[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jockel podcast number 539 with echo Charles and me, Jockel, with like a good evening echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Leonardo DaVinci.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said there are three classes of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those who see those who see when they are shown, those who don't see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to you about something that we brought up on the underground podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I coined, I called it on the podcast, Gray Slop, Gray Slop, Gray Matter, like you know your brain is Gray Slop, Gray Slop.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has to do with detachment, which is another thing, you know, I've been talking about detachment for years, detachment from the chaos, detachment from the mayhem, detachment from your ego, detachment from your emotions, that's going to make your life so much better if you can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But lately I've been looking around and realizing how truly difficult that can be for people and at the same time, seeing how important it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: and how much it really fouls and jams people up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at someone, you know, like you and I've talked about, you see someone that's drinking too much and it's kind of bringing down their life and you can see it so clear, but they don't, they don't get it or they're involved in a relationship that's a disaster and you explain to them what they're like, no, no, no, no, like this time or I can savor or whatever whatever the thing is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are all emotional decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are just being all.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're all in your own gray slop, your gray matter, your core.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this gray matter, actually as the gray matter that I'm talking about is called the limbic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get into this some more later, but the limbic system is kind of the part of your brain with the animal instincts, the raw emotion, it's got the fear in there, it's got the rage in there, it's got the fight of flight things, it's very fast, it's very impulsive,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your limbic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other side, of course, you have the prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the rational brain, this is the logic brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what it has, this is what gives you impulse control, this is what allows you to execute long-term planning, which I know you like, strategic thinking, strategic, is in your prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: moderating your behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't go nuts is in your prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's people been talking about this for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is nothing new.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I talk about detachment, I'm not the first person to come up with this, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, dude, people have been talking about this play dough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Plato had the chariot allegory and you had these two horses.
[SPEAKER_00]: One was the animal mind and the other one was the spirit and though and the moral impulse and and the driver is reason that's supposed to guide those forces, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is not this is nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No Take heart had the the machine versus the soul and the animal the animals just instinct and humans have the ability to override those instincts you're supposed to have that ability
[SPEAKER_00]: In more modern times, like nowadays, Daniel Kahneman, he wrote a book called Thinking Fast and Slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: He breaks it down to these two systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: System one is the fast, the automatic, the emotional, the intuitive, and then system two is the slow, deliberate, the analytical one, Jonathan Hate, describes the elephant and the writer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his point in the elephant, the elephant's big and strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like if your emotions are big and strong, they can override the writer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to do what it wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good analogy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can take something away from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Peters.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote a book in 2012 called The Chimp Paradox.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he wrote a children's book called My Hidden Chimp, and then he wrote a guidebook to go along with that in 2018, and he wrote a book called The Path Through The Jungle, and he runs a consultancy which is called Chimp Management, because you're inner chimp when he calls the inner chimp, that's the thing that's going on emotion and going on animal instincts.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the frontal cortex is the human thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to manage that chimp in your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, these are a bunch of these are centuries worth of people that have talked about this and written about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And clearly people understand it and have been putting a word out forever and yet it's very difficult for people to implement it.
[SPEAKER_00]: this detachment, and I don't think people, one thing I don't think people realize is how much influence that animal brain, that gray slop that's in your head, how much it really influences
[SPEAKER_00]: your logic and your rationale.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think people see that it's not actually each of these examples they talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is two separate things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's all kinds of little wires going between the two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't sometimes don't think people recognize how much they feel like they're being logical, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like they're using their human elevated enlightened brain, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're using the chimp brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we do things and we think we kind of think that the animal instinct is kind of good because, you know, if you get something happens to your afraid, you get extra strength, you were just talking about before we hit record, you know, you see fighters that they're exhausted but then they knock the guy out and all of a sudden they have all this energy for the celebration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the little energy for the celebration.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a regulatory component that's going on and then it overcomes it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we get extra power when we need it sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like it's helpful, but there's just so much more going on inside that gray slop and I just don't think people recognize that a lot of times they think they're out of the gray slop, but it's really like they're neck deep and it's still interfering with their nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of getting little sprinkles into their eyes and it's just bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's real, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this again, this is not me saying my theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like factual information, the amygdala, which is part of limbic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wants us to categorize people as us or them, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's part of our nature.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means prejudice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means irrational polarization.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we get into clicks, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Social status.
[SPEAKER_00]: social status, posturing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You might think that's like, oh, well, he's got a big ego because he's insecure, but actually as an animal, higher status, positioning means you get more food, it means you get better mating rights than the other animals.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're actually genetically programmed to kind of posture up and act off and show off.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an animal instinct that you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, how's it make you look at makes you look arrogant?
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes you look stupid, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all kinds of things that translate this animal behavior that translates into our, what we think is oftentimes elevated behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is stuff we talk about all the time, national and front, the feeling like I need to be right.
[SPEAKER_00]: because if I'm right, I have more status, if I have more status, I have better, you know, position in the hierarchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are just to show off.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pain of the pain of social rejection is, you feel that there's, that's like a similar, it's processed almost the same way as physical pain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I people are so scared of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: hypervigilance, negativity bias, like we focus on bad news, you're genetically programmed as an animal to focus on bad news because good news won't kill you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we get hyperfocus, fixator done.
[SPEAKER_00]: The resource hoarding means I need more, well that's a human instinct, that's why people do impulsive shopping, that's why people binge eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's actual hoarders in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: That hoard things, their whole house is filled with stuff that they will never, ever, ever need.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's one, displacement aggression.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when an animal gets stressed by a more dominant animal and it can't fight back as it knows it's gonna lose, it turns an attacks weaker animals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that sound like something humans might do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all these things play into, and of course we got the one that we hear about all the time, which is again pure animal instinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's instant gratification from the dopamine loop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dopamine wants reward right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't care about five days from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't care about five years from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even care about five hours from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wants dopamine right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why you're doing scrolling.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you're eating junk food.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you're making all these short term decisions that are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's genetically programmed into you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It used to keep you alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're like, I'm just going to keep looking for these berries until I find them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get food.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just going to keep going after this animal until I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have food.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to keep chasing down this cave woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can procreate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're all those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet they made it into our world right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the people, this is what I think is interesting, because I think people have varying levels of escaping their gray slopp, and most important, it's difficult to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the people, when you're just swimming in your own gray slopp animal instincts, you don't see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel different, you don't know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: you it's not like the temperature drops and you go oh wait a second just got cold in here no you're just like everything looks the same except for your really emotional now and you don't say oh I see what's going on this is my I mean this is the problem people have is they start getting emotionally no go oh this is an animal instinct of mine taking over and I shouldn't allow that to happen so and and people have varying levels
[SPEAKER_00]: of being able to escape their gray slop that's given them all these animal instincts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, when you're when you're little, you're just in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why little kids lose their temper.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they get nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they even a little baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hungry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Screams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy, that's what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now as we get older, hopefully we don't scream as much, but when a little kid gets bullied, how do they react to it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: When a little kid is afraid, how do they react sometimes they cry, they freeze up, but then as you get older, hopefully you control those the most, when you get dumped in 10th grade.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I got dumped, you know, when you're crying in the school or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: when you get dumped when you're 24, you're like, okay, hey, it didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a little bit more mature.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a little bit more, but at least you'll hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's face it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance, by the way, there's a reason that people get murdered after they get after they dump someone, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because people just succumb to just gray slop and it's the end of the world and it's so emotion and it's ego and it's chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they go and kill people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're supposed to grow out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it takes time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why a young male driver has a really high insurance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this dude is just, I mean, he's an animal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, how fast can I go?
[SPEAKER_00]: How, you know, I'm gonna take risks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna make things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I can survive, but I'm gonna push the envelope.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, over time, you get more and more elevated out of this gray slap and you get a little bit, you know, a little bit of distance from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it still drives so much in people, and by the way, it's one of those things where, if you think you're not insane,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the person that's insane, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The person that's a, I'm not crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, no, no, that's the person you have to watch out for.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the catch 22, the book catch 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were, if you were sane enough to say, I don't want to fly on these raids, then, well, it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so when we're crazy,
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know that we're crazy and when we're caught in the gray slope, we don't know that we're caught in the gray slope.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so think about all the things that are in your head that drive decision making process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, fear and anxiety.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that make us do?
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes us freeze up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes us play it safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about anger?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anger drives us to the short sighted wind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way to win an argument with your wife to show or prove it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Greed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Greed is the other one, and the spectrum, now you're just ignoring obvious risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you got excessive optimism.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are monkey minds right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sadness.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we're really sad when someone's really sad, they lower the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: They settle for less.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good as I can get.
[SPEAKER_00]: need for validation.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an animal instinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're doing things just for approval.
[SPEAKER_00]: Making decisions so that you can get approval of fear of rejection.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens if you're fear of rejection, which is an animal instinct to have?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't step up, you don't take you don't, you keep quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have to be right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm better than them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll start tomorrow, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Even conformity, the herd instinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all things that will make us make bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many teenagers have made bad decisions because of they're trying to conform with whatever everyone wants to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is peer pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a thing called halt to HALT.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hungry, angry, lonely, and tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: These things all disrupt your decision-making
[SPEAKER_00]: We even have a combined name, hangry, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm hangry, people are like mad to get out of my way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get into the freaking KFC lines, ASAP.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get that dominoes pizza right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's hangry, but people make dumb decisions when they're lonely, people make dumb decisions when they're tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so many of these decisions that bad decisions that we make, they're just rooted in this grace lock in this limbic system and this chimp brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And generally speaking, like I said, they're not good decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's something that I think a lot of people don't recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can elevate above it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can get out of the gray slot, if you can get out of your own limbic system, not only will you then be able to see
[SPEAKER_00]: the errors that you could make that are being driven by your animal instincts, but a huge bonus is that I can see now Echo's champ-brain in action.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, in other words, if I'm walking down the street and I see Echo Charles and he mouths off to me, like, get out of my way or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: My, if I'm in the gray slop, what am I gonna do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who the hell are you telling me get out of your way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I push them, maybe I attack him, maybe we escalate the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm elevated, if I'm enlightened above my own gray slop, and I'm walking down the street necklaces, get out of my way, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: that it is his animal instinct that is causing this behavior and I say oh that guy must be having a rough day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not much game to interact with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to like you know move a little bit to the right and I'm carrying on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you when you're not caught up in your own animal brain you can see when other people are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you want to see problems at alcohol, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which unleashes our chimpanzee brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now all of a sudden, you bump into me in the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a challenge and we're fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm elevated and you bump into me in the bar, and I go, hey man, this guy must be having enough day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can deescalate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing, this doesn't only apply to like physical altercations, we do so many dumb things based on our ego and our emotions and our chimpanzee brain that have nothing to do with physical interactions at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's because the mind recognizes
[SPEAKER_00]: things that are rooted in physical survival, but they're not actual physical survival in today's day and age.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, like, hey, if I'm I'm protecting myself, like I have to have some animal instincts, but if I'm just protecting my ego, why, I don't know animal instincts to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm trying to show that I'm superior because I need to get more food for myself in a caveman situation, okay, make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm trying to show my superiority in a board meeting, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can prove my position in the hierarchy, it doesn't make sense to do it there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we make stupid mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, by the way, those things, when I try and prove a point in the board meeting and make Echo look like he didn't know what he's talking about, that doesn't help me, it doesn't help Echo, it's not the right thing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the instinct is actually wrong when removed from this
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people talk down to other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people impose their plan on a group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you need to do it like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people try and get the credit because I'm trying to prove my status.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people make little manoeuvres to try and get the promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's based on their hierarchical status and they want to, they want to rise up.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people escalate an argument instead of de-escalating an argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why people talk and set a listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all just monkey brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all a bunch of emotion and ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: and we have to get away from it, and it is not easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is so intertwined.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the metaphors that I raised, the elephant, and the chariot, and all these things, these are metaphors that make it seem like there's a really good clear bifurcation between these two elements.
