[SPEAKER_01]: broadcasting live from polyester studios.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's rehash, takes the United Kingdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's on the background?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of like a London reference that's like, you know, I want to be like a movie and like,
[SPEAKER_00]: one of the Olsen twins or something would be like, or both of them, they might be an England and it would, they'd be like, London, okay, it's got all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to touch down in London town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so basically we're together.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time we were, no, no, no, this is actually such a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: We recorded the last episode of our last season together.
[SPEAKER_01]: We made such a fucking big deal of being together, no one cares and no one wants to see us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I think about the social media, but we're together again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I came to the UK and Ireland to visit Hannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What have we been doing Hannah?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it kind of felt like when you're bringing your partner back home to meet your family, except my partner is actually my long-distance platonic soulmate, my yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But once again, Hannah's family thinks that we're dating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone thinks we're dating, secretly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of like an ancestral tour of Hannah's homeland slash I have some family also in Ireland and I was visiting them as well and it was my year's first time and she saw sheep which was major for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She tried tatas major.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really cared about the sheep and everyone laughed at me because Hannah told everyone that all I wanted to see was sheep and it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I did just want to see sheep and I felt very fulfilled.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told her, you see she from the bus and boy did we ever, so many.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so basically we went to Dublin and then we took a bus to Limerick and then we took another bus to Galway.
[SPEAKER_01]: We shared it and we did what we were calling a hike which is certainly just a walk up a hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you happen to live in the Wicklow, Dublin area, would you say that the gray stones to break walk is a hike because I think doing it in my little Mary Jane's, it felt like a hike.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are calling it a walk probably for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because Hike is kind of intimidating and you know you don't want to scare people away with such an extreme label But I would say they were rocks and sometimes I had to be like, oh no, is my foot gonna get on this rock and not felt like a Hike to me Cameron Renee, Miss PCTBaddy, can you tell us if you happened to listen to this podcast which you definitely don't can you please tell us if what we did was a hike or a walk
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, she should listen to it because she is so many hours to fill while she's hiking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to sometimes think about Cameron and I'm like Cameron and I right now as we speak is probably walking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for those who don't know, Cameron Renee is the only fan's creator slash PCT hyper is a bit crust trail for those of you who do not know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, probably infiltrating many people's Instagram reels for you pages because she's hiking from Mexico to Canada alone dressed all in pink.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love her.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into her more and also I'm making a video about her this month, so we cannot disclose too much, but we are going to mention her a little bit in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: She will come up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we are currently at the polyester studios having the conveys setup of our lives recording on a couch, Gina and Ioni of polyester were lovely enough because we basically we're in London.
[SPEAKER_01]: We was spending the whole week in London.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have been drinking like probably every night for two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're disgusting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like like I feel sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been treating our bodies like big dumpsters like it's like we and we keep sitting outside at every bar, which means that we've just been smoking cigarettes also for like three hours straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's just a little bit like we're feeling haggard and then at the end of this week, I'm about to leave in a couple days.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're very sad about it, but we realized that we didn't have any audio equipment and we needed to record this podcast episode before Monday because our lovely patrons pay to have early access to our episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably the closest to a published date that we've ever done so like you guys are getting the real deal right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it says live.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like this is like real time basically we could we could comment on current events and we would probably have like an accurate depiction of the state of the current event.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I can tell you what phase the moon is in the straight of our moves opened or closed yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're so happy to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been really lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been very emotional.
[SPEAKER_01]: This entire trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very emotional.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had like multiple nights of mild crying at each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like we were sleeping the same bed for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like very just like we're so codependent now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to do anything alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also haven't walked around London like by myself really.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been on like a lobotomy green.
[SPEAKER_01]: This entire trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have not had a single thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to like, lead my year around the streets of London, like she's my daughter, which is fun for me, but also I can imagine very disorienting as someone who's never stepped foot in the city before.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know what I'm thinking, I don't have any thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she likes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No thoughts, just vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: just vibes my friend i went to lunch with i have a few friends here as well i have a few friends and my friend was like what do you want to order for lunch and i was like literally order the lot because i have no idea how to even read this menu i don't know how to read anymore i don't know how to do anything i have had a lobotomy i've had a hand lobotomy
[SPEAKER_01]: Hennabada me, since you like it when I'm in control of your brain, and so we're Apple Yeser Studios, if we can describe the environment, it's like a gorgeous loft space with a sunken living room that has a massive beautiful plush pink couch, literally a conversation pit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a conversation pit, yeah, yeah, and they have like art all over the walls, like like a it's kind of like co-log style.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm trying to think of what I think about British people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't ask but I'm thinking you know I want to hear your opinions I've been like having over my year and a half in London I've been like realizing more and more the kind of small cultural nuances and differences between North American
[SPEAKER_00]: and brits and then also like how Canada specifically plays into that because Canada is like sort of half way between Americans and brits like Canadians are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very curious is like a first-time person touching down in London town what your but your thoughts are when British people
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to know what your observations are, but I mean, I've just felt pretty, like, I don't like to be in a place where everyone thinks some American and they don't like Americans, because I am Canadian.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel a little overwhelmed by that that social fear, I guess, a little aware of myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have actually felt like, since living in the States, I've gotten louder.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so whenever we're at a pub, I feel like I'm being allowed to somehow, and I don't think I'm not allowed of a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are always yelling at me to speak up, but for some reason here, I felt very loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that might be like, you're aware of it, so you think you're being allowed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've not like personally observed you being particularly louder than anybody else in the vicinity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like loud people.
