[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a gay up name for a gay up podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is the Broadway Actress who is in the original cast of Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also the co-host of Tactful Pettiness, a gorgeous podcast with Peloton gay Cody Rigsby.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is also the writer director of the new short film called I'm going to kill you and you are hours away from going to Toronto for your film Fest premiere.
[SPEAKER_02]: GAS listeners, it's Andrew Goddam Shappelle, looking gorgeous in New York City.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew Shappelle, thank you for coming on this GAS pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for giving me a reason to shower today and let's celebrate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew, I'm getting straight into it because there is a very long list of questions and topics before we move over to Substack for the hornyest of questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question one, I've read on the interwebs, you obviously reside in New York, you're born and raised in Los Angeles, but you have a rescue dog named Patty Lubone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think you're asking for a hate crime?
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's important to note that while my dog does have a pond name from legendary actress Patty Lupone, she really only shares one commonality with her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is, she does not like to be filmed without her consent.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does not like to have photos taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does not like that videos taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: She consents the lens and she will turn away.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think you are?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think you are?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's kind of doggy she may get up on is a terrier mix.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got a teeny tiny little waste She's not a food dog at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does love to luxuriate Would I actually try to be the phone but like to luxuriate you know between shows or before performance at Carnegie Hall
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was full disclosure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was choosing between naming patty either patty lupone literally no pun or Tony Braxton sure Which now I said you albums ever and let's say that, but now my question goes to if patty lupone has a patty lupone Does Tony Braxton have a Tony other dog pun genome saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Barks didn't maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not come up with this pun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing Hamilton at the time and I was on for Thomas Jefferson.
[SPEAKER_00]: and we were doing room where it happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had floated to Lynn, you know, throughout getting the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I think I'm gonna name this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna name this and he goes, ah, he was like, let me think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm about to walk on as Thomas Jefferson of her like, I was, Alexander was on Washington's doorstep one day and Lynn comes up to me and goes, it's Lubon, Chappelle, it's Lubon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then you hop skipped, jumped onto the Hamilton Broadway stage, and said, There wasn't, there was another time.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, that exact same time right before I walk on stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't always know who was going to be in the audience, but Lynn came up to me and goes, Chappelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kim Kardashian, right when you walk out.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, I'm not really one of those actors that can look out in the audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of like living in the world on the stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I walk out and right in front of me is Kim Kardashian.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looking like a goddess.
[SPEAKER_02]: wealth wealth looking looking wealthy and not that's that's a beautiful thing I want I do crave wealth but not to the point where people can smell it on me I want to have sort of like oh wow your home is this big oh wow your t-shirt is that expensive Like I don't want it like I support well I don't support billionaires but I do support people that like can grow their wealth I just don't need to be that wealthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need 12 bedrooms, but
[SPEAKER_02]: that's not the point of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: The point of this podcast is that you're dropping Hamilton lore and it is such a gift to us early because it's been obviously year since you were in the original Broadway cast, but it's kind of a crazy, her historic movement to have been a part of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually on a road trip recently and I put on the Hamilton cast recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the first time in truly a while and it like felt like I was catching up with a middle school girl that we were like best friends again, but we hadn't seen each other in years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was so good to see her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever listen to the cast recording or are you over it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't listen to the cast recording, but I listen, I when I was growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, of course, as a child, always wanted to be on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was always the dream, always the goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to clean my room listening to Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Superstar, thoroughly modern millie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marily, we roll along.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the hits when you're cleaning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember, I remember the exact moment in my room, I was putting clothes in one of the drawers, listening to Thirally Modern Milley, and I put the most pure wish out into the universe that one day I would wanna sing on a cast recording.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's important to note that I worked on Broadway for 10 years before Hamilton came along and I never got to be on a pastor courting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was replacing, I was on tour, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me to be able to be on the... Oh, God, the biggest musical theater album of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every gay person who's listening to this, every straight-gurly ally, every queer, theater, phagotrini right now is having tears well up in their eyes to think about little Andrew cleaning his little room and then living all of our dreams of being in a little box studio box while everybody is belting.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gorgeous, songs, to Lidnauamurandas, emmul gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what's crazy is, I have another lore question about Hamilton, but I feel like since we are getting into Andrew's herstery, it's only fitting to ask you the famous podcast question.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let me do that Andrew Shappelle and ask, whose fault is it that you're gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Babe, who do we blame?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there are many people to blame, so I guess in terms of the, how am I going to tear this for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say in terms of the like attraction when I was just like, it was the original Baywatch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we talking Hasselhoff?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not talking actual David Hasselhoff, but we're talking about some other gentlemen that were on that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember taping Baywatch and keeping the VHS tape and then watching it like after my moment to sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like creating and putting it in and looking at the beautiful men on the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it was the slickheadness that got to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it was a short short short?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was the, the hairless muscular bodies, the little shorts, tent.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was, it was, that was the initial pull for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, can I have a quick interruption about hairlessness because that simultaneously drew me in, and also made me hate myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is your political opinion as you've grown older?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this probably should be a sub-start question, but who gives a fuke?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a body hair?
