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[SPEAKER_04]: running at Marvel as well as Tails of the Green Lantern Corps, which is out tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ladies and gentlemen, Jerry Dougin, Jerry, welcome back to the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has been a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a bit dear.
[SPEAKER_04]: First of all, it's looking trim.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the last time we saw you a little poofier, it looks very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the notice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the number one thing that I was hoping for out of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a mirror at the very, you know, at the first.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our main role for people.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like I was saying in the intro you have a ton of stuff going on a ton of books.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why don't we start with Tales of the Greenlander Corps just because that is coming out tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a work shot focusing on Guy Gardner as well as and I don't think this is a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_04]: But as well as John Stewart, it's dealing with stuff in current continuity.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's boyly at anything again.
[SPEAKER_04]: We had a chance to read it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a good emotional moments as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought throughout
[SPEAKER_04]: What what was the genesis of this because you don't usually see like this is you Matteo Loli and Laura Braga you and Matteo worked on Deadpool I believe together so like was it you going and being like hey we wanted to do a project and this is what fit did they come to you how did this actually get set up um
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been a while, but Paul Komenski reached out and said, oh, you know, there's this one shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you'd be interested in Greenland.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I, I left out it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, guy was one of my favorites, you know, as soon as I found him on the spinnerack, I, I never let go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I left out it and you never know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the orbits that these books take, some things may not come back around your way for a while, you know, so I, I, I, I, so wanted to write a little guy in John, and it turned out that they, there was a story that, um, would be,
[SPEAKER_01]: added it at this moment in continuity because John had bifurcated.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was this great sci-fi story and one of the John's died.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Gai is a paranoid freak, so he wants to make sure John is who he says he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was neat too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to make a sort of an internal affairs lantern that kind of vibes a little rockford.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just got to throw a lot of the things that I love at it, and obviously to be reunited with Mateo is I'll take any any gig I can to write for any of my old Deadpool alumni.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: With with guide, you feel like he needs to bounce off someone like a John Stuart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a high octane pure guy solos tale that would be like perfect?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I could write a guy solo book, but I think guys, you know, having a bit of a renaissance obviously would James gun and all his collaborators are doing obviously Nathan is this is a big part of that, but
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guy used to be sort of a little bit more difficult to find than he will be these days, but I think that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's what we used to call and probably still do an elevation character, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The characters that are marked for elevation were there.
[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to be climbing them out and into rarefied air.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there, you know, Guy obviously, I think, does work best when he's bouncing off of someone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, I was very lucky to have John.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I think I get a sense of this but based on the way the book went and how you're talking about it But there's a lot of different takes on of what the Green Lantern core can be do you do you look at them mostly like is the core of the core or space cops?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great question for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always what
[SPEAKER_01]: what kind of story do you want to tell?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you, you, those larger elements, you know, I think you can make them malleable and bang it around whatever story you want to tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this was more, you know, sort of a,
[SPEAKER_01]: a fastball sort of Shane Black cop story, but where they're really bouncing off of each other really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of my, one of my blue chip green lantern stories, I don't know if I'll get a chance to use it as a horror story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and I think some of my most effective
[SPEAKER_01]: Pym Tron, you know, all Tron coming back and wearing Pym's face is a horrifying idea that, you know, Pepe Crushed and stuck around for a while, you know, that was, you know, so any of these things can be
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, rejiggered into whatever sort of configuration you need.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, the the lanterns are space cops, but you know, I like the idea that there's dirty space cops or that there's a anwar that you can tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it really depends what you want to bring to the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: a question on the John Stuart continuity thing like when you you jumped at the guy gardener part of the book when did that was at just on the table and you were like okay or was it sort of like it'd be good if you incorporated this like how does that sort of the tree branches of continuity work when you're just like coming in hot to tell a one-shall like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well it's a good question
[SPEAKER_01]: had this story with John and I said, who, yeah, I know, and it's a great suggestion from a great editor to just say here's a possibility that you could mine, and I said, actually, that makes the story better because guys sort of experiencing a paranoia, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's a reason for him to be paranoid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your friend, really, in this,
[SPEAKER_01]: in this story was he the guy that went into the multi-versive croaked version of the guy that stayed behind and died.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and by the way, I really do think John is the best green lantern, you know, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the most entertaining green lantern.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe how is sort of the most
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the highest odometer of any of the green lanterns at the end of this compliment.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love to hear is I think you said this earlier, but which one did you read first?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I only say this because I have this like pet theory that everybody's favorite green lantern is the first green lantern They read and that just sort of sticks the entire time
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny, I know how would have been, but then things got so weird with mosaic back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that actually gravitated more to John than how.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we talk a lot about,
[SPEAKER_01]: finding collaborators that have the gears that you need and one of the things that Mateo has that not every everyone has is the ability to to set up and pay off jokes, you know those are that's like an extra muscle set and he very much can do those
[SPEAKER_01]: Facial expressions like Kevin the Wire did that you know where I iconic and we talked about that a lot back when we were making Deadpool that I would write differently for different artists and knowing going into this
[SPEAKER_01]: that Mateo is likely to be able to accept the work if the timing worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were the sorts of things you want to set him up with those faces that got that guy as famous for from Kevin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, that's a long way of saying, I love each of the lanterns for different reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even got to do a little kilowatt not a lot but he's in there a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex is you so you're first was how like you're like you're a how guy no no my first was Kyle And yeah, how have we never talked about this for I just always assumed you're a high I don't know why that's why yeah, because I'm lame.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that why?