[SPEAKER_00]: As for people thinking you're American, this is why you start to have to adopt like a slightly like vaguely British affect because then it just sounds like you went to international school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my friend, Josie, she had a Josie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's listening, but just for the best, but when I met her, she went to English boarding school, which is Canadian and so she has this gorgeous like transatlantic accent, but people will make it over like she's faking it like all of first year and I was like that is a genuine accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just transatlantic the fuck down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like sometimes people talk a little different and honestly at this day and age, we should be accepting of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like when everyone on YouTube yells at me for saying the word figure, like figure instead of figure, I just think sometimes we have different dialogues.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when people point out the fact that I say us instead of us, I don't know why I do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know where it's not a dialogue thing, but it could be, and so maybe before you make assumptions, you should think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the differences between Brits and Americans that you've like list them all for rapid fire around like Brits and us or Canadians and Americans in the humor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel sometimes humorless or like earnest but then also when I'm dry people don't seem to get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I think I can be quite dry and like it's not landing so I don't know that's a funny thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in our friends and Toronto definitely are quite dry.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're driving everyone in Canada when they're making a show.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, let you know a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they put on a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm being driving, but I'm also putting on a bit of a... Every single bit, yeah, they do a bit, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here, people will just say things flat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're kind of left wondering, wait, does this person hate me?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell someone's insulting you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think often they are, but like, not in a real way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if to really get the skin to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm so sensitive, like, I have the thin skin ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got a, you got a tough enough of the English.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tough enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to be in this town?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also going to get told I'm direct, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, miss, that's probably five times in the strip and every time I feel like what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm going to do a direct here.
[SPEAKER_00]: A direct person on earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like it's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm quite British, maybe, in some of my behaviors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Waspy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, here, though, I feel really North American.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot what Canadians were like and then being here with Hannah like she says sorry if someone looked at her Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even like Lance's in her direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but even Canadians say I apologize too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Like I've been like so I was literally about to say sorry I think that's like more of like a pathological thing
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, something I noticed in the U.S. when I'm like, I enter a doorframe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone else enters her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, oh, sorry, every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like without fail, and then I've noticed other people like other Canadians doing it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, we all go and other Canadians, listen up.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I need to tell you is it's very charming, but also, you don't need to say sorry to whoever that person is, because sometimes they suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when it was nice and what you observed in Ireland is that people do this similarly but it's Irish people are so cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like, oops, sorry they're like, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we were at the car boot today and I nearly started crying and I had to keep walking to different stalls when my, you know, I mean, like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm going to stop it and pretend I'm looking at a T-shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But who knows, maybe we'll be in the same place one day again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with that, oh, I'm Maya.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Hannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is rehash, a podcast about the social media phenomenon that strike a nerve in our culture only to be quickly forgotten.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we think are due for a revisiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This season is part two of a loose, no pun intended.
[SPEAKER_01]: History of Sex on the Internet, the symbiosis of our two most basic instincts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Innovation.
[SPEAKER_01]: and getting off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, this season has been pretty heavy on the very strange and recent history of sex on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But mostly as it applies to like male spaces, like looks maxers and gooners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today though, we'd look at a strange sexual space which at first glance looks like it would be dominated by women, only on the creator side of things, but would have like mostly a male audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Considering it's like extreme reliance on the male gaze,
[SPEAKER_01]: female audience as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the Bob House.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Bob House is another iteration of the TikTok House that became prominent in 2020.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how would you describe a TikTok House to like a caveman?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think originally they were mostly in probably like the LA area.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I feel like they're all in like Florida or Arizona or something and it's like, you know, a large house full of TikTok creators or influencers who collaborate together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you think about it, like, we lived in a content house when we were roommates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every house, that was something funny, but yeah, I guess it makes sense like, yeah, you're like working together, collaborating together, kind of streamlined that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if your life is like, I mean, in the TikTok sounds like lifestyle related content makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the house that nobody wanted?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was such a good tip.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like all of these like old tick tockers during the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like more old, you know, like rich Caroline and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Caroline Rich, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which Caroline?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but her name is Caroline Rich.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's her real name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things that she started like a she was like a YouTuber before a TikTok her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well she wasn't that maybe I'm wrong No, I don't know I don't remember any of the other people were but there was like a house and they were doing that Anyways, this is to say that's what a TikTok content houses
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Bob House, Bob apparently standing for a baddie on point, is one of these TikTok houses that distinguishes itself for the simple reasons that it's made up exclusively of women, and particularly women with extremely popular only fans accounts.
