[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forty-K-Lork, that's me, John Barsati, and Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we're starting our covers of the 19th Legion, known as the Raven Guard, with the focus on their founding, their early actions, and of course, to me, of their primarck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's me fun today, because we talked about a primarck who was able to be dropped off in a random planet and used the word high, instead of just murdering and torturing everybody there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, sometimes he would sneak around and, yeah, he just didn't actually, and I will say to help us really get into the character for the cast, Brad put your drops into his eyes to do their eye drops.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Brad can't see right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody has stealth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so I and our show notes have stealth today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, also.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like my plan of putting both sets of drops directly next to each other amongst my legion of medication.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just enjoy the fact that Brad came on to camera and I was like, have you been crying?
[SPEAKER_00]: The eyes are so red.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm your friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to tell me something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for you, buddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I care about you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're one of my best friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please tell me what's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put your drops in my eyes and they were eyes drops.
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably shouldn't have told me that you should just lie to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should just lie to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should have said yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am actually sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been crying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What have been better for you because now I know this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can show it on camera.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, 40K Lord cast weekly show focused in the lore of the Warhammer 40K universe releasing every money at 7 p.m. Eastern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually like Paris a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: People give it a lot of grief.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Filtower Compound Sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Louvre is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also give the French credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Louvre has basically as much stolen crap as the British Museum, but no one gets mad about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Hammarabi's code.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not French.
[SPEAKER_00]: Venus of Milo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also not French.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both just sitting there and hanging out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the truth is, Paris really is a wonderful city.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go there for walking with a nice things about a city that was built well before cars were made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it easy to walk around, Brad's upset, because his legs hurt, because he's short.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, although I will say, fun story and Paris, there are no stop signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you do need to watch out what you're walking, not that the French drivers would have stopped anyway, and you know I'm right, our French listeners.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also have the oldest cafe in the world, the Proculpe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Procup, it's Procup, 1686.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have been there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a cafe and I've had a pastry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never delicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go to Paris, you actually will have a really good blast if you just know how to have a good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can the food is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the scenery's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: The chocolates are nuts every time I go there, I have to go about past Patrick Gojje and bring that home because my wife requires it and she's correct, it's freaking amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's cold out, you can get Vinny Show on the street, just walk around drinking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the museums are wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their warm museums, great, the Louvre's great, all them are incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing you gotta watch out for is their art street performers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if one of them's doing the robot and then you do the robot, you may get in the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: just that's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, lastly, the discord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great way to interact with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can request coaching from Brad there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, especially now that we're in closer to 11th edition, a lot of lore is changing, but also the game itself is changing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great getting like direct advice from people, but I think the discord's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's better to go to an area where it's more a plurality asking lots of people, hey, how would you do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: great way to learn lots of interaction there, but even just the memes in general chat are fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a real community there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is free.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've mentioned that in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: No discord should be disparage everywhere that has not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's no reason to charge for discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one's ever been able to give me an actual reason other than I'm selfish So if you forgot to mention Friday night fights, we had TTS games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a Friday fights But seriously like a discord making a discord doesn't cost me anything and it's easy I will charge you for access the things that cost me time and money nothing's a dot
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, it's actually funny, the Ravenguard, as we talk about Ravenguard, they're kind of the death watch before the death watch came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what are the things they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to get into it a little bit more, but like they actually found out stuff without killing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they did the assassinations, they did all the stuff in the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also sometimes were just there to find out,
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, what's actually happening on this world?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a single person leading, you know, revolting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just them a fight thinking they can negotiate with the Imperium to get better, you know, ties with them that or is this completely something that we need to put down?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were really good at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys, that mean they,
[SPEAKER_01]: would appear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as usual, I'm ready for you to give the obvious ones, which is these guys would sneak into places and according to the stories, sometimes just be part of the populist somehow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the Steve Buschimi, hello fellow citizens of random world A. I will get them credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get to it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did.
[SPEAKER_00]: cover that with Corex a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's get into the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like every Legion, the 19th Legion, the Emperor had something in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like every Legion, he could only look half bothered to focus on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just true.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea we have to assume behind a 19th legion was then to be like a force recon, where they would infiltrate behind enemy lines, it operates small groups, and they would work to shape coming battles.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd use reconnaissance to map enemy emplacements, they'd use stealth to forward deploy heavy weaponry or explosives, and they'd do assassinations, key targets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea, you know, pausing, I'm sorry, it's just, you were so right.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I didn't even realize until you were talking about it how death watch they were before death watch exists like this death watch what death watch does right now by the way same paint scheme so like bombs off and so the early warrior's the 19th were skill to these actions kind of a bit of other everyone else however they're a bit more savage in a deployment of them and this is because the
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way to explain it, which is ironic, because he's the most powerful being in Galaxy, he's more of a, will fix it in post kind of guy, you know, let's talk about, we're a big fan of and talk about where the drew his guys from, hey, I want them to yeah stealthy, let's draw from the guys that are at a constant murderous war, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things, and they do stealthy things,
[SPEAKER_01]: with murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's they're called the Zerach and the Zerach tribes were in a region that's called the agiatic dustfields.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like basically the southern part of the Asia continent and I'm so proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one, but all the words perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What not a lot is known, but what is known is that it's a collection of different people's in this area.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they spent basically millennia fighting each other along with their neighbors and it affected what they talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, don't just say it's not like they had border skirmishes.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys were just at war.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the other, but much, much larger faction, by the way, that was directly next to them, effectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had that one, but they also fought with each other because the problem is that these are the agiatic dust fields.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot of resources there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're having to kind of conquer resources over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to the people in the European and American regions, these wars also were a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: In those regions, you had a lot more resource and a lot more people, so it was a lot more direct conflict.
