WEBVTT 00:03.203 --> 00:08.303 [SPEAKER_04]: This show is brought to you by TheMakery, the podcast network for Makers. 00:16.872 --> 00:19.055 [SPEAKER_04]: Guys, welcome to KnifeTalk. 00:19.075 --> 00:21.619 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a podcast for KnifeMakers. 00:21.679 --> 00:23.682 [SPEAKER_04]: KnifeInthusius, Blacksmiths, Bladesmiths. 00:24.103 --> 00:25.845 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe a fairier too, we'll see. 00:26.406 --> 00:27.628 [SPEAKER_04]: But actually, know what? 00:27.848 --> 00:31.093 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a championship fairier that listens to this one, we'll talk all about it. 00:31.494 --> 00:33.096 [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Jeff Fader from Fader Knives. 00:33.297 --> 00:36.121 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here with the Great Maracco Mamasi of Mamasi Fire Arts. 00:36.561 --> 00:37.603 [SPEAKER_04]: Craig is recovering. 00:37.683 --> 00:45.715 [SPEAKER_04]: He's still recovering and he took last week off and he's recovering when he get him back next week. 00:45.695 --> 00:46.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing all right. 00:46.898 --> 00:47.559 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it again. 00:47.800 --> 00:48.401 [SPEAKER_01]: You're yourself. 00:49.023 --> 01:03.315 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you were you were just traveling recently whirlwind whirlwind I have so many different stories like in the since we last podcast the first crazy stories is I got well, I mean, I'm going to be pretty quick about it 01:03.295 --> 01:06.340 [SPEAKER_04]: I hate marketplace, Facebook Marketplace. 01:06.400 --> 01:10.426 [SPEAKER_04]: I never get, say, Facebook Marketplace, and I'm not interested. 01:10.587 --> 01:12.770 [SPEAKER_04]: There's something that I don't need or don't want. 01:12.910 --> 01:13.732 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not interested. 01:14.012 --> 01:15.334 [SPEAKER_04]: Even if it's a good deal. 01:15.354 --> 01:17.418 [SPEAKER_04]: I just thought it really doesn't really interest me. 01:17.938 --> 01:20.763 [SPEAKER_04]: Chris Chris Zepieri make everything shop. 01:20.863 --> 01:22.806 [SPEAKER_04]: He sends me listings. 01:23.327 --> 01:24.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 01:24.489 --> 01:25.270 [SPEAKER_04]: Once every other week. 01:25.250 --> 01:42.550 [SPEAKER_04]: You've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this, you've got to get this 01:43.053 --> 01:47.182 [SPEAKER_04]: It's six miles he tracked where it was and he tracked where I was. 01:47.723 --> 01:53.676 [SPEAKER_04]: He says it's six miles away from you right now and I told the woman you're on your way. 01:54.177 --> 01:54.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God. 01:54.818 --> 01:58.245 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was lying to somebody. 01:58.285 --> 02:00.049 [SPEAKER_01]: He lied to somebody and you're behalf. 02:00.029 --> 02:02.633 [SPEAKER_04]: He said he said he didn't even bother asking me. 02:02.714 --> 02:04.797 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just like, you're going over there. 02:04.817 --> 02:05.819 [SPEAKER_04]: And I looked at the price. 02:05.959 --> 02:08.964 [SPEAKER_04]: I look at the animal, and only son of a bitch. 02:09.265 --> 02:10.807 [SPEAKER_04]: And I went over there and I got this animal. 02:10.827 --> 02:11.749 [SPEAKER_04]: I ended up talking to this woman. 02:11.769 --> 02:14.493 [SPEAKER_04]: She was cleaning up the house for a father who was going through dementia. 02:14.634 --> 02:16.276 [SPEAKER_04]: He had just stored this animal forever. 02:16.296 --> 02:18.680 [SPEAKER_04]: I ended giving her more money than she asked for. 02:18.881 --> 02:19.983 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I have this animal. 02:20.023 --> 02:22.226 [SPEAKER_04]: But the funny part is, it's just like that would be one. 02:22.507 --> 02:23.508 [SPEAKER_04]: I could do a whole week. 02:23.528 --> 02:25.632 [SPEAKER_04]: I could do a whole episode just on that. 02:25.814 --> 02:28.458 [SPEAKER_04]: But then I got to restore it. 02:28.478 --> 02:30.081 [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually a pretty good decent shape. 02:30.281 --> 02:34.668 [SPEAKER_04]: This guy was a truck driver and doing anything with it It's like, you know, it's got a corner that grand ambitions. 02:35.670 --> 02:37.152 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think he was just a hoarder. 02:37.333 --> 02:38.475 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he had really great. 02:38.515 --> 02:40.578 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no I don't think this is big. 02:40.618 --> 02:42.601 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like sub 200 pounds. 02:42.621 --> 02:46.648 [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't just seen I haven't figured out what it was I gotta I gotta I'm gonna do a whole thing on it. 02:46.688 --> 02:49.813 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I guess I'm like a restoration guy now 02:49.793 --> 03:07.347 [SPEAKER_04]: and then I went to Texas, our friend Ben Snorr invited me, he's been invited me for years to come to the ranch that he works on and all of it and I was going to go last year because in Amarillo, which is about an hour from where his ranch is, the ranch he works on is. 03:07.327 --> 03:28.024 [SPEAKER_04]: There's this event called the world champion ship Blacksmiths and it's faireers and these guys are like the best in the world We can we're gonna do a whole thing on just these faireers and the difference between all the different branches of forging and stuff like that Okay, he picks me up at Emerald Airport I mean, this is the first this is the first last guy and we drove the first place. 03:28.044 --> 03:28.845 [SPEAKER_01]: He's bad 03:28.825 --> 03:29.868 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Ben is. 03:30.329 --> 03:31.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've never met him before. 03:31.512 --> 03:32.495 [SPEAKER_04]: I already. 03:32.515 --> 03:32.896 [SPEAKER_04]: I met him. 03:32.956 --> 03:33.959 [SPEAKER_04]: This is the second time I met him. 03:33.979 --> 03:40.055 [SPEAKER_04]: He came up in New York with our friend, Jack, and he, who another, just, high-level dude, takes me to Bucky's. 03:40.175 --> 03:40.877 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what Bucky's? 03:41.539 --> 03:42.943 [SPEAKER_01]: I know about Bucky's. 03:43.003 --> 03:44.607 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never experienced Bucky's. 03:45.886 --> 04:06.983 [SPEAKER_04]: I, Bucky's is, if you're not from, I guess it's like Texas in the south of the south of again, it's, it's, it's the biggest, it's imagine the biggest, the Walmart, but it's all like, meant to be like a truck stop except for the fact that they don't let truckers in there because the bathrooms, you can eat off the bathrooms. 04:06.963 --> 04:30.000 [SPEAKER_04]: and there's like barbecue like they have whole things of like fresh barbecue all over the place they have they had a huge counter of just beef jerky the food was from miles there's a hundred gas pumps yeah it's a destination spot we went in there and I was like it was blown away and then we got to let's just like a burrito wrap we ate on the way to the you know whatever yeah 04:29.980 --> 04:30.881 [SPEAKER_04]: Unbelievable. 04:30.922 --> 04:31.823 [SPEAKER_04]: It was already pre-made. 04:31.863 --> 04:34.407 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like the best pre-made thing I'd ever had in my life. 04:34.648 --> 04:35.249 [SPEAKER_04]: It was unbelievable. 04:35.269 --> 04:36.631 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, pre-made, you know. 04:37.052 --> 04:37.252 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 04:37.272 --> 04:39.636 [SPEAKER_04]: We drive to the ranch, the ranch isn't in the middle of nowhere. 04:39.696 --> 04:43.863 [SPEAKER_04]: What he and his family do are, I mean, you want to talk about self-reliance. 04:44.944 --> 04:45.125 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. 04:45.465 --> 04:47.168 [SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, it was terrifying. 04:47.208 --> 04:55.161 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's like the, it's beautiful and it's desolate and it's like the desert and there's maces and there's shrubs and toning toads. 04:55.141 --> 04:56.503 [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't see any horny toes. 04:56.643 --> 05:14.723 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh damn the ranch that he's on he was looking we were looking for rattlesnakes too We didn't have enough he packed so much time I didn't really have well he he knows where they are he me, but at the same time It was jam-packed since I've got there and then we we it's in the middle I mean I did a whole thing with them on full blast. 05:14.743 --> 05:22.752 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna go crazy with it But what was interesting was his family's wonderful so nice and they're so self-reliant because they're literally in the middle of nowhere 05:22.732 --> 05:35.929 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, you have to end up, you know, even when you get to the driveway of the ranchers, he's lives in the ranch, but he's like the ranch manager, and he and his family live on this house, just to drive from the goddamn driveway to the house. 05:36.350 --> 05:37.351 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like it's so far. 05:37.491 --> 05:45.401 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're going through, you know, your the roads are washed out, and it's like, you know, you're rattling your guts out, you know, it's unbelievable. 05:45.822 --> 05:49.887 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you were in this ranch, just so huge and they have not to mention, 05:49.867 --> 05:57.462 [SPEAKER_04]: They have cattle, they raise cattle, and then they also have exotic game, and it's literally like being in Africa. 05:58.184 --> 05:59.406 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was unbelievable. 05:59.426 --> 06:00.228 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm not kidding! 06:00.408 --> 06:01.831 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it reminded me of Africa. 06:02.092 --> 06:03.775 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was, it was amazing. 06:04.126 --> 06:13.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't tell if that's if it was really like as wild as as you feel like it was or if you're just a fucking city boy. 06:13.115 --> 06:18.461 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this was like there were some to the driveway. 06:19.042 --> 06:23.466 [SPEAKER_04]: There were some hills and so that were like if you don't have four wheel drive, you're done. 06:23.667 --> 06:26.129 [SPEAKER_04]: You can, it's not like it's not just a bumpy road. 06:26.530 --> 06:28.351 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going up gulchies and shit. 06:28.532 --> 06:29.813 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's like, 06:29.793 --> 06:57.910 [SPEAKER_04]: it was it's crazy totally crazy to the point where if you you're out in the middle and you're out in the middle with uh with all the animals you know feeding the animals and you're like a truck breaks down you don't have a cell phone you're done I mean it's like being I pictured it like imagine being in a boat you're in the middle of the ocean and everything you're fucking that's it you mean there's nobody around you know that so they're incredibly self-sufficient they're really wonderful they're incredible cooks I have to apologize about 06:57.890 --> 07:00.313 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shit bro. 07:00.853 --> 07:01.614 [SPEAKER_04]: I made a mistake. 07:01.934 --> 07:03.596 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Harry time shift. 07:03.696 --> 07:06.099 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm, hey listen, I've never been one. 07:06.339 --> 07:08.701 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been one to you don't know until you know. 07:08.741 --> 07:17.451 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, listen, I have, we're meeting in the middle that I've never been one to say to just say that I'm right. 07:17.531 --> 07:20.154 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to, I thought you could say it with the wrong. 07:20.614 --> 07:21.695 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to be with me when I'm wrong. 07:21.715 --> 07:22.076 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm wrong. 07:22.096 --> 07:22.376 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm wrong. 07:22.856 --> 07:26.260 [SPEAKER_04]: These were different heat made these drop biscuits. 07:26.425 --> 07:30.232 [SPEAKER_04]: And they were soft and fluffy and then he made sausage in his wife made sausage gravy. 07:30.272 --> 07:30.994 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like lights out. 07:31.194 --> 07:35.161 [SPEAKER_04]: And you don't have to eat until the next, you know, the next day, after you. 07:35.181 --> 07:36.884 [SPEAKER_04]: But they were unbelievably delicious. 07:37.065 --> 07:43.637 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was not similar to the southern style biscuits that I'm used to, which were, you know, garbage and stuff like that. 07:43.657 --> 07:48.486 [SPEAKER_04]: So he and his wife made just amazing food and stuff like that. 07:48.506 --> 07:49.007 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 07:48.987 --> 07:50.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's awesome. 07:50.048 --> 07:52.471 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to hear that you have a good biscuit. 07:52.771 --> 07:53.312 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a fit. 07:53.352 --> 07:55.034 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's he's a class. 07:55.274 --> 07:57.657 [SPEAKER_04]: He's as much a class act as you to imagine. 07:57.677 --> 07:59.999 [SPEAKER_04]: And his family's wonderful son is daughter great. 08:00.059 --> 08:00.840 [SPEAKER_04]: We had a great time. 08:01.160 --> 08:07.147 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was like, you know, so the next day we go to the the to Emerllo. 08:08.108 --> 08:11.772 [SPEAKER_04]: So that what the world championship blacksmiths are. 08:11.752 --> 08:18.083 [SPEAKER_04]: It's an organization that does these forging competitions in ameral. 08:18.123 --> 08:36.055 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so basically there's this convention center and they have like a rodeo and then they bring in this trailer and there's like six coal forges on the trailer and they open the sides up and they have these you know these these smoke stacks that go up to it up to the top you know 08:36.035 --> 08:36.797 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. 08:36.817 --> 08:39.924 [SPEAKER_04]: And they have this three-day forging competition. 08:40.184 --> 08:44.193 [SPEAKER_04]: And we didn't go for the first one to the second day, which is forging horseshoes. 08:45.355 --> 08:45.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 08:45.476 --> 08:47.560 [SPEAKER_04]: You're saying to yourself, okay, just do you. 08:47.580 --> 08:50.507 [SPEAKER_04]: This is like, no, I'm going to say this respectfully. 08:50.567 --> 08:52.170 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to say this is respectfully as possible. 08:52.972 --> 08:56.119 [SPEAKER_04]: Because at first, I was just like, All people didn't hurt when I say this. 08:56.099 --> 09:01.026 [SPEAKER_04]: And now, I thought about it for a long time, including this morning, and I have a different opinion on the matter. 09:01.046 --> 09:05.893 [SPEAKER_04]: But when it comes to forging, like, all right, let's do it here as a question. 09:06.354 --> 09:14.445 [SPEAKER_04]: Name me, you know, let's just talk about the different branches of what forging, you know, of forging occupations or careers are. 09:15.235 --> 09:16.618 [SPEAKER_04]: Just let's just list them off. 09:17.079 --> 09:17.841 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't really matter. 09:18.282 --> 09:19.945 [SPEAKER_04]: There's for sure here, right? 09:20.306 --> 09:21.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ornamental ironwork. 09:21.609 --> 09:22.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Or an ornamental iron worker. 09:23.613 --> 09:24.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, sculpture. 09:25.638 --> 09:26.540 [SPEAKER_00]: Art, sculpture, sure. 09:26.700 --> 09:29.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice, Miss sculpture, all right. 09:30.203 --> 09:30.784 [SPEAKER_04]: Bladesmith. 09:31.104 --> 09:31.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Bladesmith. 09:31.846 --> 09:32.947 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 09:33.068 --> 09:34.851 [SPEAKER_01]: That was just trying to think if there's anything else. 09:35.011 --> 09:39.859 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, I'm not including like goldsmiths and whitesmiths in all that bullshit. 09:39.879 --> 09:43.204 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really kind of thinking about people who are moving steel, right? 09:43.224 --> 09:43.725 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:44.406 --> 09:44.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:44.607 --> 09:46.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen some of these. 09:46.690 --> 10:07.112 [SPEAKER_01]: blacksmiths that do these riveting jobs lately sure the last few years or mentally it's kind of like ornamental that's still part of ornamental yeah so okay still to a certain degree you put railings and stuff under ornamental ornamental iron worker yeah yeah you know people doing architectural stuff's ornamental iron architectural architect yeah architect I could I would say architectural blacksmith might be a little bit different from ornamental 10:07.177 --> 10:12.464 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're, you know, I think one can say it's a thing in my pocket. 10:12.825 --> 10:16.269 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a square being in a rectangle that a rectangle sure is focused in a square. 10:16.670 --> 10:20.074 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm with you, it's a hundred percent, a hundred percent, no question. 10:20.435 --> 10:21.216 [SPEAKER_04]: I got no problem with it. 10:21.236 --> 10:21.997 [SPEAKER_04]: What anything you get? 10:22.478 --> 10:23.179 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, what else do you get? 10:23.199 --> 10:28.245 [SPEAKER_04]: If you were to take all these different groups, I'm gonna tell you. 10:28.285 --> 10:32.391 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm saying this peacefully, there is not a better, 10:32.945 --> 10:37.292 [SPEAKER_04]: forging technician, then a competition blacksmith, a fairier. 10:38.314 --> 10:40.177 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you, and I'm going to tell you why. 10:40.678 --> 10:43.723 [SPEAKER_04]: These competitions were, so the way it works with the world. 10:43.783 --> 10:46.087 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to have, I did a whole thing. 10:46.107 --> 10:48.591 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to have Riley Kirkpatrick on, and then I'm going to... 10:48.571 --> 10:52.375 [SPEAKER_04]: going on Riley's podcast forging brains, which is awesome forging. 10:52.436 --> 11:01.106 [SPEAKER_04]: So the WBC is, you start off when you're, you know, when you're a fairer, there are people who can buy what's called a bar. 11:01.146 --> 11:12.379 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's called a bar shoe, which is a standard shoe when you're, you know, let's say you're a professional fairer, you can go to a farm and then they need, you know, the horses need to shoe because it fucks up their, you know, their hooves, I almost said pause. 11:12.940 --> 11:15.743 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, trust me, 11:15.723 --> 11:18.949 [SPEAKER_01]: You realize the hoof is just one big toe, right? 11:19.090 --> 11:19.851 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly. 11:19.971 --> 11:21.575 [SPEAKER_04]: Tonal, right, toe, toe, toe, toe. 11:21.595 --> 11:28.208 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a whole, it's so, if you're a fairy, you're not just, you know, you're also, the main guys, they all go to like a veterinary school for a while. 11:28.308 --> 11:28.709 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 11:28.809 --> 11:29.450 [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild. 11:30.071 --> 11:30.492 [SPEAKER_04]: So. 11:31.568 --> 11:51.602 [SPEAKER_04]: when you're so when you're so you can if you wanted to not for just shoe you can just get shoes and then you can open them up close and you know whatever so every hoof is different right like up to you right so in these competitions what they do is they'll have what an a novice and the novice is like the beginning stage and they have categories they've category one category two category three category four. 11:51.582 --> 12:00.170 [SPEAKER_04]: when you get up into category four, you've already come in, you've won these particular competitions with people in your category. 