WEBVTT 00:03.068 --> 00:07.999 [SPEAKER_02]: This show is brought to you by The Makeery, the podcast network for Makeers. 00:16.501 --> 00:17.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Ready. 00:17.342 --> 00:26.873 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys, well, man, I wish I recorded the last two minutes of the full test podcast, but he couldn't, because we had some of you things to talk about, but don't worry about that. 00:27.193 --> 00:34.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, this is the full blast podcast, I'm Jeff Fader, and before we get into it with my man, Riley Kirk Patrick, we're gonna take care of a little business. 00:34.261 --> 00:39.627 [SPEAKER_02]: First things first, one of the thing, my friends, it brought back ironworks, makers of the two by 72 grinder. 00:39.667 --> 00:40.609 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a great grinder. 00:41.009 --> 00:46.255 [SPEAKER_02]: I just used it, I'm working on a pile of knives right now, and if it wasn't for that, 00:46.235 --> 00:52.362 [SPEAKER_02]: go to Broadwayconnerworks.com and when 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great podcast of Ferrier-centric Forging, but hopefully we're gonna hopefully I'll get on there and be a total novice there. 07:50.076 --> 07:51.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Riley, how are you? 07:51.738 --> 07:52.539 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing good, man. 07:53.280 --> 07:59.246 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you finally got to go like experience what the WCB all is. 07:59.366 --> 08:01.288 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like the whole entire environment. 08:01.949 --> 08:21.610 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you, since I started becoming friends with you and Ben especially, I've known Ben for quite a while and watching you guys, just I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I watched just the way Ferrier swing their hammers. 08:21.590 --> 08:30.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, only in the beginning of knife talk, I ended up getting questions, who uses what hammers, what type of hammers. 08:30.439 --> 08:36.264 [SPEAKER_02]: And they got a lot of really interesting hammer choices by different blacksmiths from all of the place. 08:36.284 --> 08:49.437 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was really interesting, this kind of idea of the lighter hammer, longer handle, smaller head as opposed to these guys who think that you just got to swing a five pound hammer, like a mint maniac hammer. 08:49.417 --> 09:01.239 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really kind of, I've really just kind of started to look more about what fairiers are doing because most fairier hammers are on the smaller side, ahead, and longer handle, and the swing is totally different. 09:01.640 --> 09:08.252 [SPEAKER_02]: So ever since I started kind of seeing what you guys are doing, I've been fascinated, you know? 09:08.384 --> 09:17.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it is, it's a pretty efficient set up, but you're just swinging a hammer so much throughout a day as a horseshoeer. 09:17.395 --> 09:21.760 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to have an efficient set up, horse is not going to work out. 09:21.780 --> 09:29.470 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where it's like, when guys start throwing that stuff out there, like, oh, you need this size of a hammer and you need this angle height. 09:29.570 --> 09:37.159 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I mean, I think horseshoeers have that 09:37.392 --> 10:06.353 [SPEAKER_02]: I talked to, I did, I kind of summed up the story with Marekko and I was waiting for Blades Mystic at Mademy because I was ready to, when I left the WBC, I was just, I was saying to all the, you know, fairies, I was talking to you, I was just like, and I've been doing this for 20 some odd years, I've met people from all walks of life, I've watched the way people work, and I don't believe that there is a better forging technician than a forging fairier. 10:06.333 --> 10:12.240 [SPEAKER_02]: You can say some of some of them are making their own shoes, but which is that's for you to debate. 10:12.761 --> 10:20.330 [SPEAKER_02]: But like the idea of the fairer who forges, I think is the greatest, most efficient technician in all of origin. 10:20.770 --> 10:27.518 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was waiting for the knife makers to get mad and really upset because but at the same time it's just like, you watch these motherfuckers. 10:28.019 --> 10:35.648 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you watch, you watch you guys work and it's just like if you understand forging at all, these guys you guys all have it down. 10:35.948 --> 11:05.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's like a, it's interesting or you say that because like I thought that for a long time like and I've I've got to go around to the different groups, you know, in the different niches of forging and I but I'm pretty bias I started out of the horseshoer so I feel that way, but you you've gone from it from each part, you know, like I've known you've been like a fabricator more architectural blacksmithing and some like bladesmithing stuff and you've gone and hung out these different places so it's cool for you to see that. 11:05.767 --> 11:09.634 [SPEAKER_00]: to, like, to have that opinion, I think, because it's... 11:09.985 --> 11:38.490 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's the most like, you know, agricultural blacksmith, he might have like some building codes he asked to remember and stuff and a deadline, you know, coming up, but I guarantee that guy puts in his deadline and in his budget and like fuck ups, you know, fuck up room when you're a horse you were especially competitive horse you were it's like there's zero fuck up room right you have to remember all the anatomy of a horse and all that. 11:38.470 --> 11:42.696 [SPEAKER_00]: There's blood involved, there's a horse involved that like he has a timeline. 11:43.077 --> 11:49.866 [SPEAKER_00]: He has restraints inside of his hoof and then on top of that we get the competition side of it. 11:49.906 --> 12:03.686 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, well, here's the restraints you have as far as the stock you get to use, the equipment you get to use and the timeline you get to use and we're just going to like shorten that up anyways to put it in a pressure test so we can have the cream rise to the top. 12:03.706 --> 12:04.647 [SPEAKER_02]: It was 12:04.627 --> 12:25.909 [SPEAKER_02]: It was the most, I mean, when I had plenty of time to really think about it, and it was like, it was the most efficient in the sense of, you know, knife-making, there's, you know, I'm not even going to bring, it's hard, you can't even really bring up fortune fire because it's like, there's so much subjectivity. 12:25.889 --> 12:34.557 [SPEAKER_02]: But the forging the forging so just if you haven't listened I would highly suggest if you're listening now Listen to the last episode with Ben and we kind of touched upon how it works. 12:34.959 --> 12:39.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the crazy part is is like the craziest part is 12:39.507 --> 12:49.768 [SPEAKER_02]: the way the competition once is like the knockout rounds, you know, they'll, they'll have like a, like a cover, you know, all the people competing will be around. 12:49.788 --> 13:00.891 [SPEAKER_02]: They'll have a few minutes and then they'll raise the cover and then there's the hoof and you have like 5 or 10 minutes to measure the hoof and then you get 30 seconds. 13:01.073 --> 13:02.134 [SPEAKER_02]: 30 seconds. 13:02.174 --> 13:03.115 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you'd get a few. 13:03.135 --> 13:03.415 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 13:03.435 --> 13:06.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, in the beginning, you're 30 seconds. 13:07.118 --> 13:09.260 [SPEAKER_02]: So is everybody just like jumping on that? 13:09.501 --> 13:15.066 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and that's he, that's just kind of at the end at the beginning when you're like, just the beginning of that match play deal. 13:15.126 --> 13:16.587 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's only 10 seconds. 13:16.687 --> 13:24.034 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you just get 10 seconds to get whatever measurements you can and kind of get a look at that thing and go. 13:24.054 --> 13:31.080 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you turn to the right and there's a chops on the ground, the pile of steel. 13:31.060 --> 13:32.586 [SPEAKER_02]: And P.S. 13:32.827 --> 13:33.871 [SPEAKER_02]: shout out to the fairiers. 13:34.654 --> 13:39.092 [SPEAKER_02]: I only saw Chris Madrid was the only guy wearing safety glasses the whole time. 13:39.112 --> 13:40.739 [SPEAKER_02]: These are some bad motherfuckers right here. 13:40.759 --> 13:41.241 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't give up. 13:41.562 --> 13:41.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck. 13:42.130 --> 13:50.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Craig says it all in time like we're one inch here as a claim away from his whole thing going away You look around man. 13:50.417 --> 14:12.137 [SPEAKER_02]: It's danger everywhere There was danger everywhere at the best part as I talked about I was looking up You know, I was looking up at the at the at the stacks the cold stacks going up to the root the ceiling and there was probably like Let's just say let's just say there was like six to eight feet between the top of the stacks I don't remember exactly to the to the to the galvanized roof 14:12.117 --> 14:21.111 [SPEAKER_02]: At one point, some guy on the other side had the forge going full blast and it was red circle. 14:21.852 --> 14:27.260 [SPEAKER_02]: He was starting to cook that roof and I was made a joke to, I made a joke to Ben. 14:27.281 --> 14:30.526 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, if you flew over that roof, it's going to look like a domino. 14:30.826 --> 14:35.513 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to look like a domino with all of the like the eight, the eight holes, all the eight dots. 14:36.114 --> 14:39.880 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, everybody's in there just breathe and freaking galvanized. 14:39.860 --> 14:54.599 [SPEAKER_02]: where the burn paint, I picked your eight burned holes at the top with a burn paint, but I'd tell you what, right, so you have a few minutes and then it's just, you have this, what a how much, all right, so let's just kind of break it down. 14:55.140 --> 15:01.969 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want it to join the 15:02.000 --> 15:03.221 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, essentially. 15:03.401 --> 15:04.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 15:04.302 --> 15:10.908 [SPEAKER_02]: And then what if you're novice, how do you, so then there, once you, how do you win to get into the next? 15:12.029 --> 15:13.490 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can join right up. 15:13.550 --> 15:16.213 [SPEAKER_00]: You can join right up into the categories if you wanted to. 15:16.733 --> 15:19.396 [SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of works as like, there's a novice category. 15:19.736 --> 15:22.959 [SPEAKER_00]: And those guys are making the same shoes every contest. 15:23.119 --> 15:32.007 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just a very plain set of like, or basic of like a fundamental sort of like a pair of fronts 15:31.987 --> 15:35.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you go into the categories. 15:35.792 --> 15:40.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Once you're in the categories, you're kind of making, everybody's making all the same crazy shoes pretty much. 15:41.479 --> 15:48.227 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's some specimen shoes made or like in match play, there's some like crazy or harder shoes to make. 15:49.128 --> 15:54.535 [SPEAKER_00]: And but you're only getting judged against the guys and your category. 15:54.515 --> 16:00.170 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't, like, you, your position, you get a position and category at a certain point. 16:00.190 --> 16:03.038 [SPEAKER_02]: You get judged and then you can get into a different category, right? 16:03.118 --> 16:04.040 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 16:04.100 --> 16:05.103 [SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of move up. 16:05.263 --> 16:06.908 [SPEAKER_00]: You can move up whenever you want. 16:06.948 --> 16:09.655 [SPEAKER_00]: You can just like, well, I'm going to be a category for now. 16:09.635 --> 16:12.500 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just, yeah, not going to be too smart. 16:12.881 --> 16:17.971 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you first join up, you can be a category one, like when you first get into the categories. 16:18.291 --> 16:23.401 [SPEAKER_00]: And that guy, he gets like even in your individual class, you get help, you get a fireman. 16:23.601 --> 16:25.244 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to run your fire for you. 16:25.545 --> 16:27.188 [SPEAKER_00]: So you just don't burn all your crap up. 16:27.505 --> 16:49.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that's that that's pretty hard part is like man, you got to manage a fire and you got and that fire has to be going balls to the wall so you can get done we I started counting we started Ben and I figured that to get that when they were working on their their their horseshoe's native get a they had to get a forge well going 16:49.122 --> 17:03.364 [SPEAKER_02]: We think that it was around 20 seconds before, before putting the steel back into the, into the coal, a coke and then throwing the, throwing the oxygen all the way, and it was about 20 seconds before he was ready for forge welding. 17:03.624 --> 17:08.532 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the amount, the fire management was another part that was like, 17:08.512 --> 17:31.583 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all right, so, so a lot of the, in the early morning, it was more along the lines of, there was a lot of, I guess, right, everybody was forging and then some of the novices had strikers and then they were, there were people who had strikers and people didn't have strikers, and then when you towards the afternoon when it was like kind of the knockout rounds, 17:31.563 --> 17:33.987 [SPEAKER_00]: There goes to a match play. 17:34.048 --> 17:36.352 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a different, a little different event. 17:36.392 --> 17:45.188 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's like the main category classes or the main classes and those are always like you got an individual day and then you got a two-man day type deal. 17:45.609 --> 17:49.656 [SPEAKER_00]: But then those classes are always an hour long. 17:49.788 --> 17:51.230 [SPEAKER_00]: and they have two shoes in them. 17:52.011 --> 17:55.656 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's what's called the match play, like the knockout round deal. 17:55.696 --> 17:57.699 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's just, that's head to head. 17:58.260 --> 18:00.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And the classes are always very, very short. 18:01.024 --> 18:03.227 [SPEAKER_00]: And the whole goal is to fit a foot. 18:03.247 --> 18:06.151 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where you get your 10 second look at it. 18:07.072 --> 18:10.337 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to go like this time, this last event, it was a heart bar shoes. 18:10.377 --> 18:12.500 [SPEAKER_00]: So like a horse's foot has like a hoof. 18:12.720 --> 18:15.464 [SPEAKER_00]: And then a frog, like that's all the weight bearing structure. 18:16.025 --> 18:19.069 [SPEAKER_00]: And so sometimes you want that shoe to cover all that. 18:19.049 --> 18:38.172 [SPEAKER_00]: and so like essentially they're making a shoot that looks like a heart like if you had a blacksmith make a heart like wrap it around and forge weld it together and so like normally that shoot would take someone like 30 minutes but then in this knockout class you know this match play they're gonna do they just cut them in half essentially so they're like all right we're going to start and you guys got 12 minutes to start. 18:38.675 --> 18:42.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where it starts like it's really fast-paced little competition deal. 18:43.022 --> 18:50.215 [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite a curiosity, just because you're looking at the heart bar shirt shoe. 18:50.275 --> 19:03.197 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the inside, the back, I'm not the toe in, but the back end that kind of turns in like, oh, I called the cleavage of the heart, is where that's where the scarf well is. 19:03.177 --> 19:03.