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[SPEAKER_10]: If you had drank a hundred bottles of whiskey, would you even notice?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, would you even know if someone was living here?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_10]: It feels like a tree falling in a forest sort of situation to me.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think after the first quarter bottle, I would not enjoy any of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like you'd pretty much be throwing up, and then it really is a hindrance to have someone looking your tits where you're throwing up Like, can you stop like he might did it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I need to move my hair out of the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't hear.
[SPEAKER_05]: Move my head.
[SPEAKER_05]: My hair out of the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like having a baby calf on me at all times.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mama's trying to throw up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, that voice you heard is our guest.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will be talking about, uh, from season four of Madman, episode 12, blowing smoke with a fabulous guest.
[SPEAKER_05]: First time guest on this podcast, hilarious comedian, writer, and ceramicist, ladies and gentlemen, and everyone else.
[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the podcast, Eliza Skinner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me
[SPEAKER_05]: How are you doing Eliza?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm good, how are you?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you know, watching TV shows.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pretty good.
[SPEAKER_16]: This was tough.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Because I've been in a real ER hole for a while.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_16]: So switching over to a different show.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's got to be weird for you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's really weird.
[SPEAKER_16]: Luckily, I was far enough into ER.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm like season 13 at this point.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, Jesus.
[SPEAKER_16]: So isn't that bad?
[SPEAKER_10]: If this isn't, this isn't even... Do they make it up?
[SPEAKER_16]: 15.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm dissociated.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, I am living in ERland.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm in Chicago in 9th grade.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm a doctor.
[SPEAKER_10]: Is there like 25 episodes seasons, too, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's never the same.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_16]: And they even end this...
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't know if it was this season or what.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's of all the fog, but recently they changed the theme song, which had been eminominated the original theme song to this really short game.
[SPEAKER_09]: For no one told me that was gonna be this way.
[SPEAKER_09]: Bipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipip
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, no to this really short little almost sting so they could fit in more story.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_05]: More story better.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, the reason behind it was they were like not enough time for the story of time for our stories.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we have 25 episodes of story to be like 16 episodes into a season and just being in the right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Assume like
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh my god, all right, we did.
[SPEAKER_10]: We did cancer, poop transplant.
[SPEAKER_10]: It sounds like a dream.
[SPEAKER_10]: Tropical, what else?
[SPEAKER_10]: What other medical stuff is there?
[SPEAKER_10]: Shingles?
[SPEAKER_16]: I can't imagine it because I've been watching that for a couple of weeks now.
[SPEAKER_16]: Before then, it was very respectable.
[SPEAKER_16]: But yeah, there was the, I think the real like market horse jump or shark jump, excuse me, was the the monkey surgery.
[SPEAKER_16]: which was performed by the baby monkey surgery, which was performed by Maurer Tierney and John Leg was also, did you remember he was on the show?
[SPEAKER_16]: He was, he was an attending doctor, and they did their own house of bug and crossover.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was during the same time that Christian Johnson was on too.
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, and they did some surgery on a baby monkey.
[SPEAKER_16]: The baby monkey, she spoiler, was not going to make it.
[SPEAKER_16]: So the handler had to go get the the monkey mom.
[SPEAKER_16]: So the monkey mom could be there and see the baby monkey die on the table.
[SPEAKER_16]: We understand what had happened.
[SPEAKER_16]: So if we just know, just be like, my baby got taken away.
[SPEAKER_10]: that this is what happens monkey this is why you should have been a better mother and this is what happens after eleven play is a tree and you see it happens that's so wild there was a time in TV where it was like having one of these jobs
[SPEAKER_05]: it just meant you were set.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was, I mean, it's almost like a welfare program at this point.
[SPEAKER_16]: If you think there was a time in TV where if you got a pop-tarts commercial, you were set.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, if you would like a national major brand commercial.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're good.
[SPEAKER_05]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_05]: What happened to this country, you know?
[SPEAKER_10]: Bill, you know, the Ellison's yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: This country used to be great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_10]: We should make it great again.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_16]: You think we could do that?
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, isn't that for something?
[SPEAKER_16]: That's a pretty good slogan.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I like that word on a hat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Before we continue talking about ER, I have another question.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a non-ER related question.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll try.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eliza Skinner, what's your favorite advertisement?
[SPEAKER_16]: OK.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I have a follow-up question for the question.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Does that mean an advertisement that I enjoy or an advertisement that I feel like is very effective as an advertisement?
[SPEAKER_05]: It can be either.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would say either way you're thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: The point is you're thinking, and isn't that how advertising works?
[SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that right, Don Draper?
[SPEAKER_05]: It can be either.
[SPEAKER_05]: Usually it's just an ad that people personally enjoy.
[SPEAKER_05]: And sometimes it's like, this is an ad that worked on me.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's up to you.
[SPEAKER_16]: All right, I'm guessing that either way, you get a lot of answers that involve good jingles, and you're going to get that now.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love jingles.
