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[SPEAKER_02]: We have yet another brand who have a so coming at you from a future that probably a lot closer than anything because we are going to be discussing the show Black Mirror that is a Netflix show and it's all about technology and the nightmares
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[SPEAKER_02]: what's going on everybody welcome to geeks from the multiverse we are talking black mirror and i am one of your host grumpy beer it is always you got your boy got them will stash you know he is like well did you know that it was french band did you know that
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly what we always say.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say real quick, Matt.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really thought you said a different word a second ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you said something with a C and then into the T. Maybe because you weren't opening your ears.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was opening my ears.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying the way I heard it,
[SPEAKER_03]: he better not have just said that on the show now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I certainly did not say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, so that's how to like, but anyways, now I just wanted to make sure that we were very clear on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we, we like to start off before the show, you know, little small talk here and there, but yeah, I know Matt's got an interesting topic real quick that we're going to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you, I mean, unless you live under a rock,
[SPEAKER_02]: If you at least check out our show and you know what we talk about, like, there are certain things that, you know, come out periodically, yeah, it's at our culture related so recently spider noir came out it's on it's an Amazon prime show and
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's only eight episodes, it's not like it's not really that hard to like sit down and like watch that I think I watched the whole thing and like one, you know, one thing, but it's more like a Saturday afternoon, but it's fine it's one I it's just a very unique show in that it's not Disney and I think that that's like what makes it refreshing, but it's it's one of those shows it's like
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one, it's probably one of Nicholas Cage's strongest acting that he's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's surprising in modern years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Nicholas Cage is sort of that guy that's like, I think a script could be male to his house from a fan and he would be like, yeah, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's just been in so many different movies, but like this show is just so much different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he has so much range and
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole 1930s, private investigator, private detective, motif that he's putting on as an actor, it's just, it's cool to see like, there seems that just made me giggle because I was like, if you know anything about like 1930s film, this is how he's acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly how they did back in the actual 30s and it's it's pretty amazing, but they they did the show in a way where you can watch it in this like true hue color.
[SPEAKER_02]: but you could also watch it in black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would recommend watching it in black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the way it was designed in a spider into war, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, because when you think about Spider-Man in the whole, you know, sure, like when you think of like the movie, like, you know, spider-verse and, you know, all these other, like different variations of like the spider-man or like even the, you know, spider-women, you know, depending on which way you look at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's this one I feel is a very interesting take because like you don't see too many
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, different variations besides like Miles Morales, really nowadays.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, so to take something that, you know, sure, it's been in comics, it's been, you know, mentioned in like certain movies and in other things like that, you know, like different very, you know, variants, you know, and the fact that, yes, you're right with Disney not touching this thing and actually like letting Amazon kind of doing its own thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually excited to be able to watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say when because I don't exactly know when, but I would hope that sometimes soon, you know, to really dive deep into, you know, a different totally different version of, I mean, is he called, like, does he say that he's Peter Parker?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's been Riley.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been Riley.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like if you don't know,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, to all those Marvel fans out there, maybe you do know or you don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, or even the ones that really just don't know anything about Spider-Man, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are different technically people that become, you know, Spider-Man in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like, I don't know when it was like the, um, when you were just saying about Ben Brown, they I was thinking of the, um, it was that 90s one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the, uh, it wasn't just, it was the amazing Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the,
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like the future one, like the future Spider-Man show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would try to remember that 90's one off the time I had, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like the 29.99.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's 29.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's 29.99, or because I think it is, been maybe, I don't know if they use that same name or if it was something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if, I mean, I don't know if in other variations if Ben Riley was the Scarlet Spider, you know, there's a bunch of other versions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, this one is, it's basically the same version that you saw into the spider verse, it's that version.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that you know animated movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: his character was still black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, his character was still in black and white like his character even though like the colors are so vibrant in those You know, he's his character is still black and white, but yeah, I think the show as a whole is pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you see You know, the alternate versions of San Man and tombstone and it's a different take and you know, it's it's kind of like it's not perfect
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think you said to go, okay, you know, I mean, like you were saying, I mean, when we've talked about so much about Disney, right, we always know that yes, they designify it, they do something weird to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't follow the damn blueprint as we've always mentioned before, right, you know, so they don't, you know, the fact that Amazon really took it like you're saying like to another level.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like kind of did something a little differently than what you know Disney is done in the past and all this other stuff like it's it's a nice take right it's a nice at least refreshing view you know of something that doesn't have to be related to marble in the sense of that and you know Disney in that sense because you know like Matt and I've said you know sure if Disney never bonded I mean I can only imagine
[SPEAKER_03]: which studio would have been able to buy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what the reported budget for spider noir series is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if it's anything like brave new world, like in that budget, remember when we were talking about that a while back?
