WEBVTT 00:00.111 --> 00:00.511 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk 7-ounce? 00:00.531 --> 00:01.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about 7-ounce? 00:01.152 --> 00:20.045 [SPEAKER_00]: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 00:26.149 --> 00:29.530 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the late 80s, and a Canadian city named London. 00:30.170 --> 00:40.532 [SPEAKER_01]: When a shirtless stud and cut off jeans begins strutting around the downtown, turning heads with his good looks and tan muscular build, marked by tattoos. 00:41.293 --> 00:50.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Most notably, a cobra on his left forearm, a cross and dragon on his right arm, talons on his chest, a sloppy Pegasus on his back. 00:51.675 --> 00:53.135 [SPEAKER_01]: These make up most of the collection 00:56.316 --> 01:04.859 [SPEAKER_01]: In the hot sun, all of these poorly done pieces appear to be melting, but still they managed to elicit the same effect on the young girls who spot it. 01:05.639 --> 01:06.600 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man. 01:07.380 --> 01:13.742 [SPEAKER_01]: He's new, he's different, and he exudes the sexual confidence of a guy who claims to already have bedded 200 women plus. 01:15.556 --> 01:18.438 [SPEAKER_01]: many of them older, but hey, he'll take them. 01:19.379 --> 01:20.359 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he can get them. 01:21.300 --> 01:26.003 [SPEAKER_01]: In this time, in place, tattoos are still somewhat taboo. 01:26.683 --> 01:39.472 [SPEAKER_01]: A sign that the man has probably been to prison, and in this case, the stereotype fits as 28-year-old Peter John Peters, has a rap sheet as long as his dirty blonde bullet, swinging in the breeze. 01:40.733 --> 01:43.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Dark Topic on your host, Jack Luna. 01:44.533 --> 01:45.954 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a true crime happening. 01:47.175 --> 01:48.115 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tattoo, man. 01:58.641 --> 02:02.823 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they call them when it began haunting London, Ontario. 02:03.604 --> 02:07.086 [SPEAKER_01]: But like the Canadian city itself, he was just a cheap imitation. 02:07.786 --> 02:13.990 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be no Jack the Ripper, just a quivering coward beneath a tough guy facade. 02:14.882 --> 02:20.226 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man, not the most clever name, but it suited him in that, at least. 02:21.247 --> 02:24.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, three or four or five tattoos would hardly get you noticed. 02:25.330 --> 02:27.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Three or four or five brutal attacks in the other hand. 02:28.654 --> 02:30.815 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that doesn't really cut it anymore either. 02:31.616 --> 02:33.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, have you ever heard of the tattoo, man? 02:34.177 --> 02:36.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter John Peters from Canada? 02:36.718 --> 02:41.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Unlikely, my case selection process is too sophisticated. 02:41.721 --> 02:42.721 [SPEAKER_01]: But hey, don't feel bad. 02:43.161 --> 02:47.183 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't be expected to know every Tom Dick and Harry in the true crime space. 02:47.624 --> 02:49.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Let alone every Peter John Peters? 02:56.533 --> 03:09.061 [SPEAKER_01]: By cutting off the Peters on his name, a trend cutting off Peters, amongst killers and rapists these days, cutting off their Peters, to reinvent themselves, once in prison. 03:09.341 --> 03:23.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, Born near Wallisburg, Ontario to alcoholic and neglectful parents, Peters grew up in an abusive environment, as follows behavior and negative attitudes towards women had a significant impact on him. 03:24.005 --> 03:28.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Peters let her spoke of his Peter, being touched by a baby sitter, a Peter file. 03:29.326 --> 03:35.907 [SPEAKER_01]: This incident which supposedly involved a young woman, Peters said made him distrust females going forward. 03:36.847 --> 03:41.268 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to be that guy who takes away from the trauma some males have endured at the hands. 03:41.888 --> 03:44.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Soft, soft, soft, hands, thank you. 03:45.329 --> 03:49.410 [SPEAKER_01]: A woman saw a move on before I get myself into trouble. 03:50.364 --> 03:56.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Peters was at some point sent to reform school where he claimed he had a sexual relationship with many female staff. 03:57.587 --> 04:01.829 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems Peter's just going to catch a break when it came to women finding him irresistible. 04:02.549 --> 04:05.230 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was before he had like six or seven tattoos. 04:06.490 --> 04:12.693 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, let me read you this guy's rap sheet before he became a real lady killer. 04:13.883 --> 04:25.150 [SPEAKER_01]: On October 27th, my birthday, 1977 at age 16, Peter John Peters was arrested for break-ins at two auto-body shops in his hometown of Wallaceburg, Ontario, and said to Juvee. 04:25.971 --> 04:34.997 [SPEAKER_01]: On November 14th of 79, he was convicted of pointing a firearm at someone and was sentenced to four years at Workworth Prison in hour and a half from where I grew up. 04:35.865 --> 04:46.595 [SPEAKER_01]: On April 14th, 1980, he escaped from Markworth with two other prisoners by scaling a fence, but was recaptured days later in Chattam, Ontario after having spent some time in my hometown. 04:47.435 --> 04:52.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, I wasn't there, well I was, I was in my mother's belly, thankfully he didn't run into her. 04:55.162 --> 05:00.988 [SPEAKER_01]: In May of 1980, Peters was transferred to Milha Haven, Maximum Security Prison in Kingston. 05:01.673 --> 05:04.695 [SPEAKER_01]: On July 29th of 1980, he demanded transfer. 