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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, which word do you want to start with the civil one or the nuclear one that's about to happen or World War three?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's about or you know, there's more over the FCC and Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a paramount, uh, one of others, uh, the next star, tenga deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_04]: and you know we had one of those act was in the seventies when president Carter was our president well we also had that under uh... uh... uh... broke well well actually we had a and we were getting out of it but we were out of out of uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... you did he did he got us out of that was created by uh... judges w yeah so yeah going back to the you know Biden Harris days that would be good
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just, I'm really tired.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, we know you guys are tired of war, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I really, really did not plan on having the Confederacy come back to life.
[SPEAKER_09]: Did the South sure did.
[SPEAKER_09]: They were so happy.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's, what's interesting is all of those.
[SPEAKER_04]: Depend to your southern accent.
[SPEAKER_09]: All those that were very upset about Virginia and California.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we'll talk about Virginia soon.
[SPEAKER_09]: about the gerrymandering in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and other places.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you notice the, like John said last night here at the bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're okay as long as it always goes towards the, the racist, the keeping the black and brown, an LGBTQ would women folks down.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're fine with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm,
[SPEAKER_04]: Not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Neither am I. I'm no longer I have given a lot of leeway to the right for a very long time and I'm pretty much done with that now I'm I'm done with that because I'm on sick of this the new confederates have to go by the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: For those of you on the further left, the word neoliberalism doesn't mean anything.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's not what you think it means.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not what you think it means, kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has nothing to do with being you, the people in Brawl of you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has nothing to do with liberal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we haven't noticed that the people who use the word neoliberalism and try to blame everything on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: them and the five friends that are around them, though they're meaning of it, but like people on the other side of the bar think something completely different and I'm like, this is why it doesn't matter, but there is a meaning for Neo Confederate.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's they're just like the old Confederates, they're just as racist and as misogynist as they were except now they're new and they're back and they don't want black people and brown people to vote.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're similar to Neo Nazis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, what's again, Jodie is right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're talking about him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, there's the stupid war over there, but we ended up talking about the other war.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll talk with that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, Carolyn Fiddler, obviously, one of our favorites of this week in statehouse action, who is from Virginia, who knows Virginia law.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's going to be coming in here just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we will get a little bit more into the weeds a little bit about what the hell happened in Virginia today.
[SPEAKER_04]: But starting the
[SPEAKER_04]: So four judges on the Supreme Court of Virginia struck down the redistricting amendment.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the one that we were voting.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the maps that we have in place now are the same ones that we just used in 24.
[SPEAKER_04]: That'll be in place.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looks like for 26, but there may be other ways around it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you can damn sure bet that if there's no way around it for 26.
[SPEAKER_04]: that the Democrats in this state are going to ram it through just like the Republicans are doing in places like Mississippi and Tennessee, Democrats are going to ram it through.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think Louise Lucas is going to be so nice about 10 to 1.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this time she's going to say screw it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go 11 to 0.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I say why not because the Supreme Court just allowed it as long as it's partisan who cares.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you guys want to play that kind of a role.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to play that kind of a game.
[SPEAKER_09]: Fine, we can play that game too.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want California to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want Oregon to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want Washington state to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want Hawaii to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want Illinois to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want New York to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want every blues Michigan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody they can do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we need to be doing it at the state level two for the state houses.
[SPEAKER_04]: We need to do that as as much as as much as Republicans are going to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We need to do it just as hard because this is
[SPEAKER_04]: it's not a true cold civil war.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a warm civil war.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a hot civil war because we're not actually shooting each other in this good, well, kind of.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the Minneapolis Alex pretty, but not as Renee Alex did not fire back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alex actually could have because he was armed.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was armed.
[SPEAKER_09]: He did not even reach for his gun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not a hot war yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: But by any normal definition, this is a civil war, and it's because, well, and I've always thought civil wars are stupid, stupid, label, because no war is civil, no civil war.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hello, I would like to shoot you now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, quite.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's fire each other and blow each other's bits off.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you don't, the war is never civil, but in as much as we know what the term civil war means,
[SPEAKER_04]: The Confederacy is back and they are going to have to be put down the way they should have been put down originally.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I mean Randy was saying it for years, why did we even bother bringing the union back together?
[SPEAKER_04]: Randy's not even here and she's still right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right?
[SPEAKER_09]: I know.
[SPEAKER_09]: I assume she's doing very well.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm still okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh good.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the thing is is like we should have really punished them better than we did.
[SPEAKER_04]: needed to be to the point that they would never again attempt to do the things that they are once again attempting to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because they are attempting to make black and brown people and LGBTQ people and women all second and third class citizens.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry, but that's we're only a mostly legitimate democracy since the 60s since the civil rights act.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I hate having to do this again, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know what I hate more having black and brown people women
[SPEAKER_09]: uh... second-class citizens well i mean just in johns burning a copy of the confederate flag not even actual confederate flag and he still kicked out he just he just printed we actually have that picture about it as if he was burning the united states flag which is also legal thank you very much but dirty's right
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, we've got some great pieces you guys can look through as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sarah Burris, who I know, I like her.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's got a great piece up-to-date alternates, talking about the norms are gone, and they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've gone a lot, we've governed a lot by norms, but norms are at the window.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, we need to make him laws and constitutional amendments at this point.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Democrats, and really the broad left, we're done being nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you know anybody who's a maggot conservative, they're probably afraid and they should be, because when you make us mad at the point where we do things,
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you wouldn't like us when we're angry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can thank God to help y'all.
[SPEAKER_04]: You won't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here you go, come.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not for you anyway.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's like we've win me with me.
[SPEAKER_09]: I've literally talked about said look.
[SPEAKER_09]: It takes a long time for me to get to this point.
[SPEAKER_09]: But once I, I literally see red.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I've done that, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, literally.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I, one day, there was a long story, but a friend of mine came to my bathroom and I was up to here and he knocked on the door.
[SPEAKER_09]: I looked at him and I said, I know it's not your fault.
[SPEAKER_09]: Get out of my face.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, my friend who unfortunately passed a few years back, Kevin, uh, this was back in high school and for some reason he decided he was in a mood that day and and he was making making fun of of my girlfriend and just had had gone too far and I'd asked him to stop, and this was the third time, finally asked him to stop.
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember this kid is about, um, he ended up being somewhere around six seven.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think, but I think he was about six two at that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was easily probably over 200, probably 250.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I held off, and I didn't punch him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I took like a four foot run at him and slammed in him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he flew about six feet backwards.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he landed his ass and he was like, OK. And then my, our other friend Rick stopped me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, we don't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Kevin was like, can't ever do that again.
[SPEAKER_04]: That hurts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, well, when I tell you to stop, stop.
[SPEAKER_04]: When I say stop, you stop, or I will stop you.
[SPEAKER_04]: People go, oh,
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so we told you folks in the south.
[SPEAKER_04]: We told you folks in the Confederates.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there are some good people in the south.
[SPEAKER_09]: Let's see if I mean, Jeff, our friend, our mutual friend.
[SPEAKER_09]: Now, Jeff, he lives in Alabama.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he's from there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And let's get this, let's get this settled, too, because we're going to talk about this more obviously when Caroline comes in.
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's the thing, the racist.