[SPEAKER_02]: 400 million.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was basically almost close to the same budget as brave new world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was a TV show, mind you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking, that's probably one of the most expensive TV
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I mean, that's pretty damn insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was in black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think of like the boys season five, we tried more episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Season five of the boys had a budget of 120 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fucking insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, the fact that this show was meant to be in black and white had literally tripled the amount
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, that isn't saying I don't understand how that's the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I, you know, I think it's a good show.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're, if you are going to watch it or you are watching it, do not watch it in color.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can if you want, but it's it really loses some of its flare.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you watch it in that true Hugh color, you should watch it in black and white.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got like, I don't really like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just suck it up on her cup, you know, just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, come on, you're talking about spider into war, like watch it the way it's meant to be watched.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's meant to be like this 1930s film is really what it's meant to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure you can watch it in color, but it's kind of like watching the Wizard of Oz when they get to Oz and they're in color and you're like, was it shit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like everything is so vibrant and bright, because they added the color after.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know like that's what I think that's what they did and it's you know it's a good show I would check it out, but we are here to talk about a different show John.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I know the one show that Matt was like You better watch this fucking show or I'm gonna kill you
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, what, man?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like pretty much every time every episode we were talking about a show or a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't watched that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've watched some of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I do have the general understanding.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, like I said, I mean, the with black mirror though, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's just get on with it right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, day viewed in 2011, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It immediately stood apart from from most science fiction because it wasn't focused on alien spaceships,
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, it adds a much more uncomfortable question.
[SPEAKER_03]: What happens if we keep doing exactly what we're doing right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: So Matt, I'm going to let you answer that one and what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you, I mean, if you know anything about Black Mirror and I'm going to go, it's somewhere in these notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we get to it, you don't have to reset it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea of the title, Black Mirror,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why did they call it black mirror?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because when you look at your phone, like, I'm looking at my phone right now, it's not on, it's just black.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at your computer screen or your TV, when it's off, it's black.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a mirror when you're looking at it because the reflection is you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the title basically is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The title, the black mirror is the, you know, when you're looking at your phone and it's off, it's reflecting of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that to me is like kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's literally our own reflection in technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you take this question, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens if we keep doing exactly what we're doing right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know anything about the show, it's awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't make you feel good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does not make you feel good at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the creator is Charlie Brooker.
[SPEAKER_02]: He built a show around this idea that technology isn't inherently evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just the danger comes from how human beings use said technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I find that interesting right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: The real danger comes from how human beings use technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just talked about this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about AI.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the guy literally created a show that really mentioned everything that we were talking about with AI and everything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that this could be our reality and it already is in some ways right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna say it, man, I don't know if it's like inception where it's just like a big old minefuck, but like this is getting basically this show is a giant minefuck, because I mean, you can look at like American horror story kind of does this, you know, they have a version where every episode's different, but this show has an anthology format that is both a strength, but it's unlike anything else like is on TV because
[SPEAKER_02]: one week, you could have this real psychological horror story, and then the very next episode, it's a love story, and then the next it's heavy satire, and then the next it's sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like not every episode is exactly the same, and you're like, what the hell is happening now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, and I was also going to say, well, I guess I'm going to mention a little bit of Marvel here for a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like watching one division.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you never know what you're going to get because you go, it's a lot different than I am joking on that, but yeah, I mean, you can have one episode that looks exactly like star track and it's like this weird parody and they're they're doing different things and then all of a sudden you get to this one where it's like this little toy robot thing is attacking people it's like it's just completely different and.
[SPEAKER_02]: the show just explores different fears.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think without being trapped by one certain cast or a certain storyline, like each episode really does stand on its own.
[SPEAKER_02]: And each episode has different cast members, different people in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, imagine paying all of these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, I mean, now granted for them, it's only this one episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, I mean, how many seasons right now is it with like eight five I believe was the only five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think they're just on five, but that I mean, they've done, you know, there there was a movie that they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, where was like, you know, Netflix had this whole choose your own adventure type thing that they did with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, where you would have to choose the next scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would watch to a certain point and then it would give you an option of
[SPEAKER_02]: A or B and then that would guide the rest of the movie of like where you went from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, they've done different things, but I think it's just you watch it and it's things that could be plausible, even if they're like way out there, you kind of like, I could see you this happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, think about everything that we've ever talked about.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm thinking of one, and it was kind of a random example, like last of us, you know, everything, at least in the beginning of that show, we're not talking about the second season.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've talked about how, like, for example, exombe's like, that could be a real thing if you look at it in a way that, you know, last of us, and they were talking about fungus.
