:42.036 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, okay. 43:42.196 --> 43:43.857 [SPEAKER_03]: So, she's active on... 43:44.217 --> 43:51.442 [SPEAKER_02]: She's very active, not just she does quite a few, but if you're into shooting, or is there a same with life-making, right? 43:51.482 --> 43:54.524 [SPEAKER_02]: So you get recommendations that the diagram knows you. 43:55.325 --> 44:04.491 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's targeted, of course, so this is an Austrian company, and I'm noticed that we are located in Austria. 44:04.992 --> 44:05.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 44:06.233 --> 44:07.233 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's one of the biggest 44:09.750 --> 44:11.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the biggest and best to far, I guess. 44:11.950 --> 44:12.271 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 44:12.591 --> 44:12.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 44:16.291 --> 44:17.131 [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking old man. 44:17.151 --> 44:21.812 [SPEAKER_03]: He got caught in the car. 44:21.852 --> 44:25.353 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, that was one, I swallowed it up. 44:25.673 --> 44:27.794 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't try it, don't try to swallow the whole cat. 44:27.834 --> 44:29.834 [SPEAKER_04]: You need to drink a little bit. 44:29.894 --> 44:31.574 [SPEAKER_04]: It was trying to get it in between, practicing. 44:36.595 --> 44:51.675 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, listeners, Keith is fighting for his life here, that's every day battle. 44:51.815 --> 44:53.917 [SPEAKER_03]: Going a little bit back to life making Oliver. 44:54.778 --> 45:22.849 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 45:24.449 --> 45:28.070 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, should I just forgot the question that I wanted to ask? 45:28.530 --> 45:32.832 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a professional show of fighting for my life though, too. 45:33.572 --> 45:40.534 [SPEAKER_03]: But now, okay, maybe would you like to spill some ideas on the sharpening process that you are doing it? 45:41.614 --> 45:46.959 [SPEAKER_03]: You are doing it as a part-time, as a hobby, what system do you have, what the pros do you have? 45:47.820 --> 45:57.569 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been talking with some knife makers, and they all do have very different approaches to sharpening, and especially burr removal, so would you like to, you know, spell some means. 45:57.909 --> 46:00.051 [SPEAKER_02]: And how do you sharpen my blade out in the field? 46:00.471 --> 46:05.736 [SPEAKER_02]: That's also in just because you're a scout, because you know how to sharpen my blade when you're out, right? 46:06.805 --> 46:11.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and no, you can use your belt for 46:13.295 --> 46:35.530 [SPEAKER_00]: just resharp me to give it a short, short, just drop on the, on the ladder, but anyway beside that think the easiest way is to have something with sometimes use small stones or sharpening rot going outside. 46:38.252 --> 46:53.664 [SPEAKER_00]: and to be honest, if you have a knife and are using it or out in the field one week or something like this and you're using it this normal tool you don't have to resharpen the knife within this week. 46:54.225 --> 47:00.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes it's getting a little bit more dull but anyway nobody needs to sharpen when I 47:04.608 --> 47:10.332 [SPEAKER_00]: to hunting on big deer or something like this, just for fishing and so on. 47:10.392 --> 47:16.477 [SPEAKER_00]: It's no problem to use the same knife just with a little bit stopping for one or two weeks. 47:18.639 --> 47:21.581 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just my opinion, but I think it work. 47:22.131 --> 47:29.856 [SPEAKER_02]: and how do you to get back to Paul this question sorry Paul if you're high check in your question but how do you sharpen your own plate? 47:31.677 --> 47:36.680 [SPEAKER_00]: I have the hardy cold to wheels in the water how is the storm? 47:36.700 --> 47:42.924 [SPEAKER_00]: the storm I guess I got from the I started working with my 47:49.728 --> 47:51.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you call it an English scripting figure? 47:51.971 --> 47:52.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Carving? 47:52.412 --> 47:54.614 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. 47:54.975 --> 47:57.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I also don't know what a scripting figure in English is. 47:59.232 --> 48:10.958 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, but he did us much work with Carving Knife since on and he had this tourmic plate back, a tourmic sharpening system back then. 48:12.979 --> 48:20.543 [SPEAKER_00]: He was also the reason I started with Carving and using Knife's more and more to get away from him. 48:21.223 --> 48:32.513 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he has already passed and so I got his, his tourmic and this is the way I sharpened the knife's currently. 