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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, welcome back to the mastering rod building podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Bill Focker, and I have a fun one today.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the way from the Golden State of California, I have none other than the one, the only El Caritos Carlos El Redelas Trucha Centers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The King of the California Ultra Light Trout Rod.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, man?
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when you had your first stop podcast and I was like, man, I've cool to be on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still kind of can't believe it's worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny that our digital editorial partners like, hey, you should do a podcast and I was like, who's going to listen?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, who am I going to talk to?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, well, just talk to your friends, talk to your odd buildings and people will listen and they were right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they pushed me to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad you're here, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: you have to we had to reschedule more than once because of me so my apologies for that and thank you for your flexibility but we have so much to talk about and I can't wait to introduce this kind of like
[SPEAKER_01]: major trout scene in the state of California.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very unique, very differentiated.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, I think offers a lot of innovation and a lot of different ways to think about how we fish for trout in different ways we think about ultra light rods as rod builders.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've learned so much from you and other anglers in California and I love trout fishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing them my whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But first, you know, the price of admission for being on the podcast, you have to go through basic training here and answer your complicated questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you get into fishing in the first place?
[SPEAKER_01]: And how did you get started building rods?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I didn't start fishing until I was pretty much in high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my buddy that I was, I played varsity football, baseball, and he came one day, he said, hey, Carlos, I went fishing, listen to that, I'm like, well, you fish, I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I fished when I was really small, just a couple of times here and there, it wasn't a big thing for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go with you one day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll go and start fishing with him and I'll start fishing again and you know, the rest of the history, I'll just start to go and every week in with him and what was this buddy, your baseball buddy?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was his name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they was junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Junior man, Junior you've done the world of favor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how many people have bad ass custom trout rods that wouldn't have them if you had an invited?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is as anglers we should all do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Invite someone who doesn't fish to go fishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never know who you might unlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be the next Carlito's 395, baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to just say thank you, Junior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I still talk to him to the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as I was before, but yeah, I mean, he comes down sometimes and he'll be like, hey, he's done me all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, I'm building the rods.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like six years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know your work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it several times in our shop and at PCS.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to tell you we were talking right before we started recording and you told me you'd only been building since 2019 and I nearly fell out on my chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't hear if this is this is got folks this is one of these new breed people who's taken advantage of all the information.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were also very fortunate.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were telling me you had an awesome mentor, Bob R. from BB Customs.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is another lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you see this kid's where I say is a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a grown man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just younger than me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're younger than me is a kid, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: My age starts with a five.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if yours doesn't start with a five, I call you a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should all take a lesson from this right like here you here you got into this because you had a buddy who took you fish and that's awesome A baseball buddy right it can be anybody from anywhere if your friends with somebody they are interested in your fishing divide I'm taking with you and then you were very fortunate so many rod builders in California so many good rod builders Bob Barb being one of Seems like sometimes countless thousands but totally legit guy and he was willing to teach you and here just six years later You have a thriving and robust business
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're bringing your own products to market like that's amazing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously you're an entrepreneur in a good business man and everything, but that's I'm sort of just shocked looking at your work that you've only been building for six years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I've been blessed with a lot of work and now I have my own line of blanks and yeah, because when I was out there fishing and I will see these guys with like custom rods and I was like, oh, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I went to a fishing seminar in one of the local shops here in LA, and I ran into your member with shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, it was, save on tackle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Save on tackle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a guy that was doing the similar one of the fishing guys and he's like, I know your cousin I'm like, really on that and he told me my cousin's name like, oh, yeah, that's my cousin and And I knew he he had all kinds of custom fishing rods on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you get those from?
[SPEAKER_00]: And guys, oh, I'll get them from baby custom.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's my good bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, hey, man, well, I would like to get one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's always like just, you know, he gave me his number, I call them, and he sent him to make him a rod and ever since then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember that back, he made all my custom fish and rods ever since then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we came really good friends, we fished together, and then the opportunity came for me to actually help them out in the shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, started doing some custom work for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was actually pretty fun after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think I was going to get into this much to be on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to be just maybe like, you know, just a little hobby here and there, just kind of show out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was just gluing handles and putting little preprock like that and after that it was it was pretty much history It's just like he relocated to Arizona and I was just kind of my own and after that I was okay this time step it up and they were really want to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead and do it
[SPEAKER_01]: And boy, have you ever been very successful?
[SPEAKER_01]: So good on you, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it should be such an encouragement to relatively inexperienced Rod builders of any age, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That like, you can do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just gotta be really good at your craft and you gotta be focused on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta be willing to give it a go, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm very impressed with what you've been able to do, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to try to set the scene here a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, like I said, I'm 53.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started trout fishing when I was seven years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: We took a trout group in Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say there's no trout in Texas, Asterisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some now and there were a few then.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so we used to go to the white river in Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_01]: right and this is a pretty long drive and we would tow a starcraft pop up camper and we'd spend a couple of weeks camping in the bullshel state park right below the dam on the white river and I just fill know about trout fishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned to tie flies there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned to fly fish there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned to ultralight lure fish there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned to bait fish for trout like.
