[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jockel Podcast number 541 with echo trails in me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jockel willing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: The military provides more than a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: It provides identity, community, structure, and purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: When those pillars are removed simultaneously, many veterans experience what researchers call transition stress, a combination of identity, disruption, loss of community, and uncertainty about the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: common challenges include translating military skills into civilian resume language, navigating unwritten workplace norms that differ vastly from military culture, finding community after leaving the tight-knit bonds of service, managing mental health during a period of major life change, understanding these challenges is the first step toward overcoming them.
[SPEAKER_00]: the military to civilian transition is not an ending, it's a redeployment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your mission is changed but your capacity for excellence has not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that right there is a quote from article written about an organization called Beyond the Brotherhood,
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was actually founded by one of my brothers from the teams who started his Navy career as an enlisted man on the path of becoming a new Navy nuclear technician.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're going to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, he is your career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, he found his way to college ROTC commissioning and the Seal Pipeline made it through the Seal Pipeline station to
[SPEAKER_00]: which he utilized when he joined task unit bruiser in Ramadi, actually arriving the day that Mark Lee was killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the operation when Mike Montsour was killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was wounded himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a through and through miracle shot to the chest that missed his body armor, and thankfully also missed his heart as long as his ribs, his arteries and his veins, and he went on to become a platoon commander at Silting 3 where he worked for Sett Stone, he was a true commander, he's XO of Buds, deputy commander at Siege Sotif, opposite group one, he finally retired, he's been on this podcast before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Episode 405.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to hear the details of his career and the teams, you can have a listen of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jimmy May hasn't taken his foot off the gas since retiring, and beyond the brotherhood has continued to have a huge impact, and that's not the only place that he's been making things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's back with us again to share some of his
[SPEAKER_00]: Experiences and lessons learned Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming back, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me, brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've been turning and burning as usual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, although You take November and December off.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct and July.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's legit
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you know, I missed most of my first two kids lives because I was gone three hundred days a year in the teams You know what it's like and now I've got a second chance and I have helped you 12 this weekend and you know I just want to soak it all in and so having those months available because he's awful lot of school So we do a lot of cool things stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been it's been so good so you got Speaking of family you got your old oldest daughter is about to
[SPEAKER_02]: She's about to finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's graduating from medical school and Baylor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, super proud of her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's been driving hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she was nine years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: She told me she was going to be a doctor and she never looked back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you couldn't talk her out of it, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't talk her out of nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a hard head.
[SPEAKER_02]: She must get her from her mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, she's super squared away.
[SPEAKER_02]: She got married about two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another doctor, great, great young man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just really happy for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
[SPEAKER_02]: She's back to a residency in Alabama, so really, like she's got a bright light ahead of her.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long is residency?
[SPEAKER_02]: Three, three years?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's four years, and I think it depends on what you're choosing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be general because she doesn't want to get stuck at some, you know, big campus, where you got to be in the city, so she wants to kind of have a broader reach with things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jack and who what about you're out what about your middle son middle son Dude you wouldn't recognize and he Assam at the wedding and he was jacked he's right Good I had to recognize about like who is that how old is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's 21.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess the the mail stuff started flowing and he's yeah Fightin I'll tell you
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, he's fighting, he's trained and hard and he's about to finish this semester early and he's a start vet school.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just, he's got applications in, but I'm pretty confident he'll get he's been working on the vet industry for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's got straight days, he's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, when you're between the ages of perhaps, maybe like 14 and 24, you're on steroids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for all practical purposes, like you are on,
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're listening to me, this is the best opportunity in your life to get jacked and strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Charles?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good news about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes beyond that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each one is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But is that the peak time that I get it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but depends on four one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I'm not gonna make it about, you know, my knowledge on this topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, in a way, chemically, yes, structurally, maybe not, you know, and if you're going for like big muscles, it extends more.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going for performance, not so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's the peak peak performance time?
[SPEAKER_00]: 33 or something like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's like muscularity and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They call it muscle maturity.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, performance is gonna be probably around 25.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it give her take really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pure performance 25 is the peak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, what about strength feeds?
[SPEAKER_00]: Same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on what you mean by strength.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, even like, profile, again, there's a whole rabbit hole, but even you say, like, well, you just said an absolute word.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can't say, it's not it's it ranges.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even strength is like, what kind of strength?
[SPEAKER_01]: Powerlifting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's prolific, I feel big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be older than the 30s.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be more right because structureally, you know, all this stuff, whatever, but like recovery, or like speed, that's more younger guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: You seem to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what are you at Buds, working as an instructor, Jimmy?
[SPEAKER_00]: The young guys are having a harder time, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they haven't quite, like, matured out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and no, it's like you look at hell week and on the backside of hell week if guys are like 18 to 20 those guys are wearing shoes the next day It's like their body just snaps back But like guys are like 24.
[SPEAKER_02]: It still sounds young, but it takes a little while for them to mature above 28 Dude, I mean you got to get away ever to get into Buds and we gave I think we gave 11 waivers when I was the exo there Zero made it the body just doesn't heal fast enough So it's it's a young man's game for sure day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that right there
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know a couple of guys that have got through, I think, age, age, age, age.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that guy, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He still looks like he's like 23.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he's like 60.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, he just doesn't, yeah, he just does an age.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he went through it like 33 or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy, he was like, Abba, Crombean, Fitch model.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like a promo, we tie fighter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this guy would become a seal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not making this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, he's a beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drogo was a pretty old dude going through.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, drogo was like 31 or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe drugs polish right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I got my knee surgery, the doctor asked me It's seemingly randomly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, are you Polish or Simone?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said no.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just continued on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, oh, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, because Polish people tend to heal way quicker than normal people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so does Simone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I didn't say normal people.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's our intern.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did no drogling the teams, but I talked with him by two or three weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's helping us out with this swim.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Just interesting, I wore our pals cross, I'm like, but I didn't remember before, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's been on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so lucky to, because it did up until one of them the team too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had such a freaking good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then randomly, he was the, the wrong liaison in Baghdad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did a bunch of stuff with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys were heavy handed, but the good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was, you know, he was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I show up in Baghdad in their struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this already here, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so stoked, but yeah, draw go epic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So and then you got your youngest boy I mean you were just mentioned that and one of the things I've I've been you know watching you do is you've been doing some Linked in post about parenting
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I never had social media before like most of us in the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I got ready to get out, I was like, hey, what should I?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, if you're going to run a business, you need to kind of have a social media presence.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should learn about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, well, it's just right about something you want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I started these dad drops because, you know, I really wanted to focus on my second chance of getting to be a dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you, it's actually got a really big following.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty funny and it's just stupid stuff we do together and there's always some kind of little takeaway and he's just watching the man he's becoming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really proud of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like he's got a lot of strengths that I didn't have and it's been really cool watching him grow and
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he'll listen to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He listens to the podcast some on and you know, and you know, if he always I've got to be by the neck when you see him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's as he should The watch yourself boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the up on me McCooking a problem some of the things that some of the things that you brought up some of the topics one of them is like build it yourself And this is actually in the warrior kid books like the kid wants to mark wants a new bike Yeah, and Uncle J.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can't get a new bike, but we can get an old bike and we can rebuild it and
[SPEAKER_00]: Think of the value of that compared to the value of oh you want to new bike here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go I mean was a new bike cost echo Charles hundred bucks maybe one 50 Yeah, I mean at the bottom end for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's when you're buying like five when you're buying a seven-year-old You're not getting a seven-year-old like a top end bicycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just got my son of BMX bike used off of like the offer-ups scenario 150 so I'm in the game
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it ranges.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, 400 for a new BMX bike is normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: We actually did the exact same thing with where we've got the old bike that's a neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had to replace the axle and he was like given his pennies and it took us a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: He like sanded it down and he did a great job with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we ended up he ended up someone gave him a bike later on and he'd outgrown that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he went to sell it and I remember
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I sold it off for up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm waiting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching the guy and the guys comes like, well, can you take less?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like bargain with him, you know, and you know, it's 25 bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're bargaining with like a, but he was like seven at the time, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen his little straight face.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he's like, he looks at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, it's like, hold out for 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he get the 25?
[SPEAKER_02]: He got 25.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a great lesson though.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, one of the things that I noticed about these things is, and this is the same thing I noticed about parenting, is it applies to everything that applies to anyone you interact with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you want somebody to value something, you have them built at themselves, including, oh, we got some project that we want to do, and I've got my team is going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't I let them build the plan?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then it's going to take ownership of that plan and it's going to be going to value it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the good way to do it and the another one you have is do the maintenance yourself Yeah, he's the made-a executive maintenance manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's his title.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets 10 bucks an hour Dude, the guy can clean weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: He scores away my spear guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, he rinses all the gear I just drop all the gear in the you know in the fridge of the garage or wherever we're at and he just like gets to work And you know a couple hours later.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's clean while I load for the next one.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a underlying theme here that I've talked about before, which is, like, as much as you can treat your kid like an adult, the better off it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a classic example.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're making them work, but you're paying him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's getting recognizing that I can earn money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have value.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can make things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have responsibilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't do what I'm supposed to do, I won't get the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are really good lessons that you can teach someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Respect your elders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, we're from the South, yes, or no, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's how we roll here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of weird in California because it got thrown out on some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, but I'm like, anybody take your best guess and you make sure you say, sir, man, but no, we're pretty tied on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's a very respectful young man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he had a little scrape of school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty recently, we talked about the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the teachers were like, hey, he's been respectful and he owned it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a, it was a good walk away.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about it if you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's it's an interesting one and it's funny because you know we just had a the podcast last week We had a guy on that I grew up in the same town as me and I I was a rebellious kid, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you you want to have your kids in my opinion you want your kids to have the the level of respect But also have a little underlying of
[SPEAKER_00]: questioning authority, you know, like a little bit of questioning authority because there's bad people, there's adults that don't deserve respect.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you automatically think, oh, this person's older than me, so they're better than me, smarter than me, no more than me, I need to listen to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look, there's places where that is actually going to get you in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a, you got to teach them both those things at the same time and learn, because, yeah, being
[SPEAKER_00]: You know elders people that you're as you know it's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say like I treat when I was in the Seal teams I treated the admiral the same as I treated a new guy you know what I mean now No, not if you were in a cartoon with me when I was knee four or knee five and you were new guy I can't make that claim, but when I was an older and a little bit more sure like didn't matter who you were It's like okay, you got some to say I'm listening to you that sounds a good idea or doesn't sound a good idea
[SPEAKER_00]: And giving kids that ability to treat other human beings with respect, but always be keeping in mind that You treat them with respect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so thing that Matt is said like treat them with respect, but have a plan to kill him You don't have to quite go that far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but treat them with respect, but remember people have their own agendas and people might not be
[SPEAKER_00]: that might be doing the Ferris things to watch out for.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a deep thinker and he always asks really good questions I mean, you know, sometimes I don't even know the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like bro, we're gonna have to go on some chat GPT and try to figure this out Like, but you know, he asks deep good questions, and I'm really proud of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't make the kind of grades my first two kids make
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just not doesn't have the same interest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just doesn't interest him as much But man, he's always got these really good questions and he's a sharp kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got he might pull off straight is this year But barely one or the two were just they're just they're little dopamine hit was like thing when they got good grades The youngest he ain't that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, next one, let them come up with their own rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm paraphrasing kind of the main theme of these posts that you do, and you will describe a situation that you were in, describe what you did, how you handled it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you're like, oh, I screwed this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you're like, oh, this got screwed up for me, or I could have done it better, but here's the lesson from the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them was, let them come up with their own rules and debate you or have, and as he wanted to stay up till 10 o'clock.
