[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with cork, Dax and their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a lot and I'm saddened to think that we are almost
[SPEAKER_00]: towards the end here, at least a closer to the end than we were at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't even say that, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe we've gone through these episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've almost finished the fifth season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, seven seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was reviewing this when I said, wait a minute, this is almost the end of season five.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really did creep up
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was an amazing adventure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing adventure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've learned so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember though that feeling as you got to like the end of season five shooting the series?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we typically thought, oh seven years is what they did back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I remember around the end of season five as we started going to season six.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my gosh, you know, it was two years of filming left,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's as you're feeling, then, what were you feeling at that point bittersweet, I think, you know, I think excited to move on to other projects and try other things, but also there was a lot of security and comfort in
[SPEAKER_00]: in having a study job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there wasn't security for me because I was in the midst of negotiating my contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not negotiating my contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a lot of trepidation, but I must say at the end of every season, up until the last season, at the end of every season, Renee and I would have a quarrel about whether or not there would be a pick-up for the next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sit from the very first season, I'd say Renee, it's going to be seven years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And we would go back and forth, and even here at the end of the fifth season, but we were still arguing about whether it was going to happen to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Carmen, did everyone on DS9 renegotiate season 5?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did everyone do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know that at the end of season 5, a group of us, I don't know if I should name names or not, but a group of four, let's say four people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All banded together to renegotiate as a unit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the four of us banded together and we got a sizable race because it was a unit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always better to work together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're sure strength and numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's jump into some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, our first birthday is Sarah Thompson, Sarah Bean Thompson.
[SPEAKER_01]: May 25th is your birthday happy happy birthday, Sarah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sarah happy happy birthday, May 25th.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very good day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, SBT.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next up, we have Caitlin Burmark on May 25th also.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday to Caitlin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn congratulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: You share the birthday with Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, happy birthday Caitlyn have a great day Our next birthday is Heather Selig on May 31st.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Heather.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heather.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Heather.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, we also have on June 1st, Marie Bergoyne.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Marie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marie happy birthday happy birthday Marie another June 1st birthday is Ian Ramsey Ian happy birthday Ian happy birthday to our local bar happy birthday to you Ian and also PJ pick June 5 happy birthday PJ happy birthday Happy birthday PJ
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, poultry synopsis, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another satisfying lemuric.
[SPEAKER_01]: They woke what should have been left a sleep and instinct that was buried quite deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Violence was uncaged.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrix darkness rampaged.
[SPEAKER_01]: But our character is much more than skin deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good job, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is an interesting, just from a lesson the moral aspect from just the characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, I really like this episode a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think your second stanza is superb.
[SPEAKER_02]: An instinct that was buried quite deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about that darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, no, completely.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just the way you frame that word at that, I'm so impressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is, I'm going to give this like a 9.9 in terms of if I was rating your lyrics, this is one of the top ones for me by far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it gave me goosebumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, here is my high coup for impact nor mission for salvage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cardi death team on the loose.
[SPEAKER_00]: chief defeats garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: You chuckled it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You chuckled on Cardi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All righty.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also a G. Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: At a Mology from Armine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I searched the dictionary.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no word called empath.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The door was just too easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I decided to write a poem and stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are lucky today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how lucky we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't aspire to your brilliance both of you, but I did what I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Garrick and O'Brien go to Empopinore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of scavenging, they go to war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drugs and savagery are the reasons for an episode leaving me craving more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know say right now any time you want to scrap at a molecule and jump into poetry for us, we'll take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're all approved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind, you're very kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Job bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's less nerve wracking to look upwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I can imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the poetry, you're gonna put yourself out there a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a Patreon submitted poetry winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna take it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, this is narrative verse submitted by Jason Oken.
[SPEAKER_02]: deep in the shadows of a long abandoned core, where darkness hid what had to stay entoomed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The prey became the predator of war, when poison claimed the mind that once presumed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hunter and the hunted share one face, when science gone awry erased the line between,
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, Jason's very professional.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's a lawyer by trade, but this is good, that's very creative stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have a Patron submitted poetry, Honorable mentioned for Hiku, and that is submitted by Matt Edmunds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Matt, the Hiku goes like this, abandoned station, and experiment gone wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think each experiment went wrong?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they abandoned maybe because they left those guys behind because they couldn't control it or for whatever reason it was too much or they just left them there.
[SPEAKER_02]: the death of the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who wrote this, Karen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hans Bymla.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to speak it with a German accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hans Bymla is the one who wrote this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Story by Brian Fuller, directed by Mike Vehar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very well directed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very well directed.
[SPEAKER_02]: agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd like Mike.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guest stars, Andrew J. Robinson, his garrick, Aaron Eisenberg, his dog, Tom Hodges, as Bishetti, Andy Milder, as Bukta, Marjan Holden, as Stolzoff, Jeffrey King, as Amaro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say Tom Hodges who plays Pashetti.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, was best friends with my childhood friend, Carmen Thomas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew Tom for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom's a, he's a great guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it was just fun to see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know he did any Star Trek, so I was saying Tom was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we would have been in season two.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, he could have been walking out of makeup and you could have seen him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that a crazy thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you had no clue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember this is now I'm going back to my bad memory, but I really don't remember seeing Tom.
[SPEAKER_01]: It surprised me when he came out in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun to see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this is the first episode of Lower Dax.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time people who in Lord Dexter are in my heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Showcase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our Lord ex-episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say as soon as a bunch of new people started talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's but they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gold is the new red instead of ordinary as a new black gold is the new red.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, a little bit trivia in Brian Fuller's original pitch for this episode, the story involved warf and garrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: They come across a derelict ship adrift.
