[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek, Deep Space 9.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your host for today on my fellow Trek actors Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeill, and myself, Garrett Wong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing hand signals, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I didn't mean to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you who are just, you know, it's awesome because Robbie was doing really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some people are just listening, but if you, how could they possibly do that when they're getting all of this cool stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the cool content gestures, yes, he wants to do an interpretive dance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you subscribe at a $5 level, you can watch Robbie do a little interpretive dance to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: The nominal price.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see the entire video of the entire podcast and smooth moves as they call them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what people say about the smooth moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have to understand, you have to Robby is a very funny human being.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's he's a visual medium as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to watch him speak and make movements to get the full effect of Robby don't make new.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine him when I talk on the phone, him and Rebecca.
[SPEAKER_00]: moving to a crazy way, doing a move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pick up a dinner and he's like, I don't know if she needs my help or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a kitchen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do synchronize cooking, where they do moves and stuff together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am the cleaner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys have like, like, jobs that, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I am the clean up guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, get out of my kitchen now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian does that for Susan now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't do it for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: You deserve a cleaner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if I'm going to cook, yes, I think it should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people should share.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, you and I are Jason, we are Jason, we are Jason, because I also clean, but I'm not cleaning kitchens.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am cleaning clothing specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm doing the laundry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a laundry guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I tried that with others and they tend to leave it in the washer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the guys and why are we doing laundry?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm doing I always did the laundry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you leave it in the relationship, it's a few irritating.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you leave it in too long, you got to wash it all over again, practically, because it can get a bacteria and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to be, well, no, we're not in Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's so dry here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just leave the door open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on Star Trek, we didn't have to do laundry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's never any mention of anyone picking up any dry cleaning or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone doing your new outfits from, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garak, yes, Garak.
[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, no, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he do dry cleaning as well as tell her he was just a tailor?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have seen, but we never saw bathroom in our quarter, either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean it in Kira?
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be helpful as we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw didn't they see Kira in a bathroom one time?
[SPEAKER_01]: in a mirror or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a bath, probably, or was she just getting a massage?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when someone's giving her a massage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, she was wearing their clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: People just don't clean their clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: People just use for breeze.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just spray that to get the smell of a breeze.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't stand for breeze.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just have a pro for breeze or a not type breeze.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm anti-for breeze.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we can say something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lysol spray anything like, what would you use to like clear the circles?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Open the windows open the windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys are so natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I understand I used to use for breeze, but then it just kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: It smells dirtier to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very earlier on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just made me feel like then I have to clean the
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a tiny foils, like an oil, a diffuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice, okay, maybe that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A nice diffuser, what do you have diffusers on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm sure they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We needed them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if there's a sense in your house or your vehicle, your car and the windows open, don't remove that scent, then would you go to for Breeze or is it a clean product?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, or a deep-clean the air?
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you, or a deep-clean, or exactly?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have something to do with your car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I'm becker at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could afford to have that guy once a week, clean my car.
[SPEAKER_01]: can come to your house and like, oh, no, they came to the studio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they didn't add the studio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's one of those that somebody has to tell you when you go, I never knew that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here's his number and it suddenly is an easy thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do that at the airport here at Salt Lake.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can take your car for the VIP parking and they will clean it and yeah, I think it is yeah, yeah, yeah, I look at those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the spot now lay yeah, I use Wally Park and LA and you guys remember how often I went to Vegas and yeah, I'm Gary, so I would just give it to me that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took it to Wally Park, VIP, and then I would say car wash everything, and I come back and it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when you had the duckets to pay for that every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I got to wash once a week, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, during that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shall we talk about Perth?
[SPEAKER_03]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about Perth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perth.
[UNKNOWN]: Perth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy, happy birthday, you youngster.
[SPEAKER_01]: How young is Tristan?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's much younger than you would think.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's an old soul, possibly over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Possibly of empire.
[SPEAKER_00]: He might be of empire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Possibly of empire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tristan, I wish I could meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: May 17th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Tristan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tristan, my friend, happy, happy, happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has been a pleasure knowing you, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next up, we have also on May 17th, a very popular day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have Victor Ling, our good friend, Victor Ling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Victor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: My Asian brother from another mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Victor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have Chris Hansen, May 17th, Happy Birthday Sister from another mother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Hansen, you are my cousin from another mother.
[SPEAKER_01]: May 17th, you were born in a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has so many wonderful days, but none more popular than May 17th.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Chris, Victor and Tristan, Happy Birthday, Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: a clandestine date.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe happy birthday, Chris Hansen, the one person that I know that travels as much as I do, Chris Hansen.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are so amazing and happy, happy birthday to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I just want to quick shout out my sister's birthday is May 18th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Laura.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Laura.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, Laura.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go into poetry time with Robbie, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a limerick for this wonderful episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Children of time, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Timeline stories are fragile and thin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Contradictions are tangled within.