[SPEAKER_00]: and on a non-school night, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And, again, the great example of if you let someone come up with the rules, there's so much more apt to be okay with those rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't like being told what to do, so like when we're trying to make him go to bed at a certain time, I was like, hey, time out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you say what time you want to go to bed for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: What time should you go to bed?
[SPEAKER_02]: You tell me what makes sense, and he would say it, and I'm like, okay, then I don't have to remind you anymore, I'll tell you what to do, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if I do, I'm just going to start reducing it by 15 minutes every single time I have to bring it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're fully in bed by this time, is that correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yes, sir, I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he sets this little alarm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got this little Indian guy singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty funny, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ling, ling, ling, ling.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's into that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he goes off at five minutes before he brushes a teeth, he gets him bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Israel's not mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's actually a term for what you're describing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called psychological reactants and it is a natural human instinct to push back against things that we're told to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a natural thing, psychological reactants.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once you realize that, you look back at your whole life and be like, oh, every time I try to tell people what to do, they didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every time someone tried to tell me what to do, I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now look, are there exceptions to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you get a leadership vacuum when it's time to make a call?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with kids for sure, every time you tell them to do something, they usually don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now everything is on the timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows this timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we ride e-bikes to school.
[SPEAKER_02]: I already e-bikes everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen me running around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's probably three or four miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he leads.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now he knows how to signal with his hands, you know, so he learned how to write a e-bike for me and we've got We're on helmet coms, we're talking the whole time, so you know if he's going to do something stupid at least I can try and slow him down Because I think a lot of these guys, you see people doing stupid stuff on e-bikes I can't imagine what goes on in the ERs with those things and it's like, you know, at least he learned right for me I know before he gets out there with a bunch of his, you know, half looped develop brain buddies out there Try to do something crazy e-bikes are crazy right now in California
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah there's no rules i don't know what it's like in the rest of the country but look we live in southern california the weather is good a hundred percent of the time and so kids now they have these these vehicles these e-bikes some women go sixty miles an hour yeah and these kids rip on them too and like i will see first of all they have gangs yeah they they look like a motorcycle gang except for their 11 yeah but there'll be 32 of them
[SPEAKER_00]: all over the road, the sidewalks, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to say, I kind of like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of these little gangs around skateboards came up, two houses down for me, jumping off my neighbor's roof, like making videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's pretty gnarly, but I mean, yeah, the kids are getting after I wonder what's going to happen with the e-bike thing because I have seen there's been a couple of kids killed around here in Southern California riding e-bikes, but look kids got killed on regular bikes too, but kids there's no rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just no rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have any signaling devices,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things that's super fun until they regulate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like right now it's fun and they're going to probably put, you know, governor's honest and go that fast and they'll be some kind of like the like geo fence where you can write them, you know, it's going to, they're going to, they'll suck the fun out of it, but it'll also make it safer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not to be a downer, but the part of the, the, the bike, because there's category, how you say something goes super fast, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so it becomes a different category.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like a motorcycle, but electric, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And some kids with those high-end ones, they'll just go on the sidewalk and stuff like that and you know they're you know like rebellious kids But they're killing you can kill like old people like there's like an old guy who's just walking He's a substitute teacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just walking home.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets hit with it From one of these rebellious kids who's been kind on the hook for his reckless driving stuff like that And he's like you know he's rebellious kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: He continues doing a hits this old man kills them all this happened for real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah here in California
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get the quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does look cool, but it's like, I don't mean to be the old man, but I don't want to die from these freaking kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't follow rules.
[SPEAKER_01]: You same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's happening as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the relation is not good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that's such a bomber is, is it gives kids so much mobility to go wherever, you know, when they're 13 or 14 years old and being able to go to practice and the thing and
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you could do it on a regular bike.
[SPEAKER_00]: My son who's an older kid now, but he's like anti-E-Bikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he could do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was at first two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he paddled everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he will tell you, you know, uphill both ways the whole night in the yard.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd never rolled into a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, okay, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's, you know, that's the way it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have, we have a bunch of e-bikes, so I'm down for the e-bikes, but I think they're gonna break it up into categories with the laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think it's already like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's like one of these categories, these fast ones are like, okay, that's not an e-bikes, that's a motor cycle, you see I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have certain rules with that certain speed limit will be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know when I have has goes like 18 miles per hour?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can, yeah, but there's a little way you can unlock it to make it go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, the way that it bought for myself was when I was my son kind of took.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like he's, you know, that one can go fast and go like 30, 30 miles per hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is, I have a lot of mine so it goes faster.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, it's got those dorky dad baskets on it, you know, because I like, I shop off mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a school.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got like my socks pulled up like I look like that dorky dad, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so he don't arrive by bike, but it keeps him off it, but it's faster.
[SPEAKER_02]: How fast is his one?
[SPEAKER_02]: His goes 22.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, that's like that's like not crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, he pedal is or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I ain't going up the hill.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a pedal to get I got a 30 something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you think do you think that if you openly admit that you look like a dorky dad that that means you're not?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know I'm not I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pull up the school with the baskets on the bike.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, send it Yeah, I got a helmet on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were just in front of my shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're harassing me about my iPhone holster
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is funny because I, you know, I was surprised because I've been wearing a some kind of a phone clip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since I was the Admosade in 2005 and I had a Blackbird.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had two Blackberries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: One like for the classified stuff and one for unclass and like I had to carry them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they came with a little holster blackberry.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just hosted up with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know we got him because he's been making excuses for like, I mean, I know on air for like, no, no, it's one of those things where I don't even know what I would do with it if I didn't have.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, but you're right, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get you some of them tall white socks to go in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, it's hard, we're tall white socks, we're good, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I was asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to figure out, like, hey, we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of admit that I look like a dork.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no 100% of dork.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no escape, that's how.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I do have what my wife has in e-bike and I drive it sometimes and it is not a cool It's not like a cool now e-bike.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like looking yeah, you don't go damn that looks cool Now you go that dude's a door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's a range right like some of them
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, next one, have access capability before you need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, this is a good lesson, and you know what's interesting is, uh, one of the things we teach at echelon front is, don't try and build relationships when you need them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, trying build relationships when you don't, when actually when you can give something someone like that's when you want to build you know, I don't want to run Jimmy and say like hey, I need a favor, you know, I know I haven't talked to you a much over the last six months that we've been working together, but I need something from you now, can you help me?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not, that's not a good way to do it and your point was, you know, have excess capacity capability before you need it and I think the picture was snow chains going on a vehicle
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he and I were going out and we're going to maimeth for that big dump, you know, and we had We I brought no chains because that's what you do and man you'd be shocked how many people didn't have no chains I pull people out of the ditch.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got their kids in the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, bro You're gonna put your kids out here and you know it's got what but 57 or 70 inches of snow dropped and you're gonna show up here and that you know Ford Festiva
[SPEAKER_02]: No change.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, I don't know, I mean, I try to keep him prepared.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what we do, you know, and it's just an important thing, especially when you're head of a household, you head of a family, and that's what we're prepping him to be, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Revolence for life, even for a possum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there's a bunch of little critters around so Cal, you know, and we had a possum that was eaten our avocado, so I tasked the young man with a kept capturing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he needed a live traps, we caught it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We thought it wasn't a capture kill operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not capture well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a capture detain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to have to call it, yeah, they kind of give you the wink when they know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so we caught it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what do you want to do with this thing, buddy?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you want to kill it or he's like, well,
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there someplace we can take it and you guys know the famosa slew down here?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like our paulse and release his own.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, we can take it to the zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's have him go out there and, you know, just, we hunt.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we kill deer, but we eat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We kill we kill fish.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, we don't just kill for no reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that the food chain is healthy and important, but there's no reason to kill so if you don't need to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reference for life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this was a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Press tracks are free.
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically your boy had a dead man's gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we say, what we call in the seal themes, a dead man's gun, which means he didn't have a round in the chamber, pull the trigger, and it just went click and didn't go bang.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a huge violation in the SEAL teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a safety violation, but it's like a mortal sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's you are really going to catch some shit if you have a dead man's gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might end up taped up or happy had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and, you know, second place in the gunfight is a little place to be, you know, actually I've lost a few gunfights in my career, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's just a, it's a helpless feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was click and the other person looks at you and what's going to happen, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's never happened to me in real life, but when he did that, I had to like impress upon him how important that was that he knows a condition of his weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as a professional when you pick up a weapon, you should be well trained and you should be a professional with that weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And proficient at least, and the fact that he did not understand the condition of his weapon was a problem for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't punish him too hard, but I don't think the young man will have any more dead man's guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that was one of the main points that you made was like you could have told him you could have you could have preemptively saved him the embarrassment But you didn't and you know this is something I call a belating people brush up against the guardrails of failure And it's a beautiful thing to make a mistake on the range Yeah, that you will then never make again in your life
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's real positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually we just had a guy on the podcast to get it let the guy I grew up with and he got into an incident where he pulled a gun on someone like they were in a fight and he pulled a gun on someone Shot the guy wants shot the guy twice like in the gut.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy kept coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: He aimed at weapon at the guy's head and it malfunctioned
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he didn't kill him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fight kind of, I forget the rest of the story, but they broke up and when they went to court, the other individuals had instigated it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he didn't get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lawyer was like, hey, if I was just in Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: The judge said, you know, this was self defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, he said his lawyer spoke, and he goes, okay, I'm dismissing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the lawyer, the judge looked at him and said, hey, you better go in the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yes, anyone, the Marine Corps.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you would have known the conditions, weapon, or he would have known an immediate action drill, he would probably would have killed that guy, which for him would have been bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But well, the malfunctioned after two shots, then it's probably, that's not a condition issue, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't have an immediate action drill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: so well used to let me feel all the time in teams man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd do something you were running trade it and I was floundering.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember this one up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were just it was just mayhem.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys killed all of our guys and then you were just like What do you gonna do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to carry somebody like put some down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have someone else carry you're just like bugging me and I was like
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have any answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just let me fail and then I remember I failed so hard that I learned a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I learned a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably the biggest failure you let me have was when you asked me, this was actually real world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came back from the op and I didn't know where we were.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were like, show me on the map and I couldn't do it and you just sat there while I figured it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was I know you knew yeah, you just sat there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me figure it out and I remember I was so ashamed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like To this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always know where I am and my son knows that story.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know we walk out if you can't find the car I'm like you you can't know where you are you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a bad way to learn that lesson, and you know, it's probably one of those things that I looked at was like, I wonder if he's, you know, I wouldn't want you to roll out into a Romadi, not knowing where you are, but I probably didn't really even think of it, and then you whatever came back from an opens a good, do you know where you were?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, very lucky for my career was working in training cells a young seal and recognize the importance of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the first time I ever asked an officer, I remember what the officer was.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were out on land now and or they were out on a patrol and he's behind his point man and we were up in, we were up by Big Bear doing like patrolling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I,
[SPEAKER_00]: said, hey, you know, hey, LT, get out of your map and you got out of his map.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I said, do you see that mountain over there?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the most beautifully articulated terrain feature in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, find, show me that show me that, uh, no, on the map.