[SPEAKER_02]: It turns out to be a vessel which belonged to the obsidian order.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is littered with bodies and as they attempt to work out what happened, garrick turns on warf and sets out to kill him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuller compared this idea to the 1978 film, Blue Sunshine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the original pitch, then it got kind of, you know, move maneuvered around a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hans Bimalist first draft of the teleplay for this episode did not feature any of the various exchanges between O'Brien and Garrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: This draft was not popular with the entire cast and crew, according to Andrew J. Robinson, quote, after I finished the first draft, I thought, oh, I felt the writers were intruding on Garrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never could have done that first script.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were vacuums.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was nothing in my character.
[SPEAKER_02]: It made no sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Similarly, unimpressed was irisd even bear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quote, I told Hans, this doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even close.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no character, no meaning.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a series of events, and none of it makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bimilar returned to the script and composed another draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time adding much more depth to the relationship between Garrick and O'Brien, and also bringing O'Brien's background as a soldier in the play.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so that came out of the dissatisfaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me, that's a huge part of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what drives the entire episode, correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is fascinating to me who spent seven years on Deep Space 9.
[SPEAKER_00]: Andy, as well as everyone else, had access to the original script.
[SPEAKER_00]: That never happened for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I never.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nor did, and maybe it just me as Mr. Brooks once said to me, you're too beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, and I never sort of said, okay, we have to change this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I once said, did one, so I thought it told that story many times, but I am,
[SPEAKER_00]: gobsmacked that Andy got it script early and was able to complain about it and ask for changes to some changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did that that is you see you learned something every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, but also from what I've read it's it could be that he he got the advanced script, which is again rare the first draft read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: said those thoughts to himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did not, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was actually Ira reading that first draft and he was the final say and said, hey, you know, Bimler, you need to change this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't, I don't know if this quote really explain, it really is hard to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to know if he said anything about it when he read the first draft is what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, that's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because for an actor, just yeah, for an actor, especially with all due respect to my friend, Andy, who was practically a series regular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, for a non-series regular to have that power.
[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly never had it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, just, is, uh, start like my group.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's also surprising to me that the script got through, you know, studio notes,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's often a director would get a copy of a draft before the actors.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would have to have time to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to
[SPEAKER_01]: before it even got to the director, much less the actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, but it sounds like the process at one or more points, people had concerns about the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they did because those concerns were addressed and it's a better episode because of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorite episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorite of all of your shows so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because of my gay heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made it into a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also feel that and I read somewhere that Andy was a little tentative about playing this role because in it as we know, some killing happens and his breakout role as the 1971 dirty area film where he played the Scorpio killer and that really affected his personal life in terms of how people dared him how they, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It it caused until there was a job on a soap opera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: It caused a lot of people to think of him only as the Saudi Accular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and uh, he had problems with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: People may not know if you play an iconic and iconic role, uh, oftentimes you get pigeonholed in that role and you can't get any other work because people just remember you that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that whenever I would go to
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he really, so when he saw the script and what he had to do, he kept feeling, I guess it brought back memories of what happened in 1971 that that PTSD of the post post work PTSD that happened then.
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of brought back up again in this episode in the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and knowing Andy, he wouldn't want to redo something he'd done before.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that he didn't want to visit those emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's simply, I'm not going to do the same performance again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, one last piece of trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rock Lofton does not appear in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like a pattern this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of series and I think Drake's been out of more episodes of this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is strange because there are more episodes with long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to get heavier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we start off in quirks and DAX, Worf Kira come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: We hear a jackhammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no customers in the, in the, there are some bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: The morning is there, morning is there, morning is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, morning doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are some others.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some others.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are very, very pretty empty pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember gentlemen, what would happen to more in the prior episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was naked and screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing bothers him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's yeah, he needs a drink after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why he's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he hit me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised I served him a drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why, he should be banned.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should be banned.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's good at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially with a lot of customers that he's the last.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, beggars can't be choosers.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jack hammering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how you try to pretend he didn't hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what noise?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that, that's, that's not going to go Brian repairing some conduit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll get used to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Frank here's supposed to hear really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And too much noise can be very upsetting as you can understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's got to be problematic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, at the end of the scene, I actually do put a miss with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw you react to some of the Jackhammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it sounds like a jackhammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: They decided to go to the Klingon restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog comes in, Quark asks him, you know, how much longer, and he says, you know, not too much longer, but he needs two root beers, which I thought was adorable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since we've never seen a Brian drink root beer, it's surprising.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting in the next scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go in the conduit and he didn't bring the root beer's back for him or because he did because he drank them both before he got off there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go in the condo with the rupiahs aren't there and I don't see a jackhammer anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So where was that noise coming down there got a little tools I was like that was a little overkill on the noise it was I was expecting like hard hats and you know cement everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, Nag is helping Miles fix a condo with.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's right on top of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Miles asks for something and Nag has it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like they're done and then Nag leans back, like two construction workers kind of relaxing after a job and the condo would explode with the smoke in their faces and they're just wiped out in a cloud of steam or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and may I say the first perhaps of many wonderful shots by Mike Veyer is the pushing I love the pushing on the two of them starting from outside of the of the Jeffrey's team and just pushing in on him then I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't comment on that shop because there's so many shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was every scene had a had a nice transition, had an opening move or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of fans that go across from one character in Nux and next and then eventually end up on the person who's speaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really well done.
[SPEAKER_01]: we go to ops well speaking of shots here's one they're walking we're not an ops the camera is in in uh... the captain's office but they're outside in ops and it's panning through the window you know getting a bit of a walk and talk outside the window and then uh... we hear that miles wants to go to and park nor
[SPEAKER_01]: this brings them into the room, just beautifully done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't just start them standing in front of Cisco's desk.