[SPEAKER_02]: You just like yes, but I'm a lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: You also like how I'm a Kyle guy too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at us being friends Kyle the Kyle people are the I feel like that's the nerdy is lantern to life
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of them's a squirrel, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be then everyone is someone's favorite character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or every character is someone's favorite character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm trying to think what is the nerdyest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's also that planet, it's not, oh, what's the planet?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a green character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty nerdy if you were like my favorite green lantern is the
[SPEAKER_02]: That's certainly that feels like the least fun answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like why do you like that?
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you like about that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's got a five.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fun to like a planet.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Toma Ray is probably wondering like, okay All right, I mean, but I said he's a cool bird guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think he's like a bird.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a big beak, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a beak.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a fin on his head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got a we got a Buzzfeed quiz coming Yeah, it was 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: We would crush which lantern are you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, as we're about to get into, you have a lot of different things going on, but is this a gateway to more DC work?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we going to be seeing you do more DC stuff down the road?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm very privileged.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I turned in another DC script yesterday, which actually should have been in Friday, but I got an extension because I need to polish it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to be able to blurred it out now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really hard work, and yeah, there's going to be some fun DC books in your hopefully going to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is announced.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have more with DC.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy to enlist and starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing a red shirts series that is so cool, a super high body count, something a little bit different in the trek universe that is still very trek, I'm doing that with Scott Bond Kristiano and that'll be on final order cut off next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so you'll see preview pages in early June.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just did my first book with Ben Abernathy over at Skybound.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did the Super Creep Show.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Scott, a Bond Christian on I and that had action comedy horror and doodity.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the full corner copia of the
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think hopefully you're going to see my name in some other cool places, but yeah, I'm also very lucky to be finishing up those two stories of Marvel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've gotten to write more Godzilla than I've ever dreamt of doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've worked with a lot of movie stars over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Godzilla is the easiest to get along with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Toho, I've been really wonderful, and of course the Wonderman book, which
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is really special, I got a chance to watch the show early last year, and I had second thoughts, I was like, boy, the show is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make sure that there's a great Simon story in the 616 that I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did have one, and I didn't really have another if they didn't go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so everyone on the East Coast bullpen thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of folks on the West Coast here at studios because I really encroached on their territory a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to sort of make Simon a fixer in the 616 for timely studios and, you know, he's holding on the phone for Kevin and hoping
[SPEAKER_01]: The other really cool thing though that let me do is sort of drill into Simon, you know, he's a pacifist and I don't Yeah, I don't really fuck with that, you know, where there's a lot of cool action in the book, but he's a pacifist I obviously want to observe that
[SPEAKER_01]: but they also let me tell a very Los Angeles story now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, post labor actions, post fires, what is the city like?
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we are still trying to bootstrap these industries.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I get to play in the world outside of my window here, and usually the Marvel World outside of our window.
[SPEAKER_01]: looks a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one is really one to one because I'm on the West Coast too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: My window outside is really directly the what this city is experiencing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's really fucking cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just see it so rarely in comics
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's very palpable in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: This sort of like look cool while also being present I love a huge Wonderman fan I feel like too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like from back in the day and I think the continuity's been so intense with one man lately So like I feel like you did you pick and shoot I mean you have to I guess you have to pick and choose What to take for instance the pacifist thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like let's play for a joke
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty harshly in recent years?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I used to roll D&D with posting and patent and we had a hilarious game for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I did to drive posting crazy was roll up a pacifist.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when it became my turn to attack in those rounds, I would just be like, you know, does anyone need a heal or can I,
[SPEAKER_01]: But Simon's pacifism, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you could do the damage that he could do, I'd think twice about throwing punches and so forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does though in this
[SPEAKER_01]: fight the spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do, you know, I took the most direct bit of continuity also with his brother is the Grim Reaper.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, where was he last?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Danny, my editor was like, he was trapped in a little bottle put there by Wanda.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's perfect because he's going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, I don't know that the next time that anybody picks that character up, if he will, they'll necessarily honor that he tried to do this and wasn't therapy and Los Angeles and trying to, you know, make some attempt at a man's.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this story is self, totally self encapsulated, like by the end of it, he's got a little, a fun little arc and, and sort of the city kind of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have blathered, but I think it's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have more questions about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Before I forget, I just wanted to mention that every week on the show, we have a professional chef down in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_04]: He works in a restaurant called Shift.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is awesome down there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he, either curates or creates a cut del based on our guest.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this week he created, Will he get the part?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a Wonderman, which is very good.
[SPEAKER_04]: apparel lemon juice raspberry syrup, peach hounds bitters and an egg white seems like a good correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good like L.A. style cocktail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would kill for one of those right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost five here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to cocktail class actually read bird downtown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We made, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: old fashions and then a margarita and it was really lovely um but that yeah I'm getting interested in and making cocktails but deep did the class improve your your bar chefery did it did it work it was really fun to taste I did a great job like the cocktails I just came home and I was like
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have my little no cards, I just, I haven't made any cocktails, but I, I would, someday I would love a proper bar, why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be neat.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll send that recipe your way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you expect to wonder man for a second?