[SPEAKER_01]: but when Kira appeared, Odo's secret was cleared, I think a love story is about to begin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always struggle with timeline stories like because they're problematic for me, but this was a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one I actually did enjoy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard you also followed the rules that you cannot exist at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciated that truth, even though it was painful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh my gosh, I have so many versions of this poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am really hoping.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have more than one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have more than one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can read more than one version.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do an alternate version reading too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've done that before, or at least I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to just do my favorite one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I talked to Max, so I don't really know which one is, but this one seemed to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So crossing my fingers, I'm going to call this Ogo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unrequited love, my secret, my heart, overwhelming grief, my loss,
[SPEAKER_00]: I must give us a start to share with you my love, my stain, time is traveling to take a
[SPEAKER_00]: game working gain, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, why would he play it game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I was like, I loved everything, which is game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he gaming?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay, yes, you know, somebody who's just lost their hearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's something I heard and I'm like, why would I say
[SPEAKER_00]: that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't guess the thing either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do our brains do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: My hearing is so wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: The worst thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The worst.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called negativity bias.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all have all my problems for my negativity, but no, I apologize for my bad hearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what mainly.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, why would you, you can't control that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I can get a hearing aid and I probably could help me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do have, or I get my ears checked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I have a bunch of wax build up or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I talk about earwax.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I already went there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: High coup time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us begin with this high coup of children.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always want to say of the corn, but it's not children of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax makes faithful choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: A planet of descendants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got some little Graham.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was criminal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pedro submitted poetry winner, submitted by a frozen metal future born from wreck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Children plead through borrowed time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't choose this love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like that very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like who's short and sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you tell?
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell a play by Renee Shavaria, story by Gary Holland and Ethan H. Calk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, good writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ethan H. Calk and Gary Holland.
[SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Alan Cracker.
[SPEAKER_02]: guest stars, Gary Frank, as Yedron Dax, Jennifer S. Parsons, as Miranda O'Brien, David O'Williams, as Lisa, Dorne Fain, as Molly, co-stars, Brian Everchandler, as Brota.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mary Beth Masett as Perrell, and Jesse Little John as Gabriel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this cast a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Alan Craker directed our buddy Alan, who we've talked about before, did a lot of Voyager episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did a lot of Chuck episodes that brought him over when I was producing and Chuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could you see his name?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he married my makeup artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he married your makeup artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think there was a point where it was too much for me to go back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would go just to Michael for my spots.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then Karen started to do my beauty makeup.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that we could buy a little time, especially because he had Kate and Chicote,
[SPEAKER_01]: that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was bouncing back and forth between our sets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was for you were.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was the one bouncing back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would come to our trailer, too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: My hair done at my in the deep space nine hair trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hair trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would come to your trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your hair make up trailer for Michael to do my make up of my spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I generally had to get up so the cake could come in so that started to be a conflict because obviously I had to be on set on time too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's I think where.
[SPEAKER_00]: Karen came in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love to try to remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do know that you mentioned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing you in our trailer occasionally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we chatted much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I only remember saying hi to you in the street one maybe once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think our schedules wouldn't have been the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I had to get there earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so if you were in there, you could have been at the other end, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do recall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do recall seeing Terry there once in a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: I were like, oh, there's Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so it was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be like, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our cousin that she's visiting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it was really, it was a joy and refreshing.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Travis, right or Gary Holland got the idea for this show after seeing the second season episode, the collaborator, which she also wrote in that episode when Kira tells Odo that she is in love with Vedic burial, Odo reacts a little strangely.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the episode itself, he says it is because he is surprised that it has taken Kira so long to realize her true feelings, but many viewers felt it to be the first indication of Odo's love for Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's exactly how Holland interpreted the scene when he saw it, and he decided that he wanted to write a story about their relationship, but he knew it couldn't just be a straightforward narrative.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what is super interesting is that Gary Holland originally pitched this episode in 1994.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking about the beginning of, you know, much earlier, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So in 1994 during the third season of DS9, both Ira and Ron, so Ira bear, Ron Moore, they liked the idea, but they felt that the time wasn't right for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: because past tense part one and part two had been screened up too long ago and the visitor had been greenlit for early in the fourth season so they were not keen on doing another time traveling show so soon so in 1997 Renee Ishavriya called Holland and told him that they had received a very similar story pitch from writer Ethan Koch and
[SPEAKER_02]: So they felt that the serendipity of this event convinced everyone, it was time to do the show, so the producers purchased both ideas and had each writer do up a story proposal independently of one another.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robert Hewitt Wolf describes the outcome of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: quote, there were elements of each that we'd like.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we combined them in a blender, mixed well, and Renee wrote a really nice script.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's one a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they could have owned one of the two writers, but they said, hey, we heard this picture ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to buy them both and have both of you work on it and take the best, the cream of the crop of both writers and the hints we have this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's show this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, uh, not a little bit of trivia night the Nona Renee really were overly happy about the romantic aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did, they wanted their characters to stay friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: According to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they don't play at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I'm just saying they did such a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: They really did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they did not show their distaste for their, uh, you know, unhappy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be so professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And their professionals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Seroclofton does not appear in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We always, uh, we always missed your dear young
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they were writing him so much less at this point because of school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet that was a wonderful thing that they were respectful of that and that they valued, you know, that time in his life for him to really focus on school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if somebody didn't, Avery probably would have stood up for Serac about that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe you did, maybe Avery out to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he had a single mom, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, he still does.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I'm saying, then especially, I think Avery felt like he needed to step in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and be there for her too to stick up for Sir Rock is is Armin in it other than that little just a teaching thing no so that's really that doesn't really count does it so once again residuals yeah but also an are missing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can't use him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of weird trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode is the first episode of Star Trek, of any episode of Star Trek, to feature the use of a free standing ladder.
[SPEAKER_02]: really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's a bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, bizarre that it's notable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a ladder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was that weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason why they are saying we've never seen a toilet, but you think that nobody went to the bathroom if just because we never saw a toilet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I transferred you before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used the transporter to transport my, your, your waist, yes, I, I transported it right out of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you, did you, did you, I'm telling you what you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It went back into the replicators and was recycled into the food right eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, I feel I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't waste.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel ill now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just re-sighterevers image of replicators forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy you recollection.
