[SPEAKER_00]: Macswell Poth has come on that's a gay ass podcast with his hairy tits in view and God bless America.
[SPEAKER_00]: Macswell, did you wear out a slutty tank top for this podcast or is it your daily look?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, other podcasts I've worn, you know, you know, more like, you know, T-shirts button ups, whatever, but, you know, I watched some videos, you know, I saw my friend Kyle Krieger even shirtless, so I was like, I'm going to wear my meat rack hat, I'm going to wear my tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely meat rack hat, tits out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to give us a flash of pit before we get into our hard hitting questions?
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pits are looking absolutely delicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, because I am a gay asternalist self-proclaimed Maxwell Poath, your first heart-hitting question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last night's Instagram story revealed a takeout back from the cheesecake factory Maxwell Poath.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your political opinion about the cheesecake factory?
[SPEAKER_00]: And did you get the four cheese posts?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, if it's a chain restaurant that's good and slaps always go to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being in LA, we don't have a lot of the chain restaurants unless they're in like malls.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're like, we don't have Apple bees.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have chilies, you don't have red robin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have to try like an hour to go to these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So drove, you know, really close to the growth, the cheesecake factory, and it slaps didn't get the pasta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had so much so much fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love did you did you go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you go cheesecake?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or did you keep it just to the car?
[SPEAKER_01]: we just kept it to the carbs this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah sure sure sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well listen there's so much that you're going to have to speak to not only your cheesecake factory affiliations but also the fact that you're a gorgeous short king, the fact that you're an amazing photographer, the fact that you are from Utah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's get into the short kingness of it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a meme that says send this to a short friend to remind them hawks exist and to be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maxwell, you had over 10 people send this meme to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did that feel?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just laugh at this point every day I wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look up, you know, at my boyfriend or anyone else around me and I just...
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, Exit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So give the listeners the deeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are how tall and your boyfriend is how tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I never say how tall how short am I when people ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's got no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: How short am I?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: My personality might be tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am, uh, I am five feet and five inches tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll have you know Max well that I am six to but I have a twin brother who is five foot four inches and so I have so much love in my heart for the short kings of this planet and I'm so honored to be speaking to one right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that you're twin, I'm twin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you are?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm twin sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're gonna set aside the entire interview and we're gonna talk twin stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maxwell twin sister, that's honestly the dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love my twin brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Many people know he was a piece of shit to me growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a whole show about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, part of me always dreamed of having a sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got three brothers.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was it like to have a twin sister?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, first of all, I have three sisters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shut the fruit, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never had a brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: And where are you in the birth order?
[SPEAKER_01]: My twin and I are the youngest by a minute older.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was kind of raised as the middle child with my middle sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and this would you say that you are gay because you have three sisters because statistically speaking, you're not the first boy to be in a fully girly family in second dick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know what, it's definitely probably a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say my twin is a lesbian though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even better, even better.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, she's just a lesbian, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you, would you categorize her as glitch lipstick or her, she's her own category?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's, we like to, we like to say like her wife is definitely like chapstick lesbian is what we just like to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not full lipstick, not full but
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's like a little bit of color to the chopstick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of like both like her and her wife are kind of like, you know, like ski bumps, ski bros, like skater bros, like they just like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of like we kind of have similar styles to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, so is she, is she the same height as you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the tallest in my family.
[SPEAKER_00]: everyone's reaction is quite similar um so you grew up at the state with me circus I'm kidding short people enough for each shows don't care about it man that's one of the podcasts my my family wait well okay so well there's so much to get into because you are a gay guy from Utah which I feel like is a very fraught subjay but you know what since we're already key king let's ask the famous podcast question Maxwell Poth whose fault is it that you're gay who do we
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I was thinking about this and probably I have like two, I have two quick answers for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: One was definitely like, which makes sense, I guess, with being raised by three, with like, my mom and three sisters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like female badass power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was obsessed with Charlie's Angels Full throttle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Dominique Azar.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like my number one film.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anything like that like I had I wasn't even like a barbie kid like I had them, but I preferred like that female action like figures and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like definitely that and then I would definitely say my father.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a very like confident man.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was never afraid to like be like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This man that he always wanted to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a dancer in my whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: He taught like ballroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: He taught.