48:32.594 --> 48:36.017 [SPEAKER_04]: He originally, like a T4, what is it all those days? 48:36.077 --> 48:37.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're all the style ones. 48:37.938 --> 48:38.479 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a green. 48:39.079 --> 48:39.620 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's blue. 48:40.400 --> 48:42.903 [SPEAKER_04]: I think as I have the blue, I have the green one. 48:43.703 --> 49:00.871 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's blue, and traditionally I have for polishing such polishing stones, where you put the knife or you clamp the knife in the system, correct the angle, and afterwards you can use those stones. 49:03.492 --> 49:15.620 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit cheap as Pauli, so I used the ones from I think Alibaba Latimo, and this works also great for just for the polishing of the blade or the edge. 49:16.621 --> 49:23.185 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Torma is a great system to do your sharpening, especially the setting of the footed bubble, not the sharpening. 49:23.505 --> 49:26.147 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's easy and it's very fast. 49:27.448 --> 49:28.929 [SPEAKER_00]: I have done it by hand on the stone. 49:30.438 --> 49:32.599 [SPEAKER_00]: in the beginning but just takes forever. 49:33.019 --> 49:34.459 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's terrible. 49:34.679 --> 49:43.862 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like again, it's like grinding with files, filing away with files and not using a grinder to do the bubbles is the same. 49:43.982 --> 49:50.323 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to set the very first edge using hands and what stones instead of something, you know, like a 49:53.285 --> 50:03.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Where we all started or most of us started with just a small grinder build grinder from the hardware store Oh, yeah making the first plates 50:03.952 --> 50:11.055 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember after the files I started using a belt sander that my father used for wood. 50:11.916 --> 50:13.677 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just something like handheld. 50:15.077 --> 50:17.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it did exactly the same. 50:19.900 --> 50:25.162 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to say that if you, it is not designed to grinding steel. 50:27.723 --> 50:32.806 [SPEAKER_03]: And if some still particles get inside the motor, it's not very good. 50:33.586 --> 50:34.486 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not very good. 50:36.407 --> 50:41.050 [SPEAKER_03]: And my father never found out why it is sometimes during on and off. 50:42.670 --> 50:44.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:44.991 --> 50:45.952 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know. 50:46.212 --> 50:47.553 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 50:47.673 --> 50:50.074 [SPEAKER_03]: I had a suspicion, but look, you know. 50:51.364 --> 51:15.139 [SPEAKER_03]: As we say, if you are not caught, you are not a criminal, so you know, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it happens, you know, maybe it's the branding maybe it's the the brand was bad, you know, but yeah, after that, yeah, and it's, as Keith said, it is going 1000 miles an hour, it is way too fast and it's aluminum oxide, it's just, but it's way better than a file, a hundred percent. 51:15.512 --> 51:24.762 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's correct, but I bought, I don't know, three years ago, the Powell belt grinder, and I really love it. 51:26.003 --> 51:28.465 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you buy the 50 on two meters one? 51:28.886 --> 51:29.607 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 51:29.927 --> 51:31.108 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the 50 and two meters. 51:32.089 --> 51:33.971 [SPEAKER_03]: With a VFD, I hope. 51:34.652 --> 51:35.593 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, with a VFD. 51:36.485 --> 51:38.046 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's such a good machine. 51:38.526 --> 51:40.107 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, it just works. 51:40.747 --> 51:43.109 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I love it. 51:43.549 --> 51:46.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, really, never had a problem within the last years. 51:46.850 --> 51:48.171 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. 51:48.431 --> 51:50.252 [SPEAKER_03]: And tracking everything is great. 51:50.292 --> 51:51.373 [SPEAKER_03]: The VFD is great. 51:52.433 --> 51:57.216 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you get the one with the blue VFD or with the older one, with the white one, with the white face? 51:57.845 --> 51:58.585 [SPEAKER_00]: with the white face. 51:59.326 --> 52:00.326 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, got the same. 52:00.446 --> 52:03.447 [SPEAKER_03]: And also, I just need to give some props. 