[SPEAKER_01]: He started them on the move.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had some geography and some camera movement, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway, Miles wants to go to Emparknor, salvage some parts, so he can fix this Cardassian ship because they don't, they don't have any Cardassian parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says, well, you're probably going to want to bring up Cardassian to the station because
[SPEAKER_01]: They booby-dropped everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: The standard card-axing procedure is the booby-dropped of facility when they abandoned it and there could be surprises.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you should bring a card-axing because they are specifically keyed to attack only non-card-axing ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to need a card-axing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who could that be?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who could that be in the office?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did did you remember Cisco saying can you replicate a new one and a Brian saying no Cardassian Manifold's user beta matrix compositor?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't recall that line at all because they're entire time that I'm watching this episode I get thinking why did they just replicate the parks?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do they go to Emperor?
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he said it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: He replicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss that entirely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel badly for all the actors in this episode because there's more technobabbo in this episode that I can ever remember from any other episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, they're constantly doing engineering team at terms.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and the, and the like.
[SPEAKER_01]: And column had some long speeches of, you go do this to the this and the this and the this and this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys go do this to the this and this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, Colum.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, he learns his lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we remember he learned that they have, so he's like, oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we go, we go into the air lock to another nice transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes right out of Pishetty's back and reveals O'Brien and Garrick in the air lock.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he could have just cut to a two shot of them standing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's got this, um, this reveal with a blocking, um, and then it pushes in on a Brian and Garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's a beautiful opening shot and this shot, I don't know if you guys were aware, it's a oneer for a oneer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is a oneer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes out of Prisgetty's back reveals a Brian and Garrick talking about Garrick volunteering.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, how do you know, I didn't volunteer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Garrett admits that, okay, the captain bribed me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He offered me a much larger space for my workshop and the latest Dressmaking equipment is very bulky.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they start talking in the airlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: They walk into the run about, still a runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: This shot goes on forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary notices that everybody's being nice to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said pretty soon, they're going to invite me to their homes for dinner, a branch like, no, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll worry, I'm never inviting you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep talking in this runner that hands off to Baca,
[SPEAKER_01]: Sitting on the runabout.
[SPEAKER_01]: He overhears them talking about the booby drabs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shot continues still one shot Yeah, it was back in the airlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the red shirts all talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pashetti's very excited We meet Stolsoff and Amaro the security officers that are coming with them They're not worried and I did make a note with Amaro that I like Amaro in a cocktail.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a delicious decor And so I was happy to see his name
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so we meet the red shirts, and I'm going to call them red shirts because I knew immediately they're talking way too much for strangers, going on a mission, they're going to die for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I can't believe that was a runner.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even notice that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was, I was gobsmack and how long that runner went on through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And often, runners can feel, I don't know, like they're there to give you suspense, intention, whereas this runner was just an incredibly elegant way of covering the scene without shooting coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was,
[SPEAKER_01]: between the blocking and the camera moves, it just went on and on and then in a seamless way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it also adds to the pace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think by not having any cuts, it adds to the pace of the scene and and you know, the actors were moving a pace and and so it all it all worked for me that already, I'm beginning to feel a mic bite, they are in charge pushing this episode along as quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with wonders that long though, it's a little nerve-wracking because everyone's got to be on point.
[SPEAKER_02]: If one person drops their lines, start again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be a really long process of some people aren't focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: Though we find them a little later in the run about their en route and Garrick and Nog are playing some game called... What is the name of the game?
[SPEAKER_01]: Zikotra?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Potra?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick's interested in this when Miles killed a lot of Cardassians.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wasn't sure what was going on about other than he's just curiosity, like he's never ever brought this up before with him, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we hear about something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, but they're going to a Cardassian station.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure Garrick's connection to being a Cardassian is being, you know, triggered, triggered, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: probably dozens of Kardashians in this battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a hero of this battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: A regiment, it's somewhere in the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says, a regiment of Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Gary says, we all know you're distinguished war, war record, you know, how you led two dozen men against the Barraca encampment and took out an entire regiment of Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of people, so he was clearly not the miles we know, the engineer who just fixes things.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a soldier, miles ultimately says, no, I don't want to play you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to play this war game.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shuddy comes in, he's got a list of everything they need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also he's got some souvenirs on the list, which I thought was an interesting little character detail.
[SPEAKER_01]: that this engineer guy just loves souvenirs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It plays to the mindset of the stereotype of an engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that they're all sort of slightly nerdy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a stereotype, not the reality, just a stereotype.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, just quickly, a modern regiment typically consists of 2,000 to 5,000 soldiers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, he took 12 guys to take out thousands of soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think our show once got awarded an award for being the bloodiest show on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: We killed so many people on our show and this being an example of just one thing about it, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a little later on the run about Nog is driving guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: What Nog was flying this long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, can everybody fly?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you flown?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hired a shuttle, but I wasn't at the control, so I was sitting in the captain's chair, but I wasn't at the control.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Nog is running the show here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's driving the ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do see Empalk Norfer the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sideways, which I thought was a really cool look.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn they can't be mover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog volunteers to, Mons says, let's go to the upper pylon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go in an airlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog volunteers, but Gary says, no, you can't do it because I'm the only one with the right DNA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to go in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're talking about the booby traps.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of setting up this this ghost ship sort of tone.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we're talking about this scene and Nog's participation in this scene, suddenly occurred to me, why is Nog in this episode?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he advance the story at all?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's some lovely moments with Aaron and he does a very nice job, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he in this episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm confused about what Nog's apprenticeship is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he, you know, he's still like a debt, but is he heading down a engineering trap?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he heading down a command track?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he heading down?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in a security.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his role.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's part of security.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that in the last episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I think that, I think his internship changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it changes from one of his participants with another different departments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, and it's, but what happened was he was assigned to engineering to follow in this phase of his internship.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's following, O'Brien models.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, O'Brien is now sent to recoup those, because they don't know their death squad is waiting for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just think they're going to go grab engineering stuff and equipment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's still in the same internship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess that first thing that he was helping my friends in very beginning, yes, he is now my assistant for this phase of his internship.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I validated it at least we don't know going back as you know to when Aaron shows up for the rifle and you stare for the trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from from Columns reaction, we don't know if this is the surprise or this is what he expected.
