[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Tommy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: There we have guard there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to this fun episode of TFL CarChat, and today we're gonna be doing a fleet update, Tommy talking about all the cars that we sold and a special one that we bought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's been, you know, a few months since we've done one of these and the TFL fleet is always in some kind of flex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so in today's video, we'll talk about some of the great cars we have.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about some long termers, do you think we've had a chance to live with some of the good and the bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of feel you guys, you know, what's going on around here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we've just spent the most amount of money we have ever spent on a classic car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, you know, you go seek cars out and sometimes cars come to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes when cars come to you, you just have to go for it even though this is not a car that you're planning to buy, but the opportunity and the car are just so right that it's almost like the car has asked for a new owner and has found you and this is what happened with this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do it all full-tombie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was on Craigslist.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it came to you directly.
[SPEAKER_01]: One that Karateck had to drive itself to my house and say, hey, I'm looking for a new owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you driven the new Teslas?
[SPEAKER_00]: They go wherever they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this is a fun little tangent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was driving our Tesla the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's got this really great feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: Full self-drive, incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: You plug in a destination and it takes you there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You never have to touch the wheel.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the weird part is you can hit start, full self-drive,
[SPEAKER_00]: But where is it going?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you noticed this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it knows that you're either going to work or you're going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: So depending on the time of the day, it'll actually...
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're the cars at home and you do that in the morning, it'll automatically take you to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're at work and you do that in the afternoon, it'll automatically route you to home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one time I was leaving the house in like mid afternoon and my driveway goes left which nobody goes to because this is dirt road and goes to a lake and then you go right into the city and the car just decided to go left.
[SPEAKER_01]: It always goes left from your house always.
[SPEAKER_01]: But where's it going?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never let it go left.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always intervene and now then you don't think it's going to like Elon's house like it's just like pre if you don't set a destination and you want to go to the lake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was to go see some fishes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new thing, by the way, on the full self-driving now, every time you intervene, it asks you why you're intervened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you tell it, do you tell it why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can, there's like four options, like navigation, like an emergency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's an option to record, and you leave on the message.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is before you would intervene and then we just disengage full.
[SPEAKER_01]: So driving now a little pop-up comes up and says, why did you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know and then you click the button and it says leave a message for the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't or you can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I left an anonymous message about what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not anonymous.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say it is, they say it's anonymous.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know who, well, they know who's driving it because you've got a driver profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't have a driver profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use your driver profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's going to the office.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you're using my address or the lake apparently or Elon's house Who's to say hey before we get to this car that we've spent the most money on ever a classic car And we'll tell you what cars we sold to kind of afford this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me give you a crazy idea I had about the new Lucy Goosey.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm calling the new Ferrari.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you get it right Lucy Goosey I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you get it Lucy Goosey?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it called?
[SPEAKER_00]: God, it's not that hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see Goosey, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all you see.
[SPEAKER_00]: How is that Lucy?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Lucy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lucy.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no less in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Lucy Goosey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, let's talk about the new Lucy Goosey, which everybody hates unequivocally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have a theory about this, and you could tell me that I'm completely crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me give you my theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm Ferrari sells about 13,000 cars every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have the same business plan kind of that Rolex has.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that they can't really build any more cars because they always have to build one less than the demand.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been really good at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, if you want to get a Rolex, you have to go to your local Rolex shop and buy a bunch of
[SPEAKER_01]: Buy a bunch of watches that you may or may not want to get the one that you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with the pair of signboard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm same thing with the Ferrari.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want the F80 or the upcoming F90, I guess, they'll be one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to buy a bunch of pair of signways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the problem with that business plan is that you can't really expand your buyer base because you already maxed out.
[SPEAKER_01]: If all of a sudden they go from building 13,000 cars annually to 26,000 cars, that business plan falls apart because now people can just buy cars and everybody's going to want to buy the car that, you know, that Ferrari bills, but the problem is if you build more than what they build like 880s, if you build 16-hundred of them, the value goes down and then people won't be willing to go and buy the Parasanguays or Parasanguays or Parasanguays, however, it's pronounced.
[SPEAKER_01]: to get to the ones that they do want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying they need to expand the demand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they need to find a different customer base.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is the one customer base that I think isn't buying for Aries?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cars that are designed like computer masses.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people, what people aren't buying for Aries.
[SPEAKER_00]: People that want a car that looks like a computer mouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a certain segment of the population, and it's cold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you help out with this half the population?
[SPEAKER_01]: What half of the population isn't buying for our eyes?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think here's who I mean, you're saying women don't buy for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: For our eyes, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in this podcast, all of our stuff, and I'm not being sexist.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we look at our demographics, 90% of the people who are watching this podcast are guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety-hundred-and-five percent of the people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a stretch to say that 90% of all Ferrari's are bought by guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is you can't expand beyond that audience because and as a publicly traded company, you have to grow the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you grow it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And my,
[SPEAKER_01]: theory is that the way you grow it is you design a car that appeals to women.
[SPEAKER_01]: You design a luxurious car that has kind of the, let's call it the Birkenbag effect where where women look at this car and it's not intimidating because the Lucy Goosey now is very friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a very friendly face, it's not very intimidating, it's just a very interesting looking car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has nothing to do with any Ferrari heritage whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no Ferrari in the car except for the badge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it completely broke the model.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm thinking maybe Ferrari has decided that they want to sell cars women.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way you do that is the same way that you saw them to men.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to make them exclusive, you have to make them luxurious.
[SPEAKER_01]: But women, I think tend to look at things more from a practical standpoint than men do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have a different approach.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe this is their attempt to basically sell the Birkenberg to a different customer base.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is it's still ugly to women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause look, go back a picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just had this interesting realization.
[SPEAKER_00]: One more, the one, that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think a woman wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: a dice-in-vacuum that swallowed the back half of a pionc-potty-ac-fiero, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the problem you're saying is that women want something different than men in car design, and I don't think that's necessarily the truth, because if I ask my friend group for women, their dream car isn't inherently masculine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of my girlfriends all have the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all seem...