[SPEAKER_01]: the ball pose has had a lot of turnover in the past year or so but it was founded in 2024 by only fans creators Sophie Rain and I use just Sophie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna make cousin because you're hammering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not I use just Sophie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not a hand that's Sophie.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, well, I mean, that's my maiden name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you just Sophie with a Y?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and so I was found out by them and originally they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sophie with a Y is so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like, all the name were pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Softly.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the names are kind of like two first names.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, but it originally consists of a women in total, rain and Sophie, summer iris, Alina Rose, Joy-May, and Eva Reese, Julia Filippo, and Camilla, and...
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe she's Brazilian, so I think it's Raoju, or RaoGo, if not, if she, yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please correct me, anyone from Brazil, please help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, all of whom skewed young between the ages of 19 and 24.
[SPEAKER_01]: The grillies all live in this mansion in Miami, so you got to hang out with your right, Florida, and make videos on TikTok that I guess kind of operate as front of house shows for their respective only fans accounts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna show you a couple of videos and you can tell the listeners what you see.
[SPEAKER_00]: These girls really do look like 15.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're wearing really form putting pajamas and like one pieces and slippers and they're in a weird, all-white kind of Roman style like 4A.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess with a hideous chandelier coming from the sky and oh my god one of them's wearing jiggings.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm as crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look like girls who would be at the Duffer Mall.
[UNKNOWN]: They do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look like teenagers after school at the Duffer Mall.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're wearing leggings on the sweats and they're doing dances in this really scary foyer that kind of looks like what I think limbo is going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to ask you what you thought of the last things, but you pretty much let us know from that description.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know what kind of things are all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'm glad you called on to that because I do think just as a tangent we need to talk about this like content creator, condo aesthetic, it's like this is like probably by far one of the worst I've seen, and like do they actually live here because do we get to see any rooms that aren't the pointy?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I watched the Louisa Rowling Man as Spirit Donkey Medry recently, which actually factors kind of heavily into this episode, but it was legit, like all I could think of while watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's just this Miami content aesthetic, which is definitely also prevalent in Toronto, because I have a theory that Toronto is the Miami of the North.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is like, I don't know, money that was made so quickly, you have time to buy like an entirely new home, but you don't have like the time-taste or attention span to actually decorate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like these like really sparse, cold, sterile, like hyper, quote-unquote luxury environments, that just look so fucking like horrible to live in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like something creepy about them almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, new builds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate new builds.
[SPEAKER_01]: New build the other all new build, but it'll be like new build mansion like it'll be a mansion with landlord floors like those great Laminate floors like it'll be that and money can't buy class or taste
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's kind of curious to know why Miami is specifically such a content hub right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just kind of like, I guess it's like cheaper LA because it's also warm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is like the kind of place that's aspirational to the worst types of people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess also in a sense like Los Angeles is where you go when you want to make it in show business.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like when you're kind of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: don't need to be geographically tied to an industry like you would in Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not genuine actual like infrastructure you need to like anchor yourself too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess if you're looking for a warmer climate, it does make more sense of being Miami.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously influencers have infiltrated Hollywood, but I think that like
[SPEAKER_00]: Condent creators of the content house ilk probably still aren't really like fully accepted in Los Angeles either Maybe it's kind of like you know you've got like I don't know everyone says that LA is like
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true, but maybe, okay, I'm thinking about like a high school cafeteria LA that's where the kind of popular kids and then also the one of the popular kids are and then maybe Miami is where like the kids that like do go to parties, but like no one's really had a conversation with before, but there's like vaping outside of school
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was thinking kind of like that concept of like Miami hot Which is like these people these types of creators are so like aesthetically based Like they're all like super buffly clovey killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a bit more to be like these
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it's like, nightclubs, like, clodding, seeing... Yeah, like nightclubs, seeing, but the, well, are they clodding and we'll discuss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're always asking whether the kids are clodding, because we really care.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, anyways, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The girlies can be found shaking their asses, doing dance challenges recording story times, engaging into a lot of fake beef.
[SPEAKER_01]: What have you for their TikTok audience?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, did the Bob House girlies?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bob House girlies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, is it like clear that the beef is fake?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not to their young audiences.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, who we will discuss.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bob House girlies are turning out a ton of TikTok content on top of their only fans content.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we discovered in our only fans episode from the last sex on the internet season, only fans is kind of like a fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fuck ton of work because it relies on a very intense amount of pair of social intimacy between creators and subscribers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what the Bob host girls do is outsourced their labor, for TikTok girls do like clip farming, like Clipicular does, where like 1,000 randoms from all over the world will post snippets of the girls live streams onto their channels, and then like make, apparently it's like $30 per 100k views, and They've been weirdly transparent about the fact that they've been
[SPEAKER_01]: Also pay messengers to hold conversations with subscribers on their behalf, while just training them in their voices.