[SPEAKER_01]: He teaches Duma.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a fitness instructor.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in ballet.
[SPEAKER_01]: My parents met because they were dancers.
[SPEAKER_01]: My dad and I go to heels classes together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even a dancer, but I'll go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you're dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do heels class with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: My dad will do a heels class with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My goal is to like dance.
[SPEAKER_00]: In credible, any chance we have to shout out a straight man or a father figure who is very much on the right side of her story, we celebrate them because I would say unfortunately it's a rare occasion that we can celebrate a man for being an ally and good to us and to do heels a heels class with your father.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then get this, he went a few classes after because he still loves a new
[SPEAKER_01]: but he went like a few more times like he still went to that class without me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Walk me through then the lower of your father because you he's giving dancer met your mom in that world He had three girls in a gay boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the girls is lesbianic Would you say that your dad has a bit of fruityness in him or just just happened to be like full throttle ally and just happened to be given the gay Lot of life
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say like my dad is like a feminine man like me like how I like you know Just kind of talk, but like yeah, he's very much like okay and come to one his own skin and he's always been that way So yeah, I mean, it's just been really wonderful how did I happen to Utah of all places because I feel like Utah every every gay person I speak to from Utah has like a pain behind their eyes and we shot them out
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you of the Mormon variety?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you left the church at 16.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found out my research.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the Mormon church?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I'm actually like where you were not Utah natives my family, so that also, you know, does help.
[SPEAKER_01]: I quit background there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was raised Mormon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I'm originally from Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: My dad and my mom are both East Coasters originally.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they moved to Colorado, met there together, met there and raised me there with my siblings until I, my twin and I were like, young, moved to Utah when we were like only eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then my mom split with my dad married a Mormon man and we were baptized before that actually, even my whole family was, but my dad and my older sisters never went really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my twin and I were then raised by a Mormon man from like nine years old to nineteen so I went to church I went I was raised Mormon and I went to church every day I'm in every day every Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know we have like the mutual Yeah family home evening We had all these things So yeah, I was raised in it, but never was your mom is your mom still with the Mormon man.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got him loose and as she has she left the church as well
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my twin, I left first, then my twin, and then my mom divorced him, she left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I think every religion has its own flavor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mormonism has a very specific flavor that it's, you know, and it's talking pop culture right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, but I think what's popular about it right now is that people are exposing the like fucked up or re of it, and I think in like how it's sort of manifest and so to hear, you're like, okay, your mom and dad split up, your mom married a Mormon, raised her kids Mormon,
[SPEAKER_00]: your dad's doing heels over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this like, like, I can see, like, your family needs a reality show, A of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be of all, I am, for people listening who doesn't know the full Maxwell Post lore, you really are an incredibly gifted photographer and creator and writer for people who don't follow Maxwell yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maxwell has photographed so many celebs, Christina Ricci, gay royalty, Ricky Martin, the drag queens, Trixie Mattel, Sasha Colby,
[SPEAKER_00]: you have shot the old gays, porn gays, Cheyenne Jackson, and so there are so many parts of your story that I love, but before we get into more of your photography, I just want to tell you that, for whatever reason, I thought you were Jewish.