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, they are much more intertwined.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's little, there's little wires going all in between the two of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I found a good article about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the article relates to it somewhat what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's from a combat perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, this doesn't just apply to combat, but I want to read some sections from this article.
[SPEAKER_00]: The article is called Neuroscience for Combat Leaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's written by a guy named Major Andrew Stedman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the little footnote about him, it says major Andrew Steadman, US Army, is an infantry officer and a student at the Command and General Staff College for Levenworth, Kansas, holds a BS from the US Air Force Academy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must have switched from the US Air Force Academy to the Army.
[SPEAKER_00]: His combat exploratory experience includes two deployments to Iraq and one to Afghanistan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this article
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're going to see some examples of what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can extrapolate this combat situation to the rest of our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, everything in combat is more pronounced.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it should seem real obvious in combat when someone does gets caught up in their freaking animal brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It causes real catastrophic situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: but makes us stand out.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we get caught up in our animal brain during an argument with our spouse, doesn't lead to a catastrophic scenario, hopefully most of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you, if that's how you live your life, your life is not where it should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to this article.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything you do in life is based on your brain's determination to minimize danger or maximize reward.
[SPEAKER_00]: The brain wants to move towards things in life that give it pleasure or ensure survival and away from things that cause it pain or threaten survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Combat demands that military individuals overcome this natural impulse to survive and move toward the danger.
[SPEAKER_00]: From this perspective, succeeding in combat is a measure of how well the brain copes with dangerous situations and performs tasks that ensure survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: The field of neuroscience has seen significant advances in recent years, and the benefits of this knowledge can positively affect numerous disciplines, including combat leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Using functional, magnetic, resonance-sons imaging, MRI, surgical methods and experiment-based approaches researchers have revealed many of the biological processes that underlier most basic, emotional, and cognitive behaviors, such as how and why we react to threatening situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: how our brains allocate energy to cope with competing demands and how our senses interact with our minds to create the world we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, threatening situations, what's a threatening situation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm going to read an article that's written by an infantry officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think threatening situation is gunfight, IED threat, mortars inbound.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a threatening situation for a normal person is like, Oh, this guy is maneuvering and trying to get credit for the project that I led.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a threatening situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a threatening situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what triggers our limbic brain to kick into gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the article, learning about brain function and physical reactions to stress does not simply inform the leader but creates self-awareness that makes him better able to control these processes.
[SPEAKER_00]: tactical level military leaders can use new knowledge to understand the effects of combat and anticipate and recognize cognitive reactions and adjust their leadership abilities to succeed in difficult situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can do this by performing exercises to decrease physiological stress reactions using emotionally controlled leadership to guide their organizations and creating an environment to during battle that facilitates effective decision making.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to
[SPEAKER_00]: force are brain out of the animal mode and in the logical mode when we're in stressful situations that's what a combat leader is going to have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: By educating soldiers about brain function and incorporating cognitive stressors into training leaders can prepare their units to perform battle with emotional stability, but it is not just combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can do this when you're having a conversation with your boss when your kid is getting mad at you when your kid does something stupid Which they're gonna do because they're a kid?
[SPEAKER_00]: You you can react like an animal and Do bad things do think do things that ram a negative impact when it's situated or you can control your brain You can get out of your own gray sloppy
[SPEAKER_00]: basics of the brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Combat leaders need a basic knowledge of cerebral biology to understand the importance of the mind's function during combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two major areas most relevant to this topic are the limbic system and the prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: The former is the collection of brain regions involved in emotions, learning and memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: The latter is for higher level thinking, that's a prefrontal cortex, actively influences body functions and performance, input travel long pathways in both these systems and allow us to react to scenarios with a balance of emotion and reason that's what they're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does our emotion so often take lead?
[SPEAKER_00]: So often, it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: located in the center of the brain, the limbic system primarily contains the thalamus, hypothalamus, hippocamp, hippocampus, and the amygdala, and is the creator of emotions and memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Its primary function is to interpret information sent from the body senses to the to issue emotional commands back to the body.
[SPEAKER_00]: The limbic system also sends a data to the executive areas of the brain, the frontal lobe,
[SPEAKER_00]: for cognitive processing and receives instructions about how the body should respond to the given situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the limbic system can independently respond to the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we react to threatening situations, this occurs on a subconscious level.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the amygdala, the feared anxiety response center compares data from the world with the hippocampus, which is the memory data of experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the incoming information corresponds to a threat
[SPEAKER_00]: The amygdala immediately commands the body into action.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've all experienced this process when our reflexes have caused us to snatch a hand away from closing door and leap away from a snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's some times where it's going to do something, and if you don't have control over it, that those times are going to grow, those times are going to be bigger than they should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the classic thing that I tell people is if I said, hey, Echo, I'm going to beat your house.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you come home and I'm gonna scare you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably 0% chance I'd be able to actually scare you But if I just got in there And I tried to scare you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably a really solid percentage that I would scare you
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's having the cognitive pattern where you can get control that quickly, is very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the document.
[SPEAKER_00]: The more sophisticated process of the minds occur in a sheet of tissue, just behind the forehead, known as a prefrontal cortex,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is memory judgment planning sequence of activity, abstract reasoning, impulse control, personality, reactivity, surroundings, and mood.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty big, important block.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it crazy that it just gets overrun all the time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like every time you see someone get road rage, they've lost their mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually that's funny you hear me say this when I when I talk about someone losing their mind and I've never thought about this until right now It's when they've lost control of their prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like and and I say that a lot, you know I'll be like oh, this dude just lost his mind
[SPEAKER_00]: But the funny thing is, I say it when I'm talking about people that are doing something super emotional, their ego is out of control, like someone doesn't want to go, the duty lost his mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've heard me say this, I do this, but that's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've lost their mind, they've, they've, they've shut down their prefrontal cortex, and they're just full, champ mode, just going.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what allows humans to solve math problems, develop abstract concepts and ponder our own existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also the area that military leaders used to balance risk and combat develop courses of action and create strategies to lead effectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a little section here about every part of the brain is packed with blood vessels and it talks about how it actually the brain redirects blood and glucose to appropriate areas based on what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: This allocation leaves less fuel for other brain functions like cognitive control, which requires vast amounts of blood and glucose to operate when the limbic system is heavily engaged as it is during high threat stress of combat, it will quite literally steal fuel from the prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thus, handy-capping a leader's ability to combat the situation with cognition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So think about that right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're losing your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something that you can train to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what you used to call stress and accumulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get put in stressful situations, often you eventually get used to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's not gonna need to steal so much fuel, so much glucose and oxygen for your frontal cortex because you're not freaking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That uh that does explain panicking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh for sure more like where it's it steals blood and nutrients from your prefrontal cortex He gives it to other parts of your body by by way gives it to the part of the brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's freaking out
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so basically your prefrontal, your decision making goes down, the rest of your, the other part of your brain, the panic mode, that part, the emotions is lit up and then it feeds the rest of your body that it, you know, like when you physically, you know, you're running away from a dog chasing you or something like this, where you go, you'll spring right into action.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if there was no dog chase, you'd be like, probably not running nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all of a sudden you have this energy out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spontaneous energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that explains it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also explains why people shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It explains why people do dumb things in the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It explains kind of explains crimes of passion, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm so emotional at my prefrontal cortex, which is long-term planning is like, oh, if I do this, I'm gonna go to jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: My life is ruined.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's all shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just, I'm gonna pay this person back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you've heard of this, and I always wonder if it's,
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't help but believe that it is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where some people they'll do a crime of passion No matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then they won't get convicted because they were temporarily insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something like this Where and then from what I understand like when they evaluate the person they literally don't remember I was about to say like sometimes people don't even remember doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's times where people do things like in a combat situation They don't remember right like they don't remember that that happened
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were just in full survival mode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it doesn't even, it doesn't go into the part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the brain that that has memory, the hippocampus that creates the memory, like kind of it just shunted all the energy and nutrients to the other part of the body and it wasn't working for that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and by the way, you could see this a lot with your kids because your kids, you know, they're It doesn't take much to just shut down the the thought and just become a little animal Back to the doc has successful business consultant and CEO David rock explains in the book your brain works The degree of activation of a limbic system is the degree of deactivation of the prefrontal cortex
[SPEAKER_00]: brain research has shown that there are many more neural connections that flow from the migulate directly to the prefrontal cortex than vice versa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, it's easy for our emotions to guide or suppress our rational thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a crucial fact because military leaders must preserve cognitive functions when leading in combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Combat has all these things going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fear, anxiety, pressure, stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention physical stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention you haven't slept in day and a half for two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: The limbic system in combat, the limbic system is evolutionarily older than the prefrontal cortex, primitivally old.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it developed to help man survive the ancient battlefield of predator versus prey.
[SPEAKER_00]: The limbic system has the chemical authority to initiate rapid responses to threats, and is good at doing so.
[SPEAKER_00]: The amygdala ignites, adrenaline flows to the blood, the pulse races, the eyes focus, and rapidly scam for threat improvement.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hold unnecessary digestion and tense major muscle groups in preparation for a clash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the brain teaming with blood vessels redirects the available supply of oxygen and glucose rich blood to the limbic and motor areas so that we can react quickly in the impending fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, the mind is in its most basic survival mode that has no spare energy to vote to solving geometry problems or pondering philosophical dilemmas.