[SPEAKER_00]: What Columns expected.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and and that's that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I asked myself why is not in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's is a lovely color.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can he helps with comedy and he helps with the tension.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but it was a logic of what the logic on him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forgive me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why pay an actor to be in an episode where he's not really needed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is definitely a small, you know, ding on this episode for me is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did feel a bit confused of what Nog's role was, and moments he felt like Miles' assistant handing him tools at other moments he's walking around guarding the perimeter with a rifle in his hand, which feels like security.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really sure what his assignment is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but he's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron doesn't in great very good job and he's growing as an actor in his at Ferengi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very happy to see what they did with him as a Ferengi.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but I asked just now, but just before I asked the question, he occurred to me, why is you there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut inside this airlock and we get our first feeling of this haunted house from Mike Vahar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a weird floating
[SPEAKER_01]: shot you hear creaking sand in the dark in the dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love writing on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here are banging.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see Garic in a space suit, which by the way, those spacesuits, I think were built for next gen for one of their movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of the next ones are first contact maybe for first contact then you guys use demand DS9 and I wore maybe the same suit that Garrick is in here I wore that in an episode with Roxanne and I floating in space the same exact
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, health fits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so you recognized it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it had his name on on the Uh, but he hits a few buttons wakes up the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The power comes on the chamber really shot at the lights coming on the So cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even a little detail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say when the lights come on in the stasis chamber room.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's video monitors
[SPEAKER_01]: And the video monitors come on, but they fritz, they have like snow and then they sort of settle into some, you know, normal look, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was something that felt very kind of retro and, yes, you know, it's horror movie or, you know, it was cool, it was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Stasis Chambers come to life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So does Cardassian, though, is lying in the Stasis Chambers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see a close-up of the eyes opening and he's now awake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then they run about docks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut inside a hallway, I guess, or the promenade, maybe of this station.
[SPEAKER_01]: and garrick welcomes them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're coming off of What about docking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're coming off the run about from the docking entrance whatever that is
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic welcomes them to empoc nore and Miles assigns the teams in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a big techno babble speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: He assigns the teams into must-tavs could do with and would be nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it would be me, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as he was dividing up these teams, I was like, oh, they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing the people we know together and the people we don't know separate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're going to die which by the way is not a bad thing that we're anticipating the death, like, like, nearly as maybe it's not a bad idea to kind of know, oh, they're the tropes of the sacrificial characters that are, yeah, so then you're even more.
[SPEAKER_01]: nervous waiting for how are they going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are they going to die?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't think anyone was going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought people were going to be injured.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think if you were going to die die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they died.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love coughed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know my world about coughing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all should do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the sheddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Maro anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You cough.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like this montage of all the teams moving through before Garrick finds the go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great montage, like often we've seen montage on Trek shows back in the day and they're pretty generic and they don't really move the story for very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's set up this.
[SPEAKER_00]: gave the ship a personality I thought yeah what was the go to you guys it was a good one I first saw it just go later on I sort of knew where it was but it's it's the it doesn't make sense actually but but it's the serum that that the soldiers that are dancing so soldiers
[SPEAKER_00]: on a stairwell as opposed to an injection, a liquid because one would assume that they were injected with the serum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to it being something substantial that could stick to a stairwell, which is how, which is how Garrett touches it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the infection point right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he put it on his hand and then he suddenly starts
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts itching his hand, and then he starts itching his neck, and he's spreading.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't like consciously make sense of this before, but now that we're talking about it, it would have been better if that goo was inside one of the broken chambers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he sees it, you know, because then you would have bought, oh, it was goo that the pace that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would feel connected to those like maybe in the broken chamber.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember the broken one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's investigating that and touches that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it would have been better to be connected because being randomly lying on a step of a stairwell, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because and that's why I didn't know what it was at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I have to finish watching this episode, I still didn't make the connection until Armand said, That's the stuff that made him go kuku.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I got there, but I actually prefer it being something we don't know what it is because I didn't realize it either until I saw this episode a second time, but then I put it together.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like the fact that it's just something he picks up, especially after O'Brien is told everybody don't touch anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but they do go into the infirmary, the empark nor infirmary, they see the stasis tubes, Garrett lifts up a lid, he sees a skeleton, desiccated corpse of a skeleton there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're lifting the lid.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bottom of the lid has the blue gel on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been a better place to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to put that goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Bocta sees a regimental kind of ornament or a metal or something, a badge, a badge, a badge there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick knows this regimen.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Garrick looks around very smartly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He clocks that
[SPEAKER_01]: that this activity on the stasis tubes is recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's been something happening recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary is a smart guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a smart character.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bokta notices the regimental badge because he knows that Bashedi is going to be so happy because Bashedi is someone who relaxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The collector he's an collector of actually all these type of military badges and emblems.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves this kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get him killed later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sees the flag.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're on the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, but shuddy, we go out in a corridor, yeah, this is a Brian working on a coil spanner, he needs a flocks capacitor, he's working on something in the panel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at that more technical.
