[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the horror hounds, a low-hounds podcast to your guides to new England's most accurate and hilarious superstitions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Alicia Yorshaman for this trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, and I'm Lisa, and I voted for Matthew Reese to be mayor, even though he ran on the post.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Mark from the Nevermind the Music podcast, where we want tourists to come listen, but we're worried they might die.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is our coverage of the first half of widows base season one on Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm John.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just sticking around for the cocktail hour, but I'm out of here before the bonfire begins.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm late for my appointment with the chairman, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably wise, probably wise.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are going to be, we're going to start with some spoiler free fresh takes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we are going to get into the full spoiler dive for the first five episodes where we'll be talking character by character and then going through a checklist of the threats still hanging over us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the premise of this show for anyone who's tuned in without knowing what they're getting into, it's a horror comedy about a skeptical mayor of a New England town who refuses to bow to the superstitions of the residents who claim that the place is cursed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Lisa, let's start with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are your overall spoiler free thoughts about the first half of season one of hopefully many in my book of Widows Bay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've really enjoyed Apple TV plus television shows and when I saw the teasers to see that it was a Matthew Reese.
[SPEAKER_01]: show, I knew I was going to tune in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is keeping me to enjoy the show is the parks and recreation of it all, you know, the characters that are treating the supernatural with the same like weary resignation as like the electricity going out or a difficult coworker or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really the blend of comedy and folklore that I love so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so far of the five episodes we've had, you know, five different types of, you know, villains and scares and haunts and fears are really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love getting to know the townspeople.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a wonderful experience for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: good, good, glad to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mark, we kind of, um, you were not watching, but you were tagged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, not by me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was maybe Fur Elise, who tagged you first and said, this is so up your alley because of this Stephen King angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we kind of got, we got you to watch and jump in, what did you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it worth it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'm really definitely worth it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really appreciate being looped back in because it also happens to be three days since I submitted my last grades for the semester.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so what that means is I'm coming back into pop culture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've been sort of out of the loop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like a slow catch-up.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're still on season one of the pit in my household.
[SPEAKER_03]: So summertime is great for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so this was a great reintroduction to the Laura Hound's community.
[SPEAKER_03]: So happy to be here to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, lots of Stephen King here, but what's interesting is it's kind of a different.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of Stephen King like it's obviously has the probably evil New England town thing going on, but the comedy element is treated in a different way that, yeah, Lisa mentions parks and wreck for obvious reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, there's black comedy in some Stephen King, you know, I just read under the dome this year and that has some of that sort of how is this really how people would act in this scenario kind of things, but
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, we've got the font of the title card that's very Stephen King, but otherwise it's drawing from so many other things.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's much more episodic in then sort of something like, welcome to dairy was.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I'm really enjoying it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say we can talk more about influences later.
[SPEAKER_03]: episode four was my high point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I just like episode four of shows, um, episodes three is in four as I tend to enjoy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, there's something about that I don't I can't call it a a bottle episode because it actually is so expansive and what it does, but a focused episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just the single POV on a character.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: and i think that's a great example that episode of who is the protagonist who is the audience surrogate in the show you start out sort of thinking that it's the mayor but then you i grow to really distaste him like he's really not i don't know not really a guy i want to root for he's kind of rude yeah and then and by the fifth episode i'm like
[SPEAKER_03]: But the townspeople are the rational ones here sometime and I think episode four is a nice like walk through someone's perspective where you can see without spoiling anything you can see how one person's reality is someone else's madness and I love that about the show because I don't know when we get to the last episode whose eyes are we looking through and who seems reasonable at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, happy to be here and happy to watch show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and John, you are the latest to the catching up on Witter's Bay fold.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said you were up late last night, binging it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I put it on, right after the kids went to bed, we settled in and put it on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my, my head heard about it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she was like, oh, I'm glad you suggested this, because I was already looking at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we started this episode, we started episode one and then we were like, I don't even do episode two, I don't have so three.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those one more episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we were like, oh, we ran out and it was one in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: 40 minutes is a dangerous length of a TV show these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could go do that for days, 40 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I guess you really liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 40 minutes and hour because I think that would have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a happy medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's 35 to 40 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like like the first time I'm watching episodes They feel longer to me, but then I was rewatching them last night in this morning to do the notes and I was like, oh, it's already over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow next next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah But yeah, did you guys think
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we both really loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always thought like, comedy and horror share a lot of the same DNA.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are, you know, they're all like, surprise based and mischievous and based tension based.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so combining them, not knowing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like every scene is
[SPEAKER_02]: a fork in the road, are we going to go down the comedy, lane, or the horror lane?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That almost adds to the tension of bulls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, poor kid, no, those dos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how seamlessly they combine them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what I'm saying is like you just flip in the coin, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Every every scene are we going down the comedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they do both at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's both all trying and hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can think of a few scenes off the top of my head that served both.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very impressive writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The acting is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a masterfully cast show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am rooting for like two characters to live at the end and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those, it's one of those I hate everybody and I can't stop watching shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a question about the comedy and horror.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to like boost my motto chops or whatever, but I've usually most shows don't actively scare me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can be creeped out, but my question maybe for anybody in this call that does get actually scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: or the does the mix interrupt that because I am creeped out at times and laughing out loud at times and I do see those moments where they're both happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I wondered, can you be scared and laughing at the same time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, in a haunted house, like a walk through haunted house, laughing out of fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, like, actually this is funny and scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a hard thing for me to judge because it's not
[SPEAKER_03]: If it was an alien TV show, I'd probably be actively scared, but this kind of thing doesn't really do it for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Lisa's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm massively nodding.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm the one that can watch recent horror films like a Hogum or Obsession or Winelation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked about the drama, not that that's a horror, but I'm often talking to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Laughing when they are trying to not take themselves seriously, you know, Jordan Peel get out kind of thing, which has both in my opinions, so I think you said it really well about the tension, that is so similar between horror and comedy, and I'm often the one in the theater who might be only one of two people laughing during service scenes or film, but yeah, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now I like dark comedy and I and horror and comedy have a long history together and I think it is because it is like the one to punch of the tension release.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about who created this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's already been some parks and rec references, and that's because the creator is Kate Diffel, Katie Diffeld, who is a best known for parks and recs.
[SPEAKER_00]: She also, which I loved, she did the female ghostbuster movie, which I really didn't love, and she did the hunting mansion, which I did really enjoy, but I also have like a real soft spot for that ride, going back to childhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but she doesn't do it alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, there's a writer's room where the other writers who got credit for these episodes were talking about today are Kelly Galuska best known for stuff like Bojack Horseman, Neil Casey, SNL and inside Amy Schumer, Mackenzie Doer, Wandavision, Lock and Key, Colton Dunn, uh, who's also an actor, but there's also known for things like key and peels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, it's really like a,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, do you guys feel all of these influences in this show in the creative mixing pot here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really helped me understand why I was enjoying it so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really only knew about Katie going in and the Parks and Rack.
[SPEAKER_01]: But once I looked back and went, oh yeah, we have like S&L skit writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have sitcom writers, we have, you know, director, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an amazing writer's room and a line of directors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, yeah, it really shows what we're saying on the television.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, it's all set up the director since you mentioned the lead director, a real get is hero Mariah who isn't best known for music videos like this is America from Childish Gambino, but also for shows like hey David, are you listening to this list?
[SPEAKER_00]: Atlanta, Station 11, Barry, the Bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he directed episodes one through three, and he also will direct the last two episodes of the season, but other directors include Sam Donovan did episode four known for things like like severance in the crown, Andrew D. Young known for like pen 15, our flag means death, the chair company.
[SPEAKER_00]: So real, I don't know, are you guys familiar?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess you're familiar with their work, John, Mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely like I'm looking at this list and I'm like, oh, I actually really like all this person's work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, one thing I'm thinking as as I'm looking at the list and listening to talk about it and watching the show is it's very postmodern.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's stylistic contrast all the time we've been talking about that with regards to the whole horror mixed with comedy, but even when you just look at.
[SPEAKER_03]: hero Mariah's repertoire.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is America.
[SPEAKER_03]: That song in that music video is about extreme contrast, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Gambino goes from this hard like electro rap to suddenly there's like a gospel choir on screen and like that kind of the point of the song and Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Barry both are like sorta comedies, but then they'll take extremely serious turns and it makes me just
[SPEAKER_03]: have no idea and I know he's not showrunner necessarily but this could look totally different in episode 9 or 10 or in season 2 it could.
[SPEAKER_03]: based on, I mean, if it, if you watch the whole sequence of seasons of Atlanta, you almost have no idea what genre this show could end up if they go that far.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I say that sort of postmodern, it's very self-aware of what it's doing in a way that the only times I really see horror doing that
[SPEAKER_03]: is when it's either referencing other horror or it's a satire, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, like a full-on scary movie kind of a screen kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's really interesting to see we could have a drama episode, not even scary, not even funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And with these creators, maybe that wouldn't be that surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, WandaVision talk about massive changes in tone and genre within the same show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you shouted out episode four, um, that was kind of the least funny, but also the one that people keep saying is their favorite was, who was your favorite, John, since you just binged it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's episode four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, uh, I would say close runner up is episode two.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I really love the actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spoil it, but I really love the actor that was featured alongside the mayor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you mean the, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: the tourists shown at the table in the very first scene when the main protagonist is glaring because I saw that and I went oh my god that's one of my co-workers and I tell you all right all right so we're gonna get into spoilers let me just say for anyone who who hasn't watched this yet I think you're gonna get a hearty round of recommendations there is obviously some scary stuff in this there's some vulgar humor but really like not
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the episodes, as we said, only 35 to 40 minutes each, they release each Tuesday evening Wednesdays, depending if you're my part of the world or further east.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and there's five more weeks to catch up on on Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely recommend checking it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we come back, we're going to unleash the spoilers for the first
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not supposed to be a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just shouting out my friend, Jen, who is in extra.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like the second shot we see an episode four.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I text her, is that you and sure enough, it's her.