[SPEAKER_02]: You taught me this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is my theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I again, I'm trying to jettison it from my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the good word to use.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jettison.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm just thinking these like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Ice capsules of of stuff of waste.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say give me a shot out into space when it explodes everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, if you're out of photon torpedoes and ice waste is really good to shoot a people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's where you put it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put it in the torpedoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot them out as weapons and fire them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would confuse the gemhadar.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we fired ice poop at them, they would be like, what are they doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel that the reason why we don't see Armin except for that little clip is that he's very, very busy on Buffy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode that we are reviewing air the same day as Armin Schumerman's first appearance on Buffy the Vampire Slayer on which he continued as a recurring character for the next two seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Schumerman has said that on at least three occasions he worked on both shows on the same day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, getting into makeup, getting into the makeup chair before dawn to shoot the scenes for DS9 in the morning and then getting out of makeup in the early afternoon and driving an hour across town to shoot scenes for Buffy late into the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I'm imagine guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't imagine because I did a soap opera in New York and the movie Masters of the universe in California at the same time you did double-duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know it occasionally would film the soap during the day New York Times and shoot a night scene at 3 a.m. in Whittier, California on the same day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, basically, but you were a much younger person than what Arman's age was here in terms of your vitality and your energy, yeah, it was not a good way to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's just it's taxing on you too, but at least you were a young man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was on the dragon the last night we shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was home for two hours had to change my clothes and be picked up by a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course that I slept through as I'm laying on my couch waiting for the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to fly to Vegas to do something for Paramount for Deep Space Nine in Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, there was the month we did rejoined.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was also doing a video game, Treasure Quest, Treasure Quest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I worked on the weekends.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was heavy in like three episodes that month.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was full blown.
[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more trivia here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, this is the fourth and final de-space nine episode not to feature any scenes based on de-space nine the station itself with the exception of the regular opening credits.
[SPEAKER_02]: The others are past tense part one, past tense part two, and paradise lost, and then this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are the only ones where everything takes place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's the way from the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's dive into the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start with a captain's log, which says captain's log star date 50814.2.
[SPEAKER_01]: The defiant is returning to deep space nine after a week long reconnaissance mission in the Gamma Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've been out, you've been exploring when we cut into the mess hall on the defiant, DAX cannot wait to sleep in her own bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here it does share in the scene that she's ended things with Shikar because the profit said so.
[SPEAKER_01]: The profit said they're not meant to be together.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's ended things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was interesting that whole conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo's reaction, I made a note, doesn't anybody notice?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: such a big reaction and nobody knows or are you okay did you just have a we know she was here does say is he all right at the end when you're right when he gets a big excuse himself he's the same and I say you know he's got a wall he's like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like Sanford and Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna TV show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He died in Reggie's Diner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I worked in Sanford and Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're actually passed away.
[SPEAKER_02]: You mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where we shot Becker was the same stage that the shot was in for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness, small world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he died on a set that was where Reggie's diner was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that weird?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a rare heart attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they said they thought he was joking on set.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't really show all the time until he fell over and didn't get up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's so sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't there, but Dax says at the end of the curious as to see all right in Dax says, you know, Odo, this sort of talk makes him feel uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm guessing that's how we've been reading it this whole time, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he doesn't like.
[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about having a romance with anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go into the bridge of the defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a crewman offering coffee.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's taking a traffic coffee's around, which I thought was very strange, especially with the coffee mugs that look like merch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would have saved us there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had the starfleet emblem, and then it said, deep face nine or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I was like, oh, they went to the...
[SPEAKER_01]: They went to the...
[SPEAKER_01]: They say quarks at the bottom, maybe?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, but it's probably...
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing those mugs, though, at the Paramount Store.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure they were trying to promote some merch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they grab merch for the Paramount Store and run into the frame for the product place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously not, but very funny, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, DAX picks up some readings on a planet nearby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody wants to go home, though, but DAX really wants to go explore this, because there's some kind of energy barrier around this planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't tell if there's life forms there, but Dax really wants to take a look.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco's like, okay, we'll make a quick survey, but, you know, he doesn't say, he doesn't like acquiesce that quickly, because he has that one phrase, he just, Dax is all into it, she's all sciencey and Cisco goes, Dax, just that's all he says, he's just trying to calm her down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, no, no, it's really gonna be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when he's like, okay, well, just go,
[SPEAKER_00]: are you sure it's safe to pass through the interference and I'm like, yeah, yeah, you shield modifications.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's science and you're up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I just think of a more fun guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew from that one DAX that this was the wrong thing to do with that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't everybody know that that's like laughing to you, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I think every time we go down there and then another character goes, yes, we just go, it's going to be a problem later.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're landing on the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bumpy, very bumpy going down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, defined shaking here gets this shock that sort of like double exposes her.
