[SPEAKER_01]: Roman, check this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you hear that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, you did a tic-tac open, Andre.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's an exhaust note of something wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big 6.4 liter hemi inside SRT hemi inside of a RAM 1500.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this podcast guys, if you're listening to this and I'm watching it, you'll note that that was a truck exhaust with a V8 hemi, and so we're going to be talking about the four trucks that RAM just introduced, including
[SPEAKER_00]: The hell-catted rumble bees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a whole rumble bee lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're calling it the muscle truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alina basically, basically trucks for the street.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're lowered, they're big, they're wide, and they also make good noises.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't seen this much excitement since they actually introduced the last Hellcat in the Charger Slash Challenger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Andrew, you just came back from Detroit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you actually drove a truck back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the big news, of course, is that you got to see what is probably the most exciting pickup truck since the Raptor RRR.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which has been about three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he got the Maverick, what was the Maverick one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maverick Lobo, well, that's okay, but it's not as much as it's exciting as this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ram is coming back with street trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it all started in the 70s and also early 2000s for them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they used to have quite a lineup of street trucks as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so here we're looking at a picture if you're listening to this of what trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with the, let's start with the red one, which is very well known, a little red express.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, all the way on the left, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that, you know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've only kind of walked around it and heard it run.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they had a program a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you spin the tires?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's not a lot of horsepower in 1978, but it does have those side pipes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, following next to that is the Viper Power V10 SRT Sport Truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, back in the day, you and I did a video where we put one of these SRT 10 trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're called Doddram back then, remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: We put them on the dyno.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was that wasn't saying to it because people used to customize them obviously straight pipe them that was a lot of fun Yeah, and you know for a long time that was a cheapest way to get that tensile under because the trucks were dirty You could get the truck for like 10k and now they've come up in price actually saw on for sale The day for 40,000 for a long time they hadn't got around 20 25,000 and the thing about these SRT 10 trucks is that they were really used people didn't just
[SPEAKER_00]: put them away, you know, wrap them in vinyl and save them a more saved, you know, a couple more, but most were actually used and then they kind of worked their way down, you know, from first owner to like high school kid eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's quite a high school truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 10 to 15k.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was affordable and had a boat ton of horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's next to it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the next to it then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the next track, the silver one, if you're watching us on CFO talk, it's the new track that I just recently reviewed here in Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is their new DC 650, which is a direct connection, which is kind of like performance parts, right, for RAM.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Fox Factory supercharged 5.7 Hemi, so the smaller Hemi, and Fox Factory built it for RAM and sold it sold at the dealers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of kind of competes with the supercharged Ford F-150 level for does as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then that line green truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that's got everybody so excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, well, the line green truck came out what the year year and a half ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember you and I saw it at SEMA.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the Dude Concepts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the Dude?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also behind it, it's Ram's Ram truck series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sorry, NASCAR truck series, NASCAR truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of the feeder series for an S-car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, start with trucks, they move up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get to the big news.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Ram unveiled four, four freaking new sport trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So which one do you want to start with?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with the small engine and work our way up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So...
[SPEAKER_01]: It all starts with the five seven hammy.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, these engines have been around for quite some time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, this is nothing new.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the five seven hammy originally really came out in like 2003.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2009, the actually updated that to what we know of today.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do this truck, listen to this, they shorten the frame, they didn't have to do this in my opinion, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But they shorten the frame, it's still a four door, but it's a shorty, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The rear doors on this quadcap, a pretty short, and the wheelbase of the Rumble B57 is about the same as a Tacoma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, believe that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's short, but it's really wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's 88 inches wide dude So the first truck has just a regular old-hand me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes five points out without e-torque without the oh good So how much horsepower is it putting out?
[SPEAKER_01]: So 395.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not bad
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, about 400, you know, 3.95 horse pound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's quite as much as a 6.2 in the shabby, but no, it's respectable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's got a TRX hood dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got those white fenders.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we always talked about the coke bottle shape, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That hem looks tiny in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy, but look, no hybrid technologies because I know, you know, we know that a lot of fans of these in kind of old school muscle are They want as few technology bits as possible, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't like concluding stop-start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't like stop-start.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone in this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stop-start.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a for all of you who hate stop-start.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to worry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now before we get to the next one, a couple things out when a couple kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: notes I want to leave here.