[SPEAKER_00]: They all want wranglers.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all want G-wagants, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a grown-up wrangler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's an inherently masculine design.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very square right at your point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that having this rolly pulley little hatchback thing is gonna appeal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a hatchback.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a hatchback.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sedan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a four door hatchback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a lift back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally a hatchback.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is practical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this thing is, the problem is that I just, well, it's the Birkin bag, a good looking bag, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this was $120,000 and they were going for, but that would be a remand for our eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that won't work, you're gonna devalue the brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, it's like that, you know, the ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they have devalue the brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, clearly, they've already done a good job of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to find a red bull.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is it so expensive?
[SPEAKER_01]: And his answer is classic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason it's so expensive is because how else would you know that it's good, and it's valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you make it 120, and you're going to devalue the brand, you're going to devalue the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to make it expensive to make it exclusive, to make it luxurious, and you got to make it something that is not attainable, but something that is hard to attain.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of the essence of luxury.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the hunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the getting that is more important than the things sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to hunt something desirable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure that this is a desirable product, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason that Furry is a powerful brand is because of the image, the design and the engineering.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this card doesn't push the bounds in any of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're selling, you're selling, okay, let me give you another analogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm learning a lot about watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take this from the watch world.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a brand, you have to know who your customer is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what, let's say Rolex, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What, you're wearing your grandfather's Rolex, which I gave to you for your birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the essence of Rolex?
[SPEAKER_01]: The essence of Rolex.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're
[SPEAKER_01]: A customer, or if you're the brand, isn't like the specifications.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing, it's like Toyota.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Rolex is kind of Toyota.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing really groundbreaking that Rolex does.
[SPEAKER_01]: They never depart very far from the thing that they do in the reason for that is, because what they're selling is the exact notion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the notion that you're successful, that this is a sign of that you've made it in my 100%, right, but look at some of the other brands are watches, and I'm not that familiar with all the brands, but let's say one of the ones that is very much technologically forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then what you're selling is not the brand, but you're selling like the complications and a lot of the fact that it's a, it's a perpetual calendar that does all this other stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way you can tell the way that the brand looks at their customers is how they advertise.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're one of the cutting-edge watch brands, you're going to be advertising all the complications, all the things that it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ferrari with this car didn't really talk about the specifications, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They talked about...
[SPEAKER_01]: The design, the people who designed it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they came out with the interior first before they came out with exterior.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, if you're launching an F80, you're going to be talking about lab times horsepower, torque, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: How great the innovation is from F1 technology because then you're going for enthusiasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the people like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going for the people like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This car is actually slow from an electric car point of view zero to 60 in 2.5 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, a plaid will run circles around this, a Tesla plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my guess is that they're not going after the traditional customer, which would be us because they're not talking about the heritage You know, not talking about the specifications.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just saying, hey, this is something completely different and so there are trying to find a different market than the usual one And maybe women is that so do you think I could be wrong?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I raise my hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be completely wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for our more of a Rolex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you're saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: as a brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's more of an enthusiast.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this, but this, to me, is more of a Rolex.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this, but this is a total departure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something you literally said, Rolex never departs from what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's key.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that Rolex doesn't depart from when
[SPEAKER_01]: Rolex isn't a publicly traded company.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they're a non-profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so publicly traded companies, Rolex doesn't need to sell any more watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very profitable and they're very happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't have that pressure as a, which, for I, by the way, became a publicly traded company like five years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something new.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the launch of the Luché for our stock drops, six percent based on internet backlash.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if the goal is to boost stock price,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure they have attained that goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the goal is eventually to boost the stock price, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to do it immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you're going to do it by selling more cars over the next 5, 10 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether this is possible, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, I don't think Rolex has that pressure that Ferrari has.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for our used to be rolled into Stalantis, I think at the time it was FCA.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they spun it off because the brand is so strong and so valuable into a
[SPEAKER_01]: adds a lot of pressure to what the brand is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can no longer just keep it at 13,000 cars because investors would be like, hey, you made the same amount of money last year that you did this year, why should I invest because the stock price is going to go on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my take on this car is, this has been done before.
[SPEAKER_00]: A premium brand coming out with a car that is very hideous is the wrong word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a catastrophe to look at is the right word.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this here is brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm saying is in my opinion, this car is the modern day Ascent Martin LaGanda.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to pull that up Cole so ascent Martin up through the 1940s 50s 60s in the 70s If you drove that car, yeah, go to our video Cole.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a LaGanda.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll get demonetized.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on car
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the, so the Laganda was a total departure as to Martin, it was four doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, really bold in the design department.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a technological departure from what Asson Martin had done.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very sophisticated.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a lot of ways, a lot like the Luché, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It brought in a lot of new design and technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, we look back at it with kind of fond memories, but it was kind of a sales flop.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only sold like 600 of them in the 10 years,
[SPEAKER_00]: stress or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're going to look back at the Luché in similar ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: We look back at the Laganda where... First of all, I think the Laganda is a handsome car, which the Luché is probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but back then it got people talking, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was different than anything that Assen Martin had done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's desirable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it also goes after the enthusiast, because look at the design of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and the reasoning goes after the enthusiast is because it had all this cutting edge technology, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The cheese enthusiast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was part of that wedge car design era, so yes, it is wedgie, but that was what was happening at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look at the inside once again, just like the astinous.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the...
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are some differences.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I don't think this one after a new customer base.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what Astin was trying to do is saying we're selling sports cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of better, I think a better analogy would be that this was the cayenne before the cayenne.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it actually was going after a different customer base.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a whole piece on top gear about it recently from the 70s and they were trying to target a whole different than the old school, asked to mark and buyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to track much younger buyers with their brands.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that it's kind of a similarity in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it had a whole digital cluster, so it was very technically advanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are some differences.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let me point to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: First, I think they were still going after asked in customers like, OK, top gear me, if it's something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they were going, they did the cayenne before the cayenne.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were trying to expand.