[SPEAKER_05]: We love a jingle.
[SPEAKER_16]: Can I give you a tube?
[SPEAKER_16]: Can I give you my answer for both of the verbs?
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: But you cannot prefer this.
[SPEAKER_10]: No more prefacing.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, no, she's going to grab us a promise.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: So the one that worked on me really well was, um, watch em all, which was a watch.
[SPEAKER_16]: They were, they were these, um, stuffed animal watches for kids here.
[SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: And you'd flip it up and it would be like you're wearing just like a a stuffed a plushy on your wrist and then you flip it up and there's a little watch underneath it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And the song for it, the commercial part was, watch emuls a two cool, two cool, watch emuls a two cool, two cool, and they weren't.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I didn't know anybody who had them, but I bought so hard into that messaging.
[SPEAKER_16]: I was like, this is gonna be what makes her bricks me as an elementary school weirdo.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm gonna either get a watch emul and break through into the social setting that I need to be in, which is not a pariah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm just not where I am, I'm decidedly in pariah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I need to find, I need to find this jingle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you say it's called, it's Watchemals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a few commercials.
[SPEAKER_05]: Two cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: One is.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a two, two cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: What is that your dog's mad every time you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was probably, like, first-gen, where it was, like, this for babies.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I'd be like, no way.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I just had some Don Draper type like we got to totally get in people's face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man Maybe it's this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try it
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, there was a time to talk to a clock that is Fuck yeah, I just there's a time in which like the people who did jingles gave a shit Right, yeah, yeah, you could feel like gummy bears era.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that that rescue rangers era
[SPEAKER_05]: T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T
[SPEAKER_05]: Here in Duckburg.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, yeah, but that but for sure events you were right there that commercial they were like look these kids They're all the children of divorce.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're all latch key kids.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're lonely.
[SPEAKER_16]: They want to fit in They want to feel accepted.
[SPEAKER_16]: They want to feel like they belong.
[SPEAKER_16]: They want to feel cool
[SPEAKER_18]: And this is just what we're going to sell.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to shred some flying V guitar at him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but don't draper them.
[SPEAKER_05]: I swear it's like this era of 80s to like, I don't know, 99.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you were someone who knew how to shred, you had work for two decades.
[SPEAKER_16]: Two decades.
[SPEAKER_16]: I've never thought about like the commercial shredders.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like do you think there were a bunch of like guitar guys just up and down the sunset strip being like, uh-huh, sorry man, it's been cool hanging out, but I got to go over to this ad agency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to do it for his be commercial.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was 90% slash he was just sitting in a chair in the corner with his top hat and a bottle of Jack and a cigarette and they're like, all right, dude slash tails.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, oh, all right, it's a living it's a living so you said you have another add.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is not worked on you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, no, that one that I just told you about, that was the one that worked on me.
[SPEAKER_16]: The one that's just like an all-timeer, but now that we've listened to it, I'm like, that's on, did shred, that's on, he has legit good.
[SPEAKER_16]: That is very good.
[SPEAKER_16]: We should all look for it on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_16]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_16]: Except we shouldn't use Spotify.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's right, it is.
[SPEAKER_16]: But yeah, it would be the juicy fruit commercials.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, which ones was there?
[SPEAKER_16]: There was, there was, there were hanging out on a platform on a lake, jumping off of the platform into the lake.
[SPEAKER_16]: So as a bunch of hot teens, men in like sletty, short shorts, and they were, um, you just juicy fruit and it uh, you know, take a stick, pull it out.
[SPEAKER_16]: The taste is going to move you when you pop it in your mouth.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I
[SPEAKER_11]: You said, yeah, taste my memory.
[SPEAKER_11]: Get to see a shine up, but still use the fruit.
[SPEAKER_11]: The taste is gonna move.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's what we do.
[SPEAKER_11]: Take a sniff.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think nobody takes us in the effort there to go.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think it's just a song.
[SPEAKER_18]: It's fine, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_10]: Go on and took a sniff of it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would immediately get arrested.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Everyone feel like the alien is landed.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that is incredible.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a weird thing to add.
[SPEAKER_05]: Take a sniff and jiggle the gummy balls.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah, jiggle the gummies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Slip it once, have a sniff too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Back and forth in and out of your mouth.
[SPEAKER_16]: But see, I will say that one, you know, as a horny little kid, that was sexualizing handsome men, which a lot of ads weren't doing.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I was like, yeah, tell me about what's under those slutty little shorts and and ski people.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a lot of ski people and at least in the version, I watched there were, there were skiing, there was sucking on me.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that was not me.
[SPEAKER_16]: So that was very exotic to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, same.
[SPEAKER_05]: God, those are the days, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Commercial suck now.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all just fucking, every ad is just for a phone game.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think I- And it's all just Jason Mamoa.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's just Jason Mamoa tell me to buy stuff.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't even need only- Yeah, you know, he doesn't play those phone games.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't play it.