[SPEAKER_02]: Draw a, you just said, Flocks capacitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Flocks coupler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Flocks coupler has to be a time machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta get, you gotta get the techno battle right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, but I thought this, I made a note to myself here.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I already feel like this is the best shot making I've seen in DS9.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I made that note.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Vahar is off the charts with the way he's shooting this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is still early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't agree more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: The showmaking is extraordinary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he took, he took a very familiar set.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the promenade and the rest of the station.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they're very spooky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're using our said is there's no doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a real rest of your set, but the reason I was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and he shot it in certain ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw the station in a different way than any other director has ever seen this degree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it was any other director, this episode could have gone south very quickly in terms of percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we could have been like, well, that's stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that doesn't look right, but oh, everything in here was so suspenseful, such a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kept us guessing all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No clue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Nog forgot the flux capacitor for God that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to run back to the run about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after he heads off, Garrett calls O'Brien and says, Miles, can you come down to the infirmary?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something you should see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I made a note to myself, why does every character say this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain, you need to come down here with something you need to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just tell the white hair, just tell the white hair, just tell the white hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody goes like when you get that call in Star Trek, you're like, okay, I'll be right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one ever says, well, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: They all say tell my way on my way on my way on my way.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one ever questions it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Star Trek way, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just tell them, come and see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should come down here and see this on my way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because nothing else to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, maybe that's why I made the note because I was like, wasn't my old saying let's get this done and get out of here like quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and now he's abandoning this thing Yeah, I'm just not like I'll come to whatever it is you want to show me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he heads down and then we cut to the airlock where Nog has gone to get the flux Coupler not capacitor
[SPEAKER_02]: And we see the DeLorean actually moving away from the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you see the time machine floating on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does see the run about, though, kind of drifting out into space.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then suddenly it explodes, and I'm much credit to Aaron Eisenberg and his line really, really, that's not right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought there was he could have fallen into the trap of making it
[SPEAKER_00]: Which God bless Aaron he didn't do.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did this very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so grounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: So natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's he's a he was a good actor Yes, he was but she never believed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's too bad We had a lot of conversations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, we go to the back to the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole team is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like Perchettis line when he talks about these Cardassians that woke up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all getting informed about the Stasis Chambers and that there's Cardassians running around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perchettis says, well, you know, they're motto, death to all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's definitely starting to feel like a horror film at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: The security team is not scared one bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a little cocky, I might say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe we should call them or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very cocky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried at all, which just reinforces my theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amaro kind of jokingly says, well, maybe we should send smokes signals to get out of here because I try quarters don't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Miles says, wait a minute, it's not a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he technical babbles his way into we can do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he sends Pashedi to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Pashedi's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did think Miles is a very steady boss in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And generally, I liked his cool, his calm, his pace that Column gave it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether he's in charge of a team or not in charge of a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always steady.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always cool about things.
[SPEAKER_00]: He never, he never overacks, ever, ever, ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was very good in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked I liked the way that he kept it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It almost added to the suspense and the horror movie tone because he was he almost went a little more grounded than usual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slowed down just a little extra because he had to remember the technical battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's probably O'Brien saying those the directives.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, Shetty, you go down the habitat ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stilt's off, you go with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, Ty, you realign magnetic flow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amaro, you watch his back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically oppressing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, Shetty, you're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck Ty, you're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna die, you're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone get to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's exactly what that's in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to cargo bay and Garrick and O'Brien are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick doesn't think that Stilt's off.
[SPEAKER_01]: was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't think that that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also noticed his hands were itching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't it be already itching it there?
[SPEAKER_01]: He started itching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to watch this again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good tracking for Andy to start little stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is here, a little
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog decides while garrick and miles are talking, Nog decides to go check the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's checking around some of the cargo containers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I liked the fact that the conversation continued off camera while we were with Nog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was quite brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that happen before.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever will see again.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just love the bravery of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine what women thought when he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that's brilliant and I'm never seen that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what it does is it tells the audience that these guys aren't paying any attention to Nog and Nog is eat all by himself and in danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because when you see him looking around, you hear the conversational off camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you see that there's a Cardassian trailing knock and you're like, Oh, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's all by himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that was the biggest, no, no for me in the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a small, no, no, but it's, it's, so the franghi art.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I said earlier, in our podcast, can hear things really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're, you're, you're going to tell me that he, not didn't hear someone entering that, that space?
[SPEAKER_02]: He would.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially since in another episode, a little further down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gary, here's someone moving around and he climbs.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're not going to tell me that that not didn't hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just a little no-no one I went.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well that's I had it hadn't occurred to me, but you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he should have heard that.
[SPEAKER_00]: work on should have been doing something else or yeah and all these doing is is moving the gun around and it's strange the moment it happens to all the security people the moment that they have to move or talk that they pull it back to like this as though oh oh I'm out of danger now as opposed to you know holding it you know
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny, it's sort of like, guns out, now my line, now guns out, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my line, now my
[SPEAKER_02]: close call there for nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're at the promenade, there's the engineers, um, well, it's just one engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: One engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a slight problem for me in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really get the differentiation between who was security and who was engineering.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually I got it because the the security is carrying the guns, but I didn't see the different differentiation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is the, this is the one time where gold serving is both security and engineering.
[SPEAKER_02]: is problematic in a way of separating the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was hard, even from the beginning, it was a bit hard to tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that great one, or we talked about, because you just see the four of them together, and I wasn't really sure who was who, I thought they were all engineers to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason I started to meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe in that one or where they were, I've forgotten how you say the Bollyance name,
[SPEAKER_00]: But when he went back to talk to him and said booby traps I wish then it could have been it could have been Delianniated then who was who was security and who was engineer?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might have been the chance to do that and you know there may be some other chances But but anyway that that was a slight problem for me who's got what job?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've got one engineer per shuddy here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got one security still soft.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's working away when they hear a noise of above, a turbo lift door opens, nobody's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he questions their security.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, is that thing aimed at me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, wait, you know that there are people out there that have to kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the gun on safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the safety on your body of all your forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: security 101.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great suspense beats.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go over and flank the door down below to when it opens.