[SPEAKER_01]: from, you know, two-door sports cars into more family-friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the technology in that car was so far ahead of its time that it was bleeding edge, you know, a cutting edge, and it didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was very unreliable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the car quickly got a reputation of not, you know, it had a completely digital display way before people could actually do digital displays.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last thing I would say about the Lagonda, and having, like I said, we drove on, we should have bought it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back like 10 years ago cheap, but when they were really cheap now, they've gotten crazy expensive because it took like 25 years before people Realize what the thing was and now they're almost ungetable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're they're they're expensive, but they're not as expensive as like a V8 vanage from that era There's a lot of much How much you're like 80 to 100 grand?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they're like, can you look at up coke and you can do like ask Ask a how much how much how much the retail value of G's call you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really dove down to do a 1970s Lagonda price There's a lot of different Lagondas
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[SPEAKER_00]: School now and that that's just inflation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need to know the retail value today.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much does it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Found, but from between 35 and 50 for running and driving examples, however rare series ones can be quarter million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a really, really good amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so a quarter million for the average price is 82,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like 80,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because you can't fix them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So should we keep going about our fleet update?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about the cars that we sold to buy this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So first and foremost, if you guys know, a bunch of years ago, and like I've this video, I think it's on classics.
[SPEAKER_01]: We bought a Chinquichento, what year?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a 71, I think, 72.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the typical TFL fashion, we bought high and sold low.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that car was 87 inches wide, I believe, or close to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason it was 87 inches wide,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: 87 inches wide is like the width of a whole lane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe it's- This thing is like 22 millimeter wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, uh, I mean, you got the numbers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, anyway, it was the only size that could get in between the doors, the double doors that we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so a long time ago, I was watching a video, I noticed that Edmunds had a car in their offices.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think they have an old Corvette up on the wall not.
[SPEAKER_01]: like on the ground, but up on the wall when you walk in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it'd be cool if we had a car in our office.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only one that in TFL fashion fit was this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had it for a bunch of videos and then we had it sitting in the office because it fit between the double doors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we had it for like five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we bought it for 15, 16,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it was a really cool little car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed doing some videos with this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did like a fun thing where we tried to get a speeding ticket at case 9 because it only had 17 horsepower and it only did maybe 55 miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a very, very good car to drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really precise steering, really good brakes, suspension was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're absolutely teeny tiny here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see Brendan and I cruising around in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and we're shoulder to shoulder.
[SPEAKER_00]: These things were designed to fit in the smallest European roads, post-war Italy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they really are a great car to owe, super simple, two cylinder engines, air cooled, really clever pieces of engineering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a rear engine, like a Porsche, and the reason we bought it also was because we're trying to get all the cars of the people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all the cars that basically, in all the different countries, got people moving after the Second World War.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had a beetle which would have been the German car of the people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we had a mini.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the Fiat.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the two CV and then of course for America.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the Model T, which kind of came before the war, but still.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have we should have got Charlie's Chabonto.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back to put in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we didn't have it for Bond.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sat in our office, we did a bunch of videos, and then, speaking of Charlie, we found out that he was selling his one.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a sports 800, which was the very first-to-edge sports car, and even came before the 2010 GT, but it's also a teeny, tiny little sports car that also fits perfectly between your doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had to take the doors off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like a half an inch, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, gotcha.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had to take the office door off, but yeah, I mean, it's once again 800cc to cylinder not actually a K car even though it looks like one at the real car But it fits into our doors I'll show that video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a really unique car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has three distinctions Tommy, which are really cool So before the GT 2000 look at sports 800 cool
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, before the GT 2000, which is the James Bond toe to the people know, which is a million dollar car, came to sports 800.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the three distinctions that it had was, first, you know, first and foremost, it's a targa, which is the first targa ever, actually came in front.
[SPEAKER_01]: ahead of the night 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sure did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then secondly, it was the first two to sports car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people think it's a GT 2000 and two to being one of the biggest brands in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to own their first class.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was the 2000 GT.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually the Sports 800.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then the third distinction because they sold it in where they have, I forget to name them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Okinawa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Okinawa.
[SPEAKER_01]: It came in both right hand and left hand drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the first way to do that, but really fascinating little cars, it's got a horizontally opposed to cylinder air cooled engine with a manual transmission and rear wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it looks like something out of kind of an anime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's got these really interesting bubble lights on the front of it and it's all kind of jetsons inspired and how the back end tapers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a fun, fun, fun car to drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it handles like a dream and it's surprisingly roomy considering it's only the size of a peanut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so we traded our two CV, our citron, douchebo, plus some money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I pay Charlie another 14,000 to get this card because there's only about 300 of these left in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought to myself, this is a really special car.
[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, somebody's going to understand the value of these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they trade for like $40,000 now, so they're not super
[SPEAKER_01]: expensive super cheap but for you know being you know a 40-year-old 50-year-old classic Toyota I think they're still relatively affordable and they're relatively tiny and so we have it now sitting in our offices where the two CB no where the fiat was yeah so that way it doesn't get you know head or isn't in harm's way
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we sold the fiat to a really cool viewer out of Colorado.
[SPEAKER_00]: He actually had one, and it needed a little bit of work like it had this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's selling his old one now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is he?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on Craigslist.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much does he want for it, do you remember?
[SPEAKER_00]: 11 to 5.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, that's easy, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like this really annoying little, like, clunk coming from the wheel and it ultimately, like it just made sense to sell to someone who really knew how to fix it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm really excited that you can see my car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was like it was in the fiat booth I want to say it was restored for SEMA Like we should help and try to sell his because he was such a great guy Can you go on Craigslist and look up the at 500 coal and you will show it to him?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you the link to it with that be easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is what I find it I think you can probably find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was show because he was just really great because I had a really hard time I put up on Facebook and Everybody was like, you know, low-bong me on this car because I don't think they knew what it was
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there was a local guy who wanted to actually use it for his winery.
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this is the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's the one that he's selling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the nice car in 1970, 500 L, so these cars are pretty rare to sort of find them for sale in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Also pretty valuable in Italy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a car that might be more valuable abroad than it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, if you're interested in the car, it's on Craigslist in Denver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it says 1971, the elusive 500 classic, very, very nice condition.