[SPEAKER_03]: That isn't that far off, you know, in the sense of plausibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's a kind of a random example, but, you know, looking back at this, it's like, well, shit, I guess I could actually see that, you know, yep, we're going to, we're going to one day, just, you know, that's going to dry up and yep, the earth is going to fucking either blow up or whatever the fucking case is, you know, whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it's like that scary reality.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just don't want to happen, but you know that at any moment it could have so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole channel for thing in these notes, but I do know that this show originally like it probably still is like it's it's a brilliant like it's kind of a British.
[SPEAKER_02]: like created show like that's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I can see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think like their channel for, you know, maybe in the UK is you know, dedicated network, but it eventually did come to Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Netflix like does own black mirror, which, you know, they're right now they're on season.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did just a few season five.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think like you look at season one through three and fans of the show would say that those probably are the strongest episodes, like the best seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can see it in the show when you look at the season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: the earlier episodes definitely had smaller budgets and then as they get, you know, as they get going like season three and season four, you know, you have complete episodes like USS Count McAllister and it's like almost completely star wars and there's graphics that they're using and there's certain things that they're doing and it's just,
[SPEAKER_03]: So fun fact actually there's seven series or I guess you know because if we're talking about the British style, it is series not you know seasons, but there are seven series and actually there was renewed for an eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: So technically, I mean you weren't I guess too far off, but yes, there are there are seven currently and then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, series, I guess, or seasons, especially because it's been around for so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so channel 4 is a British free to air public broadcast television channel, owned and operated by Channel 4 television corporation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably like our public, I like PBS.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, probably that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, I haven't watched all of like mayor, but what many fans still consider is that seasons one, two, three are the strongest runs of episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Channel four owned or did all three of those seasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Netflix took over after
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, season three and I think it was like, yeah, from four up until now, this is what they've been doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's interesting that, you know, the, they're, you know, free to, you know, broadcast, like, you know, system.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was considered the strongest because you would think because Netflix has a bigger budget.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe you would be a little bit better each season, the way it keeps going forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I mean, Netflix also has been known to buy shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then completely, it's kind of like, again, just like Disney, they like to change things we at a control because they just can do whatever the fuck they want.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and I guess this is an interesting one, but like the fact that black mirror changed modern science fiction, the fact that a TV show,
[SPEAKER_03]: In some ways, changed how we view science fiction.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because I can see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, well, hold on, it's kind of like when Star Trek originally came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Star Trek was a phenomenon that changed how science fiction, at least back in the well, back in the early 60s and then going forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was a staple.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then the fact that this show,
[SPEAKER_03]: coming out, you know, like the, the early 2010s changed how we view science fiction now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not saying that it can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just find it interesting that this one show definitely has somehow influenced on how we've, you know, how we view science fiction now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I, I definitely could see that because I mean, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more technology-based horror, you know, the idea that it's not necessarily like we said before, the technology that's the inherently evil thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's how we are using it or how it's how much it progresses and how we use it and how it's implemented and how we maybe overuse it or you know, if we're using it at all,
[SPEAKER_02]: is really the kind of negative thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we kind of like get to this thing when you watch a black mirror episode or you're watching anything that's black mirror, you can see like, oh, this is definitely like black mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if it's not black mirror itself, like you can watch a movie,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, a newer movie or a different TV show altogether and be like, Oh, this is sort of like black mirror because I, I don't remember what I was watching, but I said that to Danielle when we were watching something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the concept was like, Oh, my gosh, this is almost like black mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in the way that they're showing it, and I could see like how it has changed like those modern science fiction, not as a whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, science fiction has been around since, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: 1800s like it's been around for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea like, oh, it's, you know, it's changed science fiction forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't know about that, but it definitely has been, um, it might have had some like sure like influences and things like that, too, but, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely one of those shows that, sure, it can definitely help progress what modern science fiction would be.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we're doing now.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know nobody understands what we're doing right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably better that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just saying that, you know, what science fiction in general, I mean, sure, you look at Star Trek and how they viewed it back in the day and then you look at.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Star Wars and in so many, you know, all these other like things that have come about, you know, they have their own take, but it's, it's interesting that, you know, you get to show like this and you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, modern day, this is what it, you know, what do you think of what it would be?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're, I mean, you're also talking like 1960s, but they were doing sci-fi stuff in like 1920s.