[SPEAKER_00]: This biological decision to focus resources toward limbic areas during dangerous situations is what keeps us alive at a time when the cerebral problem solving approach would be fatally slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: But today's military leaders do not face the same world that our ancestors did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you don't face the same role that our ancestors did when you roll into a department meeting that's going to be tense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you'll roll in there and just shut down half of your prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: or you've got a decision to make on buying a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're all emotional excited about it and you just shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're pretty override.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're pretty frontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking out of there where the $1,200 a month payment on a, on a, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: A 72 month loan.
[SPEAKER_02]: but it's all relative though, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know how you're like, oh, yeah, our ancestors and their environment is so extreme.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like there's an element of certain extreme levels of things that you kind of get used to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you know how, you know, feel Vaughn hasn't as the joke, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, we all have our Vietnam, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where it's like it's relative to the person.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're not, if you start to get used to stuff, then yeah, you're gonna be less sensitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so if the environment is extreme,
[SPEAKER_02]: like you're used to it on a certain level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you'll still have all these fighter flight stuff, you know, all this stuff, but it just takes a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not these, it's not like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just more sensitive, seem to say it's a board meeting kind of seems like a little bit of a final boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or not to mention with someone bumps into you and the vans shopping line.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe mouse off to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now all of a sudden, we got a situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: animal comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: While there are still many threats that require rapid reflexive action leaders also have to manage countless streams of information, communicate over multiple technologies, technological systems, balance political, military and civilian considerations and lead hundreds of men and women in the process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Combat requires a coherent, rational mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: combat as full of stressful moments, initial contact with the enemy, rushing to secure an enemy and me terrain or responding to an unexpected event.
[SPEAKER_00]: That test emotional resolve, those involved experience intense sensory input and encounter debilitating explosions, grotesque scenes and threatening enemy movements.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the limbic system attempts to keep pace with the environment, it staves the soldiers
[SPEAKER_00]: Coupled with the typically exhausting physical exertion of combat soldiers are constantly or consistently at risk of degraded cognitive processing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got a quote in here from JFC Fuller.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said in an attack half of the men on a firing line are in terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other half are unnerved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go into the leader and combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Each duty position on the battlefield contains some balance of reflexive and cognitive tasks.
[SPEAKER_00]: some can be trained repeatedly in developing a muscle memory like loading and firing a weapon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Others are more cognitive in nature like calling for indirect fire according to synchronized attack while each soldier has his own personal tactical situation to react to typical front-line rifleman operate in reflexive region while the cognitive component of the battle increases with the rank and responsibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this article, the term leader refers to any individual is responsible for leading several groups of soldiers in manoeuvre against the enemy and mass-manage multiple battlefield systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: This leader spends most of his time on the battlefield outside of his weapon sites, you heard me talk about this 10,000 times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Highport your weapon, look around.
[SPEAKER_00]: While the team in squad leaders are in question with leaders, they use battle drills and reflexive training to guide most of their actions, and we'll not have to rely on their abstract cognitive abilities during combat, unless they're operating as an autonomous element.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two leaders and the two in sergeant are the first leaders that engage in more complex problem solving than direct fire battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: The company level commander is squarely in the cognitive region with occasional moments that require reflexive action.
[SPEAKER_00]: The battalion level commander will
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What can these leaders do to mitigate physical reactions to stress that will never be occur?
[SPEAKER_00]: What methods are available to regain cognitive control and place the leader in a position to maximally benefit the unit?
[SPEAKER_00]: First, actively decrease the effects of stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Second, infuse emotional stability into the organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, create an environment of that facilitates effective decision making.
[SPEAKER_00]: right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's three of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Control the effective emotional energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: As combat will readily reveal the body and mind undergo rapid changes when reacting to stress while moderate levels of stress improve functions like motor skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stress can easily impair performance in cognitive areas where today's tactical leaders typically need to operate heart rate.
[SPEAKER_00]: blood pressure, and breathing will all increase digestion will slow, and nausea may occur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speech may falter in auditory and visual cues that may diminish.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these effects are natural as the body mostly reacts to the fight, however leaders have a responsibility to control the effect of emotional energy and remain calm in the face of danger.
[SPEAKER_00]: one proven combat used by law enforcement and military professionals this tactical breathing as one of only two automatic nervous systems actions that we can control the other is blinking breath rate is the first reaction to stress that leaders can rain in so you can actually go send it in the other direction so why people say take a deep breath
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately after significant pressure occurs, or just prior to entering a high-stress environment, simply take several successive deep breaths and hold each one for three to five seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you breathe, visualize your body relaxing and remaining calm during the event, although time may not allow you to just take a long tactical pause, simply diagnosing a rapid breathing pattern, and forcing a couple of slow breaths will help decrease the body's agitated state.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again,
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when I were talking the radio, I didn't want to sound like a panic freak.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would take a breath and when I took a breath, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Calm down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another method of controlling stress is a concept called labeling and reapprisal, which is the act of naming the emotional state you are experiencing and actively reassigning a new emotion that is more productive for the situation verbally identifying the emotions or reassuring yourself that loud activates the prefrontal cortex and begins to reclaim some of the power from the limbic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: simple keywords like steady, stay focused, and relax are active reminders that can elicit a controlled behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something I've been teaching lately.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have something called a Diddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we used to use the Diddy for
[SPEAKER_00]: like pistol work right you'd have a little thing that you would say to make sure you hit all these points of performance you know fast to the holster thumb on the index turn point you know a slack off the trigger easy squeeze front site focus and you do that every single time you'd say that did it to you was like that was that yours that was everybody know that's you made that everyone's I just made it up right now and it probably wasn't a great one but
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, lately I've been saying, hey, if you start feeling like excited, save yourself a little ditty, calm, cool, relax, calm, cool, and collected, whatever, something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say, you know, slow, smooth, smooth, smooth, this fast, slow, smooth, smooth, this fast, calm down, calm down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like whatever, say something to yourself is a good way to get yourself to calm down.
[SPEAKER_00]: A unit's motto can be another re-steadying phrase, repeating these words, can trigger confidence and strength in the face of trying circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: More important, such statements, not only have effect on leaders, but also filter through an organization to reinforce its members.
[SPEAKER_00]: The key is to talk oneself into a mental framework that is capable of handling the highly cognitive experience of modern combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: to have any military leader will readily support the practice of unit rehearsals before the operations of course, rehearsal, rehearsal, rehearsals do individuals not also have the responsibility to rehearse how they will react and combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: professional golfers, divers, and other elites who rely on precise skills use a techniques called visualization to reinforce desired behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Likewise, a tactical leader can benefit by visualizing himself performing with an emotional calm and cognitive clarity.
[SPEAKER_00]: A leader with clear vision of how he wants to perform will, as survival author Lawrence Gonzalez put it, create a kind of memory of the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting concept that the brain can access during combat, like muscle memory proper mental processes can become reflexive.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got her a herdsman.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recently relearned this lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was
[SPEAKER_00]: in a movie and in this particular movie it it's kind of a long scene and I don't say I don't say anything until the end of the scene I will two lines
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the funny thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I'm I'm trying to be professional, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think I'm trying to be professional?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm trying to be professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big deal when you're when when you're in something like this Hollywood scenario because They have to do it a bunch of times and the everyone's on a clock and everything's getting all set up and the lights and the cameras and all this stuff and like if you screw it up, bro, everyone kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't like that and no one says anything because they don't want to put more pressure on anybody You know because then people freak out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone just but it's like a it's the heaviest like unspoken like weight Of like dang like I think that's good
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny when someone screws something up, you know, the director, when I was on billions in the TV show, there was three of us standing in this scene, and we were doing it, they were doing the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the director was downstairs, we were upstairs, he was downstairs, like all the cameras were upstairs, but he was watching it from downstairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like,
[SPEAKER_00]: somebody wasn't doing something that what the way the director kind of wanted it and he like because okay uh you know whatever cut and then there's like a pause while the director walks up the stairs and then he like says something to one of the actors like hey you know maybe just you know a little bit more like like gives him a little direction he's a director gives him direction
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, okay cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he walks back down stairs and we do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like Do a couple of cut and now the director's coming again and you know you're sorry and he's so I was like I hope he's not coming to talk to me because everyone is watching and everyone's going With this actor freaking not nailing it so you feel kind of bad so yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm filming this thing and I'm just, I have two sentences, one line, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Two sentences, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't said them yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're recording for like an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all the other individual talking, just delivering these lines, delivering it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing great job, just all great, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then They have to stop and reset all the cameras for a different angle because now it's It's jacquist And believe me, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess what I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I memorized those lines in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went through me my head I was like boom boom boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went through me my head like hundreds of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so let me ready bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pro
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't want to add up from filming warrior kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't I know when it's like when someone you know when you mess Something up and make jeez got a roll in and say hey, okay, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, we'll do it again You know, everyone feels it camera man's lugging that thing around and he's kind of like bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You had one job
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, this is now three four hours into this and it's finally now we go the other angle and finally it's now my turn to deliver my line and and the first time I say it I had not even I memorized it I hadn't spoken it I hadn't actually said the words and they were kind of like a little bit awkward
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said it bro, but I got it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I powered through it
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, but it wasn't smooth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the performance that you hoped for.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the performance that I don't think anyone was so good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got it done, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, oh, you didn't say the words.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't actually let the words come out of your mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a bad move.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like when you partially rehearse something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why what's interesting here is like, you might have the idea of like, oh, I'm gonna, if we get to hear, I'm gonna give this command.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you've never actually said it, bro,
[SPEAKER_00]: It might jam you up a little bit and I got jammed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now look like I said, I just had to go in a team guy mode and just get them or it's out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I didn't want to have to just throw away the take, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got the words out super awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were like thinking maybe, oh, maybe, you know, maybe Joc was trying to put a little stink on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I, but I was like, yo, I wasn't trying to put anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to get the words out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I learned that lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to, you got to actually say the words.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just practice them in your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's another thing I was alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was no one to practice the lines with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, what are you doing in the mirror or some stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just like was literally looking at it and just going over it like with like sitting in a chair just thinking the words How long did you have to like from the moment you got the the what are you the lines the script?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the moment of performance how many days how long did you have to prepare?