52:04.508 --> 52:09.290 [SPEAKER_03]: These we have these are made also in Poland and they have one of the best customer supports. 52:09.990 --> 52:11.210 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's so great. 52:12.071 --> 52:21.715 [SPEAKER_03]: I had this short story that I bought just one we have the off-pubble because I wanted to do a disc grinder, disc sander. 52:22.375 --> 52:27.297 [SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted to add a button that reverses the turning of it. 52:28.578 --> 52:42.020 [SPEAKER_03]: So they have this instructions blah blah blah you can easily connect it and I was trying the correct way the incorrect way all the ways and I'm just chatting with the guys that made the V of D in emails and they have like tried this try that 52:43.201 --> 52:50.769 [SPEAKER_03]: And while I was trying the things that he suggested, I accidentally shorted some shit. 52:51.770 --> 52:53.232 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it just happened. 52:53.392 --> 52:55.935 [SPEAKER_03]: Some, look, the face was mounted off. 52:56.155 --> 52:58.197 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not want to disconnect some wires. 52:58.678 --> 53:00.900 [SPEAKER_03]: And some stuff touched that shouldn't. 53:01.080 --> 53:02.662 [SPEAKER_03]: And I saw the blue smoke, you know? 53:02.722 --> 53:03.163 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know. 53:03.563 --> 53:03.883 [SPEAKER_03]: Bang! 53:04.483 --> 53:06.664 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I like fuck! 53:07.184 --> 53:16.006 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I open my email and they've wrote to me that, oh sorry, it needs a software update to have the ability to have no servers. 53:16.706 --> 53:19.667 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like, yeah, it's way too late. 53:20.007 --> 53:22.328 [SPEAKER_03]: I already thought it. 53:22.388 --> 53:24.328 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's cooked, it's cooked. 53:24.708 --> 53:29.329 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, just send it to us and he repaired it and made it proper. 53:29.929 --> 53:32.070 [SPEAKER_03]: And send it back to me and I only paid the shipping. 53:32.730 --> 53:35.572 [SPEAKER_03]: Really, so yeah, great service. 53:35.592 --> 53:39.815 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's And I was so bummed that I burned it. 53:40.035 --> 53:53.205 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it props to them and these are great and they are very easy to actually properly wire to have a button to switch that directions Which is great on a Disc grinder. 53:53.725 --> 53:55.206 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you using is this grinder? 53:55.987 --> 53:57.528 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also searching for it is grinder. 54:03.270 --> 54:20.378 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I am working on getting the plans changed over to metric, the guys taken a little while longer than I thought it would, but it would be the, the BAs, the van de Santa, the new immersion, so the table is supported on the left and the right side. 54:21.458 --> 54:24.880 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're selling the plans afterwards or the full grinder. 54:30.954 --> 54:46.902 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, if I remember, uh, I mean, just to answer the question correctly, uh, I'm using something of the shelf that the local, uh, turn, lathe guy made for me, it's just basically just a three face motor connected with a proper face. 54:47.002 --> 54:53.886 [SPEAKER_03]: And I got like two faces, like one extremely flat and one with a taper of like one degree. 54:54.206 --> 54:57.648 [SPEAKER_03]: So I could, you know, then I was thinking, oh, it would be so easy. 55:00.729 --> 55:03.472 [SPEAKER_03]: Haha, yeah, just skip it. 55:03.812 --> 55:06.035 [SPEAKER_03]: I am just skipping the hand-sounding at all. 55:06.555 --> 55:07.716 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not using that. 55:07.757 --> 55:09.558 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not something of the shelf. 55:09.759 --> 55:16.646 [SPEAKER_03]: And if I remember correctly, Pavel also is selling a disc grinder. 55:17.587 --> 55:20.190 [SPEAKER_03]: At least he posted about it on his Facebook. 55:20.430 --> 55:21.611 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're really missing. 55:22.711 --> 55:29.899 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we will have to check for that, but yeah, it's in the works. 55:31.180 --> 55:31.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 55:32.201 --> 55:32.882 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds good, yeah. 55:34.152 --> 55:54.478 [SPEAKER_04]: And I also have one, I had the 50 millimeter wide version for a long time and I upgraded to 75 so all the wheels on a 75 and I can still change on use like the surface grinder with the 50 centimeter wide belts and I think it was like 200 bucks for the all the wheels. 55:54.918 --> 55:56.439 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, do you like the surface grinder? 