[SPEAKER_03]: So nice job, Jen, a professional actor, getting the work wherever you can.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is such a great show to be in.
[SPEAKER_03]: You haven't told us, Sandy.
[SPEAKER_03]: No kidding, Jen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should ask her, are you an episode 10 by any chance?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, if she has the inside intel on some scenes, perhaps, um, so, okay, we're going to go plot arc by plot arc, not episode by episode, covering the five episodes, one, welcome to Widow's Bay, two, lodging, three, the inaugural swim, four beach reads, and five, what to expect on your trip, but before we let you go, John, let's start with what are your spoilery hot takes, so you don't have to bite your tongue anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, uh, I want Patricia and Wick to live, and I don't care about anybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they are the only people I think have showed themselves to be upstanding citizens of this town.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rosemary?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about Dale, play by Jeff Hiller, and yeah, Rosemary's a real out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dale.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched it so quick, who's Dale?
[SPEAKER_00]: Dale is the one who was forced to be the DJ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Rosemary?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the only?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's neutral.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Rosemary is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rosemary, I feel like, could turn, I love that character, but I feel like I would not be surprised if Rosemary is.
[SPEAKER_03]: like a figment of our imagination or something like there's something about her that they could go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not predicting that, but they could go anywhere with her that character.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could be possessed.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could become the lead character in the last few episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Dale is just there for a gag maybe, but Rosemary may be not because she seems like she knows something like she keeps what is her line in her catchphrase is like
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do anything right today, like what is that going to mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: She lived on the island, she's 35 now, and she's lived on the island.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's 35 now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have this whole thing of the ages.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we do have the thing of the ages, like, Jim was what 27 or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: 34, something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that for?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something wrong with the aging.
[SPEAKER_00]: But was it, he was also, was someone was, yeah, was lying about having
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I, I do, I think that's a clue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think something's going on with the 80s Island, like it's feeding on people or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really like, it doesn't feel too mystery boxy to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like we're, and the reason for that is, I think that the show does a brilliant thing of opening a mystery and closing it in the same episode every time, well, still keeping the overarching mystery going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what's going to happen in the hotel?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we get the clown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I was saying was season episode two with my favorite was my second favorite because I love what's his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy who plays the clown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's from right to gemstones.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was so funny in the right to gemstones and it's such a different character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tim bolts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's an amazing actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he also playing the guy that he's hanging out with at the hotel?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite story with him acting is that he has a tough scene where he has to say goodbye.
[SPEAKER_02]: to somebody in an outback steak house in the righteous gemstones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they wrote, you know about this, Lisa.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they wrote, they wrote in the script, good day, Judy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he thought that they wanted him to go all the way, so he goes, good day, Judy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he does that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does the outback, austere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole crew was laughing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, what, that's what I thought I was supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's funny, I like him a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what, uh, what is your favorite scare and your favorite joke in this show?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my, my favorite twist is Patricia's hat, but my favorite scare.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the clown is is coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the scariest thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, last night, um, I, I locked up the house and then I, I came to bed and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: my wife went got up to go to the bathroom and she goes, why'd you leave the kitchen late on?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: No reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't freak out.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least you didn't lock yourself in a chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got a lock yourself in a chest for 72 hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of my favorite jokes because it felt so like full circle was, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure there's a million ones that made me laugh harder, but I think one of my favorite like complete jokes was Tom completely botching his one night stand because he thought that she was the sea hug and she goes to guess that was humiliating because it was actually just a real person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was just a good misdirection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but he's the thing about Marissa is that she was like given all the red flags because He said no and she still went to his door and was like, oh, hey, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the reason he said and you know that doesn't He's her behavior later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the reason he said no was because he was convinced she was I know I know and I was too He was attracted to do or he would have said, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seemed great when they were you know like chatting at the at the
[SPEAKER_00]: Diner, whatever, um, but then she's like, I need to get laid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get laid.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a little, but then she, she wouldn't even go to the drinks with him, but then her friends were all there anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's weird, though, is, is that real at the end?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, sure, I know when she says this isn't embarrassing to the cab driver, that's our clue.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, oh my god, he means wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then the next episode, we see the batch
[SPEAKER_03]: She was real for sure except how much of that is fantasy because there's also references to Patricia's fantasy in that case, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's also references to him asking, wait, is there a bachelor at party like there's some clue in episode four that?
[SPEAKER_03]: that maybe when we start to question her that maybe there is no bachelor at party on the island and then is she just imagining a bachelor at party showing up to her sons at cocktails with all the attractive people or whatever so it's kind of a weird mark i think saw yeah i think we saw somebody wearing a bride ribbon yeah the real one in the real like with everybody standing there
[SPEAKER_03]: Why isn't Marissa, Marissa's not with them because she's supposedly trying to go hook up with.
[SPEAKER_01]: The then friend was in the cab, I saw that scene too, it felt that scene too, that there were other people waiting for her in the cab.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were just going to go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could drive away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it didn't go well, of course, she would just revenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I was looking for her at the drinks and she wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do still have questions about Marissa.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also like that was such a great performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a shame if she's
[SPEAKER_00]: I also have questions about how much time passes between certain episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we know that party was July 1st because that's what the invite said.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then was it July 4th when they did the fireworks or was it the next day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, they're just going into the reverence office.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they already have his funeral plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do, maybe there is something timing why me going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe that's just TV magic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't question it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, uh, we had locked him in a chest for three days.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what was off screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why I got from July 1st, the fourth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, good call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be, could be, especially with the, well, with the trip in, I guess that was July 4th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would it would have been funny, though, if we saw Tom go like, as soon as we walked in, he's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: So question for you guys before we let you go, Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the the island, we hear from an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Katie Dippold said, the island, it's a long fairy ride.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know exactly if the fairy comes from Massachusetts or Maine, but I purposely wanted to keep that
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so we know this series was primarily filmed in Massachusetts in towns like, is it pronounced for Worcester Sir?
[SPEAKER_00]: Worcester Worcester Worcester Rockport and Glausster Glausster Hey, don't blame me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just a messenger.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for being here to help me with that And the Brits are probably also shouting at me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, because that's probably wrong, too
[SPEAKER_02]: I love there was a tiktok where somebody is a long time ago where somebody was like, put some washer sister sauce on, and then the British person came on and went, wash your sister sauce.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the only thing I know where sister sauce is the only thing that I know like my parents love to put that on stake anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love a good washer sister sauce.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we here, it's 42 nautical miles from the coast of New England.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Current population of 3,000 founded by Richard Warren.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get back to him, probably the guy with the frozen mushrooms we see in episode five.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, my question for you guys, especially the two of you who live in the right part of the world, have you been to like, does this island feel familiar to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can say along the coast of Ohio, we have a couple of islands, the Putten Bay, Kelly's Island area.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to put best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They grow wine there and there's crystals.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it definitely felt like that kind of place for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Mr. New England, please.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mr. New England, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mr. New England relocated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been to Martha's Vineyard, and this is not Martha's Vineyard, because Martha's Vineyard is fancy, right, kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's alluded to if the thing is, there's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: a there's actually literally on the web a random Massachusetts name town name generator that you could like gloss field med port like you can just randomly because they all have these same names and they're the truth is it feels like there's a little bit of a idyllic new England coastal town generator out there in the world too like if you pull up to a random town it's gonna have
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, fried clams and like lobster roll little shack and then there's going to be an old cute marina that's like just dirty enough to be kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: legitimately from the colonial era but very nice like they're all kind of the same and so it it works to sort of create this there's a possibility of this but 42 nautical miles is a little ways like nantuck it is less than that I'm pretty sure this if I had to guess this feels a little bit more like main if you told me this is main I believe it Massachusetts just so
[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, the harbor islands and like, Nantuck it in Martha's Vineyard, they're all too populated in two touristy, but if you told me this was like, halfway at the coast on the way to Akkadia National Park, there's some island, and it was fishermen, and there's a few lighthousees left, but it's sort of not, it's a wailing town, or whatever, I would believe that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it feels legit because they entered it into the coastal town generator AI, and it turned out, there's probably a really good,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, not a good coffee shop at first, but there's probably a really good ice cream shop.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's already there, for example.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it feels authentic enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to do about the accents though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like up in Maine you get some.
[SPEAKER_03]: you get them, you can't get the alpham here, kind of acts that are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're keeping it more generic, not main specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know, but it's like main accents can be like super Boston.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you've left Boston and then suddenly you're like, whoa, you're parking the car again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is to a San Diego who has nothing to do with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have this and can't really, like, I'm sure there are mayors out there that would be really upset with me comparing the accents like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if I had a guest, I can tell you it is not
[SPEAKER_03]: New Hampshire, because New Hampshire has the shortest American coastline.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do not believe there is a single island that technically would be in New Hampshire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only like 10 miles of coasts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So fun fact, maybe maybe it's more than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, it sounds like they're going more for Massachusetts where they filmed and main vibes with a Stephen King of it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: John, do you have any thoughts about the location or final thoughts in general?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to let out before we let we go?