12:00.531 --> 12:13.002 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're a five-guys or a category one, the guy who wins bumps up to category two, and it's kind of an even playing field, so it's not just like black belts kicking the shit out of white belts all the time. 12:14.163 --> 12:19.969 [SPEAKER_04]: So what'll happen is 12:19.949 --> 12:23.853 [SPEAKER_04]: So the main, you know, in your mind, you think of a horseshoe. 12:23.873 --> 12:26.616 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you don't realize that sometimes they're these forged clips. 12:27.017 --> 12:28.859 [SPEAKER_04]: They come in on the front of the horseshoe. 12:28.899 --> 12:31.001 [SPEAKER_04]: And then what those are meant to be, I've seen them. 12:31.021 --> 12:32.543 [SPEAKER_04]: And they have special hammers for those. 12:32.563 --> 12:33.304 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to talk about that. 12:33.544 --> 12:33.865 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 12:33.885 --> 12:46.699 [SPEAKER_04]: So what those are for is, when you make a, if you think about like just a regular horseshoe with no bells and whistles and then the hammer it up and then the nails kind of go out of the, out of the, out of the hoof, when the way that the horse walks, 12:46.679 --> 12:58.114 [SPEAKER_04]: It can drag or if you don't have a toe clip that kind of like hooks over the top of the toe there's a very good chance that the toe the horse could could like sheer off the nails. 12:58.134 --> 12:58.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:58.575 --> 12:59.456 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean? 12:59.476 --> 13:15.657 [SPEAKER_04]: So you have to forge in these clips and it all depends on where the where the toe is and there's probably there's hundreds of different types of shoes right and not to mention every horse it's not one shoe for all four horse not like fucking bind four tires for car car. 13:15.637 --> 13:17.619 [SPEAKER_04]: You have a, I'm not kidding. 13:17.639 --> 13:20.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I tell you, you talk it, yeah, their cobblers, they're basically cobblers. 13:20.701 --> 13:21.422 [SPEAKER_04]: It's madness. 13:21.542 --> 13:26.206 [SPEAKER_04]: So you have a front right, a front left, a hind right, and a hind left. 13:26.226 --> 13:27.687 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're all different. 13:27.707 --> 13:30.850 [SPEAKER_04]: So they'll tell you a specific type of shoe in there. 13:30.890 --> 13:32.972 [SPEAKER_04]: There's shoes with a clip on the front. 13:32.992 --> 13:34.153 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a shoe with two clips. 13:34.173 --> 13:38.257 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a shoe where the inside is a smaller diameter than the outside. 13:38.377 --> 13:45.643 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's ones with a fuller than counter sunk space for the nails. 13:45.623 --> 13:50.152 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's one of the square toe, there's like, I mean, I couldn't keep up, right? 13:50.453 --> 13:51.735 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 13:51.755 --> 13:55.443 [SPEAKER_04]: So what they'll do is they'll have all the competitors in a particular round. 13:55.463 --> 13:56.244 [SPEAKER_04]: And they were going all day. 13:56.284 --> 14:03.338 [SPEAKER_04]: We watch from the beginning, nine o'clock on Saturday, we took a break for lunch, and then we watched all until the championship. 14:03.679 --> 14:04.841 [SPEAKER_04]: Shout out to the champion. 14:04.861 --> 14:07.767 [SPEAKER_04]: So those guys are like, I mean, 14:07.747 --> 14:08.528 [SPEAKER_04]: give you a break. 14:09.009 --> 14:17.845 [SPEAKER_04]: So the what they'll do is they'll have like a like a cover over a fake hoof, you know, or a, you know, cadaver hoof or they'll make up for it. 14:18.766 --> 14:20.449 [SPEAKER_04]: And then all the competitors will be there. 14:20.670 --> 14:24.296 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they'll lift off the cover and they'll say, all right, you have 10 minutes to get ready. 14:24.436 --> 14:26.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that if they go to the glues factory or 14:26.680 --> 14:30.466 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, I think, I don't know if they do the glue factory. 14:31.989 --> 14:39.962 [SPEAKER_04]: This episode is sponsored by the glue factory, so you have like 10 minutes to measure the hoof. 14:39.982 --> 14:48.115 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you go over to the chop saw, and then they have bars of, I think it was like 3-4 by 3-8 stock. 14:48.095 --> 14:57.245 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you have to, and depending on the kind of shoe if it is, or depending on the shoe they're asking for, you have to calculate the material. 14:57.605 --> 15:05.113 [SPEAKER_04]: So not only you calculate the material for a standard hoof, but for a standard shoe, but you're also up to, because you get a, maybe there's a tow bar, maybe there's this, maybe that. 15:06.955 --> 15:17.747 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you cut the piece, and then they all get together, and then they're all seeing in front of their animals, like they're ready for like four animals, and they're all standing there like, like, you know, getting ready for race. 15:17.727 --> 15:18.048 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 15:19.049 --> 15:30.769 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they'll then they'll have the the Coke for just by the way, are just roaring to the point where the roof above where the trailer was, there were times where it was like glowing red. 15:30.789 --> 15:35.297 [SPEAKER_04]: Like if you look over the top of this facility, there's gotta be like, 15:35.277 --> 15:39.665 [SPEAKER_04]: 12 burn marks on the top of the building. 15:40.366 --> 15:46.597 [SPEAKER_04]: So then they'll say go and then the first things guys are doing is they're taking their center punch and they're marking their center and they're marking the different hooves. 15:47.298 --> 15:49.582 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to go into the different parts of the shoe. 15:49.602 --> 15:53.829 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to go into the except for the fact that these dudes are hauling ass. 15:54.110 --> 15:58.838 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh and by the way, so if you're in the novice, maybe you get half an hour to do the shoe. 15:58.818 --> 16:04.347 [SPEAKER_04]: but you get up to the category for dudes, they're not going to choose out in sub 15 minutes. 16:04.647 --> 16:05.148 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 16:05.368 --> 16:06.971 [SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't get into it. 16:07.551 --> 16:08.934 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there was one. 16:08.974 --> 16:19.049 [SPEAKER_04]: So our man, our man who listens to his podcast, Troy Wood, that's, um, Pine Creek for two lives down the block, down the block, down the street for, uh, down the road. 16:19.590 --> 16:19.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 16:19.710 --> 16:20.892 [SPEAKER_04]: From Salem's shop. 16:21.453 --> 16:24.117 [SPEAKER_04]: He's in the whole goddamn thing. 16:24.097 --> 16:38.213 [SPEAKER_04]: He won the right way and I didn't think and there was I was what we were watching shout out to Washington forgers dude dude I'm telling you you got a pile of them in the Northwest that are insane so there so so So Troy I was watching we were watching Troy. 16:38.233 --> 16:46.523 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean he says to me I'll just your podcast so I'm like all right When I'm gonna watch all day You know, it's like I've got to Or you're gonna listen to what if I'm gonna listen to the podcast to be that fickle, right? 16:46.963 --> 16:48.585 [SPEAKER_04]: These guys are like 16:48.565 --> 16:55.913 [SPEAKER_04]: They're killing it, and even though the novices are really good, and the novices get strikers, but when you get to a certain category, you don't get strikers. 16:56.574 --> 16:59.097 [SPEAKER_04]: There's not a wasted movement. 16:59.137 --> 17:02.140 [SPEAKER_04]: To the point, there was this one guy's name as Cortez. 17:02.180 --> 17:03.522 [SPEAKER_04]: And he dropped the shoe on the ground. 17:04.222 --> 17:09.168 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever tried dropping a hot piece of steel on the ground, and how hard is it to pick up? 17:09.188 --> 17:09.929 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not very fun. 17:10.369 --> 17:13.813 [SPEAKER_04]: This dude snatched it up in this one move. 17:13.953 --> 17:15.535 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's a flat. 17:15.751 --> 17:16.572 [SPEAKER_04]: Corsion on the butt. 17:16.912 --> 17:19.475 [SPEAKER_04]: He snatched up like he was scooping ice. 17:20.336 --> 17:21.457 [SPEAKER_04]: It was, I'd never seen it. 17:21.477 --> 17:23.199 [SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, oh, these dudes are fucking for real. 17:23.219 --> 17:25.822 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, we picked up a, and then he'd get it back in the forge. 17:26.242 --> 17:31.148 [SPEAKER_04]: You got like 20 seconds between the, the, the, the, the, the coal forges are going so fast. 17:31.508 --> 17:33.430 [SPEAKER_04]: It was getting back up to critical temperature. 17:33.490 --> 17:36.093 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, getting up to yellow in 20 seconds. 17:36.654 --> 17:37.975 [SPEAKER_02]: He's used to, yeah. 17:37.995 --> 17:42.400 [SPEAKER_04]: Warge welding in like 20 seconds between heats. 17:43.004 --> 17:45.688 [SPEAKER_04]: It was unbelievable. 17:45.768 --> 17:48.692 [SPEAKER_04]: And these guys are like, I mean, they are moving their ass. 17:48.712 --> 17:49.854 [SPEAKER_04]: No, Troy, I watched. 17:49.874 --> 17:52.938 [SPEAKER_04]: We watched Troy Troy had an hour to forge four shoes. 17:53.679 --> 17:56.703 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a young kid 23 limit doing this for six years. 17:56.783 --> 17:58.325 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, they, you know, he's a phenomenal. 17:58.385 --> 17:59.086 [SPEAKER_04]: He was phenomenal. 17:59.106 --> 17:59.787 [SPEAKER_04]: And you won the whole thing. 17:59.807 --> 18:00.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at his page right now. 18:01.249 --> 18:05.235 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, this is the nicest guy you'll ever meet. 18:06.016 --> 18:08.179 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's super nice, super well-spoken. 18:08.459 --> 18:09.481 [SPEAKER_04]: Super soft spoken. 18:09.881 --> 18:12.505 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 18:12.485 --> 18:13.166 [SPEAKER_04]: for an hour. 18:13.606 --> 18:16.510 [SPEAKER_04]: No stopping for breathing. 18:16.630 --> 18:18.192 [SPEAKER_04]: No stopping for between heats. 18:19.153 --> 18:23.979 [SPEAKER_04]: He cranked through four horses and, you know, afterwards he else. 18:24.039 --> 18:27.303 [SPEAKER_04]: We sweating everything like that not breathy, not freaking out. 18:27.464 --> 18:28.725 [SPEAKER_04]: None of them are freaking out. 18:28.745 --> 18:30.247 [SPEAKER_04]: All that like the high level dudes. 18:31.529 --> 18:36.535 [SPEAKER_04]: Chris Madrid and Stan Mullins and the guy Cortez and all these other guys. 18:36.515 --> 18:38.717 [SPEAKER_04]: Peter head from Australia. 18:38.757 --> 18:40.519 [SPEAKER_04]: These guys don't give a fuck. 18:40.539 --> 18:51.171 [SPEAKER_04]: They're so well-conditioned and The amount of forging that they have to do per shoe was shocking and Ben is like, you know You might get sick of this whole thing. 18:51.231 --> 18:54.574 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's sick because I would watch each competition Yeah, watch though. 18:54.614 --> 19:02.843 [SPEAKER_04]: We were there from fucking nine in the morning until until 10 o'clock at night and we watched the ending watch there had to watch it, you know, it gets to the point You gotta watch the whole thing 19:03.093 --> 19:11.400 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there is not a there is not a I mean it was it was shocking and there was a pile of people and they were all They're faireers and I was talking to ton of faireers. 19:11.721 --> 19:12.662 [SPEAKER_04]: They were from Canada. 19:12.682 --> 19:14.924 [SPEAKER_04]: They're all shrally There was a dude from Wales. 19:14.964 --> 19:16.365 [SPEAKER_04]: There are a ross England. 19:16.925 --> 19:33.100 [SPEAKER_04]: It was they came all the way to to Amirillo for this event and it was amazing It was amazing and it really kind and I said you know I was I saw it a Riley afterwards and talking to Ben for a while These dudes are the best technical Blacksmiths in the game 19:33.080 --> 19:35.303 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll only say that this is a reason why. 19:36.304 --> 19:47.858 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we talk about knife making and how much it's, you know, yeah, it was one of the oldest things in the world, but as a recreational hobby, there isn't as much forging education as there is, you know, you would think. 19:48.558 --> 19:53.024 [SPEAKER_04]: These fairings are doing this shit for fucking, as long as they've been putting shoes on horses. 19:53.164 --> 19:54.966 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's because it's also a profession. 19:55.427 --> 19:55.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:55.827 --> 20:06.500 [SPEAKER_04]: What's the interesting thing about it all is that it's not, there's no, when they judge these, I mean, you look at these two, you know, two shoes in front of each other and I'm just like, I can't tell. 20:06.560 --> 20:07.722 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, with the hell do I know? 20:08.263 --> 20:10.065 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's such specific thing. 20:10.105 --> 20:15.492 [SPEAKER_04]: So at the end to advance, it's got to fit on the, on the hoof sample. 20:15.832 --> 20:19.877 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it's got to be the best looking one based off of what they're doing. 20:19.857 --> 20:23.985 [SPEAKER_04]: No grinders, no power hammers, no presses, it's all forging. 20:24.326 --> 20:28.854 [SPEAKER_04]: They have a special hammer that is not a cross-peen, but it's called a cone. 20:28.874 --> 20:33.123 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's a cone-peen, but it's like a cone on the end of your hammer side. 20:33.423 --> 20:35.748 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's only for pulling out these clips. 20:35.808 --> 20:38.473 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a cone clip or something like that. 20:38.453 --> 20:42.257 [SPEAKER_04]: They have special fullers that are for one side. 20:42.337 --> 21:07.684 [SPEAKER_04]: So you can have you can fuller in like a basically a long countersink on one on one side So one side's flat and one side chisels into the little right and then so you don't have a left and a right So what you have to do is you have to chisel in going clockwise the first way and then you have to flip the hand the the You got to go basically upside down you go go one way and then you got to go the other way with the 21:07.664 --> 21:08.565 [SPEAKER_04]: don't get me started. 21:09.326 --> 21:10.988 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, it was, it was shocking. 21:11.108 --> 21:12.209 [SPEAKER_04]: It was totally shocking. 21:13.190 --> 21:14.292 [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing. 21:14.352 --> 21:18.036 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen, I've watched, uh, not a ton, but I've watched some. 21:18.096 --> 21:20.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually just watching someone choice page. 21:20.639 --> 21:25.404 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like forging two different pieces of material together to make a shoe. 21:25.464 --> 21:27.066 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the examples. 21:27.547 --> 21:28.708 [SPEAKER_04]: Bomb the last two. 21:28.728 --> 21:31.992 [SPEAKER_04]: So, and here's, here's how crazy these guys are. 21:32.012 --> 21:34.735 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm saying crazy with the utmost respect. 21:34.715 --> 21:54.833 [SPEAKER_04]: There's as soon as you lose you're not done for the day you go into the loser's category And there's so there's a huge tree of eliminations and then you're on the winner's category or then you're gonna drop down the loser's category So it says loser and you're The losers are all competing to get back in at the end 21:54.813 --> 21:55.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:55.555 --> 22:01.327 [SPEAKER_01]: And you got to you got to work twice almost twice as hard to get back into the finals on the losers bracket. 22:01.347 --> 22:01.948 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. 22:02.289 --> 22:07.139 [SPEAKER_04]: Troy had to have forged on the day we saw him on wins on Saturday. 22:07.961 --> 22:11.488 [SPEAKER_04]: He's for say he I think that he probably forged. 22:12.582 --> 22:13.684 [SPEAKER_04]: 12 shoes. 22:14.765 --> 22:14.985 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 22:15.486 --> 22:17.829 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, and anything that I've break a sweat of the young guy, too. 22:17.909 --> 22:19.151 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is a young man's game. 22:19.712 --> 22:27.563 [SPEAKER_04]: But what was interesting is this is, so there's this, you know, the standard is, and it's different than knife make, you know, they're with an art in nine of knives and even ornamental ironwork. 22:28.204 --> 22:29.766 [SPEAKER_04]: It's subjective, you know? 22:30.046 --> 22:36.135 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you could say, all right, and we know people who make some bullshit hit, net knives, we call bullshit knives, and it's not really a bullshit. 22:36.435 --> 22:38.078 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just the fact that it's not an art kind of knife. 22:38.518 --> 22:41.222 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's no real, it's a subjective, do a certain degree. 22:41.202 --> 22:44.705 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not subjective with, I mean, it's like, it other works, it don't work. 22:45.166 --> 22:45.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:45.926 --> 22:46.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:46.186 --> 22:47.508 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the results. 22:47.548 --> 22:48.809 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 22:48.829 --> 22:52.332 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was, it was really interesting and I'm sure there's one more. 22:52.352 --> 22:55.695 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so they had this guy Peter had from Australia and the Troy. 22:56.256 --> 23:06.705 [SPEAKER_04]: They were head to head at the end and then there was like a tiebreaker and they had to do this forge welded shoe where there was two different sizes of steel and you had to forge weld it in the middle. 23:07.265 --> 23:07.666 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 23:07.686 --> 23:11.209 [SPEAKER_04]: And because there's, you know, the inside might 23:11.189 --> 23:21.198 [SPEAKER_04]: It don't don't ask and it was they added to multiple forge welds and at one point Ben and I count of the heats to make this Very cut. 23:21.458 --> 23:23.060 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's it can't be kinked. 23:23.260 --> 23:41.196 [SPEAKER_04]: It has to be it has to be a certain size the way forge that ring The though the is the you're forging it on the on the horn the animal differently Then you would then you think you just know jigs You know the and they have to like when they're done they have to fit in a mirror like one on top of the other in a mirror image 23:41.176 --> 23:42.359 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 23:42.379 --> 23:53.228 [SPEAKER_04]: So, they were doing tie breakers and I counted, Troy had did the whole complete beautiful shoe in six heats. 23:53.545 --> 23:54.266 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 23:54.506 --> 23:55.467 [SPEAKER_04]: Six heats. 23:56.168 --> 23:56.648 [SPEAKER_00]: Six. 23:56.708 --> 23:57.609 [SPEAKER_00]: The food. 23:57.629 --> 23:58.630 [SPEAKER_04]: Two count. 23:58.650 --> 23:59.231 [SPEAKER_04]: We counted. 23:59.351 --> 24:00.872 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was, I was like, dude, you did that. 24:00.892 --> 24:01.773 [SPEAKER_04]: And he sat down with us. 24:01.813 --> 24:04.336 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was just like really cool before he, you know, won the whole thing. 24:04.796 --> 24:06.197 [SPEAKER_04]: And we were talking, I said, dude, you did that. 24:06.217 --> 24:07.939 [SPEAKER_04]: And sick, dude, I think we did six heats. 24:07.959 --> 24:09.020 [SPEAKER_04]: And he goes, yeah, six heats. 24:09.400 --> 24:22.253 [SPEAKER_04]: Including a forge weld, including the toe clips, including punching, you know, what does this, let's say, eight, six to eight holes, then that's a fit perfectly, the rectangular nails. 24:22.233 --> 24:23.734 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was crazy. 24:24.475 --> 24:25.416 [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy. 24:25.736 --> 24:26.096 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, dude. 24:26.977 --> 24:27.