[SPEAKER_04]: in a Tennessee house that rammed this through the racist that are in Alabama, the racist that are in Louisiana, the racist monsters that are down there.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are also a lot of really good people, not all of them are Democrats, some of them are not even registered, some of them are nonpartisan or independent, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of them are still like Michael Steele for whatever reason they do.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's just trying to save it, just, honey, just start the wig party again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: But,
[SPEAKER_04]: there are the bad people we know them by their actions and they are not Americans no confederates you are correct they are from a different country and well they are traders they are their traders and they should be treated as such I agree to the fullest extent of the law and for those of you who understand what i mean when i say that i'm not kidding we don't have this argument because they wanted to have it
[SPEAKER_04]: But for now, this particular round, but it reminds me of, you know, since we were just talking high school reminds me of the idiots who thought, hey, you know, I'll race you in high school.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they think that the race is done as soon as their car got ahead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's literally not how it works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Either we live with rule of law and there are laws and anybody can win the contest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or we don't, in which case, God help you.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, anyway, look, we'll talk, Carolyn Fiddler is going to be coming in.
[SPEAKER_04]: We will talk about the laws we talk about Virginia.
[SPEAKER_04]: And talk about this new American uncivil war.
[SPEAKER_04]: Karen and Anita are going to be in later.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got a great drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Coke is involved.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Coca-Cola.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is a Friday night, here at the politics bar, you know where you love her, the Waternoli, Carolyn Filler, of this weekend's State House action, and other various and sundry places that somebody who has a law degree and has a highly intelligent and knows all the politics, which you know, you happen to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: So how you doing?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, absent news today.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is kind of that Mrs. Lincoln thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: How is the play?
[SPEAKER_04]: Up in that house, the play, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: God, oh my God.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've lived here in this Commonwealth, like you most of your life, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Aside from the four years I was an Arkansas for undergrad, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm Virginia.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_09]: What?
[SPEAKER_09]: We're in Arkansas, where you, my mom is my great grandma.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's from Belleville.
[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_09]: I was in Fayetteville.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, that's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I I don't even know where to start.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so frustrated with the stupid ass Virginia Supreme Court, which is not so supreme and the The they don't know the meaning of the word election even though it's in law
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, can you explain to all of us that the thing we're talking about for those of you who have missed it here in the bar?
[SPEAKER_04]: So Virginia, we did this vote.
[SPEAKER_04]: We decided that we were going to change our maps.
[SPEAKER_04]: We followed California closely to procedure, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But we do it like California, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: and then this morning the Virginia Supreme Court decided to say well the meeting election isn't what it says it is so we're throwing out all those votes and screw you guys my question is so does that mean they're gonna throw out primary votes if they're not the first Tuesday after the Monday November I mean yeah it's actually on that particular day then okay so it's explained to everybody please
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: So not everyone's from Virginia.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure it was to this five day.
[SPEAKER_04]: And everybody around the country and people around the world, you got you.
[SPEAKER_05]: But so in on April 21st, there was a very special special election in the Commonwealth to pass a constitutional amendment that would have allowed new congressional maps to be in effect through the next official round of redistricting after the 2030 census.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then redistribution would revert back to
[SPEAKER_05]: how Virginia does it now, which is with a redistricting commission.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what California did.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it required an amendment to the state constitution to suspend the redistricting commission, again, like California exactly had to do as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But there was a very tight timeline.
[SPEAKER_05]: The law, the legislature in Virginia, which is majority democratic, passed this amendment the first time back in October of last year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because we're doing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: No way.
[SPEAKER_04]: October of last year, we didn't we still have Governor Glenn fleece.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The people young can.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not just referring to the thing you wore.
[SPEAKER_04]: He actually ached fleece the people anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: constitutional amendments don't have have no input from the governor okay stop a constitutional moment that's the people who did and the voters of the common law that's how it should be so it was it was october before the twenty twenty four election right twenty five right because we do that in twenty five here we have elections literally every year it's how we mark the passage of time so um...
[SPEAKER_04]: It was still young in the governor.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was still one of the two.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember which was still Republican control.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't the other one was democratically controlled?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, Democrats had a majority in both chambers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do we have both?
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I couldn't remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did a whole bunch of seats on the left side.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, like three times.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that was before their election and that's the Virginia law, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is the Constitution mandate to amend the Constitution, the legislature has to pass them and meant in two different sessions with an election in between them, specifically a house of delegate election, which means an audio election, like 2025.
[SPEAKER_05]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there was a special session that had been in effect for a long time, and the Democrats with their internal rule of 51, the majority vote changed the preview of the session to accommodate the passage of this amendment.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they did it in October, early voting had begun in Virginia for having the proper election, but election day is election day, and that is the election.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so it was before the election, the election happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: Democrats added a bunch more seats to the state house and we now we have a democratic governor lieutenant governor aging right and so then again during this year
[SPEAKER_05]: legislative session.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in twenty six, the legislature passed the amendment again as required to by the state constitution.
[SPEAKER_04]: The second slice of the amendment bread sandwich thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you got a you got a amendment election, you got the election election, and then you got the amendment election again.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a kind of an amendment sandwich.
[SPEAKER_09]: Which is in the constitution that you have to do.
[SPEAKER_09]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So so we're following all the laws according to the rules I'm thinking if this as far as I understand you understand this better night you have a lot of greed you have done you not like I do I have one from law and order.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got you we got some of the box exactly but so so so what what part of this in my missing where we didn't
[SPEAKER_05]: Republicans can be very creative when it comes to legal things when they when they care to be and they certainly care to be this time because you're so smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you say created instead of using a swear word like that because that's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's some other sea words that I would use.
[SPEAKER_09]: But go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, so the new map that was approved by a majority of voters, by about 3 points, over 1.6 million voters in the Commonwealth came out and voted to pass this amendment that also established these new congressional maps for Virginia.
[SPEAKER_05]: Virginia currently, it's 11 congressional seats, has six Democrats, five Republicans, the new map,
[SPEAKER_05]: which was designed to counter all the Republican gerrymandering that Trump started to self all across the country would have given Democrats an additional for seats in the Commonwealth up through 2030 when the normal British and procedures would kick it again because hopefully the Trump emergency will be over by then is hopefully yeah so what have been and it would have been 10 to one and remember these aren't it's not like they are 100% designated it's just they are more likely to vote that way
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, under partisan voter index, they are significantly more likely to vote Democratic than they would be to vote repellent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, we're talking about details.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why make sure that everybody gets the details?
[SPEAKER_04]: So, when everybody tells their friends, they're like, okay, and their friends is, are you sure?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, those four seats were not guaranteed, but more likely, much like in Texas, not guaranteed, but technically more likely, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're completely correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Republicans unhappy about this they went to I've been calling him their pet judge down in Tazwell Which isn't Southwest Virginia.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was are a point by Republicans.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is friends with lawmakers.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's almost in Kentucky Is he like a man?
[SPEAKER_04]: His family tree kind of looks like telephone pole Chanawees just saying and you go down there some of those people you go to a town and you're like everyone here is named Johnson
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I grew up in a place where every other person was a packet.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, see, you know Virginia, this is why we can say this here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so anyway, so we, we get on the, so they go to this pet judge.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then he says, so, and he said, hey, this was done illegally.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can't do this.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the arguments that Republicans put before him that he decided to agree with was the one at issue in this ruling.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's just focus on the one that.
[SPEAKER_05]: this one court decided to agree with the Virginia Supreme Court's decision today.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the one because you put in this week in statehouse action.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was last week or the week before that you went down like four different things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think this was the one that you talked about the least if I remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was because the definition of election is very straightforward in the state in the state constitution and state law.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just very straightforward.
[SPEAKER_05]: I really didn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought that we were going to pick something really esoteric.