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 19:04.200 --> 19:05.142 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where the scarf will is. 19:05.523 --> 19:10.397 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the difference between that and then a straight to a straight bar? 19:10.457 --> 19:11.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Why would a horse shoe? 19:12.021 --> 19:16.714 [SPEAKER_02]: Why would a horse need that the heart bar versus the straight back? 19:17.555 --> 19:28.609 [SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes a horse doesn't want the weight on the frog, like their frog's tender, or you need to just have it more open so you can doctor inside of the foot. 19:29.290 --> 19:32.314 [SPEAKER_00]: But also it's like a straight bar is faster and easier. 19:32.394 --> 19:38.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can fit a straight bar, faster and easier to a foot, and it takes a little less steel than a heart bar. 19:38.482 --> 19:46.532 [SPEAKER_00]: Heart bars are one of the hardest shoes to make and fit to a foot, and so people avoid them a lot. 19:46.512 --> 19:47.614 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're hard. 19:47.835 --> 19:49.679 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, yes, the difference a lot. 19:49.699 --> 19:52.905 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the someone wants to just like, man, I don't want to make a heart bar. 19:53.006 --> 19:57.996 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to put a straight bar on there where it's like usually a straight a heart bar is the best answer. 19:58.076 --> 19:59.880 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the most protection in most help. 20:00.299 --> 20:05.165 [SPEAKER_02]: right because it's protecting that it's just going in and it's covering where that frog is where you're in. 20:05.706 --> 20:16.119 [SPEAKER_02]: The crazy part is now that I think about it, you know, what a normal person would imagine a horseshoe with no back bar, no back bar, no hard bar. 20:16.880 --> 20:28.315 [SPEAKER_02]: I would think that those are probably the easiest to adjust after the fact, but now that I think about it, when you forge well done and basically you're creating the most for the lack of a better term of circle, 20:28.295 --> 20:34.587 [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's not a lot of room for, for adjustment after you forge weld the back, the back, uh, heart part again. 20:34.607 --> 20:36.050 [SPEAKER_00]: They're no, just zero. 20:36.350 --> 20:38.675 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like all, uh, like the angles, everything. 20:38.735 --> 20:39.977 [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of just, they're fixed. 20:40.578 --> 20:41.961 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to got what you got there. 20:42.542 --> 20:44.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you hit it somewhere, 20:44.647 --> 20:45.750 [SPEAKER_00]: and moves everything else. 20:45.830 --> 20:48.436 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you're pretty, you're kind of just going to be there. 20:49.278 --> 20:49.900 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. 20:50.281 --> 21:01.508 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the reason why I think it's the most efficient in a lot of it's because well number one is a lot of if you look at ornamental iron workers or ornamental blacksmiths or bladesmiths or something like that. 21:01.488 --> 21:05.837 [SPEAKER_02]: We all have a lot of like, we all figure out ways in which to make life a lot easier. 21:05.877 --> 21:06.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh yeah. 21:06.578 --> 21:10.806 [SPEAKER_02]: Power hammers and Dilitene tools and torches. 21:10.846 --> 21:11.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Torches. 21:11.828 --> 21:14.894 [SPEAKER_02]: All this stuff to make it not so physically exerting. 21:15.395 --> 21:18.301 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're making horseshoes, all that shit doesn't work at all. 21:18.522 --> 21:22.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, sometimes the classes are set up to be just hard. 21:22.750 --> 21:37.350 [SPEAKER_00]: yeah just be really hard like literally this last competition the part of the class was you had to start with two pieces to make one shoot so you had to forge well the shoot the bar stock together just before you even began 21:37.516 --> 21:38.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was interesting. 21:38.818 --> 21:43.704 [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned that because I was, I was, Ben thought I was going to, I was going to get sick of it. 21:43.805 --> 21:45.727 [SPEAKER_02]: I was there from the morning to night. 21:45.747 --> 21:49.432 [SPEAKER_02]: We watched the last thing and I was like, trying to focus on different things. 21:49.452 --> 21:53.638 [SPEAKER_02]: And what was interesting was his Peter head, his Peter head versus Troy Woods towards the end. 21:53.658 --> 21:54.199 [SPEAKER_02]: They had two. 21:54.459 --> 21:55.981 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a very dramatic finish. 21:56.722 --> 22:01.148 [SPEAKER_02]: And the, I don't know if it was the last or the second or the last shoe they had to do one more. 22:01.168 --> 22:03.051 [SPEAKER_02]: It was two different sized. 22:03.031 --> 22:22.221 [SPEAKER_02]: pieces of steel they had a forge wall together and I guess the outside was the bigger side and then the smaller bar was the smaller side and I was watching the both of them and what was super cool about the whole thing is you'd expect because it's all efficiency all like everything is almost but every it seems as though 22:22.201 --> 22:25.947 [SPEAKER_02]: being a forging fairer is everything is by the book. 22:26.408 --> 22:32.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Like everything seems to be by the book, except for the fact there's ten ways to start. 22:33.079 --> 22:39.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know that like I know the Peter had and his striker, the first thing they were doing was forge welding with two bars together. 22:39.970 --> 22:46.420 [SPEAKER_02]: But then Troy was trying to start shaping everything before the forge weld. 22:46.400 --> 22:47.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 22:47.101 --> 22:57.480 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was crazy to me because I was watching Troy two Troy would was really interesting because I could tell he was trying to get a lot more out of each Heat than everybody else He was bending. 22:57.520 --> 23:09.302 [SPEAKER_02]: He was he was he he was started the bends early But then it before he started kind of working the rest of the rest of the the horseshoe He already started in sizing for where the holes were going to go 23:09.282 --> 23:26.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, every kind of move needs to be doing two jobs almost at that point, and man, it's like, I mean, I've known Troy now since he was 17, he Troy came with the guy that he was a pretty seen with to my shop for like a little hammer and tongue clinic. 23:27.892 --> 23:30.717 [SPEAKER_00]: And right away, I was like, do this kid's different. 23:30.697 --> 23:50.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like this guy this kid's gonna go places, but like I've talked to him You know before like in these last couple of years and like he's trying to break the hammer handle every swing He wants to feel a flex he's he's I we watch him before lunch I watched him in and he had an hour to forge four horses. 23:50.963 --> 23:55.609 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was like he there was not one wasted moment. 23:55.669 --> 23:57.531 [SPEAKER_02]: No, man It was so cool 23:57.511 --> 24:09.691 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so cool because, and I think that, I don't think, I think that the just your standard even blacks with hobbyists or blades with hobbyists, they don't give a shit about this because I don't think they're interested in mechanics whatsoever. 24:10.071 --> 24:13.878 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I hear so many messages of people saying, I don't know about that, but I just know what to hit things. 24:14.258 --> 24:18.405 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, you're missing out so much nuance. 24:18.385 --> 24:23.292 [SPEAKER_02]: And this guy has got so much talent of speaking of like no way to talent. 24:23.312 --> 24:24.634 [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching that guy Cortez. 24:24.654 --> 24:25.896 [SPEAKER_02]: What's his of Cortez last name? 24:26.177 --> 24:26.677 [SPEAKER_02]: Wadale. 24:27.098 --> 24:29.141 [SPEAKER_02]: Cortez Wadale. 24:29.161 --> 24:31.344 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a thin, strong guy. 24:31.404 --> 24:32.145 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in the morning. 24:32.646 --> 24:35.871 [SPEAKER_02]: He dropped, he dropped a horse shoe on the ground. 24:35.851 --> 24:37.994 [SPEAKER_02]: and he snatched up so fast. 24:38.054 --> 24:46.444 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd never seen anyone pick up anything as quickly and as smoothly with a pair of tongs off the floor like Cortez Wadell. 24:46.464 --> 24:51.009 [SPEAKER_02]: That was like, I turned to, I turned to Benham like that dude's a badass. 24:51.029 --> 24:52.851 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that dude's done this before. 24:53.212 --> 25:00.180 [SPEAKER_02]: If you ever try to pick anything up the floor with it, I mean, he just like, he just reached down with his tongs and snatched up in one moment. 25:00.220 --> 25:04.305 [SPEAKER_00]: There is this video of, so you got to meet Chris Madrid. 25:04.285 --> 25:05.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't get to meet him. 25:05.367 --> 25:06.048 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch him. 25:06.248 --> 25:06.488 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 25:06.509 --> 25:11.076 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Madrid is we all call him money because money is just money. 25:11.236 --> 25:14.401 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he's he's been around for quite a while now. 25:14.521 --> 25:18.267 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, when I first came on the scene, Chris was kind of like the man. 25:18.407 --> 25:23.175 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he still is the man, but I watched a video a little video of him the other day. 25:23.255 --> 25:27.762 [SPEAKER_00]: He, he was going to do a jump well like that to put pieces together. 25:27.742 --> 25:34.472 [SPEAKER_00]: one fell on the floor and he just kind of set the other piece on top of it and jump well to the mall the ground real quick. 25:34.492 --> 25:35.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 25:35.112 --> 25:36.875 [SPEAKER_00]: Pick him up and just kept working. 25:36.895 --> 25:38.197 [SPEAKER_02]: That's outstanding. 25:38.217 --> 25:38.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 25:38.738 --> 25:40.720 [SPEAKER_02]: That is the baddest thing I've ever heard. 25:40.740 --> 25:41.882 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes man's like, oh my god. 25:41.962 --> 25:47.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Or she wears our smooth dudes because it's like times money and they're trying to make some money and get the horse done. 25:48.091 --> 25:48.872 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the. 25:48.852 --> 26:09.122 [SPEAKER_02]: that's the craziest part because once again you can be fast and smooth and powerful and have stamina but at the end of the day there's no subjectivity it's like it's been a little there's got to write there's still some and there's still politics like it's it's probably dot visual from like when you first see it a little bit but like 26:09.254 --> 26:23.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the live show in classes man like that judge knows who who's chewing which horse and like like I got to judge the WCB last year We got to judge the big one of the like the end of the year me and Gavin did and 26:24.290 --> 26:38.249 [SPEAKER_00]: that would like I kind of knew who shoes were who on the table, even though I didn't they don't have their name on it or anything, but I know each guy's little idiosyncrasies pretty well, so like and like I definitely know the top 10 guys is really well. 26:38.529 --> 26:47.361 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I could tell you who shoes were who's a little bit, so like there are some politics that go into it and there is some style that goes into it. 26:47.881 --> 26:54.408 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have the same roadster horseshoe, but four different judges are going to want that shoe for different ways. 26:55.609 --> 26:58.392 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is some subjectivity to it a little bit. 26:58.913 --> 26:59.313 [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit? 26:59.333 --> 27:03.578 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was at the highest level I could imagine. 27:04.138 --> 27:05.640 [SPEAKER_00]: But like yes, yes. 27:06.080 --> 27:13.568 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, at the end of the day, the horseshoe has to fit the horse correctly. 27:13.548 --> 27:33.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, it does and and and and and that's the difference between a you know a blacksmith or a blade let's just say a bladesmith and a fair and or fair you call them for would if I say fairer or can I say forging fairer what would I look fairer or should it man it's funny because like we're almost made fun of a little bit even in the horseshoe and world of like 27:33.764 --> 27:34.245 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 27:34.265 --> 27:38.154 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only a hundred guys that go to that thing out of all horseshoers. 27:38.374 --> 27:44.709 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're kind of like the one percent and like everybody called us the hammer heads, you know, that's ridiculous. 27:44.749 --> 27:49.900 [SPEAKER_02]: That is like so it's just there's a there's some jealousy that that's the crap. 27:49.920 --> 27:50.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was there. 27:50.722 --> 27:53.308 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly felt like I honestly felt like 27:53.778 --> 28:22.452 [SPEAKER_02]: I when I was there I was having such a good time and I felt like such a spectator and I felt as though I'm like I thought to my watching these guys I'm thinking of myself how would I fare in this I said I would probably need six months of training because that's the other thing like I remember talking to Ben when he did it last year at a really good conversation with Ben during it and obviously but I remember we were talking beforehand and he was just talking about how many of God he and horses you had to do to get ready. 28:22.432 --> 28:23.113 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it, dude. 28:23.133 --> 28:28.782 [SPEAKER_00]: I would like right now I'm not competing and it's not because I don't have time to go to the competition. 28:29.723 --> 28:32.247 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time to practice for the competition. 28:32.567 --> 28:35.191 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to ask to be every and not like you can go. 28:35.232 --> 28:38.016 [SPEAKER_00]: You can go and you can suck and that's okay. 28:38.096 --> 28:39.358 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine for you. 28:39.999 --> 28:43.444 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to go and you want to do good, you need to practice every day. 28:44.133 --> 28:57.855 [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to be hurt and you're going to be sore when you go and like Craig the guy that runs a thing he's like you can kind of always tell the guys that are probably going to be placed in the top in because they're scrawny, they're kind of tired looking, they got back into their eyes and their hands are hard as rocks. 28:57.970 --> 28:59.653 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of those types of dude. 28:59.673 --> 29:01.536 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a ton of scrawny guys. 29:02.037 --> 29:05.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah dude, that was like, that was just swelting and working hard. 29:06.204 --> 29:08.268 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody kind of look like Craig's son. 29:08.628 --> 29:10.191 [SPEAKER_02]: What's he talking about? 29:10.732 --> 29:10.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Both. 29:10.912 --> 29:13.176 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, these guys are tall, thin. 29:13.737 --> 29:20.569 [SPEAKER_02]: They look like, you know, 135 pounds choking wet, six, two, and they're big dudes under that tent. 29:20.549 --> 29:25.218 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they look exhausted. 