[SPEAKER_01]: everything worms, scalpons, corn, coarse power bait, and all these kind of things, learn like just and I just have always really, really love trout fishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ironically, I don't enjoy eating them at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could care less about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll give them away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no interest in killing one at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're terrible, table fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: But um,
[SPEAKER_01]: But to each their own right like I know there's a lot of people think I'm an idiot for a lot of reasons And that's one of them and they're probably right, but it's just not to my taste But I've always loved it and then later in life when I started raw building in 1995 the first 10 years That's all I built was fly rods and it was kind of like a spin off from my fly tying, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I would another way to get closer to the sport and like engage in it more heavily and push it forward and I just loved it
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have trout fish all over the country largely because I had jobs that had me on the road for the better part of 30 years traveling almost every week right and so you know I fish Washington state I fish Oregon state I fish northern California very little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: all over the west in Montana and Wyoming and Idaho and Utah and you know all these places of course Arkansas and Missouri and the mountains in North Carolina some some of you know northeast in New York and all this but
[SPEAKER_01]: California, when I started going to PCS, like when I met you, you know, about four years ago and started getting into what people are really doing in California, like people have heard of the San Diego long range scene, people know about bass fishing on the Delta, I think people know a lot about some of the salt water stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the trout scene in California is unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a huge state by any measure, but especially north and south, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you literally have every trout habitat from natural high mountain lakes and streams.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, small habitats to natural lakes, manmade lakes, rivers, everything, right, and you have this huge variation of ways to fish and places to fish and huge variation of species and everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why this surprised me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you right now, and if you've never been out here, and if you have, you're going to, like, say, of course, this isn't going to surprise you at all, but when I tell you, and I'm going to have it popper and stick baiter and salt water tune a guy, and I've fished all over for you there are more people it by two or three times, let me say that again, there are more people at least twice or three times as many people fish and Stella's for trout in California.
[SPEAKER_01]: in this trout scene you're at the center of then there are fishing for tuna anywhere in the world and strano sales back this up I've talked to strano guys about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so interesting like you have these unbelievable paylikes and you have private membership legs and you've got some big trout like and I started looking because I'm sort of interested in this like state record rainbows like 28 pounds state record browns like 23 or 24 like the cutthroat's huge
[SPEAKER_01]: So how did you, so this whole scene fascinates me and there's a ton of people making lures making baits Making jigs like stuff very and I would say I think a lot of the ways I've learned a fish for trout will play there But you guys also fish for trout a lot of different ways especially in lakes that a lot of people don't typically target trout It's like a very innovative homegrown kind of scene, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So like
[SPEAKER_01]: You start rod building.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you get to be such a trout rod specialist?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that just the kind of fishing you like to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, well, I mean, when I first started, it was just literally, I was just throwing doughbait, like our bait and my crawler, it's sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I could see that guy is just whipping the rod back and forth and I'm all right, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I just started asking, I'm not what you guys are using, they'll use like the, some, you know, the Berkeley menos or the Berkeley little teaser, the fight that.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a lot of companies started growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was only like two companies at the time when I was fishing But now is like, there's tons of companies that make spoons that make mini jigs a cloud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah So I started paying attention right like guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I meet of your friends just at PCS the the guy Hector is that the truth truth of spoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yes Victor Victor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so like man He's making now again.
[SPEAKER_01]: He only drops him like one day a week on like Thursdays and you gotta get on
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they do, but these are like high-quality hand-painted spoons.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a JDM quality spoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an unbelievable quality spoon and they work, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got people fishing, little jigheads, and soft plastics.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got people fishing, little tubes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got people fishing these minnow, soft plastic types, swimbaits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's people tying jigs, like that's huge in Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_01]: We fish a lot of maribou jigs and hair jigs, but like it's such a cool scene, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, tell us more about it and tell us about who your customers are and what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of my customers, I mean, these blanks and these rods that I bail are mainly for like, mini jigs and spoons, and they can do the drop top.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why a lot of these customers that I have, they're really high, they're really good at what they do as far as they're doing those and doing the mini jigs, doing the drop shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, when you pair, people are serious about their equipment.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got three rods out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got three Stella's on them, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: do, yes, I'm serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they actually, I mean, they don't just put any type of line, they put a gray line on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that's why there's companies now that carry gray and include them myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why there's so many big companies out there and they like to pair them up with good rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the rods are different, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So like if I'm watching the White River and average ultra light trout rod is probably going to be anywhere from like 4-8 for people who like some really short, but like 5-6 to 6-6 is very typical.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys fish a lot of longer rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: So talk to me about that and those techniques and applications.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, is that,
[SPEAKER_01]: walking shore and and because some of these a lot of these lakes you're restricted you can't put a bone on them or you can't put a motor on them like and it's good like the you have great access to elite big fish yes from shore but is is that longer rod length the product of the fish and from shore the different needs are like tell me about that though it gets you further out there
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you're fishing the more smaller power weights like the 164 the 132 the 116 You have a longer rod so you have a more flex when you're whipping the right out there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Unlike some like just straight out they just want the hay foot and they're good at all that so You know that's what we I only carry the 76 and a foot
[SPEAKER_00]: okay typically you're standard everybody everybody has on everybody likes the 764 rods right right and it works really really good the performance on them though yeah the action on it everything is really really good on it and it pairs up really good with the baits with the spools whatever you want to throw at
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so how white are you typically going so it seems like most of these guys are running like a thousand stella although some run bigger than that right and then you run and braid to like a mono or floro leader like talk to me about that what's the average like I know you sell the line and this line is supposed to be very, very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've read lots of really good reviews and and just keep me honest, where's the best place for people to get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't have a website yet, but if you can reach me on Instagram, um, okay, it does do 95 custom rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlitos 395 and true chair clothing or somebody I saw was selling it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was going to say that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, through chair opening, uh, had it on his website.