[SPEAKER_05]: If they were going to knock this down.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought they were going to pick something just way more out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: the most, what did you see here was an article, I made a note on here article four section through the Virginia Constitution.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Tuesday succeeding the first Monday in November.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's normal for federal elections.
[SPEAKER_09]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then in the code, I believe it's a section 24.2-101 general election means on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: But that's not a little option.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a day.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's for the general not a special, not a primary, it's just the general election.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I guess I'm still missing where election doesn't mean what election means.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is for for those people on the right who are like, oh, yeah, but Bill Clinton, you know, what's the meaning of is?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The meaning of election, Jack.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what is the meaning of the elections?
[SPEAKER_05]: So four of the seven just it was a very it was an error decision also.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can't just it's not quite right to say that those Virginia Supreme Court, all of them did much like the US Supreme
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have the dirty.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's the dirty foreign in on the Virginia court got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So four of the seven decided that the word election actually includes the early voting period before election day, which.
[SPEAKER_05]: As defined in statute, in Virginia, the early voting period is dependent on election day being election day.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's one thing, otherwise.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a shoelace tied to the shoe.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not talking about the lace independently.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're talking about the shoe.
[SPEAKER_04]: The lace happens to come along for the ride.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so they decided and they went to like, they got really creative.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't, they didn't go to like current reading a statute or even the current constitution to define it.
[SPEAKER_05]: They went back to like, other, you know, it's like the fun constitutions.
[SPEAKER_05]: They went to black's law, dictionary.
[SPEAKER_05]: They really like, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: They went to Marbury versus Madison didn't they?
[SPEAKER_05]: They did.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't lead out it.
[SPEAKER_09]: They lead out it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is a great term for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They lead out it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, you know, pull it out of your ass, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: In booking Marbury versus Madison and in your ruling, it's basically like, I'm going to date myself, like, rolling up like Kurtman on his little tricycle and screaming, respect my authority.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's just so, so I guess in simple terms,
[SPEAKER_04]: How does the, I guess so they extend, they say the election includes the early part of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So how does that break, how does that mean that that it doesn't count?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, because early voting had already started, then it was past the first time.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the court decided that means that there was not an intervening election.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when the amendment, the first time, all of it down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the, the, in the, in the amendment sandwich.
[SPEAKER_04]: the first slice of the amendment passed during the early voting period of the meat of the regular election and they're saying that that regular election extends past that so that that first slice had to be before even the early voting correct even though there are many other laws that are very including the early voting laws themselves yeah that are dependent on election the
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so first things first, A, is there any other, I mean, since it's a state Supreme Court, is there any other form of legal counter-manning, I don't trust going to the current Supreme Court because we all know they're illegitimate.
[SPEAKER_09]: But they did hold up California's.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so assume that that, you know, they turn that the good folks turn to the Supreme Court and say, does this, is that an option, even?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or is it one of those with the Supreme Court says, and to your state, it's your problem?
[SPEAKER_09]: But the, okay, so people that are suing Louisiana right now, because they had already started voting with the new maps, now their votes are literally being thrown out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's 40,000, 45,000 Louisiana, something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So if an election is already happening, how can they do that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is good for the gander, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, other other than the fact that and this is something that we got into a little bit before you came into the bar, Carolyn, is that
[SPEAKER_04]: I have said this is not somewhere where Republicans want to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the whole difference between Trump and the Trumpism and all his minions and monsters and the Chinese because my family has a long history with the Chinese.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a small town just south east of Lincoln called Cheney Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's spelled for, yeah, it's the same.
[SPEAKER_09]: Same family.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but they backed common among mother reasons because of the fact that they realize that if you do not have a rule of law, then it's everyone for themselves, then it's anarchy in the person with the biggest gun in the quickest draw wins.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that oftentimes ain't the guy in the wheelchair who shot his friend in the face, just saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, they're well aware that, you know, laws are important to everybody, whereas Trump and his ilk think, we can do what we want, and we don't have to follow laws.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can make them for us, and then they're different for you, which is not actually how that works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then you know, with Anarchy, and in the country that has the second largest amount of guns per capita on the planet, really a stupid idea, really a dumb, dangerous idea.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I guess I'm I'm like how how do they think this is gonna work their way I had that they think there's no end well
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, one of the things about this is that that kind of offends Virginians, if you will, not the, not that that matter is kind of no, the dust and does matter democracy, but like the British, the British Supreme Court has been historically really reluctant to trade in political things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, and they've certainly never had, you know, certainly not in recent memory have they invalidated a whole election.
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't validated maps and required new election to run on new maps on maps, but like this is totally different.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so I guess could the state legislature make a make a new law that would kind of go back in the back.
[SPEAKER_09]: I said just do the law based on the new maps and say F U to the.
[SPEAKER_04]: spring for it now can we talk to you more about this up you know after we we pay the bills and stuff because yeah okay good good cuz I'm I'm sitting here going there there there is gotta be a way that we can and of course there is otherwise so yes kitty kitty kitty see you see he's got her kitty too so but first in your drink do what you gotta do it is a Friday night Karen and Anita are coming in a little bit later we still have the drink of the day to get to Carolyn Fiddler is here right now we're talking about the uh-uh-uh-uh
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, I am super glad you've been here like now three times, but this is the first time that you actually got to meet Jody, which, you know, yeah, me too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is always it's it's always good when you go to the bar and there are people it's just kind of a cross pollination of ideas and things because I'm telling you especially now especially the fact that you happen to know well Virginia and Virginia politics and and I asked you this earlier today on blue sky because I was curious I'm like is it possible that maybe just maybe the Virginia let's I mean because we've got a democratic governor
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got solid leads in the acid elegance and the center.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, is it possible that they could, she could call a session, they could go in and write a law saying, no, this is actually what election means you jackasses, and then make it retroactive to say the beginning of the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just because, you know, you want to make sure we're in an election year that the entire election year is operating by the same terms.
[SPEAKER_04]: That it just happens to be a fair thing that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, it would retroactively apply and be able to tell the state Supreme Court pound sand.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this something that is possible to your knowledge?
[SPEAKER_05]: It is possible, but the courts generally are not fans, like not any court of expost fracto was.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could happen, but it could not change things in time for the midterms.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_09]: Cause Louisiana is doing it right now.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: uh... because uh... different laws in virginia the court would have because of the time line of the election uh... uh... uh... uh... court will be it now and uh... but but it's not okay it's because we tend to fall laws whereas republicans just do whatever the hell they want yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: So basically the problem is that Democrats are following the laws and norms.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whereas Republicans are, we're the idiots in the red coats right now, marching in a line.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whereas the moronic republican mega people are the idiots out behind the bushes picking us off I'm going no that's not how this is supposed to work time to throw off the red coats and let's go put on your blue ones and let's go I mean I'm tired of this yeah I mean there will be there will certainly be consequences uh for several of these judges uh one of them uh one of the ones one of the four in the majority is that for reappointment next
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope he gets gout, um, I don't want him to sit there and relax on the beach.
[SPEAKER_09]: Does he like Liverpool Pat Taylor?
[SPEAKER_09]: Because he can get it just by eating that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we could send that to him for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm just saying, look, I don't want him to say, well, I'm going to enjoy my retirement walking on the beach.
[SPEAKER_04]: You ain't going to be way
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to be this big.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Big as his way anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: Never mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not as big as his thing because that's Tina tiny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I still am like, I'm just so frustrated and I know that so many people in the bar and so many people around the country are
[SPEAKER_04]: We're tired of this kind of thing where if we do it by the rules, and there are a lot of people, there are a lot of people, Democrats, independents, and even some Republicans.