[SPEAKER_00]: And bro, he looked down and he started looking at the map and his first guess was like three kilometers off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, bro, you don't know where you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, it's the most important thing to know on the battlefield is where you are, but it applies to so many different parts of life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you savage beyond that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You straight up went through like, okay, so if someone down, you got to call cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're not the OIC, but you with the next guy, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, you just let everybody down, like you really,
[SPEAKER_02]: You're letting me have to hook, you know, and I'm glad you did that because that's a pretty important lesson I learned.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I learned it early.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, speaking of that, one of the things you have is passing on skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, man, you did say something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember the exact quote, but you said something like skills don't deteriorate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Skills don't disappear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, there was all the skills that you actually deteriorated.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you pass on those skills, this is the one thing that you kind of get for free that you can give to other people, the skills that you have, if you invest in time in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the cool thing about that is that, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about just what I know, but you've everybody's got skills, you know, and maybe you can play the guitar Maybe you can draw things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know stuff that I can't do, but these are things you can pass down to your kid You know, maybe you know a language.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are things that they can have forever and it's it's part of your legacy and setting your kids up for success And I think it's when I first to I have to say I didn't think this much about being a dad But now that I'm older I really am focused on trying to do the best job I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how it should be, you know
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not distracted by all the things I was in my youth and when I think about that, I'm like, what do I have to offer and I try to freely give him whatever I can?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think one of the things that I didn't really recognize until I had kids was the inability for kids to recognize what skills actually are and there's a couple examples of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one being
[SPEAKER_00]: And I put this in, in way of the warrior kit it's in there, but you know, my oldest daughter came home from school in jail, I'm stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why do you think you're stupid?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, well, I don't know my timestables.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, well, how much have you studied?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she, she looks at me like, what do you mean studied?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she thought you should just know how to, you should just know how to know your timestables, something you're born with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she literally thought she should just know them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, she should watch, look at them one time and now, the other kids know him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I taught her to make flashcards and she doesn't have a study.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a lot of people think, oh, yeah, you just, you kind of know how to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't know how to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shooting.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just don't know how to shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, you watch the movies and you see people, they just pick up a gun and shoot people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with a pistol at 20 yards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I was watching the TV show the other day, my wife got home and my wife was watching something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this dude Missed like there's like I know there's like a guy with an assault rifle who's shooting and and this guy has a drop on him with a pistol Yeah, and takes three or four shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh and shot the his his buddy No, he didn't hit the guy with that was the main threat and I'm like bro That's like you're gonna red dot on there bro chill out get a breath and free control this dude But but whatever it is you know even this the basic sports, you know hockey basketball soccer
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever sport man if your kid practices it they will be better and this is something I know you kind of like work in your kid through to get him a little familiar with you did so when it's show up it's more fun it's more fun when you know what you're doing it's more fun you got a little bit of that skill so well you know during COVID here in California they shut down all the schools they shut down churches and schools left over like left open like liquor stores and dispensaries it was kind of an interesting paradigm
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they shut down the school to public schools, and so I was like, I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I live in California, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like funny that you just said that, we just kind of carried on the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like full insanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was full insanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to shut down this mom and pop, you know, hardware store that
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's been here for a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been here for a hundred years that, that nine people go in a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one shut down, but home depot with all these people going in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one's staying open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that one stayed open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it made no sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was totally no sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's it, what's it?
[SPEAKER_02]: We asked them behind a strip club.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if anything were strip clubs open?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I heard they're open.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go, but I heard they were, I heard they're open.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I knew I could see your face on like I'm trapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now they didn't shut those things down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how did they not shut down strip up?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure it was like, it was probably, I don't know, I can only imagine it was probably like, hey, this is a required business for some, because why wouldn't you shut down liquor stores?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or marijuana dispensaries?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, that they weren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, we shut down at school.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we did the home school thing for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I'm not dumb, I tried, but I'm not a professional educator.
[SPEAKER_02]: like I really did I'd like go over the whole curriculum I was supposed to go through and not even add something cool like we're gonna change a tire or something you know like I tried to throw something else in there and teach him he was getting he was fall-in behind and so we got a software met rocket academy which is like a Christian private school here this is the best thing we ever did but the first when he first got in there he came home and he's like dad I'm dumb I'm like
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, buddy, you're not dumb and you're not dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, listen, it's my fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't do a good job, but also the public schools are behind the private schools.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they thought about rolling them back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some teacher there.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was so sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Took him under his wing, under her wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She straight up did like, you know, lunchtime.
[SPEAKER_02]: And did he, he struggled for that first year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the next thing you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: he's doing he's getting good grades but that summer was key and like the warrior kid book with the flashcards we did that we did this I call the head on like hey what's the next year stuff we're doing we did like we got ready on cathodals ahead of time we we got on the multiplication table everything we needed he went in
[SPEAKER_00]: ready the next year now he doesn't think he's dumb and I was just you know it was interesting he's just he's not dumb and it just broke my heart for him to hear hear him say that you know really we just didn't have him prep right after that we you know he's doing great now and that is something that will catch kids all the same way caught my daughter the same way caught your son is like and it happens you know I'm not good at this I'm not good at that the first time they go play baseball the first time they go play soccer and he've never done it before guess what you're going to suck
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this is the true, and there's a point in things that you have to get past to see what it's going to be like surfing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you don't stand up and ride the glass on a surfboard, that might take you, that might take you.
[SPEAKER_00]: one session, but it might take you five or six sessions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Might take you two or three sessions just to stand up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people don't even stand up the first time they go surfing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, so, do you like it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in cold water, I'm falling down, I can't breathe right, I don't want everyone to do this again.
[SPEAKER_00]: In Jiu-Jitsu, I always say, you have to train Jiu-Jitsu until you submit someone for real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you train Jiu-Jitsu until you submit someone for real, the entire journey up until that point is pretty much miserable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yeah, this, I'm terrible, this sucks, I don't like it, and there's so many different things that if you, you have to get enough of the skill that you can actually enjoy the activity before you decide whether you don't want to do it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Jiu Jitsu is, it's a perfect example because when I was just intrigued, I showed up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a good wrestler, I had a background, I was getting whipped, I'm like, what the hell is happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I didn't even know I had to tap and they're like, you want me to tap on like, I don't think so, like, oh man, I have to do this to tap, like, they're just being cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just had no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then actually that happened again when I met you in Ramadi and you're like, you wanna go roll up like, yeah, and then I'm like, what is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I, you know, I was like a blue belt by that time so I kind of had some time on earth
[SPEAKER_02]: in the on the mat, and it was a level I was not prepared for at that time, but yeah, that's the juicitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, wrecking for kids to end adults, by the way, because a lot of times adults avoid things, because they try one time they go, I don't like this, I'm not good at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one's good when they start, like very few people are good at something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I would say one out of every 100 people are kind of good at something, like, like, you get to, like, sometimes you roll with someone you go, this person's never really trained before, but they're going to be, you get to this tricky one.
[SPEAKER_00]: do just as kind of sugar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like shooting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have, they're naturally, probably probably three out of every hundred people, like they're going to be, they're just naturally good shots, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's three people that are naturally going to suck, and it's going to take a lot of work, and occasionally those kids get dropped from training.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but most of the time, those three kids that aren't that great, they'll have to practice a little bit more, but they'll get up to speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the rest of everyone's just kind of in the in the middle of the bell curve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're, yeah, you're.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a hard time learning pistol.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was jumping and took me a while to get it, but I eventually got it, you know, I didn't have to get rolled or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was on the range with some people that are not to not to fire arms familiar and again I was watching him It's like real people are like shaking and and like
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, I probably, I mean, I wouldn't do this for real, but I would feel pretty confident about just attacking me even if they had a gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think I could take them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I saw, if I saw some of these folks on a range and I was like, oh, bro, I got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can be a hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take this full bow right now, because it's not because if you don't have that natural skill and you've never done it before, bro, you're going to problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the things that made it executive, we'll talk about that later, I know, but I do a lot of shooting ranges with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have Canadians down here that never touched a gun, and they're literally shaking when they do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see them, like, they just can't stop, and it's like, hey, guys, get your shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: You pick it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does what it says.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does exactly what you can't do anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It only does.
[SPEAKER_02]: What what you do and if you you know the big three safety rules you keep those things in mind We can like go and usually buy the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty good I've had guys trying to load the magazines a wrong way like putting the bullets in the wrong way But by the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: But by the end, you know that I had these discontinued in group and they were like wow We thought guns were a bad, but actually if I was trained by you it'd be okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah You know, it's just people just don't know and they just they freak out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy So pass on skills
[SPEAKER_00]: Learn skills and pass them on.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, learn skills and pass them on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's little things that you can learn how to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this is a good for your neurological health.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's to continue to learn new things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So learn skills, pass them on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last one I want to talk about that I noted was defeating learned helplessness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this, I don't know, do you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard that from Mark Schaefer, and the problem was people were just like, they would see something and it would just be like, oh, it's too hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And instead of trying to fix it themselves and then just learn to, I haven't heard anywhere else except for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's an experiment, it's kind of a famous experiment or whatever, not famous, but it's an experiment that gets done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you take a classroom of people or whatever, 20 or 30 people and you divide them into two groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have problems to solve.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one group, the first, let's say five problems are relatively easy, and the other group, the first five problems are impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they go, okay, they give them the first problem, and like one group's like, oh, they get it, second group can't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they get the second problem, third problem, fourth problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the sixth problem, they give them like a medium level
[SPEAKER_00]: Got all these other ones done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, they know that they got it done and they also can tell that the other people couldn't get it done because they're like, you know, put your pens down when you're done and the other people are still trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the people that had achieved repeatedly, they get this medium level problem and the people that have been defeated.