[SPEAKER_04]: I Love Mark Buckingham's art in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I correct me a wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other artist is that stuff on a rough AL or am I remembering the broth?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we decided to do a chapter each artist I would tailor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've come to think of myself as a tailor
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember earlier, I think it's part of what the most successful on us are often, you know, I can write, I have filled not all closest us out, for instance, so we have a murders row of artists coming in and this also is romance, which I know you.
[SPEAKER_01]: can get into trouble telling romances on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't much care about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I write my romances and then I send and people like them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, but I don't, it's very funny like conversations about that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can sometimes blow my hair back.
[SPEAKER_01]: to obviously borrow the euphemism.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, that Stefano, Lauren Phil, and I'm missing someone Mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark obviously is such a special talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I congratulated him on avoiding the Jerry Duggen business for as long as he did, but I finally got him.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it looks great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the perfect match for like old Hollywood and that's a flashback.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about using film sprockets on the orders, especially for the flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the page, you're obviously reading a comic, but we did for those flashbacks, color code them and gave them film sprocket wheels on the side.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a very silly easter egg.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got permission.
[SPEAKER_01]: to do my first job in Los Angeles, and I won't turn this into a fellow buster, was to work at Golden Apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the back issue comics guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm met a million people, but we had all sorts of folks come through, both from Hollywood and comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had Joe and Jimmy and Kevin in there when they were doing Daredevil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Long story short, we had all sorts of media signings and so when I was writing this book,
[SPEAKER_01]: have signed back in the day of Golden Apple and now as his career at least is a question Mark, he's going to visit a friend who's signing a Golden Apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the one signing a Golden Apple anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he's a superhero.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that's cool about Simon is he's a superhero, but he also it's like not really what he wants to do all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He loves to pretend and get be an actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: and have this, like, your wants are different than your needs sometime.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to perform, he loves to perform.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, on the page to, this is nobody will catch this, so I'm just going to tell you this.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the past, I am actually clerking at Golden Apple in that comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the, and Bill Eboids, the original owner of Golden Apple is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bill has since died, but I'm very grateful for him giving me my start on the page turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually just a headshot on the wall now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bill Sun Ryan is the owner who's doing the signing with Randolph, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is not exactly that, but since you have been comics adjacent and now you are a professional comic book writer, what is the project where you first felt it, where you were like, oh, I'm doing this professionally now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it was being, it's funny, 20,
[SPEAKER_01]: 20 years of infinite horizon next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was sat next to Phil Noto at a dinner by Dave Mandel, who I met at the comic shop, and Dave and I became friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave said, you know, I have a lot of Frank Miller art.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should come by and see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this could be a trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he could be a serial player, but I'm going to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get my Throat Slicks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go see some Frank Miller art.
[SPEAKER_01]: We became friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was friends with Phil at San Diego, made sure that we were off together, and then I committed the Cardinal Senate at that dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I pitched Phil infinite.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could see him tensed up, you know, because he didn't pitch the dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he said,
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit, I want to do that comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I tensed up because I was like, I don't know how to write that comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we figured it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we sat, we had a couple of preview pages and me and Phil and Eric Larson sat at a wondercon in San Francisco that's how long he wrote this was now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got a publishing agreement on Anchey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd summited, you know, and obviously I had Phil Noto, like, I know why I was summiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's my writing tip for you is right for Phil Noto, right for fucking him, right for Pepe, right, like, figure out what those folks want to do and, and again, become a tailor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, if that had been my only rodeo after last Christmas, everything since has been
[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, like, here you talk about all of that, like, wanting, it is so Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wonderman is so LA, they're like, I'm doing this, but I don't actually want to do this, but I'm sort of hanging around and I'm actually going to run some errands and then I'm going to come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then here you tell that story is also Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also, yes, there's a lot of us in I see so much of myself and my friends in Simon for exactly that reason, it's why he's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also why I think, you know, sometimes in the big two books, we don't have as much panel time for the cool things like,
[SPEAKER_01]: fulfilling your what your heart needs and more than what your brain or your wallet need and and the more of that that we can include the I think that the better these worlds are and more hopefully the more entertaining we are but I know those are the things that I love to look for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do want to ask you about some of your image comics work, which I think you talk about.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gave a little bit of an update, yesterday of the year, just to run down a couple of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got Falling in Love of the Path of Hell, coming back, Gary's Drawing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are back this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to re-solicit 11 with the next catalog and then we should run through 15 without breaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even through 20 we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we're super excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also did a zoo park book.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the third issue cover that I was able to
[SPEAKER_01]: Horan Swaggle out of Gary's clutches.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we did a zoo park book, that's printing for delivery in June.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a second volume of dark room coming too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was, I feel I have previously made sure that I wanted everyone to know that I was the delay there oftentimes, especially with,
[SPEAKER_01]: comic books when things are delayed, everyone thinks, oh, the arts the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: In this case, I was just needing to focus on other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went away and did some work on myself and had to come come back when I was ready.
[SPEAKER_04]: and dead eyes, the empty first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So John, Mike has been very open about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, both John and I had our elder care issues and then Mike beat the hell out of cancer while that was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone was sort of apologizing to each other and I was like, don't worry, guys, I got this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the most on fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I would not be able to provide services right now in a timely fashion.