55:56.939 --> 55:58.520 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had the surface grinder for a while. 55:59.180 --> 55:59.860 [SPEAKER_04]: It works really good. 56:01.662 --> 56:07.323 [SPEAKER_04]: The reason that I upgraded to the 75 was because I wanted when I'm doing locks and stuff like that. 56:07.343 --> 56:12.125 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes they don't fit on there, so I upgraded to the 75. 56:12.185 --> 56:18.926 [SPEAKER_04]: I still used the 50 centimeter wide surface grinder, but that really doesn't match just the magnet that's holding it on there. 56:18.946 --> 56:20.147 [SPEAKER_00]: So sounds good. 56:20.987 --> 56:23.488 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was 200 bucks for all the wheels and the flat 56:30.731 --> 56:33.553 [SPEAKER_04]: So all of it, we're getting near the end of the show. 56:34.534 --> 56:37.657 [SPEAKER_04]: You sell your knives on your website. 56:37.837 --> 56:41.340 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think also clingonland.edu, right? 56:42.000 --> 56:42.261 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 56:43.001 --> 56:46.064 [SPEAKER_00]: I have also some of the knives on clingonland.dt. 56:47.245 --> 56:54.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Currently, not really that much, because I'm preparing for a surveillance to have some custom still open to make. 56:57.271 --> 57:19.698 [SPEAKER_00]: At least after, after knife show Austria, there will be some more again on the website or on klinganland.dt In your website is My website is fallenscoutplates.com And I think you have the option of selecting English for Englishlessness on the top right corner of the website Yes correct 57:22.230 --> 57:22.810 [SPEAKER_04]: Very nice. 57:22.891 --> 57:28.195 [SPEAKER_04]: So is there anything that we missed that you want to talk about in the upcoming projects? 57:28.775 --> 57:29.436 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. 57:30.817 --> 57:36.741 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the the next one is of all really would be happy seeing some of you guys. 57:38.122 --> 57:41.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Also some of the listeners just just talk to me. 57:42.426 --> 57:46.289 [SPEAKER_00]: Would be happy seeing some life enthusiasts. 57:46.648 --> 57:52.758 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think a lot of listeners and the people from the knife world would enjoy something like that if you're in the area. 57:54.357 --> 57:55.097 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll check it out. 57:55.398 --> 57:55.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 57:56.438 --> 57:57.579 [SPEAKER_04]: I will try to remember. 57:57.659 --> 57:59.761 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna write it down and put things on the show notes. 57:59.801 --> 58:01.482 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not very good at that though. 58:02.282 --> 58:03.163 [SPEAKER_00]: I will send you DM. 58:04.063 --> 58:04.484 [SPEAKER_04]: Perfect. 58:05.765 --> 58:06.525 [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome. 58:06.625 --> 58:20.274 [SPEAKER_04]: One thing before we go, you talked about field sharpening and I was curious if you're still that you select as any like impact on the ability to field sharpening. 58:21.655 --> 58:30.615 [SPEAKER_04]: using a steel that doesn't get as hard or maybe telling your treatment back, so that people can chop it in the field and say, like that's not a kind of thing or. 58:31.620 --> 58:49.897 [SPEAKER_00]: not really just the main thing is for me going with with high carbon steels with around 15-9HRC that works great outside you can use a stone if necessary to get at least a bit of sharpening back if it's if it's really dull 58:52.980 --> 59:05.669 [SPEAKER_00]: I still think the best option is don't get it, don't get it really, the old old cut in stones, don't do shit with your knife, use it as a knife and not as something different, and then it works also with ultra sharpening. 59:06.490 --> 59:09.372 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's something that you take into consideration with your knife. 59:13.771 --> 59:16.154 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean how to take it into consideration? 59:16.775 --> 59:23.965 [SPEAKER_04]: Like your individual choice or the hardness like tagging the issue for so the field trapping is possible. 59:24.586 --> 59:25.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, 59:27.457 --> 59:38.199 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but in the end, it's, look, first of all, the main steel choices and 69 for me and I think it's an amazing steel. 59:38.299 --> 59:39.440 [SPEAKER_03]: So easy to sharpen. 59:39.480 --> 59:48.402 [SPEAKER_03]: You can get easily great sharpness and you have exceptional edge retention for that kind of price for that. 59:51.744 --> 01:00:14.082 [SPEAKER_03]: For what you get from it, it is great in my opinion, in my humble opinion, it is way better than ABL because it is N690 is more forgiving, but ABL is even easier to sharpen, but if you use it wrongly, it is so easy to lose an edge, so it has a very great balance. 