[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly, yeah, with something bad, something I mean, if you don't feel scared,
[SPEAKER_00]: when Cisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like she gets shocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming out of her body is what it looked like.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was not that was not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to draw light to access funny comment at the end of that last scene when Cisco is like, fine, we'll do a quick survey.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it's just some fungus, we're not beaming down.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what if it's smart fungus, which is, it was a sitcom moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: Funny, funny, funny, funny line there for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good funny stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're bumpy going down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here it gets this weird shock, but she seems okay, but clearly as the audience, we know she's not going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Worf does pick up some life signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says 8,000 life signs on the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they bring up Miranda and the other one on screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know their names.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know
[SPEAKER_01]: All kinds of stuff about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're all human.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no, you know, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, humanoid humanoid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say, come on down.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll we'll talk about it over rack to Gino.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, Oh, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to cut down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they've been watching on security cameras.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what did you guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: What what did both of you feel at this point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what was happening in your minds?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were all changelings that had formed into all these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of full.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody that this was, yeah, that's where I went.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mind was open.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember doing this one at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really is whole scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole way, the whole scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, I was straining to try to remember it's so crazy how their episodes though that you Yeah, would you have a no recollection, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: One or two if it's because this happens in real life, this is happening to me a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you are illuminating about your personal life, yeah, even though you're at work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's you're not present.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, even if you're just present for the scenes, you're personal stuff is going and we all know what it's like to rumenate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wipes your memory out because you weren't completely there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could probably cross reference shooting dates with, you know, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: personal relationship crap that's happening in your life these are like oh that's that argument there okay or maybe a grandparent passed away exactly yeah tragedy in the family getting to four yes yes great things yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut down to this beautiful town square.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very bright and sunny and idyllic.
[SPEAKER_01]: O'Brien, Warf, Dax, and Cisco all beam down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Miranda has some crazy news for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says this settlement was founded by a starth.
[SPEAKER_01]: The crew of a Starfleet vessel, a crashed on the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the ship was the defiant and she does say here that two days from now when you leave and try to pass through that energy barrier You'll be thrown back in time 200 years and you'll be stranded here and become the founders of this settlement
[SPEAKER_01]: What I know they're the decision this is where timeline that's why my poem was about time travel because I'm a little confused Like she's basically saying you're here with us in two days.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna be thrown back and start us over again But they're there like it feels like there's a loop
[SPEAKER_02]: that somebody because they lived up to the 200 years now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been there for 200 years now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know the date that they crashed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're like, it's coming up soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they were so on the view screen immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, we, we're expecting you because they, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to wrap your head around because it's always hard to wrap your head around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's why I wrote my poem about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's never going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: But still, super cool idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for the part, how will we be?
[SPEAKER_00]: How would they still be there if we're thrown back in time and pop in again?
[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't be there then, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: that's what they mean like because they're popping into the themselves their descendants base they're popping into a timeline
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of dropping into a timeline, they shouldn't be in if they're tied to that timeline.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Years and forward from where we are, so I wish they would have just taken out the Yobi thrown back in time and just said, you'll be stranded here and you'll be starting all over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in my mind, that makes more sense because otherwise, I mean, the rest of the story, they would disappear anyway if we came back and it was 200 years back in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why are we so upset that they're going to disappear if we got away, because if we're thrown back in time, but if we don't exist anyway, but then they will exist at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like their lives will be a thing, whereas if we don't go, if we don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they wouldn't exist if we came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would not exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had those 200 years, but we'd have to make them all over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you're saying they've come in back because of the disappear time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to disappear because you guys are already dead, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no there's no Cisco anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're thrown back in time 200 years, aren't they thrown back as well?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, because that's how they're founded.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they come up with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, so they need you to be thrown back in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need that to happen, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how we're back in time, though, when we crash on the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: like what happened to them two hundred years in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: In their past.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: How would they still be alive?
[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would eventually, they would become alive because you guys create them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, this is why I wrote a poem about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing because also at some point, Kira argues, you know, that that nobody, we went back home at the people that we
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, if we land in back in time, they don't exist yet either.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to be gone no matter what.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they will eventually be there, though, Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but then if we're working with those kind of time loops, so will everybody on the space station if we go back, everybody who would be our ancestors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that the argument timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: The argument later on is, yes, that's true, but they don't exist yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is, but the people in the planet do exist, like we know them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute, if we're on the space station, if we're on the space station, and we never landed on that planet, we jump 200 years in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a timeline where those people exist as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is possible, this direction and the other opposite direction was well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes my head explode.
[SPEAKER_00]: What makes my head explode is why is Dax not sharing that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's stuck in the paint, which clearly you see me like really upset when I finally get called out that it was my fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then isn't this captain's fault?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's the one who asked to, but he trusts me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stuff here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's just go with their story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what Miranda says and two days you're going to be thrown back and that's what makes us exist and you're going to become the founders of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yay, family reunion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just said let's just go with this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like Casey Kaseem, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So later after the opening credits, they prove who they really are, Yedron, the man and this team, he says you'll find the Dax in me and right here, Dax Gansim.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: They scan Miranda, her DNA is similar to Miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yetrin talks about something Curson would only know to Cisco about a dancer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very funny actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, you remember that dancer that you met in the Paleostation, the one who in Cisco goes, the one that will do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're in funnier.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Gary Frank started to do a thing with his hand, like her shape or something, and I was like, oh, wow, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys clocked this or not, but this episode had more and a haze of by main people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, left and right, where there's just no, maybe that's added, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have that, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was unusual to have a lot of that sort of casual, natural, like sort of, yeah, you know, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's because of where we were, possibly in that village.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked at the end with Wolf, how the kid Gabriel, who's super cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, for you, this son of Moog and Wolf, because I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: There says, is it true?
[SPEAKER_01]: You can kill someone just by looking at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he thought about, he's like, Oh, they went, I'm angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, wow, kind of remember that to tease a little kid when they say something like that, but the set looked beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this whole kind of village square was lit beautifully set design when the background lots of kids in the background, which is very unusual for us, you know, lots of young people.