[SPEAKER_00]: Massive wars were being fought where huge weapons were being brought to bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Zerak were more about sub-derfuge and cunning, kind of picking up their enemies, avoiding direct conflict, striking fast, striking hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go, Brad, try to gain to the upper hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then once you get up, I don't see it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get control and hold it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, there is naturally good at recon because they had to make sure when they hit, they hit really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when the emperor first deployed the 19th, this was his main goal because a lot of the techno barbarian tribes of old Earth were what I would call smart cowards.
[SPEAKER_00]: They knew immediately upon looking at the emperor that this isn't going to work for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're going to lose this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's on their warriors like hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was one hard pass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the upper of the Thunder Warriors did a shock in all campaign pretty well because those guys were just wreck-facing people and then you're like, yeah, I saw the vids of you doing stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm on your side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I let me care what your side is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on that side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this caused two things would happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thing number one is somewhat bend of the knee immediately, but it wasn't a real bend of the knee.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was bend of the knee and then hide the knife behind their back.
[SPEAKER_00]: The others would see him coming and they just fortify down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we talked about this a little bit in the night Lord's cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a discreated challenge for the emperor because he's got multiple things happening at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got regions that were loyal going into rebellions as he turns his back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he can't just keep attacking those guys because he becomes a peer-acvector.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, he just destroys the region so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually has no value anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it weakens his forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he could, in those scenarios, he would use the eighth legions at times to basically say to the people, you guys keep her belling.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to call her skin off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the people would say, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: It no more rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so funny because they're very alike in their skills, but they use them so differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it man, you're hoping the 19th shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the 19th and completely opposite, the 19th came in and they cut off the head of the snake and then they rallied the populace.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took try to take control of the populace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rallyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, air quotes, they really rallied populace.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would also want to be a leader, and we know when we know when else raised their hand, they went, so I guess it's the emperor again, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone, yeah, it's not like they killed one leader, but then anybody that had an opinion that was a little too loud, got lightning clod.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's their viewpoint was, oh, they're rebellion, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They start killing top down to people stop saying rebellion, and just going, yeah, emperor, cool, because we've established this, that's more their system.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it also helped them when they had to undertake missions into the people who were resisting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the idea was they could also forward deploy and take out the leaders before they get the shields up and do all this other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if the emperor shows up with thunder warriors, although it's funny, the more we talk about these, the more you realize, the thunder warriors were there for a bit, but there's a lot of us star days.
[SPEAKER_00]: doing the unification wars, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: That lore has shifted.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, nobody, nobody of the Thunder Warriors ever thought about, do I have to update my resume on LinkedIn?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly like there's a lot of training your replacement going on looking around going so these guys are faster than me smarter than me and you guys in the like them a lot more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also they're equipped with it's significantly better by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have armor on their legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the issues that starts to come up is the Zerak tribes, their philosophy, became a pre-challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because after centuries of conquering one another, they'd grown, will call it a suspicious eye to people they'd brought to heal, and it's because they'd learned that basically all opponents would submit when you place a knife to their throat.
[SPEAKER_00]: but when you take the knife away, what do they do?
[SPEAKER_00]: So for this reason, the Zerach tribes would brutally subjugate people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the 1990s, we had our first movie quote that we could have used, because those people had my control of Debo.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least you're f***ed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be quiet when he leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talk again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that wouldn't have been an Oscar.
[SPEAKER_00]: it did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's funny is that this form of subjugation of the Zarynx did became an issue as they became a star days because they were doing this as regular humans, but now they're superhuman soldiers, which they began to become almost sociopathic with the level
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were tight loading stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was the same host.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just a bunch of say they they have a lot of similarity, sorry, even good fans, but you were a lot like the night lords in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're the or we're like the iron warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would give you the night lord's reason why I ask is the night lord's when they conquered a populist would just leave and it was somebody else's problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of it more like the iron warriors who they were pederobo we're going to get there we'll get there soon like guys we're just I'm building an iron warriors army right now I'm just waiting to see if we get pederobo back and then we'll do an iron warriors cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But iron warriors were dirty in the way that they conquered people.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the beginning, the Ravenguard were a combo of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were vicious as far as they were doing night lord hang.