[SPEAKER_03]: like a pioneer of, you know, like sci-fi in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, I was mentioning more like I said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think it's like black mirror has created more conversational science fiction than like Star Trek or Star Wars could because you have people that like, oh, I don't watch Star Trek or I don't watch Star Wars, but like when you talk about an episode of black mirror that's literally like somebody walking around,
[SPEAKER_02]: their social status has a number attached to it and if you have a higher number, you can actually get a coffee at a shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if your number is below a certain level, like there's a sign in this episode on one of these coffee carts, that says like, if your score is under this, like we won't serve you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, so people are literally chasing like, you see it in the episode like when this lady's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, somebody's like heading their dog and they take a picture of it and they post it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody just turns around and goes like like like like like like like and their social score just increases.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking of, um, so it's just that chase of like that chase of being like the one person who's standing there and doesn't like it, like your score goes down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody looks at you like, you're like a underclass.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, and I mean, no, and you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because I mean, that honestly could happen to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also thinking of the Orville, because I else, and it sounds kind of weird when I say it like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do remember an episode that kind of reminds me of this, you know, like what you were just talking about, because it's interesting, like I said, if a show influences other shows that in the mate, like kind of reference, like another show, but it's like still influential.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like, when I, it's not even just like the Orville but like family guy, you know, like, like a lot of the sitcoms like how many times do you see them doing like, you know, parodies of like certain things and they're like, oh, like, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm just going to say randomly, but like Britney Spears are like, you know, like the random incidents of like celebrities or like the other TV shows and the reference other things and do all this, I mean, if you get a show that can be referenced and especially like in other shows like that, or even just like in culture in general, I mean, it says a lot about what this show really has done and and because it's so random and you just don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not going to do that, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to shut up and dance, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'm just letting you know right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because no one would see me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why would I shut up and dance, man?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just keep talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just saying that it's with Black Mirror.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like I said, even the very first episode, it was a very,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I could see it being very weird and like not knowing what the fuck is going on, but I just was sitting there watching the very first one and I was like, what the fuck is going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really didn't have a clue.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, and by the end of it, you're just like, oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: So basically this guy, and I'll say it, basically he was told that he had to go fuck a pig.
[SPEAKER_03]: i'm not going to explain the whole episode but basically that was kind of the just of the end of it because they were like they kidnapped the it was like one of the princesses of whatever it was like the you know like basically in England basically you're talking about like the you know princess of whales or whatever so like in the in the at the very end it was like well yep this guy had to go fuck up
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, well, that's just fucking wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, he's scarred for life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then everyone was watching in a national television.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was just the first episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: The very first episode that you'd ever, and you go, well, that's a weird fucking episode to start with.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that, you'd be like, well, you know, like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some ways that sounds like that's a good time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would, you're like, wait, what did the fuck did I just watch?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like, that's what we're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you just, you really don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: what to expect.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what also makes it brilliant, you know, because you're you're never really going to know what is going to happen next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like I said, because it's all random because it's supposed to be these these minefucks and you just don't understand really what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have some some episodes here and we're we're going to talk a
[SPEAKER_02]: The episodes that kind of really were messed up and broke people's brains.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have some that are the best, the weirdest, and most memorable, I will start with, I guess the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: White Christmas is regarded as one of the best episodes that stars John Ham.
[SPEAKER_02]: and introduces these cookies, and I use quotations, cookies, which are digital copies of human consciousness that think and feel exactly like the original person.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you think something like Siri, or you have like an Amazon, you have a Google home, or you know one of these like Amazon dots, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think of a device like that,
[SPEAKER_02]: but it houses a digital copy of you and in the in the episode like they're using these copies to manage their homes they manage their schedule sort of exactly like you would do it a Google home or but it's actually a like a digital version of you and
[SPEAKER_02]: The implication of this whole episode is that society has essentially legalized this digital slavery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the ending of this episode is this guy who he's basically going to serve life in prison.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead,
[SPEAKER_02]: He has his consciousness put into one of these devices these cookies and he experiences thousands of years of isolation while basically minutes pass in his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of those episodes where it's like, holy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you just put this guy through thousands of years of being alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am self.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you just like put it back into his brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, could you imagine that for a second?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, not just like, you know, hey, I spent three years in a cave, you know, stuck on an island.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're talking 1,000 of years by yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: When it comes down to this show, I really feel like it's like you really want to deal with like post-traumatic stress disorder.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is basically what it's going to give you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So no, I mean, no, who in the right mind would ever think, oh yeah, you know what, that must be a great time to live through a thousand years worth of isolation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And say, you know what, it's fine, it'll be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically a, it's a digital version of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're actually a version of you is living in this device.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're subjecting these people to just be there all the time, no, like, and that's what that episode is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I highlighted the shot up in dance because that was one of the episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that one, I feel like there was a movie or something that was similar to what this episode was, but
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode basically tells the story of a teenage boy, his name is Kenny, and he's being blackmailed into committing these bizarre and criminal acts by anonymous hackers, and they're basically in possession of a video of him masturbating.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they're threatening to release it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another man that he meets while he's on this journey, and he's being blackmailed over infidelity.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the whole episode is him doing all of these weird, delivering a cake to a hotel room.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to like, I believe he's,
[SPEAKER_02]: mental like steep like steal something but there's like a gun concealed inside the cake to rob a bank, which is what he was supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's all these like little things that like happen in the show and then they end up like it's one of like.