[SPEAKER_01]: The end of Dead Eyes is the coolest thing, it was my old man's favorite comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming back and that'll be dedicated to a couple of people, but my old man among them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think my old man saw a lot of himself in that particular character.
[SPEAKER_01]: We put this character in Martin Dobbs and Dead Eyes that had a hard time getting a fair
[SPEAKER_01]: in this world, and then immediately we were involved in sort of a patent troll suit and we were like, nope, we're not letting this thing die, you know, we retitled it and put it out and it lives in the world and we love it so much, and the second volume is such a heart breaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also is a true crime of put a business, you know, it really does
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's claws into the gardener-highest, the largest private art-highest still, I think, in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love seeing, in reading that, like you feel the reality of that and it makes me, I hear your interest, the creative team's interest in that and it, it's such a lean-in moment when I, it's something like this, especially where it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where are you now?
[SPEAKER_02]: You said you're dad, I saw himself in the character, but would that surprise you or were you like, good, excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny, you know, I think a lot of my, not a lot of my work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of my work is about.
[SPEAKER_01]: where I come from and mild man, you know, mild man bought a comic book most nights for me off the spinner rack in Hoboken and grabbed himself the one of the New York tablides.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so I always associated then my mom picked that up too when she started commuting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would read both, so I read headless body and topless bar on the New York Post, which helped write that was like Deadpool DNA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that what I was consuming would change me, but then come back around in this great way later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I obviously fell in over the comic books, but my I had an occasion to thank Larry Hammer for the
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, because my old man was drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: during college and had deferments all the way through college, but then when he got his diploma, he ran out of deferments.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the summer of 68, I think in May or June, he graduated for him and then by December, he was his second plane ride was to Vietnam, which we never spoke about.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he couldn't, he had never really unpacked that stuff, even lying about
[SPEAKER_01]: his bullet wound and you never really know what you're writing about at the time that you're writing about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm one of those guys where I'm like, oh that's what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So infinite was my sort of figuring out a story about a guy trying to get home to his family like so many of his
[SPEAKER_01]: contemporaries were and like my father was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then my old man telling me that he liked this character who didn't get a fair shake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, my dad was from a close to Woodstock, New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that summer, his summer of 68 was like the height of the combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looked up to the moon, we were walking on the moon, and then the whole world descended on woodstock to get him out of the jungle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, like there were things that I think he wanted to go and do that he didn't get a chance to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the nom to bring it all back around the comic books, the nom was this surrogate experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't talk about why he had, you know, the struggles that he had after the war, but I had this experience in the comic book where these were stories, many of them maybe true, many of them not.
[SPEAKER_01]: explain my situation in life a little bit if that makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the idea of you looking at the post and a comic and just combining them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was also really a fucked up time, like it was the mob wars, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the Mafia obviously were not thrilled that he was getting so much ink because that's not really part of their job description.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we had what a fascinating time to be reading this stuff is that the glorious burnout of that
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my, I also, we lived in Manhattan and post summer of Sam, we were across the river in New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my folks were like, well, we'll try New Jersey now, we don't get to see how that works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's obviously a lot of stuff that is coming out just to mention, you mentioned this earlier, but you have Godzilla Conquerors, the Multiverse, is coming out starting on July 22nd.
[SPEAKER_04]: I gotta say it, I mean, this complimentary, I've been surprised how funny these books are because you go into like, Godzilla destroys the Marvel Universe or Godzilla, you know, I'm for any of the Infinity War, that was the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Infinity War.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, look, especially with this, you know, we have that saying like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You better tell a fucking joke, like the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we were a huge success and then it was like, okay, now it's a big three summer movie action blockbuster and in three minis.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just said, okay, but I'm going to try to get fired every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's shit in in multiverse that like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're at the finish line now, so I'm like sneaking like, oh, like Toha's thrilled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel's thrilled, and I'm thrilled to be able to get away with murder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really feel like someone's gonna be like, holy shit, like why they let him do this?
[SPEAKER_01]: We really bend and break some things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Mothra resurrects the biggest monster in the story, and it's not who you're thinking,
[SPEAKER_01]: Doom makes an Avengers team and has made an Avengers team I guess is that is where are we in roar?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was huge out?
[SPEAKER_01]: I never know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a time traveler.
[SPEAKER_01]: I come to podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm able to come to podcasts And I could spoil movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could spoil entire runs of comic books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what year it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Number four comes out tomorrow
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so spoiler, the Avengers of Doom are born at the end of the second mini and then they will avenge everyone in the third book and the third mini which just goes absolutely fucking crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is Godzilla having such a time right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we, there's still no books.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the quality of the books is very high and with a character that often it's like really mixed and it's also a lot like there's the monster piece theater or everyone's doing Godzilla in like wild ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what about now is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had conversations about I need some fun at IDW too, but I just thought I can't be one of the people experiencing the multiverse with Godzilla.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to pick a universe to explore with Godzilla.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm kind of- That's a mind-fuck to try to write different Godzilla's, but they're doing similar things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Toho is a really great partner, and they have some fun rules.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you are agreeing obviously they're they're a partner in all of this and I don't think they would mind me saying
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to be respectful of all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then they let me break, like, several of the rules, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so it was just all they said, what if this would that still apply and everyone sort of agrees?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you figured out the way through that rain drop.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it got us dug in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but like a lovely fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you ever go to Tokyo,
[SPEAKER_01]: their the tow building has a godzilla hanging off of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I literally paid extra to get into the godzilla view hotel room back pre-COVID, you know, I was like taking selfies with with the outside and they I was so very clearly the right person for the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some assignments that come up
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know if I was the first call for savage vendors, but I made sure I was the last call because there were people, you know, it's like that scene in Jedi where they're like, who'd they get to lead the assault against the new Death Star?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that's, that's my fucking job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing Conan raging through the Marvel Universe, which shouldn't work, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be five and out, you know, or whatever, that'll be a bummer or not work or totally will be clashing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think those of us that grew up fans of these things are just fans of these things and then you figure out, okay, well, how am I going to, how am I going to bring Godzilla into the Marvel Universe?