29:25.238 --> 29:27.302 [SPEAKER_02]: And their clothes are way too big for them. 29:27.863 --> 29:29.706 [SPEAKER_02]: And they are monsters. 29:30.067 --> 29:33.814 [SPEAKER_02]: That's almost like the cauliflower ear of the horseshoeing world. 29:34.295 --> 29:42.490 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like a big tall scraughty guy with clothes that barely fit up because they have no, they just have worn their their wore their bodies away to nothing. 29:42.470 --> 29:44.333 [SPEAKER_00]: and they got a call us on their right hand. 29:44.413 --> 29:47.618 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, big as a rock from the hammer. 29:48.278 --> 29:49.000 [SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy. 29:49.340 --> 30:02.399 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, I enjoyed it so much and it was like, I was just, I was in complete awe about just watching in the crazy, the other crazy part is so the WBC was right next to rodeo. 30:02.419 --> 30:04.562 [SPEAKER_02]: There was not a lot of spectators. 30:05.243 --> 30:06.485 [SPEAKER_00]: And there never really is. 30:06.665 --> 30:09.169 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like one of the 30:10.617 --> 30:20.613 [SPEAKER_00]: We always talk about it and it's like, how could you make it more spectator friendly and it's hard to say, you know, and it's a lot of it, I think is because you don't really know what's going on. 30:21.475 --> 30:29.588 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's hard really and it's not real quick happening, especially those hour long classes, it's like, it can be kind of boring. 30:31.441 --> 30:54.158 [SPEAKER_02]: but you get down to the end of the road and match play with ten minutes trough a forge at my count of the heat at one point I'm watching him all day watching him all the while I'm very fickle you know it's just like he says I listen to the podcast I'm just like all right good I'm following you all day that's right actually all you've done so you said everything you need to say I follow you I got you in the whole thing 30:54.138 --> 30:55.821 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was watching him in a one point. 30:55.861 --> 31:00.710 [SPEAKER_02]: I was counting how many heats he got to finish at one of the shoes. 31:01.170 --> 31:03.695 [SPEAKER_02]: So once again, you start with a straight bar. 31:03.735 --> 31:07.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like three quarters by three-eighths or something like that. 31:07.241 --> 31:07.481 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:07.501 --> 31:18.120 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to bend it and it has to be symmetrical and it has to have, you know, maybe of maybe let's just say without that you have the tock forged, the forged clips on the back, the back. 31:18.100 --> 31:37.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you have the toe clips, which I found out based off of just talking, I think I had been next to me, that didn't realize that I had a specific hammer with a cone, just for starting a cone clip, the cone hammer, which is a total, is a totally new situation for me. 31:38.056 --> 31:42.724 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you got to get a couple of them on, and you did it on six heats. 31:42.940 --> 31:48.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the count like man the clip in Amherst hard to cuz it's like the count Amherst clip in Amherst. 31:48.350 --> 31:53.139 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a ball pain, but a longer pain, and it's very narrow with the end Right. 31:53.439 --> 32:01.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like a half inch ball at the end and you got to be super accurate with that thing and you're already so tired. 32:01.654 --> 32:02.215 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 32:02.195 --> 32:11.907 [SPEAKER_00]: like, and you got to just, you have to be super accurate with it, or like, that were you because the clip is a sheer key pretty much that you're going to put into the hoof wall on the top. 32:11.927 --> 32:13.830 [SPEAKER_00]: So you take stress and sheer off the nails. 32:14.971 --> 32:24.102 [SPEAKER_00]: It also is like the truth detector a little bit of like, well, you can't be underneath the hoof wall now or underneath the foot because you got this clip out there. 32:24.162 --> 32:26.245 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to keep you out of the front. 32:26.225 --> 32:29.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Also you have now called your shot of like that's the middle. 32:29.850 --> 32:31.391 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm going to say that's the middle. 32:31.472 --> 32:55.101 [SPEAKER_00]: So when the judge puts the shoe on there, he's going to put that clip right where the frog because the frog in the middle is like a V pointing right its direction right so he's going to put that clip right where that frog is pointing and that shoe now has to just fit around that foot you know like because if you there's no fudge in the shoe around and then have having the clip off center because now now it doesn't fit. 32:55.942 --> 32:59.809 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it is kind of crazy that you have to just nail it with that little tiny hammer. 32:59.869 --> 33:01.332 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very nice class. 33:01.392 --> 33:03.456 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing is crazy. 33:03.516 --> 33:12.232 [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole thing is crazy because it should be people should be like, You shouldn't be making jokes about these guys. 33:13.494 --> 33:16.600 [SPEAKER_02]: Because everything is everything counts. 33:16.580 --> 33:24.288 [SPEAKER_02]: And everything is fast and there's, you know, like I said, Troy Woods, he said he's only 23 have been doing since he's 16, 17. 33:24.508 --> 33:24.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:24.988 --> 33:29.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a little bit of like, I mean, Troy, he's ridiculous, right? 33:29.133 --> 33:30.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's not the normal course. 33:31.034 --> 33:31.755 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:31.775 --> 33:32.056 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 33:32.076 --> 33:33.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not the normal course. 33:33.697 --> 33:39.303 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's, no, it is, if it's impressive, man, it is, even the guys that have been doing it for a long time. 33:39.363 --> 33:44.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a very impressive thing of what they can do very efficiently. 33:44.508 --> 34:11.808 [SPEAKER_02]: I think at one point Craig was asking, you know, talking to the last group, I think it was like four guys, four of mine guys, it was, yeah, it was a Peter Peter head and then Troy and I'm not, I don't remember the other two guys, but he was asking, how old is everybody and Troy, you know, Troy's only 23 something, how old is everyone, how old are you, and he looks at the, one of the last four guys, I've got 50 years old, it was like this, it was a pride, it was just like you, you are a tough son of a bitch right over there. 34:12.389 --> 34:13.350 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, he was like, he was like, 34:13.330 --> 34:18.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes there's old guys put a whip it on the young guys, just because they're, and they look like they're barely working. 34:18.965 --> 34:20.429 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're so efficient. 34:20.449 --> 34:24.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, they're just like, masters of modulate and the hammer fall where it needs to. 34:25.002 --> 34:28.892 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the crate that there's many crazy parts. 34:28.872 --> 34:33.222 [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of like, you know, the thought of it being a competition is madness. 34:33.302 --> 34:37.732 [SPEAKER_02]: But then towards the end, Craig was like, well, what should we do now? 34:38.273 --> 34:39.396 [SPEAKER_02]: What should we rip off? 34:39.897 --> 34:41.861 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take two more minutes off a clock. 34:43.064 --> 34:44.788 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do something crazy. 34:44.768 --> 34:47.632 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing about that last 30 minutes there. 34:47.712 --> 34:51.958 [SPEAKER_00]: We're Craig is just trying to think up like the worst things he can do these guys. 34:52.518 --> 34:57.205 [SPEAKER_02]: And these dudes are both kind of like, oh God, Craig, haven't we done enough? 34:57.425 --> 35:01.951 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these guys, I mean, Troy had been, we've probably probably made built 12. 35:02.512 --> 35:04.454 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say 12 shoes that hold day. 35:04.855 --> 35:05.896 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of the end of the night. 35:05.976 --> 35:07.018 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been going through it. 35:07.619 --> 35:10.703 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, how can we torture these guys some more? 35:10.723 --> 35:14.708 [SPEAKER_02]: And you just look at this poor kid just be like, how much longer can he handle this? 35:14.688 --> 35:25.997 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh dude, and not even counten he made all those shoes and then he probably struck for like multiple other dudes and every other round of the day and made help them make their shoes with a sledgehammer. 35:26.821 --> 35:29.306 [SPEAKER_00]: And he probably barely ate throughout the day. 35:29.326 --> 35:29.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 35:30.408 --> 35:37.421 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it's a very common thing you see guys just working their hands in their elbows because they're all starting to tie up at the end of the day. 35:37.441 --> 35:46.258 [SPEAKER_00]: But man, that last little match play class were in like, they always play M&M on the speakers, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35:46.278 --> 35:47.159 [SPEAKER_00]: And lose yourself. 35:47.260 --> 35:50.145 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you feel like you're at this Oslo Circus. 35:50.125 --> 35:58.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because the hardcore fans are now, the hardcore fans, everybody in the audience is probably everyone, you know, were Ferryers. 35:58.161 --> 35:58.823 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 35:58.843 --> 36:01.609 [SPEAKER_02]: It's around 9 o'clock in the night. 36:01.669 --> 36:02.310 [SPEAKER_02]: It stinks. 36:02.611 --> 36:03.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do. 36:04.615 --> 36:06.318 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like beer and beer. 36:06.899 --> 36:07.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my. 36:07.220 --> 36:33.071 [SPEAKER_02]: I got, and there's sweat everywhere, it got bless them all, but it was just like, these are the hardcore people, and then you're all on, now everybody, we're gonna go over to, there's one side, we're only gonna use four, four, just now, every one side, and it was like, it was total mayhem, but at the same time, it's just like, you start to realize the difference with all these, with these guys in like, the fortune fire. 36:33.432 --> 36:37.176 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was talking to Morocco and I've talking, I was thinking, I was just saying, 36:37.156 --> 36:39.158 [SPEAKER_02]: You're swaraged by his bullshit two hours. 36:39.198 --> 36:40.560 [SPEAKER_02]: You got you in the... Oh, dude. 36:40.580 --> 36:41.722 [SPEAKER_02]: I see you, this is some bullshit. 36:41.742 --> 36:43.764 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't, this is some like, I mean give me a break. 36:44.004 --> 36:53.716 [SPEAKER_00]: When I went on that thing, I went there and I did the fortune fire deal and the very first day they got done and they were like, yeah, how was that? 36:53.796 --> 36:55.098 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an easy day. 36:55.178 --> 36:56.760 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for you. 36:57.000 --> 36:59.783 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I felt like we could have done way more today. 36:59.843 --> 37:02.126 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that was pretty laid back. 37:02.226 --> 37:04.429 [SPEAKER_00]: We were only working on one thing. 37:04.409 --> 37:22.266 [SPEAKER_02]: like we had all this time did you because that was the other thing is is like during the competitions especially when it was coming down to like 10 minutes per it's not like no one was nobody was frazzled kind of coming into the end when he saw all right time is of the counting from 10 down and 37:22.246 --> 37:30.443 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, almost frazzled, you know, if you had a lecture time, people were going to the vice and they were kind of a hot, hot, hot rasping and something like that. 37:30.463 --> 37:34.772 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, everyone came into the, you know, just just under the wire. 37:35.133 --> 37:35.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 37:35.714 --> 37:40.845 [SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine if you were on, when you were on forge fire, you're, you're finished, you're just like, now do I do? 37:40.825 --> 37:49.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, all the time in the world come here to freak it out nobody in that nobody the WBCs Everybody's tool. 37:49.838 --> 37:51.440 [SPEAKER_02]: They're so they're so few tools. 37:51.500 --> 37:53.163 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have your different types of hammers. 37:53.183 --> 37:55.846 [SPEAKER_02]: You get your tongs You have a wire brush. 37:55.866 --> 37:58.230 [SPEAKER_02]: You have your your punch to punch the holes. 37:58.270 --> 38:05.500 [SPEAKER_02]: You have your fuller to make the fuller And then you give it your ritual, but that's about that's and then you get your big ass bottle of flux 38:05.480 --> 38:06.424 [SPEAKER_02]: That's about it. 38:06.986 --> 38:10.379 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know everything you need is right there. 38:10.419 --> 38:13.431 [SPEAKER_02]: No one's ever just like, where am I so-and-so go? 38:13.529 --> 38:16.713 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, do they're all put together nice and tidy packages? 38:16.753 --> 38:21.439 [SPEAKER_00]: You have your backups for those ones that are all tuned perfectly for that too. 38:22.220 --> 38:32.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, there is, and there's no time to be frazzled, and especially like when you're in chewing classes, like you're still working on a horse, like in the horse is going to, if you're freaked out, he's freaked out. 38:32.313 --> 38:36.178 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you say in class, what do you, what is, what are you referring to as a class? 38:37.019 --> 39:03.415 [SPEAKER_02]: when you like that's those are the class was like when they're in those like have been sets a class yeah so group would be a class so like a group of guys is would be a class uh... well no like you're in like your go that's your class okay yeah yeah i loved it i love watching it i loved it at one point there was one guy who's it he's awesome he's a bigger dude i remember bed turn music that guy shirts about to 39:03.749 --> 39:04.750 [SPEAKER_02]: about to get wet. 39:05.872 --> 39:07.515 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, stop the bottom. 39:07.775 --> 39:10.359 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are like sweat through their jeans. 39:10.739 --> 39:16.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's, that's where I kind of learned, you know, it's like, you got through like high school sports, even like wrestling, hard. 39:16.788 --> 39:21.095 [SPEAKER_00]: But like you can still get by as like a high school or just barely drinking water or anything. 39:21.736 --> 39:28.606 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I started like competing, you know, or shooting events and you're like, dude, I need to learn how to hydrate and eat right and like start working out. 39:28.766 --> 39:30.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause if not, I'm not gonna be able to keep up. 39:30.889 --> 39:32.592 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just not gonna go very good. 39:32.791 --> 39:47.310 [SPEAKER_02]: there was one dude who I was like marbling at because he has cigarettes and stuff and stuff and everybody had a big fight in the back pocket and stuff and he's smoking cigarettes and I turned a bit of like that dude's double barreling life right now. 39:47.551 --> 39:51.936 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a little bit leaned up like a little bit like a cleaner cut these days. 39:52.417 --> 40:00.688 [SPEAKER_00]: It used to be total carny and there used to be multiple dudes with cigarettes hanging out of their mouth during a go with a beer on the TV tray. 40:00.668 --> 40:04.