[SPEAKER_00]: First, if you want to see this engine and you want to see the trunk go over to Altia Fellow around rated a wonderful video, or if you're listening to this and you want to actually watch this podcast, you can also go to TFL Talk on YouTube or on Spotify, you can watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of places you can watch this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So AltiaFeld.com is the easiest place to find this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you could come to our Patreon page and
[SPEAKER_01]: be with us live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like our people who are watching us now and we'll answer your questions we'll get to in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so you like this color?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the official name of this color, but it's kind of like almost a mad gray, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like a battleship gray, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's like it kind of looks like a battleship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of very military battleship gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of cool looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you got to give it to a ram and
[SPEAKER_00]: still antis in general they just do really good sticker packages and they do really good colors right well everybody's doing black spray silver is an ois these guys are out through doing battleship gray bumblebee yellow you know that dark red that will get to in a second is also cool so a couple of questions I have if you can't move absolutely I think how many gears in the transmission
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is still ZF-8 speeds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think what Ram did here, and we were trying to like peek behind the curtain, you know, get into their minds, because I thought they were just gonna take a regular crew cab, make it white body and just ship it out there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did not expect them to come out with not like two or three, but four different variants of this truck, and then also shorten the wheelbase,
[SPEAKER_01]: And just have a quadcap, shortbed, it's a five-foot-seven, but they maintain the mechanicals because they have them already, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So why reinvent everything if you don't have to reinvent everything?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the transmission is, they just took it off the shelf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about, let's just stick to this drug so we don't confuse people because like I said, there are four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they have any numbers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we have zero to 60 or any performance numbers in terms of, yeah, something we can quantify?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this truck, we're talking still about 5'7, so straight up V8, 5'7, no supercharging on this particular model.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where it all starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said 6.1 seconds, 0 to 60.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two wheel drive, or four wheel drive, all of the above.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no four low, because you're not going to be crawling rocks with this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no range, but they have oval drive auto, they have four high and they have a special button that I also show in this video, which is rear wheel drive only.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you do want to do a little bit you know of drifting, you know, responsibly, right, on a close course, there you go, you can you can see a two wheel drive button right there and then oval drive on every model, every model.
[SPEAKER_00]: And did they do any burnouts or any kind of drifting at this point?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, this was very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this introduction was a Chelsea Proving Ground and Michigan, which is this Talantus Proving Ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I see a lot of burnouts, you'll notice, you see a lot of rubber on the asphalt and the concrete that's over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Nick Kappa is one of their PR managers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey Nick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey Nick, and all Tim Kinesk is a CEO.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're listening, maybe not live, but they may listen to this, so thank you for having us out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having us out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the way, I'm a little grumpy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm a little grumpy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did certain media outlets get the truck at the, uh, uh, is it the Connor indoors, indoors differently?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, while you were fighting with the rest of the weasels out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why won't we invite it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm calling you out on this one because I watched all the videos so so I mean I get that you had top gear out
[SPEAKER_01]: They are coming from across the pond.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm sure they have British accent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they're selling a lot of trucks in the UK, especially as artisans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because we know if one thing top gear is known for is performance trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that one was a little bit of a head scratcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get the straight pipes or Canadians.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was an international thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they invited the international people out to get the trucks ahead of time while the rest of us fought it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know this, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't ask Nick straight up this question, but I was rubbing elbows with Steven Elmer and Howard Elmer, and he wasn't that he wasn't that the other location.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were standing shoulder to shoulder together, but dude, I would have preferred this actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Nick and Tim, you like the energy of having a hundred other influencers flying for the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, because it's kind of difficult because we want to work nicely with everybody and it's really difficult to kind of not walk in front of somebody else's camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being rampilated.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll instruct the drive home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're being... you're being... being me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tung.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tung in cheek.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, let's call it that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No dude, but when they introduced these trucks, Timkenesk, because the CEO was kind of giving his, you know, a corporate presentation, and then at full speed, I would say going about 60 or 70 or 80 miles an hour, each truck flew by the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: During the presentation, and top gear didn't get to see that, and straight pipes didn't get to see that either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I would have preferred to be outside at Chelsea proving grounds and you know what else right before this presentation it was raining Yeah, and then the sun came out wonderful and then right after this presentation when we were leaving the rain started again Okay, so so I think divine powers were there and they allowed this event to happen
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let me keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of questions on Dre, so I'm gonna keep going with these questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so how about the rear seat room?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it trunk, is it a cab smaller than, yes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it's more like a, so it's pretty small.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like those old fork, you know, with those little, it's kind of like an extended cab, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an extended cab, but with four forward opening doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they still open in the normal manner, not backwards way, not backwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's suicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, but but there's still limited space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Grinesk has called it I think he's at spousal alibi Basically you know if you're a gentleman, you know purchasing this truck and if you are married you get the kids in the back But yeah, 9-11.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that exactly you tell your a beautiful wife you say But honey has four doors and we can put all the kids in there and we could still go, you know To our vacation or wherever we're going
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll get to the, and I said portion 9-11 for a very specific reason because I think when we get up into the more expensive trucks, I think they might be actually competing price-wise.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're guessing at that, but we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is so much more to go over exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about like tire size wheel size?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we looking at here?
[SPEAKER_01]: So 20 inch wheels and they go up to 22's on the SRT and the Halcat trucks and good year sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eagle sport tires.