[SPEAKER_00]: We must have been very tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I noticed several times the under eye makeup looked super bright on me and that's when we're shooting really late because when they've read on your makeup and you're an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: right and they've already they can't wash your face.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and start home.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just layered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, Kiki, they add a little moisturizer to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little of it and moisturizer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just is so much brighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they do that, and that only happens to me when I've already been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: 12 hours and it's funny because in scenes like this because the set is a day exterior town square or whatever, as a viewer, I forget that you guys could have been shooting these scenes at four in the morning or five in the morning, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the stage for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next up, we have Miranda O'Brien taking them on a tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: They end up at a meeting hall, which is also sometimes used as a classroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see two girls are basically getting a virtual lesson from a virtual core,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I thought that was pretty cool and we do learn from Yadrin that it was Dax.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Dax, the one that incorporated this, um, educational, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, It's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm annual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax, Jetsia Dax, Terry Farrell Dax.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this school program was designed by her and it was her choice to use, uh, corks image, um, from data files that they had on the defiant, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and this is,
[SPEAKER_01]: Armin's residual scene is residual scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a very friendly quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice that he's like talking to children and a very friendly way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like also in the makeup choice that Gary Frank's makeup, the spots weren't as intense as mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, same as that little girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you notice, those were like, you know, she had a couple here that it was only lying straight of true there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it dissipates.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Molly is related to miles of Brian's line, the one girl Molly and Lisa is the true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's who DAX comes down gets kind of, you know, close to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they learn in the scene that Kira died, which is big news, but they do learn that Yedron has a plan to make some modifications that are defined, and then they can create a duplicate of the ship, and both timelines can survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the duplicate can go back and start their timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, I knew this was going to be tricky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right when he said it, it was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like your response when Lisa's very excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to see where she's buried?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dax's maybe later, not right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little too new for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go on to space and I like this space shop because you can see the gas of that the thing that drew Yes, to the planet right there layer right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, yeah, I thought that was a nice detail and they did a good job about
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut into sick bag, here's on the bed, and we see that Odo can't hold his form.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't hold his shape because of the quantum fluctuation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the shears got him in this container and put him with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a little condo, little yet carrier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little bit carrier.
[SPEAKER_01]: put some in like a little portable refrigerator or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know what that thing is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked really official though, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it looked like a real deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like the status, yeah, here's the trivia behind the status chamber into which Dr. Perciere places the present day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo in his liquid state for safekeeping is a simple 20th century bread maker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Regressed with LEDs and other props attached to it it's a breath they literally went to best buy and bought a friend make bread for yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I still have mine although it needs to be replaced.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used it so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys could have stored Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were going to say it's like for a human heart or something because it looks so intense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look at the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know it's a bread maker.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know it's a bread maker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Bashir puts him in the bread maker and then he goes to meet the other Bashir family.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's curious too because he's got a Bashir line.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to meet those those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would have been a fun to meet them, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, auto comes in, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: The auto from this timeline on the planet, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That auto comes to visit Kira and he looks very human.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much more human than the auto we're used to and he ends this scene by by telling Kira that he loves her.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says something I wanted to tell you for 200 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Narees, I've always loved you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's the makeup that he had on, but I was mesmerized by that makeup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch your hands and very happy to the point where this seemed to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a leading man in a soap opera scene, which expressing his love.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was as the world turns for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was to mesmerize with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a compliment coming from Gawa.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, I'm not slamming it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying it was just I couldn't take my eyes off him and especially because they got to He got to use this real face most of it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was there anybody's left?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was definitely just around the eyes a little Life they had something something something on the eye a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think they had makeup on They just re-molded it that it was a different
[SPEAKER_00]: like a sculpture, but he still had the makeup on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks great and he looks like a woman's form was coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his hair was different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he just looked more masculine and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looked like a brawny guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what he looked like.
[SPEAKER_02]: A brawny guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say too because she mentions this how he's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just that he looks different.
[SPEAKER_00]: That he knows who he is now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not ashamed of who he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's connected to his feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's way more present.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a whole different person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could see her falling in love with a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: This person is for the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, I want to show you the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to show you a guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a beautiful place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we head back down to the meeting hall where Cisco is being introduced to his latest descendant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: So cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: That hacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Avery was clearly taken with every woman on that baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see the great dad, that's a great, I really think he must be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the way he treated sarak alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, anybody who we kind of mentored, I mean, I got some of it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very protective and he's so intelligent.
[SPEAKER_01]: While Cisco is loving on this baby, Docs calls and basically says the plan should work.
[SPEAKER_01]: His plan makes sense and everything's going to be all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the information he gave me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, with the information he gave, seems like his little, his evil plan is going to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we cut out to the town square, warfare's out there, but sheers there, they're surveying the infrastructure, seeing if they need any supplies before they leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: When some clink-ons arrive, it's warfs descendants, sons of moe, they say.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not all related to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They make the choice to be clinging on, which is amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of what that thing is done in a sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's three of them that you see, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The male definitely looks like he's descended.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just a little bit of a bumpage here, but not a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the woman is clearly one hundred percent human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joined the group, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: When you say that she has one of the joins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that's what they have to prove themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're old, you have a chance to prove yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're worthy, you can take a cling-on name and live amongst us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: How cool is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not very cling-on, but it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's their version of cling-on, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a evolved version of being a cling-on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like cling-on light, you know, in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I take care of her recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to have a feast to celebrate his return, and they want him to join, and he says he agrees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll look forward to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have a feast with him, cut back to the engine room, and the Adrian's telling Dax that she married worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where she finds out that she did marry worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this scene he reassures her that she's going to learn how to handle him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's comforting for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other and says in this scene, next the next fall, Benjamin performed the ceremony after the crash.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I cut my hair and more faded it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it started because I was moving my pony tail out of my way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were sort of anticipating like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to add that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, during those about details of this wedding.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, in that timeline, they got married.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut out to the town square where a Brian is working on a pump or a well or something and Bashir tells miles that he ended up with Angie Kirby.