[SPEAKER_01]: They count one, two, three.
[SPEAKER_01]: They jump out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of that is no dialogue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just Mike Vahar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's music.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the suspense of
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember director said to me once, he goes the key to horror or suspense is, you go, I'm going to scare you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to scare you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to scare you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, I am or something like that, but I was like, oh, yeah, it's the setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where we're at here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there's a noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to scare you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go over.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look in the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They decide to split up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Security still stuff goes upstairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He heads back to work very tentatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his light in the dark, you know, that dark hallway, and then he shines the light up and he sees a plaque.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does he say?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: He gives us gives us shadows of of the car gas,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he goes to grab some kind of insignia plaque or something off a wall and the glass panel is shattered as the cardacity and dives through, which that's very unusual for search records to kind of have these glatt like have that kind of practical, you know, crashing through a window.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it scared me, did not expect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: The insignia is in a glass case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it's in?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's another piece of glass next to him that he comes through.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little confused.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think insignia is just hanging on the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look to me like, like, something he was going to go take the insignia off the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a plaque or it's a...
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mounted to the way and pull it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the glass case is next to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the Cardassian crash comes through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know the logic of it, but I liked the crashing glass to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just scary, you know, and unexpected.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Stolsoff up above, here's it, she calls to O'Brien, but before she can tell him what's up, a second card acid grabs her and throws her over the rail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two great stunts in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that looked nasty, the fall from the arrow over the rail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good stunt work there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles comes running, finds Stolsoff's body, and Pishettys remains.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little time has passed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bokta is freaking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's scared to death.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles says, we got to get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we've got to split up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't, we're not going to get off the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bokta's sort of panicking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles says, okay, I'll send Garic with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: and garrick refuses, and now he's getting really itchy, garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's itching his neck, scratching his neck and so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Amaro draws his gun, I'm garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick says, I'm not, I'm not going to go with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got other things to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amaro puts a gun on him, miles kind of, says stand down, let him go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because he says, I'm going to go, my plan is to go after the Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hunt them down.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's his plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is how he played the game, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he say that when he was playing that board game with Nog, like go on the offense, be aggressive?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, caught right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic invites Miles to come with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks about what you're a killer too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love this little thread.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is what they were talking about adding to the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why don't you come with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: A few cardees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He uses the derogatory name for Cardassians, you know, Garyx kind of bait baiting him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What Garyx is saying is you're like me, I have these feelings inside of me and and Miles is saying, no, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in a sense, this is what the writer's to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they're saying is humans have the capacity to not be killers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may have to do that in war when your soldier you do things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have the capacity to say, you know, that's not like us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are there lots of episodes actually?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're aliens like myself, we'll say no, this is what humans do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this episode, it's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I got is that we, we all of us have that dark capacity, darkness to industry, all of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether you're a Cardassian or human or Vulcan or whatever, we have these things inside that are potential for, for darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Miles is saying, no, I can, I can overcome that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly the combat and he does he does all the way through the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Garrett goes to go on the offensive and boxes says, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel much better for some reason now that I know Garrett's going after the Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a little hint that, okay, maybe we're gonna get out of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is gonna work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut into Garrick trying to get the computer to give a access to what's going on here where these Kardashians might be and he's just getting denied over and over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Access denied access to night.
[SPEAKER_01]: A great shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick's back is to the camera and the camera's wishing in behind him as he's going access to night, access to night and then it wraps around.
[SPEAKER_01]: another beautiful Mike Vahar moment that could have just been cut to a close-up of Gary right it's right but instead you feel the energy of his urgency and his desperation and pushes and wraps around and it's great, great, great, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is also a point where I felt that Andy did a such a good job with, because the lines are just very basic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Access denied is what he's saying over and over again, but just the way he said it, gave me that sense of something's happening to him now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's about to, he's losing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really is, it was so subtle, but still very, very good job of Andy Robinson in my estimation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he clocks the sound of the Argasian nearby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that cocking of his head was awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like I'm ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he clocks the sound, but he also takes a moment and thinks strategically what he's going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you say this thing access to the night access to night access stop, but it's so creepy at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's starting to get very creepy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we cut over to this soldier who's sneaking in, comes in, looks around no
[SPEAKER_01]: Stasis Chambers in the camera plays this all out in one shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's looking for clues.
[SPEAKER_01]: The soldier, but he doesn't know where Garrick is.
[SPEAKER_01]: He passes the one of the Stasis Chambers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly, Garrick pops up with a gun in his hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: looking for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's great, shoots the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he looks at the weapon and he's like, I felt good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just that line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what you're talking about here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, something's just happening right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the cargo bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did notice Mike Veihars.
[SPEAKER_01]: he's he's kind of set up a pattern here of the way he's transitioning and shooting scene to scene so he's starting with people moving there's always they're doing something so the camera's moving so here you know naga's moving through the cargo bay he's talking you know why why does Garrett keep bringing upset like three hands-off-to-miles
[SPEAKER_01]: great shots, great shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's talking about satellite three when Gary appears and says, Oh, don't be modest.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did a lot of killing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Miles mentions these doors were locked.
[SPEAKER_01]: How'd you get in?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a noxious that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or noxious that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Noxious the doors were locked.
[SPEAKER_01]: How'd you get in?
[SPEAKER_01]: and Garrick says, oh, secure is just a relative term, which I thought was an interesting exchange of like, you're not secure anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: You really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of yours are here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Garrick talks about he took a tissue sample of the soldier.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just killed one of the soldiers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Took a tissue sample and he finds out that they've been giving this, given this, uh, psychotropic drug.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is designed to amplify the Kardashians, xenophobic tendencies, and he guesses that maybe they were trying to motivate their troops to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: more vicious fighters or something, alter soldiers, which then reminded me of the analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not the analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not the analogy at the parallel.