[SPEAKER_01]: So none of these trucks come with like sticky summer rubber.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you really wanted that I think you would have to do it yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: How long before somebody slams one of these when they actually had probably one day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably one day exactly
[SPEAKER_01]: and throws out some Hoosiers, but these are all seasons because, I mean, it's still a factory truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the one you see here on this 5.7 liter truck is a 20 inch wheel, but this is a wide body.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're using the same fenders, you know, the bedside and the front fender.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically they took the TRX, yeah, they took the TRX and shrunk it, at least.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's like honey, I shrunk my TRX, I sure did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do we annoyed any numbers on to incapacity or fuel economy?
[SPEAKER_01]: We fuel economy, nobody cares.
[SPEAKER_00]: A toy fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, people do care.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do care.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do you love to grow the story?
[SPEAKER_00]: They said, right truck wrong time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the best truck at the worst time, which was pretty clever headline, I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Price, fuel price and Michigan is still pretty high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's not coming out, it's a little good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to what it's coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to string you along a little bit here, so you've got to listen to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll give you every detail.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll give you every detail possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, we need to address some of the comments and questions here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's so for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you ask me as far as towing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how much?
[SPEAKER_01]: About 8900 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's decent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also you could tell your wife, honey, we can bring our camper or our boat with us, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It will still talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we answer these questions, as we kind of go along, uh, so Don, if I think it done for being here, Don Megahan says you're always here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love super fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you're a super fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, do you think Ford will answer this and use the name lightning again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ford's already working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're probably working on this for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truck market is so competitive, Ford.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ford, I don't think Chevy either can let the stand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think I think we're going to see a new hayday of sport trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we'll see Tim mentioned one of his remarks, the CEO of Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said that he thinks he has a two-year start on the others.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, if you're foreign, you'll say, let's see if these things sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the time they come to market and by the time you know that, it's going to be way too late for you to develop them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you want to compete with this, you got to do it now so that you're out there at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's, I guess, up to far earlier to decide if he really wants to play in this world.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one that still is a headscratcher is GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they never really did a TRX competitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the Humber, the EV Humber sort of kind of is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think for most, let's call them petrol heads away, the British, you know, for most people of internal combustion engine, that just does not compete with a TRX or Raptor Raptor RAPTER RAR.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really GM, by the way, they're in New Silverados, just around the corner, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're coming very, very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for, I think for GM, I mean, they do have some history here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They used to have the SS Silverados, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they do, they can answer, we haven't seen any prototypes that are slammed.
[SPEAKER_01]: we haven't seen anything from Ford.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Ford does have the logo, you mentioned that already, they have 150 logo.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it supercharged for about what the $11,000 to $12,000 at the dealership, but it's not coming from the factory that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So before we finish the rest of these comments, let's get to the rest of the comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a former foreign physicist here, he says, they say they appreciate this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're in lines of Rob Andre.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when the world went, let's call it desert runner truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Raptors, TRXs, those trucks have a lot of inherent usefulness, utility, and comfort,
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas when you go to sport truck you're losing a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So so you're losing okay with let's let's kind of go down the list with a sport truck and let's call it a desert runner you're losing towing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So both ways you're losing towing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the desert runner you're gaining capability off-road which you lose obviously in the sport truck and this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're also gaining performance in both, probably better in the sports truck, but the the desert run is also due very well, but the most important thing that you're losing here is utility in terms of space, and I think you're losing comfort.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this rumble, I agree with you because they actually said that they're comfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to make a truck do un-truck like things, and that sentence is already problematic, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're trying to fit almost like a square peg into a round hole, but we could still get excited about this because they're still, the other trucks are available.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they're taking away the TRX and bringing this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just kind of an addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so you walk?
[SPEAKER_00]: into the RAM dealership and you've got two trucks sitting there on the showroom floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the rumblebee which will get to in a second and you've got the TRX.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both have the same power train, basically both have the Hellcat engine, both have same horsepower, one's enough road truck and one's a street truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is shorty and the other one is long.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you've had a TRX and you've got a boat full of money, you're probably going to go with the rumblebee because it's different, it's new,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but let's let's go down a year and I'm sure they thought this through where they've all the people who wanted rumble bees have rumble bees and now you're a truck buyer that hasn't had either of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: My gut tells me the one you're going to go for is a TRX just because it's going to be more comfortable, more utilitarian.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's going to have more space, it's going to just be a more useful truck because you're really creating the sports car of trucks with the rumblebee and that has, you know, only so much utility.