[SPEAKER_01]: to Angie Kirby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's in Kirby.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he mentions Rita Tanabam and my skits very flustered about Rita Tanabam.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did he say he was like, I'm like, I don't remember these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, no, no, no, no, the Angie Kirby they say is brand new.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just transferred in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no way, even Miles was like, I don't know who that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And neither Bashir oral Brian, no Kirby, but tan and bomb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we've seen tan and bomb in a prior episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say, I feel like well, yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he doesn't want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I have a wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't blame him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too much to wrap your brain around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he looks over at Molly and Lisa and Molly is his descendant.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's getting, he's torn here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I don't want to hear about, you know, what happened here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yet, here's physical proof that this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's my descendant right in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and they look like young renders, his real daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we go to Kira's Grave site, which is up on the top of a hill in beautiful Malibu.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe question mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it didn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like Malibu.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought it was very in your area.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very sold at Canyon looking to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was very canyon.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the old fox ranch or Disney ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's out near Willa, about Rogers Park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't there a little larger spark?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a, um, I wouldn't be surprised if we park there and then drove.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just to where the band is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful and very green.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it must have been raining a lot in California because it was the hillside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira thinks though in the scene that there's, you know, one story, one timeline, that's her belief with her, you know, religion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says that Odo has changed so much from the Odo that she knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says, well, the other Odo, the Odo that you know can change to.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the same potential as that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a beautiful scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: They walk off hand in hand at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a thing that I mentioned earlier, just it's that he's so much more relaxed in his own skin.
[SPEAKER_00]: So does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, is it grand?
[SPEAKER_02]: This to me comes off like a master yoga instructor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so just chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he practiced yoga every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was very fit Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hiked
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know he loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, well, this auto also says, you know, this means that the other auto doesn't have to lose you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that you know this, you know, I want you, he's basically saying, I want you to know this because I want you to go back to that original auto, the me that's in that timeline and and know how he feels because he, he can't tell you, you know, he wanted to be couldn't tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: and be patient with that Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let him develop it to this Odo, the one that you are attracted to.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a beautiful scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the tree they chose and the hilltop they chose.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the town square.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's baseball practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gabriel Flynn, another boy are practicing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax tells Cisco that Yedron lied.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been lying that
[SPEAKER_01]: and she was going over.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the logs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd fake the information he gave me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was never going to be a duplicate, the client.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to protect his own people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to make sure that we got stuck in the past so that he could protect his timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Liar!
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's weird, though, because you think that if he didn't say anything, you guys would still try the same thing and you would end up going in the past anyway if you didn't say anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now this is where my head started to go boom, like I don't know, like, why is he faking anything?
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have to faking anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys are going to try to go to that anomaly anyway, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: To go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it would have worked not to say a thing about not being able to leave, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He could have eliminated lying and just lied by omission.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he didn't yeah, would have been less messy definitely until they crashed anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't have been live yet So Telling stories my head explodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got my ratings are changing
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't make it just let it just let the timeline flow over you just don't find this second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we not goa are we not more positive than can make nail over here about the show usually usually you are usually and you're the one saying yes there's this that and the other thing and we're like, but I just enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I'm just saying, I know we wrote it apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hang up now and just love this episode, the way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pop out to me and I only watch it once and I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch it twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got just a little too choked up about Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nina, it was just a, I didn't know why hearing that she was gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, I can't handle that right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this episode more than any other episode with Odo and it made me miss Renee.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was like, man, I wish Renee was with us still right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This would be, I'm so thankful to have a time our child with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would be awesome on the other side of the flyers, just talking about everything and just, oh,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... we're in the meeting hall right so we're we're in the meeting hall uh... decks in Cisco are just given it to yedron for lying to them how dare they uh... eight thousand people is is yedron's argument is this how can you eliminate eight thousand people because the minute you guys go back to your timeline we will cease to exist uh... don't you have any heart kind of an argument
[SPEAKER_02]: All the, yes, and this goes on as you can't play God, you can't decide that Kira can cure is the one to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: How can you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of philosophical arguments are going on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and also Yendra says, Yedron Blame's DAX.
[SPEAKER_00]: She should have seen the barrier was unstable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, he blames DAX at him, you and himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he says, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: He keeps doing that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's it's a tough scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the blocking in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a classic Alan Cracker with a efficient blocking of, you know, like when you got blamed Terry, he moved you kind of away from everybody, but kept you on that shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could see my shame is in the corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could check off play.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did like this direction very much in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stayed in the movement of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: There weren't shots that made me go, what are, what are they doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt smooth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the shots make sense, Tara.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we love him so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's such a flowy director.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, we really are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a flowy director.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a flowy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He flows, everything flows so well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at the end, Cisco says he's not going to let Kira sacrifice her life for 8,000 people or 8 million people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one has the right to ask that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's protecting his people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's looking up for his people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to the town square and it's evening and Kira feels very guilty in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, you know, these children have no idea what's about to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they go back to the space station, if they go back to DS9, that these poor children are going to cease to exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Worf says that's not the only reason that we're going back, but care leaves she can't stay here.