[SPEAKER_00]: They they can't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is very common.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like that uh, you know, when you when you have to they would take two mice And you put them in a to fight each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the winning mouse has like an 80% chance of beating the next mouse Because it just gets confident and then it starts walking around just being like, oh, I can kick ass
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea of learn helplessness is a real thing and where this plays in is when you go and swoop in to solve problems for your kids and they think that they can't do anything themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the example you used in this?
[SPEAKER_02]: The one that comes to mind, I don't know what I can't remember specifically, but he high-centered his foe wheeler is before I got him a dirt bike at a foe wheeler and he high-centered his foe wheeler and he's like, we're on comms, like, hey daddy, help me get this I'm like, sure, I grow up like, hey, so what I think you should do is like, dad, you can lift this I'm like, oh, I know I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, you're going to help me, I'm helping you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, which I want you to lean forward and try and rock and then hit the throttle and it took a while and he had some tears going, he's frustrated, mad at me, you know, he's like, you could just pick this, I'm like, I am, I'm helping you right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And later on, I heard him as friend was at our house and they were like, well, let's get your dad to help and he's like, dad won't help us.
[SPEAKER_02]: That will help us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to figure out on our own and I was kind of laughing on like that's right That's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it should be awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, check those out LinkedIn you do these posts like I don't know like Maybe once a week or once every other week do something and you got a bunch of other stuff on there But I thought those were interesting not only from a leadership of your family, but of everyone
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think just I think I would like to see parents take ownership of their home in a way I didn't, for my first two kids and now it's just such an important thing and I've just, it's one of the most rewarding things in my life is to get to be part of his life and you know, I still work to help my older kids there fiercely independent, you know, like I'm proud of them, but I didn't get to do a lot with them and so I'm so grateful for my second chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's pretty amazing that your other two kids are so awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like... Bro, I guess you didn't do too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, you better.
[SPEAKER_00]: No pressure on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if you're listening us right now, kid, Ryker's like, no, don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just do, you just do a good job, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk a little work activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got made a executive.
[SPEAKER_00]: These kind of like our team building exercises, pressure situations, unifying a crew, tells about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it started off, I went to business school and I was like, oh, I guess I can do consulting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I started doing consulting and they're like, hey, can you do an icebreaker?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it just turned into straight-out adventures.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm doing now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been a blast, you know, for me, I get to be part of someone's biggest thing they've wanted to do in their whole life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's not always companies.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of YPO, it's young president organization, a lot of EO.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also it's a lot of companies who want to do business development.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they just come up to dream something up crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like they want to go shoot a 200 pound fish so they want to go crash a car or learn J turns pit maneuvers are
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, blow something up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, like they'll usually be like, what do you mean okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, just let me do some math.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll come up with a number and we'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And usually they're kind of aside themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, what we can make it happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have any advertising.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have anything going on like that, but I'm booked through February right now of next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just super busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a lot of repeat-offender customers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And man, it's just been a really fulfilling thing because little things that we don't think about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a big deal to some people, you know, I had a job where we were doing spearfishing, and these guys, they were just like, seven dudes, executives, I always wanted to try it on my gag, I got you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we take them out and, you know, before we pull up on this, it's floating kelp paddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're like, I don't know, like 50 miles out to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we throws hook in the water, and men, we hook up to this make-o-shark.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't, it was, I don't know, not big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was 35 feet, so I'm like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_02]: It comes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get it right to the edge of the boat and then that thing spits the hook and I'm like that is the perfect scenario.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone got to see the shark and none of us have to mess with that tooth monster, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So then I'm like let go check for fish.
[SPEAKER_02]: I jump in and I look up what they do and he's looking at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I was like hey, he's getting the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, as a shark and they're I'm like, you saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get in the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they do like, gets in the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: We swim up, we check, no fish.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this is a disaster.
[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't seen any fish yet today.
[SPEAKER_02]: This whole thing is just sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get on the boat, the dude gets out and he's like, I just got in the water with the known shark, and I'm like, you did?
[SPEAKER_02]: that is what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually factual.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I learned from that was like, you know what, everyone has the things they're overcoming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think much of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably wouldn't have thought much of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, for him, that was a really big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was really cool for me to get to be part of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think, but I remember the guy's name, you know, because I just see the light in his eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we do every week because we come over we overcome somewhere with jumper Apple plane or doing something out of helicopter or whatever they want to do and I get to be part of that And it's been a really I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been just a joyful thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah That's that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was there's a documentary out right now and it's called the dark wizard And it's about a guy named Dean Potter who is a rock climber based jumper free solo guy
[SPEAKER_00]: And at one point, and he, Alex Honald was coming up behind him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a little bit younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this guy, Dean Potter, like, wasn't quite as skilled as Alex Honald was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Alex Honald is just kind of doing things that this guy wants to do, and Alex Honald is just kind of doing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: and so he's feeling a lot of pressure and at one point he kind of signs up and he started doing this thing that he called free base which is free solo climbing so no ropes but wearing a base rig like a little tiny base rig so if he fell he had a chance of being able to pull but not a whole lot safer not a whole lot safer
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, when you're 2000 feet up in Yosemite, then, you know, if you think you're not going to make it, you can kick off, you know, track away and hopefully be all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was his plan and he had this one, this one climb scheduled.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've been Yosemite?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's planning to do this like top part of LCAP.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do this little repel-down traverse across and then climb up maybe 700 feet something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and if you have the Xenal cap, it's a scary three thousand three thousand straight up vertical.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what it's what it's what Alexander climbed and in free solar And yeah, when you look at it from the ground, it's totally insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why, you know, that's to me is the greatest human physical
[SPEAKER_00]: Act voluntary.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's ever been no because I think people have done more extreme things involuntarily Like the baton death march or there's a bunch of me you could go through, but first photos of just volunteering Roger and up to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it So He's planning to do this with the base rig
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were at odds with Yosemite because base jumping is illegal and they said listen you're not allowed to what you're not allowed to wear a base rig you can't you can't base jump you can't have a base rig when you climb.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he kind of just.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like well you got the film crew here you're gonna climb this with a base rig you're not allowed to wear a base rig what are you gonna do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he sent it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: the look and I think you and me will be like more familiar with the look of the same guy getting in the water with the shark like do not want to be doing this right now and you can kind of see it and it's really it was really hard for me to watch I was like dude he does not want to be doing this right now yes he does not want to
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's doing it without the bass rig.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no bass rig.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's free climbing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's free soloing it with no bass rig and bro I mean Alex Arnold when you watch him climb you're just like you're you're you're feeling when you're watching Alex Arnold climb my feeling when I watch Alex Arnold climb
[SPEAKER_00]: is he's got this like that's literally when you watch him you're just like he's got this and even when you talk to him like he was on this podcast you know you can speak like you can see that he's just very um um methodical and logical and he's got this you know and if you you get the feeling that if you said hey do this and you look assess it be like like i'm not i'm not capable doing that or i am and i can do it and so i'll send it
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get your watch him like, dude, this guy does not want to be doing this, and the dude is a great, great documentary, it's called the Dark Wizard, but when your life isn't at stake.
[SPEAKER_00]: overcoming those things like it's a really positive thing which is exactly what you're talking about and that's what you're doing with these groups and what I like about it is It's a it allows there's a vulnerability there with an a team people see each other at a Moment of weakness they get to see each other step up power through maybe they see people's limitations And you know, there's nothing wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just literally
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely we had a guy that freaked out in the water like he had a little water in a smuckle, you know, a little things uncomfortable and you're in the middle of the ocean.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like you're a pie and he just panicked and I was like You know, I grabbed him drug into the boat and we kind of got up on the thing and I was like what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, I'd like water in my smuckle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like It's as always gonna be water in a smuckle.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always gonna be all these little things and I think that's been kind of my teaching points with spearfish and it's like a all these little things are gonna bug you
[SPEAKER_02]: But you've got a mission to do and you have to focus on that and kind of tune all those things out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just know they're going to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always going to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly he lost my spear gun, which was, uh, that's a bummer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, I didn't, I didn't beat him up for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm glad you're safe, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't float.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is the more you do something the more comfortable you get with it and you're going to have water in your snorkel and people are going to ask you hard questions at your board meeting and your employees are going to get mad about like these are things you have to get used to you have to get conditioned to you get to get that stress management so you can so you can overcome it and figure it out you know that's when you when you figure out that's one thing you figure out in the water man and and I think buds does a good job of either
[SPEAKER_00]: Showing this to you and you figured out or you don't figure it out and you don't make it if you Freaking panic in the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to make it through buds
[SPEAKER_00]: You think that's accurate?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's absolute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of, I mean, during pull company, you definitely don't have any air.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're out of air.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they grab you in the swing you around and you don't have any air left and you're, there's nothing and you just, you have to relax and solve the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because as soon as you start thinking about, oh my gosh, we're out of air.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you've just met you missed a step and you're gonna fail anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's an important thing that really sets our people, our guys, apart in the teams, is that that water aspect is, as an ass demon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was actually the hardest thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot panic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's not a very, it's not a very far stretch to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm getting shot at.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot panic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm jumping in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have an airplane.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot panic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm confused about what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot panic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That becomes the nature of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you what, there's been a couple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one time on a swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was on a swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I almost pulled my UDT life jacket.