[SPEAKER_00]: I left for when I first followed you I saw your hairy tits.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know why but to find a bit more men lower It's sort of shocking to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe it's deep in like my ancestry I get that sometimes like literally the other day someone was like so yeah like what'd you do for like this Jewish
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like now that there's a lot of short people in the Jewish faith they're obviously like the body here is a thing that maybe I just sort of I maybe projected on you Like you know, I don't know where I got my shortness from maybe I am Jewish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to do that like 23 and me thing because yeah I'm like mainly Austrian and Irish
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as well, my parents say have planned their talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't think we're like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: One day we'll do like a gay ass 23 in me where we sort of try to figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: The gay parts of your lore are historically speaking and I honestly don't hate the idea, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do want to give a bit of a tease because um, we are going to be doing a sub-stet conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to ask you about your gorgeous boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask you about all of the beautiful menu of photograph.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just did a photo shoot at a 30 million dollar house.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be asking you if you've ever flocked at one of those fancy shoots.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's a little tease for the listeners there, but let's get into the photographing of it all with all these crazy cool people you photograph has any of these celebs or people ever made you nervous or you kind of walk in always now knowing the gig and it never gets to you
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would like for date when I originally started to actually get jobs booking celebrities I would get very nervous But you know every time I was on sat and we started it was the job and I was just kind of always locked in
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I still always have like a little bit of nervousness in me, depending on the celebrity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how every guitar feels like this, but I kind of go in with like kind of expecting the worst always.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they always surprise me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we love to have a moment where you say to yourself, you should meet your heroes, because whenever meet someone that you adore and they're a total dick, that is devastating beyond.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, every, like, they understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're there for the job as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're there to get something taken.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we just, I'm very fond on set.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to have fun, you know, when I, when I photographed Ricky Martin, which was,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so many full circles being a young gay kid, living in LA, shooting celebrities not like even Christina Ricci, like I'm obsessed with the Adam's family and her in general and she was like, she was like, you know, so many Nicole, I saw her with my father.
[SPEAKER_01]: My father took me to posticat dolls and Britney Spears when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw Nicole and now we're friends and but Ricky, I remember I was photographing him at this house in Beverly Hills and
[SPEAKER_01]: At one point he's like, oh, like, let's go on this giant ottoman and I'm going to lay down and I was like, okay, so I like kind of like go and like this is when I was like kind of newer to photographing celebrity, so I am standing on the side of him, so he's laying down I'm standing here and he then wraps my ankle and he looks me in the eye and he goes, you can straddle me I was to and then as I straddle him, everyone on set goes like this and just starts photographing us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, I cannot believe that Ricky Martin just asked me to straddle him.
[SPEAKER_00]: My office chair is dripping with moisture.
[SPEAKER_00]: My computer is short circuiting from my drool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, to visualize Ricky Martin saying, you know you can straddle me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then from Maxwell, both to then do a full fan kick over his beautiful face.
[SPEAKER_00]: your shadow cast above his head and you just point and shoot baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely did.
[SPEAKER_00]: You shot and you shot all over him.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he sounds like someone who was very game as it were and a total total gem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you really nice?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you drop that you and Nicole Scherzen are friends now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, wouldn't say we're like besties banning mean, but we'll chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we definitely will chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when she like needs something like even photo wise, we'll have like send me questions to be like, I have questions like this and that, but that we're definitely not like besties banning means, but yeah, definitely I would say we're so are you excited about her performing a we hope prior this year?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even like, I'm sure she's busy but I even text her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, girl, I want to be the photographer on like BTS like let me know like I gotta do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, if you're listening, yes Nicole Nicole is a huge gas listener.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure, um, no, that's also a testament to you doing those sort of reach outs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is something that I'm trying to figure out like there's I don't know you in fact, this is something that is was going to be on the sub stack page, but I feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna pull it out for the main episode here.
[SPEAKER_00]: In January, you posted a very hot thirst trap to Twitter captioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five people were waiting to use the bathroom as I took this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next about, have you always been comfortable taking up space to other people who expect?