05:05.155 --> 05:11.939 [SPEAKER_01]: He held two prison shop instructors hostage to enforce it, receiving three more years as a result. 05:12.779 --> 05:17.122 [SPEAKER_01]: On September 23rd of 85, he was released on parole with mandatory supervision. 05:18.171 --> 05:26.516 [SPEAKER_01]: On August 11, 1989, Sarnia Police, Traced in decent phone calls to women at variety stores, Peters was charged with making them. 05:27.216 --> 05:37.182 [SPEAKER_01]: In late August of that same year he was charged with possession of a weapon, intending to assault his girlfriend, and that charge was withdrawn after she refused to provide a statement. 05:37.783 --> 05:38.523 [SPEAKER_01]: On September 20, 1989, 05:39.984 --> 05:51.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters was convicted of indecent phone calls in a lawful possession of a weapon and was sentenced to two months of prison, but he was released because he'd already had time served being held on those charges. 05:51.550 --> 05:54.751 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the rap sheet as long as he's now mulled. 05:55.272 --> 06:05.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter John Peters in October of 1989 moved to London on Tario as a 28-year-old ex-con and in an attempt to clean up found work as a janitor. 06:06.748 --> 06:14.775 [SPEAKER_01]: The 1990 rampage we are here to study reportedly began shortly after a romantic relationship with his own parole officer, Sowered. 06:15.336 --> 06:24.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters finally having enough of every woman in the world apparently wanted to use them up before tossing him away decides to start returning the favor. 06:29.339 --> 06:39.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlene Britten, a 25-year-old computer analysis graduate who had begun a career in London Ontario, met the so-called tattoo man on a train in December of 89. 06:41.064 --> 06:48.687 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlene a pretty shy, bespectacle Brunette, was described as well-meaning, good-natured, and perhaps a little naive. 06:49.648 --> 06:54.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Friends have been concerned about her new relationship with a rough and tumble tattoo man. 06:55.050 --> 06:55.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter? 06:55.951 --> 06:56.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Something? 06:57.160 --> 07:11.005 [SPEAKER_01]: It was only when the recently released convict's parole officer called in a concern about him, the investigators who had their suspicions, could double down on the name and question, that of a recent implant they've been warned about, Peter Peters. 07:12.146 --> 07:20.469 [SPEAKER_01]: This parole officer, who indeed had been involved in a romantic relationship with the so-called tattoo man, was concerned after having not heard from him in weeks. 07:21.249 --> 07:24.791 [SPEAKER_01]: She was maybe worried that he'd moved on to 300 other women. 07:26.455 --> 07:37.661 [SPEAKER_01]: When police broke down the door of his basement apartment to retrieve him, they were soon met with another locked door, padlocked, to keep secure the room Peter's heckin'verted into a master Victorian. 07:38.241 --> 07:44.545 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a private place to jerk off in, where a gentleman surrounds himself with pornographic imagery in. 07:45.285 --> 07:48.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe experiments with auto-erotic asphyxiation. 07:49.837 --> 08:09.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps squeezes into lingerie and tries to blow himself while, snapping pictures by pulling a string with his big toe, I don't know, I don't have a masturbatorium, but in a time before the internet, some men did, guys like BTK, and the tattoo man, Peter John Peters. 08:10.762 --> 08:20.332 [SPEAKER_01]: When police break down this second door within the space of an apartment, ominous with his padlock, they find Charlene, naked on the floor with a bag wrapped around her head. 08:21.113 --> 08:22.614 [SPEAKER_01]: She even stabbed once in the back. 08:23.335 --> 08:23.996 [SPEAKER_01]: For good measure. 08:24.937 --> 08:32.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlene, dead for days by this point, have been left locked up just like any other secret of the killer's secret room. 08:33.088 --> 08:44.856 [SPEAKER_01]: pornographic images, plastered the walls, investigators brace themselves as they tackle what could be the den of a prolific serial killer, but all they find in the boxes and on the shelves is more porn. 08:45.777 --> 08:51.080 [SPEAKER_01]: It would almost be juvenile, if not for the very serious discovery of Charlene Britain amongst the mess. 08:52.081 --> 08:57.565 [SPEAKER_01]: It said that Charlene had been trying to break things off with Peter, so he did this to her. 08:58.792 --> 09:05.218 [SPEAKER_01]: In the little information available on this case, it's well documented how much of a coward the tattoo man was. 09:06.039 --> 09:10.543 [SPEAKER_01]: It's clear here with the way he simply deserved his apartment with Charlene locked up within Dad. 09:11.124 --> 09:12.005 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't want to deal with it. 09:12.787 --> 09:29.131 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, Peter's fled from London and ended up in Toronto, where on January 22nd of 1990 at around 5am, 63-year-old security guard of a Toronto parking garage, Albert Philip, and the voter husband and father, arrives for his shift. 09:29.811 --> 09:35.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Parks's Brown 85 Chevrolet Station wagon, no problem finding a spot, he no doubt joke. 09:36.553 --> 10:04.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Then made his way to his office where he was jumped from behind by the tattoo man, who beat Philip nearly to death with a metal pipe, a relentless assault that saw the older man's hands broken in defense, then his skull fractured in multiple places as the much younger and stronger Peter John Peters rained down blows, knocking the security man's false teeth out at some point, and leading the poor man unconscious in a pool of blood all for the sake of stealing 10:06.244 --> 10:11.