[SPEAKER_01]: I get lovely, uh, uh, churpers, you know, I don't respond to much, but there's one gentleman who's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Dear sir, was the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why are you making the Marvel heroes so weak in comparison to Godzilla?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as the messages pile up there, like a little less respectful, it's like, hey fuck, face.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then tree can't punch out Godzilla, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, you know why I can't because that's not what the writer wants to have happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get his fucking shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it starts.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a fun face.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jerry, all this stuff is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've obviously talked about a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there anything else you want to plug?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out the, just as a final argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out these comic books.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are made with love.
[SPEAKER_01]: The late books from image that are being published.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally my bad, but they are back and better than ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate the support as always.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to see my name in more fun places and I don't take any of the support from our retail partners or our fans for granted.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not going to see me very much at shows because I am so busy on some on-and-out stuff writers always have these secret lives and we're we're off wrenching on these things that we
[SPEAKER_04]: Jerry, thank you so much for coming on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I apologize about all those letters.
[SPEAKER_04]: I sent you where I dressed you as fuckface, but you're the
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll stop from no more and no you won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't help it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jerry, so good seeing you.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a pleasure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations on everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it and I will see you again soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come back to blur.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, there we go, Jerry Dougin, just to plug the stuff that's coming out a little sooner, you could check out Tails of the Green Lantern Court tomorrow from DC Comics Wonder Band.
[SPEAKER_04]: Number two is out now.
[SPEAKER_04]: number three is coming out May 27.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a busy July 22nd when ride red shirts ghosts of the 21st century and number one comes out from IW and Godzilla Cockers the multiverse number one comes out July 22nd as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So check all that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very curious about red shirts being to talk to because we were talking about so many other things, but that seems like a very fun way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it in the, especially in that universe to have a new take or different look at it is so exciting totally agree and folks we're going to move on with our next section which is my favorite section because you all make it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is your audience questions and for audience questions all you got to do is drop a question in the comments can be about absolutely anything and we will get to it before we do though just in what you're drinking tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're still a little uh... solo parenting elixir which is this is tears tears straight judge just a guess i'm so red because my tears i'm like uh... the villain in casino royale and my tell uh... what i'm telling with my tell is it this year so i got wrote what was this day might ever was bads michaelson it was
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like on the tip of my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody the comments is going to say it'll be short clear by the way, happy birthday to our guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, happy birthday to short clear.
[SPEAKER_04]: We should all say happy birthday to you shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I like this jazzy version you're doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just had a hype of the way we can't do the other version.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead, John.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can always do jazz.
[SPEAKER_02]: The showtaker, I do another show called Character's Welcome, and the showtaker came on and he did our quiz.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did a quiz for the show last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to go check it out, comic book club comes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the answers was listing all of the podcasts we do, and it was bracing to hear it said.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a very, it's still, it's the most recent stream that we did last Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very fun time, so Shows to Shoeckler is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... we got a question here from greater good what were your free comic book day give away day experiences like just and you managed to make it out of mine was living by carously through our discord because i did not make it anywhere near a comic book store but um... it was really every it sounded so exciting if i loved hearing everyone's different strategies and experiences of uh... their store the way it is i feel i feel like you're from years ago we were spoiled going to midtown
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's such a clandestine experience it turns out it's very different at every store around the country I feel like and that's sort of well, well, maybe not the best for everyone It is certainly the most metaphorically accurate for the comic book industry So I think that's good
[SPEAKER_04]: It also seems like both from my experience and just seeing everybody online.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was a crazy, busy, free comic book.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, give it away today.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like everybody talking about huge sales and big business.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'll say we started out the day, hitting up for a bit in planet, downtown.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a line literally around the block.
[SPEAKER_04]: right as it was opening, we got there a 10 a.m., but great store, love for been in planet, that was the first one my dad took me to when I was little there in a different location now, but I have a fondness for it, and it's really well laid out, and it's a fun place to visit.
[SPEAKER_04]: They gave, which was crazy, and last year I seemed to remember they gave like,
[SPEAKER_04]: half the Marvel stuff and one of the DC things that a couple of other books and I was like okay that's fine whatever you want to do there's a free that's all good.
[SPEAKER_04]: This year they handed up bags with every single book that was being given away plus like 10 to 15 books that clearly they were just trying to get rid of from the basement.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I got like a random issue of walking dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got all these books that were like, oh, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember reading that 15 years ago or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that was, that was nuts.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was also like, I was not prepared to get carry around that many comics.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then we went to Midtown and they again had a line from Avenue to Avenue, waiting to get into Midtown.