[SPEAKER_01]: 12,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: 250 sells a little bit off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he's a really super guy and if you want somebody who is a genuine car guy who's you know Take scrub as cars who's kept it's black with a red interior I think it's completely sorted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got the sun roof and interior is actually beautiful So if you want one this would be a good one to get also if you were looking for a car in crazy gas prices We have now
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a bad option.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying I mean, it's that or save at the pump a scooter might be faster Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only got but it's remarkably you know roomy given how tiny it is exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah So yeah, I checked that out in Parker Colorado if you'll if you'll local and one of 500 I was talking I haven't seen the car, but he said it's a it's a pretty nice on
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no rust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just want to help him out because he's such a great guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is for sale on Craigslist, the other car that we sold to afford this new one, and you can find the 68 vet, we recently sold that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this went to kind of one of our friends that lives local to us just down the road, they bought it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a pretty cool little car collection and now they've got a really interesting Corvette to add to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corvette 327 convertible manual three speed you want to tell your story about when you tried to listen on haggardy and the guy didn't believe it was a three speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so I tried to listen on haggardy and I said it was a three speed and he said no they didn't make three speeds and he's like I'm a Corvette I wasn't on haggardy it was you know who was it was that guy that you did the chair and charger or challenger video with.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was Hagerie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you were listening on their marketplace or on their auction site.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Hagerie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: As an auction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said that Chevy didn't make three speeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Manual.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I've got an original 68 with a three speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't want to believe me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then you had to go back and actually look out the documentation and there's like, oh, wow, they did do three speeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they only did it 100.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they only did it for like maybe 68 through 70 or 68 through 69.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they only built like you said 230 of them in the first model year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're buying a Corvette, you want it to be kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you either got the 4-speed manual or you want a cruiser, so you got a 3-speed automatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to actually like purposely go out and buy a 3-speed manual Corvette was super rare.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a dog-like three-speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was also a bean can.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had one option and one option only, which was a convertible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Convertible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no AC, no power windows, no power steering, no, ah, no power brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it had power brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it had power brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, no power brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually a manual brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But really basic specification of car.
[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of an interesting find.
[SPEAKER_00]: As early C3's go, this is about as affordable as you can get, so our friends at the channel, we just did a video on their K-Car they ended up buying this from us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think what makes this car so special and so unique was especially if you're Colorado person was that it was a Colorado car that sat in a bar in for like 25 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it had very low miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say 60,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so for a car that's from,
[SPEAKER_01]: 45 years old, they only have 60,000 miles, it's pretty unique and those were original miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: The downside to it was it was painted this like very canary yellow, but it was definitely, you know, not even a 10 foot, maybe a 50 foot paint job, where you could see somebody rattled candid and they didn't do a very good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the original color was really cool, it was like a copper color, I know which day I'd left it at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the story is interesting like this woman bought it some point in the 70s and it owned it for over 20 years and she drove it to and from school because she was a school teacher so pretty cool school teacher and then parked it in a barn and then I think she passed away and her husband or her kid then went to sell it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she contacted another friend of the channel who actually dragged it out of the barn, vacuumed out about 300 pounds of mouse poop, he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then got it running, because mechanically, the car was sorted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, unfortunately, that ended up with a person who hated the original color.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a current bit flipper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was a clipper.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then kind of did this,
[SPEAKER_00]: less than ideal paint job on it, and then made it yellow for some reason, even though the original kind of copper was so cool, he should have just repainted in the copper color, which would have been more valuable too, and then we ended up sort of buying it just down the road from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ultimately it's a really strong running car, that 327 was solid, the transfer solid, the brakes were really good, but we did our videos with it, so it's time to move it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I got to say Tommy, I do miss this car because it was a lot of fun to drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing I've noticed is that C3s are coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually in the past, the chrome bumper ones, in other words, the ones from 68 to like 72, were very valuable, but then when you got into the Malays era of,
[SPEAKER_01]: cars in America, in other words, when all of the emissions came in and horse power got cut to like 180, those cars you could pick up all day for 10, maybe less $1,000, and now I'm seeing on Craigslist that even the later, like the 70s and the early 80s, C3s are coming up in Bailey.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people are discovering that they're really cool because the design of them is just beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the later cars, especially because the huge majority of them are automatic, they're not great to drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: The stick cars are really fun, but the automatic, they just don't play very well in my opinion with that 350 in the Gearing in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are incredible to look at, and that's why you buy them is just because the aura and the design of them is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've spent a lot of time on this one, but we sold another car, remember, that old Honda ridge line that I bought at the donated car auction, that we kind of fixed up, did they pick that up yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's still here, but we sold that as well, that went all the way to Memphis, Tommy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice!
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay!
[SPEAKER_01]: Six and a half thousand dollars, we sold that.
[SPEAKER_01]: With sweet, with just under 200,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a great truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a really story to truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: We bought it at the donated car auction, because at the at-time we had a new ridge line, so we wanted to compare the old to the new.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got together with our friends Soft Hopper and they provided us the Soft Hopper as we put a soft Hopper on it in case I think did that yep and then we did a bunch of videos with it We had it professionally detailed so the interior looks brand new on it Well we had to do some other stuff to the alternator failed Yeah, we had to drag a Walmart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was there for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The spool valve gasket failed We killed the elevator.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean if you're just looking for by the way, that's a common problem
[SPEAKER_01]: on all Honda's with VTAC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the spool valve gasket fails and then it drips oil into the alternator, which then kills the alternator.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very, very, very common.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was such a good, I'd love this truck so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's considering buying it, but I just didn't really need one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the driving dynamics of that car, the capability for what it is, the payload capacity on that ridge line is more than that RAM, 2500, we have outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about that, $1530 pounds in the ridge line, $1500 pounds in the power wagon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, usable, useful little thing to just kick around and the bed is useful, the trunk was super useful underneath the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a vastly overlooked truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, now we're getting into the right brand of the car we just brought because we also sold two of these to buy one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first video of this one is coming up so we're going to kind of spoil it a little bit for you, but I don't believe in teasing stuff on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate when I just knew a podcast and they say we can't tell you because
[SPEAKER_01]: This video is coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to do that to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to spill it right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see that video coming up very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We purchased two 9.11.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought a 2005 9.97.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first of the 9.97.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crira 2S, so the one that everybody wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had over 100,000 miles, bought it for 35,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful color.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was this dark blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you know, I asked a haggardy people about it because it was sitting in California as everything good with it and they said, oh yeah, runs great, you know, I actually talked to the representative and I'm not, I'm not disparaging haggardy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you buy something at auction, buyer beware, it's very common.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when the car shows up, it's running fine, but the first thing I notice is like the passenger seat when you go to move it.