[SPEAKER_00]: just massive waves.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was using Coronado and I was, you know, caught a wave trying to come back in and I caught the first wave and was a little bit like I got like all flustered and discombobulated and went deep and
[SPEAKER_00]: When I came up, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, that's boom, and I got hit with something else, and all of a sudden I'm down there and I'm like, oh, wait a second, I haven't taken a breath in quite some time, and I was already tired, and this could be bad, and I started thinking, am I going to pull my UDT life jacket right now, but the cool thing is I was like, no, you're just going to relax and you're just going to float, you have your wets who don't, you're going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that and then there's there's been probably two maybe three times surfing where I had to Detach a little bit and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right You got a relax right now because the you don't know which way is up you got a freaking chill You don't have any air, but panic and he's not gonna help the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably happened two or three times for me surfing
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I see it a lot of times during the week and what's cool is I'll see people panic and if I can get them right back in that same situation like hey listen calm down come back to me, you know, we were doing a pit maneuverage with cars and I had this lady and she just, I mean she just couldn't relax, she's like she nailed that car like so hard and then of course you could hit it in a wrong spot, it goes up in the engine and you know up into the compartment with the people are at.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, she's just got out and she's like, I just can't do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, all right, come over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, breathe, check this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had, we had to watch another couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we had to do like a practice approach or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she nailed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it was just so cool to see and you could just see or be like, oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always I so worried about them like it's because you just didn't have any experience and now you got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're good Watching people go through those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a powerful thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love my job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do it every week and you know I always tell people like if I'm if I say I'm gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the world's worst negotiator I'm gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether that's like I'll give you a price price.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so we'll figure it out
[SPEAKER_00]: The crunching sound that cars make where they hit is such an interesting sound and it's almost like a visceral sound when people hear it for the first time You hear the crunching and folding of metal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it freaks people out and you know there are things when they get in that car I got to tell all the herbags out because you can't get hit with an herbag and herbag opens at 200 miles an hour You get hit with that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's no bueno, and there's a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not just like one in the front There's like
[SPEAKER_02]: In the seats behind you, there's like side curtain, so I'm like cutting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you get in this car, the inside looks like tater, like it does not look like what you're used to seeing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people get in this thing and they're like, what is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got like metal bolted on the front like mad max, because I can kind of make these cars last a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's an exciting thing when people see it and then they get in there and then they start bumping around and because we just have this, we don't want to like actually make contact at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And once I start, I force people start doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of opens up the aperture a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after a diving school, we go home with a worse driver's ever, you know, I'm sure there's a little bit of that, take a listen on it's a good thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: When when I would cheat you know, my kids to drive, I would bring them down to the Marine Corbets and there's a big giant parking lot, and I would just make my kids drive to the limit of a Dodge Caravan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just, I remember that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That thing out, like tires would be smoking breaks would be burning.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, then when you go back and you drive normal, like you're just so much better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime you can up the intensity of a situation, people get used to that higher intensity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you come back to normal, it's like, oh, that's how we shark take people in like MMA training.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna, you're gonna be in this shark tank, and it's gonna be absolutely freaking awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go to a normal fight, and you're like, oh, okay, there's not gonna be another person and another person and another person and another person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can handle this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, dude, I had these cars dropped off for an event.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing, so I have all these cars dropped off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had someone to help me take them up, because I had to drive them like a mile down this dirt road.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had one coming the next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have anyone to help me do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, all right, so Ryker and I go up there, and I've got my E-bike, and I'm going to, my plan is to drive it up there, and then drive the E-bike back and get the, you know, anyway, I look at him on my K. And you drive this?
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you sure?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yes, sir, I'm like, show me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we sat and we drove down the dirt road all the way there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, pretend a car's coming in front of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, it's coming now and like he pulls over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Travis back, he drove his back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, follow me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just drove it down there and he set it up and then he was like, Dad, can you not have a drift?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yes, I'm ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had a little fun with it after that, but you know, he once he proved to me, he could do it and he got over that initial,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anytime you can get people familiar thing, teach them a skill, but then also when you can elevate the training scenarios to be harder and more demanding than what they're going to face in real life, like when you get somebody out spearfishing at 70 feet on a breath hold and shoot net an animal that's going by and then trying to get control that thing and like then they get to go back to a boardroom and they got to present something like, you're going to
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had one of these executive shot a 130-pound bluefin tuna.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this sense coming by and I don't know, 40 miles an hour and this thing came in and man he shot that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so excited for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a little overwhelmed and he got up he's like there was a lot but I don't know man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He immediately booked two more trips with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like we're doing this again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm taking him out here in about a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you also got this
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is kind of a new thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my little brother, I mean, he finished high school like 17, he hated school, just didn't make good grades, but he was super wicked smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he came up with this little, it's this little thing that you put on a cell phone tower between the wire and where it's called the splice of the tower, the tower pieces.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a simple thing, and I've showed it to you when you look at it, you're like, well, I wouldn't you do it this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's obviously the superior way to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we got that move, and we got the patent done in November, and so we're working on that, and you know, I'm just kind of working ops for that piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's a really cool way to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll make the whole industry safer, because now you've got guys hanging off, you know, three, four hundred feet up in the air, and they're got like trying to tape this, this cable, and like put this little loop in it on the top and bottom,
[SPEAKER_02]: Lay it, the cable pilot on it, and this pull it right up, and it's about 25% faster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Less time up on the tower is safer, and so I think it's only a matter of time before ANC and OSHA start getting a hold of this thing, but it's going real well, and I'm proud of my brother for coming up with it, and I'm just kind of like helping set all the business pieces in motion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we work with a lot of construction companies and power companies, so all my line men out there that are out there, check this thing out.
[SPEAKER_00]: The website is what's the website?
[SPEAKER_02]: www.meda.solutions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Made a solutions.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no dot com or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the thing called the cable pilot?
[SPEAKER_00]: The cable pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it just just helps you route those cables around around the splice plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the cables also aren't now rubbing up against the splice plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the splice plate getting all chafed and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yep, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I tried to be an investor, but I think you denied me for some reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked the boys about it yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, they're like, I have to be cool to have job going involved, but I don't think we need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to edit that out of the podcast, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Told all the widening company in America.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to, let's get to be on the brotherhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because it's been a lot of really great stuff going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And first of all, just refresh us on why you started it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so beyond the brotherhood is, that's the major mission in my life aside from my son and my younger kids and cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: But beyond the brotherhood, it started within four months of my retirement, four of my teammates killed themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two of which I knew really well, you know, I knew Bobby Merrish pretty well, and then Mike Day, you probably knew Mike, he was older guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I just didn't know, I was kind of beside myself, you know, I'm like, you've got all these people Essentially getting rich off the SEAL ethos, whether they're, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna talk bad about people but the actors or the The movies are making and these people are getting rich and the guys are actually built that ethos that they're capitalizing on are suffering, struggling and killing themselves
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, with Bobby, I spent all weekend with Bobby before the weekend before, and then it happened on Monday, and I didn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I went back over our conversations, and it just didn't seem, we didn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I couldn't even spell 501c3, but I'm like, we're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we, we just started this up, and with the goal was like, hey, let's, you know, screen and select Navy sales a character for the next mission in life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just to give them a chance because these guys are getting out and they don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I didn't have social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: I luckily I went to business school, so I had kind of a little bit of a network, but they don't know, they don't know what they don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they get out and they're like, I'll do executive protection.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like these guys have made it to the pinnacle of warriorhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: The same traits that took them to get there are going to help them in business.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's going to help them in other walks of life that they don't have to carry a gun for people all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was something that we wanted to really start with, so I didn't know where to start but I just started.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the plan was to take in three to five people that first year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we screened them, we took in 23.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, I didn't know the demand was going to be like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ran out of money, I had to shut down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Admissions and then we had to like build a pipeline because now I'm like, okay, this isn't just like, hey, bro, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I got enough people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to make a pipeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of built a pipeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brought Sean Murphy on.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been on your podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we started building this whole thing out in the next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We opened up and we took in 22 before we ran our money again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know I'm like okay, we got a throttle this we can't I mean, it's important that we do it and you know I cut my pay down to the bare minimum the board would allow you say just real quick when you say take someone in just Kind of explain what that means about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we start with a screen and process so we will ask One superior one peer and three subordinates and those lenses should align
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they don't, that just tells us we got a pull to string, you know, like everyone should see you up and down the chain, the same kind of person you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: The person above you shouldn't think you're the super nice guy and squirt away and the people beneath you shouldn't be like, no, he's a dick like we see that all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't be that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should be the same person across the board and we've already talked about that today actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we screen them once they get in, the first thing we do is we give them a personality assessment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that personality assessment is not just like, hey, your ESTJ, it's like, hey, this here's a result.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sit down with the guy that made it and we're going to go over this assessment and make sure that open up your aperture about what you might want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we've got a medical aspect of it, because a lot of guys come in, they're on, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: in the teams, you know, you get shot or you get a ding on you, that, hey, here's some white pills, take these, take a shot, get back on the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're happy to do it because we don't want to get pulled off the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so at the end of your career, you're on all sorts of stuff, you know, I was on every N-sid because I had FA-kips, I couldn't even walk, I couldn't sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was on N-sids and then guy, that's a non-ster, anti-inflammatory, so like, mobick, stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that was Daablin and opiates because it was just I couldn't sleep without it and so you can I can see that spiral and a lot of these guys They're on stuff to make them sleep stuff to make them stay awake and so we get them off all that and I'm on nothing anymore Like I actually they use CBD to grab to bridge a gap for me and now I'm off of everything I don't even take that so it we have to get them healthy again if they need time to reconnect with their families We're gone 300 days a year jacco you worked till your last day in the Navy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you did
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, like, what are you doing here?
[SPEAKER_02]: So NGB doing some VA stuff, and you're like, I'm just got to finish this, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of guys are like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't take the time for themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we kind of help them with their VA claims.