[SPEAKER_01]: So V-Rain literally was like, they truly care about my image, and I've just found really awesome people to surround myself with, because it really does take a village.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, okay, I was speaking to someone recently who's job worked in PR for a publisher and her job was to basically run social media in the voice of a famous children's cartoon and it's kind of like, like, hot kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess like perhaps the only fans,
[SPEAKER_00]: creators occupy a similar space of you were an image like you were like a friend you were a character like phone sex operator basically but I think if you were if you're famous to that point though like in a sense you're a brand yeah you're a brand and famously they adopt aliases there are like characters people are like talking about like porn as this inauthentic thing that they do
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess it makes sense because it is part of the functions that do separate this from traditional sex work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also just found it though really funny that she says it takes a village.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is like, it takes a village is about like a community coming together to raise a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not people being like outsourced to perform like sexual and emotional labor.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think that this is equally as important work.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is like raising a child, raising the men of only fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are a foam, they're a community, they're a village, they're a content ballpiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a content ballpiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the men of the world need to be raised by people in, like, I don't fully know who these people are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're, I don't know they're different from the clip farmers who I think are just a random teenager.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, like, it might be like assistance and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like their outsource.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they don't live in the U.S. even.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine like how they not so did using like chat bots or something to do that work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what she's not saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Camilla also in her boyfriend or like property owners are like kind of landlords like the own like a ton of properties all over the U.S. And they like rent out to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like just fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her boyfriend also does a lot of like managing of these girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's very like he manages like the clip farming or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Bonnie's colleagues ex was sort of on her payroll for like a while doing similar kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think the boyfriends of women in this industry is like that sort of their way of getting on board with it or like a rule in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is it fun?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't decide.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I feel about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, you know, when someone's earning enough for the two of you, it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: family business literally so if he rain is the most prominent member of the bob house she's one of the highest paid creators on only fans at this point alleging that she's grossed over a hundred million dollars during her time there and pulling in about three million dollars a month well at the time of writing this
[SPEAKER_01]: Sophie was inspired to join OnlyFans by her older sister while she was a teenager working at I believe it's their family restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her sister connected her with I guess it's like a social media consultant who specialized in OnlyFans if you can believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who instructed her to establish a presence on social media platforms as a way of like pulling people from across the internet onto your only fans account?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally Maddie's job kind of in this current season of euphoria that you are choosing not to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's only fans consultant?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's like the her whole plot line, at least I have only watched a few episodes, but she finds out that Cassie is making only fans videos and she tells her she wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a adopting girls to be like their like brand manager basically for their yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: for a awful matter of the internet basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and people do some workshop with Patreon, like going to other platforms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I do for my Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: For my Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also showing whole Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, but I am showing metaphorical whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, but all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you'll have to subscribe to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wait, guys, I am showing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, no, she could be like, you could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Shows fingers, cat, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shrodinger?
[SPEAKER_00]: Shrodinger?
[SPEAKER_00]: Shrodinger's cat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shrodinger's cat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shroding
[SPEAKER_01]: Sophie says it's a response for her was instant, but she's since left the Bob House, but still features pretty heavily in its content and like it does course around it She also says that her crush is Bruno Mars, which is funny She's a Filipino queen
[SPEAKER_00]: Is she like a mom?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's something like aunt would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of funny like I kind of like her vibe But she basically was like he's like a short Filipino king and I love him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is and he's beautiful face so small though He's like a jumping like peanut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like
[SPEAKER_01]: So one thing that's really important to note is that while the ball pose is distinct for the fact that it's full of only fans creators, none of these girls actually feature nudity or sex acts on their only fans page.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sophie Rain is a virgin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wait, wait, that is such a needle drop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not a needle drop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they're like, okay, but damn, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I dropped that ball, I dropped that snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious, Hannah, why do you think someone who doesn't film sex acts or appear new would be so popular on a platform where paying for access to more revealing content is kind
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that maybe people are following, hoping that one day she will?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it people are like, I mean, I guess, okay, so we are living in a society.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are online, you can basically access anyone doing anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now with AI, you could really genuinely, literally see anyone doing anything by generating some kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: video image and so I guess obviously the sort of response that would be that the most hit-lating thing as I want to do is show nothing so fascinating
[SPEAKER_01]: I do agree I think she's striking at the concept of the arrows like erotic desire being the thing that you can't have like the art of the tease never quite giving everything up, especially as a legit version.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this kind of paradoxical thing where since sex and nudity like you're saying are so ubiquitous we started paying not to see the nudity because we're like ah show me anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is so interesting though, because those Sophie, Rain, Rarsley, she's using Bonnie Blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came across her because she was being really critical of Bonnie Blue when has she was making the profession look.
[SPEAKER_01]: She talks about the stigma a lot, which I also find her extremely hypocritical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was Sophie the one in the jaggings?
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, Gen Z is tellers are jaggings back, but these seem like girls who never would have like bought like straight leg jeans to begin with.