[SPEAKER_01]: turns sideways when you go to move it and basically one of the motors that I take in a dump.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was wrong and then the heated sea's didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a whole bunch of little niggly stuff and so we took it to our local Porsche mechanic and said hey How much to sort this and they said how much remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember 18,000 oh geez
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 18,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that may have been stuff that didn't need to be replaced.
[SPEAKER_01]: But nevertheless, we did the stuff that needed to be done and that was, there it is, beautiful car with these dark black lobster claw wheels, the four exhaust tips at the back because it's yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mechanically, I think it would have been pretty sound if it hadn't done something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me, let me finish with the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, this is the
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of found that with this guy, I love the fact that it was manual, but I could see myself going down that road of that old 87 we had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember we had an 87 G-body that I spent, I think 85,000 dollars on fixing up and end up selling.
[SPEAKER_01]: for 55,000, and I kind of felt like we were going down the road with this one, and in the meantime, this is also a fun story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to get which we end up buying a Land Rover sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I found one on Craigslist and I called the owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ranger sports.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ranger sports.
[SPEAKER_01]: I called the owner and I'm like, Hey, I'm really interested in you look like it was a very sort of car It's a right year and he said sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just sold it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a bummer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said I've got another car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm selling and I go what and he goes It's a Porsche.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go tell me more and he goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 911.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like tell me more
[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, it's a coupe, and I'm like, tell me more because these are the ones you want and he's like, well, it's an automatic I was like, uh, and I'm like, what year and he goes 2003.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, nine nine six and I go how much you want for?
[SPEAKER_01]: 15 And I'm like, I'm buying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He $1,000 turned out that car had an engine replace.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, 80,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: 80,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh god.
[SPEAKER_01]: 15, 80,000 dollars for a
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 80,000 miles, $15,000, turned out that car had its engine replaced under warranty because I am S1 bad, so we had a new engine at 40,000 miles, 80,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it was, well, you, you drove it, what do you think of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I mean, up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, of all the portions I've ever driven, I think it's still probably one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I really like driving it because it was super good at just cruising around town with that tipchonic five-speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fun enough on a back road and it was so affordable that you didn't really have to worry about it that much and that's something that's not usually the case with 9-11s because they're so valuable.
[SPEAKER_00]: that you're always concerned about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was such a great little car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was silver.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the right balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had the right number of miles.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that was pretty tight to drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just an awesome, like, ownership experience for the granted only few months we had it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the people don't like the Tetronic cars as much as manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're worth like $10 or $15 less.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a whole, for just kind of cruising around, bump into the grocery store, it was better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, I've always wanted a 9-11 turbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always kind of been my dream car.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a car that I had on my wall as a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a car that was the...
[SPEAKER_01]: all conquering all, you know, Autobahn blasting car that was something that I've always wanted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so our friends over here at Selton happened to have a 997.2 turbo for sale and those cars have gone through the roof because to me, Tommy, the perfect decade for cars is like the 2000 to 2015 era.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's because there's just enough technology to make them driveable as a modern car, but there isn't so much technology that you're overwhelmed with like having the vent controls in the screen, or having all this ADAS, which makes driving them just a huge pain in the butt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that is a perfect era of car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in 2010, the 997.2 came out and it went away from the Metzger Engine to direct injected engine and a lot of people like the older ones, but the 997 is having a moment, prices on the turbos are up like 50% so when they had, when I thought, well, maybe I could trade both the 996 automatic and the C2 2005 for the 2010 turbo and that's exactly what we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah exactly and do you like it i love it good i just love it there's these shoes we're sorting them out uh and the reason i'm saying this is first of all if you do like that nine eleven that i had the one with the 104 thousand miles nine nine seven parara to us uh it's for sale right now i think you're selling it for
[SPEAKER_01]: forty five no fifty five fifty five thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want it, it's on their website Check out salt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we did it end up ultimately dumping a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: You knew it So we put new alternator in it That's a new air oil separator in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the alternator took a dump too.
[SPEAKER_01]: We took a window regulated renew Our friends of Michelin gave us new tires with brand new Michelin's house port for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so thank you Michelin
[SPEAKER_00]: You put a different radio in it with car play so like we didn't actually really make any money in it by the time we traded it in We were actually probably lost some money on it, but it still is an excellent car and and really fun to drive Yeah, and so that car is for sale, and I got to tell you Tommy I love that turbo good
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got 67,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a three second car, zero to 60.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we do in videos on that, we did our first, which will be comparing the blue car, this car is silver to the silver car to the turbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just drove it up the mountains.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's scary fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the problem with it is you're doing triple digits before you know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's seriously like before you know it like I was going up by 70 and I needed to pass a truck because it was throwing up rocks And I'm like I'll just get into the turbo and next thing you know I'm doing a hundred plus yeah, like that and I'm like holy calm lose my license.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that that quick Yeah, I mean I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's worth, I mean, it's tough to say is it worth the money because the market dictates.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the same value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, which is crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can buy brand new CA Corvette for the price of a 15, 16 year old 911 turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the manuals are like 180.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just I can't I think it's a hard it's a little hard to just to find the value compared to like a new Corvette But it is a very special card of drive and I think like the the 997 911 is kind of the one to get because it's got the hydraulic power steering and it's still It's a very visceral car and so the new one's got bigger and heavier and they got a little bit more isolated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a very desirable car so
[SPEAKER_00]: if that's what the market says this worth, I guess that's what it's worth now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I lose sleep over, because I'm like, I just we just paid $105,000 for a car that's 16 years old with 67,000 miles on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that car was, I think, 135.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, basically 30,000 less than what it was new.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, in 60,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it would have been a good while.