[SPEAKER_04]: The broad left, as we've said, who have said, you know what, let's throw the rules out.
[SPEAKER_04]: So since you're good at talking, it's down on the ledge about other things, Carolyn, can you talk on behalf of me who is talking on behalf of all these other people?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you talk me down on the ledge of why we shouldn't throw out all the rules, but maybe throw out of some of them?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm not sure if I'm person to do that today.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to be on the ledge with us.
[SPEAKER_05]: OK, I'm going to do it now.
[SPEAKER_05]: real story as I was writing my post for this we can say how's action breaking down why this rolling is trash which happens to be in the news on tap today and links to a whole thing here no problem dining um I I'm I'm I'm I'm typing away do my thing um and I get this buzzing on my smartwatch and I look down and it thinks I'm exercising I tell you what I'm going
[SPEAKER_09]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes when I get upset with people like now used to know, like online, I'm like, and my heart rate goes, I'm like, I need to check my
[SPEAKER_04]: that Republicans have any idea of the monster that they have unleashed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think people across the country are sick and tired of their thinking that they are above the law.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I just, I want Democrats especially, but Democrats and independents who are running to understand
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, you got free clearance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever you want to do, go boss to the wall, go ape crap, do whatever, whatever that phrase is that you mean that says that you have no more restrictions, do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you're a self-fed, let's go ham.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_04]: where that was that and look we know how racist and awful the Tennessee Republicans are they are in the NAACP is already sue in their ass good rate um... oh and then the other story that we happen to have in the news on tap anybody noticed that uh... alito's voting rights act ruling cited misleading data of course it is cited misleading data oops oh i just happened to push this over here that's not a real fact it's kind of close to a fact but i'm going to base everything off of it
[SPEAKER_09]: And you can't do anything because And I'll be stuff off of which trials at some point.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, come on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they all read.
[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't they already try to do that?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, with Dobbs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Pastrets.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just love.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that they've realized the anger.
[SPEAKER_09]: And the fact that John Roberts has, but he's like, why are you so mad at us?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's really for that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's start as my people say.
[SPEAKER_09]: Unless his heart, he saw you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would actually, I would hope that people would actually, if y'all remember Donald Trump's former press secretary back under his first regime, who's now the governor of Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that little red hen incident, the little restaurant right in the roll over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where could he be?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, y'all so mean me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would like that to happen for every one of the dirty six on the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_04]: They should not be able to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: They should be imprisoned effectively in their own homes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a lead-o-confly would ever flag he wants.
[SPEAKER_09]: Didn't have it on complain about something a while back to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Simple, but yeah, and I'm like, well, you know, if you don't start not, there won't be none.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hey, the restaurant has the right to refuse service to anybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_05]: There she is.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no democracy.
[SPEAKER_05]: No service.
[SPEAKER_05]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's your.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No shirt.
[SPEAKER_04]: No shoes.
[SPEAKER_04]: No democracy.
[SPEAKER_04]: No service.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hell yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Carolyn is right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the new.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's the new sign to go out everywhere in DC.
[SPEAKER_05]: I absolutely should be the case and we had to stop means that let's start printing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, then Republicans will be like, well, where am I going to eat me like that's a you problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's not me problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: Good luck shopping in a grocery store.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: The rain just started.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I had to lock the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pet for you to be outside.
[SPEAKER_04]: So sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: So sad.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're laughing, Carolyn, because you know, she's seen that, Jodie downtown DC when that happens when the rain started to suddenly clouds just rip.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all these people who didn't have their umbrella is they suddenly find the reason to duck into the nearest store, even though they're not going to buy anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oops.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I just.
[SPEAKER_05]: Has it melts because they're, which one's there?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're related to Margaret Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: God.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we, we have character not her.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we've gone through like a ton of nothing to share.
[SPEAKER_09]: Did she die?
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think she did.
[SPEAKER_04]: The actress?
[SPEAKER_09]: No.
[SPEAKER_09]: The character.
[SPEAKER_09]: Did you see the second wicked?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I was going through.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm confused even more than I've been.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I'm, I'm city of saying I don't quite understand you and since you lived in Arkansas at one time, Carolyn, I mean, you still have some friends, some people that you know that are in the deeper south than here in Virginia and family.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what are you hearing from them about some of this stuff?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, well, well, that's a long side as a white person my family in the South is like not doesn't agree with me I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, yeah, it is they are they are they are they matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: They frustrated because we are perpetually hearing these days From Trump voters who are not too keen on him now.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like we didn't ask for a war.
[SPEAKER_04]: We wanted we said we were gonna get cheap gas prices and no same files right
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, they are certainly way less happy than they were in a half ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that I think that you're right about a growing sense of anger.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think Americans just writ large, crave a basic sense that things are more or less fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the underpinning behind like the the new rise of white supremacy and how successful the right has been in and activating this sort of sense of grievance among among some certain sex segment of white people is why people right they they were they convinced these people that
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, helping people who didn't look like them was unfair, even though that's obviously not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think people are looking at their gas prices going up for this war that no one asked for.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: But like, well, that doesn't seem fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, Trump promised X, Y, and Z, and he wants a billion dollars for his ballroom.
[SPEAKER_05]: And people know that doesn't seem fair either.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that is really getting traction among the electric.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I look, we said at this morning when we were hanging out with Richard Chew at WCPT in AM950, where you know, Trump is standing around Hanson's pants playing with his ballroom.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, his testies are down to his knees.
[SPEAKER_04]: time and not time and a bow throw or like a continental soldier there you go I'm sorry I put that in everybody's Darrell Darrell is warm Darrell is warm Darrell is warm The finger jowty he's waiting for his character he's in the blue sky corner of the bar here Seriously Carolyn Darrell is like Jonny come on I'm actually warm I want somebody to draw that one of these days
[SPEAKER_09]: because it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not well, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say not that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you made draw, draw, drawing, dare a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, then you haven't like the situation like Indiana this week where Trump's revenge for a very successfully took out a bunch of your kind of older school, you know, more reasonable if you will Republicans in the state's air and those primaries they had.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but then they're going to probably lose the the magas are probably going to lose in the general.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I don't think it's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jerry's right and I mean we some of that win in Michigan this week too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which you could read about in this week in state house action Which you should subscribe to we happen to have that linked in the gas section of the news on tap today You go scroll down you see Carolyn you see her cute little kitty She's the kitty at the cute and sorry you see I love that Carolyn.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for coming in And it's you what talking us off the ledge.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And he did the math.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, but that's if you do it month to month.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't month to month.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you do it as an annual, it already drops the price to like a buck 25 a week and then we're giving a 10% discount to everybody this month because it's our birthday, but you get the gift exactly details are there at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: Come go and check it out that is also where we have the drink of the day, and I really like the drink of the day that you put together, Jody, it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like Coca-Cola, you like Coca-Cola.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, I like the other stuff that goes along with Coca-Cola.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the artwork?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, check this.
[SPEAKER_04]: When we commercials all of it, when we moved into the house that my family moved into in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, just before I started kindergarten back in the day, we moved into one ten sand lane.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's northwest in Cedar Rapids.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you can go look it off anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm gonna go look at myself.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of neat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, actually, they replaced the the, uh, berm that my dad made on the side of the house.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to front of the house on the left side.
[SPEAKER_04]: My dad did it with the railroad ties.