[SPEAKER_02]: We help them get their CRSC combat related service connected, which means you get tax-free on not your disability, but on your retirement.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are big things for guys who don't, you know, your retirement.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't necessarily raise a family and live on that on the backside.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then after that, we start introducing to a mentor, so someone in the business world, a non-team guy, someone that can be like, hey, that thing you said is aggressively stupid to say, you don't say that in a freaking board room, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like someone that will like, you know, understand how to like coach them to greatness, and then we give them one opportunity at a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try the steel industry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, give the shot over here in the insurance industry and then we just start kind of like getting them started until it doesn't work the first time all the time You know sometimes, but I would say usually it takes two or three before we find them a niche that's important and you know
[SPEAKER_02]: of all of our guys we've got like 60 something guys now not a single suicide from the highest the highest the highest uh probability guys of doing that and I well I say highest probabilities because the guys the kill themselves are not the turds they're the guys that we've put on the line over and over who goes to combat over and over your best guy where do you put your best guys right up front
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're the ones eating the blast.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the ones right up in front getting shot at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are the guys who have got the most damage and that we need to care for the most.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I knew that I couldn't, like, I wasn't going to be able to cast in it and just help everybody at once, but I'm like, what we're going to do is we're going to focus our shots where they count, which is on those guys who are most at risk, which is on those best high character guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's worked out really cool because of my partners, the people that are hiring from mentoring, they know what we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they start seeing these guys, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you got more of them, I'm like, well, I can't mass produce them, but they're screened, they're selected.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now let's say you get a job as you want to be in reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we set up in real estate, we'll set you up with a team, we'll set you up with a mentor, we'll get your real estate license, we'll get all of it, because it costs money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just show up and be like, hello, I'm a realtor today.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like little things you have to, we'll take care of all that for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll set you up and get you on a path.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's no one size fits none.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people want to be entrepreneurs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We help them find money to get started.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's lots of different ways to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're got search funds that will hire our guys and our guys to go out and they'll spend a year looking for a job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looking for a company to buy and then they'll buy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll get a 25% stake.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now they'll build this company and the goal is within five years to sell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Within beyond the brotherhood, all of our guys are team guys running it, you know, Drew Forrestburg is our executive director.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to get poached.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happened to Sean Murphy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Murphy was phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you what I had to spiritual Hiroshima when they, when he told me he's like, hey, they got this, they made this offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at the offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I can't match that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, well, I mean, I don't want to leave you high and dry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you need to do this for your family, Sean.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a good thing for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm going to go be sad for a while and so I figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you need to do this for your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, and shout out to a university of health and performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Matt has down there running that thing and Sean Murphy, great fit for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what they're doing, by the way, is also a really positive thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to take care of veterans and get them into a new life when they get done with their military career.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a great fit for Sean and yeah, like you said, it's a painful for you, but you know, it's a better for him and and good great for his family and it's going to be great for the University of Health and Performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is and actually they're looking to hire some more guys and I think the Sean has lay in the groundwork there and and Sean didn't quit I mean when he before he stepped down on my kid buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need you to number one prep drew number two come on the board He's like Yes, so he came on and now he's he's still contributing still working But he that was a call he had to make for his family so anyway, we're all that was to say the guys were working for us and they get poached and that's good You know I it took me a while to eat swallow that jagged pill that you know what we're gonna lose guys
[SPEAKER_02]: but this is just a stepping stone because we don't pay him what they're worth in the market we just can't afford it we're not profit and we're trying to like put every single penny we can towards the boys that's what we do so the guys know that so they're going to get poached and that's okay because we got guys coming behind them and these guys aren't going to leave me high and dry they're going to train and train the next generation and we'll get this flywheel moving
[SPEAKER_00]: So last time you were on, did we talk about what happened with the whole board, the old board, and all that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we talked a little bit about it, but you know, I've full respect to those guys, you know, what they wanted, how to be TV was not what I wanted, and you know, a couple board meetings and row, I was like, hey, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you, if that's what you want this to be, then you need to like change a mission state because I'm going to execute this mission statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: We screen a select maybe sales character of the next mission or you should fire me and, you know, about the third board meeting they're like, hey, we see what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not what we want to have in mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we all quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they stepped down, I felt like a gut punch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, these are guys I respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are guys that are friends of mine, and they don't want to support this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a jagged pull to swallow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It took me about a week to figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had like a tombstone moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know when tombstone and they're just, he got pinned down and there's a shootin' at him and he just goes like,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I was at MIT when I dropped for some folks the wrong crew and when I just walked out and I called you first, the first number I called, I'm like, hey buddy, I need some help and you're like, I don't have time to talk about it, the answer is yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you said to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said, call me tomorrow, like, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one, you were in, and then I called Steve Katina, and then I called Geo, and then I called Greg McLean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone said yes, everyone jumped on board, and now, man, it's just, it's been growing exponentially under this, just, the y'all's leadership is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember that conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was actually driving to trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, hey, I got to talk to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need, I need a favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't have time right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the answer is yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll meet tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where you get a friendship dues.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when your brother calls you, you've got to just step up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you don't really know what you're stepping up for.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you, if it's your friend, and you know they do it for you, well, then the answer is yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, can you now tell me what the thing is because yeah, I didn't know yeah, but So that that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also what and so you got Drew stepped up and Drew's a stud
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Sean and Sean and I are kind of similar personalities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Drew is completely 180 for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is very analytical, very data-driven, very much an integrator, whereas I'm more of like a visionary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's exactly what we needed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I, you know, I was sick over Sean Leaven, but you know, God had a plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Drew is delivered in spades.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy is so organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the things that I wasn't he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just really helped us get to the next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you see the products on my board meetings where nowhere near as good as his or tight, you know, I'm just really proud of the job he's doing and happy to have him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got 60 plus fellows have gone through.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting placed in all kinds of different businesses, all kinds of different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got, like you got guys like you said, already said in real estate people that are doing, you know, 15, 20, 25 deals a year's real estate agents,
[SPEAKER_02]: on a bad market yeah in a crap market with a freaking seven and a half percent interest right in your talking about air and painier by the way the great air and pain that dude was one of my first class guys you know air and yeah and man he's coming over here he's stepped up big time for B.T.B.
[SPEAKER_02]: he does he puts on his own fun razors he's like he gives back as fast as he can he's another guy call out my k i need to I don't finish my sentence he's like I'm in I'm like okay so
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, we got you can got a guy running for a Senate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sports running for Senate and Adam Shwarzy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Swarzy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Learning for Senate in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of problems in Minnesota out here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like there could be a couple things that could get straight out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There all are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and you know, Adam is a guy that we stood beside.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they, uh, they ended up, they took his tried and from him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason why is because he was trying to run for Congress when he was still active duty and and he's like, okay, well, so he had to withdraw that and that's why they took it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's since had it reinstated, but the dude is a part of gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's working hard and I think that his hearts and right place from Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see term limits come through.
[SPEAKER_02]: On these people, he's going to be a new fresh guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like when you're new guy you're fired up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, these guys who are in there for 30, 40 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have fat bank accounts after 30 or 40 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow they have the fattest bank accounts, bro, that, that corruption up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, now they're picking a part call for you, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, it's so sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's as bad if not worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just heinous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, actually, you know, Nick Shirley was up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they just made a law right here called Nick Shirley Law, which means he's not allowed to do that here.
[SPEAKER_02]: like you're not allowed to expose like her up shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally insane man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a way to spin that another way?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want you to hear too close the disgust.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, you know, our forefathers in America got taxed on T.
[SPEAKER_00]: And said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they had a tombstone motor.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not gonna pay tax on two.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our thing again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't tax us on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna fight and we're gonna fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna have a revolution.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna fight a war because you're trying to tax us.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you think about what is happening with the taxpayers money in this country right now, it is absolutely disgusting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, we're in a, maybe it's because we're in a, a good spot as far as quality of life goes in America, but A, are we really, and B, the founders of America?
[SPEAKER_00]: They were people that were in good spots themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the few revolutions in the history of the world where the revolutionaries actually had something loose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most time revolutions take place because, you know, I have nothing, I don't own anything, I'm hungry and I'm going to go kill people until I get what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happens most revolutions.
[SPEAKER_00]: This revolution here in America, we...
[SPEAKER_00]: We, a lot of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, they were people that had land, people that had money, people that had companies and businesses, and they risked it all because they wanted freedom.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they also didn't want to pay tax on this dumbass to this king.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why we paying a tax to a king or you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_00]: So now here we are, and you know, we get swamped with taxes in California.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look around and you say, oh, you know, I guess, you know, okay, maybe someone's a really positive thinker and they're an optimistic person.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say, you know, I don't mind paying taxes because, you know, the kids need education and got to take care of the public schools and I like to have a pay road and we're playing for the fire department and we're paying for law enforcement to protect us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, okay, you know, I can pay some money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you start seeing where that money is going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to the police.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to law enforcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to the fire departments.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to the things that are not just maybe things that I wouldn't consider important to me, but things that I would actually consider to be
[SPEAKER_00]: the antithesis of what where a money should be spent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw something before we rolled in here today that California, the state of California has spent 160 million dollars to give iPads to prisoners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I want my $160 million back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not, if you are in jail, you do not get an iPad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not buying you an iPad and neither should anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's one little item.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one, if that gets happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now you hear about some of this hospice care scams like it's it's going to be it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a reckoning coming You know, it's kind of it's it's interesting You know organized crime when I grew up on the East Coast organized crime when I was a kid It was a real thing good parallel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a real it was a real it was a real thing and it was deep and There's some a number of things that happened that really disrupted it
[SPEAKER_00]: number one they made laws, you know, they made laws that the Rico laws where, you know, if you got rolled up as Jimmy May, but you are connected to me and you are a low level street guy, you instill an up getting 30 years or 40 years or 50 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So guess what, Jimmy May goes, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you about my boss and yeah, that's what they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that really hurt the organized crime, but then the other huge part of it is just the electronic accounting Like you can't hide money like you used to be able to and so now that that's what we're seeing That's why a guy like Nick Shirley, you know his original leads were like wait wait a second Where's that's money cut?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going wait how many odd why is there a 700% increase in autism treatment in Minnesota
[SPEAKER_00]: in three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the technology is starting to reveal all these things that have been hidden in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think just like organized crime has a much harder time being organized crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not even close to what it was in the 40s, 50, 60, 70s.
[SPEAKER_00]: 80s kind of went and got cleaned up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a huge business.
[SPEAKER_00]: billions of billions of dollars in organized crime billions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, but he got stopped because of technology and and law enforcement laws got changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, there's laws being passed and not I'm talking about the next shortly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you're not allowed in California to expose things, but there's other laws that are being passed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as I for all laws, those things come on board plus we have technology and plus taxpayers going look, man,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm an American.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling pretty, you know, I got my house.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I got my house and I pay my mortgage and I got a two cars and I'm pretty happy about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand I got to pay taxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a, that's kind of a pretty general American attitude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of us think that all taxation is is theft.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of us think that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of us do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people go, oh, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind paying a little bit because you know, I got a fire department and want to take care of my law enforcement and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at a certain point, they go wait a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm paying for for what for iPads for people that are in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I paying for iPads for people that in prison?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I paying for a hospice, a hospice.
[SPEAKER_00]: hospital that exists in a motel somewhere where there's, you know, supposed to be 70 people there and there's zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I paying for that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just going to go and by the way in California, we also have that, uh, the high speed rail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a high speed rail, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's billions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Billions of dollars for something that is first of all dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: And second of all, there's no progress, and it's behind, and it's billions of dollars over budget.
[SPEAKER_00]: At a certain point that American blood will say, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not paying this shit anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully you know we'll just elect some people that will straighten it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know and I don't even a lot of people don't trust the elections anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've definitely been skeptical.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and you know, they had a really good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, hey, we'll put the solar panels to cover up this whole canal and you know, it's real estate, and it's a good idea, but everyone's like, there's no way you're going to pull this off.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't even build, you know, a train.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you going to pull this off?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're not going to give it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this the government is lost, uh, credibility here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the tonic credibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're, well, already what we already talked about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much credibility is the government get when they were, you know, shutting down schools and keeping liquor stores open?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: and the whole thing, the six foot spacing and the, the, but the mask on your, all those things, all those things, and you know what, it'd be one thing, it would be totally different.
[SPEAKER_00]: If someone said, hey, you know what, we didn't really know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I thought that the put-cross on your face was gonna make a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turns out it wasn't, hey, I'm sorry, I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: hey the schools we didn't know and we just shut them down and you know I was wrong no one said that no one is taking any ownership of any of it and so it's a very disturbing you know the still teams that they I was wearing opposite group owns one down there like hey what do we do and I remember I looked at the calendar and like you got to be ready for like other operations down arranged and I looked at them like okay we can take three weeks off and not disrupt anything
[SPEAKER_02]: And so let's just take a knee for three weeks and see because I don't know, I don't know, I don't know till you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll still take a knee for three weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then at three weeks, I'm like, we've had a bunch of guys get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's fine in five days.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys are young and strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best thing we could do is probably have a big chicken box party for COVID and be over with.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have Seal deans back online in five days, but I know we can't underwrite that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just train.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we did and we know that's what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got my vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got my job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not running for anything, but I would vote for you, Jocker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the things that you do beyond the brotherhood are kind of a little bit of a reflection of what you do at Mayday Executive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me and you got Apex Assaultary.