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like it was it was real like cowboy. 40:04.076 --> 40:20.652 [SPEAKER_00]: It was real cowboy and like Craig Craig's like you guys We got to start cleaning this up a little bit for the sponsors like no more beers on the tray He's while we're having a go There's a little more gatorade these days He told us to crazy story 40:20.632 --> 40:22.214 [SPEAKER_02]: He told this is crazy story. 40:22.235 --> 40:24.017 [SPEAKER_02]: He had the microphone in his hand. 40:24.037 --> 40:26.161 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was the track Craig He was great. 40:26.181 --> 40:27.022 [SPEAKER_02]: He was awesome. 40:27.142 --> 40:27.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's the best. 40:28.244 --> 40:28.805 [SPEAKER_02]: He was great. 40:28.925 --> 40:42.927 [SPEAKER_02]: He was great because he was you know There's some people who didn't know it was going on and he would talk about things and yep Sometimes he would just kind of like say stuff and and at one point you got the microphone in his hand down But and he's telling I was telling him like you know, I think I was telling him 40:42.907 --> 40:48.795 [SPEAKER_02]: He was talking about, I don't know, I was saying because there's a lot of people interested the fact that I came from New York. 40:49.135 --> 40:59.509 [SPEAKER_02]: People were kind of stunned that I came all the way from New York and I was really, really cool talking until like Jim Poor was shocked that I came from New York and he was super, everyone was super cool. 40:59.530 --> 41:03.435 [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to Craig and I was talking to something that happened to my kids in Japan. 41:03.455 --> 41:04.576 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I came up to Japan. 41:04.596 --> 41:08.762 [SPEAKER_02]: He was talking about his trip to Japan because I'm not really good on the plane. 41:08.742 --> 41:10.785 [SPEAKER_02]: woman on the flight. 41:12.026 --> 41:16.973 [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to a woman that was a really nervous as a long flight for 14 hours from where he was. 41:17.534 --> 41:19.576 [SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, this woman says, here I have this pill. 41:20.137 --> 41:23.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Just take this pill and it will allow you to kind of chill out. 41:24.183 --> 41:27.106 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not telling you the way he's going to give me the pill. 41:27.126 --> 41:29.029 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll chill you out for the flight. 41:29.009 --> 41:33.773 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like, okay, he takes his brand of film from his brand of stranger. 41:34.274 --> 41:36.015 [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I was woken up. 41:36.276 --> 41:37.316 [SPEAKER_02]: The plane was empty. 41:37.897 --> 41:40.019 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were shaking me awake. 41:40.880 --> 41:42.161 [SPEAKER_02]: They were trying to clean the plane. 41:42.761 --> 41:43.642 [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting off the channel. 41:43.782 --> 41:45.384 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were shaking me off. 41:45.404 --> 41:47.025 [SPEAKER_02]: I had drooled out my face. 41:47.446 --> 41:48.807 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were trying to wake me up. 41:48.887 --> 41:49.768 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a great story. 41:49.788 --> 41:51.749 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, this guy flies into Japan. 41:51.769 --> 41:54.352 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of them to get some, you know, some mystery drug. 41:54.372 --> 41:59.016 [SPEAKER_02]: And next thing you know, he's like calmed out. 41:58.996 --> 42:19.907 [SPEAKER_00]: he was awesome they are it is like the competition or show world is the the most like carnies are the closest things i think almost to being a competitive orgiver because it's like you're told you end up being a clinician a lot yeah like and so you're like you get fluttering all over the place like Craig going and you you're just like you're so cool with the worse 42:20.309 --> 42:28.022 [SPEAKER_00]: like accommodations and it's like hanging out they're like, or that Craig is just like, yeah, I'll take these random pills from you. 42:28.202 --> 42:30.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no big deal. 42:30.606 --> 42:32.590 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just like, oh, it's gonna help me great. 42:33.391 --> 42:34.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was putting a coma. 42:35.014 --> 42:36.276 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's unbelievable. 42:36.577 --> 42:46.126 [SPEAKER_00]: They are also like, I, I listen to your episode of the bed and something I thought is funny that you picked up on that you were like, there wasn't very many out of boys around that trailer. 42:46.647 --> 42:47.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they were not. 42:47.968 --> 42:53.674 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, and that's probably the hardest thing of being like hanging out with that group and then going to like a blacksmith group. 42:54.394 --> 43:03.343 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, you're going to make some dudes cry in a blacksmithing group if you talk to them like me, me and Troy talking to each other during a practice. 43:03.880 --> 43:07.025 [SPEAKER_00]: people are going to think we are worth the worst enemies in the world. 43:08.408 --> 43:13.316 [SPEAKER_00]: The worst in reality we're just being very honest with each other because we want each other to be to be the best they can be. 43:15.580 --> 43:19.948 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the most polite thing I heard someone say is, 43:21.363 --> 43:29.772 [SPEAKER_02]: something like that, which is not actually like that sucks, but it was just like you know I mean like that's a crazy part. 43:29.792 --> 43:31.434 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you have two brackets. 43:31.474 --> 43:35.959 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the guys who kind of go ahead and win and then the loser's bracket. 43:35.979 --> 43:43.708 [SPEAKER_02]: It says in big letters and you're in the losers bracket for you could be the loser's bracket for half the day before you get back in the winners 43:43.688 --> 43:51.058 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, there's no, I mean, I remember Ben saying that everyone is super cool with each other. 43:51.379 --> 43:53.822 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, you know, it's, it is. 43:54.043 --> 43:59.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is friends and everybody's like, it's very shut up. 43:59.270 --> 44:06.821 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like there, we have a lot of military guys that come end up coming in like they find, you know, peace in that group because it is like, they say it's kind of the same. 44:06.841 --> 44:09.304 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we're going to be brutal. 44:09.324 --> 44:13.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Leon is with each other during this and then we're going to go to dinner and we're not 44:13.507 --> 44:23.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're fine like that's I it's not who you are it isn't to find you as a person because you punch nail holes all fucked up It's like but we can't act like it didn't happen like 44:24.020 --> 44:25.943 [SPEAKER_00]: And like that's just an individual event. 44:25.963 --> 44:31.492 [SPEAKER_00]: Like man, if you want to see some real brutal honesty is like when we have these deals where it's a foreman team. 44:32.153 --> 44:37.782 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you're on a team with four guys, each guy shoots one foot of the horse and it's like a three day event. 44:38.243 --> 44:41.087 [SPEAKER_00]: And team practices are pretty rough. 44:41.188 --> 44:42.289 [SPEAKER_00]: Some teams don't make it. 44:42.670 --> 44:45.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just you can tell by the time they get to the competition. 44:46.767 --> 44:54.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't all go to dinner together, they're not hanging out with each other during the day anymore because it's like you gotta be pretty brutally honest with each other 44:54.749 --> 44:58.554 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you kind of, you must have to have a very swallowing. 44:58.574 --> 45:01.217 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I would imagine it's just to be a fairer. 45:01.257 --> 45:03.841 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to have a, you know, there's a lot of pressure on you. 45:04.001 --> 45:12.432 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not always about the, if you're in the career, it's not, you're not worried about, you know, the speed of to a certain degree. 45:13.173 --> 45:18.900 [SPEAKER_02]: You're worried about like making sure you do right by the horse, because if you fucked a horse up, you're out of work. 45:19.268 --> 45:32.329 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I didn't even top of that is like, there's just politics in and it's like, you gotta worry about Linda thinking that she's special still because if fucking her vet tells her that she needs a new horseshoe, you could be doing the best job in the world. 45:32.389 --> 45:34.633 [SPEAKER_00]: You could be the best dude in the world. 45:34.914 --> 45:39.822 [SPEAKER_00]: And Linda all of a sudden is like, well, I don't say hi to me the right way the other day. 45:40.443 --> 45:41.985 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna, like, 45:41.965 --> 45:42.606 [SPEAKER_00]: fire you. 45:43.147 --> 45:44.610 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, what's this happened to? 45:44.670 --> 46:01.965 [SPEAKER_00]: It happens all the time and it's just like or you know the vet is playing like this guy went to dinner with the vet a bunch of times There's playing kiss ass and symptom Christmas cards and so well that's who's gonna do all the horses from the vet's clinic now not this guy because he's actually the really handy one 46:01.945 --> 46:18.638 [SPEAKER_00]: like it's it's a pretty interesting world it is it is very hard like you you have to have pretty thick skin that would imagine I would that makes a lot of sense because a lot of businesses are like that I mean well you're trying to like you try to I mean it's expensive 46:18.618 --> 46:28.761 [SPEAKER_00]: career, you know, like these people are paying a pretty high price for you to come do this job and so it's like man They they want the best what they think's the best. 46:29.141 --> 46:38.382 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, it makes a lot of sense because they're used to be this thing My wife years ago there was this pharmacy 46:38.362 --> 46:41.287 [SPEAKER_02]: that they would send a lot of their patients to. 46:41.348 --> 46:46.397 [SPEAKER_02]: And the pharmacists would beauties enormous elaborate Christmas baskets. 46:46.658 --> 46:52.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this dude I remember this dude I was before my daughter was born this guy would show up to deliver these Christmas baskets. 46:52.849 --> 46:56.556 [SPEAKER_02]: He spent months putting him together in terms of like going to the 46:56.536 --> 46:59.839 [SPEAKER_02]: getting having a theme and they were elaborate. 46:59.859 --> 47:12.472 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like bottles of vodka bottles of this bottles of candy and all this shit And it was like I was thinking about I said it really like this got to be like a $400 basket She goes yeah, well, you know how much money we push his way and wants to make sure it keeps him happening. 47:12.492 --> 47:13.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 47:13.113 --> 47:18.619 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's the same price at all It's the same thing man Yeah, and everybody's always going over it. 47:18.879 --> 47:22.463 [SPEAKER_00]: You know trying to go over the buff and it's like or running each other down a little bit. 47:22.583 --> 47:23.944 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 47:23.924 --> 47:41.899 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cutthroat world, because like I said, it is, it can be a good living, and but like, man, if you can get a whole barn of horses, you know, and it's like, well, if you pick up a new 20, 20 horse barn, a new horse in their skins, shot for $200 a horse, that's a pretty good little come up. 47:42.200 --> 47:43.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh, God. 47:44.382 --> 47:50.429 [SPEAKER_02]: I can only imagine that like the bigger outfits have turned it into like her perfect example. 47:50.769 --> 47:59.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this isn't a perfect example, but like we just had this funny enough, I'm coming up on my 25th anniversary of marriage, my wife, and we decided to redo our driveway. 48:00.279 --> 48:10.350 [SPEAKER_02]: And only because my previous neighbor was such an asshole, and I wanted to get the driveway done, but there was this weird property issue. 48:10.330 --> 48:15.776 [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of waited him out and he passed away and then they I got the new the new neighbor He's finished. 48:15.796 --> 48:16.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he died. 48:16.617 --> 48:33.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I could get a good drive way now Well, I mean I was saying that to somebody was just like the last guy he wanted this He wanted that it was like a such a headache fuck that we'll fuck the driveway So only waited two 20 years So we're referring to this is that's the the 25th anniversary stone is asphalt right for a 48:33.837 --> 48:57.735 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was talking to our asphalt guy who's fence hat our dry was guy is great and what he does is they'll do all the All the demos of all that and then they'll they'll get different, you know jobs and then when the way they'll line them up Is they'll do all the demo and get everything they do the demo and then they put down the stuff to prepare for the for the asphalt and on asphalt day 48:57.715 --> 49:14.948 [SPEAKER_02]: They figure out how many yards of asphalt they need and how many driveways they can do in that day and then they'll go down on the asphalt Market or there's a place that sells the asphalt and they'll figure out how many trucks do and they'll do all the driveways 49:14.928 --> 49:15.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, one day. 49:15.710 --> 49:19.698 [SPEAKER_02]: So they'll do like four, four driveways, but it's not like they're doing the one driveway a day. 49:19.918 --> 49:21.141 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to do it one shot. 49:21.421 --> 49:21.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 49:21.542 --> 49:22.303 [SPEAKER_02]: They can do everybody. 49:22.864 --> 49:31.021 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was interesting because I thought there's so many businesses like that where you're, you're trying to focus on getting as much as much done on that one day as possible. 49:31.061 --> 49:33.426 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that foresharing would be very similar. 49:33.727 --> 49:39.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it is not always I don't run my business that way right now. 49:39.793 --> 50:00.493 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like my business right now is also pretty like I'm probably going to be considered a part-time horseshoe or because it's like I don't have that many horses on my books because I have so much shop work that I like to do, but it's like my horses are scheduled That horse I when I do him he's scheduled to be done again in six weeks, you know, but you try to get like 50:01.857 --> 50:02.498 [SPEAKER_00]: a barn. 50:02.998 --> 50:06.802 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're you're not move because it's like right the worst season fourth. 50:07.063 --> 50:10.266 [SPEAKER_00]: The worst is when you got a bunch of onesy twosies all over the place. 50:10.326 --> 50:19.497 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's still you still end up doing it and if you're going to be a full-time horseshoe, you're going to have those days where you're just going from barn to barn and doing one horse and then drive in 20 minutes and doing the next horse. 