[SPEAKER_04]: We, since we already had all the books or like, why don't we get some lunch and then we'll come back and see if we actually want to do this or if we want to just The way Midtown does it you got a weight online for the free books or you could just go inside if you're shopping So we went to got lunch by the time we got back from lunch at 1 p.m.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were done.
[SPEAKER_04]: They'd cap the line.
[SPEAKER_04]: They'd rat out of all of their free comic books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was wild Now just a question about that like and some of the recent things happening in the comic book industry is this speculation market back like the 90s Style spec market well, I hope that is big is that obviously not getting their numbers wise But the energy feels like that
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you hear this from everybody, but definitely with the absolute universe, I talked to people by kids, constantly or the poor.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, all my friends know about absolute Batman.
[SPEAKER_04]: They may not read it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They may never read a comic book, but they know absolute Batman.
[SPEAKER_04]: and if you have that bulk of people who know about that and are interested in that, there's going to be like, what, generously 10% of the people are going to be like, oh, maybe I'll go into comic book storage, check it out, probably less than that, but that's still way more than stores have been getting than you add in things like the energon universe is bringing
[SPEAKER_04]: I really don't think you can underestimate how big and invincible is right now and like it's top of mind with the show going on in the video game coming out and my son is obsessed with it right now and I should probably say it was something about the video game at a second but the
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he's looking for the books now, and he's collecting like the new additions that they're putting out in conjunction with the show They're gone constantly like whatever we go to any shop.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're either missing or they've just restocked them They're selling like hotcakes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if this is a long way of saying that like yes I think comic cells are up clearly the speculation market is up because of that I hope we're not gonna head towards a bubble hold, but I think
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like a bubble.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel so exploitive as it did back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like people are Finding things to get excited about and then that the collector's market and all of that is popping a little bit, but not in a way where it's Too crazy so far so hopefully it maintains and one other thing to say I was working on a
[SPEAKER_02]: a gig last week and with like a lot of the talent were like early 20s and it was constant dudes and it was constant invincible talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the scenes in the it was a short film.
[SPEAKER_02]: was called the Omni-Man scene, where it was like a fight scene, built around the Omni-Man crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, just to sort of move on to that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I got a chance, I got a copy of invincible versus right before it came out, thanks to our friends at Skybound.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I play the little bit of it that I before.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the stupidity game.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you don't know, it's on the platform.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has 18 of the characters from invisible.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has a very light like one hour long story mode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Most of it is just three versus three tag.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you play, you choose three characters, and you can tag the men as you're playing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it gives it an extra level of strategy.
[SPEAKER_04]: very fun like super super fun with I'm not a big guy but like the tag gives you that level of strategy if you're just like okay a button-bashing weight but I could break this other person's concentration by bringing out on the Elliott or whatever it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well and that's like sort of card game adjacent thinking there where you can like I can play this card at this time and that's smart.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I've noticed already, I mean, granted all of our feeds are algorithmic, so it's hard to parse how big this really is, but just seeing online people like talking about the game and me big this game in addition to the animated show and addition to the comic, it's wild to see you get so big so many years later, it's pretty easy.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... let's see shrapnel it says jury dug-in was great guest but he just pointed out something at the very end of the interview that i never connected before we call Alex lex from now on hollocks lex album olex i assume this is a lex loothered joke um... yes it's a joke it's a lex it's not actually a serious fact
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, go for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shonkler, our little birthday boy, says, what's a title you avoided reading, watching, but really enjoyed when you finally did?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, interesting question.
[SPEAKER_04]: We did the first volume of swamp thing, a couple of years back, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, and not purposefully avoided, but Alan Moore is definitely like,
[SPEAKER_02]: a creator, a writer that I came into, like, oh, I should read that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I did, and I was like, oh, I love this, I should read this so much, a longer, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm trying to think of there's any other comics like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That definitely was one that I wasn't like, oh, this is gonna be bad, so much as it seemed very serious that I read it, and I was like, no, this is cool, this is cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, every run of the Punisher,
[SPEAKER_04]: interesting and almost every time I'm like I don't want to read this I don't like the potisher and then I'll read the Punisher and I'm like this actually good that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah planetary is one that I feel like again I wasn't avoiding it but people were like you should read this and I was like I will and there are others I feel like we had our sort of like
[SPEAKER_02]: the opposite of a guilty pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: The unturned over stone in our coming diet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Years ago, we should maybe revisit that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've turned over so many stones since then.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to flip those stones back again and then flip them over one more time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm reading through invincible uncomic solid here right now and I think I'm about halfway through what other finished series would you recommend after that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't read.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I haven't read.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well that's sort of that true, but kind of I mean there are the other invisible universe books I think if I remember a sounding wolf man was pretty good, I've tech jacked, okay, if I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would throw an okay on a sounding wolf man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like it's seem to remember it's starting strong and then yes, yes, getting a little weird I was talking earlier today with somebody about the Invisible to the boys pipeline if you haven't read the boys I feel like that's a let's say I put up a little bit in terms of the violence of the rocchiness and everything I would call it more than a little bit 2000 percent Yes, I mean
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like a deep cut one, but one that, and I honestly, I would need to revisit before I could fully recommend it, but I want to go back and reread the ultraverse line because I remember that really lit me up when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that's, it was a very tight continuity universe when it came out, so might be worth going back to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... the great princess i went to several folks that their soul attendants had to do a dungeon crawler carol this is about free comic book day they've never been to a comic book shop i was the opposite experience i know nothing about dung in crawler carol that is one that i'm like i guess i should check this out this is huge uh... the free comic book day book that they put out uh... did you you're reading it right now
[SPEAKER_02]: I, uh, uh, another dad at my kid's school was like, have you read this book?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know, it sounds not like not my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like, you should read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: let me say it's it goes in so hard like the story starts like you know the whole premise and it's very much like and it's listed as like a literary RPG but it's written in the sort of like a Douglas Adam style book yeah a little more aggressive than that so it definitely like in it's the easiest
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I, after reading that free comic book day issue, I was like, oh, wait, I should read way more of this because this is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's dark, it's funny, it's really smart.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was very quick, like you're saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: So great stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fred Destrie says, maybe a discussion for the next Marvel vision, but you guys think that Marvel made the right choice with the new team for Daredevil, assuming they mean creative team, or any creative team for the TV show, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for the TV show.