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Those who knew Albert would tell you he was a kind soul who devoted spare time volunteering for the homeless. 10:12.347 --> 10:24.895 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a 13-year-old daughter, so much left to give, and had his attacker simply demand the car keys or just fucking stole another car out of the massive parking garage he was skulking around in. 10:25.535 --> 10:34.200 [SPEAKER_01]: This security guard would have tried to offer some help and advice before gladly helping him to get a vehicle or handing over his own keys and exchange to keep his life. 10:35.455 --> 10:35.935 [SPEAKER_01]: A good one. 10:36.835 --> 10:43.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Albert Philip his wife calls in her concern when Albert fails to make his usual morning phone call tour. 10:43.977 --> 10:48.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Albert Philip is still breathing when discovered, but the damage is too much. 10:49.158 --> 10:55.420 [SPEAKER_01]: He dies in hospital without being able to share any information that could lead to the arrest of the cold blooded killer. 10:56.220 --> 10:56.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Who did this? 10:58.160 --> 10:59.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately, there is a clue left 11:05.715 --> 11:20.766 [SPEAKER_01]: A bag filled with his clothes, a toiletries, is found hanging on a wall of the indoor parking lot, close to the office of Albert Phillips, security guard, and it's eventually discovered that this bag belonged to Charlene Britain, recently deceased found with a bag of her head. 11:21.186 --> 11:24.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Her bag is the one found on this scene. 11:25.269 --> 11:32.494 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tatuman had emptied it to fill with his own shit after he killed her and left her, locked in his Master Batorium. 11:33.529 --> 11:36.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters had apparently forgotten it, in his haste to get away. 11:36.972 --> 11:41.355 [SPEAKER_01]: And all points bulletin is put out on the Brown Station wagon, along with its plate number. 11:41.955 --> 11:49.721 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man may not be able to shed his recognisable skin to avoid identification, but he can't get rid of the car, as he knows he must. 11:50.622 --> 11:58.488 [SPEAKER_01]: He drives self to St. Catherine's, just outside of Niagara Falls, and that same afternoon desserts it in the parking lot of a credit union. 11:59.553 --> 12:07.138 [SPEAKER_01]: This after he spots an attractive blonde getting out of her own vehicle to do some banking, just after 1pm. 12:07.158 --> 12:13.783 [SPEAKER_01]: 28-year-old Sandy Bellows sees the rough character looking at her from the now to see security guards stolen wagon and smiles. 12:14.663 --> 12:21.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Peters returns the greeting, then watches her enter the bank, deciding that Sandy will be his next victim. 12:22.284 --> 12:29.992 [SPEAKER_01]: When she returns to and enters her dark blue cakear, a dark blue wrist, darts in behind, and shoves her to the passenger seat. 12:30.853 --> 12:35.678 [SPEAKER_01]: He is holding a screwdriver to her throat, and Sandy's eyes drawn to the tattoo on his wrist. 12:36.398 --> 12:40.042 [SPEAKER_01]: A crude cross with the name Joe or Joanne on it. 12:40.723 --> 12:45.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Sandy's collecting information on her attacker before she could fully acknowledge that she's being attacked. 12:46.432 --> 12:50.834 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man grows at her due, shut the fuck up, and she begins to scream. 12:51.534 --> 12:59.077 [SPEAKER_01]: The sharp object at her throat presses in, the other hand of his, clamps over her mouth, and she has to comply. 12:59.997 --> 13:06.779 [SPEAKER_01]: He tells her that something has gone wrong, really wrong, and he needs her to help him, get away. 13:08.240 --> 13:11.121 [SPEAKER_01]: He smells like death, Sandy would later say. 13:12.417 --> 13:17.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter's demands that Sandy Act casual, as if they are a married couple leaving the bank. 13:17.818 --> 13:19.819 [SPEAKER_01]: He threatens the stabber if she doesn't shape up. 13:20.579 --> 13:28.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, Sandy recently married in New to St. Catharines, a community she'd thought until now to be safe pulls herself together. 13:29.961 --> 13:31.041 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, nowhere is safe. 13:31.822 --> 13:37.823 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the safer a place seems, the more it is due for something wicked to walk through it. 13:39.234 --> 13:41.576 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man drives them in a tan without incident. 13:42.036 --> 13:46.980 [SPEAKER_01]: When they hit the snowy back roads, Sandy becomes concerned for her life and begins begging to be let go. 13:47.501 --> 13:50.083 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters again tells her to shut the fuck up. 13:50.203 --> 13:53.205 [SPEAKER_01]: You think I'm gonna drop you off out here in the middle of nowhere in the snow? 13:53.225 --> 13:53.265 [SPEAKER_01]: 5. 13:53.946 --> 13:55.747 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think I'm a bad guy? 13:55.767 --> 13:57.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just taking you with me babe. 13:58.309 --> 14:02.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Where I'm married couple now, we're just gonna go on the road and live a good life. 14:03.471 --> 14:07.572 [SPEAKER_01]: He then says he will let her go, but she has to tell police. 14:08.193 --> 14:09.133 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a nice guy. 14:10.073 --> 14:11.434 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just been a misunderstanding. 14:12.434 --> 14:15.215 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sandy's like, okay, I think this guy's a little off. 14:16.256 --> 14:19.537 [SPEAKER_01]: This, though, relieves Sandy a little, she believes him. 14:20.317 --> 14:27.620 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a shock when Peter pulls off into a desolate patch of forest out in the farmland, parks and demands she takes her clothes off. 14:29.396 --> 14:32.