[SPEAKER_02]: These weird twists because you think like at the end they're just going to like, all right, you've you've passed you've done everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they.
[SPEAKER_02]: release it anyway, like the video just gets released anyway, and you're like, what, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, like he's literally doing all of these things to try to like keep this video from getting out, like from his parents, like the threat was like, we're going to send this to your parents and every member of your family, the people you work with, like basically everybody is going to see you masturbating on on this
[SPEAKER_02]: and he's doing all this thing like he's delivering the cake he gets the gun he's meant to go rob this bank and do all these things and we look at him as like the victim and he ends up you know it's just it's one of those weird like weird twist in this whole and this in the whole thing um there's a you know another couple of them and i know you haven't
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the entire history of you, this is set in a world where people can replay every memory they've ever experienced, like, to have a chip in their brain, like, when they, you know, when they, they see it like through their eyes, so they, they can replay any memory and,
[SPEAKER_02]: The husband becomes obsessed with reviewing these old interactions and conversations and really just starts replaying like every memory over and over again, trying to find like, this little needle in a haystack about his wife is lying or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, you're playing this like, it's, it's really one of these tragic things of like, this would really happen in real life
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm replaying this memory and I, you set you said this over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the web is like, who cares?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because the way you said it and you keep, you know, it's just he creates like that weird, you know, argument.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is exactly what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he, he finds like I believe in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
[SPEAKER_02]: he's revisiting these old texts and emails and he's trying to find out of his wife is cheating and there's all these like memories of this guy, I think that's like he puts his hand on her hand and he's like looking too far into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It just keeps going and going and going and he just gets obsessed and this is what Black Mirror is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not the technology itself that was really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: replaying these memories in his head.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I could see people, I think Danielle would be one of these people that would just replay memories being like, you remember when this, you know, like, no, I don't remember what I had for fucking lunch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't give a shit what happened, like, 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we need to move on from this shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you can't even let this go, then I don't know what to tell you, but no, I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: that I mean just listening to that you know kind of description of it that's literally the definition of insanity yeah I mean the guy is replaying it all over and over and over again just so he can prove that his wife was cheating on him right like I mean I get if you have your suspicions but like do you really have to go that fucking far
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I'm gonna go through every fucking memory that I've ever had, and I'm gonna try to remember every single conversation just so I could figure out if she was cheating on me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a real question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless you want to, I mean, whether you spoil it or not, does he actually find out?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't recall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me look it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that he's, I mean, he's pretty deep into the, you know, trying to find these like.
[SPEAKER_02]: memories.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this episode is set in a future where a grain technology records people's audio-visual senses and you can rewatch the memories.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he becomes suspicious after seeing her
[SPEAKER_02]: his wife interact with a friend of hers named Jonas this leads him to scrutinize his memories of his wife's claims about the nature of her relationship with Jonas and that's pretty much like what the whole thing is like it's him going through all of these memories about their
[SPEAKER_02]: He's showing her the memories.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets embarrassed, he interrogates his wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, she ends up leaving him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their relationship, basically he does find out like that they had some kind of a relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it does not end well.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was all this, and still loses, doesn't matter which way you look at it, it's a pretty fucked up man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, and the whole, I mean, the whole episode just doesn't end very well, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, um, continues at the very, very end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: He continues to watch these memories of his wife and some other, you know, this other lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: He uses a razor blade and tweezers to remove his grain and the screen cuts the black as he pulls it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's basically where he gets, where he gets to at the end of that, like he basically pulls out the entire, I just can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really fucking can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that is just something to hell out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have no idea what to say on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So play test is another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one is Wyatt Russell, which he's pretty popular now.
[SPEAKER_02]: nowadays and nowadays.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is an American who play tests and upcoming augmented reality game in London while traveling.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a horror game which accesses his brain and targets his fears.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's uh, no, I'm going to say right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely going to say now because Matt and I was like, Oh, would you want to watch turkey abs of fucking Lily not I or like, Hey, would you like to see what free falling feels like?