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude. 24:27.478 --> 24:28.278 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, dude. 24:28.318 --> 24:28.779 [SPEAKER_04]: These guys. 24:28.879 --> 24:32.782 [SPEAKER_04]: And here's the funny thing is like, you know, we talk about fortune fire and it's really interesting and stuff. 24:32.803 --> 24:35.085 [SPEAKER_04]: We got these units are so much. 24:35.305 --> 24:38.948 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's not it's almost like they are so good. 24:39.148 --> 24:43.933 [SPEAKER_04]: It's slightly boring because they make it look too easy. 24:43.993 --> 24:44.673 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're not it. 24:44.693 --> 24:47.376 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're not there weren't any spectators who weren't in the business. 24:47.796 --> 24:52.240 [SPEAKER_04]: This wasn't like a glamorous situation where people are just like, I can't wait to see a knife at the end. 24:52.220 --> 25:04.964 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying like that whole rodeo should have been you know, they they they're not that They're not interested they're so proficient and you get to the point where you're looking at them and let unless you forge before you think to yourself Ah, what's the big deal? 25:05.725 --> 25:06.607 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a it's a to me. 25:06.687 --> 25:12.037 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like these motherfuckers are like complex yeah, and it was everything. 25:12.117 --> 25:14.802 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it I was blown away blown away 25:15.828 --> 25:17.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's pretty well. 25:17.372 --> 25:25.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, and you know, all of a sudden, I'm starting to think how am I going to offend the knife-making community with this information? 25:25.955 --> 25:32.132 [SPEAKER_04]: How can I do a hot take that's so offensive that I get like people getting hurt about it? 25:32.112 --> 26:01.866 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, and I thought, you know, I was talking to, you know, Stan Mullen, or I was talking to Troy, and I was just like, yeah, you get dudes of the best, but I'm just talking about the competition guys, the guys he travel all over the world to do they go to the Netherlands, they're competing in count in count in count in Canada, and you're not making a lot of money unless you get to that kind of high level stuff, and a lot of money is just like, you know, but it's shocking, but the thing is the funny, all I can think of to be offensive, all I can think of 26:02.167 --> 26:20.902 [SPEAKER_04]: You and I would have a heart, you and I, I think that spite would be on our side, like I feel like we could practice enough that I think that we could not come in last the novice, if we had enough practice, I feel as though you and I could, I don't, I think you could, I think I think up to all, I don't have that, I don't have it in me. 26:20.922 --> 26:23.567 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a 50 year old guy who was humming. 26:23.547 --> 26:28.973 [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think that I think that even if I had, I could do it, but I couldn't do it like stuff. 26:28.993 --> 26:30.495 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I thought I didn't want to fucking write. 26:30.575 --> 26:31.937 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, what should we do this time? 26:32.157 --> 26:34.459 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do it in, let's take two minutes off the clock. 26:34.800 --> 26:35.260 [SPEAKER_04]: You've nodded. 26:36.262 --> 26:37.963 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like crazy. 26:38.024 --> 26:41.207 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're monitoring the, they don't have someone working the coal fire for them. 26:41.688 --> 26:53.301 [SPEAKER_04]: So they got buckets of coal and then in between, they know when to throw the extra coal on the fire and then they 26:54.108 --> 27:03.329 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, and whatever you want to talk about, whatever you want to ask, however you want to go, if I was a guy like, if I was a guy like Troy, Troy's a nice guy. 27:03.349 --> 27:06.697 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, talking a nice, nice guy, really legitimately. 27:07.138 --> 27:09.383 [SPEAKER_04]: If I was one of these competition barriers. 27:09.768 --> 27:19.161 [SPEAKER_04]: And I went on Instagram and I looked at these fucking guys standing in front of their animals with a hammer across their arms, you know what I'm talking about? 27:19.181 --> 27:20.944 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:20.964 --> 27:21.845 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:21.865 --> 27:22.606 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:23.087 --> 27:24.269 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:24.289 --> 27:25.611 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:26.232 --> 27:26.872 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:26.892 --> 27:27.593 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:27.613 --> 27:28.314 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:28.335 --> 27:29.076 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:29.276 --> 27:30.117 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:30.217 --> 27:30.878 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:30.898 --> 27:31.599 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:31.619 --> 27:32.360 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:32.380 --> 27:33.282 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:33.302 --> 27:33.983 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:34.003 --> 27:35.284 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:35.304 --> 27:36.526 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:36.546 --> 27:37.968 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking about? 27:38.008 --> 27:38.509 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm talking 27:38.489 --> 27:43.216 [SPEAKER_04]: No question, I'll be like, get your send your fucking hammers back here. 27:43.577 --> 27:44.197 [SPEAKER_04]: Go send it back. 27:44.217 --> 27:44.838 [SPEAKER_04]: Go get your money back. 27:44.858 --> 27:45.880 [SPEAKER_04]: Send your hammers back. 27:45.900 --> 27:46.681 [SPEAKER_04]: Get your send your money. 27:46.721 --> 27:47.482 [SPEAKER_04]: Get your hammers back. 27:47.502 --> 27:48.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Send it back. 27:48.063 --> 27:49.225 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not crossing your arms. 27:50.367 --> 27:52.730 [SPEAKER_04]: Get that fucking ammo thrown in the river. 27:52.750 --> 27:54.152 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the word it's going to do better for you. 27:54.613 --> 27:57.477 [SPEAKER_04]: I would be the biggest hater on the planet. 27:57.457 --> 28:06.590 [SPEAKER_04]: So why, because these dudes are like, it's not just about the fact that they, you know, I have some Jonathan Porter-gaming. 28:06.650 --> 28:10.315 [SPEAKER_04]: He was testing to be a journeyman, uh, fairer. 28:10.756 --> 28:13.199 [SPEAKER_04]: And he gave me one of his horseshoes and it's beautiful. 28:13.920 --> 28:15.342 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't see the forge world. 28:15.763 --> 28:16.784 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got the toe clips. 28:17.305 --> 28:19.188 [SPEAKER_04]: You look at it and it's just like this thing is beautiful. 28:19.688 --> 28:20.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:20.289 --> 28:23.734 [SPEAKER_04]: But when, okay, let's say we forge, so we can forge. 28:23.814 --> 28:25.256 [SPEAKER_04]: We forge beautiful things, right? 28:25.737 --> 28:26.157 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 28:26.177 --> 28:27.379 [SPEAKER_04]: That's doing nine minutes. 28:28.017 --> 28:35.327 [SPEAKER_04]: They'll do it as equally as, yeah, now do it, do exactly the beautiful, the highest, the highest level. 28:35.788 --> 28:38.411 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a minute off. 28:38.451 --> 28:53.552 [SPEAKER_04]: Now you do it, and the thing's guys like coughing up, and it's just like, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's extraordinary, and it should be, look, I mean, it's never gonna be as big as like forged fire, but at the same time it's like, it's about as exciting as it gets. 28:54.477 --> 28:59.929 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and I think anybody, any platesmith, who's pounding their chest right now. 28:59.949 --> 29:00.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, pat, pat. 29:00.971 --> 29:01.813 [SPEAKER_00]: You take it, take it step back. 29:01.833 --> 29:03.938 [SPEAKER_01]: These failures are making upwards of $150 an hour. 29:03.958 --> 29:12.857 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I 29:12.837 --> 29:14.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I won. 29:14.279 --> 29:16.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the guys I've met are making around $150. 29:17.283 --> 29:19.246 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, here's what I know. 29:19.266 --> 29:20.047 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like a pretty much. 29:20.147 --> 29:24.534 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll get a better, I'll get a better understanding, because I'm going to go on fortune-brain, fortune-brain's podcast. 29:24.554 --> 29:28.219 [SPEAKER_04]: That's an awesome, that's Riley Kirkpatley's guy, Gavin. 29:28.259 --> 29:32.365 [SPEAKER_04]: I met Gavin down at, uh, down at the NAMR alone, really nice guy. 29:32.345 --> 29:33.407 [SPEAKER_04]: They have the best of us. 29:33.467 --> 29:34.889 [SPEAKER_04]: I met Jim poor some people. 29:34.909 --> 29:36.271 [SPEAKER_04]: Jim poor is like, oh, yeah. 29:36.552 --> 29:41.340 [SPEAKER_04]: Father of of of of of forging of of he. 29:41.500 --> 29:41.941 [SPEAKER_04]: I met him. 29:42.101 --> 29:42.962 [SPEAKER_04]: Ben introduced me to him. 29:42.982 --> 29:45.366 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, because I've seen Jim poor hammers forever. 29:45.867 --> 29:46.067 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 29:46.087 --> 29:48.511 [SPEAKER_04]: I want and he says, I think he introduced me to the Jeff series Jeff. 29:48.592 --> 29:49.293 [SPEAKER_04]: They were all shocked. 29:49.313 --> 29:49.854 [SPEAKER_04]: I was from New York. 29:50.094 --> 29:51.957 [SPEAKER_04]: You came all the way from New York for this. 29:51.937 --> 29:54.800 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, yeah, you know, I've been wanting to go for a long time. 29:54.820 --> 29:55.741 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, you know, the blacksmith. 29:55.841 --> 29:56.902 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even say him a blacksmith. 29:56.922 --> 29:58.083 [SPEAKER_04]: I was so embarrassed. 29:58.103 --> 29:59.585 [SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, I'm in here to watch. 29:59.625 --> 30:01.127 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been wanting to see what you guys do. 30:01.467 --> 30:02.348 [SPEAKER_04]: I admit, you import. 30:02.728 --> 30:02.929 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. 30:02.949 --> 30:05.631 [SPEAKER_04]: This guy older dude, big mustache famous. 30:05.671 --> 30:07.133 [SPEAKER_04]: His hammers are incredibly famous. 30:07.373 --> 30:07.754 [SPEAKER_04]: Probably. 30:08.054 --> 30:16.022 [SPEAKER_04]: If you were to look at hammer makers in the blacksmithing world, he's like, he's in there in the pantheon of Hall of Fame hammer makers. 30:16.663 --> 30:16.763 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 30:16.783 --> 30:18.545 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just sit to him and like, oh, it's a big honor. 30:18.605 --> 30:21.488 [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard so much about you have seen your hammers forever. 30:21.670 --> 30:22.031 [SPEAKER_04]: me. 30:22.091 --> 30:23.774 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, help, bro. 30:23.794 --> 30:24.997 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's got your fucking hours. 30:25.297 --> 30:25.618 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course. 30:25.638 --> 30:28.363 [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard out your hairs for, you know, 15, 60 years. 30:28.944 --> 30:30.788 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, I hope you heard good things. 30:30.828 --> 30:31.850 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, yeah, great things. 30:31.990 --> 30:35.798 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was like he was so nice and everything was really cool. 30:36.520 --> 30:44.748 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, it's, you know, so what it, as I, I might be wrong, you know, the Riley's pilot listen to this and he'll probably, you know, school me. 30:44.868 --> 30:48.372 [SPEAKER_04]: If you, I'm going to have Riley on the next episode of the full blast podcast. 30:48.392 --> 30:50.114 [SPEAKER_04]: So he'll kind of straighten me out. 30:50.134 --> 30:55.779 [SPEAKER_04]: But so what you, what you have is, and I spent a little time with John and Porter, doghouse forging. 30:55.799 --> 30:56.720 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a fairer. 30:56.740 --> 31:05.329 [SPEAKER_04]: So you basically a fairer has some farms and then there, you know, as you, as you, 31:05.309 --> 31:09.316 [SPEAKER_04]: So then there's the hoof and then there's the inside, I think it's called a frog. 31:09.756 --> 31:13.903 [SPEAKER_04]: The frog is the inside of the horse shoe. 31:14.324 --> 31:18.892 [SPEAKER_04]: So as the horse shoes grows, obviously, you know, the, you know, it needs to be clipped and refitted. 31:19.393 --> 31:29.089 [SPEAKER_04]: So they take the old horse shoe off and then they'll clip the down like you clip a tonal or a fingernail and then you make a new shoe, you can't apparently, you can't use 31:29.069 --> 31:31.852 [SPEAKER_04]: the old shoe again, which is like, all right. 31:31.872 --> 31:35.475 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure there are people who reuse the same shoes because you think, well, it fits. 31:35.595 --> 31:40.180 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, you know, well, they can't beat the fuck up and bent and all that kind of shoes. 31:40.200 --> 31:48.208 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I mean, so there's some guys who, like, Riley will not, he, every shoe he makes is forged. 31:48.228 --> 31:52.932 [SPEAKER_04]: He like, he doesn't buy the bar shoes and he, hey, forge his new shoes for every one of his customers. 31:52.952 --> 31:53.853 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah. 31:53.893 --> 31:57.557 [SPEAKER_04]: So, if you have a ranch, let's say there's like five horses on a ramp, 31:57.537 --> 32:09.571 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you would go to the particular ranch every five to six weeks, depending on what they're doing, like if they're competition horses, maybe they're going to shoot more if they're like, you know, working horses, maybe they're going to shoot less. 32:09.611 --> 32:19.782 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not 100% sure, but you have a regular, if you have a ranch or like a stall or stay or whatever, you're going to that place. 32:19.762 --> 32:22.086 [SPEAKER_04]: relatively often as long as as much as they want. 32:22.106 --> 32:27.795 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're scheduling in work with around all these different matches and these kids are tired. 32:28.276 --> 32:28.998 [SPEAKER_04]: They're tired. 32:29.018 --> 32:33.405 [SPEAKER_04]: They're it's like it's such a good work three days a week for days of work because this will physically exhausting. 32:34.186 --> 32:34.306 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 32:34.326 --> 32:37.652 [SPEAKER_04]: We did miss the second day which was the live shooting event. 32:37.632 --> 32:38.773 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, we didn't come up. 32:38.793 --> 32:39.694 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we did enough. 32:39.714 --> 32:40.896 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was the first day. 32:40.916 --> 32:44.980 [SPEAKER_04]: We there from nine to ten, you know, yeah, and it was really cool. 32:45.040 --> 32:46.001 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was really amazing. 32:46.021 --> 32:57.294 [SPEAKER_04]: It was eye opening and I'm like, I feel like I feel like I'm, I don't know, 52 have been doing this for, you know, coming up on 20 something years. 32:57.354 --> 33:02.560 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really neat to see, you know, getting in depth view on other variations of forging. 33:02.540 --> 33:03.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 33:03.502 --> 33:15.606 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like you said, like the level of knowledge that they need to have, like you were just describing taking care of like the hoof and stuff like that, like it's, these horses are such massive investments. 33:15.626 --> 33:19.975 [SPEAKER_01]: It is incredibly important that you're being 33:19.955 --> 33:39.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Careful with these animals too because yeah, I'm sure fairs Probably not intentionally but accidentally cause a horse to become lame because they fuck up the shoe or the foot Somehow and how they're preparing it and how many fucking fairs get and kicked in the face and shit like that like I'm sure they got all kinds of stories 33:39.952 --> 33:42.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think this is such a massive animal. 33:42.594 --> 33:45.537 [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, remember, I was talking about the folder that it's got a side. 33:45.557 --> 33:48.660 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got a chisel that goes flat on one side and then it kicks in. 33:48.700 --> 33:54.445 [SPEAKER_04]: That's meant to make sure that when you pop your holes for the nails, that the nails are angled out. 33:54.865 --> 34:06.775 [SPEAKER_04]: So when you push that when you put the nail, we put the hoof on the foot and you kind of knock in the nail, because the folder has already kind of pushed it on the outside of the nail, the nail will come out of the hoof. 34:07.096 --> 34:09.958 [SPEAKER_04]: So it doesn't go. 34:09.938 --> 34:17.015 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, for sure you know, so so like everything is meant for certain things and I know if you're a fairer Listen to this I know I'm not getting a right goal. 34:17.035 --> 34:20.463 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen but you get a little broad strokes I get the broad strokes. 34:20.503 --> 34:27.660 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I did a decent job, but you know, I think that you know Funny thing is all I could think I was talking to one guy talking to this guy's stand-mones is just a big dude 34:27.640 --> 34:31.586 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was talking about like he wants to he wants to be a competition. 34:31.626 --> 34:39.359 [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to stay in competition He's talking about all the things he's willing to travel all over the world all that and then he said He's you know looking forward to retiring. 34:39.439 --> 34:41.583 [SPEAKER_04]: Guys 28 You're going to retire. 34:41.603 --> 34:42.124 [SPEAKER_04]: I say you know it. 34:42.224 --> 34:46.010 [SPEAKER_04]: I hear this is so hard You could totally retire to be a knife maker. 34:46.050 --> 34:47.052 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to lift that egg. 34:47.072 --> 34:53.462 [SPEAKER_04]: This will find the words is you could do the shit You could do the shit and I started to think up, but you know if you took a knife maker 34:53.442 --> 35:00.811 [SPEAKER_04]: And you took a fairer and you gave a demo to a fairer about how to make a knife. 35:00.831 --> 35:03.515 [SPEAKER_04]: And you gave a demo to a knife maker and how to make a horseshoe. 35:04.256 --> 35:07.019 [SPEAKER_04]: The fairer might kick the black of the blade's moussass. 35:07.820 --> 35:09.182 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, terms of just the forging. 35:09.242 --> 35:10.443 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just talking about the forging. 35:10.463 --> 35:12.967 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not talking about the he treating and the grinding and all that stuff. 35:13.367 --> 35:13.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 35:13.928 --> 35:16.711 [SPEAKER_04]: But it was like these dudes are like they have tiny hammers. 35:17.973 --> 35:19.635 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no miss hits. 35:20.037 --> 35:22.600 [SPEAKER_04]: There are sometimes there's a flatter, but not often. 35:22.680 --> 35:24.081 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 35:24.101 --> 35:28.286 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was like, it was very humbling and eye-opening. 35:28.706 --> 35:28.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:29.387 --> 35:38.777 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, like I said, I haven't watched a ton, but the videos I have watched of fairies doing their thing have always been very impressive to me. 35:39.178 --> 35:39.698 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd love it. 35:39.718 --> 35:40.