[SPEAKER_00]: What goes down with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you're helping us with apex assault her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was our best fundraiser ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Draco.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically when I started I didn't know how to raise money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to ask people from money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm terrible at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I decided I would just do like a made a executive event and I'd do a couple of them a year and that's how I would fund BTB.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we started off doing these things and then the idea for Apex Assulter got launched from my friends at Limitless, Charlie Arbor and Ken Nackleroy, there are big time investors that had me come up there and do a job for them for something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they, they're like, hey, that's, that's bus to say picks a solter and you think you get Jocco to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm pretty sure I can get Jocco to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it turned out we did, we did some like pit maneuvers and J turns.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had half the group initially.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to sell 12 slots.
[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up selling 24.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I split it half and half.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we did,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, half of the people up on the top shoot in a range, the bottom half doing like car crashing, and they flip flopped.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to meet you, have a conversation with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the last day, this was actually super cool, a company called DNI, which is a, it's a Delaware nation industry.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are, they do government contracts.
[SPEAKER_02]: their leadership was down here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those two guys at the end, I was like, hey, thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: We raised more money than ever raised.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're at 240,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be able to clear almost everybody off of our queue that we couldn't bring in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of those guys named Lance is like, how much more you need?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, it costs us about 20 k per guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got five guys left.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was 100 k. Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, ask for him, I'm like, I don't ask, he's like, no, no, come here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, in this room, let's do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go up 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And man, we got a 100k and we got to clear a whole queue for that year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, a good job, Lance.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just jumped up and did it and showed me how to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still can't do it like he did, but it was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was our most effective fundraiser ever to this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were a big part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you, John, for doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what's the difference between the apex and
[SPEAKER_02]: So Triple S is hosted by one of our board members, Geo, you know, Geo, Geo Cognitorian.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just gives us this amazing place.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be in November this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's up near Pisma Beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just in there, it's just beautiful, lavender farm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just opens it up for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you were into this thing out, it'd be like 56 grand a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just great accommodations.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do the so it changes every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: This year we did Humvee driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did some shooting on night vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we did some like escape from restraint.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had to top people out of pick locks and pick how to pick handcuffs and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we kind of had a big competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's pretty cool man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a super fun event.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been a, it was our flagship until apex and apex, you know, eclipse it, which is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how, you know, how long we can keep doing events to do that, but they keep been a big one bigger and we've got a big one coming up this year, the big one coming up this year, meaning the New York City swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I was, I met this guy in Bill Brown and he's done it seven years in a row.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a former team guy and I was a lawyer in the York.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a really passionate dude, and that guy has run this swim on his own for years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I met him and he was like, hey, I know I'll be on the brotherhood is.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, this kind of grassroots thing is what I want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to support this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to swim in in New York and so he's like, I need you to help me run it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm doing it and so I'm doing it through Mayday and I'm helping him to set it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: The permitting process was a mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, New York is a hard place to get stuff done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up not being able to swim into New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to swim around the statue of Liberty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then back into New Jersey, so we're going, it's a three and a half mile swim.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're with the current.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be, you know, but it's still legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you said, you better hope that more ops guy gets the current, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had, I had, uh, so I'm at team two.
[SPEAKER_00]: and we got this big ore where we're off the carrier.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got all these missions going.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my platoon and my ore is basically echo trials.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting graded for the point that operational readiness exercise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my squad squad, too, always gets the raw deal by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so I'm squad two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to we're going to launch off of a carrier and the helicopter.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to fast rope on to a sub.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll repree staged our boats.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're taking the we're going on the sub.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the getting going to surface the sub.
[SPEAKER_00]: Launched the boats drive to the island vehicles island do a do a I think it was a pilot recovery there.
[SPEAKER_02]: on a little inflatable boat in the middle of the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, the zodiacs were worth taking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a guy there, a guy who's a friend of mine a really good dude, like a very experienced.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a prior-and-listed guy and was very senior as an enlisted guy and then became an awesome work-good friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a freaking stud.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, hey, he goes, hey man, listen, like the currents here always go, you know, south and north.
[SPEAKER_00]: So insert down here and extract, so insert way down here south of the island and then you can hit it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can get recovered to go north and I go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always have to wait always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the trade winds, the this, that, and by the way, also on the east coast back in the day, you only had a,
[SPEAKER_00]: You only had on the west coast, we had 55 horsepower motors and on the east coast, you have 35 horsepower motors and the west coast, you know, you're in the Pacific, you're in the Indian Ocean, you've got big giant waves, you've got a big giant motors and the west, the east coast, you're in the Atlantic and again, there's obviously places crazy waves over there too, but generally speaking smaller than the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, you're in the Atlantic and again, there's obviously places crazy waves over there too, but generally speaking smaller than the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east coast, the east
[SPEAKER_00]: So, long story short, bro, the weather is horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: The submarine, who, the submarine, this is freaking awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where in the helicopter, and there's waves breaking over the submarine, which was the fast rope on, and the air crew and guy, he's like, he's like, hey, the sub wants to know if you guys can get on board.
[SPEAKER_00]: And and I look at the kind of go I go tell the cob the chief of the boat I go tell the cob if you can open that hatch Where coming on board?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like he did I hear him like seeing me like yelling he goes the cob says you'll do it I'm like cool work common So did you go right to the top of the mast of the on the on the submarine?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was it was but it was bad Yeah, it was like gnarly there was water all coming into the freaking hatch that was open and everything
[SPEAKER_00]: But we fast run there and then we start on the sub for 12 hours and then we get launched and the weather got worse and the weather The wind and waves were just blowing straight in our face We actually ran out of gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to like I had to go, you know what we have to go to the Puerto Rico Whatever unit it was down there unit four unit three, no uniform, maybe a shutdown now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well whatever was I was like hey
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to go and get more gas because we were burning double the fuel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we pulled in, like snuck up, filled our stuff with gas, reinserted, got the, and then did the same thing go into it and recover our boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: We barely made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was freaking heinous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point in saying this is I hope
[SPEAKER_02]: your maritime gurus get the current right otherwise it's going to be a long asked three to have a voice I tell you what bills nailed it every year so it's three and a half miles swim it is going to be a long swim but it's broken up as you go around the the the statual liberty there'll be a barge out there and climb up that barge and then you'll knock out a hundred hundred push-ups and and twenty two pull-ups and
[SPEAKER_02]: And then once we get a full head count, we'll jump in, take off to the next barge, which is on the outside of Ellis Island, do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then after that, we're going to enter back into right, it's called North Cove, which is near empty Sky Memorial in New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll knock out your last set of pull-ups and push-ups.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll have a bunch of American flags for folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you'll march back down to the hotel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll have a little reception that evening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a such a cool thing, they'll be 50 slots for team guys, and then we've got a lot of police and first responders, there's going to be 300 total swimmers, and then I don't know, there's some, I mean, Dakota Myers is going to come, I'm pretty stoked about that, there's some other, yeah, I mean, just, I mean, let me let you betanian recon school, like what is, what is stud?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what do you say to that guy when he shows up at your training pipeline?
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, get some, yeah, yeah, what do you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, thank you for being here.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think there's something where if you have a CMH, when you show up at a base, you can demand like a band or something, can't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, um, I don't see Dakota doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dakota is the best dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's freaking awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, that was, that's badass that he's going to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think this will be our biggest fundraiser ever, and it's really exciting for me to see BTB move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every year, you're pushing against this wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't feel like anything's moving, and then you turn around behind you, and you can see, like, hey, we've gone a long way, and this is just, we've doubled every single year as far as our intake, and we've had to grow our staff, because you can't take in more people until you've got the capacity for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're growing in our capacity right now, so we can try and bring in more guys, and we're not going to sacrifice quality, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: everyone doesn't get to play and that's okay, you know, we take the best guys, that's what we wanted to do that for these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the screening process that you set up is awesome because, you know, listen, everyone, I think correctly so gives a nod of respect to people that have been the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy served his country.
[SPEAKER_00]: They deserve a nod of respect.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a heightened expectation, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If someone's, oh, I was in the Marine Corps, I was in the Army, I was in the Navy, I was in the Air Force.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means you've been through some hard training.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you've had to be disciplined.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've had to follow rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've had to show initiative.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a bunch of credit that people get.
[SPEAKER_00]: But...
[SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't mean that every guy that has been in the military or has been in special operations or has been the SEAL teams is going to be a good fit for an organization or really good fit for the world outside of the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that you've been screening guys in the success that they've had shows that it's a great process.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even the depth of going one person senior, one peer, and three people subordinate,
[SPEAKER_00]: that's even the most screening that I've heard you know like hey and by the way you can look at someone's record and you can you can assess what they were like and you or me can look at someone's record and learn a little bit more but they're still man there's still all kinds of
[SPEAKER_00]: little nuances to your service that paint might paint a different picture of who you really who you really were.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that you are doing that is what I think is what is making it so effective and then on top of that the training that you give them in the insight that you give them in the mentorship that they get from not just from seals.
[SPEAKER_00]: More importantly getting mentorship from people that are in the
[SPEAKER_00]: industry that they want to go into.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they've been powerful as they come into these industries, you know, and this has been like a really passionate investment of mine over like my time, and, you know, I've met some really great guys I didn't know before, and, you know, I mean, before I came here, we had a guy that came into some trouble, and, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: me and his boss and we sat down with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went over a plan and we set up a plan for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a friend of mine, I respect the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He screwed something up, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have his back and we're going to pull him through because he's a man of character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like what happened to Brad Geary, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know Brad Geary is, he's a phenomenal seal that basically somebody died in Bud's class when he was a commanding officer and they tried to pin it all in him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: He really wasn't true.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was on the investigation team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what went down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We took him in at a time when he was at a low spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really thriving now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a book coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a big time, just a good man, five kids, Christian man, just someone that we all respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be at the swim too.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be representing BTB.
[SPEAKER_02]: He speaks way better than I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he's great, and he's very articulate a great guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the 300, the swimmers, what's it deal?
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to raise money themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how's it work?
[SPEAKER_02]: Explain it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So each swimmer, when they register, they're going to have to have to raise $2,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's, they can find someone to sponsor them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but usually they come up with a lot more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think last year, the swimmer's raise $150,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a, that would be,
[SPEAKER_02]: game-changing for VTB.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've never had, we've never raised that much in a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're a smaller organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the bar is set at 8.50.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool, but I think raising the bar to a million.