[SPEAKER_00]: with inflation.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would have lost more money, but compared to other luxury cars, it didn't lose that much money.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, if it was a manual, it'd be 150 to 180.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the magic in that car is the fact that I think a lot of people right now year in for an analog experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want something that they can touch, that they can feel, that they can actually operate with buttons, where there isn't a computer between you and the driving experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: where the car, unlike the Tesla, is turning left to go to the office what it should turn right, something that is tangible and real and in this case, extremely fast and you know, the pinnacle of what Porsche was doing at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at it in that light, I think you can see why the value is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the car is one of those cars that is small.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the C4, the new one,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was also the head to the 911's, it was a Targa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I, I was a little bit, it was fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I just, like, kind of, didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't make a lot of great noises.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very fast and handled great, but around town, it just felt kind of boring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't kind of give me much of a face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great on a back road and credible on a nice road.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just as an everyday driver, I don't think it sounded that great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't ride badly, but it also didn't ride that well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of in this no man's land of being, fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what do you think of the new turbo?
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely like it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just I don't think I'm a 9-11 guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that I like that card because it's so fast and that's very cool to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just I think like the for the money, I think I'd still rather get like a C at Corrette.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a car to put money, and I think that it's a good place to keep money because I don't think people are going to go down to value.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's a much smaller car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four inches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four inches shorter, but it feels much smaller than the current crop of 911.
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, everybody today wants the IRS models because they're very...
[SPEAKER_01]: analog or the GT3 RS if we're being specific about it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But those cars are 400, 350,000, and you can get that experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the 2010, 1997, dot 2, without having to go to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I love the cars, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love driving it on a, like once again, I think on a good road, there's nothing better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, a lot of videos coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one that I really want to do is I want to race our brand new CO6CA versus this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Old versus new.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once we get a drag strip back, I think that's going to be a much closer race than you think, because the turbo puts out 500 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one has a cob 200, but it's also the sport and the sport plus buttons aren't working, so it's going to hopefully get that fixed because I think that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that changes a lot of things and
[SPEAKER_01]: The throttle response, it also changes it as an overruse feature, it also does launch control and if those two features aren't working, they should be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, you know, the heated seats aren't working, which by the way, they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, that's great news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the cool seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great, 10, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is, if you guys really want, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: the pinnacle of cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like the 2005-2015 is the era to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with our I8.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also an era.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love the I8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where you have enough technology to have car play and to have, you know, all the modern conveniences, but not so much that you lose the analog feel of the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you said you're not a 911 guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about a 356B guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like that car a lot, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, wait, I just think about what I just said.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't introduced what car we just bought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's what's going to pitch to.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so explain the story behind the three of these XX.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I said, some cars find you and this car found me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our newest newest purchase, which is a 1962.
[SPEAKER_01]: Porsche 356B, which is kind of the wellspring of all 9-11s.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where it all leads to eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are earlier versions.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an A, and then there's a pre-356.
[SPEAKER_01]: But basically, this is a start of Porsche, after Furnit Ed Porsche went from making beetles to making Porsche's.
[SPEAKER_01]: It actually takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went from making beetles and then takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for Hitler, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not whitewash that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tried his eye to Tiger 2, let's not whitewash that and he did the Beetle 4, you know, for Hitler as well, but his son for any dad right
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what was Porsche's name, first name?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good with like names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Furnin' dad, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was he saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a very Porsche.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a current guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's long-dead, is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's very Porsche.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so he kind of, you know, said Porsche on this course, I'm building the 911, and so it's kind of the fountain head for all 911s, all Porsche's actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've always dreamed of owning one of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I was on Craigslist,
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you didn't, but when I was a kid, you didn't like these.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember you called them bathtubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but as things change as you get more into the brand, then you start to understand it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the value of these actually are coming down, they're down like 30% and that's because the people who collect these are dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once upon a time this was like, like if you were in America in the 60s, you could
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you could have bought a Corvette with 350 horsepower, you know, and this huge rumbling V8, or you could have spent a lot more money in about a 90 horsepower bathtub.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of a hard, it was a hard argument to make.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you know, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these cars were incredibly dynamically, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They could out corner anything on the road, and they were very competitive in races because they handled so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I, so you found this car in Craigslist belong to an older lady and her husband and her husband drove for like 25 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then unfortunately got dementia and was the news that he was a CU person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wasn't able to drive the car anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: The engineering CU professor, it had been taken care of.
[SPEAKER_01]: here in Boulder by local mechanic for 25 years and she was trying to sell it for her husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were asking 62 for it, which I think is a fair price.