[SPEAKER_01]: You people off the rafters, but they made sure that there was nothing to rebel when they left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't all the way up to genocide, not that Malcolm or Amber would have cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go with post.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we continue, there is one kind of key piece about the 19th lesion, and GW did some cool writing on it, and then went totally blah with it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: GW went a direction with Ravenguard and then much of the white scars decided to stop with it at some point, and I'm really mad that they did this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because technically, the Ravenguard, the 19th lesion, were the first inquisition force.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Canada, yeah, they were the fourth order malice.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the original order malice.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting into that in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of wild that they were written to be this way, and then not just didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's dive into that, because I think this is one of the coolest parts of their lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: 30th millennia, the gods of the war obviously are well established because Slonesh had been born and that wasn't subtle, and to this end, yeah, and they had power, yeah, people can look at it, yeah, the sky's broke, exactly, like it's.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the chaos gods are around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Emperor of mankind is aware of them, mostly because, you know, he talked to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Emperor felt that humanity would react to the presence of demons, the way Scooby and Shaggy do to a ghost.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was really invested in no one in humanity, ever even knowing that the work powers exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he does, with such a lot of his plans.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he does, okay, that part of the plan's bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: This part of the plan was good, though, because what he decided was we need someone to specialize in dealing with this and have to not tell anyone about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That part's kind of stupid, but the first part is smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's come to someone to specialize in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he uses the 19th Legion, which, and we'll explain more later, has to do with their primarck, is why he does this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he uses the 19th Legion to go after this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're gonna start with a really cool story, which is, it's spread across a couple of different books
[SPEAKER_00]: small paragraphs here and there, but it's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's called this air called Ursh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ursh was ruled by techno barbarian named Colagon, and the Ursh were an oddity at the time, because while they were called techno barbarians, they actually weren't very tech heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were actually sorcerers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were just, yeah, they were magic heavy, and it's called the Chronicles of Ursh, which is significantly
[SPEAKER_00]: It's his old manuscript called the Chronicles of Erich.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing appears randomly in different books, guys, but it's always referenced very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a firsthand account of the rise of the Calaga of Calaga and the Erich.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what makes it interesting, it was originally viewed as a work of fiction, meant to be similar like King Arthur, where the setting
[SPEAKER_00]: and the time and place are similar to real events, but the actions are all made up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's because the stories chronically in the earth involve magic and demon demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I should obviously do not exist by those.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like those don't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that this was written more.
[SPEAKER_01]: We used the example King Arthur stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was more like Gilgamesh, with a, because he has a scribe with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no, it's more of a Gilgamesh in that sense recently with King R. videos because Gilgamesh is almost set in the fantasy world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the whole is the Chronicles of Urish is set.
[SPEAKER_00]: It on Terra, the Urish do exist because that's why King Arthur King Arthur was the King of the Britain's.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Britain's exist now.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's multiple versions of King Arthur.
[SPEAKER_00]: The best one is the Monte Python version.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is why the whole story, but that obviously later on we discover it's a completely factual account of what was going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Calagon and the Urge were unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to conquer these lands of Old Terra, but they didn't use genetically enhanced super soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Emperor had Thunder Warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't unique by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone had their own version of Thunder Warriors, just the Emperor's ones were better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most warlords actually had
[SPEAKER_00]: They genuinely had super soldiers, super weapons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were more like, oh, they were, no, yeah, of course, to be honest, like Thunder Warriors weren't over and plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they also didn't see it in the future very well, because they, yeah, you should have seen the ready was in the wall, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the, what happened was that most nation states relied on and possibly powerful weapons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me talk about this in our coverage of the salamanders where they had to dig down and up and india under a void shield, that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of these super weapons and super soldiers did all these great things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the urge fired mind bullets, which always makes you think of Gary and Anchorman too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, every time we do psychic powers, I always think of Anchorman too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Caligan would go to war with regular humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: They looked like regular humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They looked like regular humans look for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they were like, but she's way there's looked like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would walk out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone else has got these juiced up super soldiers who are drooling and carrying plasma cannons.
[SPEAKER_00]: The calian are showing up on the battlefield with these regular humans, but they would then perform like super soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why is the calagan were worshipers of chaos-individed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're basically fighting like a seventh edition for UK Army.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're melee warriors are corn.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have regular dudes who are fighting like thunder warriors because corn is fully behind them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fast attack our slenash next.
[SPEAKER_00]: You talk about this at some of the guys who work with speeders They're moving like elder speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're in great impossible because they are in but with slenash Thanks to Nurgle, they're releasing the plagues of flies, plagues of stuff and just also just
[SPEAKER_00]: messing with the food and supplies of opponents.
[SPEAKER_00]: So also, and then, of course, they're ace in the hole, which was the zinech psychos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember if this is Horace rise, I think this might be Legion, which is the of the thousand songs book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think it's Legion, but they would do
[SPEAKER_00]: horrifying things.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do crazy stuff because they effectively cast almost exclusively maladicians, blinding, fusing, slowing, but they also were summoners, like very, very good summoners.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dirty thing is they wouldn't summon in their own lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would summon in the enemy line.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is you're getting blinded, you're getting confused, and then all of us sudden, I'm over with a full blown blood thirst, but I think we have to have to be a blood
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, and very ripping it crazy stuff on that because remember also they're wrecking your supplies and they're effectively sending demons into your back lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, good strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can summon demons under the opponent's backboard edge, could call, but so this is a huge issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for the emperor, he needs not only unify earth by defeating the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to eliminate the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to die in all evidence of their powers needs to be erased, but the earth were actually too powerful for his thunder wars to handle alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he brought in the 19th Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: because for the conquest of the earth, she had to deploy in a way that's a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: The 90th legion ends up doing what becomes prototypical for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They break into small groups, it's those like special forces groups, and they deploy around the region setting up the
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's just death watch and the emperor because the emperor knew as soon as he launched his force at the Caligan The Caligan would bring everything to bear so the 19th set themselves in positions to strike from flanks and from behind
[SPEAKER_00]: But the more important piece was also to cut off in a scape, because the Emperor wanted to end the Caligan.