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you remained into a smooth king or into enjoying smoothness or have you felt as you've aged that the Baywatch smoothedness has only become a part of your desire?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, such as the Iraq and no, so I actually, I, I appreciate body here.
[SPEAKER_00]: My boyfriend has body hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just here now, shout out, um, I think the, the smoothness is just like something aesthetically, probably, just because I'm a kid from the 90s, I was taught to literally love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's still something when I see it out in the wild, like a perfectly groomed physique.
[SPEAKER_00]: to me is just like, oh, stunned.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's also something about the like, homo eroticism of Baywatch 2 that I think you are probably landing on, which is a group of men, and sure where there are women there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're all sort of fighting for a cause together, and you can only imagine the showers after they've run down the beach, sort of saving lives as it were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, there's so much to dig into, just with Baywatch for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did it, but that you said there's tears.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we go Baywatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is also a tears list?
[SPEAKER_00]: So then to speak to the, what I would like to call the ethereal nature of being gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The feeling, the feeling of being gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That, that, like, that girly glitter in the air, lens flare.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is, which is tassled.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is 100% Mariah Carey Rainbow Album.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember getting that album and having the book and I would lay on my band on my stomach with my legs behind me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would read along the lyrics while she sang and look at the pictures that the beautiful airbrush she invented airbrushing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember, because I grew up in California and my room, my bedroom, I had windows at the top of the room in some parts and then I had big windows on other sides.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember laying there listening to Rainbow.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the light was coming through the top window, and I just like looked up at the, the scarf, the light coming in, and I knew in that moment what it was to feel like a girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you did, and you always feel, don't you all also think that at that that moment, if I like you were chosen to be gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the light that came through that window as you flipped through that book, it's almost like that life chose you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had no choice in the matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I and I still don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you're will gay against your will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's my will.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the third was I have I had a gay uncle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I never knew like I always knew I was like him, but I didn't know how.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just like I was like, I know that I'm not like the rest of my family, but I do know I'm like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's the uncle's name?
[SPEAKER_00]: David.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uncle David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uncle David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the kids at school would call me gay, but I didn't know what it meant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, I don't know what, and I knew it was derogatory.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was just like, I don't, I just didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I still am this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't have the time, I'm not whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were calling me gay at school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I was like Uncle David, but I still didn't know how we were alike.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was young.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was probably like nine or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're at a dinner party.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had these big dinner parties at our house on Sundays.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my Uncle David is, I'm like him, loud and boy, stress and cracking jokes, you know, like a gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said something that sent the table in a glorious laughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then while they were still recovering from the laughter, he goes, and that's why I love being a gay man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would remember sitting there if we were shooting this, it would be literally, did you see it all these new money?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was the moment that I knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a spoon full of peas, the peas fall from the spoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the peas fell on the plate, I'm gay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is truly a beautiful visual and can we for a second thank Uncle David for being the icon that he is and for in a way inspiring the icon that is Andership.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a way, giving us the gorgeousness of all of the gay energy that you put into this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say though, my mind goes to Uncle David and then thinking about how you and Drew, how me, Eric, how we are now gay, Uncle Andrew, gay, Uncle Eric and how we are going to have our own nieces and nephews etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: who are going to say why am I like Uncle Andrew and that really
[SPEAKER_02]: But I had a nephew face-timey recently to show me him dancing, and he could grow up to be a completely hetero, you know, account.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in that moment, I felt so proud that he felt safe to face-timey to show me the dance, and I only pray that one of my now five nephews and one niece, one of them, I mean, one of them has to be gay, but I can't wait to find out which one.