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably had weeks to prepare, but I only prepare for one day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't need to I mean it's literally an over two sentences It didn't take me long to memorize it, but I didn't say them
[SPEAKER_02]: I think even you preparing jammed you up, and this is why so I have you know how like you ever been in a situation where you're like I'm gonna let you continue it wrong, but I'm gonna let you continue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because I believe I'm right right up But I'd be interested to see if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: So You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you don't seem like you type though to have this problem, but
[SPEAKER_02]: I've run into a situation where I'm like shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of bring this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even a big deal But I just I feel like it's the right thing to bring it up and like sort it out right to whoever whether be to your friend or your wife or whoever right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna bring something and then I'm like all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to bring it up in a way that makes it seem like it's a big deal then it really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ever heard me say, and I know this, I say this all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I consciously say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say, even me bringing it up is making it seem like a bigger deal than it really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always say that if it's like a small thing like that before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's to make a big deal out of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, cause I got deep to the, but only because in the spirit of understanding, you know, but then I got to be like, hey, but the more I explain, the bigger deal it seems, so now I got to explain how it's not a bigger, and then it becomes a whole thing, you see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: So here, so that, and that's part of my point, where if I'm like, okay, I already made the decision to bring this XYZ thing up, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I already made that decision.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how do I deliver it in a way that makes it not a big deal?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was up with it, but there is a way to do that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're going to deliver something in a specific specific way, it has to be natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, it looks contrived and then now you introduce another element of the whole conversation, are you being authentic?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you being a victim to this big deal?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, which isn't a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you jump up your whole process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I said you were going to be wrong, but I think you're actually right in many cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just to finish what I, when I jam myself up beat from time to time is all be like, okay, let me just practice in my mind how I want it to sound and I'll go over it and over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that whole process of me going over it in my mind makes it a big deal to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also in your mind, yeah, maybe if you would have rehearsed out loud saying the words, yeah, there's a one more element that comes in the play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've said I feel like that is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so besides that part of it, the point is if you don't actually go through it, because that's what being natural is.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're actually natural doing something you're you're really used to doing it, so it's just natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it's your first time ever doing it, no matter how simple or complex it is, your first time actually doing it, ever, and you've been thinking about it, it's impossible to be natural.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is kind of a the similar thing when we record stuff at echelon front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like someone will be one of the instructors would be like, oh, hey, you know, talk about cover move and they'll be like, oh, you want me just to say bubble and they rattled off and you go, yeah, that's perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the red record like comes on boom, it's game over every disaster.com, but this is stuff that they've explained thousands of times they know in and out better than anybody and boom, you hit that they see that red light brain lock, brain lock all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that has something to do with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that if you really, I think that you reach a point in memorization where it does become.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will sound natural because you've memorized it, and it's now it's coming out of your brain just like it was What is it thought you know that guy just thought of this so I think if you partially memorize something It's probably gonna jam you up But if you memorize it to the core it's probably gonna be beneficial.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that you won't be a bad actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you won't be like saying the line
[SPEAKER_00]: Any military leader will readily support the practice of unit rehearsals before an operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you might say it like a dork Yes, or like in a very unnatural way and not know There's a there's a reason that actors
[SPEAKER_00]: that there's a reason that some actors are good actors, because they can do it and it's convincing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my little theory on everybody thinks they could be a good actor, but it is is more tricky than a lot of people think.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that and I feel like at the end of the day it comes it kind of goes along with what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like think about the this idea of doing the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Snowboarding, for example, I watch all these tutorials.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you put you in before I went, you know, and that one's obviously because it takes a lot of physical balance That you can't just learn on a video.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to actually do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's like an extreme example But just this idea of doing the thing xyz.
[SPEAKER_02]: So your thing that you had to do was say the lines and how you did it was kind of up to you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But you had to do the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this case doing the thing is just is saying line.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're doing that it didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: You never did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never said it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't make it look natural and you can't make it look authentic You can make it look however your quote unquote trying to make it look Because it has to it can't be contrived.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it because technically I'm sure like these lines You there's probably handful of ways you could easily set them and they would have been right on For a bunch of different ways as long as it came out natural right that's really what good quote A good acting is but what's interesting is because of the role that I was plagued wasn't actually me
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done plenty of things where I'm just straight up just being Jocco or some other named of a guy with Jocco who's just Jocco with a different name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've done that many ways, but I'll tell you what, proud said that that's exactly how that's.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, dude, you're...
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people, they start to act the way they think they are in their own head, so that jams them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Sam Harris talked about this long time ago, where it's like, okay, you use a certain party of brain, like you know, that your habitual, I don't know, whatever, you know, all the parts of the brain here, but there's like this party that does the habitual stuff, walking, talking,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, whatever, just habitual stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to like, okay, let me take my this step or that, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that, and then there's the other part, which still make you do the same action, but it'll be way more clunky.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, yeah, right here, this is where I really notice it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, I walked it up and I missed the stairs in my house a million, trillion times.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I'm carrying like a big TV or something, I'm like, bro, I can literally walk up and down these stairs with my eyes closed, but I'm like, bro, if I take one wrong step, I'm dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now my, this other part of my brain is engaged, just trying to manage it, trying to micromanage your movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all jammed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it makes it worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're, I'm literally worse at walking down stairs now, that this other part of my brain is all engaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happened when the red light comes on.
[SPEAKER_02]: When their video tape and the echelon front, who, you know, who, if you're jamming up your lines, go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happens when they're saying action, you know, like all this stuff, even if you're quote unquote just being another version of Jockel, which you've been for however many years, you know, that there's other part of your brain is trying to be Jockel.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the part of the brain that's used to being Jockel, it's been saying so good actor, this is what it seems like anyway, and I've heard people say this where if you can just, they say it's not even acting, you just be you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's essentially, you got to like, like, act as I'm hearing this
[SPEAKER_02]: Bro, the disengaged sale, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see how it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going there, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, okay, you know David Fincher is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does like he did like seven find out like he's a director, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's known from doing like a ungodly amount of takes.
[SPEAKER_02]: and in his philosophy is like, we make people, he makes people do the lines on set in the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cameras running so many times that after a while, it's just like, all right, while I'll do whatever, you know, the lines coming out, the physical doing of the lines is just, that's natural already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I said.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you memorize it to a point and you've done it, oh, we're no, we're no, again, now it just, it's part, you're not thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You stop thinking about it and just start doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but in,
[SPEAKER_02]: show business or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: How often do you get the opportunity to do it in the actual moment over and over and over again?
[SPEAKER_00]: With everybody watching with the camera guy with the like Clint Eastwood will be like, all right, like the first take.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then hey, can we dig deep?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that you did fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're moving on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I'm sure there's so many different philosophies as far as approaching that goes, but it to me it made sense and it and it has a lot to do with And I think anyway of what you ran it to because you literally had zero reps Yeah, doing that up He's in mind reps. Yeah, but not one single Actual rep and I got jammed up in that moment and like
[SPEAKER_00]: Pushed I just just teabed it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like literally like me watching a snowboarding tutorial a million times Never been on the slopes a million times.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I know exactly what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when to do it I know I'm I got this down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go on there and of course I'm gonna fall down a little bit Seems like I might have some good technique In principle But it's a little bit there's that that experience for that nuanced experience that needs to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: So what should I so they did they call you back?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, we did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the next one I was good to go and then it was just hey, you know, what do you want to what what's tank?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want on it?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is that yeah?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you where you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you like kind of surprised were you like dang I thought I suck more than I thought I would no I was I knew exactly what happened Yeah, I said oh you didn't move your lips and skip the words up you just thought you could do it because you would all the time And now you try to do it and it would and it took let's say it let's say
[SPEAKER_00]: If the line was any military leader will readily support practice of unit rehearsals before an operation, it'd be like this, like my time to send the line is now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any military leader will readily support the practice of unit rehearsals before an operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like just clunky.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like a throw away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't lock up where they're like, okay, hey, did you, you know, like, because you don't want to be that guy, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying, you don't want to be that guy that just doesn't know what you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't prepare, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's unprofessional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be professional offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't a total drop of the ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I kind of fumbled it for a second, grab it and like, you know, to went down immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still caught it, but it didn't look great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we rehearse is what I'm saying the role play comes to mind like you know you guys like they do a role player whatever just how beneficial that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So beneficial and what they're saying is rehearse mentally, hey if stuff starts getting stressful oh I'm in a high port I'm going to relax I'm going to take a breath I'm going to look around like that right there say that out loud and then relax look around
[SPEAKER_00]: And the desert, relax, look around, make a call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fall these instructions, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the dock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Infuse emotional stability and control into the organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leaders must discover ways to control their application of emotional energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their behavior is a compass for the unit and indicator of what stress is allowable and appropriate for the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they're looking at you as the leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first actions after a significant event like an attack with an improvised explosive device, device, set the unit's tone for the engagement, as General George S. Patent Council's leaders are always on parade.
[SPEAKER_00]: an uncontrolled yell, a high-pitched radio call, or even a worrisome look can transmit stress and doubt to the unit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conversely, leaders with composure and confidence, despite stressful circumstances will infuse those traits into the unit, commanders should be deliberate and concise, leaders should objectively verify emerging information to avoid overreacting or acting too hastily.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, these are great, you know, this is stuff I've been saying for years, and it's just a great angle on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you mind repeating that part where he said leaders or somebody's always on the parade?
[SPEAKER_00]: George S. Pat and the said leaders are always on parade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of like everyone's always kind of watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're watching you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're watching you for 100 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you freak out, everyone's going to freak out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you write how bad that one kind of goes deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like, you know how I think it might have been you, I don't know, it doesn't matter who to, but it was like, yeah, once you kind of let your uniform slack or a certain thing slack, just for your own personal self, people will like start to be like, oh, I guess we can kind of do that, you know, that's true, but this isn't even more acute moment, which is if you see me panicking, yeah, yeah, you're gonna panicking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you see me acting calm, you're like, oh, okay, work on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way that's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing with your family too.
[SPEAKER_00]: When your kid falls down and scrapes his knee,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you go, oh my gosh, are you okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: The kid's not gonna be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you go, do that was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Try it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: The kid's gonna be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So always don't parade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always don't parade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Neuroscience research reveals that there are methods leaders can use to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: noted author Malcolm Gladwell describes deliberate emotion in blink.
[SPEAKER_00]: We take it as a given that we experience that first we experience an emotion and then we may or may not express that emotion in our face.
[SPEAKER_00]: We think of the face as the residue of the emotion, the process works in the opposite direction as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can force your emotions through your facial expression.
[SPEAKER_00]: A motion can also start in the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: An equal partner, it is an equal partner in the emotional process.
[SPEAKER_00]: A German psychology experiment revealed that people who were...
[SPEAKER_00]: physically made to smile by holding a pen, clenched in their teeth, rated cartoons as funnier than people who watched the same cartoons while holding the pen in their lips, which prevented smiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Facial expressions are not just a representation of emotions, they can direct emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leaders can physically incite a more positive
[SPEAKER_00]: relaxed emotional response in their bodies by intentionally forming a relaxed facial expression during combat events.