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely fucking that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not need to see that in order to I want to relive any of that shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, this one obviously does not end well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he he's seeing things
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's reality and illusion become just impossible to distinguish like it's all augmented reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're seeing is like what you think is really happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of those things like he goes into this room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you watch the episode, the room is like, it's very white and just plain like there's just a table and and equipment and everything and you know he.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up dying at the end of this episode, but it's like, it's really so tragic and this pretty much like every bike we have episode, it ends very, very tragically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And none of the, I mean, I don't know, I mean, there are some kind of feel good ones, but they're very here or there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one is,
[SPEAKER_02]: one of the most tragic twists i think in the series but it a lot of them have like these weird just tragic twists that like you kind of like as you're watching the episodes you're watching it on fold and you're like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is not gonna end well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it usually doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Black Museum, this is Black Mirror's version of a horror anthology, features multiple interconnected stories, involving consciousness transfer.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pain-sharing technology and digital imprisonment.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was our all fun, John?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I thought your favorite one was the digital imprisonment, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that's I love that that one that oh wait no actually besides that one the pain sharing technology People like home on if I'm fucking around with this john you're going to also get my pain so every story rolls around people exploiting technology for profit The museum itself becomes a symbol of humanity turning suffering into entertainment
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I like that, not really.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the best weirdest and most memorable episode, San Junipero, one of the rare optimistic episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Elderly people can upload their consciousness into a digital paradise after death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this one, this one was truly unique and I actually did really like this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: If follow us to women who meet and fall in love inside the simulated world, um, it raises fascinating questions about immortality, identity, and what happens after death, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: it will actually won multiple Emmy Awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so this one is like one of those ones where these two women, they're not together outside in the real world, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have paid to upload their consciousness into this like,
[SPEAKER_02]: paradise digital world where they will live forever, not as old women, but like just maybe the younger selves, like their younger selves and everybody, you know, this world is like, you know, I think that one point they go to like this rave and it's, you know, everybody's just dancing
[SPEAKER_02]: year going there like as you as you visually would see yourself so they're like the younger versions of themselves and you know they meet and they're interacting with each other like one you know one of them doesn't really want to be there you know understandably but it is what it is it is is one of the rare optimistic black mirror episodes well you know get them a lot the fact that in one episode one multiple Emmy Awards
[SPEAKER_03]: That says a lot, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what we're also saying too here is that if one episode can win multiple Emmy Awards and having those, we've already mentioned before, but that influence, that just something about it that made it special or that uniqueness to what television is.
[SPEAKER_03]: to have one episode when multiple Emmy Awards that you know, technically, you know, trying to get like the best film, you know, for, or even a movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're talking about one fucking episode in a TV show that one multiple, I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: That seems, I mean, it's ridiculous at the same time, but that's quite interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially for a TV show like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's the fourth episode in the third series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's where this one is set.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to see where the a word there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really see any, anyways, I'm moving on.
[SPEAKER_02]: USS Calister, this one, I actually, they did a, they did like a second part of this
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, episode in I think season eight like one of the latest seasons and I really, really, really loved the idea behind this one because they copied that like feeling of like the kind of cheap cheaply made star track, you know that and that just that.
[SPEAKER_02]: 60's vibe, but it was that mash-up of Star Trek, this workplace comedy and psychological horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what the episode is about is this programmer creates digital copies of his co-workers.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where Black Mirror does a lot of this like digital consciousness, digital copies.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he creates these digital copies of his co-workers and he traps him inside this like science, fiction,
[SPEAKER_02]: And inside this world, he basically is the, he's God in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he has all the power.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he controls what happens and what doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is like the, the ship's captain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just explores this toxic fandom, abuse of power and title.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, it's just one of those episodes that's,
[SPEAKER_02]: entertaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, it's, it's cool the way they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, nose dive.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the one I was initially saying about the social interaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's set in a, in a world that where your social interaction is rated one to five stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: and your score determines where you can live, where you can work, where you can travel, socialize, where you can shop in particular.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the main character is this woman who becomes obsessed with maintaining the perfect rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you can imagine in this episode, she makes one mistake where I think she like votes somebody as a one star.