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Sandy begins to cry, but you promised. 14:33.198 --> 14:33.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up, bitch. 14:34.618 --> 14:35.719 [SPEAKER_01]: It's time to have some fun. 14:36.859 --> 14:39.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, a little ways away. 14:39.760 --> 14:45.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Retired police officer Alan Pike is doing some logging work with his tractor in his property. 14:45.703 --> 14:50.825 [SPEAKER_01]: He soon happens upon the Etaplace Blue K-Car and notices frenzyed movement within. 14:51.810 --> 14:59.913 [SPEAKER_01]: By this point, the tattoo man has sandy naked, and has beaten her, and is now viciously raping her in the back seat. 15:00.793 --> 15:06.335 [SPEAKER_01]: The sound of the approaching tractor alerts Peters, and he quickly gets out of the car, pulling up his pants. 15:07.300 --> 15:18.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Alan Pike, in all of his 35 years in the force, had never come across such a scene, he shocked when a naked woman follows the tattooed man out of the car and begins running. 15:18.832 --> 15:21.835 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man chases her down and begins beating on her. 15:22.416 --> 15:25.679 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets sanny to the ground where he then starts booting her in the head. 15:26.279 --> 15:30.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Half a dozen times, by the now approaching retired officers account. 15:30.784 --> 15:41.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter's begins stabbing is now nearly in conscious victim with a screwdriver, and that's when Alan Pike yells out, and the tattoo man sees this crazy old farmer swinging axe while approaching him. 15:42.448 --> 15:49.070 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man scrambles to his feet and gets back into his victim's car, kicking up gravel and snow. 15:49.970 --> 15:54.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Alan Pike gets to the pasture side and smashes the window with his axe, then begins climbing in. 15:55.572 --> 15:56.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And Peters can't believe it. 15:56.912 --> 16:01.254 [SPEAKER_01]: He's peeling away Swarve and trying to shake the old bastard who's gnarling and grabbing at him. 16:01.974 --> 16:10.216 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, Alan Pike, the old man with a lot left in the tank, pushes himself back out when the car rounds a band and begins picking up speed. 16:10.937 --> 16:13.377 [SPEAKER_01]: But not before getting a good look at the tattoo, man. 16:13.958 --> 16:14.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter John Peters. 16:15.618 --> 16:33.606 [SPEAKER_01]: who is terrified, a yellow-bellied bully-by-pike's estimation, spelling like death yes, but wreaking a fear, once confronted, retired officer, OPP officer, Alan Pike, Hero, gets Sandy to help she needs. 16:34.466 --> 16:36.067 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to him, she's going to be all right. 16:36.807 --> 16:42.290 [SPEAKER_01]: The two develop a father-daughter-type bond and stay close to the years that follow, Sandy 16:45.706 --> 16:47.308 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes on to have a family and all that. 16:49.150 --> 16:53.655 [SPEAKER_01]: There's interviews with her and you could find those in the show notes and incredibly strong one. 16:54.836 --> 16:57.880 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man drives on through a snowstorm. 17:00.703 --> 17:04.944 [SPEAKER_01]: And Alan Pike, he's there in the show that's two years are super hairy. 17:05.124 --> 17:10.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish she would shave his ears for him, but other than that, I mean, an unbelievable man. 17:11.146 --> 17:16.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Here, I mean, he's a farmer out there, pulling logs in the middle of the snowstorm. 17:16.208 --> 17:21.630 [SPEAKER_01]: No earmuffs needed, that's for sure, but I'll joke to side, incredible story. 17:22.791 --> 17:27.997 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man drives on through a snowstorm, and eventually gets the car stuck in a ditch. 17:28.798 --> 17:33.003 [SPEAKER_01]: He approaches a farmhouse and finds an elderly woman inside doing dishes. 17:33.864 --> 17:35.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters a costs her with a screw drug. 17:37.992 --> 17:57.624 [SPEAKER_01]: appears a cosser with a screwdriver and gets the keys to another vehicle, which he drives to the ten of Paris, Ontario, where he successfully robs a bank, a real whirlwind tour here from London to Paris, Ontario, Canada, and in this bank robbery, he's apparently very aggressive. 17:57.785 --> 18:02.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember this is 1990, this guy's getting away with everything, this is about a week 18:06.967 --> 18:11.648 [SPEAKER_01]: And one that you really can't get away with any more except if you're playing a video game. 18:12.848 --> 18:17.729 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, police have found the stolen brown station wagon of the tattoo man's second known victim. 18:18.389 --> 18:26.251 [SPEAKER_01]: They find it as a result of now knowing of the harrowing kidnapping and rape of Sandy Bellows and her rescuing by Alan Pike. 18:26.871 --> 18:32.692 [SPEAKER_01]: She most certainly would have been murdered victim number three if not miraculously rescued by that officer. 18:33.817 --> 18:34.557 [SPEAKER_01]: former officer. 18:35.218 --> 18:36.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Always an officer, right? 18:36.818 --> 18:37.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Always. 18:37.959 --> 18:41.720 [SPEAKER_01]: The station wagon is still running in the credit union parking lot when they discover it. 18:42.620 --> 18:47.902 [SPEAKER_01]: The now slain security guard in Philip was fan fuck. 18:48.422 --> 18:50.943 [SPEAKER_01]: The station wagon stolen from security guard officer. 18:50.983 --> 18:56.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Philip is still running in the credit union parking lot when police discover it. 18:56.885 --> 19:01.