[SPEAKER_00]: The irony is we're at the Horace, and a little bit less becomes kind of the 19th specialty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because my theory is that the Emperor knew
[SPEAKER_00]: that if he could hit the call again hard enough in the battle, again, barris them, the chaos gods would abandon them because they always was ever knows the chaos gods better than anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he knows if the battles on win of all very quickly, the chaos gods won't imbue them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the chaos gods think they can be redeemed or has the counter, they'll keep pump and powering them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the battle comes and it is decisive.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Emperor is decisive.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kill everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: they stop existing and there's a decisive and then there's no living members on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two kind of cool bits that come out of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one is the armor that Colligan that the warlord has called an armor of pearl.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually sits in the gates of terror now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just the way that they've written it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's implied this.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something special about this
[SPEAKER_00]: And this isn't a, oh yeah, we have a war trophy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's implied this may be actually helping power some element of the war powers inside of the, in, but it's the grand table, if I could call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the things that's power in the fact that it's got a cyanic barrier around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so the ampersh took that and shoved it next to his gate and was like also the biggest hypocrite in the galaxy because he's consistently using stuff this year, but there's a couple things that happen here, the problem I call him pre- raven guy, they're raven guy, the 19th Legion
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 90th Legion becomes these people that are mentally imbalanced, but keeping it together kind of because they want to go out and just get their murder on, but they also want to show their effectively crazy cats bringing dead things to their master because they want to impress the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those were a couple of things that they'd go wrong here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So post this battle, you get three things occur to the 19th Legion, group number one, effectively black rage.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get people who the interaction with this level of siker and this level of fight, they become overwhelmed with
[SPEAKER_00]: mental faults, and they become suicidal in their desire to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the best example it's between black rage and repentia.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just need to go fight until they die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the majority I think have the mini black rage, but they call it we're keeping the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, there's the three groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the majority of them are just kind of like, whoa, something messed up happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the next group is the one that we're just going to do a little side for because it's one of my favorite models in all of 30 K, Moritats.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I just desperately want to figure out a way to put these guys into my new iron world or his army, and I can't, so I'm bounced like I figured this out away, because more tots are incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a bunch of these guys who are affected, they got almost black rage of light, so they've got the black rage where they need to kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: They desperately need to kill, but they've got enough mental capacity to be decently strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I would compare them
[SPEAKER_00]: meets Blackrage in the sense that I want to kill like I have the Blackrage, but I'm just okay with dying the way a Kriegsman is so I have enough mental faculty to listen, but I know I'm this is a suicide mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care
[SPEAKER_00]: and the Moritots I love because they are basically peacemaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best way to explain them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are super killers that deploy solo to just destroy enemies.
[SPEAKER_00]: The model's awesome by the way, I just can look at that up in 30 K, but the art for them's better than the model even.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they are armed with a very pair of Volkite pistols or plasma pistols and a jump pack.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were basically inceptors before being inceptors cool and they had to work in packs of three or six.
[SPEAKER_00]: They worked in solos.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Correx, much later, joins the Legion, he looks at these guys and goes, well, they're gonna be awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it starts using them all over the place, firing them into enemy lines or having it infiltrate and pop up at a nowhere to raise hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite thing about them is they become these super assassins, which is just the super messed up scene and my brain, basically, where this, I don't know how they infiltrate this well, but an entire command squad is just doing something
[SPEAKER_00]: out of the shadow, walksy, all black power armor space marine with two plasma pistols powering up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Volk and display all systems, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Volkite war plasmids, one of the two usually probably Volkite because it's a lot nastier.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just kills everyone in the command center.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's that scene in the movie was about the flashes in the command center.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they would die for it, but that's what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys just infiltrate everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or they just come out of the sky in the middle of the enemy lines and go, yeah, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm going to die, but I'm taking a bunch of you out.
[SPEAKER_00]: the best part of all of them because obviously I'm going to talk about Gilliman is involved Gilliman with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were primarily a raven guard force and then Gilliman lost a bunch of simulations the raven guard and the major turning point, all the simulations he lost were the moratots.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he went, all right, they would show up in the middle of crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for no because they made because he couldn't plan for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he decided to make because they were murderers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, because the idea is so we're just sacrificing a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he's taking everyone with him on the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he made suicide murder smurf and put them into the ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm just letting you know these guys rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're super available.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: How you can fit him into your 2K Army.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea, but they're awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, back to the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break after the events
[SPEAKER_00]: The unification of Tara is complete.
[SPEAKER_00]: The emperor sets his site on the galaxy of large.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he does his normal thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He secures a support of Mars, now if he was secure soul, which is, by the way, oddly messed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just what called us out real quick, almost every planet and moon throughout the galaxy had to have some extra fight on it, where they go to other systems, oh yeah, we fought into planets and we're good to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody was fortified and had an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just really weird, and it wasn't even like, oh, it's a bunch of humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to go, there's random Z-nose all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, remember after you're not just Z-nose, we're gonna have, they're gonna continue on with psychics.