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it's one of my biggest pet peeves to not do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that I did that was hilarious, but you know, you're just out of the gym.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking good, you know, you got to like sex cells and even though like I'm not a model or anything like that, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to post it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to share it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to keep the followers.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so that's something interesting that I do sometimes like to get into on the main feed for the podcast, which is like growing up as a gay person, especially if you're in a religious setting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we are like projected so much shame onto us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't take up space, don't be visible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you are not only photographing people, but also posting some really great photos of yourself, whether you are clothed or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: would you say that you like got to a place where there was a flipped switch where you decided I want to be perceived or did you always know when you're gut that you deserved to take up space no matter if you're 55 or 84?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think I've always been that way, you know, just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, X Mormons to like we're a little feisty or a little, you know, repressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we like to like kind of get it out now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've always been that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was been just like, I mean, before I lay before I moved here, I was never like, as insecure, you know, but like you move to LA and everyone here is just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: working out shirtless at the gym and you're just like, okay, do I do I do I take my shirt off too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, does that just like get to do you feel like you are aware where would you say your insecurities lie or how they have they gotten louder as you photographed more and more beautiful people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I mean, I don't I wouldn't say like I'm fully insecure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like that guy that has like a nice body And I call myself like oh, I look so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look so like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look like that, but like I mean, it still gets to you like you see like the most ripped people In Los Angeles at your gym every day and you're like you're just like and on Instagram and on like the only billboards in LA are like
[SPEAKER_01]: movies, hot people like look like so it's just like it's just embedded.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like pushed on to you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's it's sort of a reminder of like no matter what generation you're in there's always going to be something to make you feel bad about yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we were kids we weren't on Instagram but we were getting like whether it was people magazine or just like the hot people that we were thirsting over in the JCPenney catalogs or the commercials or the
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, I don't look like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Abercrombie kids, and they had 25-year-olds modeling for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like- I'm like, the, and the body hair, but all, I feel like in the 90s and early odds, it was very much like not accepted or celebrated to be hairy, and so like, I had that whole thing that I talked about at Nazion, but have you always embraced your fur?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've never been like annoyed by it ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like sneezed at 19 and my twin death happened like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was just like, and I just got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very chest like beard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't grow my beard out really to a COVID, but yeah, I'm just gonna like, I just, I love that I'm hairy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and we do to we celebrate for on this podcast as much as we can as a rebellion against the Abercrombie bags that only showed smooth torso's.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your political opinion about Bush?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one?
[SPEAKER_01]: One or two?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's completely hereless, I kind of like think it's
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I'll still like, you know, I'll go for it if I'm into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I prefer it to not be like a naked mole rat, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want some hair there.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thank you for being on the right side of her story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's something that we've glossed over a bit, which is your love of Charlie's Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that as pop culture cleans here, it's important for us to acknowledge our mothers, Lucy Lu, Cameron Diaz, Andrew Barrymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you say, full throttle, Charlie's Angels full throttle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sorry for the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just second one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's time to one of those rare occasions where in my opinion the second film is better than the first one, but they are the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a sister act question because I find a sister act too back in the habit has improved upon the image.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this scenario, I've always been pulled towards Charlie's angel Charlie's angels number one simply because of
[SPEAKER_00]: 12 different scenes that made me gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to, can I kind of name drop for a second, Maxwell?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've become friends with a gorgeous, lovely couple, the August couple.