[SPEAKER_02]: On the location, when I was in my early 20s, I did like a short like up New England quote-unquote tour with my folk band.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember going to Machiaia's main because we had like family friends there of one of the badmades.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, it's very north.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like 40 minutes out of Canada.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like every business doubled us in other business because there was not the population to support a business doing one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember they were like, oh, let's get something to eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to go to Tom's mini mark for dinner.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I was like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, really even small now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what reminded me of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that vibe, right, right on the coast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, but beautiful city, by the way, beautiful town.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I should call a city, but I wanted to pose a question before I go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: did the boogey man actually come for Patricia, because that is bothering me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's definitely something I was going to put out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: For some reason, I am inclined to believe her, even though I have no reason to at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: except that she can do nothing wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Patricia, I can't accept that Patricia would be lying about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just, I mean, it just feels like something the show would do that she would be ostracized for her entire life for this horrific experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's telling the truth about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on the psychological side, I can imagine her at that age wanting so badly to be included and sadly, you know, in a twisted way of everything that's going on with her peers and maybe maybe she maybe it didn't happen, but she really talked herself into believing it did she wanted so bad to be a part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he came for me, but I managed to escape and because that just became, you know, the synapses just joined and she actually like legit believes.
[SPEAKER_01]: that creation, that memory that she created.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe she believes, do you think we'll find out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least that, because maybe it could be something that where she was mistaken and it turns out it was, I don't know, her dad or some grandpa or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we think we'll find out by the end of this show?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're setting up the bookie men stuff so much that it's going to be a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe she's still alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I had to guess, I would guess no that she wasn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with I'm with Lisa like she thinks she did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's some other thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't mean it could have been a ghost though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could have been something that's where I'm not saying it could be grandpa.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could be not the book Amanda as some homicidal dude, but one of the actual evil
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I'm at, is it was not the actual book and man that's why she's alive, but it was something mimicking it because that was her fear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the movie man was gonna come and get her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when everybody's like, the film calls didn't happen, that's because the film was wring in because some ghost was doing a electrical work, you know, rather than actually going across the telecoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, before you go, what is your take so far on Evan and Tom's father's son relationship and he's my terrible dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a terrible son too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I got it to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but like, you create a terrible son.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're an, I mean, like, that didn't come out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, we'll definitely stick into this more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're definitely gonna be digging into this more, but for me, the one thing he did that, like, I can forgive the rest, but the way he was shitty about Reverend Bryce dying, like, oh, isn't that your friend?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was when I was like, yeah, that sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to smack him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's a step too far.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also if this kid's like 17 or 18 and he's going out and party like I'm what's he doing actually that's that he's a pain in the ass, but what's he doing that's actually that much worse than what you would sort of expect a lot of teenagers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I was that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except for that's really callous about you know it wasn't your friend like that's that's dick behavior but
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just a goof off, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not, maybe he's worse than that, but well, there is a dick hole street now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is a little straight ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, that's where he's moving to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think about the Heather stuff that's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, maybe this maybe he turns out to be the boogeyman who has an age in 40 years or he killed his mother because he's a demon when he was born.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, we'll find that out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But to me, I think the
[SPEAKER_03]: Tom is a bad dad wins the battle against kid is a bad kid because he's just a kid at this point or like a young man, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see how anti-social or maladaptive his behavior is in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get into him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you my theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to have him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that Tom, so that Evan was born on the ferry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the curse is on him, that's why he's staying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason he's obsessed with keeping Evan on the, I, I, I'm sorry, with getting the island so exciting and with tourists and everything, because he wants to make it a place that Evan wants to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think that that's why he was so invested in proving the super stations are false because he doesn't want it to be true because he's so afraid for his afraid of what the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think his wife's still alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's in a, she's in a mental institution.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a catatonic state.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it's the, when they say there's that, that throw, there's so many throw away like lines and visual effects, but there's this throw away line about like, uh, you can
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because that was she.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you think she's on Island, not on the mainland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She would be dead if she was on the mainland.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing was, or, or, wait, was she born to be establishes she was born on the island?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, or she easily, at least they say she's from the island.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm just wondering if, like, she wasn't born on the island, but because she was pregnant with someone conceived on the island, it still affected her.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just trying to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: They definitely seem like flying for the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I want to win the man in black is going to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Jacob.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a lost reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some lost vibes, especially in the videos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those those history videos feel a lot like the Dharma initiative.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 100% Dharma.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a felt like that was a Blair Witch Project reference to have the guys at the end turn around and face the wall for 25 year old movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: But literally the last few seconds of that movie, don't a lot like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's some strong folk harvests in the show in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any of you watched Midnight Mass?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think about that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of DNA there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, the like kind of old New England issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe that might have been, you know, off the coast of Washington.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like old North and coastal town.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also the playing around with aging and time and like who has been here how long and that obviously goes in a different way with a different direction probably which also was sort of Steven Kingyish.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't help but feel like that's a very recent reference point because that show might have only been five years ago or or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Misha, what's his face?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is he really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this season we're going to see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's cast for the season, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And is he a insert spoiler of midnight mass in this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Two, you think?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I don't, I don't think we'll find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think there's probably something going on, but we'll find out if I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more of a deal with the devil kind of thing, one last tiny quick thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I said I'm going to come for 15 minutes, but one last tiny quick thing is my assad it would have been a great full circle moment if when Evan asked Tom wasn't here friend about the priest or Reverend, he said, yeah, we used to play ding-dong, it's together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would have been nice, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is he did use to do similar stuff to what his son is doing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have more in common than his son realizes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But isn't that always the case, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Tom grew up on the island, but wasn't born there.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he went there for summers because his dad was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Went there for summers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what do we think is going on with the priest?
[SPEAKER_03]: John, you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we going to come back to that one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to come back to that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to come back to that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to come back to that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, uh, any final thoughts you want to let up before we let you go?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm looking forward to the rest of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good rest of your pod.
[SPEAKER_00]: Checking in with your hot takes will be back for the finale if you want to join then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, I will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, you're done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get into some character by character discussion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since we've all talked so much about episode four, let's start with Patricia, played by Kate Ophlyn, Tom's eccentric assistant is her character description, and she also on the side
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, which is how she comes into contact with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: What looks like a self-help book written by someone named Lucy Four, which I was very dense on picking up until I think it was David Mack pointed it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That it sounds like Lucifer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you asked John earlier, funniest and scariest moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the book is my funniest, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's a perfect encapsulation of
[SPEAKER_03]: the mixing of the scare and that because there's something very unsettling about that book is you keep reading it and you see just like the circle you're least favorite like I'm like that is toxic and it feels so funny at first but then you realize obviously by the end it's a very necronome con kind of a thing but also like what is your favorite what do you love about yourself there's two lines what do you not love about yourself there's like there's like
[SPEAKER_03]: You could almost believe that a well-meaning 1950s self-help, though, like something book, housewife sort of centric thing, would do that, would actually, innocently, so to speak, obviously, that's toxic, but innocently leave more space for your self-criticism.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, for me, best care, not obviously, but from that episode, too, it's the first time
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know when they're dancing, one of them in the background, you just see just what slack jawed open while she's DJing or dancing, and then gradually, then you see one in the mirror, and then you see them all, and I caught that first.
[SPEAKER_03]: not fully second stream watching that episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess caught that first one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a little bit creepy moment because it's very blinking you miss it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, would they're like, we're she's dancing in the circle and all there's like a flash of the entire circle around her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's thought about the fact, yeah, there's also like when she's giving the speech and you see the reflection in the mirrors, they all have their mouths open like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it makes me think, well, we'll get to it in a bit when we talk about Tom, but the tripping incident,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if there's any link there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, about Patricia, we see this book, one of the most low key creepy things is she's so into this book that the sheriff catches her on the security camera, just sitting there reading it, nonstop, unbroken until 4 a.m. You would think she would like even pee her pants then, but we didn't get any indication of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it even lit like yeah, she could be reading the dark, right, right, which is a trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a street light, but I don't remember where it was placed and if it would have been a good and reading light, you know, I think she was under like an awning or an umbrella or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, very, very odd, great, great moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she's like, you know, I said I want to believe her and we all obviously she's one of our favorite characters for obviously, but she does have a dark side too, because this whole thing where she wants to have this party, because she thinks it's, you know, going to fix everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but then she finds out that somebody named Bill Rooney's having a big birthday party that
[SPEAKER_00]: basically shut it down because they can't have more than 30 nonmembers at a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she shuts down this other rival party.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people are forced to go to hers.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Typical small town, you know, city government politics for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's that's kind of how I read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Parks and Rec for me where she was like, well, I have the power to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, she was getting pretty desperate at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: John said something like implying, oh, she can do no wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's definitely my favorite character.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do not think she can do no wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think in some ways, she's actually more interesting if she did makeup, the stuff from her teenage years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there is weird stuff on this island, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so
[SPEAKER_03]: an untrustworthy character who is behaving pretty selfish like like for all the success that this event might have been she was doing it because of wanting people to like her completely self-serving motives which is understandable and obviously moments led to some really terrible things due to reasons that weren't her fault but it I think she is
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, gray, whether we, you know, she comes by that honestly due to childhood trauma from the Mean Girls or childhood trauma from a demon or the bookie man, it's still not
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that we can't act like she's an unvarnished protagonist at all, I would say, and what do we think question on that note?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the first time she seems kind of like a straightforward, long-suffering assistant in the first couple episodes, but in maybe episode three, she gets really
[SPEAKER_03]: defensive and antagonistic about the fact that there is a attractive woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Tom was meeting.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we think the story?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that just for a girl crush or is it like feeling slight at all the time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I first thought, I first initially thought that she had a crush on Tom, has a crush on Tom, doesn't realize she has a crush on Tom, which she had a crush on Tom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but more and more, I think it just comes down to her insecurity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as the island opened up opens up to tourists and now we're going to have these young teenagers and these young women and the Bachelor of Parties come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just really
[SPEAKER_01]: digging out her insecurities.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we see how these mean girls treat her.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the ringleader Chris with the K. And there's a new one, Shelby, who seems to like her for a second until someone pours a drink on her and goes away, and then they're given the Shelby all the T about Patricia.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're inclined to
[SPEAKER_00]: We're inclined to feel for Patricia, but I wonder if, as we see more of her, we're going to understand them better, like, okay, so my question about the whole, the book that turns out to be some sort of like Necron, Necron, Nami, Kamu, whatever, some sort of, which is, what do you call it again, Dream War?