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially as a forger. 35:40.759 --> 35:41.360 [SPEAKER_04]: You'd love it. 35:41.600 --> 35:47.867 [SPEAKER_04]: You'd love it, because you would totally love it, because it was especially towards the end of the evening when it's like, 35:47.847 --> 36:11.593 [SPEAKER_04]: you're coming down to the final dudes and they're going head to head and then it's like double elimination and you know it's like everything about it is just like it's exciting towards the end and then it was like they had to do it almost like a tiebreaker and you know it was like they had the Troy and the Scott Peter had to do it twice against each other and they were dead after 36:11.573 --> 36:12.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I bet. 36:12.714 --> 36:19.642 [SPEAKER_04]: And the interesting thing, the last thing I'll say is the interesting thing is this is guys from Canada, there were guys from Australia, they guys from Europe. 36:19.662 --> 36:24.287 [SPEAKER_04]: They all speak the same language in regards to the expectation of the final product. 36:24.788 --> 36:26.910 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like, well, in the EUK, we do it like this. 36:27.350 --> 36:33.577 [SPEAKER_04]: They all have the same tools, they have the same hammers, when you say, we're going to do a French, I'm going to make a word up. 36:33.657 --> 36:39.724 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to do a French talklet, we're going to do a French, you know, fucking racing horse, 36:39.704 --> 36:41.908 [SPEAKER_04]: And they all know, they don't have to see. 36:42.308 --> 36:44.071 [SPEAKER_04]: And then at the end, I forgot at the end. 36:44.091 --> 36:46.195 [SPEAKER_04]: So in the beginning, they're like, oh, you've got 10 minutes. 36:46.215 --> 37:01.160 [SPEAKER_04]: You can, you can bring all your tape measures, and you can measure it all up, and measure the hook, and then calculate how much, and then the last guy, Craig Trinca, who's the, who's the, he, I think he runs the whole thing, he was doing this, you know, he was just terrific. 37:01.881 --> 37:06.268 [SPEAKER_04]: He goes, okay, you're not allowed to use a tape, a ruler or tape measure. 37:07.177 --> 37:09.541 [SPEAKER_04]: to measure the horse, to measure the horse foot. 37:10.122 --> 37:17.955 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's more of the fuckers going to look at this foot and then try to calculate in their mind without, I think this time we're going to, I think it's too easy for you. 37:18.255 --> 37:19.838 [SPEAKER_04]: No, don't take measures this time. 37:19.858 --> 37:26.489 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you're just like, we're going to look at this goddamn huff and you've got to figure out how much steel you need plus, there could be this, uh, don't ask. 37:26.509 --> 37:27.090 [SPEAKER_04]: It was amazing. 37:27.771 --> 37:28.392 [SPEAKER_02]: That's great. 37:28.895 --> 37:39.047 [SPEAKER_04]: And that ran with sponsored by even he manufacturers of the finest heat treat ovens to find your next oven, go to evenheet-kill.com and we want to thank our friends at Texas Ferris Supply. 37:39.107 --> 37:40.909 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a guy wearing a Texas Ferris Supply shirt. 37:40.970 --> 37:42.151 [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely saw it. 37:42.171 --> 37:51.482 [SPEAKER_04]: He would, I mean, they were lippile up, there was a pile of people, there was a pile of people wearing Texas Ferris Supply shirts and I'm sure if they were using sandpaper, they'd be using right away. 37:51.522 --> 37:58.851 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you go to TexasFerrisApply.com, put in the promo code night to talk to and you get that right away and everything else in your basket for 10% off. 38:00.620 --> 38:01.722 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude, it was sick. 38:02.042 --> 38:05.328 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there was another dude who had a rasp. 38:05.589 --> 38:07.732 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it wasn't a rasp, like piece of wood. 38:07.772 --> 38:10.858 [SPEAKER_04]: And it looked like he took a two by 72 belt. 38:11.439 --> 38:19.512 [SPEAKER_04]: And he grabbed it around a piece of wood to like to, because they do this hot rasping where they'll put the shoe when it's hot in a little vices. 38:20.093 --> 38:22.437 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they'll clean it up with this rasp. 38:22.477 --> 38:25.142 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they'll clean it up with, they'll take their belts. 38:25.122 --> 38:27.725 [SPEAKER_04]: and they'll wrap it around wood and they'll have different grits of. 38:28.566 --> 38:32.491 [SPEAKER_04]: Most of those dudes didn't have enough time for all that bullshit, but it was just cool. 38:32.831 --> 38:34.033 [SPEAKER_04]: And they know where their tools are. 38:34.053 --> 38:35.514 [SPEAKER_04]: They're everyone's putting their tools out. 38:35.995 --> 38:38.398 [SPEAKER_04]: And no one's like, where's my fucking ritual? 38:39.439 --> 38:42.683 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, no one's just like, where's my goddamn, you know, co-clip cone. 38:42.963 --> 38:45.746 [SPEAKER_04]: They're all like, snatch it up and they're no time to fuck around. 38:46.207 --> 38:47.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now it's impressive. 38:48.129 --> 38:52.935 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the best I've ever done in forging a knife was that, uh, 38:53.877 --> 38:56.642 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was when I was at a dragon's breath forge. 38:56.662 --> 38:58.044 [SPEAKER_01]: We used to do the silly competition. 38:58.064 --> 38:59.987 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the hot the hot wing competition. 39:00.048 --> 39:00.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:00.448 --> 39:06.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I I got the blade forged in 10 he's that's right. 39:06.398 --> 39:06.999 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember that. 39:07.400 --> 39:16.155 [SPEAKER_04]: But um, but yeah, I think I think you did I go for a little bit or did I watch I can't remember I can't I think it 39:16.338 --> 39:21.663 [SPEAKER_01]: I know go ahead a bunch of guys were there, like Josh Prenson, Jo, other guys in the Northeast were there. 39:22.984 --> 39:27.368 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I decided I wanted to go extra heat to kind of dial in my shape. 39:27.929 --> 39:29.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a like finicky shit. 39:31.372 --> 39:32.893 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, 10, about 10. 39:32.933 --> 39:34.074 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the best I've done. 39:34.094 --> 39:38.078 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a blacksmith with like the handle that wraps back around. 39:38.358 --> 39:40.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right underneath the heel and all that. 39:40.901 --> 39:45.585 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the better competition for like fortune fire. 39:45.683 --> 39:47.226 [SPEAKER_04]: and it's like head to head. 39:47.667 --> 39:54.119 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not just saying fortune fires and like if you ever knife making a competition, well, it would be interesting would be heets. 39:54.139 --> 39:56.043 [SPEAKER_04]: Heets is your how many heets can you do it in? 39:56.183 --> 39:56.805 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, to me. 39:57.125 --> 39:58.488 [SPEAKER_04]: And here's the funny thing about that. 39:58.508 --> 40:03.658 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember the competition because it was based off of, I remember this because I was just like you guys. 40:03.638 --> 40:11.707 [SPEAKER_04]: You guys in a hot wing, a hot wing challenge, and every time you had to put the heat in, you had to eat a hotter and hotter wing. 40:11.727 --> 40:16.051 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the problem is, is you fucking guys have like cast iron stomachs, none of you thought it was hot. 40:16.532 --> 40:20.656 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I remember you, especially you're going for the hottest stuff and you're not making a face. 40:21.177 --> 40:21.718 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't make a face. 40:21.738 --> 40:23.299 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, what was the competition? 40:23.319 --> 40:26.222 [SPEAKER_04]: You shouldn't put some like, you know, gasoline on it or something like that. 40:26.242 --> 40:27.544 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a big monster. 40:27.564 --> 40:28.265 [SPEAKER_04]: You eat it all. 40:28.285 --> 40:31.468 [SPEAKER_04]: You're just like, not a, I remember you didn't make a face. 40:31.567 --> 40:52.798 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if anybody wants to look it up, it's called the hot sauce hammer off from the dragon's mouth for which yeah, it was and we went and it was based off we were watching a lot of hot ones yeah, which is the hot wing interview show on you to and we actually bought this the set of hot sauces from that season of the hot ones and we because we were watching it and 40:52.778 --> 40:56.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it, and so we made these silly videos, these silly companies. 40:56.629 --> 41:05.032 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was funny, except for I think, I think it, looking back, I think you should guys should have handed up, because obviously, none of it was too hot for any of you, you were just like, okay, this is fine. 41:05.112 --> 41:07.699 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, put this shit in my coffee, I don't give a fuck. 41:08.168 --> 41:11.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they were hot for sure. 41:11.773 --> 41:13.316 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, yeah, but you didn't make a face. 41:13.696 --> 41:16.861 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, people want to see people want to see you uncomfortable and you didn't make a face. 41:17.582 --> 41:21.208 [SPEAKER_04]: They wanted you to be like, oh, how are you going back to work? 41:21.468 --> 41:23.170 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we got to start hiccuping and shit now. 41:23.191 --> 41:24.633 [SPEAKER_04]: You do it either. 41:24.793 --> 41:27.617 [SPEAKER_04]: You refuse to give the people what they wanted was your misery. 41:27.637 --> 41:29.820 [SPEAKER_04]: You will give anybody any misery. 41:29.840 --> 41:32.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say, I agree. 41:32.224 --> 41:34.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the failures, it's 41:35.219 --> 41:36.801 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty impressive. 41:37.502 --> 41:41.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's nothing short of impressive to see them working. 41:41.347 --> 41:48.557 [SPEAKER_01]: The way they swing their hammers, too, is so different from most blacksmiths or bladesmiths. 41:48.597 --> 41:59.792 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen forge accept for bladesmiths to have a fairer background, but yeah, it's really, really impressive. 41:59.772 --> 42:10.151 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's also, I mean, there's like a very standard education, you know, it's like, because there's no wiggle room in regards the expectations of the final outcome. 42:10.712 --> 42:16.363 [SPEAKER_04]: So what the crazy part is is you, so that would make you think that there's an order of operations. 42:16.343 --> 42:24.373 [SPEAKER_04]: There's, you know, you know, if you're driving to a destination, there's 10 different ways you can go about the final product. 42:24.393 --> 42:24.653 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 42:24.673 --> 42:27.657 [SPEAKER_04]: So like, there was one part where they had to forge weld. 42:27.797 --> 42:28.879 [SPEAKER_04]: So there was two bars. 42:29.059 --> 42:30.140 [SPEAKER_04]: One was smaller than the other. 42:30.440 --> 42:32.683 [SPEAKER_04]: And they'd forge weld it into the middle. 42:33.104 --> 42:36.027 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the left side of the horseshoe would be thinner than the right side. 42:36.648 --> 42:40.553 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, one guy forged welded to begin with. 42:40.573 --> 42:45.439 [SPEAKER_04]: And then this, and then Troy decided to forge them to shape then. 42:45.419 --> 42:46.120 [SPEAKER_04]: Forge well to me. 42:46.220 --> 42:48.362 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw he has that posted on actually. 42:48.502 --> 42:49.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was. 42:50.064 --> 42:51.386 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to check that out. 42:51.446 --> 42:51.966 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on there. 42:52.226 --> 42:52.547 [SPEAKER_04]: Creek. 42:52.707 --> 42:53.007 [SPEAKER_04]: It's thing. 42:53.027 --> 42:58.233 [SPEAKER_04]: It's Creek under up a pine underscore Creek underscore forge. 42:58.573 --> 42:58.794 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 42:58.914 --> 43:00.616 [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's different way. 43:00.696 --> 43:07.063 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so that makes it even harder to, if unless you know, for me, it was like, I was, I thought, maybe, all right, here's what they're going to do first. 43:07.123 --> 43:08.584 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they're going to do this and then they're going to do that. 43:09.065 --> 43:11.848 [SPEAKER_04]: You can skin a cat 10 different ways to get the final. 43:11.828 --> 43:21.677 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I hate that expression, but you get up to so many different ways in which to get the federal product and it's based off of time, crazy, all right. 43:21.697 --> 43:25.161 [SPEAKER_04]: I've said I'm 45 minutes I'm sorry, but at the same time, you're good. 43:25.181 --> 43:37.853 [SPEAKER_04]: The same time, like if you wanted to listen, if you want to know more about competition, forging, go listen to the forging brains compound cast that's Gavin and Riley Kirkpatrick and it's a great podcast and yeah. 43:37.833 --> 43:51.769 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's, you go down a, it would be really cool if more knife makers were kind of using the fairier mindset because it's so much more about the discipline and efficiency. 43:52.409 --> 44:01.039 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, we're talking to this guy, Chris Mollon, or, you know, Stan Mollon, he's talking about somebody, and I was talking about somebody else and he goes, yeah, guys, good, but he's too slow. 44:02.285 --> 44:18.284 [SPEAKER_04]: You imagine you imagine you imagine you're forging of knife with another guy and your guys are you know the final output's good And then you give the guy come, but yeah, this guy's really good and he I said yeah, he's too slow Too slow by a minute or two. 44:18.564 --> 44:25.012 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we're talking about like it takes him 10 weeks to make a knife We're talking about like yeah, he's two minutes too short too slow. 44:25.492 --> 44:27.735 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like you fucking crazy 44:28.205 --> 44:29.148 [SPEAKER_04]: Totally crazy. 44:29.408 --> 44:30.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, times money, right? 44:30.411 --> 44:37.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're getting into these stables and they're ideally slamming out all of the horses. 44:38.009 --> 44:39.671 [SPEAKER_01]: or they have some sort of circuit. 44:39.772 --> 44:40.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 44:40.352 --> 44:42.395 [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, yeah, that's slamming him up. 44:42.415 --> 44:43.617 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I got you with you saying. 44:43.657 --> 44:45.780 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think they are nice. 44:45.820 --> 44:46.902 [SPEAKER_04]: The horses, but I don't think. 44:47.022 --> 44:49.065 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I get what you're saying. 44:49.125 --> 44:49.826 [SPEAKER_04]: I get what you're saying. 44:49.846 --> 44:50.587 [SPEAKER_04]: I get what you're saying. 44:51.028 --> 44:52.690 [SPEAKER_01]: And time is money. 44:52.830 --> 44:56.616 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're depending on the size of the state, like there may be doing multiple. 44:57.016 --> 44:57.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 44:57.237 --> 44:57.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 44:57.697 --> 44:58.098 [SPEAKER_00]: 100%. 44:58.118 --> 45:00.962 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like it's wild. 45:01.837 --> 45:20.453 [SPEAKER_01]: how important that timing is for getting these horseshoes done and because really it's all on you like you charge a flat rate and then you're spoke no matter if it takes you 10 minutes or 25 minutes you get charged the same amount. 45:20.433 --> 45:23.820 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think that I have a feeling, I'm not a hundred percent sure. 45:23.860 --> 45:28.469 [SPEAKER_04]: I would imagine that they'd do work because it's like one of those businesses where you're coming back all the time. 45:28.509 --> 45:29.972 [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's probably a rate. 45:30.673 --> 45:42.677 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I don't think it's like they're clocking in and clocking out every ranch, but I think that you're probably thinking yourself, okay, I charge, you know, so it's taking me so many hours to finish this ranch and then I'll just do it, you know, and then I charge it based on that, but 45:42.657 --> 45:59.117 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's amazing it's it's it's a funny thing is for years when I would refer to myself as a blacksmith People's the only issue horses and I'd be like fuck I don't know I don't my fucking fairier and now I'm just like no I'm not good enough to be a fucking horse you are oh for sure I'm not like I'm a fucking cater guard there. 45:59.197 --> 46:01.099 [SPEAKER_04]: Those guys are like in master's degree. 46:01.279 --> 46:11.652 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like It's crazy and they love the horses and these goddamn horses are so big these animals are all so big, you know, and then the last thing Let's say about the trip 46:11.632 --> 46:13.558 [SPEAKER_04]: I had the Texas Barbecue. 46:14.922 --> 46:17.545 [SPEAKER_04]: They took me to Ben took me to a place called Tyler's. 46:17.886 --> 46:19.768 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like really well-known in Texas. 46:20.569 --> 46:24.694 [SPEAKER_04]: This was the best barbecue I've ever had in my life. 46:25.335 --> 46:25.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh. 46:26.016 --> 46:26.156 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh. 46:26.717 --> 46:27.498 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a big statement. 46:27.858 --> 46:28.659 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, buy a mile. 46:28.699 --> 46:33.145 [SPEAKER_04]: And I have competition barbecue guys in New York that I make knives for, and I do want to post about it. 46:33.685 --> 46:38.912 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I was going to say this Tyler has flown to the doors of every, this Texas barbecue is totally legit. 46:39.533 --> 46:43.157 [SPEAKER_04]: So we get there and they're, I'm thinking of myself, well, they're not the pressures on what am I going to order? 46:43.137 --> 46:51.807 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and what there's going to be about three meats and you get it for me to the bread Oh, yeah, it's fucking and I'm thinking why I got to go back it's lunch. 46:52.087 --> 46:52.968 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to go back to this guy. 46:52.988 --> 46:53.709 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't fair thing. 46:53.729 --> 46:56.092 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to be like, you know, having explosive whatever. 46:56.472 --> 47:00.477 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't want to be like a wreck So Ben says I get a sandwich. 47:00.737 --> 47:01.157 [SPEAKER_04]: You get it. 47:01.238 --> 47:02.940 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a chop meat chop brisket. 47:03.380 --> 47:06.023 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with sliced sausage on top 47:06.003 --> 47:07.604 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm taking myself under her to that before. 47:07.825 --> 47:08.425 [SPEAKER_04]: You ever heard of that? 47:08.765 --> 47:10.427 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like, oh, you have all right. 47:10.447 --> 47:11.588 [SPEAKER_04]: Why are you heard of it? 47:11.608 --> 47:15.731 [SPEAKER_04]: So you pick your, you know, get your wrist getting the guys chopping it up and he's pushing it up. 47:15.751 --> 47:16.852 [SPEAKER_04]: That you only think I didn't like about it. 47:16.892 --> 47:18.393 [SPEAKER_04]: He's pushing it up in his hand and making a pad. 47:18.433 --> 47:18.914 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like that. 47:18.954 --> 47:20.335 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's, that's, you know, me. 47:20.935 --> 47:22.257 [SPEAKER_04]: And these will kind of sauces you money. 