[SPEAKER_00]: And John August is a screenwriter, and he wrote the Charlie's Angels films.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was added dinner at his place recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said to him, I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy, he's a guy, a man, wrote Charlie Zangels, and so I said to him, I was like, John, can I tell you that I am obsessed with one of the most niche quotes from Charlie Zangels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the part where Cameron Diaz is doing the bird call.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like trying to figure out where they're where they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: She hears the bird call where where Bill Murray's in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, yeah, you know what that is, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just says whatever the name of the bird is,
[SPEAKER_00]: And for whatever reason Cameron Diaz doing the Burk on going car mal was so always so funny somehow from her lips Somehow is perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then John gave me a course the whole like he did the research to find out like what sort of burr would be in car mal blah blah blah It was just like a beautiful bass for class and finding out the gay genius that goes behind Yeah, the movies like Charlie's Angels
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the reason they are so good is because if you do camp and you do it right like the the fact is is the first one was so good and it was so camp because like it's a can't be story so if you successfully make it good cinema keep it camp keep it serious but I'm serious like they did like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect film and then the second one, they just like tied it in even better to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, okay, we're going to push it a little bit more, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, Cameron D is going to be spinning on a chair in the opening scene and like, like, 80 men falling out of the helicopter into a dam like, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to your point though, you are, as you said earlier, an action gay in a way, like you loved your women to be kicking us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, so many of, like, remember in the first Charlie's Angels where they're like, are climbing over the fence during a chase scene, then it's like when they do the full, like, and then scary movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: beautifully parody it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's another pop culture reference that I feel it's important for us to touch in on.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, on December 24th, you tweeted, I met these gaze at a party last night who told me they didn't like heated rivalry, so I stopped talking to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is why I don't tweet barely tweet because we're going to go on a gay podcast and have some of you Like 24th Well really the question is are there any other pieces of pop culture that would lead you to leaving a conversation if it got hate You know, I am just like
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for a contrarian.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for someone who wants to think differently, but I can read through your bullshit when you're just trying to be different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of actually having the opinion of being a contrarian, they that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just like, specifically from pop culture that people don't let, I don't know, I don't know if I could find that so quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, well, I think you're getting that something very important, which is that if you are a contrarian just to be different, it really can't be so fucking annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: something like heated rivalry did bring that up in some people, which was that if it's going to be a big deal, I'm going to wear a badge of pride to say that I don't like it even if I secretly do, because I don't want to be a part of the quote unquote mainstream.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's like a miracle piece of culture that the fact that it was able to be such a horny gay show and then get so much attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we can have improvements, like, yes, like, they're both hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, wow, like, of course, we can create all these arguments, arguments, like the argument in the tweet that made me start that was like, they're like, they're both like white.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, one isn't white.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually Asian.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, he might as they said, he might as well be white.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like what I tweet and I was like, I'm leaving this conversation like I was just like, was the person that was the person who said that a white gay?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they weren't which is what made me even like be a little more confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take my daggers out then and say, yeah, whatever they, I mean, listen, I, I understand Yes, any type of person over any type of like pop culture, you are so entitled.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think though like for something like he did rivalry It you have to really have a good argument and to say that they're both white.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a good argument
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was like, I get that he could he like, yes, he's like, he's half Asian descent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was maybe they're arguing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, I was like, they still not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't take that away from the Asian community.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, What's just like his experience?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, yeah, that gets into like shaky, shaky ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that like if if that to me is, don't like gaze to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed like so many times?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have that conversation because that is a generalization that is said and I do think it is true for some people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think though it's very clear to me when you meet someone who's just like, you know, they will champion other gaze, they are going to take something at like face value and then you'll meet someone who just like hates themselves so much that they can't be happy for other people and I will, I'm not going to name them obviously but
[SPEAKER_00]: most of the gays like comedians, podcasters, whatever, that I've met really are great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I could even drop some of the great, like my friends act, no wait hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about them last.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is such a fucking gem.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is...