[SPEAKER_00]: We, when did the magic for that kick in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously Rosemary saw the actual headpiece and that she was actually like chopping up birds and stuff, when putting it in the punch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did,
[SPEAKER_00]: the other people at the party must not have because like that's the question when the mean girls are making front of her headpiece was she did they just see the sparkly little tiara or I guess or did they they must have seen the entire whole atmosphere on second watch I decided that it was the that the women saw the wacky headpiece that's kind of where I'm going
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, they're not laughing about how they horrified by it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I remember They were laughing about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were being mean and then I wonder like people wouldn't drink the punch, right if they If they saw like how weird everything looked like that if they saw that there was like blood in the punch or whatever dead animal bit right
[SPEAKER_03]: So when does the spell kick in?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you could be right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're selling me on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might just be the, the Tierra, you know, uh, uh, that is, is silly, you know, hashtag big bang theory and, um, Sheldon buying Amy the Tierra to make up for a fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she did actually get a bunch of people at that party though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those people were there, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they end up at the wondering over the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's a great question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where is the magic coming from when was that book just a gross black demon book from the beginning or did it?
[SPEAKER_03]: look actually like to another person who didn't anybody look when they were when when she was reading it looked normal when she was reading on the on the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do cameras capture?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a ghost incident we'll talk about later that the camera didn't capture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Rosemary was not under the spell.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Rose we could say well Rosemary didn't have the punch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's it's that simple or is there just something else while she was in the back room the whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: But whatever was going on there was not
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really weird, but it wasn't so horrific that except for her hacking up animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever, the Patreons, Patreons that were under the spell weren't doing things that were so alarming that she went to get the sheriff or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was just looking and going like, what's wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Something's so... Gosh, it's...
[SPEAKER_03]: It could have been kind of late that the spell really happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay, let's talk about Rosemary a bit, play by Dale Dickie, who was just, you know, saying, I can't do anything right today.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but she's actually like the most supportive of a person I've ever seen of Patricia here.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, it's just like, I'm a little worried you're putting too much into this thing and I don't know about that headpiece and it's the first time you watch, it's like this seems like totally normal, but also like everyone leave her alone about the spark of a little tear.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even that big, um, and then at the end, I didn't understand one word of that speech and you think it's because it's too saccharine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now I think she was like speaking in tongues, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree on second watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I picked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you asked me to be supportive, but I have my quums.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the sheriff comes in and he breaks his spell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you had your quums, like why is Rosemary so chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like the most chill character by far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's really interesting again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked at the top of this episode a little bit about age and time and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she and Wick, I think, are really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I see her as, I don't know how old she is, but she's definitely, I believe she's someone that sees everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all the curse stuff or things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, meh!
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe she's a witch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird though, because yeah, maybe she's a witch, because they're, yes, she's chill with everything, but she's chill with everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas like, um, wick is just dressingally telling the mayor, this is crazy stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's about to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's just like, well, yeah, and there's the seahag, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not distressed by this.
[SPEAKER_03]: She has her qualms about her coworker hacking up a bunch of animals and putting it in punch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she's not phased by any of this and maybe that makes her the coolest character ever, but it also maybe casts suspicion on her, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm for it though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's so we did some questioning in Patricia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have to say she's a real one for when this whole cove for the go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's all go to the cove for the bomb fire and they start walking into the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, get to to the sheriff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and she knows she wants to throw the book in the fire, won't leave her hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she actually sticks her hand in the fire until the book bubbles and drops.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she went into quite great lengths and she saves them and then, and quickly, that was a quick decision for her, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I would still be the person, at least for a few more seconds, trying to tear this book off my hand, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, Chris, she dragged that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if I'm going to end up liking Chris by the end she did all she did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I she not intentionally she was drug cursed in a way by the book the book Drunkter with Magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the difference between somebody being enchanted by a spell and doing something like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And someone having a mental break that causes them to dissociate and do that, like, functionally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Question for everybody else's experience, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The laws experience, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is the difference?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's the same sort of,
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, the difference is here that she was able to be snapped out of it, which I mean granted, like it was thanks to the sheriff who snapped her out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when, but the thing is, when she was snapped out of it, she immediately went to Great Langs and put herself in physical harm to end it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we finally get in with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We might need your help because in the episode three, she was, you know, as you were saying, she's all jealous of Marissa.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, and you're like, oh, you don't take every pick everyone up when they need help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he actually does stop and gets her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's kind of a nice end to episode four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Validation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who my favorite actor was going into this, though, is Stephen Root.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, who plays Wick, who, he's a official character description outspoken, believer of the town's supernatural history, but I have the impression he was the former mayor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does seem that way because Tom seems to insinuate, but that's why he's so angry or doesn't like him that much or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't saying I didn't pay enough attention to, in episode five, the conversations that he and Jerry at the historical society.
[SPEAKER_01]: Society, we're having to, so I think I might have missed some tiny little hints about who Wick, if Wick was ever a mayor or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was his conversations with Tom that made me think that we're going to say more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two things that didn't feel very New England small town to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Though I don't live in a small town in New England.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And...
[SPEAKER_03]: unpopular mayor running on opposed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this part of the country there's a lot of entrenched power like a mayor who's the mayor for 30 years in a row and no one ever runs against them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That kind of thing usually runs against him specifically the way these towns are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so this unnobody runs and this guy that nobody really trusts shows up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I don't know if there's there's some good ol boy who's dad was mayor.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be mayor in his ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing or all of
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, should this even have a mayor?
[SPEAKER_03]: This might be a town council.
[SPEAKER_03]: The small towns around here are like legit democracy.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, you want more funding for the school?
[SPEAKER_03]: Show up to the town hall on the Monday night and you vote for that funding.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there aren't even below like 20,000 people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody has, like it's Puritan town hall kind of stuff and a lot of these towns.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's more fun, I guess, for this to be a mayor, but it's a little suspicious almost that no one else.
[SPEAKER_03]: was the mayor because, you know, there are vested interests in keeping things a certain way in this town.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do wonder if, if maybe it's an undesirable role.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, he has been there since for as long as a son's been alive and his son is how old are we think he's on his 17?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: but okay so let's let's we're going to get back to wick a lot more because his story is really in twined with tombs but let's let's shift over to the historical society with the head Jerry um and let's talk especially well we'll come back to some of the other things she said up in her museum she's actually Loki hilarious but um
[SPEAKER_00]: The main core thing that I think is going to be the center of the next episode is about we talked about Hamish link later, it's going to play Richard Warren, the founder of Widows Bay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we might have already seen him, we didn't see his face, but we saw at the beginning of episode five a guy like grappling for those mushrooms.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the frozen snow, I think that was probably him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we find out that he was the first reef prime and lord island protector, which aka is known as mayor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's, this is like, Reeve Prime, I, I look this up like Reeve, that's not really a title I'm used to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I found this from Wikipedia.
[SPEAKER_00]: In Anglo-Saxon England, a Reeve, it was, old English is a giraffa, which is actually sounds like the Dutch word for count to be honest, so yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, was an administrative official serving the king or a lesser lord in a variety of roles.
[SPEAKER_00]: after the Norman Conquest, it was an office held by a man of lower rank appointed as manager of a manner and overseer of peasants.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if two questions tied up in this one, what are the responsibilities of a rev prime and Lord Island protector beyond the mayor's stuff we've seen so far?
[SPEAKER_00]: And two, if this is like a sort of vassal who is the Lord and is that what we saw showing up at the end
[SPEAKER_00]: And he thought it was on those.
[SPEAKER_03]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the T's is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we find out about Richard Warren also that he is a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so first question there, of course, what happened to wife number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But wife number two is someone named Sarah Westcott Warren.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know the museum has her journal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that she's going to be played by Betty Gilpin, who, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: True, Laura Hounds will know from Whitsacord again, the TV show that it's not a Laura Hound show, but I think she's in Klo, is she?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Klo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was in Klo too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's one of the leads.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm thinking about all I remember her from American Prime Evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when she wrote.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mrs. Davis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about Mrs. Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, anyway, so I think that it's work definitely like those are two big castings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hamish link later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Betty Gilpin, I think we'll be seeing them again and and to tease what in what capacity we see Wick go to Jerry from the historical society with his note that he found in Reverend Bryce's Rectorie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the note says, and we find out the note is from this journal from Sarah Warren.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the note says, I do not comprehend the nature of the curse that has fallen on the island.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know that its heart beats inside the cylinder that my husband wears around his neck.