[SPEAKER_04]: They replaced it with these paving blocks they have now, but basically still kept most of it like he did, which was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, anyway, um, when we moved in there, it was a brand new house.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody ever been in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yet, in my sister's
[SPEAKER_04]: in the corner of the closet.
[SPEAKER_04]: She found in a little plastic sleeve, a Coca-Cola poster that was- That was- Did one of that construction workers leave it or?
[SPEAKER_04]: We have no idea how it got there.
[SPEAKER_04]: No idea how it got there.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was like a 19 teens Coca-Cola poster with this lady and this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, she still has it.
[SPEAKER_09]: When it had cocaine in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of, so I mean, I like Coke art.
[SPEAKER_04]: I still have Coke glasses.
[SPEAKER_04]: I yeah, tab, tab bottles, Coca-Cola product, by the way, we're advertising the advertising that they've done is just, oh my God.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they've been brilliant.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's ever new Coke, they've been brilliant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, the new coke was kind of the big miss, but yet today is by the way national have a coke day.
[SPEAKER_04]: My apartment complex did it to actually hand it out coke bottle to the really.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got a lot of people like coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, you were Pepsi people, but you know, it's you have your own day.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is natural.
[SPEAKER_09]: I used to know they've both since passed away two people that were Coca-Cola bottlers.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wow, yeah, and they were like a bottling company billionaires lived in Texas and that's what they did And I said if y'all get ever ever get rid of tab, you know, I'm gonna start drinking Pepsi
[SPEAKER_09]: but you still drink cooked.
[SPEAKER_09]: Unfortunately, I do.
[SPEAKER_09]: But, no, it was very funny, because the leptons were lovely family, by the way.
[SPEAKER_09]: And self-made, not, they didn't inherit it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they just didn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, they started a business.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always say when somebody says self-made, I'm like, no, you had help.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, but, I mean, they didn't inherit their money.
[SPEAKER_09]: They made their money.
[SPEAKER_09]: Their children have inherited the money.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, uh, because toy, but no nice nice, nice Texas family just nicest folks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good people in Texas.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're good people in the south.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want everybody to think that we hate everybody in the south.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't hate everybody in the south.
[SPEAKER_09]: We don't like the people you all vote for.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, or that the people who show up and vote who they vote for.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the biggest problem in the United States everywhere.
[SPEAKER_09]: We need to vote children.
[SPEAKER_09]: We need to not do like my my state now is voting.
[SPEAKER_09]: Luckily, the mayor race is also a statewide race.
[SPEAKER_09]: So hopefully more people will vote for L.A.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is...
[SPEAKER_09]: Normally, we don't vote in high numbers in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, look, it is important that people do get out in vote.
[SPEAKER_04]: And look, if you're standing in line in your thirsty, having a Coke can help sometimes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jodie, we're talking about Coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is the drink of the day?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it does involve Coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, we know it's because it's national drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Piscola cocktail.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, it's definitely got to have something Italian related.
[SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got a great, you, I love the right up that you did for uh, National Have a Cope Day and all the history and all of the different things and the little video and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, look at this and I love coke floats.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's the thing,
[SPEAKER_04]: It involves Coke, but it also involves something that you think is Italian, but isn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, think of it like New Coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what happens to be in a Piscola cocktail journey?
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: What you're going to need is a pre-chilled Collins glass, some ice, two ounces of bar soul, most of the early Italian Piscola, which is Peruvian.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Italian Piscola is in fact,
[SPEAKER_09]: premium from real real, but they use an entire grape variety.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're going to like kids and we have a link to how you can find it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two ounces of barcel most of their day, Italian Pisco.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or you can just ask your local wine shop for an interview.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they'll figure it out for you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Two dashes of Angus, Thor, a romantic bitters.
[SPEAKER_09]: But that's optional if you don't want it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't bother.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then a three and two thirds.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is very Pacific.
[SPEAKER_09]: or specific, which is what most people would say.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like the Pacific, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's, but I live near it, of Coca-Cola, preferably Mexican Coke, because it actually has real sugar.
[SPEAKER_09]: But if you can't find it, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Coke's zero.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can go to a, I don't know where you live, but like here in Los Angeles, there are places here that literally have Mexican Coca-Cola.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, all the time that was bottled in Mexico.
[SPEAKER_09]: Or kosher Coca-Cola.
[SPEAKER_04]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Also has sugar in it.
[SPEAKER_09]: So.
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Not, not corn syrup, because they're both bad, but sugar's better than corn syrup.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you, well, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you do mix them all?
[SPEAKER_09]: Here's what you do.
[SPEAKER_09]: You pour the pisco in the bitters into your cons glass.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then you top it with the cola, Coca-Cola, and you briefly stir it, and you squeeze the lime wedge, and then drop it into the cocktail.
[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like trying.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad you found this one, Jody.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a very good drink of the day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know Karen and Anita are on their way in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hey, look.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, yeah, she's always late.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's coming in and you get in before she does and this time and you go, she's always late.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's how my mom would say it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just for Boston.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are certain kind of accents.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can deal with a Boston accent.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I can deal with a Boston accent.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like Boston accent.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it's sexy.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Paula will be on the 19th.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she can do a really wicked.
[SPEAKER_04]: Paula Poundston.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we love having Paula here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's, this isn't our birthday.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, it is our one-year anniversary.
[SPEAKER_09]: We just have celebrities apparently on our one-year anniversaries.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, we're now on Call of Pounds thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: The main 19thes are birthday and my mom was our first guest.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we just have famous people apparently Carolyn says she wanted she wanted to be the first guest.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, when Carol Burnett says I am going to be your first guest, you say yes, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it was it was a technical issue that day, too.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was a technical issue is our first show.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, oh, yeah, she rolled with the she was great.
[SPEAKER_09]: She was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's my mommy.
[SPEAKER_04]: We had Carolyn Fiddler in here a little bit earlier, obviously talking about the reticulousness of the Virginia Supreme Court ruling today and about this, the stupid ass rise of the Confederacy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we asked her, well, ask you guys kind of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It isn't kind of like Mrs. Lincoln thing, so other than that, how is the play?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of the things my brother is moving to Germany this weekend, and that is one thing we've we've gotten in that conversation before about how you cannot fly a Nazi flag in Germany.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't know you can't have a totem comp for a tattoo.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't have those of you know knew what I just referenced and others of you don't anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean you can't you it's not allowed you can't have you know you and your Nazi friend group is going off to play No, no, and they don't like how Hitler can't do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean like we did we've had What's the name yes to go on?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, we unfortunately, the AFD, which is basically the Nazi party reborn has been actually winning some elections in Germany.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he well must support it them.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_09]: So did.
[SPEAKER_07]: The better he stands.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Trump administration has been trying to help them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a long, and we're going to probably be talking about that in our podcast later on in May when we have.
[SPEAKER_07]: Heidi and Wendy from what's the name of their global project for against hate and extremism.
[SPEAKER_07]: They were with the SPLC for 20 years.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, they're getting sued by the Trump administration faculty.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, they're not getting sued.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, they're getting there's a criminal investigation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, our indictment.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like seriously.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which is, yes, absolutely no scanning.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's absolutely no evidence.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's the right to the grand jury.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but that's that's what this Trump regime does.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the other big thing we've been talking about tonight is the fact that these idiots think that they can operate by a series of rules that only they get to operate by and everybody else has to play by the rules.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: the broad left, especially Democrats, but also independence, and also those people who for some God reason haven't changed their registration, they're trying to save their debt, but I'm just saying all of us, we're sick.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're actually sick and tired.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bring back the wings.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Michael Steele.