50:20.297 --> 50:29.788 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, the best deals are is like if you can just get in on one really nice barn and go there once a week, that's really nice. 50:29.768 --> 50:34.656 [SPEAKER_00]: So what you got to do with a bunch of bullshit, so if you, they feel like they own you a little. 50:34.997 --> 50:45.775 [SPEAKER_02]: When you have one barn, would you try to schedule all the shoeing and all the horses for that one visit or are you like everybody's on that six week time schedule? 50:45.795 --> 50:47.618 [SPEAKER_02]: And it might be everybody might be a little different. 50:48.239 --> 50:51.765 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of break them up because you can only do so many a day with your body. 50:52.346 --> 50:52.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 50:52.766 --> 50:53.367 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 50:53.407 --> 50:54.409 [SPEAKER_00]: So if like if you do, 50:55.385 --> 51:00.638 [SPEAKER_00]: For me it's like my biggest stop right now is I could do seven and one one day and that's a loss. 51:00.939 --> 51:03.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lot. 51:03.185 --> 51:07.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty I'm pretty stiff at any of that day and then you're making 28 shoes from scratch. 51:08.412 --> 51:10.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes you reset them. 51:10.394 --> 51:11.956 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not putting new ones on each time. 51:12.296 --> 51:15.260 [SPEAKER_00]: So like that's one of the benefits of making the handmade shoes. 51:15.660 --> 51:17.802 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like the shoes that are pre-made. 51:18.163 --> 51:21.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are pre-made for guys that are generally not forging. 51:21.807 --> 51:30.196 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the metal content they use for those shoes is softer because then it's easier on the machines making the shoes and the dies last longer. 51:30.236 --> 51:32.919 [SPEAKER_00]: And guys can shape them cold easier. 51:33.039 --> 51:33.660 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 51:33.792 --> 51:48.089 [SPEAKER_00]: The metal we're using for hand making shoes is good mild steel and we forge it hot and we quench in them off pretty hot so they're a harder steel and so it's like ours are last and longer so like I'll I'll get. 51:50.152 --> 51:55.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'll probably have to make two pairs of shoes or three pairs of shoes for a horse for the year wow. 51:56.557 --> 51:59.585 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can reset them pretty dang quick. 51:59.605 --> 52:11.697 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like going through those days where it's like you're doing seven, most of them are going to be resets where I'm just popping the shoe off, heating it back up, burning it back on the horse, nailing it back on, going on the day. 52:11.862 --> 52:28.988 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're you noticing a lot of wear, I mean, at what point is it like a tire where you put the thing in the seat, you kind of like measure the peripheral like edge the toe edge will wear away quick so like some and in some horses just wear their toes and their shoes different than other horses. 52:29.489 --> 52:36.199 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's some that just yeah, they wear wear them away and once it gets into the toe a little bit, we're like the peripheral edge isn't a full. 52:36.179 --> 52:51.066 [SPEAKER_00]: flow like it's worn into it you'll you'll move along the biggest thing that happens is the nail holes get worn out and so like the nail holes are huge in the shoe and so it's sloppy and so now it's gonna share some nails off 52:51.434 --> 52:53.959 [SPEAKER_02]: So, what would you do in that situation? 52:53.979 --> 52:55.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that new or new shoe time? 52:55.783 --> 53:01.736 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes you'll take a center punch and you'll hit it on the backs, it depends on what you got to do that day. 53:01.756 --> 53:02.958 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to get home, dude. 53:02.978 --> 53:03.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 53:03.780 --> 53:06.185 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, did I got a birthday party for the kid? 53:06.205 --> 53:06.907 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to get to. 53:06.967 --> 53:11.316 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to center punch the back of these nails and fill them up. 53:11.296 --> 53:26.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, that was somebody asked, I think it was one of the listeners asked actually, when do you know, how much, when do you, where do you put the, where does the nail go out? 53:26.838 --> 53:43.007 [SPEAKER_02]: So we punch them from what I understand when you guys are fullering the holes there's almost it's it's fullering it and then when you're popping the holes there's shoot that the the the holes are kind of making the nails go outwards, right? 53:42.987 --> 53:44.330 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not necessarily. 53:44.470 --> 53:49.139 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, uh, so you have your hoof, you got like hoof wall. 53:49.319 --> 53:52.245 [SPEAKER_00]: That's generally like 3-8s of an inch thick cheese. 53:52.466 --> 53:54.429 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have your white line. 53:54.790 --> 53:56.012 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're nailing into. 53:56.053 --> 53:59.359 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of like a carrot, a hard carrot and 53:59.339 --> 54:11.234 [SPEAKER_00]: Connector almost so you know at the this connect like it's this is very vast so people Gonna like come at me if they want like obviously I can know my anatomy I'm just trying to keep it simple, but it's like hoff wall. 54:11.274 --> 54:24.250 [SPEAKER_00]: You got your white line and then you got your soul So it's like and the soul's got blood in it and everything so it's like you're trying to put the nails in that white line And then it's gonna exit out of the hoof wall about one-third of the way up on the outside 54:24.230 --> 54:25.712 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I'm third of the way up. 54:25.872 --> 54:30.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes it's kind of nice to get a little higher, but as a general, one third of the way up. 54:31.157 --> 54:34.941 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we use three quarters of an inch material. 54:35.382 --> 54:42.990 [SPEAKER_00]: With twice on generally, because like, okay, you got three eighths of an inch, hoof wall, if you doubled that, you get three quarters. 54:43.250 --> 54:52.600 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I just put my nails in the middle of this bar stock, then my nails will be in the white line. 54:52.681 --> 55:00.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And because like, okay, if I put my nails in the middle of this three-quarter inch bar stock and I fit this bar stock to the outside edge of this hoof, then my nails will be safe. 55:01.615 --> 55:04.019 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be able to nail into that white line. 55:04.099 --> 55:05.061 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where my nail would come out. 55:05.521 --> 55:11.671 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you punch your nails into this steel, you punch them at the same angle as the hoof wall. 55:12.212 --> 55:13.474 [SPEAKER_00]: We call that pitch. 55:14.382 --> 55:26.485 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the nails that we use, these little rectangle tapered nails, the tip of that nail is beveled to go to the start curling out. 55:27.528 --> 55:36.427 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the things that we noted that we were looking at the nails, and there was almost each nail on the head, had like almost like a direction. 55:36.728 --> 55:37.670 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 55:37.690 --> 55:44.524 [SPEAKER_00]: So the head of the nail will have a label on it, and the label always goes to the inside or point to the frog or the center of the foot. 55:44.808 --> 55:49.775 [SPEAKER_00]: because that's letting you know that the tip, that's the direction of the tip to go out of the foot. 55:50.176 --> 55:56.946 [SPEAKER_00]: So as you're nailing and different nails, like some nails are harder, some are softer, so they exit different than others. 55:57.607 --> 56:14.511 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you kind of just get your nail brand that you know that you're like, okay, I'm gonna put this nail at the same angle as the hoof wall and start nailing it in and trust that tip being beveled out is gonna start biting 56:15.740 --> 56:23.370 [SPEAKER_00]: it's crazy it's just sometimes you don't get it you need to drive me to blood in the horses not having a good day in the client's piss 56:23.688 --> 56:40.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially on some of these horses these days like horses are pretty crazy right now like Man yellowstone and stuff did us a lot of good in the horse really oh my gosh dude like honestly more Taylor shared and made horses cool and cowboys cool again right now. 56:41.009 --> 56:47.097 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why like it is kind of weird how much he affected my I never even watched yellowstone 56:47.077 --> 56:49.961 [SPEAKER_00]: But that guy has affected my life so much. 56:50.341 --> 56:56.869 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that he's made the Western horse and the cowboy horse very cool again and worth a lot of money again. 56:56.929 --> 57:03.117 [SPEAKER_00]: And that on turn two of like, everybody wants to wear a cowboy hat and cowboy hats are made out of beavers. 57:03.557 --> 57:06.441 [SPEAKER_00]: So now all of a sudden like, trapping beavers is worth the money again. 57:06.501 --> 57:07.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, 57:08.272 --> 57:09.874 [SPEAKER_00]: and horses are worth money against. 57:09.894 --> 57:14.000 [SPEAKER_00]: So some of these horses like a Western horse is not very uncommon for them to be worth $2 million. 57:14.140 --> 57:19.688 [SPEAKER_00]: And like a jump in horse, some of these horses like did not that weird for them to be worth $10 million. 57:19.888 --> 57:21.771 [SPEAKER_02]: Get the fuck outta here. 57:21.991 --> 57:26.117 [SPEAKER_00]: So driving one into the blood, man is not gonna be a good time. 57:26.858 --> 57:27.339 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my God. 57:28.921 --> 57:33.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't believe this TV show has made people get fired up about getting horses. 57:33.828 --> 57:35.190 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do you think about like, 57:35.828 --> 57:40.334 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Sun's Anarchy made motorcycle so freakin' cool all of a sudden. 57:41.255 --> 57:42.917 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, yellowstone is made. 57:43.037 --> 57:44.379 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody wants to be a cowboy. 57:46.341 --> 57:47.403 [SPEAKER_00]: That is great. 57:47.423 --> 57:49.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Great ranching is cool right now. 57:49.585 --> 57:53.150 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have, you have customers say off, I watch you watch it there. 57:53.350 --> 57:54.612 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see you watch you too. 57:55.192 --> 58:04.384 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of weird too, because I'm kind of in split worlds, because the horses that you want to shoot and make money on is English and jump in horses. 58:05.275 --> 58:07.399 [SPEAKER_00]: rich old ladies that think they want to do that. 58:08.420 --> 58:14.951 [SPEAKER_00]: The horses that I want to make bits and spurs for our rain and horses and cotton horses, western horses. 58:15.412 --> 58:23.906 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like I'm kind of in these two different worlds, but it's like, man, they all love Yellowstone and they all want to watch this western lifestyle and go to the GANF R and stuff. 58:24.046 --> 58:24.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of, 58:25.762 --> 58:26.323 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of cool. 58:26.924 --> 58:36.398 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've never watched these shows, but at the same time, I was talking to a better, Brent brought it up and he says the only show he likes, he thinks his close his landmen. 58:36.518 --> 58:37.299 [SPEAKER_02]: He says landmen. 58:37.319 --> 58:37.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one's good. 58:38.781 --> 58:39.623 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 58:39.643 --> 58:50.098 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, there are, it's cool because like, it is pretty close to how that whole world is out in there of like, the whole oil and gas industry even stuff and like, dude, there's a lot of money floating around in those things. 58:51.142 --> 59:03.521 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like amazed that people are inspired by a TV show to not just inspired by a TV show, but they're willing to spend millions of dollars to the TV show fired them up about something. 59:04.262 --> 59:12.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Fireed up about something and you know people like to invest into things and it's like, right now this is something people can invest into and sometimes there's turn bats on it. 59:12.915 --> 59:15.900 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, and it's just a lifestyle and it's a community. 59:17.230 --> 59:21.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's back to you back to your your the bits that you're making for these horses. 59:21.394 --> 59:36.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was so cool because I know you had someone 3D print that what I'd like a job a tongue dude is kind of is like We can't have a saloma or anything because this is big silicone horse tongue. 59:36.190 --> 59:42.336 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 14 inches long bro Exactly, you know where that's not going to be sold. 59:42.356 --> 59:47.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you're going to be on only fans or something 59:46.981 --> 59:48.182 [SPEAKER_02]: 40 seconds street. 59:48.223 --> 59:49.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me the horse tongue, baby. 59:49.484 --> 59:51.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 59:51.366 --> 59:52.648 [SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious. 59:53.129 --> 01:00:00.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my buddy, that he's involved with that old Texas barrier deal, and he's a world champion barrier. 01:00:00.518 --> 01:00:03.181 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the smartest guys that have ever been around. 01:00:03.261 --> 01:00:10.390 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of mentioned to him, I was like, dude, I could use a tongue for my horse's jaw, so I can kind of see where how the bit lays in their mouth. 01:00:10.538 --> 01:00:14.303 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, yeah, sure, Riley, for your work, for your dick. 01:00:14.663 --> 01:00:38.014 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for your dick, for 01:00:37.994 --> 01:00:48.139 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, like, so horse bits are, it's goes in their mouth and they can steal as preferred or how do they, how do they figure that out? 01:00:48.372 --> 01:00:51.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it's pretty it's like not the new right. 01:00:51.295 --> 01:01:16.437 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the basics are all there just like horseshoes I think it was kind of like I look at like I think guys made to do this, you know, like I would I'm just been Making my living around steel in the horse so makes sense to put some in their mouth like of uh, and yeah people like metal It's generally used 41 40 and Like at all those bits and I'm making right now are kind of forged out of one piece and it's not that they're like fully matters. 01:01:16.477 --> 01:01:18.379 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of like the 01:01:18.359 --> 01:01:48.180 [SPEAKER_00]: stock removal versus forging knife argument but people like the story of it and they like kind of the whole entire deal you know so is the horses is a jot I don't have no idea is it so so the so the bit goes behind their teeth like because there's no teeth where the bit goes yeah no teeth there's no teeth right there so there's like they have molars they're insiders and then a front they have 01:01:48.160 --> 01:02:01.613 [SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of have some K90 and then there's like a space that's like an inch and a half long there's no there's no teeth talking bottom and so they're they're just kind of like it's a hitting there like their jar their gums. 01:02:01.863 --> 01:02:09.