[SPEAKER_00]: who will crush my throat, his hands, this plague, death comes for each of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I fear to me first, I know not how, but who, of course, he's here with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I say all this ingest and with that, I retire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, okay, we know that there is an only plague that happened was in 1702, but thoughts of Mark, how would you unpack this sort of,
[SPEAKER_03]: So we think this is Sarah's note.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's a game because it seems to be a page that was torn out of her journal that they have in the museum.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Richard has, they think the cylinders on his neck based on what that painting was.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we, what struck me, and this is no answers I have, but when at the end he's here with me, so I say this all ingest, is that she talking about death, or is she talking about her husband, and the gest is because he might be watching her, like it's a really strange.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It changes course.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the impression I got, mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that she's afraid of him and whether she's just afraid of him because, you know, he's a patriarchal jerk or if he's become something or has been turned into something or made that deal with a devil.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's afraid of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I make?
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I mention something about Jerry?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the first thing we see from her in it, I don't know, it might based on seven, you know, two timeline might relate to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: When the guy, I don't remember his name, but the guy from the New York Times or whatever is there, Arthur, she's giving him a little tour of the museum of his, and she says something like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and we took care of those witches or something like she said which we caught him burned him burned him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she she goes in the opposite direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's one of your first signs.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is very different.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a proud that they killed as opposed to the Salem witch trials is people are so not proud that it's the town of Danvers that were where they killed all that the the witches and they apparently changed their name from Salem village to Danvers to
[SPEAKER_03]: they're not present is that the same timeline?
[SPEAKER_03]: So is this like if you think of the Salem stuff that was what late to 1600s or early 1700s and is this a witch thing like specifically witch thing as opposed to just ghosts and demons?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean we have a few different incidents that go on throughout the years so I don't know that this is tied to that
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's a question about Jerry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did she use to date Wick?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I had that little exchange He's like, oh, your father never liked me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just like, oh, that's because you kept me out too late.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't catch the the like they were previously dating, but it just because everyone knew everybody on the island, you know, that They were like 16 and 17 and misbehaving like Evan and you know, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I want to bring up one other low key favorite character before we take a break and get into our main guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that there's a future episode coming this season dedicated to Bashir Clemens, the sheriff played by Kevin Carroll.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like, low key one of the funniest, another outsider, and we know
[SPEAKER_00]: He plans to be out of there by Labor Day because we, we and also WIC because he happens to be locked up for perceived drunkenness at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He overhears him tell his wife that they're leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a thing hanging over it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do, what do we think about the sheer Clemens overall?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he might be the most kind of normal person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what I think he's very relatable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he obviously has a soft spot like when he wants to go home to his wife and then he find out, oh, there's a noise complaint and he's like, okay, go shut it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, do you want me to shut down?
[SPEAKER_00]: Patricia's party is like, no, it's Patricia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fine, you know, like he understands this is a big deal to her, even though he's salty all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he very diligently took down the note about the seahag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right now my impression of him is just, again, someone who is not from the island took a job on the island, he and his wife thinking what a quaint little place for us to raise a family and he's like, oh no, this place is bonkers and they just, you know, again, he likes the people wants to take care of them, but this job in this town is not for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't seem like a believer in this supernatural.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he will see an arc where he becomes more of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he saw something pretty freaky with the drinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is let's take a quick break here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we come back, we're going to get into our main guy, Tom Loftis.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're back.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about Tom loftist mayor of widows bay play by Matthew Reese are you both I guess Lisa you are a Matthew Reese fan yes I discovered him on the Americans I love that show from the pilot on so I've been a huge
[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew Reese fan since then.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch some of him on Perry Mason, which was another regular role he had in the HBO series, but the press that he does with his partner, please help me carry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have Russell Matt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Kerry Russell.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, you know, just a hilarious, really cool guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that he's from Wales, but yeah, I love Matthew Rees.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a great actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So most people seem to know him from the American, are you a fan mark?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I don't think I've seen a single thing he's been in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like him so far on this, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched the American, uh, the Americans, is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I know about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't watched it, but I know him from, I have a softspuff from from a different show, uh, nonfiction show that he did with Matthew Good called The One Show, The Wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the two of them and like a couple others and apparently there's three seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've only seen the first two because then they took it off the streamer I was watching it on and Apparently the the Matt the two Matthews left after season two because I guess they're just too busy But it was so delightful just every episode would be exploring like a different wine region and different like quirk's about Wine products and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that show Yep
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Matthew Reese, especially on the Americans, his role as a spy, not a spoiler, but he and Kerry Russell's character definitely had to play different characters, to infiltrate or get some information from someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you saw, I saw Matthew Reese take on different personas and be silly when he had to be dangerous when he had to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm not surprised to see
[SPEAKER_01]: this side of his acting chops because we did see a lot of that in the Americans for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we find out that he has this this wife who he claims that she died related to childbirth, which we see there's something happened related to childbirth, but do we all think she might still be alive in Catatonic?
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently her name's Lauren, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: the wife, play by Meredith case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: After episode five, it seems like that's what they want us to think there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that doesn't mean something didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she could be she could be off island except that no, you're saying she's from there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't, yeah, I hold it out for more information, but it seems like the current state of the art theories would
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my, my guess is going to be the old house, but I think we're going to hear more about the old house, but oh, and so they had the son, Evan, who we've brought up before, and, you know, yeah, I said about the line where I thought he would shitty, but also you see, like, do we think PJ is a bad influence on Evan or do we think that Evan is a bad influence on himself, both yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did think it's funny that PJ said your dad's going to get his dick wet tonight, meaning he thought he was going to have sex, but then he literally did because they see how he exploded out right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I like that we see like the Tom also used to pretend used to pretend to ding-dong ditch wicks when he was that age just like Evan was he like got stopped before going into this house.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he seems to act the way that he does because he thinks his dad wants to show people he can control him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh my God, you have no idea how much your dad loves him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the first thing we see, there's an earthquake he rushes to his room, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we all see the entire time how people are always like looking down on Tom for not being able to control his son actually because he makes zero real effort to do so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Evan says, one of these days I'm going to leave and I'm never ever coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, that's what I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark, was it you or John who said this, that, oh, I guess it was John, saying his theory was that he's just afraid that his son's gonna leave and die and he wants to make it a place to stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why he's praying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please, so God, if you can hear me if you exist, please protect my son, I'll do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so he's not afraid of him leaving him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just afraid of him dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think answered him?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely some entity showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was a great fork in the road, if you will, making us think that, yeah, is it going to be a deal with a double and be careful of what you wish for and who you're wishing upon that kind of thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be interesting to follow that through the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is also a dark comedy, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it could just be somebody who could be Patricia coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I don't remember exactly who's where at that point, but this might not be anything supernatural at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could just be a person, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's weird though if they did that to have that be,
[SPEAKER_03]: uh, because comedy like horror is about tension and release.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird to have like a weak break and then the joke ends or like it feels like that probably would be mishandled.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have to sort of start the scene over again, but I think I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I wonder if this whole thing about being the reef prime, if a reef is a vassal to a lord, I wonder if it's like some sort of dark lord, like the devil
[SPEAKER_00]: even though he's fighting to God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the interesting perspective difference as somebody who came into this kind of knowing essentially nothing until I started watching it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, here I'm all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm seeing, I don't even know the lead actor, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know one of the extras when I saw her on camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I,
[SPEAKER_03]: Part of this, also, is like, I don't know that they've cast somebody to be the wife of the former Reeve from hundreds of, I don't know any of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, it's been hard as a sign, I've only seen them each once, the episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: was all I could do to catch up with y'all, it hasn't been clear that like, oh, this backstory 1700s part is going to be integral or not or it's just set dressing, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it is interesting and coloring, you're asking questions that I didn't even know to ask when I watched the episodes because, well, who cares?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just 300 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a comment to give color to the town, but like, no, there actually might be something to what happened 300 years
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise it's just sort of like a line on the show Bible that the writers were using just to inform the current events.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a weird
[SPEAKER_03]: difference in perspective, like what are we as the viewer supposed to be thinking about, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we supposed to be taking it seriously the old stuff or because I would be blindsided if the next episode suddenly was a full on flashback of the 1700s whereas now kind of tracking things the way you are, oh no, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do a 1702 timeline plague and witch trials sort of episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The key thing is that we have had so many various things seated and we will run through them quickly at the end and I'll obviously talk through more of them as we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we've had so many different things seated and some of them, like the bookie man obviously were getting more about that because that's been brought up so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: But are we going to find out this season what's up with the teeth references?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just it can be background like sat dressing a lot of these extra things But if there are future seasons which I hope then there's more room, you know, that's fodder for many seasons to come.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think we're obviously there's not going to be time to go into absolutely everything that they set up or absolutely every character whose name dropped or seated in the background
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I think that they are intentionally drowning us in details so that we don't see what's coming next.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't see what's coming next so much that I don't even know that I want season two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't, I really don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I like this show, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a somebody who has a problem with a like complete arc single season almost like a long movie kind of thing so if this leads to a good space maybe that's it like maybe I don't need all the blanks, but this could be
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Darry's mild spoilers like maybe next season is a different era and it's different characters like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: This could be almost an anthology.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need this character.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like them too, but what if they all bet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think this is going to be midnight mass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's actually a lot more richness they're seeding this to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love midnight mass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love all the Mike Flanagan stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always talking him up on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, same.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is envisioned as something that could end after the first season, but that also they're seeding all this stuff that I, if they announce season two, I'll be like, oh, thank you because I know there's so much fun stuff they won't have time to fit into the season because it has been well-paced and they've chosen well, like years where we're going to go deeper and here's where it's just enough to know the salty whales the nice restaurant and
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing where they did go deeper, but also seated at a whole bunch of other mysteries is that episode two, where he does the overnight at the inn.