[SPEAKER_01]: We met someone recently who's like very young and was really shocked to hear that we're 29.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, there was like a gen Z, who was like, oh my god, you're like so old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like basically two are faces.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because my birthday was his past week and so many people have been like so kindly telling me that I don't look old.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We been getting it nonstop on this trip together and yeah, this person was like, you must be so scared to turn 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you must be so scared to be opening your mouth right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe close it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Three, four, eight, freak out.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but before we get to the Hibara, she's like, she is having it to something somewhat genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this parasocial element to it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: That we talk about in the only fans episode where Sophie Rain is actually, she's not doing anything different than like a long-array model.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's not showing anything more than that, but because of how the platform works, there's just so much more of that illusion of intimacy with her, which kind of heightens her status.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you get to know her as her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what is in her videos, what is she doing then?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's showcasing her personality,
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: She talks a lot in her videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like story time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's a vlogger and the only fans vlogger in underwear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's like the TikTok content and there's like the only fans content.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she is talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's making videos for her subscribers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Daniel co-lets who we spoke to in the Guners episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was actually interviewed in one of the major profiles on Sophie Rain.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that she was a totemic figure in the Guning community because her content basically asks people to use their imagination.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the writer of the article wrote that two a lot of these men quote rain is a kind of goddess pure telegenic but tantalizingly within reach like she's both accessible because of how often she's posting on socials and DMing with men whatever but also because she has this like very girl next or quality like you're saying girls the different mall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that I think she's also striking at another paradox, which is that kind of inherent, like we're saying hypocrisy of American sexuality, that we've mentioned in a few episodes, like the act of sex itself is so condemned and taboo, but then the country is also like obsessed with sex as long as it's like profitable, so you end up with this really warped conception of sexuality.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it's a reason why she's so successful, like she very much embodies that hypocrisy.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the profiles she's like talking about the stigma around sex work like you were saying about the Bonnie blue stuff, but then at the very same time she's like, you can still be in this industry without being super sexual.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know like, you've already kind of hinted out of like are there grounds for criticism that she's kind of perpetuating the stigma by saying that she's like a virgin and like refusing to do nudity but then taking up space in this like quote unquote sex industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is so funny, has I've been thinking a lot about this very like hypocrisy of like American sexual hypocrisy around the values of like sexuality in the states for an article and talk it on Britney Spears and an article that I wrote for polyester.
[SPEAKER_00]: So funny full circle moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I was thinking back on a lot with Brittany because obviously Brittany was famously being branded as a Virgin by her team whilst she like was very much not a Virgin she lost a virginity before she was ever even famous and yet like While she's being labeled this and the press she's also like singing really sexy songs dressed very provocatively like pushing all of those limits
[SPEAKER_01]: And people, the public liked her more when she seemed original.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second she started seeing me kind of like quote unquote white trash and like more resexual because she was having actual sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: The public turned on her.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just into really sort of let the cut of the bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was sort of seemed like the Britney that even Daniel's description of Sophie Ray and made me think of Britney in that she
[SPEAKER_00]: had this girl next to her quality that you can't really fake.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just have it like you're really pretty but like not in a way that like makes you like it's not you wouldn't close them striking.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not threatening at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she looks like someone's little cousin's girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that, like, Addison Ray has too, where it's just, like, disagree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Addison Ray has this, like, just quality where you're, like, she would just be the, like, pretty cheerleader, girl in your high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's so hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have a charisma that, like, sort of, that propels them past that and almost, like, they're, um, they're, like, common, common isn't the right word, because it's not to say that they're, like, average looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just, like, yeah, this almost, this accessibility of, like, we could all know a girl who technically looks like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, yeah, with Brittany, it was like, I was knowing like details of her sex life, also just happened to coincide with like her general false and grace from that I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with this, it's like, I don't know, yeah, I think like Sophie Raine, it's kind of like geniusly tapped into, it's, I hate the critical, but like on the part of like America.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's embodying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I also think like, I don't know if it's because the aesthetic is not my taste, but I also find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, that it's a bit, it all looks hideous.
[SPEAKER_01]: flat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the profile they mentioned AI and how Sophie might be displaced soon with AI porn models, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like who might beat the most popular people and only fans who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did maybe kind of think also about this like had this particular porn aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so ubiquitous that it's like almost made itself infinitely repeatable because it's not distinct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's all kind of look the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the girls in the house look the exact same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the landlord's special of pornography.
[SPEAKER_00]: for sure, but also I think in thinking about like potential for AI replacement, I think in this particular case, what makes her powerful is that like you can control AI, but her power being the kind of withholding of sex means that she's actually kind of geniusly tapped into the one thing that like
[SPEAKER_00]: you AI at genuine they cannot replace with just like human bodily autonomy and like the exercise of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a slowly throughout those were like actually we love.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just like, I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, definitely is genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I do think it's somewhat incidental to genius but I do think that it's genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like something went more extremely right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking about why they're so successful even though they're not nude.