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Inside investigators will soon find the fingerprints of one Peter John Peters. 19:02.248 --> 19:14.135 [SPEAKER_01]: wanted for two murders, a bolo goes out for a white male with a blonde mullet, six foot one, 180, seven pounds, with various tattoos that I've already identified for us. 19:15.096 --> 19:20.159 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mystery to some way, a criminal type would volunteer to make themselves more identifiable by getting tattoos. 19:20.839 --> 19:29.785 [SPEAKER_01]: It's no mystery to me, however, criminals like everyone else who's got a bunch of tattoos think they look cool, and that's it. 19:31.118 --> 19:41.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, when it comes to fucking criminals, it shows affiliation to gangs and all that sure, but really, if you wanted to be in a hyper-intelligent gang, there'd be no tattoos allowed. 19:42.283 --> 19:51.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, by this point, you bet identifiable, by the fact that you have no ink at all on you or anyone else in the gang, maybe I will get those tats, I've always wanted. 19:51.906 --> 19:55.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, thinking about that, I just always didn't want to be identifiable, you know? 19:56.028 --> 19:57.829 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get those tats, I've always wanted again. 19:58.911 --> 20:01.072 [SPEAKER_01]: two bees, one on each day? 20:02.513 --> 20:03.053 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not? 20:03.313 --> 20:05.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably have to get on a good buzz first. 20:05.934 --> 20:07.215 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think I'm going to do it. 20:09.256 --> 20:10.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Just hope it doesn't sting. 20:11.897 --> 20:12.217 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 20:12.257 --> 20:15.918 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's an incredibly serious, dangerous situation unfolding here. 20:16.639 --> 20:18.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Eyes are cocked, doors are locked. 20:19.000 --> 20:22.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's staying paranoid across southwestern Ontario and beyond. 20:23.041 --> 20:24.122 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of time before 20:29.238 --> 20:37.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Days pass, as the evidence against Peter John Peters, and the fear of him through front-page newspaper articles, Mounds. 20:38.104 --> 20:44.848 [SPEAKER_01]: He travels north by Greyhound, goes to Sus Saint Marie, Ontario, the Sue, where my own father met his aunt. 20:45.849 --> 20:56.336 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a place of beauty off the shores of Lake Superior, but also a place known for its CD underbelly, and the tattoo man, should he decide to chill out for a bit, might be 20:58.234 --> 21:03.696 [SPEAKER_01]: But soon after disembarking the bus, he's barking in a woman, clearing snow off her car. 21:04.356 --> 21:05.476 [SPEAKER_01]: To give him her keys. 21:06.257 --> 21:07.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter's also to manage to get in the car. 21:08.517 --> 21:11.018 [SPEAKER_01]: But the woman flees, saving her life. 21:11.999 --> 21:17.360 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man drives off, eventually skating into a ditch on the outskirts of town. 21:18.361 --> 21:21.162 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the second time snow is managed to stop him. 21:22.077 --> 21:28.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Some say it was God interfering, but if that were the case, we'd have a lot more slippery spots around crimes and progress. 21:29.159 --> 21:32.780 [SPEAKER_01]: But Anna peels outside the hotel family home waiting for BTK. 21:33.420 --> 21:37.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Oil slick suddenly beneath Bundy's beetle on the Pacific coast. 21:37.801 --> 21:38.761 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not God. 21:39.461 --> 21:44.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Just God awful winter driving skills on display by this buffoon, the tattoo man. 21:44.722 --> 21:49.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Who despite his troubles can't seem to get into any real trouble, even if he tried. 21:52.504 --> 22:01.970 [SPEAKER_01]: In the end, 19-year-old Bob Johnson is watching TV when the door to his family's home is kicked in by Peters. 22:02.850 --> 22:05.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob has told to turn off the Brady Bunch and get in the kitchen. 22:06.432 --> 22:09.974 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man grabs a knife and puts it to the young man's throat. 22:10.974 --> 22:11.615 [SPEAKER_01]: I need a gun. 22:12.495 --> 22:13.536 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have to get one. 22:14.762 --> 22:25.245 [SPEAKER_01]: By chance, Bob just so happens to know where to find one, his father's own shotgun, and he retrieves it for Peters, winning the killer over with his combat approach to this chaos. 22:26.325 --> 22:29.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob loads the weapon, and hands it over. 22:30.406 --> 22:32.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Gee, thanks Bob. 22:33.716 --> 22:36.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Peter seems confused as to what he should do next. 22:36.798 --> 22:37.618 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just been running. 22:38.178 --> 22:41.140 [SPEAKER_01]: For days, beating, raping, killing, robbing. 22:41.720 --> 22:42.761 [SPEAKER_01]: The quiet in the song. 22:43.421 --> 22:46.943 [SPEAKER_01]: The welcoming nature of Bob is unsettling. 22:47.743 --> 22:48.624 [SPEAKER_01]: This normal scene. 22:49.704 --> 22:56.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he'll just get Bob to make them hot chocolate, turn the tube back on, sit down and wait for mom and dad to come home. 22:57.286 --> 23:00.789 [SPEAKER_01]: It is then that the tattoo man spots a hydro crew out the window. 23:01.549 --> 23:04.611 [SPEAKER_01]: They've pulled up out front and are inspecting his stock vehicle. 