[SPEAKER_00]: get bet.com, has it on their website?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's pretty much it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on getting my website up, hopefully this year, and that'll be another way to go ahead and purchase the braid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the braid actually helps you cast further.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's light rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is five pound braid, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like PE 0.4 or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so and you just do a four pound leader for all and you know, the the leaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really up to you of how far along you want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I mean, it's really it's a new way of fishing trout down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Bray was in that popular, I say, seven years back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, everybody was just fishing the regular motor off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can't remember they're being good braid that light, I mean, you know what I mean to me that's a relatively recent invention or Relatively recent that we're bringing it into this country, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Japanese have had it for BFS for a while, right, but like I don't I'm not sure 10 years ago, there wasn't a braid less than 10 pounds hardly you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there were some stuff that said that on the box
[SPEAKER_01]: it was it was not as fine as this stuff is right so obviously you spool up the rule with that and have you developed a knot you like for that connection to your four-pound flora leader I do the same thing will not okay yeah that's and you know that's all it's so funny that's such like a offshore big game knot in my head I don't know why I would never think to use that for this small stuff yeah and it works perfect I mean everybody has their own choice of knot but I mean that's yeah works for me
[SPEAKER_00]: You're also from my when I go out in the ocean for my two and a whole yellow top stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you I want to say this about these rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have built some eight foot nine foot spinning rods built them on fly rod blanks, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were they were fine after a fashion, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they work and they they do a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: But these eight foot blanks seven and half an eight foot blanks you're building on.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very different animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much is secret and how much we talk about, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's kind of a signature thing and you've been on the path, and now I guess if we can talk about this, you're having blanks made to your specs that you're going to be selling as your own.
[SPEAKER_01]: You finally got the blanks you wanted, because you had to tell us the story because the story Phoenix was kind of one of the only people making blanks specifically for this market.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they made some blanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody loved and they discontinued them, which I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: why that is they uh... may be the length of who knows i don't know the shipping has changed a lot but they're very popular like everybody love these things and that's and you've bought a bunch of them and you're still building on some of what you have left but now you've sort of sourced your own so like walk me through that whole process and talk to me about one of these what one of these eight foot rods is like from like an action in a power standpoint
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, well, yeah, you're right, when Phoenix was here in California, I mean, they were popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody wanted their Phoenix blank or free product.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we're sensitive moved and, you know, on a state.
[SPEAKER_00]: their customer service, the warranty, just kind of got a little bit sideways.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just kind of, you know, people, it was like a headache, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I transitioned, I started working.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I mean, it took me a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was already working on my, on my blanks, see me and when seen it's in the air ready.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was in, it wasn't that what David has probably wanted it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The action wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The,
[SPEAKER_00]: the backbone, the action, all that stuff wasn't really there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to go back with the pliers and they just really, you know, taking a series since I was, you know, I was a small shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually got to work with Brad Lumis.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were numerous sons and we were doing mechanical genius to keep all the machines running at Patriot Manufacturing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was fun working with him and we just couldn't dial in a blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't read out an eye, but I mean, I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just a big company.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just trying to come up on, you know, trying to bring on my own name and my own company.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I saw our source in all my stuff to, you know, overseas and, you know, it took me a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had specs already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had the ambassador of the blank to actually a paper and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my, my blanks are 76, the two piece, the fast action.
[SPEAKER_00]: but with a 10% moderate action up in the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you would have that little flex in that, that actually you want for that whole game of the mini jigs and drop shot, you know, that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what makes my blank really unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: It took a while to get these blanks out then on the power as it loads of.
[SPEAKER_00]: You feel that whole backbone just kind of help you out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it loads of really, really, really, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I've talked to several of these hardcore trout cats in California, and man, I mean, like some of those mini-jig guys, like they're like, here's what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm casting like this, I'm holding around like this, and I'm giggling like this while I'm real in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, they are as picky and discerning about the blank as anyone I've ever talked to or worked with, like, I mean, you guys are, these guys are dialed, like super, super dialed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe them,
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are credible to me when they tell me like it makes all the difference if you can get that jig this one right you're going to get smoked and if you can't you're not going to get anything It's like wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like a it's like a hole a whole Secret fishery nobody knows It's a treasure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and if the trout lead it there is part of why I'm so interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know my trout in Arkansas lead it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they will
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's a special formula.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, you'll be surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've kind of some feedback that I don't even want to say online.
[SPEAKER_00]: It counts with the territory.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, so yeah, it's, I mean, it's nothing to take a heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, just kind of go with it and move off.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, I mean, it's not, these blanks are not a for everybody, but I think a lot of people do like, I mean, I've sold so many of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: you sell a lot of them as someone who supplies you guys and stuff for them you sell a lot of them part of what got my attention right was like what is this guy doing like he's blowing up out there California and you know you're you're selling high-end stuff like you're probably
[SPEAKER_01]: I try not to blur the lines between being a rod builder on the podcast and work, but I'm pretty sure you buy more titanium AT guides from Fuji, North America than anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, talking about that, that's, I mean, one of the things that just jumped out of me was the Stella's, right, where I was like, oh my gosh, these cats are putting some money in their truck here, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I'd probably go surteate or surteate whatever, like I'm a little bit of a dial with guy for this stuff, and I love the reals, nothing wrong with Shimano, I love them too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But these people are serious, serious about their lines, serious about their knots, serious about their terminal and their rigging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me about the AT guides, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is not a, this was kind of the first raw guide, Fuji design specifically for ultra light applications, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you've never seen the AT guide and we'll put up a picture of it and put a link.