[SPEAKER_00]: The psychic demons, Z-nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, now, that's the story starts, okay, and then falls apart pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the places they have to conquer is Jupiter, and unlike with Neptune where they made them conquer Neptune, which is an ice plant, you can't, they realized Jupiter is a gas giant.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't conquer Jupiter, we have to conquer its moons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they chose one of the moons that they had to conquer, that's in the region, that is in the 90th Legion too, it's called Vice-Sithia.
[SPEAKER_00]: and spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: This story is cool, but someone should have looked something up before they wrote this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I say that is La Citiah has a diameter of 49 kilometers.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Earth's moon is 3500 kilometers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lisitvia has a total surface area of 7500 square kilometers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's smaller than Metro London, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's smaller than Puerto Rico.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's less than a third of the size of Sicily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking this stuff up this morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we could, it took the US.
[SPEAKER_00]: 30 days to conquer Sicily in 1943.
[SPEAKER_00]: With 180,000 troops and the Emperor sent 100,000 space Marines to a place a third of the size of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying there's other moons.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what pisses me off.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's guinea made, there's Europa, there's a bunch of other moons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pick one of the normal ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they pick the one that's the size of a postage step?
[SPEAKER_00]: That out of the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Placithia is controlled by a second xenon race, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in retrospect, it's a second xenon race that was totally aligned with chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: The emperors specifically sent the 19th legion to deal with this incursion because they were becoming his anti chaos region.
[SPEAKER_00]: without and with again, still not being told about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this so good?
[SPEAKER_00]: They sorry if we don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe it's true about it because that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're becoming like the dark angels for Xenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are for like the, well, there's some, it might be chaos in terms of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and my assumption is if there will be demons there, the 19th went.
[SPEAKER_00]: So nothing's recorded on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no imperial records about the battle, which makes sense, but we just know there's a massive cost every single human settler on the moon dies, which may have been during the battle or after the battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of the Legionnaires died.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got ton of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of those that survived, they were pretty messed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them were so messed up that the Emperor heavy air quotes here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We called them back to Tara.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you see that again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he recalled them back to Tara in a box because they got killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were all recalled back there and no one ever saw them again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they were dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they were, I don't think they went and were farming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, they could steal, they got sent to live in a farm up state.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they probably saw some extra messed up stuff there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were, are me getting one to the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inquisition for a weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those that did survive would wear a special patch on them, that they'd fall down like Cynthia.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Domestup from there the 19th Legion no important days they don't get their primarq for a while for a really long time Horax might be the last one is he if to look again, but he was off to Africa super late Yeah, they were well into the crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're actually Corex gets discovered, and then the heresy happens not too long after.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Corex is one of the last ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong on which ones, but let's say he's one of the last.
[SPEAKER_00]: So 19th Legion don't have a primarke for a while, but their skills in fighting they're really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace, obviously, is one of the first primarks that get discovered.
[SPEAKER_00]: He starts looking over all the other legions and goes, well, these guys are kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: especially because they compliment the Lunar Wolves really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't covered the Lunar Wolves who are actually little.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quicks was last.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Elfarius was effectively last, but he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Elfarius is tricky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Elfarius is first and last because it's Elfarius, which is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Corex is last second to last.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the Lunar Wolves we haven't covered them, and we'll get them at some point, but it's the quickest side here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lunar Wolves style of combat was called the spear tip, and it's shocking all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would stage themselves really well, and they would diagnose the enemy's position in fortifications, and then with a sudden and very brutal strike, they would attack aiming at the heart of the enemies, basically the seat of the command, pierced the heart, and then spread out from
[SPEAKER_00]: And this strategy's super cool on paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, because one, this operates like a lot of college football in the fact that your plan works.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I have bigger faster guys than you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's quite reasonable sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You step away from my Ohio State book, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace, when the championship blaster, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big 10 school did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be picked up their quarterback as their first pick, but so for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very, to be honest with you, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, history says yes, but now, but Horace does this whole spirit hit he crushes, but you need better guys now Horace typically did have the better guys he's showing up on the head on abadont and the just area so like he gets to do that
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it doesn't really work unless you go, hey, I have all of the best people that roll with that real, sirly guy with the top knot, by the way, and that's crazy over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but the problem they run into is that what happens when the opponent actually has, you know, real guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for Horace, you realize that the 19th solve a problem form, because they are exceptional.