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of sitting on their, they pack the bit a little bit and so like they they're holding that thing in the corners of their mouth. 01:02:10.735 --> 01:02:12.898 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like hanging in their mouth. 01:02:13.259 --> 01:02:13.659 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:19.387 [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're kind of like they'll press the bit with their tongue up against the top of their mouth against the palate. 01:02:19.628 --> 01:02:21.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And so now they're packing it. 01:02:21.370 --> 01:02:23.974 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where a lot of like the balance comes. 01:02:24.014 --> 01:02:27.119 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll hear like guy say like, oh, that has good balance. 01:02:27.139 --> 01:02:32.508 [SPEAKER_00]: That means that bit will naturally hang at that angle with as the horse's head. 01:02:32.929 --> 01:02:38.798 [SPEAKER_00]: Like so wherever you naturally want the horse's head to hang, that's the same angle that bit is just going to hang. 01:02:38.939 --> 01:02:40.361 [SPEAKER_00]: You just had it sitting on something. 01:02:40.381 --> 01:02:41.883 [SPEAKER_00]: So like you'll see the pictures of my bits. 01:02:42.304 --> 01:02:44.087 [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of suspended. 01:02:44.067 --> 01:02:46.149 [SPEAKER_00]: and that bids hanging at that good angle. 01:02:46.189 --> 01:02:49.213 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that bit will return to that angle. 01:02:49.273 --> 01:02:55.260 [SPEAKER_00]: So when the rider wants to tell the horse like, hey, we need to slow down, he's going to pull on that bit a little bit. 01:02:55.741 --> 01:02:57.863 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a big bend in the mouth. 01:02:58.444 --> 01:03:05.212 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that horse is going to feel that bit kind of come off of their tongue and touch the top of their mouth a little bit. 01:03:05.292 --> 01:03:08.035 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, he's telling me a queue and this queue means this. 01:03:08.556 --> 01:03:13.922 [SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as that rider, let's go with a 01:03:14.037 --> 01:03:25.612 [SPEAKER_02]: I was wondering, so it's two sides and there's the reins going either side and then it breaks in and then it kind of goes up like a little tongue. 01:03:26.032 --> 01:03:26.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:03:26.252 --> 01:03:36.265 [SPEAKER_02]: So that part, that part kind of, it pivots on and then that front kind of that I don't know you can refer to it as almost like that little. 01:03:36.245 --> 01:03:48.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Bend and go it bends and breaks forward and then it kind of returns back Yep, so it's it pivots and then that kind of a protruding part kind of hits the top of their mouth and that's how they know Yeah, and I really hits their mouth. 01:03:48.765 --> 01:03:49.826 [SPEAKER_00]: They're more or less comes off. 01:03:49.927 --> 01:03:59.081 [SPEAKER_00]: They more or less comes off their tongue They feel a little they feel a little gap off their tongue and like and obviously people are like, oh, that's pretty harsh It's like it could be yeah. 01:03:59.261 --> 01:04:03.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just went to rip it on a could poke them in the top of the mouth and be kind of hard 01:04:04.072 --> 01:04:06.035 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's just not how they're working. 01:04:06.095 --> 01:04:07.037 [SPEAKER_02]: I just never noticed. 01:04:07.117 --> 01:04:16.092 [SPEAKER_02]: I just never knew that that they're these, you know, the pivoting of the bit is some subtle communication between the rider and the horse. 01:04:16.212 --> 01:04:22.363 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very subtle, you know, that they feel that little gap come off of them and they're like, oh, that means something, you know? 01:04:22.783 --> 01:04:23.324 [SPEAKER_00]: It means this. 01:04:24.125 --> 01:04:25.067 [SPEAKER_00]: How many of you made? 01:04:25.773 --> 01:04:27.215 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, decent amount of them now. 01:04:27.555 --> 01:04:30.439 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, kind of been to make him like one or two a week right now. 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:31.180 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really? 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:33.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and everybody wants something a little different, you know? 01:04:34.064 --> 01:04:38.049 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like, I've usually wasn't taking orders for things before this. 01:04:38.429 --> 01:04:41.233 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I've kind of had to be an order guy. 01:04:41.353 --> 01:04:46.039 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a list of guys that want bits and what they want and stuff and just kind of get to them. 01:04:46.059 --> 01:04:46.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you enjoy it? 01:04:47.161 --> 01:04:48.282 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do really like it. 01:04:48.382 --> 01:04:49.463 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause each one's a little different. 01:04:49.824 --> 01:04:51.426 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of a fully full, 01:04:52.553 --> 01:05:10.039 [SPEAKER_00]: like when I was making hammers stuff like that it's just a lot of forging a lot of this and they kind of get it's repetitive and it's not something I enjoy a lot like where this is like still I get to do like I get to do some forging some machining some fabrication and some finish work and like some of the finish work you get to be 01:05:10.255 --> 01:05:31.065 [SPEAKER_00]: way more elaborate when you're making like I like making knives but then you're like okay well i'd like to make this way cooler well that's a huge step going from just normal forged handmade knife to like rick dunk really yeah that's crazy and that's there's not very many of those clients in the knife world there's not many guys that need a rick dunk really style knife 01:05:31.180 --> 01:05:41.055 [SPEAKER_00]: but in the horse world, there is quite a few guys and the market is already there and already established for that style of, in that market of thing. 01:05:42.301 --> 01:06:11.683 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of people who make custom bits, good amount, yeah, good amount, but really yeah, but there's not a lot of them do forging them like I'm origin of So that kind of helps me out and they're again like man yellowstone helped out again that it was like There is a guy named Billy Clapper and Billy Clapper's one of the most famous bit in sperm acres in the world It's especially for the Western world and I got to know Billy from through the WCB things heat coming watch them and he used really thought they was cool 01:06:11.663 --> 01:06:23.605 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and I got to meet him at well shot there in Emmerillo, so he'd come and hang out every there every year and then Billy went on Yellowstone and got like even more famous and then he died. 01:06:25.107 --> 01:06:32.541 [SPEAKER_00]: And so now Billy's style of bits are worth a good amount of money in a high demand and I don't make 01:06:33.668 --> 01:06:35.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Billy's bits are way better than mine. 01:06:35.292 --> 01:06:42.009 [SPEAKER_00]: The big difference, but it's like, mine kind of leaning towards Billy's style of bits, because that's the guy who I got a lot of information from at a time. 01:06:42.731 --> 01:06:46.741 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I mean, you haven't been making bits for a long time, right? 01:06:46.761 --> 01:06:50.290 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like, I've been, I made my first one probably like six years ago. 01:06:50.630 --> 01:06:51.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 01:06:51.421 --> 01:06:53.789 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, just been making them like here and there. 01:06:54.110 --> 01:07:00.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and really not very much, but then, I don't know, something I just got tired of making the other things. 01:07:00.270 --> 01:07:02.657 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, well, I'm just gonna go for it. 01:07:03.299 --> 01:07:05.025 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna put all my chips into this. 01:07:05.309 --> 01:07:10.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a lot of training, once you give a bit to the horse and the rider? 01:07:10.555 --> 01:07:16.162 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a lot of training that the horse needs to, and with the rider on how the bit works? 01:07:16.543 --> 01:07:17.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, dude. 01:07:17.544 --> 01:07:24.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Like those horses, I was very, like thankfully I had horse tuna stuff that I didn't have to disel bit to everybody. 01:07:24.032 --> 01:07:33.223 [SPEAKER_00]: I was very picky who I sold my bits to at the beginning, and I was taken information from because the horses that get those things in their mouth, man, they are very high-trained. 01:07:33.203 --> 01:07:41.174 [SPEAKER_00]: That's very, so the bits that I'm making are kind of final bits, like that's a very finished horse that's going to get that bit. 01:07:42.115 --> 01:07:48.264 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can imagine like there probably wouldn't be a lot of variation if you're training a horse a specific way. 01:07:48.324 --> 01:08:01.422 [SPEAKER_00]: They probably need to have very similar bits throughout their life. 01:08:01.402 --> 01:08:23.646 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy that I, that just like I mean him made some bits together, it's like I think Casey's a six million dollar earner, you know, that's he's won that much in lifetime earnings right in horse, you know, showing horses and he has a very particular way he and what he wants in a bit and like he can kind of tell that down to the 16th of an inch or like five ounces, you know. 01:08:23.626 --> 01:08:36.782 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, a horse that comes to him might have been in a different bit, but he's going to kind of make that horse fit his hands and style a little bit or get it accustomed to him and so that horse will have to go through a little process till relearn. 01:08:37.323 --> 01:08:40.367 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's not a lot of universal universal quality. 01:08:40.467 --> 01:08:43.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would think that just be based on the size of the horse. 01:08:44.352 --> 01:08:46.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Their jaws are going to be all different to a certain degree. 01:08:46.955 --> 01:08:47.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Not too much, man. 01:08:47.856 --> 01:08:49.578 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like some of those are pretty the same. 01:08:49.638 --> 01:08:52.722 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they all have a five and a quarter inch wide mouth. 01:08:52.702 --> 01:09:05.580 [SPEAKER_00]: Most ports you know that big bent part that goes in their mouth those most of those are two inches the back two inches That's pretty general a lot of it comes down with like how much swoop there is to it and where's the weight balanced out on that thing 01:09:06.387 --> 01:09:13.401 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a totally new, I never even, I mean, I don't know anything about horse really, but I'm fascinated by it. 01:09:13.882 --> 01:09:18.591 [SPEAKER_02]: How many do you think of how, when, when do bits wear away? 01:09:18.851 --> 01:09:19.873 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. 01:09:20.194 --> 01:09:26.927 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's the cool thing about them is then that's kind of the thing is like, man, I'm spending all this time making horseshoes and they get thrown in the scrap pile. 01:09:27.802 --> 01:09:39.482 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, or they get worn out is like if I make this bed, I almost ended up the same time and the thing gets road for 20, 30 years, 40 years, you know, until somebody just gets tired of it and throw it like it's not even going to wear out or break. 01:09:39.867 --> 01:10:02.567 [SPEAKER_00]: right and it's it's so it's and it do you treat them those these the 41 41 was I keep them try to keep them soft they're pretty much a kneeled all the way through yeah they're 41 40 just mostly because it's like I'm sure I'll get some metal or just coming at me about this I don't think so trust me you can get 41 40 to a thinner profile and it be stronger 01:10:04.133 --> 01:10:05.494 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you something, Riley. 01:10:05.935 --> 01:10:10.620 [SPEAKER_02]: When my guests come on the podcast, they never go after the guests, they come after me. 01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:12.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is how it goes. 01:10:12.542 --> 01:10:14.644 [SPEAKER_00]: It's totally not, it's totally not, it's totally not. 01:10:14.684 --> 01:10:18.188 [SPEAKER_02]: We know, it's just, trust me, trust me, I'm used to it. 01:10:18.508 --> 01:10:21.992 [SPEAKER_02]: They all come to me, they don't come to the, it's just a guest, don't get that. 01:10:22.132 --> 01:10:26.537 [SPEAKER_00]: So they would know, I keep them soft because I got a file on them the whole entire time and everything. 01:10:26.577 --> 01:10:27.458 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like... 01:10:27.438 --> 01:10:28.840 [SPEAKER_00]: They're soft all the way through. 01:10:28.860 --> 01:10:35.551 [SPEAKER_00]: I use my even heat to color them back up and everything at the very end so they're soft all the way through. 01:10:35.992 --> 01:10:47.050 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just like they wear better being 4140, little higher wear and they I can get it to a thinner profile and it's not going to bend when some guys might have to yank on it or if they get an erect somewhere. 01:10:47.030 --> 01:10:50.594 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and the rings the rings on the end of punching those rings. 01:10:50.614 --> 01:10:52.437 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not welding them up. 01:10:52.457 --> 01:10:52.657 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:10:52.677 --> 01:10:53.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:10:53.598 --> 01:10:54.139 [SPEAKER_00]: They're punching. 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.642 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, it's kind of, I mean, it's tough to pretty thin. 01:10:56.662 --> 01:11:02.629 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a little quarter entering, you know, quarter inch round, that makes it's one inch ring, essentially. 01:11:02.649 --> 01:11:04.712 [SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing. 01:11:05.373 --> 01:11:08.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, you're getting into the engraving world. 01:11:09.305 --> 01:11:13.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, those go pretty hand in hand with the whole bit and spur thing is people want them fancy. 01:11:14.032 --> 01:11:16.936 [SPEAKER_00]: They want, they want nice things on there. 01:11:16.977 --> 01:11:20.882 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, and they want them personalized, you know, so it's been fun, man. 01:11:20.902 --> 01:11:30.717 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to do that stuff for a long time, but it's just like hard to justify it on a knife or hammer and axe or something where it's like, man, people are asking for it on the bits and spurs. 01:11:30.737 --> 01:11:33.321 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's open up the door for me to be able to learn it. 01:11:33.605 --> 01:11:42.354 [SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine that compared to forging in general, but it's a much more relaxing part of this kind of adornment. 01:11:43.355 --> 01:11:44.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, come. 01:11:44.556 --> 01:11:45.236 [SPEAKER_00]: Completely. 01:11:45.256 --> 01:11:48.219 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like I'm almost like a retired man, fucking off. 01:11:50.121 --> 01:11:50.682 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 01:11:50.722 --> 01:11:54.