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead of having like a two-legged frame, it is a small ring, high-frame guide with just one leg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, single stem, yes, it's a very different look and just one stem, one foot, and meets at the bottom of the guide ring and then has a frame all the way around the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a, is that a performance thing or a tradition thing or a bit of both, they're like, you built a lot on those talk to me about that the guys and the guy drain well those guys is, um, it's what keeps the raw super light even the, yeah, but even the team even though the first one, the S I C's that he wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those are super light.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what makes the rod to so sensitive when you're casting with your jigging and you can feel that strike on that jig.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the train, I mean, the train, it's, you know, each review.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried building it with going from a 20 other way down to a 5, from like a 12, from a 2016, a 12 and 8.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a built more, more weight on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not okay, but it does make a difference when sure other people are like, okay, I can.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I started modifying the train and then I just went from an 8, from a 20 to a 12, 20, and those are my big, those are, and then I just went into my runners, which made it a lot lighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and it's interesting, and y'all, this is juice because if you've ever tried to set up the ATs, they set up different than other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a different sort of, they predate the new guide concept, although what you've done with it is use them for new guide concept, rapid reduction, so you use fewest number of reduction guides, get the line, quickly under control, and then small running guides all the way out for maximum casting distance, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it takes a little work to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite as prescribed as some of the KLHs and some of the KWs and some of these things where there's lots of information about there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you just heard the man say 2012-8.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, there's some insight there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and are you tweaking that first guide at all based on how big or small the reel is?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is everybody pretty much running in a 1000?
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's running in a 1000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody even running 500 years still good for the more money everybody runs the 1000.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised people don't run larger just for like sometimes maybe more casting distance in line capacity and a little less line twist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I often often run a 2500 when I'm for for two pound line for trout like just because I like some of what that real does that a smaller real doesn't do like line twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the 1000 we still put some backing when we put the parade on there and this the
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's plenty of line, and then, do you just use mono for backing, or what do you like for backing?
[SPEAKER_00]: For backing, yeah, anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could be, I mean, any mono is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just to put off the canoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: A few yards in the back to get it going, and then you go ahead and just put your brain on top of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, if the bills here in the fill is your school pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think anything over one thousand I think what we we do is a 2000, but it's just a slightly higher a bigger frame on the on the real that's a lot heavier real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for like the bank wish we normally use a 1000 I have a 2000 bank wish which is social mono.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's it's it's work perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps a light you know put too much everybody It's about light on your setups just to feel that sensitivity on on when you're casting on the bite on everything So I want thousand it's it's pretty much where it's at
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be clear, y'all, they're catching double digit trout.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't, this isn't like they're catching a bunch of little stalker trout, and so you don't need more than 1,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these cats are routinely catching big fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the truchus spoons guys were telling me about these paylikes they fish, and do they started showing me pictures?
[SPEAKER_01]: they're getting a double digits like on the regular man like it's pretty impressive i can't remember the name of that place it's a membership place uh... yeah and it was like this is like hardcore like it's hard to get in and it's expensive it's like it told me about i was like damn i never knew this is going on out there and now i'm jealous it's a really good way it's uh... it's out of the uh... believe it's somewhere in the mountains
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's a private lake, so everybody's doing trusses in, they are, oh, I'll go in.
[SPEAKER_00]: people that are members.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they go ahead and invite the buddies and everybody that everybody hangs out there for a job to excel for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, they stock some pretty some pretty good ones in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's there's some big fish in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there's other, like, just go for the day kind of pay lakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's some of those folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could remember some of the names that are PCS every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They used to come and bring these giant slab rainbows and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: What do y'all call that like the white rainbows like I guess it's like a melanistic rainbow, but like this kind of golden trout or what a lightning trout It's a lightning trout because there is actually a species of trout in California called the golden trout There's probably you trout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So y'all call them lightning trout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they seem pretty prevalent, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so that that lake is called Sanana river lakes So it's really powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, really powerful for their big fish.
[SPEAKER_00]: They okay, yeah, big fish and the regular every week during trout season
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, when I first started fishing that lake half the tank was nothing but over 15 pounds it was insane I mean, they come back in a lot of under stalking a back then it was insane I mean, I think my buddy's biggest one there is it's I think 22 and a half
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and look just because they're there don't assume they're easy because these likes do get pressure, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh, you don't just, yeah, you don't just show up in your kid catches a 20 pound fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you might.
[SPEAKER_01]: My kids were that lucky and they might, but, um, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to know what you're doing and people are very discerning with baits and colors and sense and weights and retrieve speeds and techniques, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for it is fair chase angling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not shooting fish in a barrel, but you do have the opportunity to catch some big fish, which is, to me, is I get excited about big fish on light tackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care where you are or what you're catching.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty exciting, stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, what's your personal best trout?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is a 16 and a half out of
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that was bad hammer dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that was it was very back in the days, but I always say you should stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they stalk you like that stuff, but it's not the same everything's changed then, but I mean, they still don't some nice big ones there, and you know, yeah, but nothing like before back then it was it was a lot different, but I've seen some pictures, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about the reduction training.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me a little bit about and obviously I can tell from your orders, you're a fan of the titanium, keeping it light, helps sensitivity, helps speed, helps casting distance, helps all everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: How small do you have you come to like to go, Carlitos on the running guides?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you going all the way down the fours or four and a half, you go fives, like what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't go down the fives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the tip top being the same size fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like that's kind of the sweet sabot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been messing around with a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the BFS rods lately and I'm not it feels like I hit the point of diminishing returns below five and they're so little material in these tiny little guides.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're plenty strong enough for the fishing but just the handling and the carry in them and the transport and stuff like four and a half and fours get relatively fragile compared to fives it seems like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you use a combination of kb's and kt's or are you just going straight to kt's for your use belly guides for some of your running guides or just kt's is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just the kt's the only time I go down to like a four and four or four or four and a half is when I'm building a iron feather because they're tip top it's about a think a second three and a half boys dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to order those tip tops from Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even stock him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I didn't know they meant I did not know Fuji made tippedops that small Yeah, yeah, like I had to walk into Matagi and be like I need a tippedop this size and the dude Works who's like Phoenix iron feather and I was like, yes, and he's like, okay I was like they've heard this story before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna have to explain myself at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the only thing I cracked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so small, like I need better reading glasses to glue that damn tip top on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe too rapid at the end because the blanket's so thin, it's just like, I feel like...