[SPEAKER_00]: at infiltration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could infiltrate like a marine and centurion armor, nine inches away from the opponent's appointment zone.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, I would never have done that, John.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have never, I would have never, I would have never, I would have never, I would have used to completely do, but rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a, us through the assault team with centurions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: 2016 was a wild year of like, so first turn I'm going to charge my assault centurions into your line because I got the first turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Elvio finals with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... so this allows horse to do a few things the first one is unparalleled reconnaissance because as we've established over and over and over and over again scanners don't work in the future at all and the ability to infiltrate the star days near enemy lines together until was crucial
[SPEAKER_00]: The second one, more matters for the way the Luna will fight is it could deploy supplies.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Luna will because of when you go to hit the headquarters, most enemies don't put their headquarters at the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this is so fun because it's just straight video game, because their supply drops on the way your main character is fighting its way through and you're
[SPEAKER_00]: That was he would power it up supply caches on the route that the loona wolves were going to take into the little was could travel lighter and they could basically run faster like the dawn is running through and grabbing like I don't power claw power out says he's going through I don't know it looked like a little exclamation mark you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the other one was they would also set traps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as the lunar wolves would charge into the headquarters, obviously the defenders would want to rush to support, but all of a sudden a key bridge or a roadway would explode or they'd just find themselves facing a bunch of hidden dug-in of star days who would just shred them as they came through.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my favorite one he did was actually preventing escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what these 19th would do is as an enemy leader would crumble, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The leadership, they're all dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's falling apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: People would try to run away.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of us suddenly 19th was our shooting at him for random angles to kind of steer them into a different trajectory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the trajectory would either, if Horace wanted everyone dead, would steer them into a kill zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you wanted them to surrender, you would steer them basically into the front of all of his land raiders.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like, so do you want to surrender now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I can just open the doors and bad thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so these two legions perfectly complement each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it a lot because this is one of the few times where GW does kind of call out that the legions aren't all equal, that like the Luna Wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: can be sneaky.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just not as good at it as a 19th.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the 19th can hit hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just not as good at it as a little wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: The 13th Legion obviously is immune from all those comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are perfect at everything and don't really help any lesser union and all the lesser legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a problem for lesser legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in 19th, though, are about to get a pretty nice boost with the rival of their primarck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me, and uh, hold on guys, let me back up a little bit because John's going to take so much offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I hate his name so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, we should open up like where you, but I, in my mind, with you wrote these notes down, you just had to have a couple of drinks and just went screw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell everybody what I think about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kiss me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started doing this and popped in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once upon a midnight dreary while I potted weak and weary over quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, never more and never more.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just pops instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it pops instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the naming mechanic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So his name is Corvus Corrax, which is the binomial name for the common raven, which is also, by the way, the binomial name of the common raven is also stupid because Corvus is Latin for raven and Corrax is Greek for raven.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the common raven is called raven raven.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the head of the raven guards name, it's a binomial for the common raven and it is raven raven.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just this breaks my soul how stupid this is and also dick move gw common raven There's a bunch of really there's the caldean crow it's like the largest is corvist monodoludius
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit hard to say, but the thick build, Corvus Casa Ratellius, or just to screw it, do the Australian one, Corvus or Roo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just why is it to be the common rating?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the primar, make him a special.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm saying, make him a special.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, all right, tangent over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, you had this rant as a guy asked you to hand him something, get the grocery store, and then you said him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You chewed you all the distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you understand what they could have done and then just rather common raven what a lame nickname mechanic it's like as I was saying Did you hand me that box please?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sir, this is a Wendy's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked you if you wanted to make it a super sized.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Correx got whisked away to somewhere crappy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, in the bow of the galaxy, sits segmentum tempestus, and at the bottom of the bow, sits the world formally known as Key of R. Key of R was settled during the Golden Age of Technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: and are trying to do a manufacturing hive world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Dasm stretching out for John the shit on our last cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, key of our became a very powerful hive world during kind of the dark age, because it was itself mentally wealthy, but it had three moons orbiting it, all of which were also mentally wealthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: much like Nostrom, but yeah, I'm coming after it's hard now.
[SPEAKER_00]: On TFR, there are tech gills and these tech gills, you know, enslave the local populace and force them to work on the mines.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very sci-fi style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're run by dictators who just employed a brutal military who really was more to
[SPEAKER_00]: Not the fend them because there really weren't no attackers because of where they were but just beat down the local populist like any solid tin pot dictatorship would do I'd say I'd go straight with Pol Pot
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Popeye just killed everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more actually stolen because the whole idea is anyone who's a dissident who upset him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he would send to the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: Send to the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the moons were Siberia.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll give you that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So over a millennia, the population though starts to accept but not accept their fate.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've never actually had a caste system that the people who rule key of our are better than us and they're in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that there's a better solution here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say, I think there's a better set-up of much, a lot more to the populist because they have that whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd like to do something about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But every time there's been even talk of a revolution, it's been put down horrifically, we need someone to spark the fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it comes, co-racks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so is corax so Vester Stallone and Demolition man?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, I didn't help it, but the three shelves thing is fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so corax appears in a mining shaft on one of them on the moon like chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the timing of this is kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This miners are basically walking into the shaft as he appears because they were looking for a new vine to tap because, yeah, it's what they have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: and due to the location, the guards and the overseers are unaware of the child.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this allows them miners to see them and steal them away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And hide them and we'll get more on them that in a minute here, away from them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the overseen guards authorities aren't aware of his existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they take Corx back to the slave encampment, where he's raised by the people there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, that's what, by the way, that's what, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of just murdering everybody,
[SPEAKER_00]: He decides, hear me out, to be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is a lot of thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like to correct the story on this because of the fact that, chorus in, in the end, it's a prison movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's cool, classic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's organizing slowly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a grassroots thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's also learning from all these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes about