[SPEAKER_01]: I offered a 55.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to rip anybody off, but I felt like this car had issues, which it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they said yes, we bought it for 55,000 and then I took it to the mechanic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who took care of it and he showed me, you know, there's two kinds there's the original kind and then there are outlaws and the outlaws have upgraded engines Yeah, and this has and this was a sports Super 90 so it had like a higher it's got more compression of the standard car It's got you know, it's like the whole engine's a little bit hotter different carborators, but it's not the engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was born with
[SPEAKER_00]: right so it's not numbers matching but for the price it's about as cheap as a running and driving 356 comes because a good one's gonna be well over a hundred thousand dollars now so 55 is a that's so much money and it terrifies me but it is mechanically very sorted it had an engine rebuild it's been converted into disc brakes the steering is great um i mean electrically everything works in the car so i love it
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for the clock that's the radio starter working yeah the radio came back So I love this car and what I love about this car is that it is so scruffy It has lived a life I mean not what if you look at like the paint like there are areas where it's cracked And there's clearly Bondo underneath it like the roof is all faded and it's it's chipped But I was talking we just took it to a local car show and I had a 356 Judge come up to me and he was like wow to see a car like this He said you can buy a perfectly restored one tomorrow
[SPEAKER_01]: you go on the on three to three see the paint there yeah but that is like i just think it is so appealing and there's so many people at this car show that they love the patina but you are dying to paint this car well i took it to a local guy who does these cars and we discover that there's only three places where there is no filler and that is on the wood on the actual wood has been replaced to actual wood the roof and the trunk basically the engine cover
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, everywhere else there's bond of the car was actually crashed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess this was very common.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole front clip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it was race because it actually has anchors for a harness in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it may be, it's probably crashed on a racetrack.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a lot of these were, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's gonna, you could easily spend $50,000 for storing this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you could spend $150,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And still have $100,000 car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but, I mean, so you're still really excited about the idea of painting it, but like everybody at the car shall love the patina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you go to the front shot call, you can really see, just go to the nose, you can really see the amount of rock chips on it, the SEC strike guys drove it all over the country.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it does have an incredible amount of patina, but the chrome is pitted, of course, the car is full of filler, the other thing that worries about the filler is that there's rust underneath the filler, and so the longer you wait, the worse it's going to get, which is odd for a Colorado car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at this point, I don't think it's going to get much worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could go worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not gonna, my Ted acts about this because I had some rust in a previous car and he's like, if you just drive it in Colorado, keep it out of the rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how do you keep it out of the rain if you drive it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't take it out in the winter.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, you can even drive it in the rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just don't take it out in the snow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the car, our climate is so dry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna progress any well beyond this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that if you, if you, if you pain it and restore it, you just got another nice 356, you're not gonna want to drive because you're gonna be in it $120,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are also different kinds of paint jobs, and this is also a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could do a concourse paint job, which is like you said is going to be $50,000, or you're going to have to take the card down to metal, you have to remove the Bondo, you have to fix the rust underneath, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have to epoxy it, then you got to put new filler in, then you got to put new paint, and then you got to buff the paint, and this is why I get so expensive, because at some point, you are completely refurbishing the card, but like K said, it's like pulling a string on a tapestry.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you do all that, then you're going to want to redo the chrome.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can have to redo all the rubber gaskets and now the interior you need is redoing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's even on a cheap paint job.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do a cheap paint job and still use a chrome pad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's use the right terminology so that that would be a concourse restoration.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could also do an auction restoration on the paint job.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference?
[SPEAKER_01]: A difference is that people don't get that up close to the car so that level of paint job isn't as good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you still have to fix the rust.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're taking the car down, you can't put Bond over Bondo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you could do, you know, a basic paint job.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is this is a potentially 100 to $150,000 car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do just a crappy paint job on it, it's going to reflect in the value of the car eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the question is do you spend a lot more money painting it, actually fixing it or do you spend a lot less at which case it's going to be worth a lot less.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could do a driver paint job or and let somebody else do it or what if you spend zero dollars on a paint job and just enjoy the car as it is because it runs and drives so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what what I'm worried about because this is a reality like this car is valuable as it is and you're already worried about it, you know, even scruffy like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you spend $50,000 painting on it, you're never going to want to drive it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's going to be too nice to use, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what a second guy at the car show said he's like, I would just leave it like this is and drive the wheels off of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're in a unique situation with this car where it's valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think they're more, they're more perfect ones and scruffy ones nowadays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that makes us rare.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, the scruffy one is the car that is in some ways more desirable because it's lived that life, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got the story of the town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me there's also a part of me that's like wearing nice clothes, that's like having nice hair cut, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to present a scruffy version of yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get it, you have...
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a much different standard for what you want to present when I go out and I have this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also, I get that the true enthusiast also wants to show the patina and a lot of people will be like, wow, isn't that, you know, a wonderful patina on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, I'm not proud of the car because to me, the car looks like it needs love.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm at the point of my life where I like fixing things, I like passing stuff on to the next person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not 29
[SPEAKER_01]: where I've got another 40, 50 years of my life to enjoy a scruffy car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got, you know, probably 20 years left in my life, and so I have earned the right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not all the hard work I did to present something that I am proud of, that makes me feel happy, and it doesn't make me feel happy driving a scruffy car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get what you're saying, and when you're 29, you have a different outlook on life.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool, it's hip.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it just looks very scruffy, and it just calls out,
[SPEAKER_01]: or needing and wanting to be restored.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of want to do that because that's what the car deserves.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the car deserves to be driven.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the story is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will not, what you said was absolutely wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I fix this car up.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you spend, let's say realistically it's $60,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you spend $60,000,000, I will drive it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be happy to drive it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll leave it parked at Whole Foods and not worry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll take- There's a price to pay for that, but what you said is that I won't drive is absolutely natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will drive it and I will take it out on a nice day and I feel good about driving it and it won't be a garage queen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll also make me feel happy because the car is now something, by the way, the paint on this was originally silver.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were very few black ones apparently, so somebody painted it black at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you want something and maybe you'll understand this when you get to be my age.