23:05.432 --> 23:10.636 [SPEAKER_01]: He takes the shotgun, goes at the front door, and points it at the unsuspecting workmen. 23:11.997 --> 23:14.659 [SPEAKER_01]: This from the porch, they cannot see that he's doing this. 23:15.759 --> 23:17.300 [SPEAKER_01]: 19-year-old Bob intervenes. 23:18.181 --> 23:18.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man! 23:19.102 --> 23:19.722 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the problem? 23:20.323 --> 23:21.323 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do anything to you. 23:22.184 --> 23:23.425 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we go back inside? 23:26.722 --> 23:27.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Spooked. 23:28.143 --> 23:29.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Is Bob my conscience? 23:30.384 --> 23:33.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Have I finally found my conscience? 23:34.406 --> 23:37.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob tells the tattoo man that he'll help him find another vehicle. 23:38.408 --> 23:40.729 [SPEAKER_01]: The two walk out the back door through the snow. 23:41.269 --> 23:42.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob leading him to a nearby home. 23:43.610 --> 23:44.651 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a car out front. 23:45.411 --> 23:48.032 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the home of an elderly god-fearing man. 23:48.713 --> 23:52.875 [SPEAKER_01]: The car out front is that of the town pastor who is paying this man a visit. 23:53.987 --> 24:02.570 [SPEAKER_01]: When Bob enters the house, just walks on in, he does so with his hands up, immediately letting the men know inside that they better do the same. 24:03.570 --> 24:04.690 [SPEAKER_01]: This keeps things cool. 24:05.310 --> 24:07.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Enough for the tattoo man to enter and not have to start blasting. 24:08.751 --> 24:10.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob is doing an incredible job. 24:12.012 --> 24:19.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Pastor Ron Hubbard, sitting there drinking a cup of hot cocoa, the old man doing the same, introduces himself to the tattoo man. 24:20.835 --> 24:22.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Peters doesn't believe it. 24:24.051 --> 24:26.432 [SPEAKER_01]: is he being led to the light by Bob? 24:27.352 --> 24:33.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Where he once might have wreaked havoc, Peters simply asked the pastor for his credentials. 24:34.134 --> 24:35.214 [SPEAKER_01]: The pastor hands him over. 24:36.214 --> 24:38.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Then, hands over his car keys. 24:39.275 --> 24:45.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Shaking his head, Peter John Peters, leaves without hurting anyone for once. 24:46.742 --> 24:52.663 [SPEAKER_01]: He drives for a while in the pastor's car, shocked and in his side, wondering what to do next. 24:53.684 --> 25:00.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes on a spree or a bender, there's a moment where it's like, what am I doing? 25:01.225 --> 25:01.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Who am I? 25:03.286 --> 25:03.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Where am I going? 25:05.486 --> 25:06.366 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this gonna stop? 25:07.927 --> 25:09.547 [SPEAKER_01]: How is it gonna end? 25:10.606 --> 25:14.550 [SPEAKER_01]: And as Peter's has this moment, the car skids into a dish. 25:15.191 --> 25:19.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy fuck, Jesus Christ God, are you actually trying to stop this? 25:19.555 --> 25:26.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Now Peter gets out into the snow, kicks the tires, tries to shove it out for a second and then says fuck him. 25:27.302 --> 25:32.587 [SPEAKER_01]: He approaches a home that has the door locked, he has the shotgun and shoots that lock with the shotgun. 25:33.570 --> 25:40.237 [SPEAKER_01]: He kicks the door in afterward, steps inside, and is met by a woman who hands in the keys to her blue-forward temple. 25:40.797 --> 25:47.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Did he even ask, or was she just standing here in the foyer waiting for him? 25:47.664 --> 25:56.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Peter John Peters is in too much of a hurry to assault the woman so he just takes the keys, gets in the car, backs it out, and that's when he starts hearing the sirens. 25:57.792 --> 26:00.895 [SPEAKER_01]: A little further down the street and around the corner, he's met by a roadblock. 26:01.576 --> 26:06.702 [SPEAKER_01]: The tattoo man revs up the engine, but the car is front wheel drive and the back tire is sliding out. 26:07.923 --> 26:11.087 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, maybe it is time to slow down. 26:12.448 --> 26:14.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter John Peters finally does. 26:15.191 --> 26:15.872 [SPEAKER_01]: He Peters out. 26:17.172 --> 26:26.803 [SPEAKER_01]: He slows the vehicle, stops it, gets out, walks up to the officers in the snow, without his shotgun, his hands to the sky, his face to the sun. 26:27.865 --> 26:35.594 [SPEAKER_01]: He's under arrest, fine, but truly, maybe, he's been saved. 26:43.519 --> 26:45.761 [SPEAKER_01]: And that'll do it, although not quite. 26:46.481 --> 27:04.535 [SPEAKER_01]: In August of 1990, the Tattoo Man pled guilty and received life sentences with no parole eligibility for 17 years on two-secondary murder charges, plus concurrent life for the attempted murder of Sandy, Bellows, and he got sentenced for the robberies kidnappings and related offenses that he committed during that. 27:05.275 --> 27:09.757 [SPEAKER_01]: delicious crime spree in the late 1990s because of fucking train. 27:10.417 --> 27:12.678 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna change my logo to have a train involved in it. 27:12.698 --> 27:13.839 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that? 27:13.859 --> 27:18.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna quit smoke and two so no snow cigarette smoke in my logo just a fucking train. 