[SPEAKER_00]: This demeanor will also cue similar responses in the soldiers around them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to, you have to impose your emotions on yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: have a linking thing as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is freaking for 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I've been talking a little something called normal face.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I used to play this game with my own children to get them to not give away their emotions, in stressful situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you make a face, if you break, you get smacked in the head with the cardboard roller from inside the Christmas wrapping paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it'd be funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the kids would be trying not to laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that translates to everything that you're doing because, man, if you give away your emotions, you bossies that you're mad, your team sees that you're frustrated, bro, it's going to spread.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to cause problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Normal face all day.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'd notice this in back to acting for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you watch a few other movies, if the actor let's say that is the experience, and they're trying to deliver some like deep, like dope, like freaking line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, but then they're blinking a little bit too much, just like it doesn't land as much versus like, you know, these real intense actors, like a, you know, Daniel day Louis, like Tom Cruise or something like this, and they're like going hard on some like moon log to somebody, but they don't blink at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's Brad land super hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you built or on the other side if they want to imply like stress or worry They won't put stress and worry all over their theatrics.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll just like start blinking a little bit more And I'll be like, brother, I freaking sells it like you feel it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then close up just from the blinking or no blinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go
[SPEAKER_00]: Next section created an effective decision making environment regardless of when it rank even in the midst of intense combat leaders must create an environment that is conducive to making cognitive, not emotional decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can start creating this environment but physically and emotionally disengaging from the immediate fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say this a thousand times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to high port.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come off the skirmish line.
[SPEAKER_00]: This may mean finding sufficient cover for local command posts.
[SPEAKER_00]: A company commander seldom belongs in the hat of his vehicle or exposed to the streets scanning for targets like a riflemen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, desperate times will call for every gun to be in the fight, but only a handful of commanders will ever face the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The goal is for every leader to mentally zoom out from his personal tactical situation and take a more macro level view of the battle, preparing his brain to handle the impending cognitive challenges.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's not just in combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're in that meeting, and I'm going to start getting wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just ease your chair back, push away from the table, shut your mouth and listen to what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get involved and don't get on your gun, which is your mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't start firing your mouth off.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, listen, assess.
[SPEAKER_00]: The commander should use his space from the battle to focus on what he is trained to do, assess and analyze what is occurred, recognize friendly forces, vulnerabilities,
[SPEAKER_00]: predict what the enemy will do next, decide on feasible course of action, communicate the plan to the unit and apply the appropriate leadership skills to inspire the unit to accomplish the mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: The specifics of these steps can include conducting rapid terrain analysis and land navigation using complex digital systems, calling for more to artillery or aircraft fires, establishing HAC and it gives a whole list of things that you got to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are highly cognitive and requires steady-mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: A leader needs to find a suitable environment where he can generate new ideas, new insights for each unique tactical situation encountered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Battle drills are of course an effective method units used to survive the first moments of event, but the leaders must think beyond the battle drill and formulate innovative ways to beat the enemy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you hear me talking at the master, I'm like, oh, what's the first thing I did?
[SPEAKER_00]: Get on, take cover, return fire, and then immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get off the gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look around.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a whole team that's shooting.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to look around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make a call.
[SPEAKER_00]: As neuroscientist Jonah Layer explains in how we decide, this is where prefrontal cortex really demonstrates its unique strengths.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the only brain region able to take an abstract principle and apply it in an unfamiliar context to come up with something entirely original for a solution.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got a model for cognitive battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: In your brain at work, David Rock explains that the mental processes relevant to performing work are understanding, recalling, deciding, memorizing, and inhibiting.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the things that are, you know, what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Understanding, following the initial shock of an attack, understanding involves how we leader creates maps in the prefrontal cortex that represent new incoming information and connects these maps to existing maps in the rest of his brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could look at it terrain, you look at the enemy, that initiated the attack, you got pertinent data, you got the population considerations, you got maneuverability, requirements, you got restrictions, and friendly force disposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all the things that you're mapping out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then recalling, in battle recalling is a process of comparing existing situation with the database of stored knowledge in the long-term memory of networks.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the lessons that you've learned.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the instructions that you've received.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the experiences that you've had.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are doctrines that you've looked at.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are lessons learned that you've gone through.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where perhaps a little phrase or a piece of advice comes into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let cover and move or take the high ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or keep it simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up is it's deciding a combat leader's brain engages in the deciding process when it chooses which recalled information will be most useful and applies it to real-time in the world to build a new mental map.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're making the decision and then memorizing this was one that I didn't really expect the other one to make sense, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: David Rock describes a memorizing as holding maps in attention in the prefrontal cortex long enough to embed them in long-term memory, research shows that is impossible for our brains to simultaneously hold multiple complex concepts in working memory without degrading accuracy.
[SPEAKER_00]: For leaders in battle memorizing is also in the internalization of a plan, focusing on the concept of an operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: planned or hasty creates familiarity that allows execution without redundant analysis or reference to written notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and what that boils down, those are kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first deployment to Iraq, we were always going to a different like AL, like airy vaporizations, they were bad guy, but bad guys, huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say bad dad was like nine times bigger than Ramadi.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you'd be going to a neighborhood you've never seen it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do a decent job of getting familiar with the battle map going in there, but not as good as we, like once you're in your body for four months, you're just like, I know where this is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just makes you better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if I went back in time, I would do a little bit more memorization of the battle maps.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I would memorize would be like phase lines or the approach to the building or follow on targets like I would have chunks of it so that then it then I understand it makes sense like you don't want to have to be like hey we're moving to phase line be bravo and be like hold on let me pull up my map and figure out exactly what it is oh no there's the there's the building with the fence by it that's phase on bravo cool so that makes sense and it gives you phase line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, uh, it's an area of an operation that you designate, for instance, uh, hey, when we reach this, when we've got all our forces assembled, we're at the, at this phase line, at this location, we're at phase line alpha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we've pushed through the target, the target secure, we're at phase line bravo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just the way of describing kind of the, kind of the flow of an operation chronologically, but it's also physical.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like a little designation of an understood area.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next one, the last one is inhibiting inhibiting is the practice of selective focus when one actively tries not to engage certain mental maps because they're irrelevant or counterproductive.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call that prioritize next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the red light when they press record on a camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to suppress that, suppress that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also prioritized actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like these things don't matter right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: These nine things are ready to don't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: What matters is these two things right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So inhibiting is practice of selective focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is prioritized next year, all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: The leader must, and he talks about some of the things that we got to suppress, must suppress his learned tendencies, realign his mental perspective, and develop new neural connections that will help him properly, frame, and respond to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this author adds personalizing to these, I add personalizing, which is which can apply to every moment of a leader's day.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the application of a leadership principles and personality attributes that will guide
[SPEAKER_00]: Personalizing is the leader's conscious effort to prevent external influences from altering the foundation of character and leadership that he is consistently developed and that is subordinates have learned to expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then it talks about training for the emotional, emotionally stable fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Training for combat is about changing the brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Decades of neuroscience, and by the way, what's cool, I've got to see this over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to see young seal leaders when they're going through training, be caught up in the emotions and learn how to detach and start to be able to make really good decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is something that you can do, you can change your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: decades of neuroscience research have firmly shown that the brain is highly adaptable and that repeated activities designed to create specific behaviors, like combat training, literally change the cellular structure and strength of connections between neurons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can actually change these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can start to get some control over how much time you spend in the gray slop.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the rightful and level training teaches soldiers to respond reflexively to situations that demand spontaneous condition response, such as engaging an enemy fighter at close range and like mag changes, and ready up drills.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the same behavioral process that professional athletes apply to develop the fine-tuned motor skills needed in competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: This learning process also applies to activities that demand higher cognitive abilities such as detailed planning for a combat operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: or reacting to a complex attack, a way to train this capability would be construct an exercise that requires leaders to undergo physical or fear and do stress and then perform deliberate time constraint planning for an ambiguous situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you get better at these things, and again, I just said that you see this, then you've heard me talk about this before, in the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: they want to get you used to being afraid so what do you do to get used to being afraid well guess what I did the first thing I did was climb over the low wall climb over the low wall it's only like 12 feet you climb over it you kind of dangle and you the next obstacle two obstacles away the cargo net the cargo net is like 50 feet up
[SPEAKER_00]: you got to climb to the top of it when you get to the top of you got to climb over it and at a certain point you got to kind of like just let go and get to the other side if you're scared of heights you're not going to be able to do it and even if you're not scared of heights you got to overcome or what doesn't matter you got to go do it right you got to suppress that feeling and then by the way a little further on the obstacle course
[SPEAKER_00]: is the slide for life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're up three stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to dangle off the edge and slide down a rope.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't, if you're afraid, it's going to be a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the slide for life.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said you're going to dangle on a rope.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you just slide down a rope?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's at an angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a zip line, but you're using your hands as the zip.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can pull yourself down like hand over hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're You're a client of a stop style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you get to a certain point in buds, they let you like slide down on your stomach But when you when they first make you do it, you're like hanging underneath the rope like your legs are wrapped around the rope and you're pulling yourself How do you slide down on your stomach if you're on a
[SPEAKER_00]: Just go look up commando style, slide for life, and you'll see somebody doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I think they even call it Australia style.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but eventually you get done with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guess what you're doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Repelling off the tower, and then you're repulling out of a helicopter, and then you're fast-ropping out of a helicopter, and then you're parachuting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're first parachuting a static line, and then eventually you're free falling, and then you're free falling from high altitude with an oxygen and a rucksack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Each one of those things levels up the amount of fear induced situation and then they do the same thing with shooting like the first time you're shooting on a static range, and then the next thing you're shooting on a static range with a little bit of movement and then eventually you're doing live fire immediate action drills in the middle of desert with rockets and grenades going off.