01:00:15.263 --> 01:00:24.374 [SPEAKER_03]: And if some people want some high venadium carbide steels, of course, I'm going to make it, it won't be easy to sharpen in the field. 01:00:24.394 --> 01:00:25.535 [SPEAKER_03]: It will be a bitch. 01:00:25.775 --> 01:00:30.421 [SPEAKER_03]: It will be so hard to sharpen it there, but if they want it, they will get it. 01:00:30.641 --> 01:00:33.645 [SPEAKER_03]: They will get it, so it doesn't matter if I take it into consideration. 01:00:33.785 --> 01:00:37.069 [SPEAKER_03]: And also my blades are ground thinly. 01:00:37.970 --> 01:00:43.217 [SPEAKER_03]: So not like kitchen knife thinly, but they are not, you know, exceptionally thick. 01:00:43.738 --> 01:00:49.585 [SPEAKER_03]: So you don't have to remove a lot of steel to actually repair any damage or just dullness. 01:00:50.967 --> 01:00:54.068 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's kind of, it's kind of easy to sharpen in the field. 01:00:54.388 --> 01:01:02.732 [SPEAKER_03]: So I would say I've taken it into consideration, but if they want some hard steel that is hard to sharpen, it's fine. 01:01:02.832 --> 01:01:03.072 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 01:01:03.612 --> 01:01:09.654 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I get some people that are going like, oh, you need to temper them lower, no, below 60. 01:01:09.774 --> 01:01:11.375 [SPEAKER_03]: So they are tougher, blah, blah, blah. 01:01:12.015 --> 01:01:12.675 [SPEAKER_03]: Who cares? 01:01:13.315 --> 01:01:15.656 [SPEAKER_03]: No, don't use it as a primer. 01:01:15.836 --> 01:01:16.436 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a knife. 01:01:16.596 --> 01:01:17.897 [SPEAKER_03]: It is meant for cutting. 01:01:18.017 --> 01:01:25.499 [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to do some heavy chopping of something that is impossible to chop with a knife, you can use a hatchet an axe or whatever. 01:01:26.299 --> 01:01:31.220 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you want to cut stuff, then I am aiming exactly. 01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:34.221 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is the clientele that I am aiming for. 01:01:34.261 --> 01:01:34.721 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just 01:01:35.282 --> 01:01:47.884 [SPEAKER_03]: Preaching that maybe sometimes I'm preaching to the death that you know that people who cannot hear But it's fine, it's fine, and I also did not get 01:01:49.478 --> 01:01:55.224 [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of customers complaining about the thinness on the edges, but they are actually really happy. 01:01:55.845 --> 01:02:03.252 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess the price point of my knives being priced a little higher than something that you can buy easily at the store. 01:02:03.813 --> 01:02:09.658 [SPEAKER_03]: Really filters out the people who are knife people and they know that knives are meant for cutting you know. 01:02:10.899 --> 01:02:34.473 [SPEAKER_03]: and they know that you shouldn't stick your knife in the ground because you know the stones are harder than your edge and you lose and it's you know it it worked out for me what I want to say yeah I think all of I had to have the correct answer take the take care of your knife use it as it's supposed to be used and shouldn't be a problem and probably had the answer of just give the people what they want and don't matter 01:02:38.715 --> 01:02:39.416 [SPEAKER_03]: I sell it to them. 01:02:39.436 --> 01:02:40.297 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if they wanted. 01:02:40.837 --> 01:02:43.780 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, look, if they wanted, they wanted. 01:02:44.581 --> 01:02:45.582 [SPEAKER_03]: Who am I to tell? 01:02:45.682 --> 01:02:46.744 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, you don't want it. 01:02:47.144 --> 01:02:50.167 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you wanted, you want, I will make it for you. 01:02:50.187 --> 01:02:52.730 [SPEAKER_03]: But but look, I will do a disclaimer. 01:02:52.970 --> 01:02:54.211 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, just to cover my ass. 01:02:54.812 --> 01:03:00.838 [SPEAKER_03]: That look, I give you my opinion as a quotes on quotes professional in this field. 01:03:02.139 --> 01:03:03.200 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good idea. 01:03:03.540 --> 01:03:08.382 [SPEAKER_03]: It will be a bit you want to use it actually because it's way too hard for you to sharpen it in the field. 01:03:08.422 --> 01:03:09.002 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know. 01:03:09.422 --> 01:03:17.585 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that it's great edge retention and you won't have to sharpen it so you can, you know, just skin like 10 bars. 01:03:18.385 --> 01:03:21.647 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, the less freak than to sharpen. 