[SPEAKER_01]: learning from all these different groups of prisoners about what's going on in the world, what's the situation, what's life like on the moons, the planet, everything else, and basically how unfair it is, how the populist has been put down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Goex slowly but surely begins to develop a plan basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so he didn't just start
[SPEAKER_00]: And all while saying, why will no one be my friend?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what did you skip that steak?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because from an early age, his primary, every primary has a specific thing that they can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have their personal power, their charisma, his psyche, whatever, be a god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corex's, he's ninja stealth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, yeah, he just is one of the coolest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he was showing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he's a giant, but guards would look,
[SPEAKER_01]: legitimately directly through him effectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't generally a very good job here because this does call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a slave population.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slaves are malnourished.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got all these slaves and then a ten foot tall 500 pound.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's just wandering through.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Jim has to dress it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why did no one notice him?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would stand in front of a guard and the
[SPEAKER_01]: It remember, the warp isn't just bad, but the warp is power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a deep connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's see, I disagree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Correx, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are all warp entities.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, more so than the other one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the different everyone had warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone they thought he has.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has less flesh and casing out of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all because he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a warp being.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's using more powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: innately from the beginning from as soon as he's yeah clicks on he's this but I like this quite a bit because he's going from place to place going around and he starts effectively getting groups together and I'd like this so much because he doesn't just go I grab four news and we killed some guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he spends some serious time developing cells all across everywhere and gets everybody ready in probes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they make a big point of this in the stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correx does a lot of his initial stuff sets the stage for getting his leg back and what he does because he does all these small actions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they lead into Hugh Jackson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he starts making a giant plan to help the people of the planet, you know, something
[SPEAKER_00]: Angron did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's little con Rhett's the only one who didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just calling it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Angron did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mortarian did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Magnus did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did I get in charge of his planet?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was dignified.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Con Rhett's planet was terrified of whatever he says just do.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel that's still in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only way wasn't elected leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over time, what interesting thing to know about Corax though is with his ability to have people not see him, it doesn't work on sensors, they do us call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will trip sensors.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can be seen by cameras.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's literally using the force.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's using the Jedi mind trick on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really, I like, I like Conrad lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will never see him in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like Conrad a lot because his powers are,
[SPEAKER_00]: Guess who edits.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Correx a lot and the Ritalic Correx lives because his powers are real his powers seem to be More secondary where he doesn't Channel the warp and cast spells he just has the warp around him innately all the time now I hate what they do with him later with a stupid wings that is stupid jetback We'll talk about that in the next cast, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I do have an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, but I have an issue with his plan is
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets a grass roots.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing a prison break.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got no.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets freedom fighters and then his plane is bananas man.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just literally sets off so many nukes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so dirty, it's, it's, it's, it's his plans actually clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I said, I just, I just, I just, I love his plan because his plan is he conquers the moon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they rise up on like this, they quickly conquer like us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he does it so hard and so fast that as soon as the surface of key of our tries to attack back, he has complete control of all the moon's defenses.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he just repels everything they send back up at him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's sitting up there independently.
[SPEAKER_00]: The issue is, what do I do about this main planet?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he finds, because they always do, a giant collection of nuclear weapons that just hang it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the command, like, the plan's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, you had to put a couple extra season there, because he's now collateral damage, co-rex.
[SPEAKER_00]: he said to the middle places, but not but here's in that many.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't exterminate us the surface.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he does is his super cleveries, there are the congravity well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically, there are these, when you're mining from the moon to get back down to the planet, they built these basic grab shoots for like a little bit of phrase.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he takes a nuclear bomb and shoves it inside of like a transport that's supposed to be going up
[SPEAKER_00]: We know where this came from.
[SPEAKER_00]: GW stole this from.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he drops it down into the heart of all the major hives, blowing them up from the inside, which then turns all these hives into just like nightmarisons.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all start collapsing on themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: The tech guilds now start turning on each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as he's sitting up on the moon, he's watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: a civil war erupt below him.
[SPEAKER_00]: As this happens, there's a sensor going off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a cool part of the book about a shuttle coming in and a bunch of his fellow rebels, they should be shoot it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, no, that one's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not to make it a parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is one of my favorite scenes in the book though, because the Emperor as we've said before, projects himself and you see him as he wants to be seen by you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes off.
[SPEAKER_00]: He walks off the ship solo and the entire deck drops to a knee because they see a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is an except for Corax, whose Corax has warp site.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corax sees the Emperor's true face.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the only people
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not described the book, but he sees a man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he basically sees like Simon Pegg walk off of the ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's like, yeah, everyone's dropped to any worship thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like, what, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys all doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he really, he doesn't, it doesn't register to him, but so important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Emperor walks over to him and they wander off together to go have a conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They like this quite a bit because why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, you wouldn't have as many problems if he would have done it, but the emperor sits down and maybe this is another reason why he's so loyal and gets a lot of stuff done, the emperor sits down and talks to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: at length, about yes, which by the way, bet you a bunch of your other sons would really like this talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the only time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The emperor actually, again, makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So fine, it's that's the baby of the family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get everything they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what this is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the youngest.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he gets all the best stuff because it is wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sit there for two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the emperor explains to him basically everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He explains to him the warp, demons, his brothers.