[SPEAKER_00]: appreciation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the weird thing is when you're parachuting, it doesn't feel like heights.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel, I don't know at the end of the day, but it feels like if I feel like that's kind of one of the little tests.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been more I've been more aware of the height when I was on a building or on a rooftop than I was ever aware of the height when you're
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm with you the same deal where it's if I climbed up there I don't get afraid of heights at all if I like you know like a big car going to add or something like this Um the only time I'm like quote unquote aware well, I'm like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're a let's say a hotel or something you're on on a top floor and then they just allow you out on the balcony And I'm like, bro, this there is very little barrier given how far down that is You seem saying like someone could like fall over this balcony just freaking fall this old
[SPEAKER_02]: like an airplane or or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like there's too much of a disconnect to understand that you're high up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just seem like you're just sort of in a different world.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't see them for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like that's kind of the litmus test where if it's like if people have this like oh like they kind of have this panic mode when they're like way up in the air I feel like breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt from here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not in touch with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: continuing on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Units should structure training to present multiple streams of information and detectable patterns of enemy activity that will teach leaders what to look for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we're doing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Putting people in situations where they're going to start going away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it doesn't really matter that there's this is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: What matters is that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we used to tell you guys, if there was no shooting, like the enemy starts shooting, stop shooting at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your instinct can't be, oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your instinct has to be
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the kind of thing you can train people to pay attention to.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the individual level, leaders should develop personal cognitive battle drills that better prepare them for mental challenges of combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: They should rehearse exactly what words they will use to report initial contact and what guidance they use anticipating issuing in the opening moments of a battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: These drills create neural circuitry that is familiar to the brain when the actual event
[SPEAKER_00]: Leadership position themselves on the battlefield to facilitate their cognitive responsibilities despite mission terrain or movement technique leaders must discern what position allows them to survey all aspects of the fight as much as possible they should directly observe their soldiers and get information real time without compromising their ability to keep a macro view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conversely, soldiers expect to see their leaders at the proverbial front and cannot respect leaders who are never among them, finding this balance is part of what makes command and art.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, all leaders have a responsibility to build a database of professional knowledge that will assist them in creating insight during stressful situations they do this by studying doctrine, seeking instruction from mentors, being self-critical about performance, recording new ideas, participating in thought exercises, discussing related concepts with peers,
[SPEAKER_00]: and reading professional works, you got to know history, you got to have tactical options, you got to have your personal experience, and if you have those things you will be able to find creative answers on the battlefield because sometimes the answer is not in doctrine.
[SPEAKER_00]: the concept of brain-based combat leadership deserves attention to both military and professional development courses and unit-level education training programs teaching leaders what they will physically experience will better prepare them to maintain emotional stability and effectively lead others during combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a bunch of recommendations for the army in here and then here's the conclusion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Combat involves a wide range of events, dangers.
[SPEAKER_00]: and sensory imports that can easily overwhelm the unprepared mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first job of every soldier, regardless of rank, is to maintain his composure and react reflexively to the threat as required.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leaders, however, must go beyond the conditioned response to combat that we train on the live fire range.
[SPEAKER_00]: They must zoom out!
[SPEAKER_00]: right detach and adopt a macro level view of the battle quickly analyze events occurring decide on the appropriate response coordinate complex systems and apply the appropriate leadership skills to accomplish the mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: These brain functions are among the most sophisticated processes that we humans can perform leaders who do not protect their own cognitive function during combat will find themselves short of the biological resources necessary to win, meaning glucose to your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: and place themselves and others at risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this sense, knowing how to think could be a combat leader's most valuable tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what that whole article was about was trying to get leaders, trying to teach leaders to detach from the monkey brain and use your brain to think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not be driven by your instincts, but driven by logic and reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's where I'm going to give some additional information that is slightly contrary, it's not contrary, but you have to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something I've always said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Detachment doesn't mean that you become void of emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, emotions have to be part of the calculus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your emotions, your teams emotions, your bosses emotions, all emotions need to be taken into account.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this does not mean that they drive our decision-making process, but they have to play a role they have to be in the calculus.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be the driver.
[SPEAKER_00]: right here's my metaphor we heard about a cherry at we heard about this we have to have the steering wheel we have to have the brakes we have to have the gas we have to know when is it the good time to add more emotion because sometimes we need to add more emotion to the situation
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever had a situation where someone's not getting it, like cornering someone in MMA, and they're losing two rounds, and they have one more round left, and they go, let's think the flight's going okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might need to, you might need to press the gas on the emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You also might need to take some of that emotion away.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in yourself, you might need to know when it's time to turn on the emotion, when it's time to pull some back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might need to know what you need to control.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it's time to follow your instinct and when it's time to say, hold on, I need to pay attention to the logic here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That should be our goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our goal should be to have the steering.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have the brakes, have the gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one will need to push, no one will need to pull back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And learn how to drive and manage and modulate your emotions and your ego and your reason and your logic and utilize all those different inputs to create decisions and solutions and create actions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course you can't do any of this, if you can't detach it, you'll never figure out anything that I'm talking about, if you are in the gray slope, you won't ever see it, you won't even know what I'm talking about right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't abandon emotions and ego and passion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just stay in touch with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to connect it to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't be controlled by them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is very, very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also very, very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: T. E. Lawrence Lawrence of Arabia famous British guy archaeologist he's a military officer he became famous during the era of Revol in 1916 and 1918 against the Ottoman Empire and he had a a quote in his book The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
[SPEAKER_00]: Nine tenths of tactics are certain and taught in books, but the irrational tenth is like the king-fisher flashing across a pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a, that is the test of generals.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a guy on Twitter X named Infantry Dort, which had a lot of good information he had this quote up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point of this quote is,
[SPEAKER_00]: this that you can learn nine tenths of being a combat leader you can learn from the books you can learn from the schoolhouse you can learn on the drill field like there's all nine tenths of you can have it all dialed in but there's a tenth of it because of the irrational tenth which is like
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't teach it to somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, to teach, Lawrence does say you can get better at it, but it's very, very difficult to teach, but it's not only applicable to the military, it's applicable, like you hear about it in sports, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: In sports, I think you can correct me on this, you're more of a sports guy than I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: You hear people describing athletes that have certain intangibles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They, hey, they're, they got this capability.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got this much talent, but they have intangibles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Michael Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he the tallest guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, but what did he have?
[SPEAKER_00]: He had something that we all have a hard time naming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people will try and name it court sense like even court sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a thing like were you gonna name that like is that it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you just can I teach you court sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can give you some you get familiar with the game, but there's some people that have another level of it Tom Brady the famous videos of Tom Brady at the combine Look in week, you know slow But what if he had he had some intangibles
[SPEAKER_00]: Muhammad Ali, Lionel, Messy, Dion Sanders, these people handsome, and MMA, we see it, right, John Jones, Johnny Bones, Jones, what is he doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's doing, like, okay, we all know Moetai, we all know wrestling, we all know Jiu Jitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all know boxing, but all of a sudden he's doing something else, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's taking all those things and mixing in a way that we go away.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one taught him that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Coach Jackson would say like when all he'd never suddenly do that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just did it there in the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fade or a million echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does he put together?
[SPEAKER_00]: How does he, how is he winning fights?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hicks and Gracie, Marcelo Garcia and the Gigi to world like what?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have these intangibles.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have these irrational tents that it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get them from the gym.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Hollywood, you get the same thing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The people, and Hollywood, what do they call it?
[SPEAKER_00]: They call it it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, and they call it the it factor, just it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marilyn Monroe, uh, Marlon Brando, Denzel Washington, right, Al Pacino, Chris Pratt, Chris Pratt, bro, you hang out with Chris Pratt and you go, oh, yeah, you're like, okay, there's a reason that he's Chris Pratt.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got something.
[SPEAKER_00]: They call it it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They call it the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't really know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was first going to meet Chris Pratt, I was going to a UFC fight with Jack Carr.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were flying from LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as my first time meeting a real famous like Hollywood person, I was kinda like, oh, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet this guy's gonna be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, in America team America world police, you know, they kind of portrayed mad name and like, they kind of just dumb or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of thought, you know, I don't know enough about Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, look, that must be the real assessment of these Hollywood people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I've, you know, I've seen Chris Pratt and stuff, but I thought, you know, whatever, like he's going to be kind of like that character that they put forward in a team of, team of America, one of police, and then you meet him and you spend like five minutes around him and you go, oh, okay, okay, I get it, they're the reason that he's, do it, but no one, he didn't learn that in acting school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think he went to acting school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, he didn't go he didn't I don't think he was in the school plays and had the the drama teacher like saying no You need to give a little bit more furrow in your brow or be a little bit quicker on your comeback like I don't know none of that But there's something there
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get like rock musicians, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ozzy, of course, Elvis, Hendrix, Prince, like, you know, these are people that they just have some thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, not just singers, but
[SPEAKER_00]: You people that are people that can play an instrument if you go down to guitar center and you put up Hey, I'm hiring a guitarist.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a guitarist that can play Led Zeppelin black Sabbath tool which is hard to sell and rush which is hard to sell Profitantly call this number.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get
[SPEAKER_00]: ten phone calls, and they'll be able to do it too, and one of the guys is like a waiter, one of the guys will be a construction worker, one of the guys will be a whatever, because they, they're really good at their instrument, but they don't have that little thing that Kurt Cobain had, which is take four chords and turn it into like a crazy whole album.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is this unquanifiable kind of 10th or intangible irrational 10th.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I think is especially from the leadership perspective, that thing is the connection back to the grace law.
[SPEAKER_00]: the connection back to the gray slop which is the ability to connect with someone emotionally connect to that animal instinct communicate with that like you ever even what you're just talking about you see someone talking and they're getting people fired up they're not talking to their logical you never heard someone say I want to go to the statistics right now like they know that's not that's not a fired up speech the fired up speech doesn't appeal to that
[SPEAKER_00]: what it does when someone has this ability, when they have that connection back to their emotional gray slop, and they can modulate it properly.
[SPEAKER_00]: they can utilize it to write a great song to lead people to improvise a martial arts move like they're to get when they get done, Connor McGregor gets a hold of the microphone and everyone goes nuts because he's gonna connect in a way that someone else that doesn't
[SPEAKER_00]: Or to not get where they want to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, sometimes some people can tap into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they, but it's too much, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the entertainment business, you end up with Kurt Cobain.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Jim Morrison.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Janice Joplin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Amy Whitehouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Sid Vistus.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Jim Balousey.
[SPEAKER_00]: You end up with Heath Ledger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like these people are people that would tap back in,
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's one of these things, you've got to control it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to tap into it, but if you don't have control over it, it'll, and by the way, this happens with leaders too, like leaders that lose their minds, when you have a leader, that's in charge of an organization, and they lose their minds.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to use that tap into their emotions and their ego to drive things and make things happen But at a certain point it takes over and they lose their mind They they're they're they're prefrontal cortex just shuts down and now their ego's running the show and it's a disaster.com So that's why you got to you got to know how to win to hit the brakes You got to know when it gased you got to steer it in the right direction
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can, if you have the rationalization, you have the discipline to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the discipline to go, oh, it's all right, second.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is about to be an egotistical decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, when I stood up in front of the company, I said, we're going to go into this market, nothing's going to stop us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was tapping into my ego and tapping into my emotion and connecting with other people's emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they all want to win and I want to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's going to do better for our survival in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to tap into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then two months later, when it's like, hey, we got a decision to make on a if we're going to continue to expand this money on this marketing campaign that hasn't done well.
[SPEAKER_00]: My ego might be saying, I know it's going to work, but it's not a good move and you got to be able to, we got to be able to decipher.