[SPEAKER_02]: During World War II, when Hitler asked there, I think, one of the pharmaceutical companies in Germany to come up with a drug that would make their troops fight like berserkers and he said, this has got to be the most fierce fighting
[SPEAKER_02]: group you know ever so bear was like okay we came up with it here it is and they gave it to a test group of soldiers and they came up with the opposite formula instead of being aggressive and angry they were
[SPEAKER_02]: all about love and just, you know, not fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what they came up with was NDMA or ecstasy is what they came up with, which is now that, yes, which is now the drug of choice of euphoria for people that are going to raves and music festivals, whatever, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of being these, that's what they hearty's needed.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: The hearty's needed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Need a little bit of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit of the MDMA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just hug it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just hug it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's what I was thinking about with that the experiments that were done for Germany when I learned about this bit, but what kind of through me was how to gear a Keftime to a take the tissue sample go to a lab analyze it like he did all that shows up, I mean, I was in the infirmary that's where those cases did all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, that makes more sense than I think it was all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: how wonderful the garrick a tailor knows how to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: How wonderful is it that the cadet nog can pilot this year?
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that fortuitous?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we know garrick is a lot more than a tailor.
[SPEAKER_01]: That part didn't surprise me, but nog piloting didn't surprise me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice at the end of the scene miles goes, you look different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something about something a little bit quite the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles can see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to an empty corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my favorite, another one of my favorite shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it starts with Bokta and Amaro in this tableau, this like symmetrical tableau of Amaro pacing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you see Bokta's legs down on the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then it sort of dollies through a wall as they continue talking and gets to this little slit where you see boxed down on the ground and then suddenly a hand comes into frame and itches and the rack focus to the foreground beautiful opening shot suspense full telling a story not just
[SPEAKER_01]: and they at your hand was garrick, who's now sneaking around, maybe going to kill our bolly and balk to and his buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: My cocktail.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know that yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't know that yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it feels that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels creepy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels creepy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Box is telling us a story about a suit that he got from Jared Garrick, which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet he got angry at Garrick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he should have done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how the only good Garrick is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you would have sought that anybody on this station, especially on with Federation.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would have known?
[SPEAKER_02]: They would have known the rumors come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I shouldn't have yelled at him and gotten so mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The conversation continues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amaro's talking about how Sto's off was his friend and how he underestimated her when they were the Academy, they were sparring and she basically knocked the wind out of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this conversation goes on while the tension is constantly building.
[SPEAKER_02]: as the second soldier is now sort of kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gary C's and others soldier there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of hides the soldier gets to Bokta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Bokta asked for a he asked for the flux capacitor, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's when he turns, that's when a model turns away from Bokta.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when the cardiac has come in strikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And basically just pull, I think what he does is he pulls him out and just stomps on his neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of the next, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as he's straining, you do hear the cracking of the neck and he's done this right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it looks like to me, Amaro, the way he played it was that he was a deer in headlights.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was frozen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that when he's standing there and it was actually, it's a slager.
[SPEAKER_01]: The soldier is about to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett kills the soldier shoots him in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why didn't the morrow shoot him?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, moral security, he should have a moral holding his gun at him, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's one was up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he just turned and he's like a dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's gun was up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I think I'll have a correct maybe gun is up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but a morrow did play at sort of like a deer and headlights like, oh my gosh, it really like he's never been in combat before in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So and that's possible, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he may be on deep space tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would have been in through the ringer already.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, why is he deer in headlights like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But then again, the story we're not going to take off.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had his gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he put the gun down to he had the tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had the Flux capacitor because they were right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe because then we have to take it right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes more sense because I probably it looked like to me that he He held that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're if he turns around he's holding the flux capacitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like he's holding the weapon If it's like a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is a weapon because Garacombs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, but that was a shocking moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eric, stab him like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like you realize, oh boy, he's it's jekyll and high.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought at that moment, exactly what I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The monster has been released.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to miles, tries to reach them, but can't reach them back in a quarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amaro is lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: lying down dying and there's blood coming from Amaro's mouth and I was like why is it coming?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that too and I thought well, it's internal injuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, blood is coming through the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes happens is that blood will come at the mouth even though the wound isn't from the mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just internal injuries and the blood's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad it makes sense because to me it was a little like did he punch him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's bleeding from the mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tells miles that it was garrick that stabbed him and then he dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not just doesn't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why would garrick do this?
[SPEAKER_01]: But miles is on a mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: find him and protect ourselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the infirmary miles puts it all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this drug, not once the reason we're send a message or do something, and miles says, no, in the Ferengi culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ferengi don't kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this may be the first of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this may be the first of this idea bubbling up in this episode and and so i thought yes nogs instinct is not to kill your enemy but negotiate with your enemy yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting, because he says that later, he says, is he dead as if it's that would be horrible?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just because you're talking about the lion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying at the very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very
[SPEAKER_01]: like even there he's questioning it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That that was that that knowledge that Franky's don't kill is it's important here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh back in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Miles has put this together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the drug and, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles says, you know, we need to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to act like Garrick said, go on the offensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to think like your cardazzy and Garrick was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to kill Garrick if we have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So often they go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do we really believe that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, at this point, Garrick is a series regular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we're not going to kill Garrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but it's so cool that, you know, O'Brien says, okay, we got to be like that caughtry game and go on the offensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next shot is garrick finding the caughtry board in the Empok Norke Manders Office, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when he gets on the, that's when he gets on the, what I was going to say, the microphone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when he starts talking to O'Brien saying, I found something here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're never going to believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's, and again, it's so creepy and he's just going through and looking at the pieces and again, it's so well, it's so well placed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where, you know, that's where my friend Andy becomes like the zodiac killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he draws upon whatever that is inside of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went, oh, yeah, I've seen that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he didn't want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he didn't want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he didn't want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's nice because he's kind of toying with miles and talking and miles and nog are now in the offensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we interact back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get to the commander's office.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think that there's going to be this big confrontation and finally they arrive and they split up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine says, let's split up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go through ops and the main entrance and I'll go in through the captain's office.