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, I'm supposed to be dirty and sweaty and pain. 01:11:54.806 --> 01:11:59.190 [SPEAKER_02]: This is, I'm just wearing a magnifying glass and I'm kind of pushing this thing around. 01:11:59.238 --> 01:12:02.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm talking like Troy or Gavin, they're like, what are you doing this weekend? 01:12:02.744 --> 01:12:17.010 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, I might weed whack or like engrave for a little bit, do this and they're like, yeah, fuck I'm gonna drive six hours to Troy's make to 20 shoes, drive home, get ready to shoe horses and X-Mortem was like, yeah, that's rough to that. 01:12:16.990 --> 01:12:18.272 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard. 01:12:19.354 --> 01:12:20.496 [SPEAKER_02]: That engraving game. 01:12:20.536 --> 01:12:24.222 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know that Ben's dad is an incredible engraver. 01:12:24.462 --> 01:12:27.687 [SPEAKER_02]: And I got to see this bell buckle that he made his son. 01:12:27.827 --> 01:12:29.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Ben's dad is unbelievable. 01:12:30.091 --> 01:12:31.934 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he's not a young guy. 01:12:31.994 --> 01:12:36.642 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would imagine that it's something that you could probably really enjoy for the rest of your life. 01:12:36.682 --> 01:12:38.104 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not physically as demanding. 01:12:38.084 --> 01:12:48.036 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to think of like that stuff a little bit of like, okay, I need to set myself up for tint because you think of like, okay, how long does it take to get popular in a genre. 01:12:48.677 --> 01:12:50.339 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it takes a while. 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:53.824 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't just all of a sudden say like, well, when I retire, I'll start doing that. 01:12:53.844 --> 01:12:58.810 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you kind of already need to start to be lining up for that when we retire people are begging for the work. 01:12:58.975 --> 01:13:02.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't want to be learning when you're, you know, old age. 01:13:02.959 --> 01:13:05.261 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I was like, man, for fished by now. 01:13:05.601 --> 01:13:16.852 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been around forever, where it's like, if you can engrave something and draw scrolls and do stuff like that, like, that's always going to be wanted on things, and you'll always be able to find work to do it as long as you're doing okay at it. 01:13:17.252 --> 01:13:20.416 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an engraver I knew is he was Evan down in Florida. 01:13:20.436 --> 01:13:22.898 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot his hand though, but he would do engraving. 01:13:22.938 --> 01:13:24.019 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be beautiful engraving. 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.181 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd engrave the inside of a watch. 01:13:26.313 --> 01:13:27.054 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:13:27.135 --> 01:13:31.443 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, it's like, it's, it's just seems so much fun. 01:13:31.864 --> 01:13:32.305 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, you know. 01:13:32.345 --> 01:13:34.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it adds so much to each piece. 01:13:35.351 --> 01:13:42.945 [SPEAKER_02]: You see these guys who are engraving coins, it's turning him into these crazy, micro puzzles and stuff like that. 01:13:43.266 --> 01:13:47.494 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it, it's like, it is crazy too of like how, 01:13:47.474 --> 01:14:00.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes in like a day of my shop, I'll be forging and doing stuff so big and nasty, you know, it's like my power hammer is like almost 400 pounds, so it's a huge kettle so much at one time, and then I'll go to the engraving. 01:14:00.609 --> 01:14:02.571 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like you're taking scratches. 01:14:04.253 --> 01:14:06.416 [SPEAKER_00]: The things and you're like, God, it looks like a mountain. 01:14:06.456 --> 01:14:10.140 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just so vast, it's just a different world. 01:14:10.255 --> 01:14:33.107 [SPEAKER_00]: it's hilarious because I'm sure you probably think yourself you're kind of fooled around you know it's just like oh I feel like I'm in the music video painting dude yeah like the only the only like saving grace here is this like I know now I've learned enough new things now and like being a competitive horse yours taught me how to practice and how to be self-gratiquing very well of like 01:14:33.543 --> 01:14:46.371 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I'll get out of this, but right now I suck like a man like my hands do not even closely do what my mind is envisioning like so far away. 01:14:46.621 --> 01:14:51.687 [SPEAKER_02]: But that must also mean, I mean, thinking about I was gonna, you brought up a point that I was gonna bring up. 01:14:52.287 --> 01:15:04.461 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because you're involved with forging horseshoes in a competitive way, how is that informed how you forged hammers and knives? 01:15:04.522 --> 01:15:10.969 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel as though that the forging of horseshoes has influenced how you worked? 01:15:10.989 --> 01:15:11.850 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh yeah. 01:15:12.190 --> 01:15:13.692 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's especially like, 01:15:14.633 --> 01:15:23.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I know how to fall, come up with a procedure and follow it and critique it and be not be afraid to ditch it and fix it, you know, and be like, well, that's how I was taught. 01:15:23.706 --> 01:15:25.389 [SPEAKER_00]: Be like, nope, that's not how this works. 01:15:25.429 --> 01:15:28.293 [SPEAKER_00]: You, I'm going to do what's best and try to set up my next step. 01:15:28.654 --> 01:15:38.228 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, always kind of set myself up for success throughout it and try to do it fast and efficiently, so I'm not wasting time or ruining material, but also. 01:15:38.917 --> 01:15:48.165 [SPEAKER_00]: When you start competing, you get really good at copying specimens and stuff or just getting that vision of what's in your head out there and knowing how much material that's going to take. 01:15:48.786 --> 01:15:57.574 [SPEAKER_00]: So especially like making nicer axes or something like that, I can just look at a picture of something that I'm kind of wanting, adjust that in my head and usually get there. 01:15:58.995 --> 01:16:08.063 [SPEAKER_00]: Just be just from doing competitions, we get a little pamphlet in the mail that shows you a picture of the shoe and you have to fit that shoe perfectly. 01:16:09.832 --> 01:16:34.168 [SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy, it's crazy, like I said, you guys are the best forging technicians in the game, and I was talking about, I was thinking about it, especially when I was talking to Marreca, I was thinking, you know, I was ready for knife makers and blades, I was ready for them to get sad, but then I had to, and then I realized, I was walking the dogs and realized, well, it's almost unfair because 01:16:34.148 --> 01:16:56.140 [SPEAKER_02]: the education of fairiers is thousands of years old and there's like there's education that recreational knife makers never got you know you have like a system of you have a system who's interesting it was is you know like Peter head from Australia you got guys from New Zealand you got guys from Canada you got guys from all of the United States 01:16:56.120 --> 01:16:58.164 [SPEAKER_02]: you all speak the same language. 01:16:58.184 --> 01:17:05.519 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no like, well, the Quebec shoe is different from the, you know, South Dakota shoe. 01:17:05.799 --> 01:17:06.781 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like that at all. 01:17:06.841 --> 01:17:07.883 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a standard. 01:17:07.923 --> 01:17:09.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything was incredibly standard. 01:17:09.487 --> 01:17:15.799 [SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't like a translation between Peter had and Troy. 01:17:16.471 --> 01:17:20.997 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's kind of nice because then like opinions are out, you know what I mean? 01:17:21.037 --> 01:17:21.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't matter. 01:17:21.918 --> 01:17:26.525 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you don't, you don't ever get to just be like, well, I don't get, I don't do it that way. 01:17:26.585 --> 01:17:27.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that's not the point of this. 01:17:28.027 --> 01:17:31.792 [SPEAKER_00]: The point of this is you have to do it, you know what I mean? 01:17:32.072 --> 01:17:34.656 [SPEAKER_00]: Being able to do whatever someone asks of you. 01:17:35.697 --> 01:17:37.280 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the benefit, you know what I mean? 01:17:37.420 --> 01:17:46.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's where like the whole composition thing would barely ever work with the knife making, because you'd get guys in there and be like, well, I don't make nice that way. 01:17:46.492 --> 01:17:51.859 [SPEAKER_00]: And half the time they're just making an excuse, they just forge some pointy thing, and that's how it fell off the angle. 01:17:52.900 --> 01:17:55.763 [SPEAKER_00]: And like you just don't get to do that, the horseshoe and deal. 01:17:56.284 --> 01:18:10.862 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think about a knife talking, and I came to conclusion, I said the only way you could make a forge and fire or forging knives more interesting is it's how many, how if you have a model, 01:18:10.842 --> 01:18:12.784 [SPEAKER_02]: And then how many heats to get there? 01:18:13.104 --> 01:18:14.485 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we do have a few or heats. 01:18:14.946 --> 01:18:15.846 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only way. 01:18:15.886 --> 01:18:18.549 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be the more interesting way to do it. 01:18:19.009 --> 01:18:21.111 [SPEAKER_02]: And then stop it with the Damascus. 01:18:21.131 --> 01:18:22.673 [SPEAKER_02]: No one gives a shit. 01:18:22.773 --> 01:18:22.933 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:18:22.953 --> 01:18:24.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, seriously. 01:18:24.314 --> 01:18:24.754 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with it. 01:18:24.814 --> 01:18:25.355 [SPEAKER_02]: Seriously. 01:18:25.415 --> 01:18:26.716 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. 01:18:26.736 --> 01:18:30.019 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, one was interesting as I saw watch Gavin do a video. 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:35.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And I got to see one of the horseshoes that was made by a forge welded rasp. 01:18:35.324 --> 01:18:35.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:18:35.564 --> 01:18:37.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Watch the video that Gavin did. 01:18:37.486 --> 01:18:39.027 [SPEAKER_02]: What's his Instagram? 01:18:39.007 --> 01:19:01.302 [SPEAKER_02]: P-L-B-U-P-N-W-F-R-P-N-W-F-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E 01:19:01.282 --> 01:19:05.268 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to stop with the Damascus. 01:19:05.469 --> 01:19:07.031 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to stop with the Damascus. 01:19:07.192 --> 01:19:12.420 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be such a much more interesting competition if it was how many heats can you get to the end. 01:19:13.341 --> 01:19:16.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's actually put people in the pressure test. 01:19:16.607 --> 01:19:19.932 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the forging. 01:19:19.912 --> 01:19:45.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't make Damascus, and though part of it's because I'm still 52, been doing this for 25 years, something like that, I don't want to be a better blacksmith, I don't care about the Damascus, you know, the part that's interesting to me, I want to be able to move the metal right, I know that it's a lifelong pursuit, and I'm not afraid of it, and I'm not like, it's not an excuse, I just really want to be better at forging steel. 01:19:46.405 --> 01:19:47.246 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get it. 01:19:47.286 --> 01:19:47.908 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty. 01:19:48.248 --> 01:19:48.609 [SPEAKER_00]: I get it. 01:19:48.849 --> 01:19:49.470 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get that. 01:19:49.510 --> 01:19:51.594 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a story before it. 01:19:51.954 --> 01:19:53.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and that's a part of it. 01:19:53.517 --> 01:19:56.622 [SPEAKER_00]: And since telling a story about that guy at the time, consuming. 01:19:57.003 --> 01:20:01.971 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but it's like also it's like, I also really like using knives. 01:20:02.332 --> 01:20:03.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, 01:20:04.343 --> 01:20:08.327 [SPEAKER_00]: I've taken out, I'm like, my world of a knife. 01:20:08.587 --> 01:20:14.013 [SPEAKER_00]: We have kitchen knives and stuff like that, but it's like a knife for me that's gonna live in a my hunting pack. 01:20:14.173 --> 01:20:17.296 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, man, I demased a knife not gonna farewell. 01:20:17.316 --> 01:20:18.618 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've tested it. 01:20:18.998 --> 01:20:20.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they don't do great. 01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:25.965 [SPEAKER_00]: When you are gonna put them away bloody in muddy, and they're gonna be in that pack. 01:20:26.005 --> 01:20:32.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, for the next couple of days while you hike out, it's like, that's a start for me to go with sometimes. 01:20:32.896 --> 01:20:36.962 [SPEAKER_02]: The New England School of Metalwork has a really, really good competition. 01:20:37.022 --> 01:20:50.601 [SPEAKER_02]: I was invited for one year, a couple of years they invited me to, they have an event and they have this thing called Battle of the Bladesmiths, and they got three dudes and they got two hours to make a knife, and these are always like really, really good dudes. 01:20:50.733 --> 01:20:51.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:20:51.113 --> 01:20:52.075 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's super cool. 01:20:52.215 --> 01:21:02.788 [SPEAKER_02]: It's super cool because it's like, I mean, to me, it would be far more interesting if you were to make, how would you make a life-making contest is interesting as the fairer contest. 01:21:02.908 --> 01:21:05.592 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be in heats. 01:21:05.812 --> 01:21:09.857 [SPEAKER_02]: How many, how how far can you go in the the fewest amount of heats? 01:21:10.017 --> 01:21:10.157 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:21:10.618 --> 01:21:11.900 [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be far more interesting. 01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:12.280 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 01:21:12.741 --> 01:21:13.722 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a shorter two? 01:21:14.042 --> 01:21:14.943 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:21:14.963 --> 01:21:17.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people would actually have to find ways around to get 01:21:18.172 --> 01:21:22.943 [SPEAKER_02]: Bro, there is nothing, and I'm a I believe I'm a blacksmith. 01:21:23.163 --> 01:21:37.615 [SPEAKER_02]: I have there's nothing more boring than a demo Yeah, I'm with it I want to there is a there's a woodworking event in my town and they have a traditional you know I'm putting quotes up traditional blacksmith and you need to 01:21:37.595 --> 01:21:38.537 [SPEAKER_02]: This bro, bro. 01:21:38.577 --> 01:21:39.620 [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching this demo. 01:21:39.740 --> 01:21:41.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to I had to walk at three. 