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so many like think about like all the creators that have these big platforms like um uh do you know Dylan Carley know he hosts he was the host of some of this is bad a great podcast now he has yeah yeah he I've been asking him for advice on stuff he has blown up and he is still so kind um when I had Vincent Vincent came on the podcast and I was intimidated because I love Vincent's music and now every time I see Vincent out and about could not be nicer feels like
[SPEAKER_00]: Love and these are people that really champion then I could name which I won't like three gays who Actively All right, they're like dismissive or like make make sure that I know that I don't have their respect and of course I start to be like in my bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: They hate me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's what did I do wrong?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I realize it's just like I do think those gays are the minority I guess it's the point that I'm yeah, you're right, but there's always that argument I'm just like can we just be happy like we have a show where hot
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they're not hot, we don't have gay, gay guys fucking on screen and all of America or the world is watching this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a beautiful intimate relationship for all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was only sexual at first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it stayed sexy at times, but I think it was beautiful marketing, like sex cells, lure everyone in and then show them that they can act.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's stories are real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that like Conrestory could have won an Emmy for that that monologue and Russian and English like that was insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got chills.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an Emmy for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he will, they were, they're both going to have incredible careers and how cool to think that a horny gay hockey show catapult to their careers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I just think that we, we need to like, yes, acknowledge the gaze who can't be happy for other gaze, but also like celebrate the ones that are uplifting others and you need to me seem to be a gay guy that is not like a
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll always support my community and I'll always like be there for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I have a sassy side?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but only to my first.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, and by the way, gay sass is a time-honored tradition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am married to one of the biggest bitches I know, and I love him so much for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that doesn't, but he's still a very, you know, good person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that being said that you really do,
[SPEAKER_00]: celebrate so much of queer life.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, you founded Project Contrast, which is a non-profit highlighting the experiences of queer, youth, and rural areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: You publish a book called Young Queer America.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it really does feel like you are, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: giving attention to queer people who are growing up in places that are not really celebrating them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you say that you had any experiences as a young gay person that sort of inspired you to make their voices heard?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like my main thing in my work and what I want to
[SPEAKER_01]: like that's what I want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what my photography portrays that try to like, yeah, I don't have like themed photo shoots and editorials and this and that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I've had those opportunities and I've had those moments and very grateful for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, at the end of the day, like, um, like, I don't want to like dress Shion Jackson up in a 1960s outfit and make an editorial for a magazine for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to photograph you as you,
[SPEAKER_01]: feel seen and important because as a kid growing up, I never felt seen a lot of the times, you know, being growing up more men, my dad was gone a lot of my years, my mom was gone a lot of my years, so like it was basically my twin and I that raised ourselves a lot of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I just never felt seen and I never felt seen in my community and I never felt seen as in the only openly game boy in my town when I came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when did this kind of like when was my on our child, I guess, as well, I came out started started to come out in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like I graduated in 2011, so I was kind of like the last generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: of where kids not being out in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, of course, it still happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I came out in 2011.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I came out in 2010-ish and just started living my gay life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like senior year, I was already hanging out with Gaze and Salt Lake City.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was already hanging out with college kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was already sneaking into gay bars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you were.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started early.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is very brave, and I'm not just saying that like to be schmaltcy, I think that people often think about Utahs being sort of like a barren wasteland of, it's just straight white people, but I've actually been reading a bit about it, and there is a huge queer community especially in Salt Lake Street, and I think that it's, it does a disservice, a sort of negate the fact that there is a queer, a big queer community there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean you have to like quickly like just have to like take that narrative out because like I travel the country to document queer people in queer communities I've been to every single state almost and I've so I've I've seen every queer community that exists pretty much and like Dares there's a huge gay community queer community everywhere you go You know of course it'll be smaller at times or there's politically different just because of where you are but like they're We're everywhere and you we have to remember that and you'll be surprised where you go certain places
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 100, I mean, listen, I'm from St. Louis, Missouri and I felt like when I was growing up that I was the only gay person besides the guy who cut my family's hair and I felt that I would never meet another gay person until I left and now when I go back to visit my family.
[SPEAKER_00]: every single time I make sure to go to the gay bars I make sure to like you said heal your inner child by taking these photographs the way that I do it is by going out and realizing that like in the whole time there were people like me there and you know people listen to this all over the country all over the world like it it can feel so isolating but it's very important to find your people and find your community and I will say that
[SPEAKER_00]: there are going to be questions from me over on sub-stuck about your first gay experiences from a horny point of view because I think that is just as important as the spiritual embracing of our clearness.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will be asking about first boy kisses first.