[SPEAKER_00]: And um, yeah, just one of the many background characters who could get a future, like episode of Future Seasons to himself is Kurt, the innkeeper at the breakwater, who's obviously afraid of his own
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's the story there, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like why do you buy it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you inherited it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a story there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says like I'm trying to make it a living here, but nobody's staying there previously to now, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a money sink essentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a strange scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, be a bit of then again, it's like this building that's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, why does it exist?
[SPEAKER_00]: If people used to come to the island and maybe there was some prior scary stuff that's scared away tourists.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's been kind of a part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, they gave them, they gave Tom a checklist of things, you know, and he had to face things that had happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, well, first of all, I love that
[SPEAKER_00]: that took down the more provocative paintings, but left the one of a child, the one with a child in the sea.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the mother and the woman and other kids are being covered in waves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just like, the little bit with the honor bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, where are you going?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of surprised nobody has floated the idea of.
[SPEAKER_03]: like people including, especially the Kurt character as the inkeeper have finally grown to, okay, yeah, we want the tourists now.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to have the tourists now turn the power back on or get rid of the curfew or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: How is it like the sort of ghost tourism thing not come up like, no, this, you might be worried people are going to die, but I want to make a lot of money off of advertising this hotel as haunted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get people in here every night.
[SPEAKER_00]: With Arthur Lloyd, the journalist, he said like, and I was saying the same thing, you know, Arthur Lloyd was being snippy about Salem.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Salem is tourism wise, extremely successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you tell us it's haunted.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will show up and, you know, right, so then you're on to Choto.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arthur Telstom don't go that route, you have a really great town, you don't need to use that gimmick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's obviously it's not a gimmick in this game, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what's hilarious though is not to make it about me and my musical experience is all the time, but Salem also has a really annoying curfew.
[SPEAKER_03]: book us a space in an artist studio and we would just set up and basically just play an outdoor show on Halloween or right around Halloween and good luck finding parking in Salem as chusets on Halloween.
[SPEAKER_03]: But two years in a row we would get shut down by the cops at like nine PM.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, this is Salem.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's hundreds of people watching like just wandering around in crazy costumes and you're shutting down the like Salem can't handle a noise violation at 905 PM on Halloween night like so it's totally I can imagine the town hall and people mad at the mayor about the curfew just like this how are we supposed to make money and and my you know we're playing at this shop
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, at this artist studio, that's trying to sell a bunch of stuff while we're playing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we're basically doing them a favor almost by entertaining the crowd while they buy expensive chockeys and like, the store next door's advertisers.
[SPEAKER_03]: We sell human bones.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, what is this story with that?
[SPEAKER_03]: But, but literally, they're shutting it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a curfew, but their show no can't have any fun after nine o'clock on Halloween night.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, even Salem gets around.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this definitely comes from the locals.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a similar thing in Amsterdam too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in my neighborhood, there's a club that was for a while, one of the most popular clubs in the city.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure the status now because I'm not as cool as I used to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's been fighting with our neighborhood for the longest time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I live fairly close.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never ever hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember like it's always state is fighting to stay open because there's people who are like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but I hear the music, you know, and I have kids and stuff, and I'm trying to be like, oh, then it totally makes sense that you live next to a club in the middle of the city.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anybody who chose to live in Salem, Massachusetts any time after the 1850s or let's just be generous.
[SPEAKER_00]: after the crucible was written like like 1950s if you chose to live there you expect that Halloween at least will be a little bit different than what it might be where I live or in, you know, a friend right here's the thing that I would expect to see if this story continues through the tourism stories once it gets like because Amsterdam is absolutely over-touristed now in general and that's like since the fights with the club and stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there really has been a problem where it's like, like, even my mom came to visit during the summer a couple of years ago and she's like, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really gotten intense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I could see this being a future storyline here that if there's that tension between wanting to make the money from the tourists and also not wanting the tourism and the tourists to take over your whole town.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think Amsterdam, Salem, and then this town, similarly both have the odd distinction where the tourism is also for a sort of
[SPEAKER_03]: backhanded compliment kind of negative like, oh, Amsterdam, the liberty in city where you can go and have sex and do whatever drugs you want or Salem, the city where they murder people and they're going to dress up and kind of not trash the place, but you kind of disfurned the place when you go there for Halloween, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like people going to a place and showing reverence to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to the place and almost.
[SPEAKER_03]: loading over and looking down on it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like and that would happen for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like a patronizing element to the tourism of this community that would be maybe questionable, but really lucrative for the guy who owns that in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so go getting back to the in first of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love he's watching him on the camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like fill out the form for the Like the ones you think took it if Williams and I real, but he can still open the because Wicked it a terrible job Bording it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: He still puts anyway these small details, but Lisa's since you brought it up Do you want to run us through what is the list of scares that he's supposed to check while he's staying overnight?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the tons people are going to make Tom spend a night in this in and they've provided a video camera so that they have proof that he went through all the superstitions and went to the creepy places.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, to stay in the captain's suite is very daring, so he's asked to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting because what's happening to him in the room when Tom is staying there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Curtains keep going open and closed as he's trying to block out the lighthouse that's coming through.
[SPEAKER_01]: My first initial thought was, well, that's why no one's staying in that room because of that annoying lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, madman, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Madness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, and then the ungrateful, hortense fist share, but then also Oh, yeah, there's black mold in the room and surprisingly since they're probably never going in there to clean it to so cetera Yeah, I like that a lot of these things have like a logical explanation and so you're like, oh, but anyways, sorry keep going up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: So also on his checklist is Hortens Fitzgerald, so it was an ugly woman who fled her wedding and fell out of window.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the superstition is her reflection will be summoned by anyone who says ugly Hortens three times.
[SPEAKER_01]: but that was really funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he does do that with a video camera on, doesn't see anything happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think both have indicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is something about reflections.
[SPEAKER_01]: for sure, you know, what are you seeing in the mirror?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you seeing behind your shoulder and the window?
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a New Year's Eve party in 1962 that was a major disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do have Tom hearing that party through the air vents in his room, but check that one off the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember who John Reynolds was, but his head got chopped off in the dumbwater.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, that's one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just teased and we didn't really find anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he visited the dumb waiter, you know, and if anyone listening saw Hokem, then my memories were getting confused there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that I opened here that movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear such good things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, of course, the clown killer of 1951, and we've talked about Tim Bolts' volume, but they Tom is dared to go into the crawl space that's in the basement underneath there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that kind of ends the episode there, because at first, Tom's like, nope, not doing it, goes back upstairs, but then later decides,
[SPEAKER_01]: by the you know Williams persuasion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just go ahead show him what's up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just go ahead and go into the crawl space and then finally the dead man's closet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember where that was, but we see him go into like a pantry closet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, a pantry closet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he has to stay there in the dark for 10 seconds or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Tom's just going through his checklist, going through all these and to your point, he definitely finds logical reasons for this, but he gets a little stock in the the crawl space, which brings us to William the other guest at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's I mean, we see like these are all things that are only teased except we hear what sounds like it could be a New Year's Eve party going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hears it through the vent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get the clown killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he wakes up as if it could could have been a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do your thoughts on all this Mark?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Well, I'm thinking about like the stories in this hotel, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And does the clown killer of 51?
[SPEAKER_03]: exist as a human being.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they maybe dies.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said it was willing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he dies there or something because his ghost is still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ghost is still there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it looks the dead body that Tom saw next to him was wearing the same shirt as Tom himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like, it's one of those things where these things that are the legendary like the captain's suite.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's apparently a human captain that did a thing, but is the human captain, an alagostor, is it not that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: The captain doesn't have any needs due with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like the sort of the shining thing where like the ghost drove him mad to do this, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like what exactly is there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is still very unclear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we know there's some, there's,
[SPEAKER_03]: The clown there or there is a evil force there that is projecting the ghost of the clown right and so we really don't know at all and I think what I like about this show and maybe it's the part of you that would be okay with one season is you could just leave it at that like we don't know there's something weird here and it I think part of the fact that it's episodic in in the scares where like
[SPEAKER_03]: The house is not a part of the C.Hag episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: The house is not a part of the Necronomicon episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: That it may just be left like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there may not be a grand unifying theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it would be nice to have some things that are connections, but maybe not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might just be this place is this place is naughty.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot of ways in which it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, let me ask you, rank the four games that we see from most likely to least likely to play and the four games are Daddy's home, which we actually see them playing, so we know a little bit about the gameplay there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She shouldn't have said that, another board game.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see open teeth, which we too see has big pliers inside and the card game run where it's not yet,
[SPEAKER_00]: which are you most likely to play to least, and Lisa, I'm gonna ask you the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, she shouldn't have said that, would have intrigued me first, so I'm sad that we didn't get to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was puzzled by chief that one is the one that we're all definitely talking about, because there's just something, I mean, there's no dice, there's nothing in that box, so that was pretty terrifying, but I really enjoyed the,
[SPEAKER_01]: the run, run, it reminded me of episode four when she's going through, um, Patricia's going through her party planning book, you know, serve the punch, serve the punch now, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, but I probably would have wanted to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: She shouldn't have said that, followed by daddy's home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Daddy's home is kind of the most disturbing to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels very have a piece to the 1950s style self-improvement book, that just the sort of non-shalant way that approaches the subject.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really remember any of the other one.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just like you see the box or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, teeth is the one that disturbs me the most because there's just a giant set of pliers inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is the game pulling out your own teeth because I don't know that I want to see that one come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also just the creepiness of the run game run like you can just see coming back and something where something's coming up behind you and I don't just write.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something's telling him to run any.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any last thoughts about the in before we take our last break?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how they shot the final scene when William comes down the stairs and we only see him from like the waist down as he's talking and then he kind of lowers and lowers as William kind of gets to the level of the crawl space that really freaked me out before he realized he was a clown.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I thought it was a cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was where I started liking the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I didn't dislike the show in the first episode, but I just really didn't know what to think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt the voice in that episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, they're doing a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The comedy is not unintentional.