[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up going with a bobbin and easy thread and that, I seriously, because I was trying to use some zero, zero thread, like some real fine silk thread and just there's nothing to hold onto and you get your tile-flute covers half the rod boys.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I kept on wrapping on me, I was like, this is madness, I surrender.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome and so are you you're building these things so light one coat of finish to light coat to finish like it's it's one it's one coat only And like I mean sometimes I do double on the on where I put the decals Okay, yeah, yeah, or something and it just needs to you know get touched up, but as far as guys go, it's just one coat
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he'd do really pretty work, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's nothing I want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this maybe where we need to pull Carly in and let her have a, sorry, his wife is lovely and she's tons of fun in her name is Carlya.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I see guys at a PCS walking around wearing your hats and t-shirts all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the brand is Carlyt
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me about that like clearly you figured something out with the branding and with the getting people to rep the merch man like how did you you're very very successful in that regard like tell me more about that how did that get started and why do you think it's work so well what does the name came about I mean I've been fishing the eastern Sierra for very long time and it took me a lot of just kind of like I will talk to my wife I'm like well what should we
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, but I do want to put this to highway 395 that takes you out of the way up to magnet and zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I okay, I want to I want to still keep 395 on the name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, because they were weren't just name or caritos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everybody calls you caritos minus just put caritos put the 95 and obviously it's just because some rods.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, all right, so I kind of sat on her for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, all right, all of this just gave it a shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see what works.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I just, that's what I went with and it just stuck and had this lady, it was a good friend or my one of my cousins and she did, she does art and the graphic design, you know, and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told her, you know what, it just popped up in simple, you know, I want to simple logo and stuff like that and she's all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she said before for logos and that's the one
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, to my, my wife, oh, yeah, that was fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was the green carditos logo with the fish on it and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then ever since then, that's been the pretty much the logo of the company and, you know, that's the pretty much the one you see all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I see people walking around at PCS with it all the time and I always ask him Oh, are you want to car leak those customers and most of them say yes, but I've even talked to one boat guys like no not yet But I'm saving my money and I really like that Okay, yeah, I'd go out from much then buy a hat bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's also I do a lot of promotion stuff So I do give up okay When stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's working when people that don't even have any bought a rod yet Awareness.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's like pretty impressive, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't need to like certain derbyes and turnments and stuff like that and I'll don't make shirts and hats and coups and pins for the hats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm glad you brought up the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is another thing that was kind of foreign to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll have these tournaments and they can be day tournaments, they can be week in tournaments, they can be week longer month long tournaments, depending like there's all talking about some of these trout tournaments because cats people get serious about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, very serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen fights break out when we're going into the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, very serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, there's there's lakes that have, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Just the day tournament where you go that morning or the diving floor and go ahead and fish and then last way and say you just pay X amount of fish and that money goes in a pool and then whoever has the biggest fish or the most fish you're like fish yeah you know they'll do the full pay out so it's full pay out and then they have these blind bogies so they'll just pick up random weights and if you get close to that weight or you'll get that weight then you win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty cool, the local parks around here in San Bernardino.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do a month, like, pretty much dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So fish caught in that month.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll win some stuff with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have tournaments that last two days, like the one in Big Bear, there's one in Big Bear, I think in September, October this year, hosted Western other news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, I've heard of this when they advertise that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a two day tournament.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, you have your day tournaments, you have your monthly tournaments and you have your two day tournaments.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty, pretty good and it's pretty, it's pretty, pretty, you have pretty competitive and it's, I don't know why, you know, I know exactly how big the professional tournament bass fishing scene is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why trout tournaments never across my mind, but I don't really know if anybody else doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they do some stuff at like catfish paylakes in the central part of the country and stuff like that, but as far as I know, y'all don't only wants doing, I mean, there's one fly contest and there's some, you know, some competitive fly fishing events in some of the western states that I know about, but that's kind of cool, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be fun to show up and I mean, what's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go fishing anyway and then pay a little throw a 20 in the kitty and he knows what it is in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes it gets
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty pretty crowded and it's like the much pressure, but it's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just being out there and just having fun and, you know, you never know when you're won't cast away from catching a big face.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, yeah, always.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, always.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if somebody's like, man, apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another really unique aspect about what you do is you kind of have, you've tried a bunch of different handles and you've kind of settled on and almost kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: create an expectation for a lot of these rods of either a split or one piece Tennessee style handle, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you do a really beautiful job with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you you don't know what a Tennessee handle is, it originated as like a small mouth handle on, you know, originally from Tennessee and surrounding states.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Billy West Moreland was one of the guys who's a big
[SPEAKER_01]: small mouth guy and TV personality in all this, but it's essentially a relatively level section typically of cork with sliding rings on it, and so it allows you to sort of just slide the rings over the real seat, the real feet on both sides, the real foot on both sides, and kind of gives you some flexibility of where you position the real
[SPEAKER_01]: a little flexibility on balance and all that stuff, but you're also making some really cool carbon fiber ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're showing me a sweet purple one you did in your wife or I don't know that's a secret where that's supposed to be talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So talk to me about the evolution of your handles.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've tried a lot of stuff like how did you how did you arrive on the Tennessee handle and how do you decide whether you're going to do a one piece or a split?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that just someone's personal preference?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that buildling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like talk to me about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, display on the floor, it's a personal preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back then, we didn't, we didn't use the slipruins for our wheel.