47:22.297 --> 47:23.638 [SPEAKER_04]: So what's the best one they have? 47:23.658 --> 47:26.420 [SPEAKER_04]: He's all the one people like the jalapeno cheddar sausage. 47:26.880 --> 47:27.361 [SPEAKER_04]: So this done. 47:27.401 --> 47:28.862 [SPEAKER_04]: It's slew some slicing up this thing. 47:28.902 --> 47:29.703 [SPEAKER_04]: He puts it on the bun. 47:29.983 --> 47:32.825 [SPEAKER_04]: He puts the goddamn slice sausage, smoke sauce on top. 47:33.266 --> 47:33.846 [SPEAKER_04]: We sit down. 47:33.866 --> 47:35.908 [SPEAKER_04]: I get a low star beer. 47:35.888 --> 47:41.937 [SPEAKER_04]: I take a bite of this guy at the end of sandwich and I'm immediately sad, I'm immediately sad. 47:41.957 --> 47:48.207 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling a student to the first bite, I think to myself, I feel as though someone died. 47:48.828 --> 47:54.296 [SPEAKER_04]: And the feeling is, I will never have a sandwich like this again when I finish this sandwich. 47:54.857 --> 47:57.120 [SPEAKER_04]: I will never probably be at this place again. 47:57.539 --> 48:08.174 [SPEAKER_04]: I was sad, I was like blown away and the only thing that I couldn't stop thinking about this guy in Barbecue, I'm glad I didn't want to say I wish I could've eaten 10. 48:09.395 --> 48:09.576 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 48:10.677 --> 48:15.404 [SPEAKER_04]: As a day progress, I, you know, as one does, you're burping a lot, right? 48:15.844 --> 48:16.285 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 48:16.645 --> 48:17.927 [SPEAKER_04]: Every burp. 48:17.907 --> 48:22.520 [SPEAKER_04]: It reminded you of how good the lunch was. 48:23.262 --> 48:26.351 [SPEAKER_04]: Every burp was this beautiful dream. 48:26.391 --> 48:33.351 [SPEAKER_04]: This beautiful memory of how it every time at a subatomic level, I'm thinking to myself, God. 48:33.331 --> 48:35.914 [SPEAKER_04]: Damn, that food was good, and I'm never gonna probably have it again. 48:36.135 --> 48:43.945 [SPEAKER_04]: I might go back to Emerald, I'm a for sure, but it was just like, but it was, it was a 100,000 percent, it was just, I had a longing. 48:44.345 --> 48:48.271 [SPEAKER_04]: Each perp, I was, I was, I was longing for that sandwich. 48:49.933 --> 48:51.054 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been like that before. 48:51.094 --> 48:53.017 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you know, you know how I am. 48:53.277 --> 48:54.499 [SPEAKER_04]: I eat something, I'm gonna say that's fine. 48:55.420 --> 48:57.142 [SPEAKER_04]: I was, yeah, that's fine. 48:57.182 --> 48:57.563 [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine. 48:57.583 --> 48:59.946 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna, this guy 49:01.681 --> 49:03.286 [SPEAKER_04]: They're sad right now aren't you? 49:03.366 --> 49:05.192 [SPEAKER_04]: You can say I don't remember it anymore. 49:05.212 --> 49:06.015 [SPEAKER_04]: See here's a problem. 49:06.035 --> 49:07.038 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember it anymore. 49:07.058 --> 49:07.801 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember it's great. 49:08.162 --> 49:11.252 [SPEAKER_04]: But if I had one of those barbecue burps right now, I'd start weeping. 49:13.291 --> 49:13.972 [SPEAKER_01]: I could sold. 49:14.433 --> 49:21.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to always, all right, I still job that, you know it meals good when you burp and you, and you feel you're happy about it. 49:21.644 --> 49:23.207 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you broke. 49:23.227 --> 49:24.629 [SPEAKER_04]: I was burp, and I was turning to Ben. 49:24.809 --> 49:26.432 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was just like, man, that was good. 49:26.452 --> 49:30.338 [SPEAKER_04]: Every time I, every time I burped and I didn't burp loud, I burped. 49:30.899 --> 49:31.399 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah sure. 49:31.640 --> 49:33.122 [SPEAKER_04]: God damn that lunch was good. 49:33.102 --> 49:40.419 [SPEAKER_04]: Every time that it says, I'm like, it's like, it's like, you want to date with the most beautiful, you know, the love of your life, and then she's left. 49:40.799 --> 49:45.650 [SPEAKER_04]: But you're remembering, remembering how great of a date it was, where you're just like eating that love face. 49:45.670 --> 49:46.733 [SPEAKER_04]: I was in that love face. 49:46.753 --> 49:47.414 [SPEAKER_04]: I was burping. 49:47.434 --> 49:49.940 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, oh god damn, I remember that. 49:49.960 --> 49:51.263 [SPEAKER_04]: It was crazy. 49:51.378 --> 49:52.200 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, crazy. 49:52.220 --> 49:52.581 [SPEAKER_04]: Tastes. 49:53.223 --> 49:54.566 [SPEAKER_04]: Shout out to Texas, baby. 49:55.107 --> 49:55.889 [SPEAKER_04]: Shout out to Texas. 49:55.929 --> 49:57.573 [SPEAKER_04]: I did have one incident, but we talking good. 49:57.854 --> 50:01.744 [SPEAKER_04]: I did have one incident with another guy for, but we're gonna talk about that down the line. 50:01.784 --> 50:04.130 [SPEAKER_04]: I gotta put some space. 50:04.150 --> 50:05.834 [SPEAKER_04]: I gotta put some space between the incident. 50:06.175 --> 50:08.240 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, comedy is strategy plus time. 50:08.300 --> 50:08.661 [SPEAKER_04]: So. 50:08.641 --> 50:13.425 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to comment up and then with that said guys, if you need to get anything you need anything you need. 50:13.445 --> 50:19.211 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to go to Maritime Knife Supply, Maritime Knife Supply, Maritime Knife Supply.com is your one-stop shop for knife makers, steel belts, braces, handlebatures. 50:19.491 --> 50:23.094 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to talk about this new, we got some big with damnist steel and we're going to talk about it. 50:23.154 --> 50:24.876 [SPEAKER_04]: How Maritime Knife Supply is involved. 50:24.896 --> 50:25.436 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 50:25.476 --> 50:31.281 [SPEAKER_04]: Go to Maritime Knife Supply.com, put in the promo code, do nothing and I'm not saying I'm saying no, put a promo code in. 50:31.301 --> 50:38.648 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get 10% off of packet 10 brace of belts. 50:38.628 --> 50:42.373 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I've I've hijacked everything, but no you're good. 50:42.554 --> 50:55.592 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I agree like the best barbecue I've ever had in my life was made by a former Texas barbecue competitor From Texas and whose fucking name was Dallas? 50:56.854 --> 51:05.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the best the best brisket and the best Smoke sausages I ever had and honestly 51:05.459 --> 51:12.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love the meats, like all the, like the brisket and the pork and the turkey and the chicken, all that fucking love the sausages. 51:13.648 --> 51:14.469 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a sausage. 51:14.489 --> 51:15.070 [SPEAKER_04]: There you go. 51:15.550 --> 51:17.032 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you. 51:17.052 --> 51:17.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 51:17.452 --> 51:17.933 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you. 51:18.033 --> 51:20.235 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to say we've got a fucking pan. 51:20.616 --> 51:21.697 [SPEAKER_04]: Do all here's the funny part. 51:21.717 --> 51:26.202 [SPEAKER_04]: Like now the vast few years in New York, it's just like, you know, the ex. 51:26.222 --> 51:29.185 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, if you talk about eating hot dogs and glissies, everyone goes, A.L. 51:29.546 --> 51:33.390 [SPEAKER_04]: But when you're in Texas and you have one of them fucking things, you're just like, 51:33.370 --> 51:34.451 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not playing enough. 51:34.711 --> 51:37.053 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not because don't fucking say AL around me anywhere. 51:37.073 --> 51:40.076 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not allowed because this is like, you're right. 51:40.456 --> 51:47.182 [SPEAKER_04]: I was surprised at how I think and how good could a jalapeno cheddar, smoke sausage beaners, like bro, I'm about to cry. 51:47.783 --> 51:48.744 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm about to cry. 51:49.244 --> 51:57.331 [SPEAKER_04]: Like literally, I'm eating a sandwich and I'm just trying not to wolf it down and I'm thinking to myself, if I did wolf it down, could I get some more? 51:57.491 --> 52:01.555 [SPEAKER_04]: And unfortunately, he's gonna get ruined and but Ben's truck while we're waiting. 52:01.535 --> 52:03.878 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, I just got to walk away from this shit. 52:03.959 --> 52:04.640 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to walk away. 52:04.680 --> 52:05.641 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a one time deal. 52:05.761 --> 52:07.324 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to walk away and be able to make it. 52:07.344 --> 52:08.666 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no mailing it or anything. 52:08.706 --> 52:10.008 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like that. 52:10.028 --> 52:15.496 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he can, so shout out to Tyler's barber, you're ain't listening to this, but I mean, in Amarillo, it's like, it's crazy. 52:15.516 --> 52:23.247 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to say one thing about Texan's that is, I'm going to be disrespectful about, you guys take your barbeque for granted. 52:23.888 --> 52:25.991 [SPEAKER_04]: You're all a little bit plaza about it. 52:26.071 --> 52:27.634 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't realize what you have. 52:27.734 --> 52:29.837 [SPEAKER_04]: You should show a little bit more respect. 52:29.817 --> 52:34.145 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all I'm gonna say you guys have cornered the market. 52:35.127 --> 52:43.843 [SPEAKER_04]: I know South Carolina All the ribs and all this bullshit you check this people you're a little bit too comfortable with how good your barbecue is 52:44.212 --> 52:53.411 [SPEAKER_04]: You should be a little bit more reverential towards these guys because there wasn't a line out the door at this place Tyler's barbecue and I'm thinking to myself, these motherfuckers are a little bit too blasey. 52:53.651 --> 52:54.573 [SPEAKER_01]: They're sleeping on it. 52:54.713 --> 52:56.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't know. 52:56.336 --> 52:57.759 [SPEAKER_01]: They're useless. 52:58.300 --> 52:59.182 [SPEAKER_04]: They're useless to it. 52:59.222 --> 53:02.068 [SPEAKER_04]: They're for a first world problems territory. 53:03.280 --> 53:04.121 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying? 53:04.142 --> 53:05.764 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh yeah, my pulls too warm. 53:06.025 --> 53:08.469 [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you, you have the best pull that in the neighborhood. 53:08.790 --> 53:09.130 [SPEAKER_04]: Got up. 53:10.012 --> 53:14.079 [SPEAKER_04]: So, Texans, I'm saying this respectfully, show a little bit more respect. 53:14.099 --> 53:16.744 [SPEAKER_04]: Your barbecue is, it may be cry. 53:16.784 --> 53:17.966 [SPEAKER_04]: Almost. 53:18.086 --> 53:18.607 [SPEAKER_04]: I almost cry. 53:18.627 --> 53:19.088 [SPEAKER_04]: I was close. 53:19.649 --> 53:22.914 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't cry at all these Texans, you know, Jesus. 53:23.876 --> 53:27.803 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if you cried over the barbecue, they wouldn't be mad at you. 53:29.926 --> 53:30.547 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 53:31.909 --> 53:33.051 [SPEAKER_04]: These kids are like, I'm gonna be played. 53:33.071 --> 53:35.014 [SPEAKER_04]: These motherfuckers play it pretty close to the vest. 53:35.154 --> 53:38.298 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not 100% sure, I'm gonna hit, and oh, and shout out to the snores. 53:38.859 --> 53:40.201 [SPEAKER_04]: They made incredible food. 53:40.542 --> 53:41.904 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna tell you what they made. 53:42.585 --> 53:45.970 [SPEAKER_04]: They made amazing biscuits and gravy. 53:46.471 --> 53:50.316 [SPEAKER_04]: They made three Tom Hawks stakes that were shocking league. 53:50.336 --> 53:58.228 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I say shockingly, I don't know, like beef, but that was really good with like, you made pan roast, you know, cast iron potatoes. 53:58.208 --> 54:01.072 [SPEAKER_04]: I do like beef, but I've never had a time walk before. 54:01.473 --> 54:02.394 [SPEAKER_04]: It was awesome. 54:02.414 --> 54:02.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 54:02.534 --> 54:03.896 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the last day was there. 54:03.936 --> 54:12.348 [SPEAKER_04]: He had this James beard recipe for this potato pancake with Greer cheese in it and then you make this potato pancake. 54:12.388 --> 54:17.254 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you put smoked trout and a poached egg on top with tomatillo salsa. 54:17.274 --> 54:21.280 [SPEAKER_04]: Ben Snow or ladies and gentlemen, there's a lot of layers to his onion dude. 54:21.698 --> 54:24.964 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a complex individual complex. 54:25.105 --> 54:25.566 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it. 54:26.107 --> 54:26.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 54:26.908 --> 54:27.750 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, there you go. 54:27.850 --> 54:28.531 [SPEAKER_04]: That's an hour. 54:28.932 --> 54:32.940 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry But I mean it was like, you know, I felt like it was you know, that was good. 54:32.960 --> 54:35.645 [SPEAKER_01]: So my last week Don't you know, you should tell me. 54:35.826 --> 54:37.609 [SPEAKER_04]: I fucking took the whole thing out of here. 54:37.629 --> 54:40.635 [SPEAKER_04]: We got what you I deserve it 54:40.615 --> 54:42.018 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. 54:42.460 --> 54:53.005 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the most important things that I got to say about what I got going on is I'm going to be teaching at the Louisiana knife association hammering in Robert Louisiana. 54:53.026 --> 54:56.093 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a John Parallelose 54:56.596 --> 55:13.660 [SPEAKER_01]: shop it's a facility I actually taught at last year uh yeah two February's ago uh it's very good facility I'm excited to be there uh teaching alongside um oh Mr. Poetier I think his name is John Poetier or Goddamn 55:13.640 --> 55:15.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, Tim, Tim Poetier. 55:15.844 --> 55:18.227 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, he teaches the New England School of Medicine. 55:18.247 --> 55:19.429 [SPEAKER_01]: He does, he does indeed. 55:19.850 --> 55:20.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. 55:20.591 --> 55:22.494 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'll be teaching alongside him. 55:22.575 --> 55:24.257 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a one day event. 55:24.277 --> 55:26.281 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be on May 16th. 55:26.761 --> 55:27.523 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a Saturday. 55:27.643 --> 55:31.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're in the Louisiana area, there are people coming from. 55:31.249 --> 55:33.532 [SPEAKER_01]: I know they're a folk coming from Alabama. 55:33.813 --> 55:35.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably released some from Texas. 55:35.496 --> 55:36.858 [SPEAKER_01]: People are coming from all around. 55:36.898 --> 55:38.701 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really cool facility, like I said. 55:38.721 --> 55:40.103 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably... 55:40.083 --> 55:43.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, it's probably like close to 6,000 square feet. 55:43.976 --> 55:44.257 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 55:44.457 --> 55:47.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Just the forging portion of the like of the anyways. 55:48.129 --> 55:48.511 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool. 55:48.651 --> 55:48.992 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. 55:49.333 --> 55:50.296 [SPEAKER_01]: The food's good out there. 55:50.317 --> 55:52.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's gonna be a good time. 55:52.773 --> 55:56.321 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, so that's May 16th. 55:56.782 --> 56:01.652 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be in at Blade Show, teaching at Blade University again. 56:01.673 --> 56:02.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you can teach. 56:03.416 --> 56:06.623 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be teaching Damascus Appreciation. 56:07.124 --> 56:09.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 56:09.169 --> 56:12.857 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one's going to be Damascus Pattern Flow. 56:12.837 --> 56:28.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Damascus appreciation is where I'm going to break down the process of developing different patterns and it's going to be kind of a progression thing from kind of like the most I've tried to get away from the term basic in regards to Damascus patterns and I'm using the term I think it's too woke. 56:28.660 --> 56:30.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it hurts people's feelings. 56:30.202 --> 56:31.043 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's too woke. 56:31.464 --> 56:32.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it hurts people. 56:32.165 --> 56:33.807 [SPEAKER_04]: Bro, you know what the fairers would say? 56:33.827 --> 56:36.071 [SPEAKER_04]: They would say fuck your feelings. 56:36.091 --> 56:36.812 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what the fairers would say? 56:36.832 --> 56:37.513 [SPEAKER_04]: They would say fuck your feelings. 56:37.533 --> 56:38.915 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what the fuck if you're hurt. 56:38.935 --> 56:42.139 [SPEAKER_04]: They have a loser's category for my mistakes. 56:42.440 --> 56:42.540 [UNKNOWN]: What? 56:42.520 --> 56:46.776 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I mean, that's how double elimination works is the loser's bracket. 56:47.667 --> 57:14.535 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but anyways, I've started using the term foundational patterns, but anyways, so where I break down the patterns and build upon them, so up and up to some of the more complex patterns, as best as I can, honestly, in like an hour and a half, normally this would be like a whole at least day of me lecturing that I'm trying to cram into this hour to hour and a half. 57:14.515 --> 57:16.559 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's it's more than anything. 57:16.599 --> 57:19.445 [SPEAKER_01]: It's to help hopefully get some collectors in there help, right? 57:20.227 --> 57:31.630 [SPEAKER_01]: Help collectors and buyers really kind of better appreciate the effort in the energy and the forethought and the planning and everything that goes into making some of these insanely 57:31.610 --> 57:33.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Complex mosaic mask is patterns. 57:34.494 --> 57:35.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 57:35.194 --> 57:52.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a lot of people who will see a random pattern random patterns great But it's not the same pattern as a complex mosaic the mask just that takes like five days to make right so it's helping people to under like to bridge that gap and understand Where that shift in this slap some of these collectors around I get it. 57:52.916 --> 57:53.857 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. 57:53.918 --> 57:58.343 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know you should call instead of basic you should call what should I do shit house 57:58.559 --> 58:00.382 [SPEAKER_04]: That was really funny. 58:00.402 --> 58:01.163 [SPEAKER_04]: She caused shit out. 58:01.463 --> 58:01.724 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 58:01.744 --> 58:02.405 [SPEAKER_04]: We're not talking about that. 58:02.425 --> 58:05.690 [SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna tell you we're gonna talk about the shit house patterns, you know. 58:05.770 --> 58:11.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Like really kind of like lean into being lean into being like, you know, you don't be mean. 58:11.599 --> 58:11.859 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 58:12.019 --> 58:12.340 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 58:12.400 --> 58:12.861 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding. 58:13.041 --> 58:13.