[SPEAKER_02]: Christian parenting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Bible for Kids Podcast with your hosts, author Trisha Goyer, and author and co-creator of Veggie Tales, Mike Nuraki.
[SPEAKER_00]: If instilling biblical values and kids is important to you, this podcast will give you the resources, wisdom, and hope to do just that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's join our hosts, Trisha, and Mike for this week's episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the Bible for Kids Podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mike Naraki.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Trisha Goyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today we have a special guest, Taliyah Masina.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's an acquisitions editor for Tindale House publishers who specializes in children's books.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be hearing about many wonderful resources for the Go Bible line, including a wonderful new resource called Sunday scribbles.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before we do that, we'd like to start every Bible for Kids Podcast with a Bible verse.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Mike,
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, today's verse is from Luke 8, verse 15.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart who hear the word retain it and by persevering produce a crop.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Luke 815 and that's our goal to spread seas of gods were to children so they'll take root and our amazing guest today is Taliyah Messina now it's so fun to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but wait wait wait wait wait for the rest of the bio
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go to the deep passion for storytelling and find a great joint helping authors hone their craft while navigating the complexities of the publishing world, which is not working with authors and manuscripts.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's usually found rock climbing or enjoying board games with her friends and family.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you could say, hello.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good to be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tally, it's so great to see you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I work with you on Dead Sea squirrels.
[SPEAKER_03]: And whenever I see you, you know, there's a joy there, but there's also, you know, it's like, oh, do I owe her feedback on anything?
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also it makes me a little nervous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I've got to get her notes back on this one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, you've been, so you and your team at Tindell are just so amazing to work with and just a pleasure to have you on and talk about your reading project.
[SPEAKER_02]: we really we really bring the fun with the kids team and the Dead Sea squirrels are no exception we honestly try to work them into any conversation we can have but the best thing ever is just coming alongside an author when they have a great idea and helping them hone it and
[SPEAKER_02]: and getting it out there in the world, so it's in your life.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you've got a super fun job developing products for kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: As an acquisition editor, you specialize in children's books.
[SPEAKER_03]: What qualities do you look for when we're talking about Sunday scribbles?
[SPEAKER_03]: What qualities do you look for in that to ensure it will truly resonate and engage with a young audience?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, well, Sunday scribbles is unique because we developed it in house, so we didn't have an author involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to a children's pastor about what she really felt like her kids needed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in that discussion, I heard her saying that the giving the kids the Bible is great, but you really need something interactive to go alongside it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so through conversations with her and other children's pastors that I was talking to, I started to hear repeating themes of, okay, the kids are really restless in church.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need something to help keep them actively listening, but something that's also still teaching them and helping them understand what they're listening to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's kind of how Sunday scribbles came about.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I even thought about in-church
[SPEAKER_02]: What if there are things that you just don't you're you're hearing that you never hear anywhere else like words that you're never hearing Well, let's add a glossary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's add, you know, it just the creativity just lent itself to Making a creative journal for kids to use in the sermon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this part
[SPEAKER_01]: of, you know, your whole go Bible brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's built on that promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: When God calls, it's time to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, and talk a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, we're going to talk more about the sentence scribbles, but talk about even the brand and kind of its purpose of, um, I got a little bit of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just something we read and fill our mind with, but it's time to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really think that faith is something that we're meant to wrestle with, we're meant to question it and challenge it, and it's in that wrestling that you find the truth of the gospel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think kids are done a disservice when you're just teaching them the story and the facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are incredible bibles out there that do that, that help the kids understand the story,
[SPEAKER_02]: What I love about Go Bible is it takes it a step further.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about, well, what is, why does this matter?
[SPEAKER_02]: How does this change your life?