[SPEAKER_04]: You need to start the wig party again, dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: These are the no nothing.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'll give Joe Walsh with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: He'll go.
[SPEAKER_04]: He will go with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe would go with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can stay with Democrats.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe's doing some good work out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's trying.
[SPEAKER_04]: People out.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's trying.
[SPEAKER_08]: I want to know how policies have changed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't actually we can talk about that actually a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a point now a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look that's something we could talk because you know what that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not great, but better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you're exactly exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, fresh in your drink, Karen and Anita from the True Blue politics podcast here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been an exciting day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Get your drink fresh enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll come back hang on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The story is we tell it's a break when you guys This has to be patience content this now.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to just try it out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We love that you're listening on the radio where we were this morning
[SPEAKER_04]: with Karen Bern.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we were on the Richard Chew Show on WCPT NAM 950.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a good deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you by the way everybody coming in here on this Friday night hanging out with us for more ever you happen to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've been a little bit roudy tonight because we are
[SPEAKER_07]: I, I, I, I'm exhausted.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a long time since I did that, but I did them back in the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's understandable that good Americans are just so pissed off that these jackasses are doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's kind of and there are a lot of I With a personal bomb of this week when he was on cold there and he he didn't quite use the term The broad left and then John made a joke about that last night and he said they're called women Sean they're called okay
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure if there was, but Joe has moved on a lot of stuff, you can see that in the day that he was, for example, he wasn't
[SPEAKER_04]: didn't want any gun safety thought things things were fine now he's like no we really should have good gun safety he still wants everybody to have access or everybody who should have access to guns
[SPEAKER_04]: I do, too.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that's not a problem.
[SPEAKER_08]: That would never have been something Democrats ever ran on taking.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did you guys happen to see David French's interview on that podcast?
[SPEAKER_07]: What was the name of it, Karen?
[SPEAKER_07]: Do you remember?
[SPEAKER_07]: We don't remember.
[SPEAKER_06]: Was it your time?
[SPEAKER_06]: David French.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: New York Times won.
[SPEAKER_07]: They never trumped her guy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he was talking about how he thought racism was in a problem anymore.
[SPEAKER_07]: And how then he adopted a little girl from was a Haiti and he said, okay, yeah, she'll have, you know, she'll go up and she'll have about the same experiences.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was before this was before he adopted her right that he thought that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and then, okay, and then he adopted her and then, of course, every school she went to, she was called the Ann word.
[SPEAKER_07]: And she had a really bad experience where some people were screaming at her and her friend as they were walking down the street and tried to run them over.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've been pulled up in a truck, screaming at the end word at them and she was very shook up about that and he goes.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they realized he goes, I've been living in this bubble on the white, you know, educated, upper middle class guy who just stopped racism wasn't a problem.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that just shocked me.
[SPEAKER_07]: This guy was born in Alabama raised in Kentucky lives in Tennessee and he's not racism wasn't a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well he's white.
[SPEAKER_07]: A lot of people like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's white and he's also highly educated and he's upper middle class and he probably just thought in his world, you know, it wasn't a problem, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because in his world, he didn't confront it.
[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't understand it too.
[SPEAKER_09]: He didn't have to protect somebody that was being abused because of her, the color of her skin.
[SPEAKER_08]: He may have heard stories, but
[SPEAKER_09]: He was like, eh, it's anecdotal.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: The test, there are a couple of tests, Karen, for those of us who are here in Barr, who happen to be, you know, long-time Democrats, who are happening to be, you know, a little bit more liberal, maybe as a mother, you're mad, Democratic Party, because you don't think they're going far enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, and you're a little suspicious of somebody, like Joe Walsh.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like, look, they're due to, due to tests.
[SPEAKER_04]: First thing is,
[SPEAKER_04]: when they've come over to us on the broad left, have they by standing up for what's correct, have they lost anything significant?
[SPEAKER_04]: And Joe Walsh lost his radio show, which was his income.
[SPEAKER_04]: He lost all the people he knew as far as professionally business wise and in politics, he lost a ton of stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: He did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there a lot of stuff that we disagree on?
[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: But they changed it too.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_07]: She did think that things she said, though, when she, she didn't really separate herself from Trump, she bought it with him like 97% of the time.
[SPEAKER_07]: She didn't.
[SPEAKER_07]: She didn't really do that until after January 6 when it affected her personally.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then all of her life was threatened.
[SPEAKER_07]: than when her life was certain.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, she did give up a lot.
[SPEAKER_07]: She lost her seat, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, she was in the ship and then she lost her seat.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't agree on the left.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are a lot of the show left before that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are a lot of things in the in just on the left, not even including the centrist, the independence and the the Michael steel style Republicans, who aren't, you know, we're basically like the wigs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have I have seen Michael with a wig on before different kind of egg, but it's an H in there, but still if you look if you look at us that happen to be in the Democratic party and on the left.
[SPEAKER_04]: there's a lot of stuff that we don't agree on in there and sometimes we go hammer and tongs at each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got involved in an argument this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about it on the air.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here was at Wednesday, Jody.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well no, but Timothy Snyder says we have to form these coalitions to fight fascists.
[SPEAKER_07]: We do.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I just don't want them driving the bus.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Joe cannot drive the bus.
[SPEAKER_07]: No one has a tendency, though, to lecture Democrats.
[SPEAKER_04]: a little a little bit because and this is this is one of those things he's good about messaging he's good about messaging and he's trying to teach Democrats do you know I think I think I don't want him to teach us I don't I do do I do because he knows how they do it and he can teach us how to do it in a better way because a lot of the Democrats the biggest problem you recognize what their party was I need to hang on people like Joe was a party was a bunch of no
[SPEAKER_04]: But the thing they know about is the thing they know how to do is message too many Democrats do not know how to do like fight they know they know how to message and they know how to fight true in their own way too many Democrats who well this is a little confident I always wanted to carve over on our side right
[SPEAKER_08]: But I will say this, okay, and I think a lot of it has to do with optics, and so I can see we're like joe walls, like kind of behind the scenes, taught, you know, like helping Democrats, you know, message batter and whatever.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that though for the base for the Democratic base, the people like us that have been paying attention, it feels like, you know, and I even heard him say it's like, you know, hey, you know, I'm coming over to the Democratic party, there has to be room in the tent for somebody like me.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I feel like, and hear me out though, I mean, and I feel like two people that are a part of the base and have been voting democratic and they want, you know, Democrats to fight harder for progressive, um,
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you on that, but I think that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, hang on, hang on, hang on.
[SPEAKER_04]: The reason that the biggest reason I understand you're, I get agree with you on that completely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we all agree that there is a level of anxiety here.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this is one of the things where I've said, we've got to be comfortable with being uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things is, even when Democrats have fought hard or we still have not fought the way that Republicans truth.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Republicans lie, Republicans cheat.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we don't have to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, and we don't want to do that, Anita.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we do have to do things.
[SPEAKER_07]: But a lot of these never Trump Republicans are always suggesting we have to move right.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I listen to the board.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's what they're just saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're not disagreeing with you on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the part where we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys can sit down and back the bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the part where they oftentimes are correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: is there saying what does the letter of the law say?
[SPEAKER_04]: What can you get away with?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We tend to be, we talked this week multiple times.
[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't we joke about tilting about how you, when you play with a pinball machine and you understand, you can only tilt so far.
[SPEAKER_04]: Democrats are anxious.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're scared to to tilted.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to hit the little.