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're good. 58:13.982 --> 58:16.707 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other class, like I said, is Damascus Pattern Flow. 58:16.727 --> 58:23.537 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's where I discuss the approach or my approach and anticipating how the mosaic Damascus patterns. 58:23.517 --> 58:41.084 [SPEAKER_01]: expand and so how to plan for that and anticipate that expansion so you can have better for kind of a more advanced approach to Damascus, making it have better control basically over how the pattern expands and presents in the final piece. 58:41.184 --> 58:46.032 [SPEAKER_01]: I think unfortunately a lot of people 58:46.012 --> 58:53.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Not as well, I guess the understanding is lacking, and I often see people be like, why did it end up doing this? 58:53.525 --> 58:54.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't it end up doing that? 58:54.467 --> 59:05.586 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that is not understanding how the material is expanding and flowing throughout the length of the blade from your starting block or starting bar into the blade shape. 59:05.606 --> 59:08.010 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's going to experience some distortion. 59:08.130 --> 59:09.853 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the point in that class. 59:09.873 --> 59:10.594 [SPEAKER_04]: So that'll be great. 59:10.655 --> 59:11.496 [SPEAKER_04]: When is that? 59:11.577 --> 59:17.326 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a blade show that's going to be I believe it's the first it kicks right off. 59:17.947 --> 59:24.698 [SPEAKER_01]: So blade show this year is Friday the fifth Saturday six and Sunday the seventh of June. 59:25.399 --> 59:27.062 [SPEAKER_01]: So fifth six and seventh of June. 59:27.142 --> 59:31.309 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very excited to see a lot of people haven't seen in a while. 59:31.790 --> 59:34.594 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be hanging out with our friend Tray Hill. 59:35.115 --> 59:35.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh nice. 59:35.776 --> 59:37.078 [SPEAKER_01]: Tray Hill customs. 59:37.058 --> 59:38.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, third hill castle. 59:38.521 --> 59:39.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Trace a great guy. 59:39.363 --> 59:43.390 [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't seen his work go check him out. 59:43.410 --> 59:44.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, third hill. 59:44.132 --> 59:45.875 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the number three R.D. 59:45.895 --> 59:47.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Hill on Instagram. 59:48.741 --> 59:50.504 [SPEAKER_01]: His hormones are fucking rad. 59:51.486 --> 59:52.809 [SPEAKER_01]: He's my favorite home home guy. 59:52.829 --> 59:56.736 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's basically what I've had going on. 59:56.757 --> 59:58.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been in the shop a little bit. 59:58.540 --> 01:00:15.351 [SPEAKER_01]: here and there I got other stuff going on my life and uh yeah so i'm just trying to keep my head on straight and you do a good job focus on what i can control and let go of the shit that can't look at you and uh sounds like i'm quoting the a a 01:00:16.208 --> 01:00:17.851 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, that's something wrong with that. 01:00:18.031 --> 01:00:18.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it all the wrong with that? 01:00:18.913 --> 01:00:20.656 [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's not what I was about. 01:00:21.538 --> 01:00:23.181 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's where I'm at in my life right now. 01:00:23.321 --> 01:00:25.105 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, yeah, that's it. 01:00:25.125 --> 01:00:30.174 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I don't have a whole like expose a on being that a very competition with anything. 01:00:30.214 --> 01:00:35.905 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's not to mention I got incredible art video a couple days ago about the fucking Bobcat that was 01:00:35.885 --> 01:00:38.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I was going to ask you about the Bobcat. 01:00:38.412 --> 01:00:38.593 [SPEAKER_04]: Bro! 01:00:38.793 --> 01:00:45.693 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have a Bobcat and I see him, I saw this Bobcat for the first time last year. 01:00:45.713 --> 01:00:48.601 [SPEAKER_04]: I was on the phone and I was walking around outside and I saw this Bobcat. 01:00:48.621 --> 01:00:51.008 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, holy shit, that's a Bobcat. 01:00:50.988 --> 01:01:06.629 [SPEAKER_04]: and then I got pictures of it walking away and then it came and then usually I usually see it around midday on hot days like hot like it's like two one thirty two o'clock he'll walk down my road and then I saw him again in June and put some water out for him. 01:01:06.649 --> 01:01:09.553 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't do anything because I thought about you to watch him hang it out. 01:01:09.533 --> 01:01:16.541 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, there are other animals like I don't mind him, but there are other things I don't want to like, you know, people are telling me I should feed it and shit I don't want other animals. 01:01:16.581 --> 01:01:18.282 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want rats hanging out. 01:01:18.302 --> 01:01:19.304 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want any other animals. 01:01:19.664 --> 01:01:21.065 [SPEAKER_04]: Motherfuckers have been around for a long time. 01:01:21.105 --> 01:01:22.767 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure you can figure out how to get a drink, you know. 01:01:23.608 --> 01:01:27.793 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was on the phone with Allison, we're talking about a project we're going to do. 01:01:27.833 --> 01:01:36.402 [SPEAKER_04]: We got a commission for a, you know, some steak knives and all of a sudden I turn around and down the road I can see coming towards me. 01:01:36.382 --> 01:01:37.204 [SPEAKER_04]: The Bobcat. 01:01:37.705 --> 01:01:51.274 [SPEAKER_04]: So I got my son out and I said, I got to go Bobcat and I hung up the phone and then I and then I and then when I did was I hung on the inside of the shop and what I did was I pull I put my phone I just told my phone was sticking out. 01:01:51.294 --> 01:01:54.340 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and then I did the old around the corner. 01:01:54.320 --> 01:02:02.880 [SPEAKER_04]: Bro, I might as well have been a sniper because this fucking guy got right up to you and you didn't have no idea these are all Loose of cats. 01:02:02.900 --> 01:02:10.978 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so I stuck my phone out and then I was watching him through the phone So he didn't see me at all and I got him come I got him within 15 feet of the shop 01:02:10.958 --> 01:02:11.359 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 01:02:11.539 --> 01:02:12.721 [SPEAKER_04]: It was amazing. 01:02:12.841 --> 01:02:25.563 [SPEAKER_04]: It was the and I saw it's face and I saw his body and then he's and then he wrecked and then he saw me and then he kind of instead of running off He went around the cars and did his thing, but it was like the best footage I've ever had in this guy's body And it's super cool. 01:02:25.803 --> 01:02:26.284 [SPEAKER_04]: So 01:02:26.264 --> 01:02:34.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I, so we have a, I've thought, I think I've thought mentioned it before, but we have this, this place called the wild fielded sanctuary. 01:02:34.916 --> 01:02:35.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:35.396 --> 01:02:37.359 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about an hour and a half from where I live. 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:49.555 [SPEAKER_01]: And these four cats who used to be, well, like wild cats that used to be owned by fucking morons who thought it'd be cool to own a tiger or some shit like that. 01:02:49.575 --> 01:02:50.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:02:50.176 --> 01:02:53.200 [SPEAKER_01]: They have actually a couple tigers at the sanctuary. 01:02:53.180 --> 01:03:00.453 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's all kinds of mixed breed cats and stuff like that as well as like full-on coogers and bobcats and whatnot. 01:03:00.974 --> 01:03:09.148 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea how big a fucking bobcat was Until I saw in real life and I was like because you look at him. 01:03:09.168 --> 01:03:17.382 [SPEAKER_01]: You see pictures it's hard without like the context of other animals or at least other animals that you're familiar with because you might see a bobcat with like 01:03:17.615 --> 01:03:22.101 [SPEAKER_01]: a rabbit or something, it's like a snowshoe hair and it's like, what does that mean? 01:03:22.121 --> 01:03:23.803 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how big is that rabbit? 01:03:23.923 --> 01:03:24.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it a little thing? 01:03:24.944 --> 01:03:30.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Or these cats are the size of like a fucking 60 to 70 pound, like mid-sized dog. 01:03:30.452 --> 01:03:31.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, those are fucking huge. 01:03:32.054 --> 01:03:34.617 [SPEAKER_04]: You're north, you're not Pacific Northwest guys are. 01:03:34.657 --> 01:03:39.643 [SPEAKER_04]: This guy was like, bigger than a house cat, but smaller than my small dog. 01:03:39.663 --> 01:03:46.272 [SPEAKER_04]: My smart dog might think of a 35 pound, a 35 pound, like a Jack Russell league kind of situation. 01:03:46.252 --> 01:03:50.578 [SPEAKER_04]: He was kind of in that range like this cat was like probably 30, 30 something pounds. 01:03:50.618 --> 01:03:51.499 [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't huge. 01:03:51.820 --> 01:03:55.926 [SPEAKER_04]: I had to take pictures of it walking away so you could see how long it was. 01:03:56.567 --> 01:03:57.268 [SPEAKER_04]: But it was a mate. 01:03:57.288 --> 01:03:59.451 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, long legs and it was amazing. 01:03:59.811 --> 01:04:03.737 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, so that was my last two weeks. 01:04:03.757 --> 01:04:04.277 [SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty cool. 01:04:04.297 --> 01:04:06.100 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any names for them? 01:04:06.080 --> 01:04:07.722 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't do that shit. 01:04:07.862 --> 01:04:10.665 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm just like the funny part is is she's not afraid. 01:04:10.766 --> 01:04:15.331 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I had Howard Stern blasting off of the background and he she took one look at me. 01:04:15.411 --> 01:04:17.794 [SPEAKER_04]: She kept on the she didn't she stays on the road. 01:04:17.834 --> 01:04:18.755 [SPEAKER_04]: She's in the middle of the road. 01:04:19.115 --> 01:04:19.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:04:19.276 --> 01:04:29.067 [SPEAKER_04]: Like she doesn't she doesn't care about she's from what some of these hunters have said to me that she obviously she had her kid her her kittens last year. 01:04:29.047 --> 01:04:35.400 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's very comfortable in this area, because I've seen her three times, which is like pretty remarkable in New York. 01:04:35.981 --> 01:04:39.829 [SPEAKER_04]: So like she's comfortable around here, she doesn't give a shit about, but she knows that I'm not a problem. 01:04:40.510 --> 01:04:48.827 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's not, and she comes right, I mean, she doesn't come right up to me, but she walks within, you know, let's just say nine feet of the shop door. 01:04:48.807 --> 01:04:51.550 [SPEAKER_04]: in the middle of the day, yeah, yeah, she was clawing. 01:04:51.871 --> 01:04:52.892 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I backed up. 01:04:53.032 --> 01:04:54.053 [SPEAKER_04]: I should have kept going. 01:04:54.674 --> 01:04:56.917 [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought that she didn't, she didn't recognize me. 01:04:56.977 --> 01:04:57.958 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe she did smell me. 01:04:58.339 --> 01:05:00.481 [SPEAKER_04]: But she was about 15 feet from the door. 01:05:00.501 --> 01:05:11.515 [SPEAKER_04]: And I started to think to myself, I might, I might want to back up, because if she crossed over in front of me and then I spooked her, that's when you get the, like you don't want to corner them. 01:05:11.535 --> 01:05:12.756 [SPEAKER_04]: Like when you corner them, 01:05:12.736 --> 01:05:13.279 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a problem. 01:05:13.299 --> 01:05:19.692 [SPEAKER_04]: So I kind of backed up and then she and I she saw me and then she just kept walking but at the same time it was 01:05:20.870 --> 01:05:21.551 [SPEAKER_04]: pretty amazing. 01:05:22.172 --> 01:05:24.134 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what else is pretty amazing. 01:05:24.515 --> 01:05:25.035 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's here. 01:05:25.236 --> 01:05:25.776 [SPEAKER_04]: Damage deal. 01:05:25.957 --> 01:05:27.439 [SPEAKER_04]: Damage has got something special. 01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:27.999 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen to me. 01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:28.920 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen to me. 01:05:29.141 --> 01:05:29.481 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen to me. 01:05:29.501 --> 01:05:30.683 [SPEAKER_04]: I got a message from Carly. 01:05:32.085 --> 01:05:32.785 [SPEAKER_04]: Damage deal. 01:05:32.886 --> 01:05:33.506 [SPEAKER_04]: Damage deal. 01:05:33.847 --> 01:05:34.668 [SPEAKER_04]: That's Damage deal. 01:05:34.688 --> 01:05:35.769 [SPEAKER_04]: That's Damage deal. 01:05:35.789 --> 01:05:35.890 [SPEAKER_04]: S.E. 01:05:35.910 --> 01:05:40.716 [SPEAKER_04]: You can put in the promo code and I've talked 10% for 10% off if you want to get that stainless pattern welded steel amazing. 01:05:41.256 --> 01:05:42.558 [SPEAKER_04]: So here's what they have. 01:05:42.718 --> 01:05:46.303 [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to do the Damage 01:05:46.283 --> 01:05:53.032 [SPEAKER_04]: with a limited run for this year's pattern, which is you know, sorry, sweet, um, I'm doing the best I can here. 01:05:53.713 --> 01:05:54.855 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing the best I can here. 01:05:54.895 --> 01:05:55.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a proud of you. 01:05:56.196 --> 01:06:06.791 [SPEAKER_04]: Yorman Gander, Yorman Gander, and the details of it are online, everyone starts with the same billet and must create something colonarily focused. 01:06:07.392 --> 01:06:11.397 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're in the United States and you want to get a piece of, 01:06:11.377 --> 01:06:15.467 [SPEAKER_04]: your mungonder for the damsel build long go to true grit. 01:06:15.708 --> 01:06:20.921 [SPEAKER_04]: I love probably you guys know true get dot com most likely I've used it so to avoid the tariff issues. 01:06:21.082 --> 01:06:27.799 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're outside of the United States international participants go through maritime knife supply or go directly through damsel steel. 01:06:27.948 --> 01:06:43.932 [SPEAKER_04]: The awards will be pairs favorite and, unfortunately, the knife-talk choice, which sure is drives me crazy because it's always a dilemma for us, and it's good, we do the right thing, but at the same time I hate being in the position of having a judge and I'd prefer 01:06:43.912 --> 01:06:45.975 [SPEAKER_04]: Carly took my spot, but I think it happened. 01:06:45.995 --> 01:06:47.216 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll do we do the best job. 01:06:47.236 --> 01:06:47.577 [SPEAKER_04]: We can. 01:06:48.057 --> 01:06:50.220 [SPEAKER_04]: Questions you can DM damage steal. 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:51.301 [SPEAKER_04]: She says you can DM and I talk. 01:06:51.321 --> 01:06:51.862 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't DM us. 01:06:51.882 --> 01:06:53.124 [SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to be good. 01:06:53.144 --> 01:06:53.945 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you. 01:06:54.265 --> 01:06:57.229 [SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to be good at it, but we're going to do the best we can. 01:06:57.329 --> 01:06:59.852 [SPEAKER_04]: We're 100% for the damage you'll build along. 01:07:00.793 --> 01:07:01.574 [SPEAKER_04]: We're really excited. 01:07:02.015 --> 01:07:03.537 [SPEAKER_04]: Carly wrote, thanks for all your support. 01:07:03.597 --> 01:07:06.240 [SPEAKER_04]: Good luck with the Bobcat. 01:07:06.220 --> 01:07:07.942 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, got a good luck with the Bobcat. 01:07:07.962 --> 01:07:09.805 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's yourman gonder. 01:07:09.905 --> 01:07:30.913 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're in a state's go to true grit dot com and then you'll have to get any tariff problems and then if you're in international Go to nair maritime nice supplier directly from Damasteel and get yourself a piece of your your your gun your mon gonder. 01:07:31.674 --> 01:07:36.160 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you did it. 01:07:36.140 --> 01:07:43.833 [SPEAKER_04]: So that you can go to dmissil.se, there's a whole thing called the DECI dmissil build along and you get more information on that. 01:07:44.114 --> 01:07:44.755 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a great event. 01:07:44.795 --> 01:07:45.536 [SPEAKER_04]: We do it every year. 01:07:45.596 --> 01:07:47.740 [SPEAKER_04]: We always have a good time and everybody else does too. 01:07:49.723 --> 01:07:50.885 [SPEAKER_04]: Why don't we do some questions? 01:07:51.526 --> 01:07:52.047 [SPEAKER_04]: This is good. 01:07:52.067 --> 01:07:54.131 [SPEAKER_04]: We have feedback too, but I think we're not going to get to that. 01:07:54.171 --> 01:07:55.012 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not 100% sure. 01:07:55.633 --> 01:07:55.954 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 01:07:56.592 --> 01:08:02.844 [SPEAKER_04]: So, if you want to send us questions for the podcast and we believe, I believe the Craig will be back next week. 01:08:02.984 --> 01:08:04.807 [SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully we'll be back and we'll follow her on him. 01:08:05.629 --> 01:08:08.735 [SPEAKER_04]: Good, a night talk podcast and Instagram, that's where you can send us everything. 01:08:09.075 --> 01:08:11.580 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, uh, I want you read the first question. 01:08:11.881 --> 01:08:14.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, this one's from our guy, Wyoming Cody. 01:08:14.286 --> 01:08:18.875 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, when do you start doing the business side of things after starting to sell? 01:08:19.577 --> 01:08:24.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like calculating sales tax, business insurance, versus home assurance, anything else? 01:08:25.930 --> 01:08:31.020 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you start taking your knife-making quote unquote business, 01:08:31.135 --> 01:08:55.303 [SPEAKER_04]: more seriously as a business and start doing some of the more administrative stuff that makes it kind of like legal I guess I'm going to make it very simple yeah when you're prepared to be on the radar sure yeah because it isn't like I'm going to pay sales tax when I feel like it yeah now you once you're once you're in 01:08:56.988 --> 01:08:57.649 [SPEAKER_04]: you're fucking in. 01:08:57.789 --> 01:09:00.052 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's like the mob. 01:09:00.533 --> 01:09:03.276 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to like, I mean, you're like, you ain't, what do you mean? 01:09:03.476 --> 01:09:04.978 [SPEAKER_04]: The government says, what do you mean? 01:09:05.038 --> 01:09:06.300 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not gonna send us tales. 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:07.482 [SPEAKER_04]: And it'll work like that. 01:09:08.122 --> 01:09:09.785 [SPEAKER_04]: So, and then insurance is the same way. 01:09:09.865 --> 01:09:14.371 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you have to make the conscious decision that you're gonna do it correctly. 01:09:14.451 --> 01:09:16.874 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is a business that you're planning on doing for a long time. 01:09:17.375 --> 01:09:19.317 [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, it's just a lot of bureaucracy and headache. 01:09:19.668 --> 01:09:19.928 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:09:20.449 --> 01:09:20.890 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think? 