01:03:22.587 --> 01:03:30.872 [SPEAKER_03]: The less likely you are willing to go on back and sharpen it properly, you'll just beat it down, beat it down, beat it down, you'll say, nah, it cuts fine. 01:03:30.912 --> 01:03:31.352 [SPEAKER_03]: It cuts fine. 01:03:31.372 --> 01:03:35.054 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the edge will be beyond repair and you will be like, oh, I knew it. 01:03:35.114 --> 01:03:41.818 [SPEAKER_03]: But that, but that is why that is why Baltic Blades is offering sharpening services for my clientele. 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:43.639 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you are of you. 01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:44.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, don't. 01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:45.601 [SPEAKER_00]: My client. 01:03:45.801 --> 01:03:45.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:03:46.381 --> 01:03:56.311 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do the same, but I would be interested who of you has has already done field sharpening when and where do you take your knives where you have to resharpen them in the field? 01:03:57.052 --> 01:03:58.853 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you did. 01:03:59.674 --> 01:04:00.955 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course I did tell about it. 01:04:01.796 --> 01:04:08.663 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not because I had to but I wanted to try it and I used back then I used this stone from a river. 01:04:09.214 --> 01:04:18.820 [SPEAKER_02]: from a river the surface was very how do you say flat of course very fine sense stone or something like this 01:04:19.319 --> 01:04:23.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what it was, I just gave it a go, I just wanted to try it. 01:04:24.241 --> 01:04:36.124 [SPEAKER_03]: And it worked, I mean surprisingly, we have this ongoing myth that old school grandmothers, they can sharpen and knife into the sidewalk bricks. 01:04:38.225 --> 01:04:47.388 [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it's true, it's kind of true, no, it's abrasive, it will work, it is harder, but we'll get a nice edge, nah, but you will get a working edge. 01:04:48.297 --> 01:04:55.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, yes, but to be honest, nobody will do with a knife and the price range we're talking about. 01:04:56.424 --> 01:04:56.764 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:56.864 --> 01:04:57.045 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:57.105 --> 01:05:09.835 [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess well, I get some people actually asking about what would you recommend as something that we could use in the field sharpening and really, again, really depends. 01:05:10.195 --> 01:05:20.283 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess field meaning different things for different people, maybe some hunters have some available electricity somewhere, you know, maybe they can take a workshop, you know, 01:05:21.104 --> 01:05:23.906 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe they have a huge power bank or whatever. 01:05:24.327 --> 01:05:42.265 [SPEAKER_03]: If they cannot do that, then I guess I'm recommending the same that Oliver already told on the show, which is basically just a sharpening system that has a ceramic rod, maybe or I think a workshop in general has some great products for quick edge corrections. 01:05:42.685 --> 01:05:52.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, or despite a co-sharp, Mikka does also work great, and it's small enough to be carried in the back pack, if you need it, yeah, I think it works. 01:05:53.818 --> 01:05:54.219 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 01:05:54.399 --> 01:05:54.779 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:59.544 [SPEAKER_03]: If I remember correctly, they have these triangular stones that are still going to slip up. 01:05:59.884 --> 01:06:00.104 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:06:00.965 --> 01:06:01.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:06:01.245 --> 01:06:01.446 [SPEAKER_03]: Good. 01:06:01.566 --> 01:06:03.408 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard some really, really good feedback. 01:06:03.428 --> 01:06:06.030 [SPEAKER_03]: So it really depends on what you have available. 01:06:06.090 --> 01:06:08.372 [SPEAKER_03]: And these are so easy to take with you. 01:06:08.473 --> 01:06:11.215 [SPEAKER_03]: So you don't have to use a reverse stone though. 01:06:11.836 --> 01:06:12.437 [SPEAKER_03]: It will work. 01:06:13.458 --> 01:06:13.918 [SPEAKER_03]: It will work. 01:06:14.942 --> 01:06:19.664 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the question is not whether or not one really has to do it, or if there's a need. 01:06:20.265 --> 01:06:25.227 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if we ask that question and this whole post-Grefters and survival thing is obsolete, right? 01:06:25.367 --> 01:06:28.368 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no one needs to do a boat drill, right? 01:06:28.949 --> 01:06:35.292 [SPEAKER_02]: On a Friday afternoon, it's somewhere at the survival rally, let's say, right? 