[SPEAKER_02]: um what do you think um i don't want to spoil all of the episodes of that podcast but yeah i've been definitely disappointed with this season of Daredevil but i've talked to other people who like it just as much as the first season but to me this season we've talked about this a lot on that podcast but like
[SPEAKER_02]: It is so much messier and overstuffed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The classic Marvel problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would if I had a pinpoint and MCU issues, everything has too much going on that doesn't leave time to actually tell a good story with like character moves and emotionality to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this this season is is very much that and last season had so many like separate story episodes story driven episodes that was was able to be good without being crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my, I've talked about this a lot on the podcast, but the thing that's really bothered me about these creative choices they made is this aggressive need to reverse time to the Netflix shows which for multiple reasons.
[SPEAKER_04]: bothers me, but it also just feels like a bad decision because those shows while they certainly had their core fans and there's a lot of it that I really liked, they fizzled out over time and their 10 years old says being like, now we've got to return first time to 10, 2016 when we were sorry to really Peter out at the end there and really running into a wall in terms of while our creativity seems like a terrible idea to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: versus the first season was like we're battling forward with something new we're throwing some wild ideas here it feels fresh the rhythm is different the feel is different the shooting style is different this is just it's regressive but that said I know we're in our way I will say tonight's finale or rocks it is really yes I don't want to I don't want to color your
[SPEAKER_04]: perceptions and I don't know if it's enough to save a season that I didn't really like very much but oh man is the dare devil finale good everybody should after you finish watching this stream get ready I swear you watch it live don't let anybody spoil it for you that's all I say wow what a bomb drop from in from lex lex drop is crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... notes for dialysis uh... jerry plug to secret dc project he's working on what dc character's story would you like to see him do who i mean that was interesting it feels like he has a lot of uh... sort of bigger work coming which is exciting in the dc space i'm trying to think uh... who were sort of do for a new series on and there are two characters that come to mind for me uh... green arrow
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: It did seem like he was suggesting it was another one shot the way that he was talking around it So I could see Hawkman for sure
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd also throw out there just because they're paired in my mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: He could probably write one shot about one of the flashes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got another bunch of flashes there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like a, maybe not Barry Allen, but one of the others.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't be right out of flash days.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't be in a flash.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't be in a flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't be in a flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: You
[SPEAKER_02]: So like it feels like green lantern.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like him doing this guy gardener thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably not that I could see him do somebody in the bad family though Like you could do like I know tip Drake is quit at the moment, but he could do a tip Drake one shot or something Or Jason Jason Todd could call
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a character that is going to lean toward Jerry's style, or is he jumping onto a new game?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Zemann says, what other comics do you think would make good video game that haven't been adapted yet?
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, that's tough just because my first thought, just based on what we were talking about was the boys, but there's a boys VR game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I believe that it's coming out or it just came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I only know this because of a weird job I did, but there's a boy's call of duty mobile crossover as well, which feels crazy for I know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there they're out there, but that is a good answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we just talked about it, but let's get a little dungeon crawler Carl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, like comedy RPG.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what about a serious polyp?
[SPEAKER_02]: really good get into some emotional architectural exploration concrete play as concrete I mean yes wow do you lament that your hard misshapen body lay down press x yeah fun smashing on this lament lament harder concrete yeah oh my I think
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got to hit it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bang, bang, bang, bang, uh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Josh, Jewish.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bo game says, I released DC next level's book, you're most, oh, Josh, that makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really, I don't want to read.
[SPEAKER_04]: I released DC next level book, you're most looking forward to.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm waiting to see where Haran and Cap get placed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great great button to that question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm mostly looking forward to it's coming out next month is deadman from our ice cream Mantees.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so Psyched for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is so exciting
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm psyched for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm psyched for when eventually they announced Joshua Williams' Seth thus far on announced Legion of Superheroes book, which they mentioned at New York Comic-Con and then have not included any press releases or said anything anywhere, which is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: And why would that be?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, maybe they felt like it was too early.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was definitely that panel.
[SPEAKER_04]: We were both watching that panel, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: That was Scott Cider and Josh Williams had been getting a bunch of little boy and spilling the beans on everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love, I just want to see those beans again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Show me the beans.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also, maybe they're capping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I guess, is next level have an end?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like, it's all leading up to this situation?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't think it's all leading up to this, but I do, my bet would be,
[SPEAKER_04]: this is not actual information, but my bet would be trying for investment of 12 issues because we're going to get whatever the act 3 event of this whole DC all-in story is, most likely in October.