[SPEAKER_02]: statistically one of the testically and also in this day and age, honey.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's such a beautiful story and I'm jealous that you had a gay uncle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uncle David still with us today.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is, he's still fab.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a lover of jewelry and Shirley Bassie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Uncle David, and I've never met him, and I again thank him for his service.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, since we do want to celebrate Anusha Pell's gayness, there's of course a huge piece of the puzzle here, which is your new film I'm going to kill you, which by the way is not only a queer erotic thriller, but it's also, is it a thriller?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me cut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's a thriller yeah it's a queer ironic thriller but it's also starring gay asked podcast favorite it's starring Mikey Grisafa it is starring Johnny Sibley it has starring Angus O'Brien Philip Asu James Cussati Molyer Philip Asu and James Cussati Molyer have not done the podcast yet but huge fans here so I just want to make sure to shout this out but I'm also going to ask you a gay ass journalist question which is if you're
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were forced to go to one yourself, where are you placing a geographically?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I think I would either place it where we shop this film, which was, you know, on the western coast of United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a, I am a lifelong connoisseur of Big Sur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've never been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love Big Sur.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I could, I think I could live in Big Sur.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we, while we did not film this movie in Big Sur, we filmed it in Malibu.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but emotionally, you got to be able to get your crew home at night, big story.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I had to run a big house for everybody and we didn't have the budget for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I'm looking at them now because I'm, I'm, I live in LA, but I'm, I'm relatively new to LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Still not smart about geography.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's giving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's just it's northern.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not far from Monterey.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is just south of San Jose and S. F. We love to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, that's smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: A West Western coastal gay Colony sounds divine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to pump springs tomorrow, which is sort of in its own way, a gay colony.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's remained that way for many years.
[SPEAKER_02]: and thank Fooking God.
[SPEAKER_02]: What has it been like, though, to work on projects as like an act trust, doing Broadway for the listeners who might not know in addition to Hamilton, Andrew's also been in And Juliet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Broadway, Mama Mia.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've done countless shows as a theater actor, but now you're sort of like,
[SPEAKER_02]: broadening your artistic scope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there any sort of like imposter syndrome or like you kind of seem to be a very confident king?
[SPEAKER_02]: How have you been able to be like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to write and direct my own goddamn short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so listen, this was my second short that I've written my first short.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote and I acted in it and I
[SPEAKER_00]: Gate, I handed it over to Terran Killam to direct, and you can see that short film now on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Fanatic, and it also, I don't know if you haven't seen it, it's also, we got Caroline Ray, also the star in it, which was awesome, huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Matt Cook, Matt Cook, who is, you just saw in the comeback, he's in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great film.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I follow the spirit, you know, when the spirit moves me to do something, I do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that, it can be as little as, I need to reach out to somebody and go to lunch, or it can be as big as, I need to raise X amount of dollars and make a film.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I made that first film when I was living in LA, and I was shooting a television show called Blind Spotting, that was created by Dobby Diggs and Rafael Casal,
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had finished shooting season one and we were waiting to shoot season two and I am I'm a New Yorker at heart and I just was so uncomfortable waiting I was just like I have to wait how many months for the thing to come out and then I have to wait so months for us to shoot it and then wait for that to come out and so it encouraged me to make my own thing so I wrote that film.
[SPEAKER_00]: financed it, shot it, it did really well, did had a beautiful festival run.
[SPEAKER_00]: And during that time, I was playing volleyball on the beach with a group of gays in Venice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was this one day that Mikey Grasseffa showed up because he was in town shooting chipendales.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mikey and I had known of each other for a long time, because we're both Broadway girls, but we'd never met.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was newly single and I was like, I'm trying to talk to Mikey because he is cute cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but I'm a Scorpio so I don't go to anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: you want to come to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: We kept through the day our blankets kept moving closer to closer together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And upon the first hello, I realized she was a girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're kicking.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're drinking our white claws.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he had on a this cute like jacomus, like pink, like safari cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were kicking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And throughout the day,
[SPEAKER_00]: These gays, who I'd probably knew for three weeks, he just was his first day.
[SPEAKER_00]: The gays are kind of inscessantly being like, has anybody heard from Kyle?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it's also like, still kind of COVID times.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was the only thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bali, Bali, or look for Kyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, volleyball, but Kyle was supposed to report to volleyball and no one could get a hold of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for hours, people are like, well, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I texted him and he didn't text me back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, did you hear from him?