01:06:35.392 --> 01:06:42.315 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's completely redundant, and it's not necessary for survival, because everyone has a lighter, everyone has access to a lighter. 01:06:42.935 --> 01:06:45.700 [SPEAKER_02]: And no one even needs a light of probably, right? 01:06:45.740 --> 01:06:48.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they all get back to their cars and drive by a calm. 01:06:49.085 --> 01:06:53.791 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but the question is whether that we can do that exactly. 01:06:53.912 --> 01:06:55.193 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a fun thing to do. 01:06:55.254 --> 01:06:56.335 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hobby, right? 01:06:56.435 --> 01:06:57.357 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no one needs. 01:06:57.877 --> 01:06:59.318 [SPEAKER_02]: As I said, no one needs to do it. 01:06:59.378 --> 01:07:04.119 [SPEAKER_02]: Both of them know no one needs to be able to build a shelter somewhere in the woods. 01:07:04.579 --> 01:07:09.721 [SPEAKER_02]: No one needs to find stuff so he can survive like a cold night. 01:07:09.781 --> 01:07:11.001 [SPEAKER_02]: No one needs to do that. 01:07:11.061 --> 01:07:13.942 [SPEAKER_02]: We're living in a similar country, right? 01:07:13.962 --> 01:07:16.843 [SPEAKER_04]: So, Paul, you might have to assume with all the stuff on here. 01:07:16.983 --> 01:07:21.925 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're at war, everything's a change, of course, right? 01:07:22.125 --> 01:07:25.068 [SPEAKER_03]: Or, if you get lost, or if you get lost. 01:07:25.148 --> 01:07:27.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but who gets lost probably. 01:07:27.970 --> 01:07:31.213 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, a lot of people get lost. 01:07:31.633 --> 01:07:35.096 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people, there are many people who got lost and never were found. 01:07:35.536 --> 01:07:40.080 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's not because of their lack of survival skills as opposed. 01:07:40.652 --> 01:07:41.833 [SPEAKER_04]: and then have their workshop with them? 01:07:42.233 --> 01:07:43.994 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, they are. 01:07:44.014 --> 01:07:45.054 [SPEAKER_04]: They are nice, they are all. 01:07:45.354 --> 01:07:46.975 [SPEAKER_02]: They are very lucky, I'm sure. 01:07:47.875 --> 01:07:50.197 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they didn't even carry a knife. 01:07:51.337 --> 01:07:55.339 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Albert, I think you have a very good point by saying that you don't need it. 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.921 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very good to have the ability, though. 01:07:59.841 --> 01:08:01.022 [SPEAKER_03]: And it does... 01:08:01.822 --> 01:08:06.687 [SPEAKER_03]: that you don't need it now, it does not mean that you won't ever need it, you know? 01:08:07.428 --> 01:08:13.295 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like the proper mentality, it's you are prepared if something has to go. 01:08:13.615 --> 01:08:14.616 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know. 01:08:14.816 --> 01:08:15.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 01:08:15.897 --> 01:08:22.004 [SPEAKER_02]: My point is it's very unlikely that you're ever going to need them, but there's still fun to practice. 01:08:22.885 --> 01:08:27.909 [SPEAKER_02]: and there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with practicing something that's fun. 01:08:28.029 --> 01:08:34.234 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like knowing how to change your tire and you never had a puncture tire. 01:08:34.334 --> 01:08:37.937 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, I don't need this right now, my tire is all fine. 01:08:38.217 --> 01:08:38.758 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all fine. 01:08:38.878 --> 01:08:42.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it, but changing a tire is not fun, but doing push-gross stuff. 01:08:48.385 --> 01:08:49.046 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing wrong. 01:08:49.066 --> 01:08:54.189 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people make fun of these purpose all the time, because everyone says no one's ever going to need that. 01:08:54.509 --> 01:08:57.311 [SPEAKER_02]: And this might be true, but they enjoy what they're doing. 01:08:57.351 --> 01:08:58.092 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's them. 01:08:58.332 --> 01:09:00.373 [SPEAKER_02]: I also think it's a fun thing to do. 01:09:00.514 --> 01:09:01.734 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's nothing wrong with that. 01:09:01.774 --> 01:09:03.536 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're not hurting anyone or something. 01:09:03.556 --> 01:09:04.937 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, that's right. 01:09:04.977 --> 01:09:08.019 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also the same or some of the same stuff. 01:09:08.059 --> 01:09:11.501 [SPEAKER_00]: What we're doing and practicing in our scout's group. 