[SPEAKER_00]: He even called up Corx.
[SPEAKER_00]: One point says, so I'm the 19th.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that verse says, no, you're the 17th.
[SPEAKER_00]: And applying, he's already killed the other two, which he would have at this point too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he gives him all this information.
[SPEAKER_00]: The book doesn't tell you, it doesn't call it all this stuff, but it says, you have to leave him a quiet brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that he probably told him about chaos and stuff because his legion was already fighting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He told him all about chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Korax is the only one to actually know about chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's basically all ready to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the best part of all of this is at the end of this, the Emperor says to him, I have this legion for you, but you're not ready to take it yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to finish what you started here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the thing that Angron and Mordarian wanted more than anything in this world.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Emperor, we're like, no, you guys shut up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Correx, go, go, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: God, he is, he's the youngest child.
[SPEAKER_00]: He always gets what he wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, John, yeah, but that's what happens here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Emperor leaves and leaves Correx to his own devices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he doesn't give Correx any weapons or religion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just says, all right, and they also could have handled this in 11 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's the theory on this is more fan theory, by the way, people who've, you know, you ready, you go to Reddit, this is where I talked to you about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of us believe the reason behind this is he wanted Corax to learn a lesson and the problem with Corax was Corax had just been raised with all these like revolutionaries, all people who were pretty like almost maybe too far Puritan and the emperor needed Corax to learn a lesson about maybe purity for lack of a better phrase here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wanted to make it him show that the world sucks and sometimes you need to do sucky stuff and you need to deal with that because right now he's a freedom fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got huge ideals that can't be compromised and he's you're going to find out that you're going to need to compromise that shit right away if you want to win if you want to actually win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the situation is that Correx is sitting on the moon of like yes with his rebels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Down on Key of R, there was a full-blown civil war going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem, though, is that just like on the moon, that world is full of slaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's full of people that did nothing wrong and they are dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Correx has to do something, so he just no choice he has to attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he grabs his forces and they attack down, and he can't be surgically precise, because he doesn't have a legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten nuclear weapons and whatever was on the moon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, but he utilizes the shit out of the nukes, if I said he's collateral damage corex because yes, did he save?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably billions?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but he killed, if not more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he for sure killed because the emperor was trying to teach us the blessing of the greater good, not the towel version, but the hot fuzz version.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, we knew from talking that Correx was an idealist, and the problem was is that in the Emperors view of the Crusade taking back, you can't be an idealist.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be a pragmatist as we told you many a time, every one of the Emperor, Melcanor decisions is, yes, this awful thing, but it's going to get what we want done.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants shit done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he needed correct to have that make that choice himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens next though is again going back to youngest sibling is an even worse story than the one we talked about with more terian and angron.
[SPEAKER_00]: So correct successfully,
[SPEAKER_00]: and he never goes, all right, get in the ship, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Corpse goes, no, I was to say, I love this part.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he just straight goes, and now the knee, I think he's the youngest sibling.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives a big number of more sense than it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you tell?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this part because he says, no, and that I want this world to be part of everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did this for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still had his, I like this because he's still, even though he had to do some terrible shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He still has his ideals and takes a stance and tells the Emperor, I want them to be part of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to be part of the Fero fold.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to help me do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rebuild this planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes them rebuild the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, by the way, I guarantee you, San Guendia, Steven went,
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a choice, you know what I mean like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on like all like gentleman didn't need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a couple of his primarks were like you mean you kind of just fidgeting or tearing an egg an egg out of his curly flinging egg again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are at a crosswalks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was an option.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to put a bunch of people here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll fix the whole place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I effectively have unlimited resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not just putting new paint in the walls, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a full, like, you know, not down build up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be like, they renamed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They took the place down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did a full hardcore remodel and like like top tier like we're bringing the Italian marble like we're going all the way out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a course that I can call I'll join your Legion now, which I just wish they'd call that I wish a one book They'd call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just at least one primarx bitching like to see if they need a core access world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that was an option?
[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want one primarx to complain about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been doing better if you would have had one prime of my complaint about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then they go to the effort.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, oh, you do, oh, you have to do his ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because San Guenius, like, we didn't ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then San Guenius having to like, yeah, fair point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, but for everybody, the answer is people.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the biggest, like, troops on it is somebody doing something and then they go, well, you didn't ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're constantly asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been that of the primax and almost all the worlds were nightmare worlds at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except like a gentleman, Dorn
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe now that it philgms wasn't that bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's mate less than six are good places to live all the rest of our nightmare worlds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Correx just like, hey, can you make deliverance nice?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, I'll get people on us tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so do you want your tabs to be still or sparkling?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but with that, we're going to break tougher next week because we've now Corex has rejoined the Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's about to be a lot of work on his part because the 19th are we didn't dive into this enough work and this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're pretty messed up right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's super not happy when he finds them.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where the theory about the car carodans coming from them come from.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be this coming split here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're also the eyes are going to do all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to turn into a glee club like six weeks later anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're hopefully by getting some of them going to the emperor for assistance.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the emperor being like, hey, I'd love to help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm kind of distracted with this whole horse trying to kill me things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you can take care of yourself and feel the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until then, though, John Barsotti, Brett Jester, the scout.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next week.
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