[SPEAKER_02]: How does it transform your life in a way now that's different than before you read the Bible?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what every feature in Go Bible is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not,
[SPEAKER_02]: Go is supposed to mean you hear it and then you go there's there's an action there's a next step it's not just in one ear and out the other and so we were very intentional in creating the different features and attributes of this Bible with that kind of transformation in mind because isn't that what we really want for kids anyways when they're reading the Bible?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's great if you know how many brothers Joseph had but that's not gonna help you when you're having a really rough day
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's what is the heart of the story and how does that change you and make you closer to Jesus?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Sunday scribbles.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got the go Bible and Sunday scribbles is like a journal that goes along with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that is that right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a supplement that goes along with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: How does that help children prepare their hearts and minds to live out?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what you were just talking about that active, you know, here in Go faith in their daily lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we laid out the journal in such a way that there's three different sections.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the no section where you're writing down facts that you're hearing in the sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the grow section where you're processing what you've heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You may be doodling or drawing or there may be a fun fact that
[SPEAKER_02]: you can outline or engage with and then there's or listening games and then there's a go section that asks you a question for after the service who someone you can ask a question to or an encouragement that you can give someone that week and so it takes kids through the three tenants that we use for go Bible but helps them understand it in the context of what they just listen to in the sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is so cool because, I mean, I have left the kids and when you get them to sit still and pay attention, I might need this for my teenagers and I'm not even joking like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even joking, especially like Easter Sunday it was so full like they were rowing front of us and I'm just gonna keep like tapping them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love that because they're listening for those words, and they're listening for the takeaway and I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: better than to help them understand the message being shared.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I love that you're doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are there like intentional places?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear more about like where they would write stuff down or how does that work as they're actually listening?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the, in the no section, there's, it asks them what was your favorite song during worship, what are the Bible verses that you're hearing, what's the speaker's name, just sort of a context for the beginning part of service.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the gross section is space for drawing,
[SPEAKER_02]: and also space for questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's five different layouts that alternate throughout this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are always a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also space to write new words that you've never heard before.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some questions about what can I learn about God and myself from this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that one of my favorite aspects of the listening is there's a listen and find bingo, which is a whole bunch of key words that the pastor would say, or in the Bible reading, we actually looked up what are the most popular words in the Bible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when the kids hear them, there's a little wine art image that they can color in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the idea is that you're trying to actively listen and get bingo while coloring them all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a similar word search bingo where when you hear the word Jesus, then you find Jesus in the word search and just getting them more familiar with those types of terms.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that sounds like a great thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it seems so much healthier than what I did with my brothers and what in church when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: We always just tried to see who can make each other laugh during a sermon to get my dad mad at us.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So kind of joke I could come up with here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it is a great conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Bible for kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are here with Talia Missina, who is at Tindale talking about the Sunday scribbles.
[SPEAKER_03]: I tell you so many great things about, you know, Sunday scribbles and, you know, kind of, you know, that resource for kids in church.
[SPEAKER_03]: And another cool thing is it addresses various learning styles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So can you talk about what those styles are for a minute and how you keep those different styles in mind when you include, you know, various activities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's five different layouts when you're looking through the journal and they keep repeating so that kids can, if they gravitate towards one over another, they can keep using it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's one that has significantly more white space for drawing and boxes without any lines where kids can either draw out their notes or maybe they doodle on the side and
[SPEAKER_02]: or there's a space for them to draw their own outfit that they're wearing at church or an outfit that they think the character is wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of our art layout.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then there's a layout for kids who are just more word people and so it has a lot of lines, it has bullet point areas for like right out your questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you hear a silly word?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your prayer requests?
[SPEAKER_02]: the hyperactive kind of, we really need to be actively listening, maybe Mike has a child positive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's related so well to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: um that's the the gaming layout which has um word searches and bingo and listen out for this type of word um then there's a real just free spirit kind of layout um which is mostly blank but has
[SPEAKER_02]: big bubble letter verses for kids to fill in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea with that is really that if kids are hearing something that is interesting to them, but they don't, I don't want them to feel literally boxed in by a box.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there are some doodles and things for them to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a section that has fun facts that are pulled straight from go Bible that help kids to go deeper into the Bible.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of all the the different types of learning styles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's art and writing and doodling and active listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we really tried to think of all different types of of kids when we were creating this.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love you on the active listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're coloring.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found with a lot of my kids, if I'm reading it a lot, then they need to be doing something with their hands, it actually helps them with some better, which, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have to know, so you talked about the bingo, tell you, have you taken this to church?
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you done a bingo?