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you describe Soviet-Rain's appearance or really like the general appearance of the girls in the house?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, she kind of looks like, you know, when you'd have like a boss in your 30s and then he would have like a 17 year old girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what is this like very specific story?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not actually something an experience I've had but she kind of looked like the teenage girlfriend of like Like some kind of dirt bag guy working in like Like the restaurant for all the industry, you know what I mean Like not funny, but like or like a teenager like like a 17 year old hostess Yeah, she looks like the girlies I worked with all the super pubs I worked at
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like she's pretty but like how old is she she has not disclosed her age.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the assumption she is 20 or 21 think 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she yeah, she looks 20 meaning that she looks like she could be 15.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, like again someone's little cousins girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, she looks younger than my littleist cousin she kind of just like looks like a girl who would be in like the background of an Instagram photo from like some girl I went to high school with like just like oh, you're all on vacation together like you're in the bachelorette party with her I don't know she's like that's what she's 29.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: She's she's got like long straight middle parted brown hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I nose two eyes in a mouth and then this is incredible's body She's cute like she is cute, but she's like yes What I'll say about the girls in the house like so this is her the girl she started with
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you describe this girl?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, is she a braises?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so is she as braises?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she looks like the other girlfriend of your creepy manager at the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so, basically what I'd say about the girls and I was like, I think that they're all doing my classic Gen Z, like dissociative pout thing in their photos, like they kind of do that little like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Please, sir, like, please face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a generally default baby sexuality that's being employed by, like, younger Gen Z that I find kind of, like, fascinating, like, also thinking about, like, you know, Cameron Renee, for example, the girl on the PCT.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who, someone told me, yeah, they thought it was me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he told me, okay, they did not think they thought this is the family, so that's her voice reminds them of Hannah's voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is why I'm speaking in a lower voice is like she has a baby voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a baby voice One cannot tell if she's putting it on like it sounds put on it might not be but she's very like Mexico to Canada
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm lagging, she talks and I think that's what kind of struck people about her initially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, why is that baby voice happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She might just have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But is this like younger density thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I'd also say that they very much have that like Disney look.
[SPEAKER_01]: Camera Renee doesn't have this, but the Bob House girls they have this Disney look like that Disney cute face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna call it yeah, which is that like very lazy standard of animation among recent Disney Slop where you have these like massive eyes, like full cheek, smaller, kind of smaller lips that smirk to the side and then like a really button nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a, uh, I can't remember what the trend was on TikTok of girls because there was that girl who like had one of those faces and she would also like used to be in the army or something and she got like Bella Bellaboo Bella Bella something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had to go like she said there would be like satin noises and that people kind of hated her but then they also loved her and she also had a Mrs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible body
[SPEAKER_00]: But I can't she used to make Bella Boop.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was this specific sound to trend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember it now, and I can't even act it out because this is an audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people thought she was like 28 or something, but she was like, oh, this V-tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: This creepy 28 year old woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she was like kind of covered in tats, which she was like four feet tall and she'd wear these like really oversized hoodies, like kind of Ariana Grande style.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but she was doing baby mode for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like the girls in this house, even though they're all kind of different ethnicities, it's kind of like someone caught me pasted their faces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's hard to know if they're just like learning to imitate this look or they do just like look like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all to say that the girlies of the Bob house look alarmingly young, like legitimate middle school age.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they very much play this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them literally, I think a couple of them actually like you saw a hand out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize I used to so if you also had them, but they have braces.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll wear onesies.
[SPEAKER_01]: They suck on lollipops.
[SPEAKER_01]: What have you?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of do wonder how much of all of this like even just this general babyness with young jenzy girls like is influenced by the high incidents of like barely legal porn.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was this TikTok or who made a video kind of chastising the ballpost for being... She called them groomers, which you can see our groomers episode for why we are not using that word correctly here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she calls them groomers because of the way that they infantilize themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says that this creates a demand for barely legal performers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's kind of a chicken and egg thing like Where's the supply?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the demand when it comes to the increasing dominance of barely legal performers in porn or like this barely legal aesthetic I have also just been wondering like our generations looking younger and younger all the time and by virtue of that the general look of porn stars will also start being younger too
[SPEAKER_01]: I have so many questions that are porn performers unlocking a leading pedophilia in audiences or are they like answering a demand for it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're answering a demand for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but then where is it coming from?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like with the whole paradox of America you have this like country kind of obsessed I think a pizza gate was like hunting down pedos, but then it's also constantly intermixing like
[SPEAKER_01]: virginity and sexuality and commodification.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, makes you think, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that like especially in America, like people have been sexualizing like teenage girls since way before, like people got all, yeah, pizza gate warrior about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, totally, but just American general.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think because maybe because so much of American values have like kind of in turn like infantilized children and like young people in this way that like you know the idea of like the American nuclear family and like the value and importance of the child and like making that like has like in a way they extremely protected like a protectedness around the child and putting them in
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it just kind of it goes then goes back to the hypocrisy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the fact that the reason Sophie rain is so successful is the fact that she's Not having sex on camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the thing that is forbidden.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's all very weird They even talk about how Drake DMed Sophie rain at one point which is certainly not helping his allegations and it is a bit like I don't know our guys
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing this baby look as the beauty standard and then kind of like seeking out hypergunk looking adults today, like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's this raises more questions than I am sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I mean like as a culture like we just we do value youth like so if somebody's in like we're even talking about people finding out we're 29 and being like Oh my god, like you don't look old like people love to compliment me by telling me I don't look my age and it's just like well I don't need to look 18