01:09:12.282 --> 01:09:13.763 [SPEAKER_00]: And so because it is fun, yes. 01:09:15.204 --> 01:09:19.809 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, never sharpened really one of my knives with his stone. 01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:21.431 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to try, I guess. 01:09:21.691 --> 01:09:25.516 [SPEAKER_02]: So the scout thing and the bushcraft thing day overlapped, right? 01:09:25.616 --> 01:09:28.759 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of common stuff to feel. 01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:29.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it? 01:09:30.101 --> 01:09:35.467 [SPEAKER_02]: So what do the boys learn or the girls learn with this scout thing? 01:09:35.727 --> 01:10:02.855 [SPEAKER_00]: and they start in a young age just checking the how to say their surroundings getting knowledge of stuff outside all the trees, the rivers and so on just to see what's around them and what they can do with those stuff, having fun together up to the guys and girls, 01:10:03.635 --> 01:10:18.030 [SPEAKER_00]: In my group, the oldest one, just to get prepared for life later, so they are checking and managing, let's say some, we have, for example, we have been back traveling. 01:10:18.570 --> 01:10:33.303 [SPEAKER_00]: from Corinthia to Mariport, this weekend, together with my Scott's group, so they're taking where to go, how they can go there, they are working upfront, where to get the money from, and so on. 01:10:33.764 --> 01:10:41.591 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say they get prepared for life with a big part of being outdoors. 01:10:42.593 --> 01:10:43.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:10:44.274 --> 01:10:48.877 [SPEAKER_02]: I always wanted to be a scout, but my parents didn't let me, but I'm really soon here. 01:10:48.937 --> 01:10:49.217 [SPEAKER_04]: Why? 01:10:49.917 --> 01:10:50.118 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:10:51.038 --> 01:10:51.458 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:10:51.999 --> 01:10:52.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Same with you, Keith. 01:10:53.700 --> 01:10:54.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you say that? 01:10:54.220 --> 01:10:58.563 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I think it was just a money expense thing, I guess. 01:10:59.706 --> 01:11:01.387 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's a great thing for kids. 01:11:01.767 --> 01:11:19.978 [SPEAKER_04]: It's great that people like you all of our teachers, these kids skills that they don't learn, like in school, unfortunately, those kind of things have died out in the school system, at least in the US, I think that's kind of a common theme around the world right now, but just basic everyday life skills. 01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:31.424 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it sounds like you're all playing the woods where you're learning a lot more than that, you learn social skills and how to adapt to other people and their way of thinking. 01:11:32.024 --> 01:11:32.904 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's right there. 01:11:32.924 --> 01:11:46.271 [SPEAKER_00]: They all do to get the more commonities to just get to know the people around how they act, how they interact and how to interact with people and your environment. 01:11:46.811 --> 01:11:47.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a great thing. 01:11:47.831 --> 01:11:49.232 [SPEAKER_00]: And the kids do have fun. 01:11:49.925 --> 01:11:50.225 [SPEAKER_04]: nice. 01:11:50.385 --> 01:11:52.647 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think that was a good show. 01:11:54.367 --> 01:11:56.469 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much Oliver for coming on. 01:11:57.069 --> 01:12:00.991 [SPEAKER_04]: You guys can find Oliver at fallenscopeblades.com. 01:12:02.112 --> 01:12:03.292 [SPEAKER_04]: Check out the rally. 01:12:03.713 --> 01:12:04.273 [SPEAKER_04]: That's going on. 01:12:04.313 --> 01:12:04.973 [SPEAKER_04]: Survival rally. 01:12:05.013 --> 01:12:08.095 [SPEAKER_04]: I will put those in the show notes and thanks for coming on. 01:12:09.088 --> 01:12:10.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thanks guys. 01:12:11.151 --> 01:12:12.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much for hearing me. 01:12:12.332 --> 01:12:15.436 [SPEAKER_00]: Was fun and see you latest. 01:12:15.716 --> 01:12:16.657 [SPEAKER_00]: It's nice show us to you. 01:12:17.538 --> 01:12:18.479 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you. 01:12:19.080 --> 01:12:19.941 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming. 01:12:21.063 --> 01:12:21.563 [SPEAKER_03]: All right guys. 01:12:21.643 --> 01:12:21.884 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye. 01:12:22.544 --> 01:12:22.965 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, too. 01:12:22.985 --> 01:12:23.245 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye bye. 01:12:36.133 --> 01:12:38.782 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll put this right in 6-7 in the chat 6-7