[SPEAKER_00]: and utilize the proper area of your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to be the person that's controlling it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't let your emotions make decisions, but you can't leave them out of the decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you've got to press the gas on your emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you've got to press the gas on your ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever seem to have an MMA fighter as they're getting closer and closer to the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They start either ego starts growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it grows too early, they stop training.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it grows too late, they're not ready for the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They doubt themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have got to figure out how to modulate these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to figure out how we modulate these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: When someone can do that, that's a rare person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's gonna be the person that rises to the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, we're not counting on that over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doc was not over here just counting on all the doing it right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just trying to do better.
[SPEAKER_00]: we're just trying to do better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in order to do better, in my opinion, we truly have to learn first of all to detach from that gray slop that animal instinct, which, by the way, drives so much in our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, the workout that you didn't do,
[SPEAKER_00]: Grayslop.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's animal instincts telling you you're tired telling you don't need to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The donut that you ate immediately gratification dopamine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dopamine dopamine dopamine dopamine dopamine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Grayslop is if we're not out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're in it, we're not doing the right thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happens, letting our stupid animal instincts make decisions about our long-term lives, or without considering our long-term lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cannot allow this, we have to get control, we have to detach, we have to elevate above the gray slope, we have to take control of our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when needed, we artfully utilize the emotion and the ego and the passion, like a, you know, it's like a little, like a little fuel, little nuclear reactor, it's real, like it's burning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those things are burning.
[SPEAKER_00]: but you can't let that fire get out of control.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a meltdown in a nuclear facility.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to keep it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to know when to put the carbon rods into the reactor to cool it down sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't let it just run out of control or you can have a meltdown, which is terms that people use about someone having a freaking meltdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: They let their emotion, they let their ego, they let their passion get out of control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Set them on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can control that, if you can contain that energy and utilize it properly, you're going to have a win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can do that, it is going to elevate every aspect of your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got for today.
[SPEAKER_00]: So pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The chimpanzee mind is strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: everything, you know that it factor whatever and I feel like, and I was kind of going deep as you're explaining, I was like, probably that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the ability, and you said something actually which was spot on a little bit later, you said, artfully, artfully like, you know, take from the gray part, the gray slot, and then you know, kind of interchange them and whatever to create this kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it feels like this is like with five minutes of thinking, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: But the it factor that you know that intangible that what is it the 10% the something 10% if the a rational 10th yeah the a rational tenth I think it has to do with some kind of lack of restraint or boundary
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever that looks like, you know, like, um, I think in acting, they call it like self, self-consciousness.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to let go of the self-consciousness, you know, and I think, and even in sports, right, where you like you doubt, you're like any competition, you have a healthy level of doubt for yourself, you know, kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then if you can Some people have it just naturally where they're like I don't follow those rules like even all the way down to their subconscious Like they don't follow your etiquette like Brad doesn't apply to me, you know kind of a thing So like okay, remember the okay this MMA guy he was He was a black guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say he would like he'd do weird crazy stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Ed 9 mil
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a different guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't I don't think we know him personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a he's my younger brother's favorite guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he had like silver teeth maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bennett, Charles Bennett.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he isn't wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he had this very specific thing where he wasn't like, he was the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as his style goes, it wasn't this highly disciplined.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, think GSP, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you, if GSP comes out to win this fight, you're like, bro, this guy's game is just tight.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, like he's making all the right moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you, you're even more right than you know, you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: UFC on the same card, GSB fighting, you could see like cutting weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd see him cutting weight like a, like a machine machine, just a machine, just like, you know, checking weight, like no big deal, like no expression on this face, you know, just just so disciplined and professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: like clockwork, like clockwork.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even his fights, like the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know which fight was really like this guy came to like 100% win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like no risk, no this and that like this was like it, it's almost like, hey, if you're going to increase the probability of you winning, but to 100% you have to do all the right things to zero risk and do the right things and finish the fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how you'd fight, you know, it was his rematch against Matt Sarah when he lost some at Sarah that second one It was like, bro, this guy's not losing there's no way he's gonna lose so anyway, it was so calculated and so tight Versus crazy horse Bennett.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bro the exact offensive, but thank you motherfucker still still wanted some time That's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying by the way, he connected emotionally with so many people who's a fan favor Right, he's a fan favorite
[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't modulate it enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, it didn't only apply to in the cage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was also like, what was his lifestyle like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was this a guy that was, like, on the mat's training?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he was like, not on the mat's.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was obviously a very gifted guy, and he trained, but like, that next level of discipline,
[SPEAKER_00]: There was more emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was more crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why his little nickname was crazy horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe his unintentional tense was like a irrational 30 or something like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for it was it was bigger than it maybe should have been as far as ideal, but as far as identifying that thing, he had a lot of that thing where he was like, he didn't have boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have internal boundaries like, hey, maybe I should have not.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was sending it all just full sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what we're doing this what I'm doing, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't like I'm gonna timidly send it.
[SPEAKER_00]: guys they'll timidly send Jeremy Stevens another like he he was losing a fight you know and I was in his corner and I had to I had to go emotional with him and get him emotional and due to he got emotional because he's an emotional dude you know and dude he tapped into that emotional and freaking
[SPEAKER_00]: He almost murdered the guy, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just KO to a brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was one of those things where his, he needed to tap into that at that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a positive thing to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like you're saying, like GSP, like there was no, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we could find a fight where we had to get into some like emotional level, but a lot of times GSP was just a machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's same with like fatal or a million ankle.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did you ever see an expression on his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was not fighting with any type of emotion at all and that kind of became his Made him so popular, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like like like just like a Terminator, but yes, this this thing is Being able to figure out how much of this fire you're gonna let out and when you're gonna let it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and how you're gonna let it out
[SPEAKER_02]: the guys who just like I said can put it together perfectly, because it has to be the perfect combination and then the perfect like back and forth with all the training, discipline, competitiveness, self confidence, like all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of it, that lack of restraint where you can be like, oh, I'm not going to follow the protocol.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to step outside of the protocol for this one, in some saying, so Michael Jordan, I saw that we're the best one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I can think of the top of my head as John Jones, because he finished fights with a spinning elbow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like how you said, uh, who was it, Coach Jackson, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I never seen him do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he has been, he's so creative, like, minded with everything within the confines of his discipline, for sure, where he'd be like, oh, no, I can send this and make it work.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have that constraint that I would have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I'm like, I've never practiced that spinning elbow, but I'm not going to try in a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is an interesting thing because I was, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in the publishing world right now, there's a lot of AI being published and one of the things about publishing or one of the things about humans is humans have an irrational tenth right and I don't know that they can successfully put the irrational tenth into a AI.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas AI is going to take AI is predictable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put in the input.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going off of it's going to be here's the story Here's the thing because it's based on other things that I've existed before, but a human Is going to hopefully have this irrational 10% the it
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes a writer right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was talking to my literary age in a long time ago, and she's really smart, studied at an Ivy League college, studied history and literature.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one day I was like, you know, like, why are you a literary agent and not not like a writer?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, you know, I look at a paper and I don't really have anything to write about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And which is weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because for me, I have like all kinds of like ridiculous ideas that I need to figure out which one I'm going to invest in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a similar thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that that we're, I think,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just weren't recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where we're so well, we're, we're, we'll talk about like, you know, creative people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, there's all different kinds of creative, I get it, but like, you know, a lot of these people who we regard as like highly creative, they have this, this weird past, you know, where they've been through something, whether it be traumatic or just super dynamic in one way or another, that they can kind of drop on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which and whether they know it or not and I think that that's the struggle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that AI is gonna have our hard time like replicating I've whatever with enough time who knows, but it's hard to replicate like
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone's actual, but yeah, okay, so AI will play a video, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I make an AI video and say, hey, do this, make him feel this and they'll do it, and they did it, but I'm like, I wouldn't really look like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't really feel like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You seem saying you're doing it too perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you really think, yeah, predictably exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you really went through it, oh, you would know.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's little details of someone in a, like, if someone's telling a story about like their friend and be like, you're talking about yourself right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see I'm saying, because you know, like there's something that kind of comes with it that is like so like inherently human that it's like you you can't just replicate it I can't describe it, but once you experience it, you're like, okay, and it's like it's hard to like predictably recreate it out of nothing or imagination, you know, trying to gotta do it well it's kind of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we hit record, we know what is in an amoeba.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know all the components that are in an amoeba.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can put all those in a little dish and stir them together, but it doesn't come to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: They take some other elements, and so the idea, like everything that you can put all these things into the AI dish, but like there's something that, like you said, like there's
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, you're kind of like, well, it's not quite that, they, it's not quite there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you got to tap, you got to be able to tap into it appropriately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't have a problem with this, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think, most people have a problem with their two emotional, their letting their ego and all these emotions and everything run the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, if you can detach more, I think people that detach properly, they find a way to better...