01:09:21.490 --> 01:09:27.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think especially when it comes to running it as a business. 01:09:27.218 --> 01:09:34.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think obviously like people do and can operate under the table and only deal in cash. 01:09:36.170 --> 01:09:37.231 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a certain point. 01:09:37.332 --> 01:09:40.035 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you got to kind of take a little bit more seriously. 01:09:40.055 --> 01:09:45.102 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think especially if you're wanting to take it further, 01:09:45.082 --> 01:10:11.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I, I would look into, I would look into the, like, the local, like, you, your state and city tax laws and stuff like that because some people, some places have different thresholds about, you know, if you're making under this much a year can be considered like a hobby, right, and sometimes hobbies are tax different, honestly, just because it's, it's not your main source of income, it's kind of like you're just kind of fucking around, but you are making a little bit of money. 01:10:11.508 --> 01:10:15.594 [SPEAKER_01]: and you're trying to do it over the table, but correctly. 01:10:15.815 --> 01:10:16.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 01:10:16.095 --> 01:10:16.416 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 01:10:16.436 --> 01:10:17.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:10:17.678 --> 01:10:17.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:10:17.798 --> 01:10:29.256 [SPEAKER_01]: So and honestly like just Google it, like all these AI Google shits and chat GBT, that I wouldn't trust them wholly, but they they're they're a good starting point. 01:10:29.276 --> 01:10:34.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I would use just use them as a search engine to help get you going to try to figure out where to go. 01:10:34.124 --> 01:10:38.190 [SPEAKER_01]: If anything else, like you could 01:10:38.170 --> 01:10:47.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, could have, like, seek out a business lawyer and do, uh, just, just have, like, an at one hour or 30 minute like consulting session. 01:10:48.348 --> 01:10:48.468 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:48.488 --> 01:10:49.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Just be like, this is what I'm doing. 01:10:49.710 --> 01:10:50.912 [SPEAKER_01]: This is where I want to go. 01:10:50.932 --> 01:10:53.817 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get fucked over what's the move. 01:10:53.797 --> 01:10:57.746 [SPEAKER_04]: And don't, when you're dealing with lawyers, no small talk. 01:10:58.387 --> 01:11:00.031 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no jokes. 01:11:00.832 --> 01:11:00.893 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 01:11:00.913 --> 01:11:01.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen. 01:11:01.514 --> 01:11:05.022 [SPEAKER_04]: Business partner and I had our meeting with their daughter, our lawyer. 01:11:05.242 --> 01:11:11.877 [SPEAKER_04]: I made one joke and when the conversation was going, Tony said to me, I hope that joke was worth it. 01:11:11.997 --> 01:11:13.881 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a $75 joke. 01:11:14.350 --> 01:11:17.774 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like, I hope it was worth it. 01:11:18.195 --> 01:11:19.757 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hope you thought it was really fun. 01:11:19.797 --> 01:11:21.659 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope you thought it was worth 75 bucks. 01:11:21.979 --> 01:11:22.180 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:11:22.220 --> 01:11:24.322 [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking Joe cost us 75 bucks. 01:11:24.342 --> 01:11:31.511 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for people who aren't aware, lawyers break down their hourly time into either six minute or 10 minute blocks. 01:11:31.611 --> 01:11:32.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually it's six minutes. 01:11:33.473 --> 01:11:35.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Every fucking minute counts. 01:11:35.736 --> 01:11:36.477 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:11:36.818 --> 01:11:39.741 [SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you go one minute over, that's another six minute. 01:11:40.162 --> 01:11:40.442 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:11:40.422 --> 01:11:46.433 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had a lawyer that I was doing my entertainment lawsuit with, they were $850 an hour. 01:11:47.442 --> 01:12:15.795 [SPEAKER_04]: that added up real fucking so all those own eyes are on you fucking stuttering you stuttering asshole get someone else to do it if you can't talk oh dude send it down send it down write it down and you know what here's the funny thing is it's like if are the listeners who send us in messages or or send us in long audio messages yeah if I charge them what these lawyers charge them they got 01:12:15.775 --> 01:12:24.265 [SPEAKER_04]: They would be like, wait a second, you're charging me by the minute and like, yeah, yeah, you got to learn You got to learn this is life. 01:12:24.846 --> 01:12:25.667 [SPEAKER_04]: This is fucking life. 01:12:26.127 --> 01:12:34.838 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't don't that then I says this and he says that And this is dipshit says this not on a little boil it down I won't you write your questions in your your feedback. 01:12:34.898 --> 01:12:42.667 [SPEAKER_04]: I want you to think like I'm gonna build you So really boil that shit down no more collar no more no more magnet cartas I always say don't give me the magnet cartas. 01:12:42.847 --> 01:12:44.449 [SPEAKER_04]: You always give me the magnet cart 01:12:44.429 --> 01:12:46.594 [SPEAKER_04]: Write it like I'm going to charge you by the minute. 01:12:47.837 --> 01:12:49.561 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the way to do it. 01:12:49.581 --> 01:12:49.681 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:12:49.701 --> 01:12:51.204 [SPEAKER_04]: You'll never write the magnet card again. 01:12:52.507 --> 01:12:52.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 01:12:52.948 --> 01:12:54.291 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was worth it. 01:12:54.572 --> 01:12:55.334 [SPEAKER_04]: How make knife? 01:12:58.240 --> 01:12:59.423 [SPEAKER_01]: How make that business? 01:12:59.804 --> 01:13:01.307 [SPEAKER_04]: What that? 01:13:02.536 --> 01:13:03.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ. 01:13:03.578 --> 01:13:04.439 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you treat? 01:13:04.980 --> 01:13:06.662 [SPEAKER_01]: How old are you? 01:13:06.682 --> 01:13:07.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, there you go. 01:13:07.944 --> 01:13:09.226 [SPEAKER_04]: That's only in 55 cents. 01:13:09.947 --> 01:13:23.869 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, but yeah, yeah, so I'm in all jokes aside when I decided when I decided I also I was at a certain age too and I feel as though a lot of you guys I'm saying this because I feel like I'm older than most of you guys anyway 01:13:24.457 --> 01:13:29.663 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you need a little bit of experience and this isn't, you know, in life. 01:13:29.984 --> 01:13:32.046 [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't working out, but I wanna make it work. 01:13:32.627 --> 01:13:36.952 [SPEAKER_04]: So you gotta like come to the conclusion of like, I know what it's like to struggle through something. 01:13:36.972 --> 01:13:45.722 [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that if I wanted to start a business like this, I needed to do better job, better job than when I was a working artist, which I did a terrible job. 01:13:46.141 --> 01:13:55.356 [SPEAKER_04]: So when I approached my business partner Tony who I've known for ever, he had an expectation if I'm going to do this, I'm not going to waste my time with someone fully around. 01:13:55.917 --> 01:14:01.887 [SPEAKER_04]: So we had a contract written up, we had lawyers involved, we took it very seriously. 01:14:02.068 --> 01:14:06.495 [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to do it by the book because I really wanted it not to be very fly by night. 01:14:06.475 --> 01:14:11.502 [SPEAKER_04]: And from day one, we took it incredibly serious, I do whatever. 01:14:11.543 --> 01:14:19.334 [SPEAKER_04]: And I told the stories of like, we got on the radar with the New York state and regards to, they were fucking around with us in regards to, they were sending us letters about that. 01:14:19.575 --> 01:14:23.160 [SPEAKER_04]: We underpaid our, we underpaid our police insurance. 01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:24.862 [SPEAKER_04]: You always $10,000, some bullshit. 01:14:25.123 --> 01:14:27.887 [SPEAKER_04]: We had to get out and accountant involved to tell them they were wrong. 01:14:28.328 --> 01:14:31.993 [SPEAKER_04]: You get to the point where you have to be, you have to have the mindset of, 01:14:31.973 --> 01:14:35.116 [SPEAKER_04]: I cannot do this as a hand to mouth business. 01:14:35.497 --> 01:14:44.387 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to understand that it's going to cost me money to get where I need to be and you just have to be comfortable with the fact that you're going to be spending money on the shit you don't want. 01:14:44.647 --> 01:14:45.828 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't just buy animals. 01:14:46.249 --> 01:14:46.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:14:46.429 --> 01:14:48.111 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you get to spend your money on your website. 01:14:48.131 --> 01:14:50.173 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you get to spend your money with your accountant. 01:14:50.193 --> 01:14:51.555 [SPEAKER_04]: You spend your money with a lawyer. 01:14:51.995 --> 01:14:58.082 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to understand that you have to that idea that you have to spend money to make money is important. 01:14:58.062 --> 01:15:02.251 [SPEAKER_04]: And you also have to think of yourself like you can't nickel and dime everything. 01:15:02.271 --> 01:15:06.199 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to like suspend the money and forget about it and just work harder and make more. 01:15:06.780 --> 01:15:07.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:15:07.361 --> 01:15:18.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think it's, I'm lucky that the local, we call them just Do our Department of Revenue here in Washington State, but they, they did actually did it class. 01:15:18.886 --> 01:15:23.791 [SPEAKER_01]: for small business owners to just because it's all self reporting here in Washington State. 01:15:24.652 --> 01:15:31.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like on the honor systems, best as possible, but they do these classes to help people make sure they're covering their asses. 01:15:32.321 --> 01:15:32.561 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 01:15:32.581 --> 01:15:46.817 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm guessing that most states have a program like that to help small business owners, people who are new to running a business and managing 01:15:46.915 --> 01:15:50.959 [SPEAKER_01]: that basically, the state does these classes and make sure the state's getting their tax money. 01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:54.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also to help keep your ass. 01:15:54.822 --> 01:15:56.203 [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably not gonna go to jail. 01:15:56.544 --> 01:15:59.807 [SPEAKER_01]: People are trying to like, at least what I got from the classes. 01:15:59.867 --> 01:16:06.653 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna throw you a jail unless after multiple points of contact, you're still doing the same bullshit. 01:16:07.153 --> 01:16:10.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it's like, okay, you're being a dick at this point. 01:16:10.756 --> 01:16:13.799 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get you to, I'm sorry, I'm gonna go with it. 01:16:14.780 --> 01:16:16.922 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was just right. 01:16:16.902 --> 01:16:19.846 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a bad idea, at least. 01:16:20.747 --> 01:16:22.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. 01:16:23.110 --> 01:16:27.215 [SPEAKER_01]: I think to have a professional tax accountant do your taxes. 01:16:27.235 --> 01:16:36.266 [SPEAKER_01]: It also because there's all kinds of things that you can write off in regards to the earnings or expenditures of the business, even at least again. 01:16:36.306 --> 01:16:45.357 [SPEAKER_01]: I can only refer to the single Washington, but the office space that I use at the house can be written off as business as part of the business expense. 01:16:45.337 --> 01:17:10.872 [SPEAKER_04]: the internet that I use at the house can be written up like all these little things you don't realize can be can be count yeah because you're using them for business it's it's just don't be a dick at about it yeah so so I'll just kind of go I'll just kind of not talk about how much money we're spending but I'll tell you all the people we employ here so it's me my business partner Tony is Allison there's Patrick that's just the office 01:17:10.852 --> 01:17:15.398 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a payroll company that sends the checks out. 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:35.323 [SPEAKER_04]: We pay, I have a controller, another like our own personal accountant who does all the back office stuff like the health insurance stuff or the unemployment insurance stuff or when I send my receipts to her and she formulates all that stuff and then we pay an accountant at the end of the year. 01:17:35.303 --> 01:17:43.236 [SPEAKER_04]: to do the accounting of the business and there might be two accounts involved because you know we also have like different you know arrangements in regards to that. 01:17:43.696 --> 01:17:51.990 [SPEAKER_04]: We have so we have we have to spend a lot of money in general just for the for the back office operational stuff. 01:17:52.010 --> 01:17:55.054 [SPEAKER_04]: And it gets to the point where it's also alleviated for me. 01:17:55.135 --> 01:17:56.577 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to think about that stuff. 01:17:56.978 --> 01:17:57.919 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have 01:17:57.899 --> 01:18:18.878 [SPEAKER_04]: My job is I'm freed up to think about making knives, getting better, making it better for everybody, and figuring out ways in which we can make more money, but when he gets to the business part, you almost are in better position to say to yourself, I have to either I have to learn how to do all this stuff, where I have to come up with someone who can take this off my plate. 01:18:18.858 --> 01:18:20.882 [SPEAKER_04]: and pay them to take this off my plate. 01:18:21.222 --> 01:18:24.588 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what I did because I would never have figured any of this stuff out. 01:18:24.628 --> 01:18:26.752 [SPEAKER_04]: I would have been like fly by night for the rest of my life. 01:18:27.353 --> 01:18:33.004 [SPEAKER_04]: And now, since we're all in all, you're exposed. 01:18:33.024 --> 01:18:37.592 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a company that takes out our sales tax. 01:18:37.572 --> 01:18:41.256 [SPEAKER_04]: and sends the sales tax into New York State every year. 01:18:41.296 --> 01:18:49.084 [SPEAKER_04]: So like there's, and then not to mention, every state anytime I sell something in New York, there's different sales tax for every county. 01:18:49.785 --> 01:18:50.966 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a website. 01:18:51.206 --> 01:18:51.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Same in Washington. 01:18:51.987 --> 01:18:55.270 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a website that will calculate the sales tax. 01:18:55.651 --> 01:18:57.473 [SPEAKER_04]: So we had to pay for someone to make the website. 01:18:57.513 --> 01:19:02.298 [SPEAKER_04]: And we had to, we have a IT person who with Allison has problems with the website, should we call him her up? 01:19:02.598 --> 01:19:06.482 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, you just, you get to the point where you're just like, am I serious about this? 01:19:06.462 --> 01:19:10.169 [SPEAKER_04]: or am I wistful and romantic about it? 01:19:10.730 --> 01:19:14.496 [SPEAKER_04]: And when you can just, and I think it comes with age, too. 01:19:14.516 --> 01:19:18.183 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I feel as though that age makes a big difference. 01:19:18.203 --> 01:19:23.132 [SPEAKER_04]: And experiences of what you don't want in your life, in the experiences of what you're acting. 01:19:23.152 --> 01:19:23.733 [SPEAKER_04]: You want to say? 01:19:24.234 --> 01:19:24.454 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 01:19:24.434 --> 01:19:50.290 [SPEAKER_04]: Then stuff fucking fly by night shit is the risk management that's a bull that is I hate it it like I have never been less stressed than since I started my business in a lot of it's because you know it's gonna pay you know it's like yeah but I don't have to deal with any of that shit and like if something comes to me I scan and I send it to Megan or I send it to Alice or I send it to Tony or something they take care and then it's taking care and like I don't even know back sing okay I took care of it 01:19:50.658 --> 01:19:53.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's easy to be overwhelmed. 01:19:53.102 --> 01:19:57.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably even just in the last couple of minutes listening to us being like, holy shit, there's so much I don't know about. 01:19:57.911 --> 01:20:10.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even like, at least in Washington State, not only do I have to do the state taxes, I also have to, the city gets a cut too of any sales that happens here in the city, and that has to be reported as well. 01:20:10.513 --> 01:20:14.019 [SPEAKER_01]: So each, in fact, every city has a different tax rate. 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:14.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, right. 01:20:15.295 --> 01:20:41.252 [SPEAKER_01]: and uh... and it can be surprising him out yeah calculations and then but i will say while this price sounds very overwhelming there are resources whether you live in a rural place or not there are obviously tons of resources online you just gotta figure them out at the in Washington state they have the department of revenue but even in my county i happen to live in the state the county that the state capital is located in 01:20:41.232 --> 01:20:47.521 [SPEAKER_01]: but we have what's called the thirst and county economic council or something like that. 01:20:48.142 --> 01:20:54.071 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're they're working with small businesses as a resource hub that doesn't cost anything. 01:20:54.572 --> 01:20:58.077 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's like paid for by the state. 01:20:58.057 --> 01:21:01.643 [SPEAKER_01]: to make to help businesses figure this shit out. 01:21:01.764 --> 01:21:08.596 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's somebody if I wanted to, and I did this actually when I first started out, you can go in and have kind of like a mentor. 01:21:08.676 --> 01:21:16.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who has successfully ran businesses in the state of Washington, even in your county for several years, 01:21:16.450 --> 01:21:22.602 [SPEAKER_01]: If not for like the whole fucking career that can kind of like hold your hand and walk through it They have access to lawyers. 01:21:22.642 --> 01:21:32.923 [SPEAKER_01]: They have access to account is all this stuff is is the resource available to at least in my state or at least in my county Available to me for free 01:21:32.903 --> 01:21:47.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if you don't like wherever you're at, if you don't, if you're living a small town, like go to the next biggest town or the, or the county or whatever figure out what resources are there local, also obviously again online, there's tons of resources, but they're out there. 01:21:47.829 --> 01:21:55.722 [SPEAKER_01]: The information is out there to help kind of demystify and also to help like make it less stressful because it can't, it can't feel 01:21:55.702 --> 01:22:06.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Really fucking overwhelming but even like I'm getting ready to after I'm done doing the podcast I'm gonna finish doing up my first quarter taxes and even the different things that I offered 01:22:06.940 --> 01:22:07.761 [SPEAKER_01]: or get paid for. 01:22:07.941 --> 01:22:19.695 [SPEAKER_01]: So either for sales or offering services or sales of products, offering services, sponsorships, like doing the podcast, all of those are also taxed at different rates. 01:22:19.715 --> 01:22:27.