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm okay, like I'm okay, like to look like I'm in my 20s, like that's my age and I think I mean almost my 30s, um, but T, T, but we immediately like read it as a compliment to be told or to tell someone that they look young.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right because that is like the most valuable thing you can be in our culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think especially like for men who are have pool power, like someone like Drake gets like, well, if you can have the most value, like if you can afford all the most valuable things in life, why wouldn't that also include the women.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a younger looking woman, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I I guess I I always find it hard to know like where to even point blame because When I was watching their videos, I was like, it's just so fucking annoying like why are you actually like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they do inherently annoy me with they're like pody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and how do you like the one the ones?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a full bang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but then it's like, okay, Olivia Rodriguez.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't dress like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But is it that different like Olivia Rodrigo was a baby doll dress and everyone's like why the fuck are you like trying to look like a baby We had a friend who used to hate Ariana Grande because she was like, oh, she infantilizes herself and it's like I don't know I just think there's so many layers of complications here that's like I don't even know how mad I can be at these like ball pass girls because
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, supply demands like are they creating the demand or are they just supplying it and I don't like we don't there we don't know the answer and I just find yelling at women kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there's a bit of a difference though because I think like what is clearly a grown woman dressing co-cattishly, which is like an exaggerated version of what like a literal baby where it's like a baby doll dress is for babies, but it's like obviously this woman is not going to pass for a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well also no fans like I'm not seeing any infants wearing baby doll dresses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, like pick up the, like step up your game babies baby babies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also she's obviously doing you know mom just like Courtney a lot because she always is She's Disney Courtney a lot but also sorry Courtney love.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's Disney like we love you Courtney we love you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We love you Courtney love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, she's like she's like Disney rocker girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: She literally is Disney Courtney love.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, like, as a rookie mag reader, I like this is so adorable.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the difference between that and these girls wearing, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: but she was sucking on their phones like when I say like the like look they're probably just dressing the way that obviously 20 something girl goes where and I'm not like shaming them for other dressing but it's like these are people who are actually leading into the very believable possibility that they are under age.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, to an extent, it's more complicated than that, but I just think it's not necessarily the same argument you can make against Olivia Rodrigo wearing bloomers and like a little showdowns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that the exact thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think when you're choosing to keep your braces on and do porn, that's a choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not necessarily what I'm saying is like inherently bad and there are so many systems that this is taking place within that like these women did not invent this system.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main question about any of the type of criticism is is that driving men to then go be pitos?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't even mean and that's where that criticism is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the concern and that is what the question we do not have the answer to other than all we can say is that like the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that is like it's just, yeah, that's where I have trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's obviously the exact same as the little viewer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd forget the situation because she's just like kind of existing She's making this for like her young girl audience like me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that dress is really cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's really cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would love baby doll dress.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think though that the girls deserve criticism, at least to the extent that they brought this teenage social media star named Piper Rockell into their house to film content with them She's like from the chicken girls or whatever that show is the chick.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was like this be yeah, like this baby show that was like happening during the pandemic or something It was like for young kids and like all the girls want to make middle schoolers
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like, take a look at them fully understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I could like consult them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very rich opt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Neces.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to them obviously from the same to this, so they can't answer this question.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm assuming that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, she was on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they brought her into their house to film content with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And justified it on the basis that I was just like a social media collaboration.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then obviously, then, Piper made an only fans account like the second she turned 18.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, she doesn't post nudity, but she did make like a million dollars in her first hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: that it was launched.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just all quite debased and like yeah I mean that's giving the Bella Thorn you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bella's more in like bad baby is I think the number one only fans creator and again she had a countdown and my niece informed me that bad baby has cancer which she does deeply upsetting information.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love bad baby and I hope she makes a speedy recovery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, but she had a countdown to 18, I believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The girls in the house are constantly like, it's such a bummer that men love this baby stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is like, okay, but then you're doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, then you're actually implicating a minor and why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just kind of like, there's no morals to content creation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, well, we're collabing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what, like, funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it gets a lot of fact for as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entertainment.
[SPEAKER_00]: that and also like associating herself with like really young performers or people who were curious but only fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean obviously working with literally like amateur freshly 18 year old men but also bringing around really young or like really young looking girls to be in her videos for the shock factor like shock factor of it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I do think Would you in the Bonnie blue episode really really made me think about like again this kind of nihilistic like the approach of well like nothing really matters anymore and like our values are all kind of in the toilet anyways So like whatever gets you a bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and like what you know This is gonna make headlines, you know
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, exactly, and speaking of the bag thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the beginning of the bag thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Factoring in paper, Raquel.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of where we get to the stream, just part of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that the Bob House has a predominant, very young female audience on TikTok.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think they're so popular with girls and young women, Hannah?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess Britney Spears was really popular with girls and young women.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Britney Spears was making music for a girl being on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know any guys who were like Britney Spears is so hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of funny to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like rewatching Crossroads or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm also am just like watching her because I'm like sort of captivated by her beauty and her sparkle and her like didn't say quah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if these girls, I mean, I'm talking to necessarily give them the high praise of saying they have that genus they call that Brittany and Addison Ray have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Addison, but I think there is something about like the relatability of maybe looking up to them as these sort of like older girl next door cheerleader looking types, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That might have something to do with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the girl next door miss of it really helps, like, that's a girl that it's just like me essentially, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the idea, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Brittany is so appealing also to young girls who's like, well, that girl is like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not threatening, like, beautiful yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, she's like, she feels like your babysitter that when you're a kid, you probably thought was the most beautiful girl in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think a major aspect of it is this hypehouse idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think hypehouses worked so well, not just because they put creators in close proximity, we're like, they can constantly collab, if you will, but also because they operate kind of like girl-in-boy groups.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it hasn't almost like K-pop effect, where each girl has the illusion of this distinct personality, or brand, and you can kind of pick your favorites, and your least favorites, and you can ship certain friendships.