[SPEAKER_00]: Having said that, there's a way to get a 911 so I could be wrong, you know, I mean, but I don't think it's the same buyer, I don't think the guy, I don't think, I think the guys who buy Ferrari's Lamborghinis and they might be truck curious,
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, they're always going to go back to what they know versus like, versus like, you know, I mean, if you have, if you're into like racetracks and, you know, taking your sports crown, the racetrack, then you might want to buy one of these to tow your, you could, you know, your yellow night 11 or your yellow Lamborghini, you might want to buy the rumblebee.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think you're going to be the guy out there buying this so that you can drive it around and you know, take it to drag racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm guessing, Roman, that when you're spending the didn't say pricing, right, on the Hellcat, you're looking for anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm guessing if you're spending, you know, six figures, which some of these tracks will be, that you have a garage full of different vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get to the next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've kept them waiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a great point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Elliot is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: My call, San John is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys for, for, well, we'll get to some of the out-froating questions about the grant in you as granted here in the second.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let us know in the comments if you'd rather have a TRX or a rumble beam, if pricing and everything were the same, which would you rather have if we gave you $100,000 right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, which way would you go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go to the next track.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's the next one in horsepower?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the red one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The red one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that graphic on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you like the new B?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: The B is poking out from the bed into the cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from those you guys who are just listening to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a very fire engine dark red and then there's a B that's coming off the A graphic bed and into the rear doors of the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do really good graphics.
[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, this is a new V, and then the new V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the 64-hemi is inside of this but rumble V, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically what used to be in the power wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it's a whole different animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same engine size, the same basic engine, but the horsepower is more performance oriented rather than the work truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, isn't this also in the Wrangler?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 392, yeah, so to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're putting 392 into everything now, pretty soon a pacific 392 might be coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, now you're talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but we've been asking for this for a very long time, give us a high performance 392 or 6.4 liter in a RAM 1500 and they finally did it, but only in this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw a lot of comments on the video
[SPEAKER_00]: right not just one so they haven't announced pricing but let's just take a guess at it okay we can kind of take a guess at it so the five seven the hammy i bet you that's going to be the entry level so i think if you get a bareball into one i think we're talking 60k i think that's a fair number given today's pricing
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and by the way, that bass track has cloth interior, manual adjusted seats that you love.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know how much you love manually, because it's better than manual just to see it's a $60,000 vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so I think they could squeak under 60, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, but no, you know, so that's around the ball parking in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it does have 4x4, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that it already has that.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and now if you go with the 392 in the Jeep, you can't get it in the gladiator yet, but you can get it in the Wrangler.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get the Moab one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, yeah, you can get the Moab, those are 80,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're coming out of the willys, which is losing the discreciable sway bar and the front locker for base price of 70.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's not a stretch to say that this truck, with the same engine, is going to be at least 10 more.
[SPEAKER_00]: If not more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so yeah, so we might be looking at 70 and 70, 80, I think that's where we're at with this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and so interior, what was interior in this one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did this have leather or was this one?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a one-step up, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think same size or dimensionally, it's the same size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same wheelbase, it's a 132 inch wheelbase.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you know, they also have the grandwagonier, based on the same platform, basically the truck platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the...
[SPEAKER_01]: The grandma can hear has yet another wheelbase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine how much they're investing into this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because whenever you create a new chassis, new wheelbase, new vehicle, you have to do entire crash,
[SPEAKER_01]: Certification you have to have emissions millions.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are tens of millions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if not a billion dollars into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so same size You can get different wheels and tires so you could also get twenty-two's on this bad boy Have different badging.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me power.
[SPEAKER_00]: It still has this hood scoop is a functional
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these hoods scoops are functional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever go into the hood?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a place where we can see what the engine looks like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were just looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I missed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was too busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were just, we were fired up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: 6.4.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels, that feels out the, it's a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on the left there, if you're seeing on the passenger side, there's that performance air intake that also comes through the hood, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a passageway where that air comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: through the hoods group.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so 470 horsepower, 455 pound feet of torque, and I think which is a lot of it in the 392, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's the length of 474, 74, 74, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe different amount of torque that we're creating.
[SPEAKER_01]: but still the same 8-speed, or I think it's maybe even upgraded 8-speed transmission, also all will drive, also rear will drive mode so you can disconnect the front end and you can still do those burnouts if you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, this might be the sweet spot for many people in the lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the engine you heard at the beginning of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the 57 has that GT, remember the GT exhaust, which is a little bit louder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Cole, can you play the exhaust on again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just so people listed at the beginning because we kind of just jumped into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's hear it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's another version of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: One more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very raspy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and also, I've probably the best way to listen to these trucks is actually accelerating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been watching this late.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's five in the morning, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Were you wake up from the universe?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you wife asked you why had did you buy this so yeah, that's really fun All right, should we go to the next one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go one more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's step it up to the next truck because they're four of them well Yes, so the next step before we even get to the yellow truck we could start looking at it at the yellow truck But you've got a cutaway here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm so happy they brought the car away here
[SPEAKER_01]: There's diesel Dave, do you see them?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's there with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's also three star struck by diesel Dave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he actually kind of made a cameo in one of our shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should have been the cameo in his.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, he didn't, he wasn't filming, he wasn't filming, but he came in and he asked me, hey, can you lower this thing more?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, I think we could probably lower this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he know you were?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's like, hey, I'm disappointed.
[SPEAKER_00]: 15 years of Andre and Roman,
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't say, hey, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, but I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't say, hey, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, where were we?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, before we move on to the Hellcat, which we are kind of looking at this chassis already, there is a 392 track pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think of the track, that's the fourth track, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Third track, in our, the way we're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the third track.