[SPEAKER_00]: What the Salt Lake City D is like so let's make sure you know it's not eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are our press boys over there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay,
[SPEAKER_00]: to see I'm already wanting to ask you follow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do a press boy, spit in your face more.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, before we get into that though, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we've gone through your cheesecake factory, a political stance.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've gone through a bush.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've gone through your photographing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are there any people that you have not yet photographed that is on your bucket list, or maybe just creative experiences that you are gaping wide ready for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I mean that's so many people I want to photograph for sure, I don't necessarily have a list, but you know, I definitely would be like, oh, I want a photograph on them one day and you really never know who you're in a photograph because like there are days where I'm like, I'll get a
[SPEAKER_01]: email or call she and it'll be like someone I just like never assumed out photograph but I grew up watching them or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So are you giving freelancer vibes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you working for like a big agency like what is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm I've always been freelance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've never tried to have an agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably should at some point, but yeah, no, I just
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just, I just do it myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that does a feel mostly empowering or do you ever freaking out about like, is the next drop in the comb?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm very happy in the life that I have and like the jobs that I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, I'm really grateful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, live in the Los Angeles and like be like a full-time photographer here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and it will have always kind of been a full-time photographer here too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm pretty grateful there, but yeah, I mean, I'm the fatigue is real sometimes like sometimes I want to go the creative director somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go be an art director somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to like I direct more now, which is nice video work, but yeah, I think project wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to get further and more documentary photography and documentaries in general and really actually because the I started project contrast in 2017 and the stories I have and the people I meet that just aren't these kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that has nothing to do with, you know, like pictures say things in there that that things that I've documented are great, but like gosh, like it just be beautiful to be able to highlight them even more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like we're in a golden age of documentary right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like obviously true crime is its own thing, but I feel like outside of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many incredible documentaries that it's one of my favorite things to watch if I'm being honest, like I don't know if it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not proud of this but I used to watch intervention weeping and I think I watched it because it was like just like cathartic but also maybe again I proud of this but maybe because I was watching people's lives who were worse than mine and that like sort of like gave me the documentary bug of like just loving to see like the real gritty fooking story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But listen
[SPEAKER_00]: We do want to get over to Sub-Sack for these horny questions, so let me ask you before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The final gay ass podcast question max well, both which is, if the world was ending, you could only save one character actress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who would you save?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this would just be like an actress that I love, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That you said that were wager something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say my definition of character Actress is a woman over 40 who has worn one wig, one time, but people love to argue outside of those parameters so it's basically yes, a female Actress that you would die for or you think deserves to live and just someone that you absolutely adore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go Lehan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's up and brought up to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gave birth to Kate Hudson that beautiful Hollywood smile, you know, a few other actors that, you know, great love them with their dudes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Goldie Han.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always love chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: My I grew up watching overboard and all of her films and like I just want to be with her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to like be my mom sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, Goldie Han is such a gorgeous answer and I think that she really is the ideal character actress because she is stunning on camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can imagine having a white line with her and just
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, that's like top tier dream of mine to just even just like sit around a fire outside with her and just chat
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Maxwell, we're manifesting your Goldie Hanchat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Kate Hudson will be there as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are going to put our gay hands together and pray.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm also going to thank you for coming on this gay ass podcast and being such a Dern Peach.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please tell these listeners where to follow you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's anything that you would like for them to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can follow me just at my Instagram, Maxwell Post.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't tweet a lot, so you don't really need to go on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: My nonprofit's project contrast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just keep looking out for my projects and the things I'm doing and the things I'm going to accomplish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hellfoking, yeah, Maxwell, we're gonna head over to Substacks so I can ask you about your first boy boy kisses about some of your horny thirst traps and more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see you all over there, but for now, Maxwell, stay gorgeous, stay gay, and you're a star.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you on the other side.
[UNKNOWN]: Mmm.