[SPEAKER_01]: She feels horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she decides to go back to the defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kids ask Miranda, why is everyone acting so weird?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are they adults all so quiet?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says, it's nothing, you know, nothing you need to worry about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And tell us what you tell kids, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when Worf says that Robbie, what did you believe that the other reason
[SPEAKER_02]: that it's not the only reason we are going back and he doesn't elaborate on that is it just because I'm also trying to go back to his family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they've already argued that there's a future family that it doesn't go back to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yes, it's the other family relations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything, it's not having a sense for Kira, but it's for now for Cisco's people, his family.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't go on this mission to sacrifice our lives for a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Warf is sitting by a fire in this scene and the the clingsons come over.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're calling off the feast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they they say this is not, you know, to just disappear from the timeline is not honorable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they ask warf to kill them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he agrees at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, okay, I'll come to you tomorrow and do what you ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I thought was like the word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't say, you don't want to kill you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do what you ask was perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to Kira's grave site.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sunset.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to emphasize how difficult it is to time production so that you're shooting at this magic hour that goes on.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it doesn't last long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does last long.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they got really lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: They planned well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably got one cake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so sad how weird to be over your own grave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira says the profits have laid out her path.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says in this scene to Odo that she needs to die here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: She's sort of accepting that version of the story as well for her other self and even for herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because she thinks the prophets have made this her destiny and on top of that, she just saw them about it not working out.
[SPEAKER_00]: her, she had that evaluation over her in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really fresh about them talking about this is not the life you were meant to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this happened so she thinks it all adds up to this is yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's making it logical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she's reading into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut inside the mess hall and Kira is talking to O'Brien and Bashir and Siscoe and War Fiat.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, well, the scene starts with O'Brien going, why do you lost your mind?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir saying, you're going to die in a few weeks if we don't go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, no, I've accepted it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And O'Brien doesn't like this at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a wife and
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira says your family will be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: The prophets will take care of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Miles doesn't see no offense, but I don't believe in your prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was so happy he said that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he also says something very important.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says I don't know those people, which does play a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the scene, though, O'Brien says, you know, so we considering this
[SPEAKER_01]: We are not, and Kira tries to argue, but he dismisses them, and Cisco's mind is made up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not sacrificing.
[SPEAKER_01]: their timeline and their lives for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start late.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we go to the town square next.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the next day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Worf and Dax are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're looking around Gabriel runs by and Cisco's grabs him for a second and says, what's up?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Gabriel says it's planting day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it must be a big tradition for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yetrin invites them to join and says, you know, it feels right to see this through, knowing it's their last day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we go to this field where back in Malibu, probably wherever they shot the other scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a beautiful montage, which we don't normally see in a surgery episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it goes on for a while, but quite a thing in the community building,
[SPEAKER_02]: connection, but it's so sad because this is it, you know, then there's stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like we planted a lot, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just some like sketchy little patch, it looked very well organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did.
[SPEAKER_02]: The little bit of trivia here to read is that the planting scenes were filmed at Amons and Ranch near Ventura, California.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the day of the shoot, there were gale force winds and equipment trucks had to be used as wind blocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: it was so cold that the crew were all wearing snow jackets, ski jackets, but the actors had to wear short sleeves and the wingtakes, the actors had to be sprayed down to make it look like they were sweating and they were absolutely freezing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I not remember that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't remember that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrifier.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was on the Arctic.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fleet deprivation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, deprivation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Driving all the way there.
[SPEAKER_02]: probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember there were a couple of times on the show where when we shot far away, I would stop along the side of the 101 and just close my eyes because I couldn't keep them open.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I remember that vividly, but that because that was scary too to think, okay, I'm on the side of the road, but I just can't, I can't even pull off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're thinking, oh my God, this is terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: That only happened to you once or multiple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of times, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: After the first time I would have told Transpo, you need to drive me over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am not going to fall asleep on the road and die, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you and who else is going to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this seemed, it was shot at Almondson Ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almondson Ranch is, yes, it's right near Malibu.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the other side of the venture,
[SPEAKER_01]: and it backs up to a place called it's where Dan Curry lived, something candy box cannon or anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I was looking at this episode, I thought, I bet Dan Curry went and photographed some some of the match shots on his house because it looked like we're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it past Calabassas?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's past.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of...
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost to the one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bell Canyon.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's we're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rocks and live there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rocks and eventually move there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, Dan was just dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bell Canyon is where.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it goes right into Omenson Ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I swear, Dan Curry took some pictures near his house.
[SPEAKER_01]: I recognized it from Bell Canyon.
[SPEAKER_01]: and now the fact that they shot at almonds and ranch makes total sense because they're it's the same hills it's the same spots yeah yeah very cool yeah well they do the planting day and we cut into it's evening now uh the workers are returning back in the town square yet written in Miranda thank them and give them uh the navigational logs
[SPEAKER_01]: to match their timeline and Dax says we need to go is a much time and we cut back on to the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry to just sorry Robbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what happened to that that awesome scene with the clingsons, do we talk about that when they showed up to the planting scene and how they said, but they did show up and go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just love that line when they were like, I thought you said there was an enemy divine question and Warf is like, yes, time is their enemies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah, it was like a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they went back to get some more.