[SPEAKER_01]: But overall, we talked about four being introduced, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't get the 392 with a track pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the track pack basically gives you some of the performance like aerodynamics, tires, like for example, rear locking differential for those massive burnouts that are available on the Hellcat version, but just with a different engine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The 392 comes with some of those performance upgrades, including arrow,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was a moment where you were showing the little spoiler on the back of the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's one, that one is on the Hellcat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the chassis is cool because you can kind of see the suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: This also has built-in shocks, by the way, and a massive brakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just saw that massive 16.1 inch diameter rotors and giant six piston calipers in the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are brambos, and also air suspension is available.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when diesel Dave came, but all fours were just in the rear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all four corners.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when diesel Dave was asking me, can you slam it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he meant, you know, let's drop it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's use air.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, I'm saying like you just wanted to dump the air out of the bags.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a lot of control?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but only on a track pack and the how-cat versions all right, so let's say we're talking 70 thousand dollars for the 322 and then you add a track pack.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go with at least 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so probably now we're at 80 thousand Yeah, we're just guessing at this guys, but I think it's an educated guess
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's go to the big news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at the rumblebee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the most important thing is the front end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's take a look at the front end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, you see that coming in your rear of the mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to move over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to start crying when you see this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's an all new front bumper, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So usually I hate plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, little wrap around bumpers on trucks because they kind of, it makes it look like a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my view, but this works.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because this is a special street version of a truck, the way that they did the lower dam right the lower grill and the upper grill and the side grills.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it looks killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so what we're looking at here, if you're listening to this, is obviously a bumblebee color truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're looking at yellow and black with stripes, with stripes, and they've done the bumblebee before.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not something that's new.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're pointing to a master spoiler right now, which is going to, which is going to get pretty broken.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be careful when you're pulling up to a curb.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most of the greatest things about having a pickup truck is you don't have to be worried about pulling up to a curb But now you know we're in sports car land Did they have a front lift like they do on the Corvette?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well they have an air suspension, so I guess so they could So maybe like before you park you're gonna have to raise a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then same dimensions right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, same wheelbase, same size, same fender, same interior shots, can we see the interior?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but this is basically a TRX interior, dude, high bolsters, leather, different materials.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming a little bit later in this video call.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think after this we go inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're almost there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's see what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a big screen 14.5 inch screen rumble be badging carbon fiber trim real or fake.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll carbon fiber trim.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they do everything real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when when something looks yeah orange stitching everybody was wondering why the orange stitching and the yellow exterior.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there will probably be on the seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: The orange is basically the color of the hellcat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it will be from before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: They redesigned them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were very proud.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's the one where the the stinger is kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pointing forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's attacking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: The old one also had a stinger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were pretty proud of updating the rumble B logo.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had to be cool if you were a designer and they're like, hey,
[SPEAKER_01]: Today, as you get to make the drawing, you rumble to you, that'd be a really good day, yeah, that's a good day But so the screens in the in the base rumble being, you know, was an 8.4 inch display in the 392 you went to a 12 inch display Now in the SRT, you're going to the the Hellcat track you're going to 14 and a half inch display and look they have a brake controller And the auxiliary switches for auxiliary lights.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw forum
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a winch, I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that that that's the same out of the that that was in the track clock that same little launch control button control button Yes, and then also eSpool so eSpool is a different name for a rear locker Okay, right, so you click eSpool and basically locks every round real real eSpool
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of drag racing days, it's a drag racing term.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're basically, you know how people used to weld the rear different things for drag racing, they kind of call them spools always At that point, so so that's this is kind of the coming from the drag racing days, which is I think is cool cool connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we talk horse part that I missed that?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have not mentioned horse part yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go look at the hood cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to go to this is Well, we have to go to the chassis call because the hood latch was broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody broke the hood latch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did top gear hand there problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: See I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the engine with a big supercharger sitting on top of it and the orange valve covers and the orange block, that's where the orange is coming from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of the orange color.
[SPEAKER_01]: The old triple 7's Roman, 777 horsepower, and 680 pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let me ask you this, do you remember how much the last like TRX was, where the yellow one that came out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like a special edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how much was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like 120,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was $5,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're far from that with this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, some dealers would probably, even with upmarked this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the first couple of months?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately, you will have to have a lot of cash to bring this SRT Hellcat Rumble Be Home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that's a lot of torque.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically the same engine as in the new TRX, which is coming this summer, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see like somebody take this thing around to track and drift it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't that be cool just to see like white smoke pouring off the rear wheels and then just that you know that would be so much cooler than even a sports car just you know full opposite lock and the things because you don't have a lot of weight in the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's going to be a lot easier to do it's going to be it's going to be a drift monster.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you see those white things in the very front by the frame?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are air ducts for the front brakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically directing some cooler air towards the front brakes, because our big complaint has always been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the mean case smoked at TRX brakes when we were towing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a little bit, we didn't ruin the brakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just getting hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also people complain about like the Durango, Hellcats,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, warming up their brakes and just not able to hold up to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said there were fixed that would fix it for track use.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they said you can actually bring a hellcat rumble be truck to any racetrack in the country, and it should withstand a couple of track use.