[SPEAKER_03]: The comedy is intentional.
[SPEAKER_03]: The scares are intentional.
[SPEAKER_03]: I sort of got what they were selling.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that I feel like it's very, did this drop is two episodes or just the first?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, just the first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you like.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we drop two.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's an excellent way to do it because this episode sold the show a little better than the first.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't dislike the first, but I really like this first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: we should say also next episode next week is going to be two episodes again dropping at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if it's because one will be a flashback and then one will continue in the current day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my current thinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first one might make people quit the show, so they need to have a second one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, and they wanted to go play certain time.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's take a quick break here and we come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the C-hag.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we've already talked a bit about Marissa, his ill-faded date at the driftwood diner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Question, do we think she looked like his, she looked a bit to me like his wife?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think she's intentional?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but the reason as we said that he blew that is that he thought she might be the seahag, who I love that the sheriff wrote down old woman, possibly damp.
[SPEAKER_00]: faster than an old woman should be and then we learn from Rosemary.
[SPEAKER_00]: She scratches you and follows you and we learn from Wick that her scratch makes you tired and then she kills you by sitting on your face.
[SPEAKER_01]: my favorite way of Stephen Roots scene for sure as he's explaining the you know the lore of the seahag and sings that little ditty and like well how does she kill you and she goes oh well she you know she sits on your face yeah guys
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the song and I don't know if Enson Trag is going to come back or if that's just because it rhymes with C-Hag.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we learn from the song that she's a trickster, shapeshifter, we see her take his wife's form when he makes her tired and then tries to go after her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to exchange with Rosemary, or sorry, with Patricia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got scratched by an elderly woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, was she in her 40s?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he told her she was too young, too old in her forties to be chased by the, um, by the boogie man and as a woman in her forties, I felt that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Mark, would you based on the evidence lock yourself in a chest for 72 hours or would you just count on your recliner
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the lazy boy did him a lot of favors there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the C-Hag scenes specifically were one of the better mixes of comedy.
[SPEAKER_03]: To the point that I didn't know, that one obviously, that was played for laughs.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when he first sees her on the road, that ends up just a scare.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the beginning, I don't know if something hilarious is about to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're building up.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see this old woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: She turns around, you're like, oh, this is something creepy, but actually is it just going to get played for laughs.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that one isn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then later, when she tries to sit on his face and then gets flung off, that is played for laughs.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's almost like an anticipation of
[SPEAKER_03]: not just is this going to be scary, but is this going to be maybe funny?
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, you know, that leads my question an hour ago of just like, does, is that actually scary?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was that disrupted.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's subjective for different folks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought this one was fun, because this also felt very monster of the week, almost in an old school ex files since like the C-hag probably won't come back, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, but maybe not.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's part of the lower.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw her in that book, The Witch Book.
[SPEAKER_00]: the grimoire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Had poking out of the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked what Wix said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, the fact that Wix shot her and she dissolved into sea water is one of the most concrete, because there is so much question about like, could a certain things just be a dream or the mold or whatever, and this seems feels concrete, or at least they're sharing
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love that Wix says, he says, why is this happening in Wix says, I don't know, you just survive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, man, isn't that just life?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's when I also felt that things weren't entirely in someone's head, that the fact that he
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, wick shot at something, which then went, you know, and they're like, oh, okay, these are real manifestations, but they're not manifestations, but something actually physically is in the space with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, and then there's one last major chunk of plot we have to talk about, which is episode five, the, the trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we, we meet Tato Connor, played by Chris Fleming, who is a local drug dealer known as the Shaman, who is Patricia's former classmate, and she, she got cut off there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, Tato and I went to school together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, and then Tom's like, yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that also suggests a deeper history there that may be revisited or not, but he tells them that those mushrooms we saw probably the founder grappling at and that they found in the reverence stuff that they're called, they're like black mushrooms, like a greenish tint, and they're called true sight, and they only grow on the islands, so there's some mystical mushrooms,
[SPEAKER_00]: And some guy named Brian Brai Guy Morrison took them and now is like seems fairly comatose and just keeps tracing his hand over and over, which is exactly what happens when Tom accidentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the worst thing again, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you've drunk the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's told, do not look at any mirrors will last 12 hours and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what Mark, what do you think about the way this trip plays out with like the blackout, sin the sudden freaking up and weird situations?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have to say, I was to the point of like wondering, oh, are they going to ride the line between supernatural and logical explanation?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was nervous when this started because I'm like, oh, come on, that's like a lazy way to make
[SPEAKER_03]: chemical altered and drug-addled mind and they really show tons of restraint.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he lost time, he heard sounds, but he wasn't having like a, he didn't see the pure imagination scene from Willy Wonk on the chopper factory going on, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was pretty subdued and I think that was really good because
[SPEAKER_03]: they could have kind of ruined some of the the viewers I think a perception of what maybe is really going on because they've really been landing on the side of this is supernatural.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's something supernatural.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I like that they didn't and as we get out of it we have these weird things at the end happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: it's, it's all much more about how he's perceiving time and his, his sense of location as opposed to ghosts and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I actually really ultimately liked how they handled it.
[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of halfway through the season, like not showing us too much stuff that then we kind of have to just ignore because he was just tripping, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that they didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wonder if this reminds me of, have you heard about like this Urgot poisoning that can happen to, that happened in the past to, for instance, wheat crops and it made entire population start hallucinating together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they think that explains some things like the people who wouldn't stop dancing and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do wonder and putting that on the table is a place that they could go with this, but I also I like anything that we've seen I feel like and especially with this episode with all the gaps we have the potential to go back and see things filled in like for example we saw Tom
[SPEAKER_00]: like saying to Patricia like you haven't been promoting this party enough and then we get the flashback or we see like how that must have cut her you know like you have no idea how much she's been preparing for this party and I think I wonder how much we're gonna get of that with episode five where we'll go back and see from other people's perspectives what Tom looked like
[SPEAKER_00]: like like that, especially, okay, so he has that meeting, he wakes up in the middle of this meeting of people who are upset because he wants to have this 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. curfew.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what about the fireworks, which do happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: They just do it anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he snaps to next, he's alone in that empty room and he's holding a marker and written on the board is when I turn
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then also the whole thing, well, if you give me a paint brush, I can tell you everything you need to know, even though he's holding crayons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So apparently the crayons don't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they give him a paint brush?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did like, is it just the hand thing he keeps doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time he says that, um, he messed up the convenience store, the school convenience and gas with Atlantic gas coastal, and she says for his Mary says, don't move the car again
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to see any of this stuff play out or you're like, that's, oh, the wrist leash.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about the wrist leash was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: He yanked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what was Patricia was really funny in this episode because she was very,
[SPEAKER_01]: patronizing, but she definitely was in like babysitter mode here Tom hold your organizer and he's a senior organizer and you know, she's the one assuring him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take care of it and go back to your drawing Tom and you know, and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I really enjoyed her.
[SPEAKER_01]: doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then again, with don't move the car again, Tom, everyone's just kind of treating him like he's a stone kid at 17, you know, just has a few more hours to go before the high wears off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think, Mark?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you done with this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you hope to get more of the gaps filled him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Either way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we need to like fill the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to speak, I think references to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the feeling that time is leading us no more
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, either way, but like, I was struck by how much Patricia sort of let him still lead his life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he was being insistent, but she let him sit down in front of the down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that is, you, if you are taking care of your stone 17 year old, you are not letting them, like, go to school, right, or go to work like that, like, because we're, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and whatever is going to happen, he's not going to be able to handle it in a way that he's going to be happy about the next day when he's back to normal, you know, and Rose Mary just going back into the convenience shop and doing her scratch-offs after he's wrecked the place and been driving her car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way Tom lunges for his shoe when he broke the aisle and I'm sure he doesn't realize it, but someone has broken in the refrigerator section and poured out and broken all the milk and the summer one clearly him someone clearly him most likely because the clerks mopping up and he and Tom is like oh my lofer and that
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark was like, no, no, get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Tom, like, fiendishly is just like zooming in on getting a shoe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how scary did he, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, I'm pitted and go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, say, how scary did he look when he was like, when he's waiting, he and Rosemary waiting when his son shows up with his friends and he goes around, like, nose pressed to the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It reminded me of, I just recently watched the new movie of Session.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's even creepier how she does it there, but it is scary how he looks like some sort of like demonic fiend to anyone who doesn't know him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was thinking like in the same way that his misfire date with Marissa sort of from a plot construction standpoint served to get him out of the
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if what this actually is from a structural standpoint could be a way to if sideline him for an entire day while who knows what else was happening, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we know that we see little fits and starts around town, the town meeting, the office things.