[SPEAKER_07]: Many Democrats are.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now people on in the base, like we are, we don't want to fight and we want fight.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we, you know what?
[SPEAKER_07]: And we're okay with, like,
[SPEAKER_07]: not breaking the law, bending the rules, kind of get it going up to the edge.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but that's what people like Joe Gauss can teach us to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sherry jacobus is great, but she also happens to be extremely arrogant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's downgrading now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the whole thing is, is that she is great at knowing where that tilt line is, and that's what they are trying to teach us.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we need to be taught
[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the things is teaching us to stop being scared.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know that we've got the anxiety.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to be fearless.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we have, yes, that was just going to say that we have to be bold.
[SPEAKER_07]: We were talking to Paul today on our podcast about some of the first things we have to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: And one of the first things we have to do is reforming the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, if we don't, no matter what we do, the Supreme Court we have now is going to overturn it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have now is admittedly it's illegitimate.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is simply illegitimate to court.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is illegitimate.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're corrupt.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're partisan.
[SPEAKER_06]: And total tax.
[SPEAKER_08]: But here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: One of the things.
[SPEAKER_08]: Poor John Roberts is very upset about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can definitely stand with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're ruined.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, John Roberts.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what this is?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're loving my four finger and my thumb back together.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is me playing the world's smallest violin for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Job is good for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_07]: For you, baby.
[SPEAKER_04]: one of the things that people that this is something that Joe Walsh if you listen to any his podcast, we got to get back in the in the bar journey, but one of the things we should have them on with these two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_04]: against it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not a rule, not a norm, is there any law against, is there anything stopping you?
[SPEAKER_04]: You need to have the attitude as Democrats who are in power of F. You make me stop me.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Come and get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's what Republicans say.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let me give you an analogy though, okay?
[SPEAKER_07]: Here's
[SPEAKER_07]: the king Solomon says, you know, we're going to cut the baby in half.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's two two women that claim to be the mother.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we're going to cut the baby in half and you can each have half.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then women's like, okay, yeah, the other woman, the real mother's like, oh my god, no, I'll just, you know, don't cut the baby in half.
[SPEAKER_07]: Then she can have it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the Democrats were always afraid because we do actually we're going to party that cares about tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_04]: We understand that but there are other ways I said this phrase for years, I've said this phrase for years.
[SPEAKER_04]: The only way that you go to prison for killing somebody is if you do it physically.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there are lots of ways to die, and there are lots of ways to kill people.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can kill someone's spirit.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can kill their relationships with their friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can kill their relationship in their neighborhood and their reputation in the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can kill people in a whole lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a whole lot of Democrats need to have absolutely no problem at no compunction anymore with killing off the people who would physically kill us for something.
[SPEAKER_08]: They have to stop worrying about, well, if we do this, then they're going to get into it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And you know, because look, and I think that what happened in Texas with the redistricting and then how Gavin Newsom and California responded, that was absolutely perfect.
[SPEAKER_08]: Because now it's like, hey, listen, you can't line about it because we're playing on the field that you exactly feel the play that you set.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're going to go ahead and we're going to redraw our mask.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm done with that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I heard it came Jeffrey say something about this is war or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the kind of thing that we actually we want.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I want to hear the truth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finally, how came.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's, and that's the thing is that people also have to understand there is, especially on our side, is that some of this stuff is going to have to be for show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of this stuff is going to have to be because when Hakeem Jeffrey says something or when any of our leading Democrats says something on a microphone or says it on TV or says it to New York times or whatever, it's not just Democrats that are listening.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's everybody who gets to hear it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and we need to be better at theater.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Republicans are, you know, I'm going to go over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they do.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how we do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you go over there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait a minute, you didn't actually kill that guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they go, no, but you thought I did.
[SPEAKER_04]: And because you thought I did, therefore you did this, this and this.
[SPEAKER_09]: So haha, I got over.
[SPEAKER_09]: And this is where people like Joe Walsh and others can teach us how to message better.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he ain't gonna drive the bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: He ain't gonna drive the bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's one of the things that Joe does.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to drive the bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he wants Democrats to be a party that actually.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because he and his ilk used to make fun of us for being such Worcies.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's still shocking to me that Joe Walsh is one of the people we're talking about now is part of this coalition.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know we're a team party guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember when he was running against Joe Walsh is at Joe Walsh if anything Joe Walsh is a devout Catholic and.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he's trained on his abortion issue, by the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he really has.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's literally he says, while if it was up to me, and if it was up to him in his wife, they would have a different decision.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he has up to that much, much like Joe Biden, who, you know, over the years, how to know him as well, who said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not my choice to make your choice for you.
[SPEAKER_08]: And you're saying, thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is how we lose all of this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the point where that's, that's where it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes I get frustrated with my friends who are further left, who I'm like, we need everybody across the broad left, because the only way that we are going to win it up for actions and get enough power is if we have so many people doing everything that we can.
[SPEAKER_04]: that the monsters on the other side are simply out swamped by us.
[SPEAKER_09]: What happened in Hungary?
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: And Madge, three toasts is not done with Joe is done.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so yeah, we've been talking a little bit about, you know, what, um, what some of the lefties have to learn from some of the former righties.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's, uh, what, what do we say?
[SPEAKER_04]: You need to.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about tactics.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not about policy exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's all this.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's staged with that.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, as long as Joe Walls and people like him.
[SPEAKER_07]: are helping us with tactics.
[SPEAKER_04]: But when they start, you know, people like Joe, they would love to be, they would love to be arguing with us about, they would tax policy about policy on Israel, which I still say Joe is not as far on that, because, you know, optimally, he would like that, you know, Palestinians to be living in peace and Israelis to be living in peace and nobody shooting a hell out of each other.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, I'm like, that's a problem right now on the far left with this whole thing with Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they a lot of them don't pay attention.
[SPEAKER_04]: We put it in the news on tap that the political forces in Israel who are pretty much allied against Netanyahu even some of his former friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're all kind of ganging up together like a super force and there's an election coming.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to get rid of him one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's also old like Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, with nothing else are to raise.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know what he's under indictment and didn't that the president said that indictment can go forward.
[SPEAKER_07]: They didn't harm him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because even though Donald keeps pushing for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I think the heart of the Donald keeps pushing for a pardon for BB, the more that the Israelis are saying, yeah, yeah, probably not.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot to be said for paying attention to everything along the way.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, and all these lefties that were like, they couldn't vote for Kamala Harris or Joe Barton because, you know, Gaza and everything.
[SPEAKER_07]: An aliquid they're not an aliquid.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it would have been it would have been a hell of a lot easier for them to, you know, just to vote for the black woman and not have to worry about all the ridiculousness that we're dealing with now.
[SPEAKER_04]: But no, they couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it works for the people in Gaza right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Way worse.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, because they did not vote for comment because you know what that was a deciding margin And a lot of places like Michigan.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was and and look the we have to admit The media the mainstream media has been horrible at a lot of them That's the nicest thing I tried to be kind sometimes we haven't in the fifth round today and a medium matter so ABC is fighting back I know there's something I know I love that story
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well tell for those people who don't know ABC has filed a lawsuit accusing the Trump regime of violating the First Amendment with respect to their showed the view and saying that they are chilling their free speech, which they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have a great case actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a here's a tip.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of these little tips that we will give you because we're
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going, we're going off the road there, but look, that story about ABC News, it is in the New York Times.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got it as a gift link so you can go check that out to the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's one of the little tells that you know where you say, well, well, how do I know if this lawsuit is valid or, you know, that kind of thing?