[SPEAKER_04]: So probably they're like, all right, do your stories up until October if they're not working, sorry, if they are working, we'll take off the next level,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but if you think about the way the absolute, the Dark Legion has been used, I feel like maybe that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big puzzle, please.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let me ask you a related question because there is a Legion one shot or a one shot focusing on the Legion, the Joshua Williams that is doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: If he's writing a Legion of Superheroes book, would you rather see the plot go?
[SPEAKER_04]: Legion of Superheroes gets cured and rebooted to their best selves, and so we get a heroic Legion of Superheroes book from Joshua Williamson, or the book is Dark Sides Legion trying to figure out what to do now that they've been cut off from Dark Sides, and maybe being here, I was
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the latter, and honestly I feel like based on what was happening with Dark Size Legion, I bet that's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was definitely like some alpha energy or like goodness starting to be injected into them in the most recent appearances.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be my prediction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good because one I think complaint you could have about Lily Jen and Legionnaires and all that is like they're all a little bit similar in the way they present.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all like we're generally good and I do think having some variation there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think is a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're generally good and there's 500 of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep track.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my powers is one knife, a knife kid and it's like okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess we'll see I just want to before we wrap up here, break up this command from Jershmo Games Press X to contemplate.
[SPEAKER_04]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah That all said What are you looking forward to this coming out tomorrow Justin?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we got a big bag at comics in this universe coming at us right on the heels of free comic book day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am looking forward to amazing Spider-Man number 28.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we're at a resetting point given what
[SPEAKER_02]: carnage in spiral and all of that so looking forward to see what the reset is because I feel like we have him able to take a breath with Peter Parker and quite some time so what nightmare is coming for him next it feels like that's a progression and not to be just like a um
[SPEAKER_02]: Right over the plate answer is one of the throughout Batman number nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: The math fractions run every issue feels big big ideas big moves It's slick.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fast like Steven Soderberg Film version of Batman, and that's really fun Very psych for that and I got to give it up for a Cyclops number four as well This series has been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the rehabilitation of Scott Summers is going well In your face haters in your face haters
[SPEAKER_04]: But stuff I want to add on there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll give a shout out to you fall of the House of Slotter number one from Boom Studios There's a big event series that's gonna kick the slaughterverse from something is killing the children to the next stage So curious to see what happens there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also if destruction be our lot number one from Italy This is from Matthew Rosenberg and is brobro mark Elijah Rosenberg
[SPEAKER_04]: Art by Andy McDonald, it's about a robotic Abraham Lincoln who goes out of a journey of self-discovery.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked Matt Roseberg a couple of weeks back about we got to read this ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should say and it is so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So shout to that comic.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great to not miss it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was excited to read it again.
[SPEAKER_04]: and I'll give another shout out to somebody else who talked to me who D.C.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has X, Sonics, the head chog, and the Battle Legion number one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoyed the first series.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is something that was really fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was looking forward to the second one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did talk to Ian Flynn and that is up in the comic book club feed as well as of this Monday.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I remember correctly, a fun chat with him, new spoilers there if you haven't picked up the book yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I will say that book is very fun as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all of those are going to be in our stack podcast that come out Wednesday, 9 a.m. both in the stack feed in the comic book club feed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, before we go normally, we do this with Pete, but he may be off for a bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Justin, shall we pay tribute to our Patreon support?
[SPEAKER_04]: What love?
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: So just to mention, anybody at the five dollar and up level on Patreon, we give a little thank you a shout out to them at the beginning of the month.
[SPEAKER_04]: So why don't we kick it off with Aaron C. Hollis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Add him to Rose.
[SPEAKER_04]: Add a Marks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Adrian Moreland.
[SPEAKER_04]: Andrew Primo.
[SPEAKER_04]: Andrew Tillman.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, Ariola Grande.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gade, baby, oh no, it's dance, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel Cabral.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the Danny heck?
[SPEAKER_02]: Dern two pots.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dennis Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: Derek Bainart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doug Satoe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Francis Holencap.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gary Ram the Spirite.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ian Ramey.
[SPEAKER_04]: J. G. Jackson Kitty.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jake Frye.
[SPEAKER_04]: James Connelly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jared Townsend.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jason Donahue.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeffrey Whaley.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joey Espazino.
[SPEAKER_04]: John Henderson.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan John.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Enigmatic Josh.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Less Enigmatic Josh Wright.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kelby, Kevin Kleinrock, Kieran Broderick, Lance Kaminski, I'm in for a little bit of a Lee Hunt, LaWanna Thomas, LucasSink, Mark Karelow, so nice it's Matt Tais, Matthew Skofields who we also did a podcast with and you can check out on the comic book club feed as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great interview there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Taylor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael McCallough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael Tillman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nelson Kelso Martinez.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Roxanne Tyler, my mom, odds are better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And folks, that is it for this week's show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to our guest, Jerry Dougin, for coming on to talk about all the great things he's doing from Wonderman and Tales of the Green Lantern Corps to Dead Eyes, Red Shirts, Godzilla Conquerors of the Multiverse, and much, much more.
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