[SPEAKER_00]: Recognize the power of that emotion and funnel it and get it to a right spot where it can be utilized properly Now look The you know like crazy artists right that burn in and they they better to burn out and fade away right that's like these people are crazy And when they get enough success they kind of they can kind of carry on But a lot of the like how many people you know
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about Jeff Lang, the kid I grew up with, who was smarter than me, in the book final spin, I kind of dedicated the book final spin to my friend Jeff Lang, who was smarter than me, funnier than me, better athlete than me, like just a creative, just a spark, just like fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he killed himself when he was 19 years old, and you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: was that fire was just burning so it was too much right and sometimes you know how many people are like that and doesn't necessarily mean they have to kill themselves but you know they their fire wouldn't allow them to be in a band it wouldn't allow them to even practice their instrument it wouldn't allow them to to sit down in front of a video thing and learn how to edit the stuff they got too much of it
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just doesn't like it can't like what you know Ozzy Osbourne like Ozzy Osbourne He was like a like it just like this intense creative energy and Luckily like he got into black Sabbath and and became like but if he if that wouldn't happen to him If he wouldn't have found those guys if he wouldn't have found Bill Ward and Tony I mean he's probably if they wouldn't have if that wouldn't have happened where would he be I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: I can guarantee you he wouldn't, we wouldn't know who he is, you know, he might have done a band here or whatever, but like you got to get in that moment and have the right ingredients and then you got to get a little bit of luck and you got to survive it, like the fact that Aussie lived so long, like why didn't he die when he was, you know, 23 years old, all the drunk fall into a track like there's so many that fire is going to burn bright and occasionally people can survive with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of times, and they can be successful with it, but a lot of times that fire ends up with people in jail, with people committing crimes, with people ODING, with people just ruining their lives, the fire in the emotion and the ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, we can say the same thing about ego, like what ego drives a person to achieve things, but then when it goes out of control, all of a sudden, there,
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically money and they're doing all this, you know, they're doing terrible things because their ego can't be shut down that fires just too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't control it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know how they never learn to modulate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's actually a lot of the musical that it makes sense to Jim Kerry went through a version of this where So they have this well, we'll just call it for lack of a fire, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was as a fire this fire inside of on many goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes crazy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we'll say, uh, I was the one kind of and then, you know, he finds music or he gets in a music early on, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's something about like music
[SPEAKER_02]: And it may be out imagine just performing for the world, you know, like, but truly performing not being performing it, but like truly doing your art as a performer for the people and they're just loving it, there's something about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in music, let's face it, like, I don't even really play music and, well, listen to music and be like, man, this is like, it's in a way there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say you know why because they whoever that musician was they tapped into that emotion They pulled it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put it they recorded it and now when you hear it does the same thing to you Yeah, but they had to have the discipline and the control to make that Happened now look occasionally you get a band that just takes they have that one member This is why like the lead singer dies the whatever the guitarist kills himself like crazy stuff happens
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like we've had incredible musicians that they like Chris Cornell like from Soundgarden Here's this guy is at the top of a game 50 years old or whatever iconic
[SPEAKER_00]: But that fire caught up and killed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, sorry, I cut you off.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, the reason that you echo Charles, it doesn't know how to play an instrument, you know, doesn't collect records, but you will hear a song and go to hang dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one hits.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a collection of songs that, and my kids will tease me about this, where like, my finest song that I really like, I'll just play it over and over and over until I just don't like it anymore, or don't like it as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, and I remember thinking myself, I think I think there's something wrong with me in that way, where
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't like all music.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, people are music lovers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a music lover, but I like certain songs, like just still right now kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, maybe there's plenty of people like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now consider that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I think music has a way to affect people in that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people, I think across the board, that's the way music works mostly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you're a person with all this fire in you and you get to not only
[SPEAKER_02]: consume that, but you get to harness it and create it in, you know, and that fire is just driving it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now it's this, like you're almost like this lightning rod of fire and creativity, and then the medium is music that just affects and you know it's affecting themselves too, as you're saying, because it's coming, let's face it, but a good song comes on that you really know, but you're seeing it, like if you're learning a car, whatever, but you're singing it, like you're singing it, and it feels like you're actually singing it, as you're saying,
[SPEAKER_02]: Now go one step further as you are the person really seeing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's like product and drive you crazy, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the same, especially if it's like if it's literally coming from you, it's like, bruh, it's too much power sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then not to mention all the fame and all this other stuff discombobulating your whole freaking mind and life, it's just the same, so it kind of makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know what that, that's how you end up, I think, with that fire, just...
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting rewarded for that fire, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting rewarded so they need just unleash it and boom, if you're not careful I'm gonna get you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Carrey said he got to the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm paraphrasing that he didn't even know who he like was Because it's kind of like, you know, he started off with I just want to make the people around me laugh and happy
[SPEAKER_02]: So he starts doing this and he likes doing it and it's working so he takes it to the next level And he's, you know, his creative mind is like doing this and it's the next level and everyone just wants that Jim Carrey making them Happy and laugh then he's like wait a second if I'm not doing that like who am I?
[SPEAKER_02]: He focused so hard core on it that he said like he didn't even know who he was anymore kind and I was like oh, I could I could see it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just getting, getting, not only are you unleashing the fire, but everyone else is just throwing gas on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what we got.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, when we do that, when we impose discipline into our lives, which by the way, you know, when we crank up the music, when we're working out, you work out, can legitimately go better.
[SPEAKER_00]: That can happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you're tapping into your emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes when you let the emotion be hey, I feel like sleeping in today, echo Charles,
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, hey, sometimes we need a little bit more rest not trying to call you out, but no, I'm calling you out But I don't know you know, I'm saying why because the emotion was I'm tired the emotion was I feel sore But I mean and you let it win you didn't impose Logic knowing that a good workout before you came in here would have been better
[SPEAKER_02]: I went for a run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hey, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're on the path, you're training.
[SPEAKER_00]: You left the individual Jitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can need fuel.
[SPEAKER_00]: We recommend Jockel Fuel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check out Jockel Fuel.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have we got protein by this protein, the best protein, the tasty is protein.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got, is it sink out of my order today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get some of that, watch out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's my mom's birthday today, two by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got hydration, we got energy, we got supplementation, we got time more, super krill, joint warfare, one of our best products.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the people that subscribe, like myself, subscription, to joint warfare, you know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have years of subscription,
[SPEAKER_00]: Thousands and thousands of people Subscribing to a product that's not GTG.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we got it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So check out Jockel fuel dot com and Feel yourself properly also check out origin USA dot com.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Jiu-Jiu-Jiu-Jiu-Jiu-Jiu-Rashcards jeans boots hoodies got a new shirt coming out, which I did just sent me a sample of which is legit
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we got everything that you need, it's 100% made in America because we're not making communist clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are making freedom clothing, American clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% made in America with 100% American made materials.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check out OrigenUSA.com and get your wife or your significant other apparent women's genes because they're common.
[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently,
[SPEAKER_00]: they do it right.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Big H got one of the initial pairs, and I'm going to say they are GTG.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perform and function.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, girls can be quite picky about their genes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, they know what they want and don't want.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, so it's actually a good guideline, like let's face it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a bad guideline, you're just like, oh, yeah They function, you know, all this other stuff I was like, probably what about us who care about the aesthetic a little bit more than say jocco So I'm saying I think that's most of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: OriginUSA.com, get some.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, don't forget about Jockel Store.
[SPEAKER_02]: We represent any, and while we're on this path, just let me go free to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got some good shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Five versions of discipline equals freedom shirts on Jockel Store.
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of good, which is, let's face it the classic.
[SPEAKER_02]: From the beginning, if something happens, it's bad, there is some good that comes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: As you can see, you want to represent?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got three versions of good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other stuff too, good stuff on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made the shirts.
[SPEAKER_02]: functional in the way so well that people say this is my favorite shirt not necessarily because of the design but how it fits on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said my job was done well then proud of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also a short locker which is different design every month.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a subscription scenario.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I am releasing one more shirt from the shirt locker into the main.
[SPEAKER_00]: Into the wire stream.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sugar coated lies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that that one right there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Should good like the one that I'm releasing now and be on the lookout for that if you want to be notified Put your email go juxtur.com and the bottom put your email in that or email you want it comes out so you can spam everybody No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will let you know when it's live and when it's going live, even before it goes live so you can jump on there whenever you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying you want to get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to get the jump on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to get back to it, you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: You do run the risk of it selling out, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we do tend to sell out nonetheless.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all on JoccoStore.com channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, also we got some books check out put your legs on by Rob Jones check out need to lead by Dave Burke I've written a bunch of books about leadership with my brother, Dave Babin written out some other books for adults and kids check all those out warrior kid movie coming Movie coming November 20th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, right way of the warrior kid movie starring Chris Pratt who has it by the way
[SPEAKER_00]: Directed by Mick G. Kind of has it too, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Legitimacy and Authentacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Legitimacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what actual Charles was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because actual Charles is in it too, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, acting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stretch of a roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Playin' a Jiu-Jitsu black belt up there with the guillan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Been very supportive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you did a great job.
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought a lot of excellence on Legitimacy to the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were all very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: PrimalBeef.com, you need steak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check out PrimalBeef.com and ColoradoCraftBeef.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, actually, I'm from we have something called the mustard.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just got done with the mustard.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mustard is a two-day conference educational scenario where we teach the skills of leadership as a skill.
[SPEAKER_00]: We teach the skills of leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leadership is not something you're born with.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is something that is a skill that you can learn and you can improve.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you need leadership inside your organization, it would be an outstanding opportunity to come to the next one is in July and it is in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a very cool place.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did it in the summertime.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that people like to come to San Diego, so if you want to make it into a little family scenario, bring the fam out, you learn about leadership and the family gets a little
[SPEAKER_00]: Sea World, a little San Diego Zoo, a little beach.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're here, day go, as they say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, ass down from.com, if you want to check that out, also extreme ownership, we have an online academy where we teach these principles and skills as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, if you want to help service members active and retired, do you want to help their families who want to help gold star families?
[SPEAKER_00]: Check out Mark Lee's mom, mama Lee.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got an amazing charity organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to America's mightywariors.org.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, check out heroes at horses.org and finally, Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.org.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to connect with us, you can check out joccal.com, and then on social media, I'm at joccal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at joccal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just be careful, because that whole thing is filled with a bunch of spam crap trying to manipulate your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what it is, people paying money to get into your brain and get control of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know how they attack you, by the way, they appeal to your animal instincts.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's brain, he's graceful.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're grace-lop.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the thumbnails are what the thumbnails are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I apologize for the freaking dumbass thumbnails that Ecos made where he was experimenting with AI.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, bro, I asked you to stop doing those.
[SPEAKER_00]: In no less than, I would say eight times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, bro, this is the dumbest looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love this slap and then I think I'd shut it down and then the next one to come out It'd be me like on a stack of gold coins with a crown on or me in a business suit on my bro And I did it because it was early in the AI.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: It was early in the AI generation, so you were kind of like flexing in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but it didn't take long before You were you were not flexing anything So anyways, but that's what people do they create these thumbnails you didn't create thumbnail specifically aimed at your Animal instincts, but whenever you see a thumbnail, it's got like
[SPEAKER_00]: a female you know that's that's in some skimpy outfit that's or they put some fear into you like a fearful title or you can win now like defeat anyone like those kind of things things you're missing yeah yeah if you notice that yep that's those are real AI those are real gray slop attacks and you fall for we all fall for that's why they get so many views
[SPEAKER_00]: So just be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're in that zone, just be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Try and scroll with your prefrontal cortex.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll spend, if you engage your prefrontal cortex, you'll go do something smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Three scrolls later you live like what is this crap?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if you just let your let your uh your limbic brain Just it'll look at that shit all day just like, oh wow, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that looks like a good meal Oh, I'm gonna learn something new.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm didn't learn anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna learn something else can change them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that's what it is So just be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's happening there
[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, thanks to all of our service members, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your service and sacrifice that allows us to live in freedom and live in security.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, thanks to our police law enforcement Firefighters, Paramedics, EMTs, Dispatchers, Correctional Officers, Border Patrol, Secret Service, as well as all of the first responders.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your service and sacrifice that keeps us safe here on our soil.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone else out there, you've got to be the one that's in control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not your impulses, not your emotions, not your ego, but you, your enlightened self.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, with plans, and goals, and hopes, and dreams, and things that can only be achieved.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you are holding a steering wheel, if you force yourself to overcome the short term immediate gratification of the mind that satisfies you, right now, but robs you of your future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying don't have emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you should utilize those emotions, but don't let those emotions utilize you.
[SPEAKER_00]: do not allow that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you do that, you will improve your lot in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we've got for tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And until next time, the Zekko and Joko.