[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of things I can give you here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe five years ago, I was on a pearly program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they let me take an F-150 on the track in Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: but lap and a half the brakes failed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was terrifying on tray because I was coming around the corner and I floored it in the straightaway and then I went and there was nothing in the brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean trucks don't aren't designed forced.
[SPEAKER_00]: track performance and their art design for stop-top speeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most trucks have tires that are rated up to maybe a hundred and 1020 miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well usually it's one of those six from most vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then like the Raptors and the TRXs are about 1618.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fastest truck we've seen I think is the Rivian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember?
[SPEAKER_00]: 130 130 it's rated at 130 so what will this truck do they talk about top speed?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they want to beat the original SRT 10, which did 154 point five something so it's like a model by our German modified exactly so Kineska's the CEO said their goal is 170 miles per hour, so the tires are rated for that, okay, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why they're doing the low front end, the spoiler and the front and they're trying to make it as slippery as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's still a truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I mean, like if you ever seen those big European rigs, or big rig racing, bigger racing, the first thing you see is two things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: First thing, yeah, they slam, but they understeer like crazy, because all the weight is in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why sports cars, the optional weight is 50, 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it rotates around the center of mass.
[SPEAKER_00]: With this, same problem, you're going to have all the weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big engine in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the second thing you see on those trucks is actually have water that scorots under the brakes, which is really cool because when you've got all that weight in the front and you've got all that kind of understeeriness, then you're gonna use those even those massive brakes, it's really, really hot, very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would there be like a ceramic option to talk about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't talk about, they didn't say something about, you know, roadkill nights that they always do on woodward Avenue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see the spin drag strip truck for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, yes, but they also talked about more is coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't talk about carbon ceramic brakes or they didn't talk about, you know, bigger superchargers, but I'm assuming
[SPEAKER_01]: There might be something in the aftermarket, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That or in their mopar, you know, the parts, the parts here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm going into the deep end, so correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at, we'll show that NASCAR truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's basically NASCAR with a truck body on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a cube frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not that they don't share almost anything right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's not really a truck It's just it's just looks like a truck It's just they made it look like a pickup truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a tube frame unique chassis look at the look at the camber You know, there were the wheels leaning you know to one side because they go go one one way or go They're going one you know turning left.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're looking at giant spoiler on the back Yeah, so 170 in a straight line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, that's gonna be fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sign us up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we get to the drag strip.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to be one of the first to go out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I want to see, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: All three of them, or four of them, lined up on the same straight away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're the last people who actually do truck drag racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to see them side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have an air strip here, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, did you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have an air strip.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have our own private air strip here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's how much is it three that it's quarter mile 1300.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's three quarters of a mile Yeah, so it's like 4,000 feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is our airstrip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we have plenty of space guys I think it's space to take almost a mile So the first video I'd love to do is take all let's call three of them and drag away something as each other Yes, that'd be great because you want to see visually how do they stack out right exactly and how to yeah, and then we got to get a Like a logo
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's super charged forward and, you know, one of the new GM's, I mean, these are incredible videos that are coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they talked about specs, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: On the SRT Hellcat, they talked about 3.4 seconds, they were to 60, which is respectable, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, 11.6 second quarter mile, 11.6.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, which is probably what a Rivian quad motor will do.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, dude, dude, Rivian quad motors will smoke that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might smoke it because it has a thousand horsepower, you know, oh, no, it's not a horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: No changing gears.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's on 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So of course, you know, the comments will come in that, you know, a Rivian doesn't sound like a Hellcat, which is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as much as they're talking about this, there's still technology that's way faster than this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're living in a different era.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so when we were at CM Andre, Ford does the super charge at F-150, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Wipple is a still Wipple, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that most of these are Wipples.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was what 720 horsepower, if I remember right, for which one?
[SPEAKER_00]: For the one you do at the dealership where you had, you know, it's about 700, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's around, yeah, you get four like 10,000 plus dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a Wipple 3-liter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they supercharge your F1 actually no defibrillator, they don't supercharge your EcoBoost obviously Yeah, defibrillator When you end up with like just around seven and a half hours power, we drove it Yeah It did deal that fast actually you didn't get that great supercharge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also drove it in Michigan Yeah, and it felt different it felt a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe the moment we had it was, you know Not quite what depends on the thing about all the power, you know, which dealer does it maybe
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so so those are all videos that we got to do, but around a track, yeah, I'm not sure this is something that I think for video being credible like as a drift truck, but but actually taking it around a track, you know, I don't know, I agree with a great line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the SRT truck, they said the curb weight is 6200 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still a heavy beast, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost as much in like a Rivian weighs like 7,000 pounds plus, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So these are very heavy vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I bought the 392, let's say,
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't afford the SRT, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say I talk my wife into 392, Ram Rumblebee.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to bring it to like Carson Coffee.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to drive it almost every day, maybe it could be my daily.