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, it was going on and on and on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was so sick of hearing that Kyle was missing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I turned to Mikey who I just met.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said,
[SPEAKER_00]: What if you and I had killed Kyle and he's in the trunk of my car right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: And his eyes widened and he goes, I'm obsessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said I'm gonna write it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my team was my first yes for this film and I wrote it and I just kind of kept him in the loop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I didn't even I had never even seen him act on screen before but I just knew his energy was right for it
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is incredible in the film.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't fucking wait to see this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know what I really want to like, underline here is how beautiful to take a moment of people going Kyle, where's Kyle?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then literally say to a gay guy you just met, I'm gonna write that and then to actually write it and then to actually now have it in a festival and multiple festivals is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to be more of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to be more of Anderson Pal, of like, of like, allowing a moment of an inspiration and life While playing gay volleyball to them and spy us to create the thing we want to create and then fucking put our Stilettos in the sand stand on two feet and then make the goddamn thing that is in Sparish
[SPEAKER_00]: The quote Johnny Simbley, he always tells me go, Andrew, you're a doer.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, you get shit done.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was my second yes, because I was like, hey, I wrote this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's any good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I send it to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I send it to him and he goes, uh, this is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I see this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the time, I still wasn't directing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had tapped River Gio.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know River Gio.
[SPEAKER_00]: River's the writer, director of Pony Boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, if you haven't
[SPEAKER_02]: Pony Boy's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, River and I were at in college together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know them very well, but we were in class together and to see their eyes has been fucking incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I co-sign out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had originally wanted River to direct it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I was taking my first film to the festivals and I was telling people about this other film that by the way, I never really intended on making.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very unlike me and my style.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was just talking about it because you got to
[SPEAKER_00]: And other filmmakers were like, uh, I think you should direct this, the vision is so specific because it's also dystopian.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thousands of years from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and so it was a filmmaker, a gay filmmaker in Canada, named Simon, who I'm seeing next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, he's the one, he, he drilled down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, we were in Palm Springs at a festival.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was,
[SPEAKER_00]: show for him around, because he'd have a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I pulled up to his hotel and he was like, hey, I just want to be tell you very seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you should direct this film.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was that was ultimately what led me to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am generally confident in my life and pretty much every aspect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like anything when you do it for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had so much amazing support, so many great inventors, and I could not have done it without the amazing team that I was able to assemble to support me in my direct audio debut.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the strength I think of a director, of a creator is a having the confidence to take a sort of leap and do something that you are not 100% clear on how it's going to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: either delegate or lean on the support of people around you and it sounds like you are good at doing the ask and also when you watch this trailer it is part of the reason I wanted to have you on the podcast is I've been a fan of your since Hamilton but to see this fucking movie looks really good I mean the the way that it shot that you talking like the coastal elements andre was understanding it looks fucking phenomenal um
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just so cool to see the team that you've assembled, and again, just having the confidence to create something at such a high level, I think, is something that I'm really, you know, aspiring to do as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really, I mixed that for all the listeners, like, continue to follow the film.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that you also get into Providence Towns Film Festival, which is huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: When do you think we will get a chance to either see it or,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have to do our festival run.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if listen, if you got any Canadian listeners that live in Toronto, we will be at inside out on May 28th at 930 at TIFFLIGHT BOX, then we're going to be at Ptown Film Festival on June 11th at 4pm and June 13th at 6pm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another first of all after that, but it hasn't been announced yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a festival you could attend if you wanted to.
[SPEAKER_00]: You Eric.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fock?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I will be there, and I cannot wait for that reveal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that I'm going to link all of the film stuff in the description for people to follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I will say now is that we want to continue to chat for another couple of minutes before we go to Substack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just remember a hot second do a few quickfire questions before we move over to my hornyest of questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm a theater fact myself, I want to get your vibe check on shows like Mamma Mia beaches.
[SPEAKER_02]: The shows who are now doing touring productions that are playing Broadway and they're going back on tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a sort of gut reaction to that business model
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, listen, from what perspective, because I think from the actor's perspective, I'm like, wow, these actors are getting their Broadway credit for free and I'm like, good for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is listen, this isn't the first time this happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they did this with hair, they did this with jekyll and hide.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that has happened many times, or they'll...