[SPEAKER_01]: and like see them interact with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the same, almost like the same thing that's working with like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, like why it hasn't appealed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's this interactive fan element that young girls really love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if the Bob House girls also aren't making actual porn and they're not posting actual porn on TikTok, then it's kind of easy for a child to completely see past, like the lurid front of house element to it
[SPEAKER_01]: Girls having an extended sleepover, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, these girls are wearing pajamas.
[SPEAKER_01]: That looks fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be there with them, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, my favorite girls were in pink today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I so would have fallen for it as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, when you kid, you just like watching pretty people do things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you love watching pretty people do things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, in the minutes of your documentary, one of the guys, Betty profiles, is this guy named H.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiki Talkie, which I hate having to say aloud every single fucking time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: who makes like men as if you're content to by making money fast, but he also runs this only fans type.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of high powers called the House of Heat, which is similar to the Bob House, but I think a major difference is that those girls in the House of Heat kind of feel like they're being controlled by like a visible PIMP.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the Bob House girls seem to have much more agency and I think the amount that they talk about like coming out of poverty and like making quick money Can feel like really inspiring to young women despite it's like content like almost like the mirror version of HS could take you talk You like you're like look how much money you can make super fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on top of like the girl next one is yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes you be like, oh, I can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they can do what I can do it, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that that's what only fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like once upon a time people would be like, maybe I'll just drop out and become a stripper.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like, maybe they'll drop out and become an only fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean, half to be a stripper.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and it's actually a lot easier to like sign up for an only fans account than it is to like get hired at a stripper.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to leave my bedroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to be a good dancer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these girls are obviously have to be somewhat competent dancers, but like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he dancing is like a huge stretch, but yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: coordination of some degree.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can twerk though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them aren't even really twerking.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of like shaking what they got.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they can shake it and I can't shake it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Disney look also plays a part like the cuteness factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look like the fair faces look like Disney character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hannah, how would you put Sophie Rain in conversation with Bonnie Blue like considering that there are two of the most famous only fans creators right now
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think what Bonnie Blue decided was that you had to kind of go to extremes, like to compete in this economy, you had to like pull out all the stops, to get a dungeon, and I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, what might be the thing that Miguel like made Sophie rain more successful is that she did the exact opposite and she was like, or you pulled none of the songs basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bonnie Blue was like, I couldn't just like post videos of me in my underwear because like that wouldn't like get me ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not to say anyone who everyone who does just post photos and they're underwear is going to be as successful as Sophie rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that like there's all the qualities that we've gone over that love like allowed her to actually not just like anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess it's interesting because what Bonnie Blue almost does is confirm to like a sex negative culture that sex is scary and extreme in graphic and like these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so scary, like the photos of her with the guys, the shystees, like all say me behind her, like 70,000 men behind her, and she's like, has this like weird placid smile on her face, it's so like Yeah, but she gets to like kind of represent like why we're uncomfortable with sex in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like Sophie rain is like affirming it by rejecting it altogether.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's also like affirming our kind of like cultural
[SPEAKER_00]: intimacy, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like minimalism, maximalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a two extremes meet horseshoe theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we all not be normal?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, um, and you think actually the insults would like, I guess like Sophie Rainer or something because she's so like, but they, they don't like her either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Clivicular, they have a public beef.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said he didn't want to be anywhere near, within like a 10 foot radius version.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what he said, and she called him a clown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and, and, and she wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's certainly not wrong, and she's definitely more normal than
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really low bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bar is low, but she is more normal.
[SPEAKER_01]: She seems like a normal girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a non-nary.
[SPEAKER_01]: With a net worth of like $5 billion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like built like, you know, Snoopy's girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not Snoopy's girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goofy's son's girlfriend and those memes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, what do I...
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Queen or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was he saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Max Max Max is like drew.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like ice-doubt and then yeah, and he's got like a batty Her batty should bring a thracer t-shirt and like fishnet's under her jeans.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is called like a booty So V-Rain is built like her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so V-Rain built like her.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the profiles revolts are kind of hit at the crux of it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say that
[SPEAKER_01]: The barpose is like a sign of the coming cultural apocalypse in which Hawk girls rule an army of lonely insults who pay for their penthouses and private jets.
[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, the barpose thrives on rage bait.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's content designed to piss off the same people it arouses.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think there's a thing that links together the way that men have historically received females' sexuality, which is this mixture of admiration and total distinction for the way it kind of like weakens them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you go to any of Sophie's videos of herself, I don't know, going to Coachella or getting on a private jet, there's some guy in the comments, like one of the 12 comments will always be some sad guy being like, guys, we got her here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're bummed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, they're like, and also like look at us like these kind of self-hating losers are like Yeah, guys, we got goofed by this girl because she got rich and we can't even see her titties.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like boomed again All right