[SPEAKER_02]: And from there, like her very, very high score just keeps going down and it just she just escalates this way worse and it like you know soon like she almost has like a zero score or like I think she almost goes into the negative and she can't go anywhere like public transportation is out of the question like everything is based on
[SPEAKER_02]: your social score.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one, I think, is the most, I mean, it's easiest one to look at, but it's also the one that's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see a world where this is the thing like, if your score isn't high enough, like, you can't take a taxi, you can't buy a coffee at Starbucks or where, you know, you can't go anywhere or do anything and you have this world where like, if I'm wearing a nice hat and somebody goes, hey, nice hat, five stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody around that person's going five stars five stars five stars and if you're the one person that just goes I don't really like the had it's one star then everybody's looking at you They're going to your social feed and they're going one star one star one star one star on your social feed just because You didn't give that person five stars like that to me is like the fucking ridiculous bullshit that this show is and the one thing is too is that
[SPEAKER_03]: when you start to look at it like how, especially technology is the way it's been going.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is probably going to be one of the ones that I would agree that you can definitely see this happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, Instagram, TikTok, like the whole influencer culture, I mean, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're basically almost doing it now, except society isn't ruled by it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, no yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the words here, no yet, because I mean, Matt, think about it like this, because doing this podcast, do you really think, you know, you and I would get high scores, or we would probably get fucked, and we would, I don't even know how we'd survive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you that right now, at least socially interacting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually, maybe I would have a decent score.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about you, my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have the lowest score possible, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that would probably be the case because I don't see it's like so we're going to do this or You know, he's like, ah, no, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where'd I get out of to do shit?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to go guns blazing baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess I can't get a ride home today.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I basically on house arrest can't even work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: um, Joan is awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one was pretty unique.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in the way that they did it, uh, this is, uh, woman named Joan, obviously Joan is awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, as a woman named Joan, and it follows her as her life is adapted in real time into a television series starring some of Hayek.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's released on a fictional streaming service, uh, stream berry that
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's one of those like just interesting things where in like, she sees this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's watching an episode of something that she's actively doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, the show is actually called Joan is awful and it's showing like what she's actually doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, it's just this like weird thing,
[SPEAKER_02]: it's showing like how awful like it is and it's all done with a like the show itself is like AI characters that are doing these things and like that the show is using her likeness or personalities because she licensed it to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this whole thing is just showing like how
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very black mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the show does explore AI, privacy, data, digital consent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's exactly where we're at almost right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which, again, it's sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the fact that we're living in a world where this especially could be the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: where you could have a streaming service and you can go on and be like, Matt is awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you just see like all, you know, you just see episodes on how like all the awful things that you're doing and you're like,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no fucking thing right now they even created an app that you that made a custom graphic so you could have like your own name that said like Matt is awful in that style.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's kind of like how far black mirror went with it like where you can actually make your own graphic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I posted on my Facebook.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But hated in the nation features robotic bees created after real bees go extinct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Social media users unknowingly vote people to be murdered combines detective mystery with technology who are one of the large scale stories black mirror ever attempted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to some of these and it's like, um, it's the fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the final episode in that third season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, premiered on Netflix October 21, 2016.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, I mean, they're investigating, you know, basically these detectives are investigating a
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... i just at the hands of these autonomous drone insects so there you go yeah i'm at do you see do you really want to deal with like robotic bees uh... no for saying something on social media and then having these fucking drone bees kill you no thanks i'm good with that that that was your favorite that time you know getting attacked by robotic bees i'm i think i'm good with that you know
[SPEAKER_02]: we can say so much of this like oh yeah some of these were set in the future some of these were you know some of the episodes and what they showed are like things that cannot take place like right now because of the technology but right there are so many things in the in the show that already exist in some form like AI chatbot can imitate personalities
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, echoing concepts from certain episodes like there's beer, there's one that's beer right back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, having an AI chatbot like completely imitate somebody's personality.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I could right now create an AI personality of John, and chat with it like it was John.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that is stupid, that's just, it's dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deepfake technology, I mean, we know of the deepfakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those were big, you know, a few years ago, but it's even worse now when you can recreate voices and faces with such a alarming accuracy, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and it's true, because I mean, think about all the,
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember, we were talking about like the actors and things like that where the the likeness and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, all he would right now is actually actively talking about creating AI actors and actresses to put in movies, like not ones that like are alive, like actual fake AI personalities that are actors that they can put in their movies right and do whatever the fact they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is where we're at, this is, this is, this is but like we're living in black mirror social media, a lot functions like the primitive version of nose dive likes follows views engagement, you know, we have influencer careers, I mean, look at Mr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beast, oh yeah, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: His whole life is driven by follows and likes and views.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I mean, that's that's smart devices constantly collecting data about our habits, routines, purchases and behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever said something out loud and you go on Facebook and all of a sudden you see an ad.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, or basically another thing is like, you know, you talk about that one thing and then all of a sudden it's like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, did you want to talk about this or do you want to explore you look something up on you know you look something up on chrome on your phone and then all of a sudden like you're on Instagram or you're on Facebook and you see an ad for that like you could look up Carl's junior and I can guarantee you within that day you will have ads for Carl's junior I might have ads right now if I go on my Facebook and look at Facebook and be like Carl's junior is like and this is why when Matt told me to shut up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did because this is the point because unless you wanted to start affecting your life or like understanding the fact that you don't, you really just don't know who's listening and they're like, oh, hey, by the way, oh, that calls during you look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to get the directions for that place so that we can get over there right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're like, it's also got to remind me of that one joke, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I laughed, my wife laughed, the toaster left.