[SPEAKER_00]: We actually put electricity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Electricity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Electricity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't put none of that until just, I mean, a couple years back and I saw this company doing it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody wanted that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was okay with how I used to do it back in the days, but everybody kind of goes with the flow of how it is now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so done, right, it's a very comfortable handle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all whether it works well with gloves, it works well bare-handed, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a very high utility handle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know why more people don't do them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why I have an inflate and I have an inflate on my full Tennessee handle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Builders use body 11 and a half inches on I use mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: My 13 inches about it is out more on my rods and it feels a lot better and it's Feel more of the sensitivity on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my my handles are really unique to just to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so but yeah, I mean, and now I know I have my own supplier for my carbon handles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really been awesome and he can make different color that this one that purple one I just made from a vibe Dude, that one's good looking man.
[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't show her that she'd be what and one of those And that's why I'm a wife saw the color that it can make me on my you know what send me this one as a as a as a sample and you know We'll see what all the colors we go from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but yeah, I mean it's it and then actually you have my buddy over at a
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he actually makes so cow trout cartel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he makes custom handles like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Custom Tennessee handle that one's kind of he's got some inlaze.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then he makes them in split grips as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you know, what's his name?
[SPEAKER_00]: George from a so cow trout cartel.
[SPEAKER_01]: George from SoCal, Trout Cartel, that's awesome man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to see those kind of making it come back Like that's and you guys are doing it very unique and independently You know, it's not like a bunch of Tennessee people or small mouth fish and in your trout legs Yeah, like that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, where are you getting your rings though?
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets some from
[SPEAKER_01]: He was at he was happy he used to make him I don't know if they're still making him any more Fudgy made him for a while and they still make him what's that the deliveries the reslipperings Yeah, well I get my supplier from my blanks actually get some for me
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get on by.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like two or three hundred sets of per box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are you are you going to sell those to when you start selling blanks or what's that the the slide rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the brings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't sell my blanks just yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sell them to just maybe less than a handful of people that are okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The friends of mine and they're all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just made me want one even more.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the price?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's working us.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this guy's a good businessman.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why he's got people wearing his hats that have any butter on your head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows if he says I can't have it, I'm going to want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll send you a lump, Bill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're too good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me, let me buy it, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys a lot of this California doesn't close the season for these lakes, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you guys can fish you around or is it is the summer pretty shut down or like what's the season like?
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, they're going into our summer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's closed down here at home for for trucking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you got a couple of lakes up in the mountains here locally, but we normally drive up to a magnet up in the eastern Sierra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All summer long.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you really want to create it up there, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: To get some trout, some good trout fishing up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And quite a night right now, these local lakes around here are stopping cabbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's just a water's too warm this time of the year yeah, yeah, so all right, but yeah, I mean, there is troughs fishing your around here, I mean, we're going to do the drive, yeah, you can fish your around in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was listening to you talk about the drive and all these places, I think about the price of gas and the traffic in California and I'm like, man, this guy's suffering for his craft right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we just came back from opener, it was the last Saturday of April, I think about the 25th, 26th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody was up there having fun and just fishing, it felt like home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like, you know, I was back home and everybody was there and so it was a fun one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I went back to back weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was good, you know, just catching a bunch of brookies and browns and rainbow so it was it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's awesome, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people want to find out more, how's the best way for them to get in touch with you and to look up your stuff, buy some line, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: For now, it's just my Instagram, I'm going to call you those 395 cups of rods, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Google, under Carito 335, all my information is there as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Carito CRLITOS 395, like the highway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize it was a highway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you if that was an area code or what.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a highway.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of cool, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it resonates with people, there's people in that corridor of that highway that, you know, they're drawn to you for your patronage.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun and you're just going up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun every year.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something different up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: New store or a new restaurant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've been going, we have my wife been going up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: or a little bit with 15 years now and it's awesome, it's good, but this year we're trying to make a move to different states and we'll see what happens, you know, especially my buddy, he's been invited me a lot to South Dakota to go fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to go up there and he doesn't do some really good fashion hunting in South Dakota.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're into that kind of thing,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there we go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you this because I'm always trying to trick, pick, trout people's brains, not trick, trout people, pick their brains.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I've kind of gotten back into this BFS thing, I have to confess, a Meribou gig is such a versatile, and I tie on anywhere from 124th of an ounce to 316ths of an ounce, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there are precious, precious few days.