[SPEAKER_01]: yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am not taking it to church, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've created my own bingo boards for when I was trying, I'm the oldest child of my family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I would create these for my siblings to try to keep them occupied.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently it was you know prepping for this very And it's something I actually like to do at Group movie nights also is just like waiting for a scene to happen or something to be said I just feel like it keeps people a lot more engaged so Yeah, but it would up my bingo skills, I guess if I really Trying to scratch that muscle
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I mean, I don't think I didn't do that, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you just kind of remarketed it, you know, bingo into amen, you know, so then when they got it, they just stand up and shout, amen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think the pastors would love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so, you know, I think, you know, in our attic upstairs, we've got like, you know, the kids report cards, they're papers from school, you know, as years have gone, you know, buy their grown now, but, you know, you describe this journal as a lasting keepsake.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can just imagine it's, that'd be another great thing to keep from your, you know, record to keep from your kids, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is they're growing to kind of see their spiritual journey along the way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's 52 Sunday or well 50 regular Sundays and then we have extra ones for Christmas and Easter that are specialty.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea is that you have it for a whole year and you can jump around and use which ones you want and then at the end of the year, hopefully you've been able to see the growth that you've had and the things that you've learned and then the next year you can get another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: and just continue to keep it and I find it really joyful to go back and look at my old journals.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't have something like this, but just notes that I put in my Bible and noticing what I had learned specifically from that year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's so great.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should sell it with like a lamination machine too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So after the years, I'm nominated.
[SPEAKER_03]: And highlighters, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Highlighters and stickers, and yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, no, you talked about, you know, you love helping people develop ideas and helping authors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was been super fun to do this in-house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, you know, because you're always helping other people, but you use your creative brains.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, you're training when you had your siblings to bingo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So talk about that, like those little aha moments as you think about this project.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just had to really channel my eight-year-old self, like board, like board, in a, in a few, like just how much longer is this going to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like tried to delve into that psyche.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I started to realize that my favorite parts of the sermon were,
[SPEAKER_02]: were things that they had told us in Sunday school and I was starting to make the connections.
[SPEAKER_02]: So things about what prayer actually is because I remember not realizing that it was actually too God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you had to be doing it in a public space and it had to be quiet and then finding out actually you can do that personally with God and same with worship and learning more
[SPEAKER_02]: we're working on the back end of this journal, which is more of like a Christian resource of what is prayer, what is worship, what is the meaning of the Bible, how is transformation shown in all those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not this, for me the most fun part was it's not just the interactive journal, but it's also
[SPEAKER_02]: the questions that will come up in service that the kids can go to the back of the journal and find a list of Christian words and find the Lord's prayer and it's a coloring sheet with the Lord's prayer and what is worship and what does it mean beyond just singing but actually living a life of worship and practical tips for following Jesus because I don't want them to gather all of
[SPEAKER_02]: and then be like, well, that was nice to hear all those things and also allows the parents if they don't know how to answer the questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to your journals, kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does it say there?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also acknowledge that some churches have different, they'll use different phrases or language whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we made sure to leave lines and space for kids to write my church believes
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that it's really unique to what their experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was just really fun to develop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the amount of adults who have told me they want this, we should be coming out with an adult version.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, I, I would really like to take this to church myself and just be, you know, scribbling on my own.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm sure pastors would appreciate that, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of looking down from the pulp and seeing everybody graciously taking notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're also here to boost the pastors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listening and receiving.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where the amen's come in well, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then just end up, amen.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's like, well, I am on today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, on the page it doesn't say bingo super big so I did think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want kids yelling it out Like we should have talked beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great idea
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, so back to the Sunday Skuppels as part of Go Bible, where you also have memory cards and devotionals, and it's a full suite of tools that you guys have developed for kids, how can parents and teachers best use these things altogether for their kids?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I feel like it goes back to learning styles again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we have Keyverse Challenge, which has the games and activities for memorization.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can just, the cards are perforated in that book.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can pull them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know someone who has them in a jar in their kitchen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they'll pull a verse out every morning and they'll do the activity on the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's, again, for, like, interactive.
[SPEAKER_02]: kids and maybe when it's hard to get their attention, the gospel story for kids is a short little resource.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an outreach thing that churches can use that has the whole story of the gospel from creation to revelation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it really succinctly describes it either to new believers or kids who are just trying to understand how the whole story works together.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have a
[SPEAKER_02]: that's coming out in September.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that Delves a little bit more deeply into the actual Bible stories and the themes of transformation in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we also have stickers, who doesn't like those.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're also expanding into the Spanish market, too, with Biblio Go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we're really stocking it up, and we have about two years worth more of products coming, coming long.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sweet, sweet, sweet and it's really a go not like Biblio Vamos or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're Yeah, no, that was I mean I can't speak for the translation team so no one knows it is Biblio Go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're to understand Go is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Talia, thank you so much for being with us here today Can you just let our listeners know how they can find out more about go Bible products and you know your work at Tindale in general
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can visit Amazon or Tindale or really anywhere books are sold.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can also follow us, Tindale Kids on Instagram, and you'll always know what new things are coming along.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you so much for being here.
[SPEAKER_01]: and thank you for having me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
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