[SPEAKER_00]: take the tour out and they'll bring it through and they'll play Broadway for six weeks and it's a it's a financially it's a crazy business and people are trying to structure it however they can to stay alive um yeah mama Mia I will say when it came back to Broadway it was a great full circle moment for me because for the first time for the first time in my career
[SPEAKER_00]: All three Broadway shows that I performed in were performing at the same time in the same theater that I performed in.
[SPEAKER_00]: because when I did mama Mia at the winter garden, Hamilton and Julia didn't exist, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I left mama Mia, it moved to the broadcast theater, so it wasn't at the winter garden anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I go on, I do Hamilton, I do Angelia, but then mama Mia wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a very, it was a selfish moment for me, but it's all about me, because it's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did always set that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about me, but me is Anderson Powell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, no, I, I, I love that take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also, I also seem to get into the finances of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: what's so cool about the Hamilton lore is that it's very what a chorus line how the original cast members were able to get sort of a piece of the producer pot for having built that show with Lin and with the creative team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever struggle to tell yourself you deserve a $20 smoothie but then you think to yourself I'm getting a Hamilton check that'll pay for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, and that's all the comments I need.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we are going to ask you the final podcast question before we move on to my horny questions because you have a very hot boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a lot of gorgeous takes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to be asking you about Broadway crushes about sludgery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Backstage, I'm gonna ask you a personal question that came up last night where I ran into an only fans gay that I adore that I Wondering if I did a faux-pa I won't your take on that Oh, I'm gonna talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe we'll I can't wait to find out But before we do that let's go to my final podcast question on this main feed, which is Andershapel if the world was ending You could only save one character actress who would?
[SPEAKER_02]: You saved
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, this is such a hard question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'll just tell you my initial reaction to the question is to say, to scream, Glenn Close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I think I have to say, Nisi Nash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Nisi Nash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who bought this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying Nisi Nash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gay is hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: gay as hell and shout out because because what other requirements have to be over 40 and they have to have worn a wig wig once and something exactly exactly and she wears wigs all the time even if she's not acting and you know what and you see that also looks so good and um uh is it all as well?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nissy nash looks good in literally everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nissy nash all's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: All's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, cancel me.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, she looks good in everything, but I didn't watch all's fair because I didn't want to, but I Have every clip I saw she just D powered
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, Neeseen Ash to me is just the beginning, middle and end, funny story, uh, when I was living out in LA, a friend of mine took me to some fancy dinner at Chetoma and, you know, you never know who you're going to meet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so before the fancy dinner, there was a cocktail reception around the pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get there and I literally see Neeseen Ash.
[SPEAKER_00]: And please keep in mind, I don't get star struck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, there's two people that made me star struck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marryl Streep and Oprah Winfrey.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew you were going to be Oprah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had my moment with those women.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was able to keep it cool because they had just seen me in Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like, it was a little bit more like, oh, you just saw me do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have something to talk about, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Nisi Nash did not see me in Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does not know who I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was there trying to enjoy her cocktail party.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all she saw was you housing a shrimp cocktail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you do it too for a check.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, so I see Nisi and I find out my friend who brought me just filmed a movie with her and so she was like, oh, do you want to meet her?
[SPEAKER_00]: So she takes me over and you know, I do think I have a charm about me and usually goes pretty well and I just said, Nisi, you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: that girl to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've loved you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, she did she did the thing, you know, very cordial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you, honey, we should we take a picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, because the kind of the best thing you can do to end an interaction with me at this point with the fan is get them to get a picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll leave you alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there happened to be a photographer there for the event.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they took a beautiful picture of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank
[SPEAKER_00]: And we take the picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, oh, it was so nice to meet you, go on my own way.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to sit down for the dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have sat inies in ash directly in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I swear to God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see her, I see her, finding her seat, and she sees her hand, and then she looks up at me, and I see her Diane's eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I see her physically become ill. She was like, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: The me where I have it across from this queen forgotten how long the dinners you know the dinners they last forever Oh, and there's a speech and oh, there's a goody bag and there's a presentation
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she did the same thing I would do in her situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just committed to the bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: She sat down and she started figuring out how we were gonna have this dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm no stranger to a conversation myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I was able to like keep it cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep it cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was so she was fearing that there was a fan sitting across from her who was going to fan the whole ceremony the whole meal the whole newy and yet you would you say you right at the ship would you say that you convinced her that you are that you could kind of see each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she told me the story about how she met her wife and the first time they got together and everything and how it all came about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you live the dream that we talk about here, which is having the key key with the character actress that we adore.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lived it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, I'm sure Glenn closes great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to work in 101 donations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, most importantly, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's best to get into Gaze scenario.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I mean, in you would know as well as more than us about end of days as you are writing the futuristic end of Daisy's gaze, erotic ease, sort of a ease.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, a stunning answer and to have an actual story where you sit across from the character actress you save.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ten, ten, ten lacrosse, the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your Schemell, you are truly a gorgeous guest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's clear why the podcast world is lucky to have you.