[SPEAKER_01]: on the trout waters I fish, that are rivers that you can't catch them on a meriboo jig.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe some days you got to figure out the weight and you got to figure out the color, but you, and so I almost got like in a rut with that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so since I've gotten into BFS, I've tried to put that down a little bit and I've started fishing spoons, got I'm fish to spoon in 30 years, holy cow these things are effective, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've bought some and I'm really paying attention to some of these plastics and mini jigs,
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are doing obviously jerk baits can work and trout crank baits are plugs for lack of a better description Yes, I get access to a lot of those from Japan, you know, because I've visited over there like and all this stuff works Like how are you thinking about when you show up at the lake for the day for the opener or whatever like how are you thinking about where you start and do you have like a strategy of how you rotate through baits or colors to sort of figure out what they're wanting that day or
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the question makes sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, well, I normally always start with just natural colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here are the pants too on the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: How it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes it could be clear that you could be super clear and sometimes it can just be murky and dark, but that's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are other pants on the...
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, on what lake are going to as far as the water clearly, you know, that stuff and that's how you go based on my, that's why I go based on my color some what I'm not what are the, what are the, what are the first three things let's say it's clear what are the first three things you're going to try and only try either why didn't, why didn't yellow or or like a kind of like a milk room color, okay, you know, something that's like a light brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then kind of work myself around the other colors like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's to see what's fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what about if it's murky?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was murky then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go ahead and just drop like a, like a, a black and red.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or all black with some, some, some, some, you know, with some glitter on there and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, like maybe like a,
[SPEAKER_00]: like a small color, like a little dark shot color stuff with that so yeah that'll work.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is most of the forage in these lakes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it baitfish?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it insects?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like what are these trout feeding on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I know it varies by lake but like generally what's what's common?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, here at home, I mean, it's not like back in the zero where they feed on bugs, you know, when you're all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here is mainly they're down and you know, when I get down to them, you can just throw some part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, if now you just kind of just throw it through your jig and we truly slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of like down in the bottom kind of where they're at.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I seem to normally feed best in the bottom third.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless they're looking up, taking dry, you know, dry flies off the surface or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these colors, like the truca spoons guy does, it's like, that's such a weird color.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you use it and you're like, how that works great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, I would have never painted it that color, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, he actually brought the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he started doing it and that took off really, really good for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: the spoons wasn't as popular until he started painting them and bringing them out and oh my god it wasn't with me either until I started fishing a couple of years ago and I don't I can't believe I haven't picked one up like they are wicked effective and rivers or lakes like figuring out how to fish them like there's a bunch of stuff where we're just and I learned a lot of this from a guy named Van Harvo at BFS Trautler in some of the Japanese cats that I got to
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost do nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just casting across current when it settle in these seams and pockets and like wherever it wants to drift into like that's where it wants to be and it's like I don't have to do anything and the crowd or smash in this thing right it's like I've been I've been working too hard this whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what my wife likes to throw is I mean she'll be throwing spoons people much all day and she and her little boxes spoons it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember when she first threw her first spoon and she thought we're just talking when she's willing to And then and she feels that strife on that trial just rip it and she was that they're expression on her face Well, I I still picture it's electric man.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a little by yeah, it feels like okay cool And she kind of but she's trying to she started to kind of use many jigs here But her yeah, the thing is the spoons
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a tune and then and then once you figure out some cadences or things to do when they short strike and miss it, how to get them to come back, you know, like, it's very effective and especially like one of the things I like about it, like I'm letting on my fish go, you put a single, you know, spoon hook on there instead of a treble, barbless single spoon hook, you're not hurting the fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to time they come off in the net if you even bring them in the boat, you know, so it's a great way to be
[SPEAKER_01]: Rapidly into one fish after another, you know, you don't don't mean you have to run a treble It's for and some of them swim even better with that light single hook on there than with the treble You know, I mean really drop and wobble and slide.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome Okay, so what are the other so now now you introduce me to the truchus spoons guy like what other baits?
[SPEAKER_01]: What other bait companies should I be looking for and then I haven't heard of that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know about so we got Probably custom my baits
[SPEAKER_00]: He does really good bait some minerals.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it called?
[SPEAKER_00]: Drop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you spell it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Drop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trough a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, trout vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like a veteran.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's some base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trout vet custom bait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes right up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Many jigs out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I might have met this guy too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks familiar to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so wild, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's some really different looking soft plastics for the mini jigs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, a few years ago I would have looked at these and said they were crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have tried to talk throughout with Eaton, but now the way they're eating these spoon colors, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna have to buy some of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really, really good colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bait, everything's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite color?
[SPEAKER_00]: From him, I would say, I don't even know if it's been, I would have to go there for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's, I'm gonna say, yep, what color was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even remember right now, it was kind of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just let me just be clear what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a super effective color and he doesn't want anybody else to know about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you you could keep secrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just send it to me privately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's try it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guarantee I will not tell anyone in the state of California.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will not use it in the state of California.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right, folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to get him to spill the juice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one will be
[SPEAKER_00]: Custom, uh, what is it, uh, I'll get bent customs, get bent customs.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the king, they pop right up to customs with the Z.
[SPEAKER_01]: Customs with the Z.
[SPEAKER_01]: Customs with the K and his Zs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what a cool tiger trout he's got on the same page.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's part of my, my pro staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, an opener on his baits.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like high quality, high quality unique shaped plastic baits.
[SPEAKER_01]: with a lot of colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, in Arkansas, Missouri, we fish a thing called a trout magnet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his, these kind of, his many sluggos and things remind me of, in a way, a trout magnet, like I can absolutely see these things working, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got cool names, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't mention all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, on a family podcast, but I like them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one sixteenth's one thirty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has one one sixty four thunder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try to check some of that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all near to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really cool looking little tube bait.
[SPEAKER_01]: His minis Lego.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would work under the dog lights for speckle trout where I am for when they're on glass men as man.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the season up there for speckle trout?