27:18.501 --> 27:21.042 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a train running right through my fucking logo, right in your face. 27:22.763 --> 27:24.944 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the train act like I'm pissed off a bit about it. 27:26.160 --> 27:28.581 [SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable that it shows up on every episode. 27:28.681 --> 27:34.383 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not here, while I'm right now here, whatever else it is, suddenly when I'm trying to fucking wrap this thing up, bone with train. 27:34.423 --> 27:36.043 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a part of the show I guess. 27:37.064 --> 27:43.606 [SPEAKER_01]: In the late 1990s, after a suicide attempt, Peter's found God and legally changes named John Cody. 27:44.266 --> 27:48.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes reported as John Ross Cody in an attempt to reinvent himself. 27:49.707 --> 28:00.716 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2007, he walked away from a minimum security president in British Columbia for approximately 24 hours before turning himself in, he was convicted of being unlawfully at large. 28:01.717 --> 28:12.005 [SPEAKER_01]: During incarceration, he became sober for over 30 years, completed high school, finished core correctional and vocational programs, underwent counseling, and worked as a 28:19.072 --> 28:19.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, way to go. 28:20.233 --> 28:25.639 [SPEAKER_01]: So, must be hard for a guy who's been with 300 women or whatever at that point. 28:26.280 --> 28:36.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Parole applications were denied in 2013 and 2021 due to his moderate to high risk of violent and sexual reoffending and high risk of intimate partner violence. 28:37.449 --> 28:46.876 [SPEAKER_01]: Victim families including Charlene Britain's sister Darlin submitted impact statements opposing release, some call for the death penalty and described ongoing trauma. 28:47.517 --> 29:00.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Progress towards supervised releases included escorted absences, a 60-day unscored temporary absence on Vancouver Island happened in February through July of 2025, and construction work 29:05.391 --> 29:23.156 [SPEAKER_01]: In December of 2025, the parole board of Canada granted him six months of day parole on Vancouver Island a beautiful place, citing accountability, motivation, and no-one do risk to society in a strict conditions, as it can be in a good guy, so we just let him go and enjoy the weather. 29:23.876 --> 29:26.877 [SPEAKER_01]: He lives in a community residential facility, a halfway house. 29:27.497 --> 29:31.398 [SPEAKER_01]: He's allowed out during the day, but must return nightly with a tempium curfew. 29:33.923 --> 29:37.089 [SPEAKER_01]: After 10, that's when all the chicks come out, and I can drag them into the bushes. 29:38.351 --> 29:43.179 [SPEAKER_01]: And he must comply with conditions, including no contact with victims or families. 29:44.227 --> 29:47.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah fuck I wanted to like really I just wanted to bug those people a bit about it. 29:48.628 --> 29:54.429 [SPEAKER_01]: He has to report all his relationships with women because like he kills and rapes and he woman that he comes across. 29:55.089 --> 29:58.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah well as of late up until he got incarcerated. 29:58.570 --> 30:06.572 [SPEAKER_01]: He's now allowed to drink or do drugs which leads me to believe that that was involved through it all that but I found no evidence of it there wasn't a lot of information on the case. 30:07.272 --> 30:25.932 [SPEAKER_01]: he's not to have any criminal associates fuck but i'm in jail and uh... well he's at a jail so he doesn't worry about that and he uh... needs special permission for devices ordered travel to Alberta and tario a fuck i want to do a trip across canada i want to go i want to go to new finland 30:26.733 --> 30:39.128 [SPEAKER_01]: As of mid-May 2026, John Cody, John Ross Cody, now 64 years old, remains on this six-month day parole with a review schedule for June of 2026, next month. 30:41.042 --> 30:52.506 [SPEAKER_01]: No public reports of violations or incidents have emerged, he continues to be assessed as moderate to high risk for violent sexual reoffending and high risk for intimate partner violence. 30:53.327 --> 31:00.009 [SPEAKER_01]: So, he's basically out and on the path to complete freedom by his late 60s, I mean, he's going to be out. 31:00.049 --> 31:01.090 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be out this summer. 31:02.473 --> 31:03.374 [SPEAKER_01]: a 64. 31:04.114 --> 31:08.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hate to keep shedding my departed father out like this, but he'd be thinking this is pretty funny. 31:08.977 --> 31:14.161 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in his late 60s and still a major problem when he passed. 31:14.201 --> 31:18.023 [SPEAKER_01]: So not a whole lot of slow and down there for some guys in the 60s. 31:19.243 --> 31:24.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea of being old and peeding in X-Cons ability to re-offend isn't a good idea. 31:25.506 --> 31:26.327 [SPEAKER_01]: They can still do that. 31:26.507 --> 31:28.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Some guys get older and get more perverted. 31:29.589 --> 31:37.993 [SPEAKER_01]: And some manipulative bastards came in it to into thinking that he's, I'm all right, I'm all right, and all the way up until he's completely free. 31:38.554 --> 31:40.034 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he grabs someone and does it again. 31:41.435 --> 31:42.356 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll just have to see. 31:43.332 --> 31:45.858 [SPEAKER_01]: because after all of that, he's basically free. 31:46.660 --> 31:52.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't even identify him by the tattoos anymore because since his arrest, every other man out there is a tattoo man. 31:54.748 --> 31:59.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well, join Dark Topic Plus if you'd like exclusive content, including more frequent episodes. 32:00.151 --> 32:02.712 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a big back catalog on Dark Topic Plus. 32:02.732 --> 32:05.813 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get there through Apple, through Spotify now, it's in the show notes. 