[SPEAKER_04]: So you look at who filed it on the side of ABC News and you look at who, you know, what they're talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: The company's paperwork was signed by Paul Clement, one of the most experienced Supreme Court litigators in the country.
[SPEAKER_04]: He used to be the solicitor general under George W. Bush.
[SPEAKER_04]: He is very much politically an old-fashioned conservative, probably closer to Joe Walsh.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he's also somebody who's won a lot of times in front of the Supreme Court and he's been in front of the Supreme Court a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he signed the ABC lawsuit.
[SPEAKER_04]: He signed the paperwork that says, yeah, you people can pound and you cannot.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that he's the one who's heading up the paperwork says, this is legit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry, but the legal counsel's office at the White House will look at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's that's the first thing they'll see is they'll look who signed off on this crap.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a comment.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, they will know people will know and by the way, the fact that the new CEO under after Bob Iger did this.
[SPEAKER_09]: Good for him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're not playing around anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there are a lot of people that are clapping.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh God.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's the thing you guys made out of her this today.
[SPEAKER_04]: So CBS quote unquote news is not surprisingly cutting ties with Sharon Alfonci after she outed the meddling by Barry Weiss on 60 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm shocked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no surprise there.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, Sharon Alfonci has the same lawyer on her exit that Don Lemon did at CNN.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think she'll get an
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm shocked that 60 minutes, the, I'm not reported there, the general, the investigative journalists there are still sticking with, well, they, you know, it's 60 minutes is one thing and CBS is another thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but there's, there is some, there is some legal separation because CBS at one time did specifically separate out 60 minutes a little bit, but mostly it's because of the fact that they're under contract.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if they leave under
[SPEAKER_04]: lawsuit for them and so I understand waiting to the end of the contract with Sharon Ophanci's contract supposed to be up at the end of this month.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well Anderson Cooper left other than he could he could leave whenever he wanted to get an out clause where he could go whenever he wanted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, here's the thing that I don't think that anybody thinks is cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I don't know if you guys know, um, if, if I say her name, maybe you'll know who I'm talking about, uh, she's an ABC news reporter.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I know she's talking about.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I know Rachel Scott is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's actually, she's really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like Rachel.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's the one Donald Trump called the B word supposedly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which would be exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Basically, she was a hasking pretty much why he was focused on the, basically he's vanity projects instead of the gas prices for the country.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he trashed her.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he said horrible person.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm glad that he did.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
[SPEAKER_04]: she's an excellent journalist.
[SPEAKER_04]: She is really fair down the line.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I just, to me, I look at it and say, the other folks in the press corps there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody should have said and, and, and.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as a reason that we didn't, we think it is that first of all, you can't even.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's chopper top.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's, that's, but why didn't somebody else from the press corps?
[SPEAKER_04]: stand up for and say excuse me sir.
[SPEAKER_04]: You cannot call her that that's not acceptable.
[SPEAKER_07]: What do they stand up for when they when they call the reporter Miss Piggy.
[SPEAKER_07]: Nobody has a trial and I'm missing.
[SPEAKER_07]: A po Ryan back in the first time.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: So strong black woman journalist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't figure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't hate them.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, he hates women and then he really hates women of color.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he very much hates Blackwood.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he hates being confronted with facts, like the fact that we have this in the first round in the increase in cost of war, the consumer sentiment has fallen to a new record low because of the safety gas prices.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, what did you present or something like that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very well- Well, it's an history.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were trying to grow about the jobs day numbers, but the job was wasn't that great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was steady.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the total is by the way, a remain far short of those that were under Joe Biden.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, probably have to, you know, go mark them down when they have to run.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are rising.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we'll buy some.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, the revisions are the revisions they did that came out to today.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Plus, you notice the fact that nobody, almost nobody in the mass media is saying talking about that Donald lost on his second round of 10% global tariffs.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got his ass kicked.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got a story on that of the news on tap, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: They went to court and they went, yeah, no, you can't do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the rules say, again, we keep hedging back to the rules.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that
[SPEAKER_04]: The rules and law inevitably, our laws in our constitution, flawed that they may be, do point to the fact that all persons are created equal, that it does not matter what the color of your skin is, it does not matter whether you, what your gender is, it doesn't matter who you love.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it still does.
[SPEAKER_04]: But under the law, the way it's supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember, this is something we dealt with earlier this week too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the EI talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like diversity.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about that today.
[SPEAKER_07]: They were, they, there was a report that came out of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, turn the deal off.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're interesting.
[SPEAKER_09]: They overturned that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, I like things being, I like a diversity of opinion.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like a diversity of, I don't want to see Congress be a bunch of white people.
[SPEAKER_07]: I want to see diversity, no, most people would agree with you when you break it down like that when you say, do you believe in diversity?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, do you believe in inclusion?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, do you believe in equality?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, do you believe in denial?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, that scares me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't see.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love the ACA, but I hate Obamacare.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I remember what.
[SPEAKER_07]: What if your hands keep the government hands on my medicare?
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you look at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That goes back to as we've joked here at the bar before.
[SPEAKER_04]: The milk bottle problem where they don't understand how the things are made.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't get that your medicare and your ACA, which is Obamacare, those are provided with your tax dollars by your government.
[SPEAKER_07]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, people just, I don't know if it's always been this way.
[SPEAKER_07]: It kind of has it right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: To some degree, we, we didn't hear it or see it as much because of the way that the media is now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that,
[SPEAKER_04]: individual voices are so much more able to be amplified because of, you know, your tech talks and your YouTube's and your Facebook videos and whatever videos you're doing on short.
[SPEAKER_09]: And now you just sounded old, your TikTok's and your YouTube's, you sound very old.
[SPEAKER_09]: Do you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_08]: You're my spaces.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're my spaces.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're my spaces.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we're
[SPEAKER_08]: And I hate the fact that I don't have one chance to break it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's important that we
[SPEAKER_04]: respect people who are professionals.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if you take your car to Joe, you the kid down the street and he f's it up, man, that's some trouble.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you take your car to somebody who was a licensed mechanic and they break it, you can suit our ass off.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't go to the guy behind the barber shop for your dental work.
[SPEAKER_04]: You go to an actual dentist who went to school and has a degree and has experienced.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is
[SPEAKER_07]: You don't blow to your plumber.
[SPEAKER_07]: People don't trust me.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's where the people, there's this kind of anti-expertise, you know, sent to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's been around for a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is where we've got to push back on that and you know, there's a reason.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason that we trust experts to some degree.
[SPEAKER_04]: We know, I don't trust myself 100%.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do trust the fact that I know journalism and I know how to find correct media and how to verify its truth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we know that.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people out there who don't.
[SPEAKER_07]: We trust experts every day.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, by the way, which we eat, the drugs we take.
[SPEAKER_04]: The one you drive on, yeah, we drive on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it's we usually do this, but I always ask because it's formality, I, you know, I don't assume do we have your permission to take you into the after hours?
[SPEAKER_04]: I still have a drink, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, can't say on a drink.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have to take the meat.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for the smart nons.
[SPEAKER_08]: I've been nursing it all day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, next week we got Brooklyn Dad to find Pete Dominic is coming in as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And even though it's a prize look, have yourselves a great weekend if you are listening.
[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Happy Mother's Day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: For those of you who are coming with us to the after hours, we're going to take this over to the politicsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_04]: Join us there momentarily for everybody else.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you Monday night.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.