01:21:41.684 --> 01:21:42.486 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, bro. 01:21:42.526 --> 01:21:43.148 [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be here. 01:21:43.168 --> 01:21:44.050 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be here all day. 01:21:44.451 --> 01:21:44.832 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:21:44.972 --> 01:21:49.081 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to figure out ways in which to make these far more interesting. 01:21:49.162 --> 01:21:54.574 [SPEAKER_02]: And we cannot wait, cannot wait and people just even people are interested. 01:21:54.554 --> 01:22:12.208 [SPEAKER_02]: waiting watching a guy forge do a demo for three hours get the fuck yeah that's got to happen quick and this it's got to be looking on you need you there needs that's why when we did when I was forging with john and cliff and Jesse and we were at the uh we were at the 01:22:12.188 --> 01:22:14.652 [SPEAKER_02]: It was called the maker maker fair. 01:22:14.692 --> 01:22:15.953 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a huge event. 01:22:16.094 --> 01:22:33.779 [SPEAKER_02]: I said to the guys is like dude If you're gonna do a demo, it should better be quick and if and Cliff just started putting giant blocks to steal in the forge and then just Smooshing him one heat Smooshing him under the press and that's what people like that One heat one lots of bang for your buck lots of bang for your buck. 01:22:33.799 --> 01:22:34.620 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what people want. 01:22:35.061 --> 01:22:36.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly 01:22:36.185 --> 01:22:45.357 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, it's like, he makes you think, like, 10 minute barrier event, you're not asking, that's a, that's exciting. 01:22:45.717 --> 01:22:47.520 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why are more people interested in that? 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.305 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's the perfect, these dudes are moving so quick. 01:22:51.665 --> 01:22:53.768 [SPEAKER_02]: Six heats, we got punching. 01:22:53.808 --> 01:22:54.809 [SPEAKER_02]: You got fullering. 01:22:54.829 --> 01:22:55.610 [SPEAKER_02]: You got bending. 01:22:55.630 --> 01:22:56.351 [SPEAKER_02]: You got forge welders. 01:22:56.371 --> 01:22:57.893 [SPEAKER_00]: And you get to see who wins, right? 01:22:57.933 --> 01:22:59.215 [SPEAKER_00]: We're right then, right? 01:22:59.916 --> 01:23:03.981 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, I don't know why, I don't want people to just don't understand what's happening, I guess. 01:23:04.450 --> 01:23:13.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's half of it, as always, just to stop very well advertised or anything, even within the four gene worlds, it's pretty not known about. 01:23:14.862 --> 01:23:21.994 [SPEAKER_02]: It's such a wasted, like, I feel like society's wasted like this really fun thing. 01:23:22.014 --> 01:23:24.138 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, man. 01:23:24.158 --> 01:23:28.706 [SPEAKER_02]: A 10 minute competition, where it's from zero to everything. 01:23:28.726 --> 01:23:32.191 [SPEAKER_02]: I like the part where Craig says, sorry, well, Craig goes to everybody's okay. 01:23:32.712 --> 01:23:35.557 [SPEAKER_02]: This next round, you're not allowed to bring your measuring tape. 01:23:36.158 --> 01:23:38.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's how it was for a long time. 01:23:38.282 --> 01:23:39.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Can't even measure the hoof. 01:23:40.343 --> 01:23:42.165 [SPEAKER_00]: For a long time, it was nothing. 01:23:42.205 --> 01:23:47.311 [SPEAKER_00]: You just got a 10 second look and you couldn't touch it and you couldn't measure it, nothing. 01:23:47.392 --> 01:23:52.378 [SPEAKER_02]: You just have to do- How would you even, how is this sort of like pie calculation? 01:23:52.538 --> 01:23:56.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's some sort of magical, fairer calculation times pie. 01:23:56.903 --> 01:23:57.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:23:57.924 --> 01:23:58.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there is. 01:23:59.006 --> 01:23:59.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is. 01:23:59.947 --> 01:24:02.209 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, pie times kind of. 01:24:02.350 --> 01:24:05.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Length time with time, one and a half. 01:24:05.133 --> 01:24:08.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness, so this is the row in that. 01:24:08.058 --> 01:24:08.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was. 01:24:08.739 --> 01:24:12.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's length plus width plus one and a half not times. 01:24:12.965 --> 01:24:29.571 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like if you have a five and you measure the toe five, you know, five to the heel that's five inches and if these five inches wide, you know, you've got 10 so that you're going to need about 11 and a half inches of 383 quarter to cover that foot. 01:24:29.635 --> 01:24:33.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it, are you adding the inch and a half for this for this size of the material? 01:24:34.060 --> 01:24:34.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 01:24:34.764 --> 01:24:35.226 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:24:35.387 --> 01:24:36.473 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, uh, 01:24:37.769 --> 01:24:41.053 [SPEAKER_00]: It's generally double whatever the material size is. 01:24:41.073 --> 01:24:43.056 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to make it a stretch. 01:24:43.136 --> 01:24:47.421 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're making the frame of the window, you've got to also add on the material of the frame. 01:24:47.842 --> 01:24:51.486 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you get stretch on the shoes too a lot of the time. 01:24:51.907 --> 01:24:56.192 [SPEAKER_02]: I figured there was some pie in there, there's some diameters, some radius system. 01:24:56.212 --> 01:24:57.114 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a lot of that. 01:24:57.174 --> 01:24:58.455 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like, with plus one and a half. 01:24:58.595 --> 01:25:01.739 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's only one and a half, because it's three-quarter material, right? 01:25:01.759 --> 01:25:02.320 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:25:02.360 --> 01:25:06.966 [SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes you're like, well, it's a fry that's really round. 01:25:06.946 --> 01:25:32.211 [SPEAKER_00]: grow on the material more so I need a little bit less material compared to it's a hind with a little more straight spots you know so I'm going to need a little bit more material like it is like it's just yeah it's a lot of eyeballing stuff it really is of like even a guy like Troy that's really good you're like what are you going to do there and he's like I'm just going to start hitting it till it looks right 01:25:32.883 --> 01:25:35.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look at you so that's unbelievable. 01:25:35.908 --> 01:25:56.443 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it was as it was as basic as length plus with plus two times the material yep, yeah, it's pretty that's that's that's way easy so then you so then when they're when they'll get a measuring tape they're just like maybe they've they've probably seen enough hopes that then you've practiced that thing enough like 01:25:56.423 --> 01:26:18.420 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's no big deal to have like, you know, a guy makes 70 or 50 of that shoe before that competition, and so, and you like, especially like match play, you know, a guy like Troy, he's going to like, well, that's the match play I'm going to cut a 10 inch piece of 10, a 12 inch piece and a 13 inch piece and a 14 inch piece, and I'll make them all and then now I know what each of those sizes look like when they're done. 01:26:21.586 --> 01:26:22.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Insane. 01:26:22.445 --> 01:26:34.336 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you got kind of this catalog running in your head of sizes, you know, and what's going to be right, and you're just kind of always relying on the last time you made it and you're like, last time I made this, it kind of took this to get around that. 01:26:36.381 --> 01:26:37.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Riley, are you going to compete again? 01:26:38.358 --> 01:26:46.270 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the the hope to do, you know, it's just, uh, just need to get into a place where I've got, I need to make the time to do it. 01:26:46.410 --> 01:26:51.799 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to make any excuses, right now it's not a huge priority in my life, but it will be again. 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:58.369 [SPEAKER_00]: I want my kid to see it, see it, you know, see what is the WCB is what made me be who I am today. 01:26:58.790 --> 01:27:04.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Like those guys, I've been competed, competed in WCB for almost 10 years. 01:27:04.278 --> 01:27:06.901 [SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know, that's my community. 01:27:07.001 --> 01:27:10.706 [SPEAKER_00]: That is my, my base home and total entire trades of world. 01:27:11.147 --> 01:27:13.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are my people and they may be who I am. 01:27:13.710 --> 01:27:16.293 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want my daughter to go and see that whole entire deal. 01:27:17.395 --> 01:27:18.256 [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome. 01:27:18.896 --> 01:27:20.198 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really, really cool. 01:27:20.919 --> 01:27:22.020 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really happy for you. 01:27:22.221 --> 01:27:23.462 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for the whole thing. 01:27:23.803 --> 01:27:31.973 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you got to see it because it's a hard thing to explain to people and tell they get to fully be engulfed in it a little bit and get the whole vibe. 01:27:32.172 --> 01:27:45.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I enjoyed like last year Ben kind of put me into, I mean, he was, we were talking while he was practicing and I felt like I was, I got a view into it and watching all the videos and I watched a pile of videos and I listened to the Forging Brain's podcast a lot. 01:27:46.218 --> 01:27:51.447 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really, I really enjoyed seeing it from a different point of view, like that. 01:27:51.427 --> 01:28:10.347 [SPEAKER_02]: a forging but like we speak similar languages but i feel like i just there's a lot of little subtleties that i really really enjoy i really picked up and i really enjoyed and i would definitely i would for sure like to you know see that stuff more again i don't need to be involved but i would i like really really enjoyed being a spectator 01:28:10.732 --> 01:28:11.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I do is good. 01:28:12.074 --> 01:28:14.097 [SPEAKER_00]: You should got to come out for the winter clinic one year. 01:28:14.137 --> 01:28:14.457 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 01:28:14.657 --> 01:28:16.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Well shot would be cool to have you there. 01:28:17.041 --> 01:28:18.943 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a it's not a full competition. 01:28:19.063 --> 01:28:22.949 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like more of a hangout and a practice deal and a bunch of demos, but it's really fun. 01:28:23.209 --> 01:28:25.592 [SPEAKER_00]: So you go you go to emerald a lot. 01:28:25.612 --> 01:28:26.714 [SPEAKER_00]: I go to that well shot. 01:28:26.774 --> 01:28:32.181 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing demos at the winter clinic for like the past six years and so I'll go to that one every year. 01:28:32.221 --> 01:28:33.583 [SPEAKER_02]: You've been for a while then. 01:28:33.833 --> 01:28:34.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:28:34.514 --> 01:28:35.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:28:35.816 --> 01:28:36.917 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, going to those deals. 01:28:37.198 --> 01:28:37.979 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I got to meet him. 01:28:38.339 --> 01:28:39.040 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a good dude. 01:28:39.341 --> 01:28:39.822 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh great. 01:28:40.102 --> 01:28:40.643 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great guy. 01:28:40.663 --> 01:28:43.247 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I got to say this one last thing. 01:28:44.108 --> 01:28:47.633 [SPEAKER_02]: Ben is Ben is one of the most generous people. 01:28:47.993 --> 01:28:49.676 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the nicest guy. 01:28:50.217 --> 01:28:52.380 [SPEAKER_02]: They rolled the red carpet out for me. 01:28:52.860 --> 01:28:56.866 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like this whole family was extraordinary. 01:28:56.966 --> 01:28:58.408 [SPEAKER_02]: And we had the best time. 01:28:58.508 --> 01:29:03.756 [SPEAKER_02]: And I could never be as great a host as Ben is. 01:29:03.736 --> 01:29:15.670 [SPEAKER_02]: I could be a great guest, but I'll never be as good a host if that is, and his family were just like, these are first class people, and I had such a good time, and it was just really, really great. 01:29:15.937 --> 01:29:16.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man. 01:29:16.498 --> 01:29:17.318 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the best. 01:29:17.579 --> 01:29:21.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Truly a hundred percent and he's funniest shit, too. 01:29:21.723 --> 01:29:25.507 [SPEAKER_02]: And uh, okay, with that said, Riley, you're the man. 01:29:25.567 --> 01:29:26.928 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always great talking to you. 01:29:26.948 --> 01:29:29.891 [SPEAKER_02]: I was, when after I went to this thing, I was driving back. 01:29:29.931 --> 01:29:31.072 [SPEAKER_02]: I was definitely thinking of myself. 01:29:31.092 --> 01:29:34.836 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to have Riley on sooner or later to talk more about this kind of event. 01:29:34.896 --> 01:29:35.817 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really glad you're here. 01:29:35.897 --> 01:29:39.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope to be on forging brains and, you know, dumb it down for you. 01:29:40.521 --> 01:29:41.623 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I look forward to it. 01:29:41.783 --> 01:29:42.784 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll look forward to it. 01:29:42.804 --> 01:29:45.066 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk more about your old 01:29:45.248 --> 01:29:46.009 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it. 01:29:46.029 --> 01:29:46.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Anytime. 01:29:46.570 --> 01:29:47.271 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, guys. 01:29:47.491 --> 01:29:49.894 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to follow Riley Kirkpatrick on Instagram. 01:29:49.975 --> 01:29:54.180 [SPEAKER_02]: All his, his, if you wherever you're listening to this, all the links will be there. 01:29:54.501 --> 01:29:56.464 [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be a link to the WCB. 01:29:56.824 --> 01:29:58.847 [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be a link to forging brains podcast. 01:29:58.887 --> 01:30:04.315 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to learn more about forging, uh, upfairier stuff, uh, Gavin and Riley do a great job. 01:30:04.335 --> 01:30:05.276 [SPEAKER_02]: And their interviews are early. 01:30:05.316 --> 01:30:05.656 [SPEAKER_02]: The best. 01:30:05.716 --> 01:30:07.239 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the best of the best involved. 01:30:07.599 --> 01:30:09.742 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the best fairier podcast in the game. 01:30:10.363 --> 01:30:12.005 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, Riley and glad you're my friend. 01:30:12.406 --> 01:30:12.987 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fortunate. 01:30:13.347 --> 01:30:14.008 [SPEAKER_00]: Likewise, man. 01:30:14.068 --> 01:30:14.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you. 01:30:15.050 --> 01:30:21.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright my guys, I will see it Riley, thank you once again and we will see you next week.