[SPEAKER_00]: What color would you get?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know the colors yet either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not all the colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably get black or white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a couple of things we haven't talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: No white.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've been very excited, but let's...
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be a Debbie Downing here, but there are issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Feel economy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we know?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but you know what's in the other issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think we're certainly in the teens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: 26 gallons of fuel.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a fimble, Roman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in the hellcat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fimble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because especially, I imagine, I mean, you get a forward F150, you're a 36 gallon tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: All for it, F150 comes with 36 gallons, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are relatively few, let's say, low 20s.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about this, Roman?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're going to the lake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you're getting 10 miles an hour, 10 miles per gallon, which is possible, 260 miles of range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what that's to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what if you're telling your boat to Lake, then you're down to maybe 150 miles a range, depending how much weight you're telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be drinking fuel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the tank, I think it's a smaller tank because they shrunk it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's five times 2625?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's call it $129 right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It $5 a gallon to fill it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: this is why jelopping said right truck wrong time uh... and the other thing is uh... if you guys want to get one this year probably not so the five seven they said is coming in twenty twenty six okay there you go so but that's already out there
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could already get a hit on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the rumble be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, rumble be heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if you want to shorten the 392 and the Hellcat version of rumble be a coming next year and the first half.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not going to be super super quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we have potentially just under a year in the spring of next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're from now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's a that's a still a lot of kill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but before you get that the summer is the TRX.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so before these rumble bees come, you get the T-Rx.
[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, it's the T-Rx that they had.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it looks very similar to what they had before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just has a new power number, the 777.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So more horsepower, more torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, more torque.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the same T-Rx, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's coming this summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're hoping to drive it quite soon, maybe within a couple of months.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be driving this new T-Rx.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just still bumper-dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Steel, no plastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say I loved RTRX Andre.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of my favorite trucks till we've ever owned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was very sad when we sold it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I think we were one of the first in the country to get one, and still sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, DeRam.
[SPEAKER_00]: But kind of been there done that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably won't be buying a tarot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just, that's probably just me because, you know, we live on doing reviews of new vehicles and it kind of feels like, you know, putting on a set of old shoes, even though the new shoes are these new shoes, but the rumble be is a new shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new, that's a brand new shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a brand, that's brand new shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The TRX.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love what Tim's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as a V8 enthusiast, as a truck guy, this is wonderful news.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to force GM and it's going to force Ford and maybe even Toyota, to step up right, we've got the hammer coming on the Toyota side.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about supposed to be enough for a truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're off-road truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it totally is never going to be out there ahead of everybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's great to see this competition heating up any
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's see, uh, four by four enthusiasts is wondering if we're going to do another call and segment to where we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're getting a thing I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to do it this week, but this check precedent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I've been traveling, you know, a lot of our team is traveling actually this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where case is not here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, case probably would love to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't a rubah for wedding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, hey, case, you're a rubahing, I wonder what he's driving.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not his wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a chimney.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'd be driving in a room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I want to talk to him next week about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's wrap up with the truck that you drove home.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Ram was kind enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Ram, to give you a drive away truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you, I saw it parked out front?
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you bring to the office?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's big and red.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is big and red.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very big and red.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new tradesman power wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all, of course, know it exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of people thought it went away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait quietly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, it's a way to save money.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, everybody knows that the power wagon is there and diesel comments power wagon is coming, right this summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the tradesman power wagon looks almost like a normal ram, except it's a little bit taller.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got those beefy, you know, dirt track tires, and you could save about $10,000 if you can order one over the regular power wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could save the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 6.4.3.
[SPEAKER_01]: with less horsepower, it's 405 horsepower, because it's a commercial kind of engine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot less power and a lot less efficiency.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get rid of the winch in the diesel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does this one still have the winch?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has a winch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but we need to change very how much is the MSRPN?
[SPEAKER_01]: So 65.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the regular power wagon, you know, with all the flashy graphics and the different grill and LED headlamps, that are different, that starts at 75.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could save 10 grand by going tradesmen and then selecting the power wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Smaller screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one has a bigger screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, optional.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And optional carpet in this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you get the winch, you get the lift, you get locking differentials, three lockers, three lockers, you get disconnectable front sway bar, you get the big tires, although they're small, they look small in the truck, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's 33 is on the giant heavy duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we did, so Gavin and I were filming this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And rumble be at Chelsea.