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the fridge, it's like, okay, then we're going to far.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to if I can say at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think moving on to pillow four.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the good old black mirror isn't just- We're on pillow four, bro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where I'm sorry, I realized that afterwards, my bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where was that?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're already on like facts and trivial.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So many viewers, you know, jokingly refer to modern news stories as another black mirror episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, it's not that far off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, when you look at the next thing, like several episodes have already gone viral after their release because real world technology caught up to the premise, which is a lot, which says it says it's why to be on the fact that they're already kind of predicting the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, and then Charlie Brooker himself has also commented that reality sometimes become stranger than the ideas here originally wrote a satire.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you look at, you know, there's eight seasons of episodes, plus there's, you know, the individual ones, I think like Joan is awful was an individual idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you go, wait, reality, he thinks he thinks reality is stranger than ideas that he wrote.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That like, and we're done there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think we're done here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, black mirror isn't predicting the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's documenting human behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's more true than you think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know, which is pretty sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, the technology changes, but the flaws stay the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, talking about like human, like just emotion and everything else, guess what, you know, if the fact that it even says in the beginning, you know, it's not the technology, it's the person who's using that technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a lot of these, I mean, there are so many other episodes that we haven't mentioned that are just, you watch a minute like, no, no fucking way, no, I hope that that's not our fucking world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, social media basically and you're like, I mean, it's not far up, but I hope really hope that doesn't be the fucking case because
[SPEAKER_03]: I already know, Mad and I would have totally different scores in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, we would both be like, we don't care who we hang out with, but because it's based off of your social media following and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not just the following.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's how you're interacting with other people because yeah, as soon as like when you watch that episode knows dive, as soon as you watch that, it's it's really not just about like, oh, I have to like everything, you know, when I'm sitting here alone, no, no, somebody next to you could post a selfie, everybody gets that notification.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the minute you go,
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I really like your hat you would be on their page and you would be like like like like like like they're a whole page so their social score would go up right and You'd see another guy with a really cute dog and go oh nice dog five stars five stars five stars and everybody around them is given them five stars five stars you know, so it's like The minute like you do something that's like You know you bump into somebody to go what the fuck
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess one star one star one star near social score starts going down and then everybody sees you in like they're like They're like one star.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know and it's again, and it's pretty sad because you know, I'm thinking of like, you know, police body cameras and they, you know, recording everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, you know, you're sitting there and you're Or I guess if you're let's say you're the one being
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, pursued or this and that, it's like, yeah, well, there's digital evidence and then imagine just like uploading that whole entire video and then be like, well, shit, and then this whole social system, you know, that they're, you know, like you were just mentioning, I'm like, I don't really know if I really want that to be publicly.
[SPEAKER_02]: fact like what do I do now like right yeah but I mean I think the show is a whole like if you're into that like science fiction and you're you're kind of into that I mean a lot of the episodes are dark they have really tragic endings tragic twists but when you look at the show as a whole like the show is really good like yeah it's a really really good show it's a lot more thought provoking
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, you know, a lot of it could be plausible if you look at it, um, a lot of it is, the technology just isn't there quite yet, but like, right, it's, it's just a really, really good show and if you haven't, you know, checked it out at all, you should check it out because it's a really, really good show and some of the, you know, the movie that they did, um, I'm trying to think of the name of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because it was like an interactive one, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Hold on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've already covered a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's a Bandersnatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's called.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so he, it's a
[SPEAKER_02]: decisions.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's still there, but it should probably still be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you follow this guy named Stefan, and he's working on his video game bander snatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a viewer, you have to make these choices first, Stefan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, from his breakfast cereal to like life or death decisions, you know, it kind of breaks this fourth wall and you had different endings, depending on where you went, you had different endings with what you chose.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where you'd like to choose your adventure was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, different.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you had
[SPEAKER_02]: really different conclusions where you could get really this like mundane safe endings to these really dark endings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was really kind of unique, you know, I don't think for as far as a Netflix or a show, there hasn't really been anything that's done that before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's really cool and that's where I think Black Mirror is really unique in that way where you're seeing things that don't generally like you don't see in a TV show right now, that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about you, Matt, but I feel like we've covered a lot about black mirror and just like, you know, giving you guys just kind of more information about I mean, of course, just check it out if you want to check out some really weird but interesting episodes, especially regarding, you know, black mirror, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've definitely, like I said, we've already talked about it, you know, we've talked about so much about technology that I'm just like, I feel like I'm overloaded and I'm, I'm exhausted, man, I don't know by you, but I'm, I'm getting there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm beat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, you know, like I said, you know, like what Matt said before, you know, check us out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let us know how we do and, you know, reach out to us, do all that fist bump shit, you know, all that cool shit that, you know, maybe we can be technologically.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know great like you know like black mirror is especially you know that one episode winning all those Emmys you know I'm just saying maybe one day we can actually get there yeah just make sure you give us those five stars so you don't become a lower class citizen okay yeah and then if now we're gonna give you a one-stime then you're really gonna yeah you're gonna be fucked you're gonna be fucked but anyways boys and girls until next time
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're a geeks from the multiverse.