[SPEAKER_00]: To get more things on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there's a lot of vignettes in this montage where, you know, a Brian kind of bonds with Molly and there's some beautiful moments.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's really nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they've got their navigational logs, they're heading back to get back to their timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we cut to the defiant, and Odo is telling Kira, she can't do this, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira says, please don't make it any harder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otis says you have to go home, you have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Kira says, there's 8,000 people down in that planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is when Otis says, and Reece, tell me one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you'd known how I felt about you, if I'd said something years ago, do you think things might have been different?
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when the kiss happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a wonderfully,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, tonally, the kiss is perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it needs to happen, but it's, it's, she, it's too much for her to wrap her brain around right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to die in two weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if we're going to get home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: She feels guilty about everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now she has to deal with all of this big emotional stuff from auto.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the bridge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles has created a probe to leave messages for the families.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's downloaded recordings into a class for a probe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've decided to go to do the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Robin, at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is this insurance because if something happens to us, now the probe has gone out and will eventually make it to deep space nine to tell them what's happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like impending doom.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they've agreed to go to go back in time and not go back to the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is their decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my missing scene because I got confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't spelled out what exactly is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was from what I understood from the planting season, O'Brien starts to bond with these people and realizes, no, we can't kill these 8,000 and everyone agrees and goes is on the same page.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you also saw, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that's why that montage was kind of changing their minds, you know, they're bonding their...
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I needed to see them after that to clarify.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because once this goes said, no, we're going home.
[SPEAKER_02]: you don't for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we planted with everybody?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but does that change?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much you love your son?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that change?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much you want to go back to your actual life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they skipped over that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But clearly, that's the decision that is being made.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just good for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really hard to me if they're confusing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the montage and we did skip over this a bit we glossed over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles O'Brien bonds with Molly and he goes over to Cisco at the very end of that planting montage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And says Cisco says it's something wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: O'Brien says we can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to say, what, and the brand says we can't let these people die, so when I remember that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so when when he said that, but that didn't mean we had a meeting to change all of what our plan is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just assumed it's just assumed then well, I didn't assume it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you didn't see it, but it's also in the town square scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Edron and Miranda says, here's the, here's the navigational logs to match our timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they're back to Edron's plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, it's not all of this felt confusing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it and it can be confusing for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a couple of little things, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't spelled out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's feels like there should have been a meeting where everybody said, Yes, we are we all in agreement.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to try this and we're going to sit try to save these people and everybody everybody kind of buys into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been a great scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they start heading for the anomaly and it's on autopilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the plan that yet to engage them, the coordinates is all put into autopilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly, they're varying away from the anomaly and they can't override the autopilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax can't do it and something's changed in the fly plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Brian's confused, Cisco's confused and clear the barrier.
[SPEAKER_01]: They clear the barrier.
[SPEAKER_01]: They scan the surface and there's no sign of the inhabitants, no settlements,
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like how Cisco's last line with me, I say everyone we met, they never existed and Cisco says they existed as long as we remember them, they always will, you know, such an important point to make when you lose people too, yeah, we go to Kira's cabin, she's lying in her bunk bed when the doorbell rings and Odado comes clean here.
[SPEAKER_01]: and says there's something you should know, the other Odo, the one from the planet, came to sick babe before he left the ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is our real Odo back to the real Odo.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, soap opera Odo came to me and told me everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They linked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know everything that's happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows about the admission of love and the relationship conversations.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also told him that he was responsible for changing the defiance flight plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that he did it for you, Narees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did it because he loved you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Narees flips out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not happy about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just love the dialogue.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thought so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yoga, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda, Oda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're surfing, surfing, Oda.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he just so's in my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's easier for Oda to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you, because he will still exist in our Oda.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they've linked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like he disappears from all of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He survives back in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a liking this episode that they book end the episode with a scene in the mess I'll talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira's, you know, we're Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the news that she's broken up with.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's his name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shikar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shibraka.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start with a bit of a Kia oraoto love story.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a very different place here with a Kia oraoto love story.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is his book ended?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is still book ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a big bow on it for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: To wait to unwrap that package.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, last bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last bit of trivia before we get out of this one is Originally, it was supposed to be Yedrin.
[SPEAKER_02]: who caused the destruction of the colony, but Iris Evenbear felt this was a missed opportunity that it didn't create any kind of conflict between any of the characters and as such.
[SPEAKER_02]: He suggested that it be Odo instead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the writers felt that this was too dark a thing for a regular to do, especially the morally rigid Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: But bear argue that the sense of unexpected darkness was exactly the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bear was always keen to take any opportunity to darken the show and the characters in unstar trek like ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it also feels super human, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not super human, but it feels very human.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: His choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That he had the latitude of being a changeling makes it even more interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we are at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the moral theme lesson of this show, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down, love makes you do crazy things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, I like that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, how great you want to, if it doesn't work out how your fantasy is about the story, your story, then you can move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can move on if it doesn't a relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it doesn't turn into one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my lesson is when everyone on the bridge crew is tired, no more surveying new planets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they should, I think they every should have gone decks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never mind dear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, our Patreon poll winner for the theme moral of this episode is submitted by Lori Ulster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every choice along the way affects our future path.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's an honorable mention going on there is and that honorable mention is submitted by Amy and that would be love like survival is a powerful motivator.
[SPEAKER_02]: both can drive us to make extreme choices, which may be out of character for us in normal circumstances, which is pretty much Robby's thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you do crazy things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that was so rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you say whenever in plain and simple English, Robby's is the layman's terms, and the Amy gave us the college version of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you level do it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did it everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to the end of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for having me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm
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