[SPEAKER_03]: but there could be things that happened in that day that sort of their significant consequences to the fact that him and to a lesser extent Patricia were kept away from and we could kind of see kind of the ramifications from that even as soon as the next episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it's anything like even just that one evening with the sunset cocktails and all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do find it interesting when he gets home.
[SPEAKER_00]: He finally starts vomiting, which seems late into the process.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know people always say when they do Ayahuasca, it's one she starts vomiting that you start really seeing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when he has the visions of his wife being pregnant and then leaving the island.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how we see that, you know, she, she,
[SPEAKER_00]: went catatonic on the ferry.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole scene where Patricia is trying to help Tom throw up when they realize he's the one he's taking mushrooms.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tom's like, I can never make myself throw up and she's like, shoving her hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have let her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, so this brings us to the lingering questions like we haven't even really talked about like there's so many more characters they can get into like what's up with Ruth his elderly secretary who only works like two hours a day and is the worst babysitter in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I want to see lots more from Jeff Hiller as Dale, he just his reactions to everything a perfection always love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Reverend Bryce carved into his desk my eyes open.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know he was tripping and that he heard the bells that are chained up.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that all about?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's got to come up.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there's so much room to expand like these locations or like Kathy has Nemesis from Drift, it's just like a random thing thrown in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these other side characters like the bartender at the tavern and the coffee shop owner and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention the weird random details like
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys notice in the first episode when he's flipping through this wolf calendar, and suddenly there's a truck wreck, yeah, and he looks back, and I wonder sometimes if like these weird details are planted by spirits or something like that to communicate things, if the real or if, you know, just in his head or if it's a ghost yet, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that aspect to the early episodes, because it lets there be a slow burn of the horror and the comedy kind of like, because you really don't, like I said, episode two is when I felt like I understood the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm supposed to be creeped out or chuckling at the Wolf Counter, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that is in the first episode, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think it's well,
[SPEAKER_03]: like structured in that regard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those little details are often doing double duty.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like absurd and unsettling, not just unsettling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's other, like I kept pausing and reading everything I could in the historical in the museum.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's another article about a man mysteriously found dead by his horse or there's another time where they zoom in on the lobster hut.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, that's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe they're just like seeding potential future things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we've already, we've talked about the witch trial, we've talked about the C-Hag.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't talked about the fact that opens with this mysterious fog.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people compare this to John Carpenter's, the fog, which I haven't seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we hear, this is another date, 1846.
[SPEAKER_00]: So later, after much after the founding, the fog that stole souls, eyes turned white, loss of five senses and delirium, loss of erection of Patricia's life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they still trying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then the Revenants, uh, or zombies of Doom Sailors show up, and then we also hear 1873 the SS Mary and crew had been missing for 62 years and then crashed into the rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure I understood that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, there's no selfish reception.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that just answers all questions in the future about when scary stuff goes down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I may be most intrigued and hope we find out if we do get this founding episode that I'm hoping for.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing about there's 42 passengers embarked by C defined a settlement they could call their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jerry insists 43 passengers embarked and Tom says, I think it's a little early
[SPEAKER_00]: it was a harshest winter when it was Bay history so yeah that actually somebody died on the voyage or something like but why is that like a big story if somebody can't be to you just somebody fell overboard right yeah it's something that because at that point he's still very much trying to downplay the dark past yeah to Arthur right yeah so
[SPEAKER_00]: And then my other, like, top mystery is, yeah, well, he says, blank canvas, totally empty island, and Jerry says, except the teeth, and that goes with that teeth game, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what's with the teeth?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, um, other outstanding mysteries are that those apparently whaling stuff, including a father Albertus who was eaten by a whale that quote came from nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: They article about it says there's an article about cannibalism in God's house in 1786.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this deadly storm where they got locked inside and after four days, eight each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole old hospital thing, the boron on the island thing, the chained up bells.
[SPEAKER_00]: A father Bryce also stumbles around a spooky well in the woods like is that a thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: All the in stuff we talked about, and then that brings us to
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's the boogie man that I think we're going to have to hear more about so far what we know is that he had been going around killing teenage girls Ted Bundy style and that's when they tried to shoot him dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: He apparently didn't die, Rasputin style, and ended up being buried in concrete in his house's basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we see Evan going up and trying to knock on the door there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when he's kind of relieved that the sheriff shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think about?
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite interactions was when the sheriff saved, quote unquote, Evan from going in, and Evan says, can I just yell fuck you pig for the girls?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the fuck you cannot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he seemed to, he seemed to laugh about it every walk away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then yeah, what do we think is the under the driftwood diner?
[SPEAKER_00]: We see, I guess it was like the first episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a deep, oh,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a chair with straps pointed at a metal hatch door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this like a sacrificial offering set up?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that first episode is very kitchen sink.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the fog.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the straps on the chair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just a little bit like everything is going on in this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would be surprised if that doesn't come back, but also it totally could come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was kind of like a taste.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's that that was so pointed that must come back, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the whole central thing even that first episode, it's the fog, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The fog, the fog, the fog, and then the fog's kind of not been a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we haven't seen the Revenant yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like that was going to be the show that the show is there's this fog that does stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And nope, moving on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we might still see the zombie sailors.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anything I wouldn't be surprised by almost anything, and that's because of the whole Atlanta Pedigree of what were the other shows that that we said were very very exactly like very very is really interesting because without spoiling anything
[SPEAKER_03]: Barry is very comedy in the first season and by the end is very not comedy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very serious and heavy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's still got a little bit of that, but it turns really.
[SPEAKER_03]: Coach, I know that that can take radical shifts towards really serious at times too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah incredible writing, but yeah comedy that gets dark.
[SPEAKER_03]: So me knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well we we have five episodes left this season and episode six and seven release on the same day as we said there's our history directed by Thai West who people might know from like the astrology with me ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then see sickness directed by Sam Donovan who also did the episode four we all love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, then the following week we have episode eight, your baggage directed by Andrew to Young, who directed episode five, the tripping episode, uh, and then the last two episodes both directed by Hero Mirai, um, released in separate weeks, emergency shelter, and we hope you enjoyed your time, which could be a season finale or a series finale.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's only a season finale personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any last thoughts about these first five episodes?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sitting here thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really the only mystery that I really want to think about again is really about what happened to Tom's wife, Evan's mother.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there's one thing, I would like to know a little bit more about it's not so much all the lore and the history and the scaringness of the island.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, how did it affect Tom's wife and Evan's mother
[SPEAKER_01]: relationship there.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is Tom really protecting him from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, Mark.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why wasn't this a fall release?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's right in place during the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess it's just so I'm so unused too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will fight anyone who says New England show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone, like all these people who are like, I only watch scary stuff in October.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're one of them, and I know we have others.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like scary stuff is for all year round.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm glad it's a summer horror.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it takes place in the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess you if it's trying to be sort of Salem, but if it is up in Maine, it's already way too cold in October for tourists up in Maine, but yeah, cool looking forward to the rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, um, we've got lots of other stuff going on in the main lower-hounds feed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although actually we are in a bit of a lull between the heavy coverage, but we did release the Punisher special earlier this week and next week, beginning of the week, you'll get a mando and grogu episode from John and I, and then Sputter, Nguar drops on prime on and prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not a Disney plus has you might expect because it's Sony.
[SPEAKER_00]: It drops May 27th, so Jean and I will be back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think probably the following week to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a binge drop, super cast and Patreon subscribers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, of course, has always get ad-free access to all of this plus your special May episodes are open-flame cooking just went out for second breakfast, and I think it's going to be death of Stalin winning for 11's this month, which I'm excited to see for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: I never mind the music.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: We just, this week, released an episode on System of a Downs toxicity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in a very about a sort of turn, we have a guest next week who's actually a music therapist talking about essentially like hacking your mind with music to guide your emotions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got a mailback, we just recorded a mailback.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that'll come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got Luther Kendrick Lamar's tune Grammy-nominated Grammy-winning.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and we are already planning what we're gonna do differently for season three.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like our end of season coverage, we've got some cool stuff in mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've already been talking to some other lorehounds about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, check us out if you haven't already, folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: And properly Howard, they just surprised with a coverage of the first four episodes of Wittows Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then do also check out my own Wolfshift Dust podcast where we just released the first section of the Dune Book Breakdown and a deep dive into the first trailer that was released for Season 3 of Silo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast through public episodes coming soon, but I am even concentrating on episodes for the Canon Patawan subscribers over there who just got an episode diving into the lore behind Rada the Hut, who is in the new Mandalorian and Grogo Movie, and will now get another episode with a deep diving into the lore for Embo, the Bounty Hunter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a great conversation, and thank you so much for your perspectives on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will we all be back for the finale?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone enjoy your holiday weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a holiday in the US, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to have some people over for drinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go prepare the punch.
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