[SPEAKER_01]: For speckle trout here, it's
[SPEAKER_01]: There are times of the year you're more likely to catch big trout, but for us red fish in Alabama on the Northern Gulf Coast speckle trout and red fish never close.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get harder to catch at some times, but actually in the dead of winter, they will get out of the Bayes and the golds and stuff and they'll move up into these rivers that feed into the Bayes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that nice?
[SPEAKER_01]: When you find a hole full of trout, it is, like, brother, it's every cast game on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually catching speckle trout on some of this, these truchus spoons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spoons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the BFS gear, anything that eats a minute will smoke a spoon, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm catching speckle trout off my duck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, yeah, but it makes sense like why wouldn't they work, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, um, but I just seen I never in a million years would have thought to throw a three and a half gram spoon for speckle trout, but they eat it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The blue silver has been the one so far that's been the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, we throw six gram spoons and they'll be slamming them out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get better casting distance with that for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, man, are we, I know we had talked at one point, you think we're going to maybe see an AV West Coast guys that are mastering rod building event in Alabama and August?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, unfortunately, I won't be able to make it this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bring Carla with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, bummer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And airfare is expensive these days, and it's not getting any better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we just have some, it's my mother-in-law more than anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's our babysitter, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a good son and law.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take care of your family.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But any one of these times you got to get down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do some ultra light fishing in the salt water dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All this stuff you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you fish this way, you just need a little bit heavier line and heavier leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot of some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Works off the beach like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything in the beach, Pompano, Jacks, Whiting, Trout, Redfish.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll smoke all this little stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like they're doing with the BFS stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still have to get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring the 2000 though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring the 2000.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can get you dumped on the 1000.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think my 2000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I still need to get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be the best blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm still building it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we spoke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't gone to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I owe you one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We spoke about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will straighten that out immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to when we done recording, we're going to get offline.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make sure I got the right one, which one you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll send it to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I apologize that I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't write all this stuff down immediately, I'm always so excited, I'm like, I won't forget I'll remember this and then I'm like, I can't remember who I talked to yesterday now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that is young as I used to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, man, thank you so much for coming on and sharing all your information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you guys want to learn more Google, go to Instagram and it's a testament.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on your Instagram yesterday, I think, looking, you got a ton of your posts or other people posts and antagon you, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're, uh, you're Carlito's 395 nation loves you, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's, it's really, really great support.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're, do, there's some people catching so big trout in California.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to come out there and try it like I need to schedule some extra days around PCS or something one of these times and I want to like I want you to tell me where we need to go and go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go catch them that be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when everyone to come down we get trip up to these some Sierra and we can hang out for a couple days back there and you know go to fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, we really fun for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do it have have rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got on the bus just come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have sure you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm weird like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fish to anybody else's rod in a long time, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Only if I get caught somewhere and I don't have anything with me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But your rods, I would actually fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would if be an honor to fish your rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would be sacrificing nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have seen your build quality.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, well, thank you so much for being on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost, I was gonna give you grief.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of you are listening, but if you watch on YouTube, this rod shop is so clean.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is literally the cleanest rod shop I've ever seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost don't believe you're a rod builder.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a fake AI background or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be so embarrassed for you to see my shop right now, like you'd be like, bro, this is a lot of control.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I got a lot of projects in the works at all times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've been the Steven and he gets mad because I keep all my guides here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, you keep all your things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can do what I've got cases in cases.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, dude, I could not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He showed me like one little smaller than 3,600 like Plano box and he's got, but again, you're building one type of rod and building it extremely well, so you have that luxury, but it does make me a little bit jealous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so no, I mean, I can just get up some upside from having to chase these tiny little tip top tubes around to go on these little blanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even even, even just wrapping it in, I mean, for the same reason that, you know, the connecting not sometimes it's just going to, it's going to keep hitting that small little guide on the tip top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we stay with five five and once right through it and back in this perfectly fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It works really different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, a lot of these are small hooks, like you don't need to be putting a bunch of heat on these fish, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're putting, guys, you're not using a rod this length can, can whip a fish quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not hurting fishing really some safely if you want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, plus it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what do we, let's not lie about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like really fun to catch them on light line, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you fun?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It amps it up for me for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, please tell your lovely wife, I said hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And compliment her and you on the world's cleanest rod building shop I've ever seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna bother me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go down to my shop and feel like such a pig now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, oh, no, you know, I moved my shop around just the last couple days because I got some more and more every Tory coming in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually working on two new blanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm just trying to make room for it and, you know, just, you know, I was time for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we were to have this podcast, maybe like what we could go, you would have seen it was a mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have felt so little more realistic to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have felt more like what mine feels like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, hey, good on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can keep it clean, do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you keep all your guys in one box to do it, like, go for it, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be you when I grow up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just a
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlitos, thank you so much for joining me and sharing all your information.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys go check out Carlitos 395 rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gave you some juice there on the guide train set up with these ATs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you can track him down if you have questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see pictures of his beautiful rods and his beautiful Tennessee handles on a bunch of the forums.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the great, just kind, generous, positive people in the community and I really appreciate you joining me, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for having me bell appreciated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I never thought I was going to be on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember at me, you are now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if it's some point in the future, you decided to sell blanks or something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are I?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll get you back on and we'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I'd buy some.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll send you something just let me know what size and color.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a different color.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a blue green red.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a white purple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you'd add me a chameleon, that's my very favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I have a, well, we'll work something out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do some blank swap in our guide swap or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to give them to me, but we'll figure something out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're very generous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we appreciate very much all of you tuning in.
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