32:05.833 --> 32:07.274 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get there through Patreon. 32:07.934 --> 32:09.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot of unreleased material on there. 32:10.916 --> 32:13.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're wanting more Dark Topic, it's there. 32:14.878 --> 32:15.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Links in the show notes. 32:16.438 --> 32:19.980 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to do a shout out to FastEddie, Crasinger. 32:20.060 --> 32:21.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Eddie. 32:21.581 --> 32:23.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the high level support on Patreon. 32:24.559 --> 32:28.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Easy, Eric, Ecloth, Eric, recognize the name. 32:28.685 --> 32:30.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for your support of the years. 32:31.208 --> 32:32.770 [SPEAKER_01]: And money malinda becker. 32:32.791 --> 32:34.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I gave everybody a nickname there. 32:35.374 --> 32:37.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Money malinda isn't a good one, but you know who is. 32:38.278 --> 32:39.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Malinda becker. 32:39.319 --> 32:40.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the high level support. 32:41.282 --> 32:42.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing good to see you know. 32:43.385 --> 32:51.194 [SPEAKER_01]: When on that sardine fast, it lasted the day and then I said, you know, I'm just trying to be disciplined. 32:51.214 --> 32:54.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to be eating sardines for three days. 32:55.859 --> 33:00.605 [SPEAKER_01]: So then I just quit the drinking for a while and ate a lot of vegetables, eat meat, 33:03.008 --> 33:30.160 [SPEAKER_01]: I have the privilege of being able to kind of sit back and recognize how poorly things are going with me health-wise and adjust those bad habits and I'm starting to do it and thanks to all of you who listen and who support the show I just have the time to be able to do that and I'm taking advantage of it so again you know thanks and I'm getting there. 33:34.425 --> 33:35.245 [SPEAKER_01]: moving forward. 33:36.186 --> 33:38.907 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, I'm always kind of mired in my past. 33:38.947 --> 33:49.331 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always kind of thinking I need to be a certain thing or a behavior certain way or continue being a certain way to be successful. 33:49.931 --> 33:52.052 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not true. 33:53.052 --> 33:58.934 [SPEAKER_01]: You can adjust, make those adjustments that better yourself and then probably everything you're doing is going to get better as well. 34:01.335 --> 34:02.076 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm learning that. 34:02.616 --> 34:04.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully I can figure it all out before I get too old. 34:05.678 --> 34:08.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, my goal is to figure it all out before my kids get too old. 34:09.060 --> 34:11.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Before they see me as a certain type of guy. 34:12.199 --> 34:22.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Who they love, you know, and I love them and my girl and we have such a great situation but it's like I just want everybody to look back and be like, oh, he, he figured it out. 34:23.366 --> 34:28.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be in my 60s when they look at me and say that I want to be in my 40s. 34:29.649 --> 34:37.314 [SPEAKER_01]: When I was like, oh, shitty figured he figured it out and that was inspiring and not that it's all about me, but 34:38.094 --> 34:44.558 [SPEAKER_01]: It is all about me when it comes to the impression of my self that I want to put out there to my kids, to my girl, even to this audience. 34:45.498 --> 34:52.302 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get over all the things that have made me, I guess, in certain ways, but also like they've just bothered me for so long. 34:52.562 --> 34:53.362 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to... 34:57.064 --> 34:58.465 [SPEAKER_01]: It's want to get over it. 35:00.455 --> 35:15.540 [SPEAKER_01]: These stories that I tell help in that there's people who have just been, they've disappeared, they've been murdered senselessly and it shows you how unfair life is, how short it can be. 35:16.680 --> 35:25.083 [SPEAKER_01]: It also shows being with the criminals, how brutal and disgusting and everything else humans can be. 35:25.103 --> 35:28.444 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day I'm like, 35:29.750 --> 35:31.911 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in a jungle, we're still in a jungle. 35:31.952 --> 35:37.055 [SPEAKER_01]: We think that we've gotten above all this and we're humans and we're better than everything. 35:37.075 --> 35:40.757 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're just fucking animals trying to figure things out. 35:43.145 --> 35:59.822 [SPEAKER_01]: We make major mistakes, so we fall in the traps, we are taking advantage of by people who are shitty, we can overcome those things, we can avoid them, we can escape, we can survive, we can do all kinds of things, it is what it is. 36:01.143 --> 36:02.244 [SPEAKER_01]: It just is what it is. 36:02.364 --> 36:12.571 [SPEAKER_01]: And what it is with me, I want it to be up until whatever it is that be falls me, whatever a fuck I'm trying to say here. 36:13.371 --> 36:17.714 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to be who I should be as quickly as possible. 36:18.215 --> 36:19.576 [SPEAKER_01]: The my best version of myself. 36:20.596 --> 36:27.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying. 36:29.150 --> 36:30.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Not trying hard enough, that's for sure. 36:32.379 --> 36:35.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Icecactors like State Perinoid, I'll talk to you real soon. 36:35.548 --> 36:35.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, thanks.