[SPEAKER_01]: you'll understand that that is something that you've earned the right to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You spent your whole life working and now you want to spend that money on something that you feel is valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so to me restoring it would make me happy, what would make me happy and I realize this because we've done it with the old G-body is where it takes five years and the car is never in your possession and then by the time you get the damn thing back you're so pissed at it because it's taken so much time and effort.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you that you no longer enjoying the cars you just want to get rid of it that that that would not make me happy but actually if we could find you know a process where you could do this relatively quickly with somebody who's an expert who knows what they're doing and who can do it in months instead of years then yes I would be willing to spend the money because I feel like I've earned that money and I want to spend it on this and it would make me happy and I would drive it and I yes I would be worried about parking it in the whole food parking lot but I would do it anyway
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the reality of restorations, especially to this level, is they're just multi-years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to find someone that can do metal work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already found somebody who said you could do it in two months.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already have one person who's willing to do it in short.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the quote and the reality, I think, are different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think, especially a full color change, if you want to do a color change in this car, being tear your hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying we have to do a color change.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can keep it black.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like black, you know, my issue with black cars is they don't photograph well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think realistically, if you take that pain off, you might as well do a color change.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be so much metal work to do that if you're going to spend the 20, you're going to spend 60.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's just the reality of progress.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other problem is, you know, from a business standpoint, it makes no financial sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, this still is a business.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing this as a passion project.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a business and we have to pay the bills and pay the rent and putting, like I said, a hundred thousand dollars into a car that is going to be worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100,000 is not worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that, but you should also understand why there is a part of me that really does want to restore this I do, but I think it's also important to realize like once again, when you say I do but I do You're completely discounting the last five minutes of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the buck means I do but I have my own opinion and I'm not really taking years into a kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no need to be upset about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna talk about paint on an old portion here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying what I'm hearing is I do, but I don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's my reason for not doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like financially, one of the other 356 guys I was talking to there said, if you wanted to buy one with good paint, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he suggested a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were two cars, this car is a coffee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two, three, three, three, three, sixes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were all like, we love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to get all these things and yet both of them had restored their car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because at this point, that a car like this doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one guy bought it's not what they say, but what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that the one guy bought his car in pieces, in pieces, so he had to pay it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he couldn't, he didn't have to pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could've restored it to a driver, but he didn't have to take the loving care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see like the little six-fold sticker?
[SPEAKER_01]: He did have to paint it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please listen to what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah listen to what I'm saying and just for a second Just don't be so set in your opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just trying to get you to listen to what you're saying You want to make it nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, you're not hearing what I'm saying
[SPEAKER_01]: there's more to what I'm saying than what you're hearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm saying is people will tell you that they want the Scruffy one, but in my 60 years on this earth, I listen to what people do and not what they say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact is that both of these guys has said it's Scruffy we love it, you shouldn't restore it and yet they both restored their cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have kept their car Scruffy, he could have bought it, he didn't have to shower it with money and love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, he could have kept it as a driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have to do a driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have just put it back together and left it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was full of holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't put together car full of holes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other guy did the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also restored it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at the market because you're a watch guy now.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is more valuable?
[SPEAKER_00]: A Rolex from the 60s that you fully restore, or a Rolex with scratches on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been used and has the original movement and is a little tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends Tommy, you know, that Rolex that you're wearing was my father's, it's your grandfather's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that has a lot of intrinsic value from an emotional standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a it's a it's one of the few.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Battery powered Rolex says they made him in the 70s and 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right crystal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's not self-winding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so value wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a $5,000 watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I told you I sold it because I was kind of fooling you with it and I wanted to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was really sad about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, the value there is the fact that it was exactly your father's.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that's gruffiness.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that your father, my father, your grandfather owned that watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so to me, that has a lot of intrinsic value.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand that in this Porsche, somebody has driven it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've put a lot of miles on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what you're saying is the car has this intrinsic value because it shows the patina, it shows the thing that it's had.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, that somebody has a guy who drove it and the person who had it before in California, I don't know who those guys are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no emotional connection with those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just because somebody else drove it around the country doesn't actually provide an emotional value to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm asking regardless of the emotional value.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you looked at a 1960s Daytona,
[SPEAKER_00]: that was scratched in the original movement versus one that was fully polished in a store.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking genuinely which would be more valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the old one would be more valuable, but that's not necessarily the case with cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, a pristine 356B with a matching engine number, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those cars are between, let's say, 120 and 180,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: A scruffy one, which is bought for 55.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a market.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the restorans have more value that doesn't mean you're not going to spend more money restoring it It just means that the restorans have more value than the non-restored ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think I'm going to convince you I hear your argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your reasoning for doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to the comments here
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan is in the live chat on patreon.com slash tf of car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of the Ferrari, he says this car does look terrible, but I'm not sure Ferrari has made any truly beautiful cars in the last 15 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool sport and angular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but truly beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he goes on to say he's going to miss the fiat.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the don't paint it class And if you guys want to be involved on the patreon patreon dot com slash tfl car We'll try to give you guys more warning next time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you you're not just blindsided by these But I'm genuinely curious to see what people are going to say in the comments on the paint discussion I think most people will say don't paint it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so because nobody I've talked to you like even case Really things we shouldn't paint it Definitely things we shouldn't painted
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so I'd be curious to see what the YouTube cook is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also said I think it's I was doing a lot of thinking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's different from a 30 year old perspective from a 60 year old But all the guys that came to me were like 80.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all old.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all failed restore their cars Yeah, but the people that didn't have them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying like there were a lot of people like a couple of guys The Ferrari guy came up and said, oh, this is so cool to see one that has like chips on it He's like you always seem beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could there's a there's a million beautiful ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great
[SPEAKER_01]: for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really happy that he should go buy his roughly one.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he wants it, but it's not his car, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the thing that makes me happy and you have to understand, and I've gone down this road so I don't want to be the dead horse.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I'm in that car, and I look at the scruffiness, it reflects badly on me and my care of the car, and I get that the cool enthusiasts thing is show the patina, but at the same time, it's like wearing a
[SPEAKER_00]: But the question you're going to have to balance is, are you going to be happy driving a car that shiny in 18 months?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That you spent $60,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just listening to Smith and Smith and Smith.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were talking about the Rolexing on its camera back to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, um, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny Porter, I don't know, I don't listen to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some topic here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he had a buddy who bought a Rolex deep sea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he spent a lot of money on it, the James Cameron, and now he said he's afraid to wear it because it was so expensive, and it's so valuable that if you wear it, you potentially take the value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in that camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem driving vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't what give me a car that I'm afraid to drive name a car The M6 you sold it because he didn't like driving it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was too nice That's why it's all because I didn't like driving it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You told me that you did you told it because it was too I'm like driving it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that fun to drive all right guys leave us a comment below what you think oh Shah's in the comment He says it's always fun to see Bettina another people's cars
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, true have my man, thank you Sean.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right guys, well drop us a comment below.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you guys think of our argument today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was another Micah family.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're in session.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still have each other, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you in the next one, bye.