[SPEAKER_02]: People should be listening to Tackle Pettingness as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure to plug that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will you tell the listeners where you're following?
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is Tackle Pettingness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will you tell these listeners where to follow you so that they can enjoy your brilliance before we head over to Substuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so listen, my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: People give me so much shit about my Instagram handle, but I'm not changing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: a chap hawk people say, what is your name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this has been my name since AOL Instant Messenger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm needed for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It literally is a for Andrew chap for Chappelle and hawk because my Native American tribal name is hawk run.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people who are wanting you to change your name are actually denying you your native heritage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, everybody, I hope you're listening and learning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go follow a top hawk, but let's get into some personal questions for you then.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a gorgeous man named Joseph.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long have you been with him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Over two years, two years and like a handful of months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Mazzle talk on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you meet this man?
[SPEAKER_02]: We met on hinge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, listeners hinge can work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was the first date?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is a good story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was doing Angelia at the time, so this is the way it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was living in LA, mine in my own business.
[SPEAKER_00]: The writer's strike happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: My show gets canceled.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go to a visa to like figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't know where I'm gonna get my help insurance from.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna lose my sag.
[SPEAKER_00]: An audition comes in while I'm in a visa for Angelia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I end up booking it and having to move to New York like overnight.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I get to New York, I made this decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm ready to engage in a relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my relationship had ended, my previous relationship had ended maybe two or three years prior.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I'm ready to like, thoughtfully engage with somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I got to New York, I was dating, like it was my second job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm gonna meet this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna meet this guy and they were all in hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I met so many great guys and I was at this point where, I don't know if you're like this in dating, but if you're dating like two or three people and they all feel great, but they're not the one and you're trying to negotiate with yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the sex with this one is great, but I can't bring him to this event or he doesn't get along with this group of friends or he's broke or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was trying to negotiate with myself about one of these guys, and that I had, a date, well, I had just talking to Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I only have one night off a week at Angelia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have Mondays off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I had a rule on the dating app.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would only talk to you for one week.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we talk for over a week and don't meet, we don't meet, like it's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we were getting to the weak mark with him and I could tell he was really cute and I said, listen, I've got this rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you actually want to go on a date with me, we have to do it this week and the only night I have off his Monday because I'm doing this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: The twist is on Monday night, I have tickets to see my friends, one man show, a show that he wrote about dating a serial
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't extra ticket, do you want to come with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, well, it sounds like it would make for interesting conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes to the show, but I see him for two seconds because we're about to go inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could tell he was like stacked and like juicy and gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So during the show I'm like trying to take a peek like without turning my head I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The biceps look really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like the thighs are really hitting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I couldn't really see his face And he had set up the caveat Okay, well, I don't think I can hang out after the show because I have to work in the morning and he was like, but let's see So I was like, oh man, if he doesn't like me, he's gonna go home
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I couldn't do my usual date stick with him because that was how to show in midtown.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I couldn't be like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, how were you feeling about playing pickle ball?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was cleaning out.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were like, Andrew, I was like, hey, girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you know, beating myself, go figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show ends.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going down the stairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, so you have to get to work in the morning and he turns his backpack on, he turns and goes, actually, I'm kind of hungry.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we went and had food and then the rest is her story and now we live together oh my god and you've got a gorgeous bookshelf behind you with a stairwell yes yes we have a beautiful roof roof guard and he found this place for us it's he thought I was I'm feel for you and you know what to be your queen yourself and then for him to say let's get food honey he fell for the real
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[SPEAKER_00]: So picture it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing Mamma Mia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I come out of the stage door and for the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson, Rosso, Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer, and
[SPEAKER_02]: more.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Horny time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.