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Like these are things that if you're going to run a business and you have multiple sources income, like that's something you also want to take into account to understand as no. 01:22:27.965 --> 01:22:30.248 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's going back to his old job. 01:22:30.228 --> 01:22:31.931 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to play either. 01:22:32.451 --> 01:22:33.133 [SPEAKER_04]: Finally. 01:22:33.433 --> 01:22:34.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you. 01:22:34.374 --> 01:22:34.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you. 01:22:35.356 --> 01:22:37.219 [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of this conversation, it's either. 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:39.502 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going back to my old job forever. 01:22:39.522 --> 01:22:40.584 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm charging $1,500. 01:22:41.285 --> 01:22:42.788 [SPEAKER_04]: Starting at every pairing knife. 01:22:43.629 --> 01:22:43.829 [UNKNOWN]: No. 01:22:44.230 --> 01:22:44.731 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm fucked. 01:22:44.751 --> 01:22:45.612 [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you all. 01:22:45.973 --> 01:22:48.957 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm either quitting or paying or charging more. 01:22:49.718 --> 01:22:50.119 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:52.002 [SPEAKER_04]: Look. 01:22:52.062 --> 01:22:54.666 [SPEAKER_04]: Life is not for the fucking week. 01:22:54.646 --> 01:22:59.112 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, everybody else life is not for the week. 01:22:59.352 --> 01:23:02.356 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that'd be the kind of like a damn podcast That's a good one. 01:23:02.396 --> 01:23:03.598 [SPEAKER_04]: Life is not for the week. 01:23:04.158 --> 01:23:07.302 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah All right, read the next one. 01:23:08.123 --> 01:23:08.324 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 01:23:08.844 --> 01:23:15.473 [SPEAKER_01]: The next one is for not to press these motherfuckers St. Galgano Armory 01:23:15.605 --> 01:23:16.306 [SPEAKER_01]: They say that right? 01:23:16.406 --> 01:23:17.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll go on. 01:23:17.187 --> 01:23:17.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:23:18.007 --> 01:23:18.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys. 01:23:19.149 --> 01:23:22.933 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking about a thinking of embarking on making kitchen knives. 01:23:23.393 --> 01:23:31.321 [SPEAKER_01]: If a friend who is a chef in Nashville who is willing to help test and sell knives, this would be a great plug plug in to make some cash. 01:23:31.341 --> 01:23:33.844 [SPEAKER_01]: However, I have never made one before. 01:23:33.944 --> 01:23:39.790 [SPEAKER_01]: What are some of the things I should focus on and what are three main designs I should focus on. 01:23:40.107 --> 01:23:40.588 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? 01:23:41.209 --> 01:23:41.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you think? 01:23:41.750 --> 01:23:52.947 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that, I think that, I think that the good thing is, that's a good thought process of like, it's not like, I just need to make a knife and it's going to cut and that's just the end of it. 01:23:53.107 --> 01:23:53.708 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 01:23:53.728 --> 01:23:58.015 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so like, I think it's important to, 01:23:57.995 --> 01:24:13.011 [SPEAKER_04]: And this also goes for, you know, serrated knives and two, find a knife that you like and then realize what you like about that knife and if there are things about that knife that you don't like, think about how you would make it better. 01:24:13.451 --> 01:24:13.651 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 01:24:13.931 --> 01:24:18.636 [SPEAKER_04]: So like a lot of these knives that are from these big companies, maybe they don't round the spine. 01:24:18.656 --> 01:24:22.180 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you think yourself, you know, would be more comfortable if the spine was rounded. 01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:41.940 [SPEAKER_04]: that's how I would start if I would and then I would start cooking but you don't have to do the tweezers sheet you don't have to be bent snorr like like master's chef you know you have to cook food and you have to think about how the onions you're slicing the onions or you're doing it practice on the knife that you and then then when you make the knife that you made 01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:54.709 [SPEAKER_04]: use the knife and saying this is good and this is good and this is not good and this could be better and you have to work with the knife and then or you have your wife work with the knife or your girlfriend or your boyfriend or whatever the hell you got. 01:24:55.210 --> 01:24:57.094 [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody who cooks make them use it. 01:24:57.074 --> 01:25:08.235 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel as though that there's evolution in regards to how culinary knives and the knife-maker progresses to making something that people are going to like. 01:25:08.255 --> 01:25:09.498 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to be out of the box. 01:25:09.518 --> 01:25:12.383 [SPEAKER_04]: Like my first knives, my first culinary knives, I didn't give a fuck. 01:25:12.363 --> 01:25:16.414 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't, I was just like, yeah, these people could cut one of the hell. 01:25:16.555 --> 01:25:18.460 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the hell knows what they're cutting, cooking anyway? 01:25:19.082 --> 01:25:22.712 [SPEAKER_04]: It took a long time before I got to the point where I really like my knives. 01:25:23.274 --> 01:25:26.743 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I stop using other people's knives and I only use my knives. 01:25:27.104 --> 01:25:27.385 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:25:27.365 --> 01:25:31.333 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's the same thing with offsets, people ask me about serrations all the time that I'm gonna say this. 01:25:31.894 --> 01:25:34.820 [SPEAKER_04]: Buy a serrated knife and measure it. 01:25:35.281 --> 01:25:37.004 [SPEAKER_04]: And make sure it's the kind of knife that you like. 01:25:37.104 --> 01:25:40.351 [SPEAKER_04]: And when you measure the serrations, then you can kind of calculate where you're going. 01:25:40.672 --> 01:25:41.774 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's what I would say. 01:25:41.794 --> 01:25:47.365 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say make something that's, don't you know if the make of 10 in Chef Knife? 01:25:47.345 --> 01:25:52.634 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, because a home cook might not need more than like six to eight inches max, you know, ease. 01:25:53.095 --> 01:26:00.927 [SPEAKER_04]: Way, yo, a big toe, yeah, yeah, damn right slamming them horses, but it makes something small and then use it. 01:26:01.088 --> 01:26:03.131 [SPEAKER_04]: And then that's my suggestion. 01:26:03.632 --> 01:26:04.293 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:26:04.313 --> 01:26:06.096 [SPEAKER_04]: And then like it and figure out how to like it. 01:26:06.211 --> 01:26:21.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a friend who is a very talented customer maker, but when he, I'm not going to say who was, but he, when he was for starting out, he used to offer a, um, 01:26:21.280 --> 01:26:21.700 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it? 01:26:21.801 --> 01:26:23.682 [SPEAKER_01]: A custom sia business. 01:26:23.742 --> 01:26:24.884 [SPEAKER_01]: He had like a thing. 01:26:24.904 --> 01:26:28.767 [SPEAKER_01]: He did on the side of his knife making while he was developing his chef's knives. 01:26:28.827 --> 01:26:38.357 [SPEAKER_01]: He would offer to make sia's for knives and the people who were having sia or like a wooden sheath made for their culinary knives. 01:26:39.258 --> 01:26:43.922 [SPEAKER_01]: They usually had nicer knives where they were custom pieces or nicer Japanese knives or something like that. 01:26:44.783 --> 01:26:48.807 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was it was Dien it was a Dien 01:26:51.031 --> 01:26:55.717 [SPEAKER_01]: It was research and R&D, R&D, I was like, D&R and that's wrong. 01:26:55.737 --> 01:26:56.558 [SPEAKER_01]: It was R&D work for you. 01:26:56.638 --> 01:26:57.739 [SPEAKER_04]: It was not recesitate. 01:26:58.260 --> 01:27:01.103 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was like, that's the wrong thing. 01:27:01.383 --> 01:27:03.506 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like the guy who will ask you about how to be a business. 01:27:03.526 --> 01:27:07.751 [SPEAKER_04]: He had a D&R tattoo on his head so he don't want to be recesited after that conversation. 01:27:07.771 --> 01:27:08.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:27:08.312 --> 01:27:12.837 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to do my taxes, fucking kill me. 01:27:13.559 --> 01:27:22.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he was doing some R&D by doing these custom now that is a very involved process, but it did allow him 01:27:23.110 --> 01:27:25.474 [SPEAKER_01]: to get his hands on a lot of different knives. 01:27:25.574 --> 01:27:29.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, another way to do that is to go to a custom knife shop, or not even a custom knife. 01:27:29.881 --> 01:27:31.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Just go to a nice, cutlery store. 01:27:32.245 --> 01:27:38.415 [SPEAKER_01]: They're William Sonomas or Serla Tobs, or even some boutique spots around the country for sure. 01:27:39.757 --> 01:27:45.807 [SPEAKER_01]: But get some real like well made whether it's commercially manufactured or not or custom made. 01:27:46.148 --> 01:27:49.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Get some good knives in your hands to get a sense and feel for. 01:27:49.874 --> 01:27:50.817 [SPEAKER_01]: weight balance. 01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:56.914 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I guarantee they have the numbers about what knives are selling the most. 01:27:58.198 --> 01:27:58.359 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:27:58.379 --> 01:27:59.321 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm right there with Jeff. 01:28:00.124 --> 01:28:01.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I could I could I. 01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:20.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I would assume that most knives or probably, yeah, between that six to eight inch size because most like my theory or the my working theory is like the further the tip is away from the hand that is holding the knife. 01:28:20.013 --> 01:28:26.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, however you're holding the knife, the further the tip way, it is away from the hand, the last control you feel like you have. 01:28:27.309 --> 01:28:27.509 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 01:28:27.529 --> 01:28:33.001 [SPEAKER_01]: A six inch knife, seven inch Santoku, eight inch chef's knife, those are all reasonable lengths. 01:28:33.061 --> 01:28:34.324 [SPEAKER_01]: You start getting outside of that. 01:28:34.724 --> 01:28:37.330 [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting into kind of a more nuanced. 01:28:37.310 --> 01:28:37.651 [SPEAKER_01]: thing. 01:28:37.691 --> 01:28:42.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people, especially when they get in custom knives, they're like, I want the biggest fucking knife I can get. 01:28:42.422 --> 01:28:43.585 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, you don't. 01:28:43.645 --> 01:28:44.968 [SPEAKER_01]: You want a knife that you're going to use. 01:28:45.429 --> 01:28:52.365 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so this is, I want a 12 inch shaft knife next thing, you know, they're cutting their dinner, but they're also off-fiddling around the tip of the knife is fiddling around the coffee maker. 01:28:52.345 --> 01:29:15.012 [SPEAKER_04]: you're off the board you're all of a sudden you're on the top of the up yeah you're tip of the knife is hitting the glass yeah yeah it's turning on the oven the whole thing's right I just got this like you're tip of my fault why is we're with the tip of the knife while just depending the back board the wall keeping the weights coding 01:29:14.992 --> 01:29:44.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, I think understanding that I think also like another opportunity that especially handling, I'm sorry, quality, the commercially made knives, especially like a kitchen knife store or something like that, is to get a sense for the geometry, like a lot of people just think that a chef's knife or especially chef's knife is just a knife that you use in the kitchen, 01:29:44.827 --> 01:30:03.342 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would aim to push your geometry to the same place at least the same place as some of the better, the best commercially made knives, which are like shun and others that can push the geometry pretty thin, which is around 15,000 at the edge before sharpening. 01:30:03.322 --> 01:30:09.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the way the thickness at the edge is really going to impact the way that knife passes through the food. 01:30:09.662 --> 01:30:12.410 [SPEAKER_01]: And that I'm not talking about esgrans or anything. 01:30:12.450 --> 01:30:16.302 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I'm just talking about the edge thickness before it's even sharpened, right? 01:30:16.889 --> 01:30:30.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And so and pushing that and testing it and your own work, I've often I've actually done a lot of destruction testing myself because I don't know what the knife can handle, what my heat treat process can support. 01:30:30.709 --> 01:30:41.786 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there are sometimes I was very unhappy with whatever like the pattern didn't come out right or whatever often it was the pattern and I'd be like fuck this knife and so I would destroy it. 01:30:42.126 --> 01:30:45.411 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was after like I would do all the grinding work 01:30:45.391 --> 01:30:48.195 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was curious, you know, how thin is tooth it? 01:30:49.096 --> 01:30:52.782 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like cutting bamboo sticks and chopping into animals. 01:30:52.842 --> 01:30:53.963 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is all knife abuse. 01:30:54.023 --> 01:30:57.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is beyond what any culinary knife is ever going to do. 01:30:57.729 --> 01:31:09.726 [SPEAKER_01]: But it showed me what the boundaries were or what my heat treatment process on a particular, either combination of steel for Damascus or Tostyle or Monostyle was able to support. 01:31:09.846 --> 01:31:11.749 [SPEAKER_01]: But you got to figure this stuff out. 01:31:11.889 --> 01:31:13.491 [SPEAKER_01]: It does help to have 01:31:13.657 --> 01:31:29.763 [SPEAKER_01]: somebody who works in kitchens give off her feedback, but honestly, unfortunately, not many, no matter how good of a cook they are, not many cooks really know what a good knife feels like. 01:31:30.004 --> 01:31:31.386 [SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure. 01:31:31.406 --> 01:31:33.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just don't, unfortunately. 01:31:34.177 --> 01:31:37.984 [SPEAKER_04]: I would also say, go simple, don't get complex. 01:31:38.545 --> 01:31:38.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:31:38.986 --> 01:31:39.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Funny. 01:31:39.167 --> 01:31:43.114 [SPEAKER_04]: I started thinking about this and kind of tying it back to the fairiers. 01:31:43.174 --> 01:31:47.463 [SPEAKER_04]: And the funny thing would be, it's almost like, you learn how to forge a horse shoe. 01:31:47.503 --> 01:31:51.831 [SPEAKER_04]: And then just like, I'm ready to, I'm ready to fucking treat some horses. 01:31:51.811 --> 01:31:55.176 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you'd be and any fairy would be like, bro. 01:31:55.336 --> 01:32:06.293 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you're not you're not ready to shoe a horse You're not ready just because you bent a piece of steel don't mean you're ready to fucking whole-fuck Poof you know what I'm saying? 01:32:06.373 --> 01:32:14.646 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, shoe up a hoof so it's like I feel as though the funny thing is is there's not as much There's not as much consequences 01:32:14.626 --> 01:32:30.340 [SPEAKER_04]: with culinary knives as there are other things, and other things that have a lot of consequences usually take a lot more experience than just getting ready to like, I know how to make a horse you know, I'm going to be a fairer here for you know. 01:32:30.320 --> 01:32:33.625 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that maybe slowing down is the best way to do it. 01:32:33.765 --> 01:32:44.861 [SPEAKER_04]: I would, if I were to do it again, I would focus on simple rather than elaborate and then just kind of like really take my time before I started kind of putting them out there. 01:32:45.662 --> 01:32:53.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think when I started something I had a better grasp on is a lot of people. 01:32:53.353 --> 01:32:58.200 [SPEAKER_01]: At least at the time, you know, there were like kitchen knife forums, there are all these different forums. 01:32:58.518 --> 01:33:05.227 [SPEAKER_01]: and different opinions that people had, whether they're just like the actual kitcheniteforms.com or if it was on Facebook or whatever. 01:33:05.287 --> 01:33:17.604 [SPEAKER_01]: The reality is also all these people, even though they're custom knife collectors, I think they somehow think that that gives them the badge of honor to know what a good custom knife is and want a good custom knife isn't. 01:33:17.644 --> 01:33:21.910 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, unfortunately, a lot of them have been sold. 01:33:21.890 --> 01:33:23.072 [SPEAKER_01]: some bullshit. 01:33:23.833 --> 01:33:25.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't really know. 01:33:25.415 --> 01:33:33.126 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the best thing you can do is take the knowledge into your own hands by learning how to do some stuff. 01:33:34.488 --> 01:33:42.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a really great book that is a good resource I think for a lot of knife makers would actually be this book called an edge in the kitchen. 01:33:42.780 --> 01:33:51.272 [SPEAKER_01]: And it goes through kind of like the basic knife skills that 01:33:51.252 --> 01:34:04.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, helping you understand like how to use the knife to do different cuts from like, uh, uh, uh, whatever, a chiffonade and, and, and all these, I can't think of all the different cuts. 01:34:04.491 --> 01:34:14.085 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, all these different cuts, but it helps you to understand not only how to use the knife, um, or maybe some recipes, but also how to use the knife and how the knife should perform. 01:34:14.466 --> 01:34:16.669 [SPEAKER_01]: So that you as the maker, 01:34:16.649 --> 01:34:19.476 [SPEAKER_01]: are the most informed user that you might have. 01:34:19.797 --> 01:34:21.722 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, oh, but there's always something to learn. 01:34:21.802 --> 01:34:28.819 [SPEAKER_01]: And trust me, like, I fucking, like, I've been working on refinishing this knife that I made. 01:34:30.335 --> 01:34:50.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about seven, or sorry, eight to 10 years ago, it is there's such a difference in my own geometry that I do today in the way I grind my knives, that is, and this knife, even though it's that old, it has an S grinding it, but it is the way I do it now is very different. 01:34:50.382 --> 01:34:59.896 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think more than anything, like try not to be too hard in yourself and allow yourself room, like Jeff was saying, like room for evolution. 01:35:00.477 --> 01:35:09.030 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, fucking do your best at any given moment, but also know that you can't have it all fucking dialed in right off the get. 01:35:09.070 --> 01:35:13.437 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice, maybe, but that I think the real 01:35:14.007 --> 01:35:18.173 [SPEAKER_01]: goal is the journey and and being open to constant learning. 01:35:18.253 --> 01:35:19.295 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still learning. 01:35:19.315 --> 01:35:21.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing this for fucking 16 years. 01:35:21.898 --> 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