[SPEAKER_00]: You with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Echo Charles, can I throw out some slang?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they can do 8.50, then getting to a million would be freaking epic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of set a good bar, and then being able to help out so many more guys would, it would just be epic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are some other angles to this that we can get to that millie if you're gonna set that bar, and Jocco, and I know when you set a bar, when we get there, we're looking for sponsors to help us with things.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things that we got to pay for, that if someone wanted to sponsor it, it would help us out of town.
[SPEAKER_02]: All these, we got to buy 300 bullies, cause these guys got a pool swim bullies.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you have a company that wants to make them,
[SPEAKER_02]: or that wants to, you know, to buy them for us, maybe we can put your logos on and whatever you want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jockelfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jockelfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jockelfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll sign up for that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got an after party we need to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got awnings we've got to put up, I mean, coolers, I think Jockelfield's going to handle you said your handle, the refreshments, but, you know, so thank you for putting your money where you're out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've always done this and people don't realize that how much you get back to civil community, not just us, but to a lot of different organizations.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it because I know you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for doing that because this is a very important cause and the fact that these guys are killed we had another guy die last week another guy kill himself Not from BTV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's I saw it and Yeah, it's just it's terrible and you know like I always tell people and I know that you feel the same way, but you know like the teams gave us everything
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, like the team's gave me everything that I have, it's from the team's, the thought process that I have, it just everything, you know, my family, I wouldn't have met my wife if it wasn't for, it wouldn't have my kids if it wasn't for, you know, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, the team's gave us everything, and so we try and get back as much as we can, and especially with an organization like BTB where it's, we're trying to take care of the guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: or you know and I'm old enough now that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know as many guys that are still in as you do but these are guys that when you when you meet them you're like oh yeah it's team guy like you know there's generation people talk about like the generational differences I hang or I go
[SPEAKER_00]: hang around with young team guys and it's like oh yeah I remember exactly like we could I could just show up here at 23 years old and you wouldn't be able to tell the diversity in the guy that's freaking to 23 years old that's currently in the team it's like oh yeah there's just there's just team guys and so when they get out guess what they need some help and that's what BTB does so yeah man it's freaking awesome it's gonna be an awesome event it's gonna be awesome to watch you raise a million dollars
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to do it, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to hype it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just actually, I'm so grateful for not just you guys, the whole board, the work that you guys do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know anything about this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been out of teams for three years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just like learning how to do things as we do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just grateful for the help that you've given us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just grateful for.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have ups and downs, but generally the trajectory is up, and you know, one of the greatest and best things in my life is, you know, my fiance cat, and she has really been a force for good in my life, and I'm just a really grateful for you cat, and I wanted to say thank you for the help and support you've given me on this long the way, because
[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't look for credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like your wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: She keeps your mouth shut and she just silently supports me whether I can't fix the printer or I can't make you know stuff work or I'm about to do something stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's the first to know and so I'm just really grateful for her influence in my life so I wanted to make sure I gave a shout out to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she likes, I guess, to be behind the scenes like my wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my wife, people used to say, oh, do you have a wife going to come on the podcast?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd be like, nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: And well, you know, do you ask her, yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why aren't you a good leader?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't you convince her, nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I asked her one time I said, hey, listen, what if I write questions for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me the answers or write the answers and I'll just read them on the podcast because people have questions for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't really want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like when you're doing this accent though, it makes you laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, props to the ladies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that get us up speed?
[SPEAKER_00]: That we're at.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we missed anything, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always interested in the echo's angle on things, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were making fun of them earlier because last time I was on the show, we were here for like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to have them before he realized, like, wait, you're Jimmy Mann, like, yeah, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been rolling together for years and you just didn't put two and two together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember it correctly, like, I knew your name was Jimmy Knit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew your first and last name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I knew of Jimmy May, the team guy legend dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, I don't know subconsciously, that's just two different people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just talking about Jimmy May, Jimmy May at different times and I'm thinking about other, you know, and I, yeah, it all came.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think because we might have talked about the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: For some reason when I say your name Jimmy like when I refer to I always say Jimmy may I never just say Jimmy Maybe because it's too much common of a name But I always say oh, yeah, you know Jimmy like oh Jimmy may it's coming out or I saw Jimmy may or you know whatever that's what I would say
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would be talking some story about the teams, and I'd be like, oh yeah, do a Jimmy May did this or Jimmy May said that or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he's rolling with you and doesn't recognize that there's other, he's actually rolling with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not know you last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you probably just knew it was Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then what halfway through the first time he came on, I said, Jimmy May, you're out shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the Jimmy May.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been on each other for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, brother, I was the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I have any more questions?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back to rewind a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Made it executive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you said you do all kinds of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: All kinds of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, let's say you had a potential client or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, hey, I want to do, I don't know, XYZ.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something that you've never done before.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, hey, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's figure that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be like, hey, I need a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me make a phone call.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's someone in the teams that can do this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: like in lots of I did a land navigation for a group about three or four weeks ago I just called the guy that runs land for SKT.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, hey man, you line me out on this and because we know how to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't mean for a points are and there's a bunch of logistics I didn't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I haven't had to say no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that was the question like it's not like, you know, you got a certain restaurant So you say, hey, do you guys serve this and they say no, we don't serve this, but you know, like the made executive service.
[SPEAKER_02]: We serve all the things that they want All right, so yeah, why you got something you want to do
[SPEAKER_01]: Well actually I like I like going to take my son shooting Oh, we need to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to set it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, my mindset, you know, working on these types of things and if I got a shop that provides these services, I'm going to take you upon it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what's interesting is that I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: We start off with the whole that the dad thing like in reunite I've talked about this before Jocco like I would love we talked about it start a school and we like have the school that just grows kids to like actual learn things are useful and anyway I've been thinking about doing an event where it's just dads and their sons
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I don't, I'm trying to fake dial in the age group, you know, because not not all nine year olds are equal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what, you know, what can I do with them?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it'd be cool to have like day one where it's like I train the dads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't want to be the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want the dad to train their kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like day one, whether we're doing like land now or we're shooting or whatever doing, I train the dads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll be there just in case they got something they can't handle, you know, and I'll run like the safety aspect of it, and then have them camp out and do this stuff with their kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to make money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just something cool to be like, hey, look, you're the man, you need to take ownership of your family and let's do something special with your kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it'd be a cool thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been kicking the idea around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys have thoughts on it, but, you know, how old your boy?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's right in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and he shoots I take him shooting stuff But it's just that the indoor range with you know, he has a gun that he's kind of designated with nothing It's almost nothing's on fire No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's down for all that kind of stuff as long as you start slow and don't just throw him into some weird thing to like shock this You know how sometimes that's part of the training and you want to shock bro system brother Come on, I'm not gonna do that to your kid Ever since the warrior kid, but first book came out like I've been talking about the warrior kid academy that warrior kid camps
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's going to get a lot of traction when the movie comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: The movie's coming out the day before Thanksgiving and it's such a good movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just awesome, it's funny, it's it's it's it's it's everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's it's a beautiful movie, but it's going to get kids and parents thinking about that warrior kid path, you know, and I think there's maybe I do a
[SPEAKER_00]: with you, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not here to try to make money or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to work with the United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be cause.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, and you know, even on that initial, we did a podcast 10 years ago about what the warrior kid Academy would have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, and we could go back and pull that blueprint.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a solid blueprint.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I think something like that is in my future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, we'll see what happens there.
[SPEAKER_00]: People can find you on LinkedIn, Jimmy May.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please hit me up on LinkedIn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm trying to grow that audience and yeah, it's just Jimmy May and and then BTB.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is www dot beyond the brotherhood.org for Mayday Mayday is Mayday executive dot com and then if you need the cable pilot and I don't know if we'll talk about if we're going to leave this internet based on my ability to invest in the company if you want if you need the cable pilot if you look if you're alignment you're out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, the NYC Seal Swims.com, NYC Seal Swims.com, we've already got a hundred or hundred and twenty, ninety six hours of three days ago, but I didn't check it before I came in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to sell out quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go up there and swim, you've got to get registered quick and then help us raise a million dollars to help out all of our brothers in the teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we got going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy, any closing thoughts, bro?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know that when my brother hears this, he's going to let you invest because my brother Jeremy May.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a big fan, he listens to all your stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you may have just got yourself in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: There I am, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, otherwise, echo's on the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to edit it right out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do just have just a message of gratitude again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just so thankful, Jockel, for your continued friendship, but even without all this stuff you do now, you've been a good friend of me a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: You came and fixed my sink when I was on deployment and that, you know, just being a good friend for a long time and, you know, I appreciate it and I appreciate the things you've put in front of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm grateful for our M in life, uh, got a great woman, great kids, and, uh, I just, I just, it's grateful for the opportunity to be where I'm at, so thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, back at your man, thanks for, uh, thanks for coming on and again, I'm always here for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know that, you know what I have is what you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's because what you did for me, what you did for the team, what you did for the country, and what you're continuing to do right now to help out our brothers beyond the brotherhood of the teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's having a huge impact, and so I'm here for you always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you, brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with that, Jimmy May has left the building.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's about to go get after it somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's about to go make something happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's about to go spear fish after he crashes a car off of a cliff and blows it up and then he's going to shoot some guns at the car as he's falling down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to get in the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to spear fish a big giant shark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure gelato is just ice cream, a special fancy kind of ice cream.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fancy's not really my scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I did other?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully go to swim or you can sponsor someone that's doing the swim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you want to connect with Jimmy May go to LinkedIn and look for Jimmy May and you'll find him give him a follow or whatever it is you give someone on LinkedIn and then for beyond the brother who it's beyond the brotherhood.org for Mayday it's MaydayExecutive.com and then if you need the cable pilot
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the, uh, or that's on the internet.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the social media, I'm at jocko willing's echoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at jocko will link.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no S on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Echoes at Echo Charles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just be careful because the reason that thing exists is not to inspire you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't to educate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't to improve your capabilities of human.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is to take your time and squander it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks folks again to Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: For coming on again, your loyalty is much appreciated to the country, to the teams and to our brothers, so thanks for what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: A salute to all of our military personnel out there around the world right now, in harm's way, protecting freedom and our way of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, thanks for your police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, board of patrol, secret service, as well as all other first responders.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for protecting us here on the home front.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone wants out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to this idea of skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, we talked about passing on skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: What skills do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, can you build stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you rewire a house?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do a little bit of plumbing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a fighter?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how to fight?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know some as you know some more tired, you know some boxing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know some archery?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're good at communicating with other people?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're good at leading.
[SPEAKER_00]: What skills do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: What skills do you need?
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you build up your skill sets?
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe most important, what skills can you actually pass on?
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you have that skill?
[SPEAKER_00]: The skill of passing on skills that might be the most important skill of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So go get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Learn skills and pass them on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all I've got for tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, this is Echo and Jocco.