[SPEAKER_01]: then when we finished filming, we imported all the footage on the hard drive, we jumped into the power wagon because we had to get home, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We needed to start driving because it's 1,200 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite a waste to get home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you do a fuel economy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't say, don't say, we won't talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to, we're going to make you watch that video.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Andre worked and Gavin worked hard on us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know what I made Gavin do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I made him plug in the laptop into the track.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold the Starlink out the windows, so yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was hanging out with the Starlink antenna.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could transfer the video.
[SPEAKER_01]: But first he edited while we were moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, did he get trucksick?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be trucksick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How was it as a road trip people?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit bumpy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as horrible as like a duly, like an empty duly.
[SPEAKER_00]: 35 air down.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not air down for this trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I talk to a lot of people at the program, they're like, under, you should totally go to 40 PSI, you know, because it's at 65.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I was saying, like, 35 is an air down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was like, guys, we have to be more efficient.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, the reason also they put that much air in those tires is for towing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, when you put the trailer on.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the towing capacity of this baby?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 11,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that is not huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's full size.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's half tonterry.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's half tonterry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And payload is 1500 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is also not great for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night for a night.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a problem with the power wagon for forever, because it's got the softer suspension, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got the suspension for afroading and the giant articulation, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what it's for, it's for going into crazy, crazy terrain.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know what, we have it for an extended time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long-term drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also a great track to put a hamper on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to go to the lake with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to camp with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be doing a lot with this power wagons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could see everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, when the diesel comes, we can compare a diesel versus gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, and then we're almost out of time, but the last question I want to ask you is you did go to the overland expo and you saw a heavy duty truck with a win-a-bago camp run it tell me about that called the win-a-bago is it arc arc arc are k are k Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want to put a scene there, but it's a k the arc and this this is like an affordable version of
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of the earth rumor, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the earth rumor is a million dollars, this is more affordable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like before the affordable version of the earth rumor was the truck house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's underneath the truck house and prices.
[SPEAKER_00]: So earth rumor is a million.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truck house was half a million.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is how much?
[SPEAKER_01]: 330,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to bring the video in your mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a video of the Winnebego on our truck channel as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Winnebego, Arca.
[SPEAKER_01]: So by the way, the, here it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, it's based on the RAM comments, 5500 chassis.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, at the Overland Expo, this was a trend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only the ARCO was unveiled, but like the storyteller unveiled their version of very similar to that story tellers been modifying Mercedes fans Now they've gotten into the world of trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, big trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so and a lot of people are now doing those rear doors that open We could have like a balcony look at a balcony and this is him a balcony.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I like the metal around the thing so if you're hitting a tree it protects the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it protects the body of the water.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're colonized.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're actually filming this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has an open space in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could move those couches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the couches are kind of mounted in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could open them up and have a beautiful view.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could mount everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's it built on?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the truck chassis?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 5500.
[SPEAKER_01]: A kind of a long wheelbase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, a common engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll put it all out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like a commercial engine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one, it's one horsepower number.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 360 horsepower this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they did a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: As far as for what you get, you get four season capability down to negative 10 Fahrenheit, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of interesting because that's very hard to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have a shower, you have a bathroom, you have four people.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's four people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Tires are those, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fourty ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they look big.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I'm touching the heated floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has a heated floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is a very American way of going camping.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Europeans either go with these little like cars that they're towing these campers with or they had these massive man trucks, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, I'm talking about like the big like,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's almost nothing in the between.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's nothing, like something you could take around the world with 200 gallons of diesel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is kind of the very American thing where it's kind of, you know, not quite, uh, not a little bit of a soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, not quite a man-truck, and not quite a man, I may end it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite a tiny camper-tube by a three-slender diesel Hyundai.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you like this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was innovative.
[SPEAKER_01]: The toilet hides away.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think that's the most important toilet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cassette.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a toilet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know, but every difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say composting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically you gotta take out the cassette and then throw it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't go into like a darkening to a tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so that's yeah, which is which is better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Well plus you don't have to pump dirty tanks, you know, it's better for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better for you, but it's for your wife
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're the one having to clean out the tank, right, the dark water tank, but I think your wife would appreciate something in the flushes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's not a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could set that is in there with, you know, what's left in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: oh that's above the cab you get a little but the bedroom is pretty nice still oh yeah how much was it again you said 330 thousand okay only 330 guys and we well and you can get this from our friends at trans West if you're here in Colorado exactly yeah so check about all right guys well
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know in the comments below the three trucks, which is the one that you'd go for.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know which one you would go for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or would you go for a tear or an arrecho?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or would you go for an arrecho?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like both the off-road and now the street trucks are having a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you something.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we close, would you get a rumble bee if it was available with a hurricane
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, god, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to get the rumble, we go because the rumble isn't the name, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the problem with that straight six is it just doesn't sound as good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the same problem with the raptor, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very powerful, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, but it just doesn't have that, like, you know, that emotional connection that you would get with the V8.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, where should they go for more TFL coverage?
[SPEAKER_01]: Altifl.com because we have everything including cars, electric, vehicles, we have motorcycles that case reviews, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have everything right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ciao.