[SPEAKER_01]: and wait for my signal so they come in and Garyx not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not, they've been talking to him this whole time, but suddenly he's not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we see the door shuts and miles is stuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's a force field, the door shut.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a force field that will keep him from opening the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Garyk now has a nog as a prisoner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, this is an unexpected turn.
[SPEAKER_02]: He speaks in Kattra to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gary says, it looks like I've captured your last piece, Chief.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go back, you're going to have to take it from me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely the game becomes a bigger metaphor for Shin this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I bet it was in the first draft of the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the game and Miles set like three story line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That probably was the stuff that got
[SPEAKER_01]: built up later on after notes and things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we go out to a corridor where Garicus tying a knob up near the promenade.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not tying him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some sort of rubber band around the ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, where did you get that, um, but it's a, it's a rubber band, um, and it's not saying it's like those meloddy bands.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not, I'm not saying you didn't restrain him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that does restrain him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going, where did you get a rubber band?
[SPEAKER_00]: giant rubber band.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like a, like a, the, the, the, the, the roadrunner cartoons, where it's the Acme break glass in case of emergency break glass in case of large rubber band emergency, you need that and that's what they found it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Miles is telling, um, Gerick in this part of the scene, you can fight this, fight the effects of the drug.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the drug doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's embraced it by this drug.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he even says to miles, you're a killer, too, admit it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like they're trying, you know, this idea that we have this in all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the part of the story that the writers had amended after the first draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's this this idea that there's a killer in all of us, except in knock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, except
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bottom line is that he he he toys with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He bakes basically makes the cotter game into a real life cotter game with because it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted he wanted to play miles of cotter in the beginning before he's infected by the dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this is a be so challenging.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's literally playing a life game of Katra against O'Brien where winner is a live and loser dies, and And he says, okay, so they finally agree to meet face to face on the promenade with zero weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said nope no weapons no weapons sure We're not gonna have weapons and they both have weapons of course
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the entrance when Miles came into the promenade with the body's hanging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost some horror movie like the victims.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the audience now or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that too is a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess they must have swung the bodies in so that the camera didn't notice them at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's all a wonder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the bodies just, you know, one thing just, you know, and then he sees the others as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the only part that I had a little bit of a nitpick on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt that instead of hanging them off of a beam where there's their upright, it would have been more interesting if they were upside down hanging from, like, rafters of the different parts of the second level of the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have got my union rip.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably why they didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they do finally meet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually they both put their weapons down.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a hand-to-hand fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic is winning this fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles is about to die basically when Miles hits his combat and ducks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the weapons that he put down with his tricorder and his phaser explodes right next to Garic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Garic is knocked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not dead, but not down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he says, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a great line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is an answer to the idea that we have discussed in the episode that discusses, which is that there's a killer in all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I solve problems with my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very clever line, a good kind of catch phrase line, but also really meaningful in the context of the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Nog asks is he dead and a Brian checks on him now?
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut into the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she was fixed him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see Garyx laying in a bed in an aside room there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles is just watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he didn't go talk to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she was just, yes, he gets over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garyx wants asks him if he will tell Amaro's wife and family that he's very, very sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's very sincere in this moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a very, he's very sincere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did a great job.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did, he did, but doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's I mean, why is it there?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's the humanized guy who's just been a horrendous ogre for the last 20 minutes and to humanize him to make us understand why he isn't in the break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was on this drug, they know why he did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't take the drug.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't go, oh, I'm going to recreationally for fun, take this drug and turn into a monster.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happened to him by accident.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never stopped anyone being killed before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay, we just saw them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen lots of episodes where lots of people get killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are extanguating circumstances, but we never discussed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here, here's a series, regular, and suddenly all of a sudden, yes, he's humanized by saying, I want you to talk to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is one little thing where Miles says, you know, there's going to be in-quest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, yes, I know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as I know, the inquest didn't do much of anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's interesting to, it's an interesting idea you bring up.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if Gary had died?
[SPEAKER_01]: What if my own.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right, that would be, I don't know what.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a personal problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be a federation problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gary is not a member of the federation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They killed so many people.
[SPEAKER_00]: One other person is not going to make a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: especially in the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, and Italian, I mean, they killed off Kardashians in this bit, and they're just, they're on drugs too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we don't feel sorry for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where the gem had are or all over the gem had are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, an awkward scene between these two, because, you know, they've both looked at the dark side, and they, they know that each other has been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I think Garrett can recognize the soldier and what that question he kept asking him about, tell me about South La Cruz.
[SPEAKER_00]: And further, as Maus just earlier in the episode, I just want to get my crew out when answering when Gary gets taken nod, prisoner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what was missing for me in this last scene is that I'm sorry there had to be some repugments towards Gerek about the fact that he killed his crew members and put one of his crew members dog in jeopardy.
[SPEAKER_00]: There should have been some I can forgive you, but it's hard for me to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk about a theme lesson more of the episode, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my theme lesson moral takeaway is we all have the potential for bad choices, so be careful and don't judge others too harshly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Carmen, what do you have for us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just read to you what I wrote.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Humans can overcome their basis
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine would be, don't visit a band in Cardassian space stations.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good advice, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Cisco did that, and that was the beginning of our show.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't underestimate the chief.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never, never.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if an honorable mention for theme in moral, and this is from Faroza Mehta, who says, not having a beta matrix compositor can really be a challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they could have replicated everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. All right.
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