[SPEAKER_16]: If he actually played him, he could tell me, hey, you know what it is.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're actually just buying office furniture.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're not, you're not gonna save a baby from getting rained on by fire or whatever you think it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: All the rebels are office furniture.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is just, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is just another candy crush.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know we've made you think that you're going to save this hot woman from her date.
[SPEAKER_16]: That we, we're going to save her forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes, but this is not a draper would be horrified horrified by that you break the trust of the people Yes, but of course, this is this is not a show About juicy fruit Nor is it a show about teaching a homely woman how to shave and time for her date.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, that's our other show fuzzy juicy fruit
[SPEAKER_05]: No, this is a show about Mad Men, and we of course cannot start the podcast without first playing the theme song.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, everyone else once again, we're talking about from season 4 of Madman Episode 12, blowing smoke Vince, can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?
[SPEAKER_10]: Dawn runs into his old flame-midge and learns her life as taking a disturbing turn.
[SPEAKER_10]: After executives from Philip Morris, cancelled a meeting for potential business, Dawn has a full-page ad printed in the New York Times announcing the firm will no longer represent tobacco companies in sensing the other partners.
[SPEAKER_10]: Elsewhere, Sally is upset when Betty and Henry discuss moving to the Francis family to nearby Rye.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's your throw and this is from I'm DB you just copy it in paste I did I did know from Wikipedia probably out of media who cares hey, that means it's got a lot of lies on it It's got a lot of a lot of editors got together to make that stupid shit But Vince what was happening at the time that this episode is set in
[SPEAKER_10]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think what you're trying to say is that we cannot evaluate a period piece divorced from its context We got to put some of that context back in Yeah, put in the period put the period back in Don't leave it on the floor with the news machine.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I want my ass wall street journal There is no big lie There's no system The universe is indifferent
[SPEAKER_10]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_05]: Shout out Will Smith.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Will Smith needs to come back.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where are you going to stay gone?
[SPEAKER_16]: No, he was the original Mr. Worldwide.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he was the first worldwide.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like it's unfair that he slaps one guy and all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, he needs to go away.
[SPEAKER_10]: The slap was like the coolest thing that he did.
[SPEAKER_10]: And all the other stuff was bad.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he and his family are annoying.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I don't want to see them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, that's true.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was sick of them long before that slap.
[SPEAKER_16]: Let me just say our fair fair we're to ask fake scientists anyway Yeah, get real about your Scientology Fake ass Scientology.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're not even good at Scientology They didn't they gave it a myth that there's some you like by Z new Yeah, oh, oh, you're real scientists.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just name five of their albums
[SPEAKER_10]: If you're going to be Scientologist, you can't just lie about it, so to avoid the blowback.
[SPEAKER_10]: You've got to throw in the fact that you're Scientologist.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: LBJ, he's got- he's just- he's recovering from gallbladder surgery.
[SPEAKER_10]: President Johnson's doctor said Saturday he was coming along beautifully and his recovery from gallbladder surgery.
[SPEAKER_10]: they also revealed that he still has one kidney stone quote that has been there for years on quote, but it's not considered a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it sounds gross.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's going to be a kidney stone in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just it been blocking my reading for a long time now, but it just kind of the pregos around it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I feel yeah, I feel like LBJ was the president like with the most You're now in the very track issues that yeah, he's a big guy.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, he's a big dick Wait, did he have a big dick or did he just?
[SPEAKER_10]: No, he had to put it out all the time, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, he like he would like
[SPEAKER_10]: He had me nicknamed it, I believe he like, especially the head, especially designed pants.
[SPEAKER_05]: He did not especially designed big dick pants.
[SPEAKER_16]: He actually, he did, he called it Matt Leib is the weird thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not in praise, it makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was a long time ago, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how he knew.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's thought it was like a funny combination.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is about the size of a six-foot six-jew.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what he said.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's weird that he said that.
[SPEAKER_10]: This other headline I chose, you know, for obvious reasons.
[SPEAKER_10]: Eris, what's dog handler and bargain basement gown?
[SPEAKER_10]: All right, you need to know about that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Wait, the dog handler was in the bargain basement great gown or the Eris.
[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe the dog was, um, you will find out more.
[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe, maybe Reynolds, 23-year-old Eris to a $30 or $40 million of mining fortune recently revealed a secret marriage and said it's made some changes in her life.
[SPEAKER_10]: For instance, she now shares a modest bungalow with 25 dogs and a husband who won't let her spend more than $10 a week.
[SPEAKER_10]: She buys her glasses.
[SPEAKER_16]: That sounds like a witch's curse.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's a pity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was a week, man.
[SPEAKER_16]: She's in the forest.
[SPEAKER_16]: She has to go to a secret well once a week.
[SPEAKER_16]: And throw in some handwork.
[SPEAKER_16]: Madeleine needle points.
[SPEAKER_10]: Great.
[SPEAKER_10]: Uh, she buys her clothes on sale and got married in a $5 bargain dress that just looks terrific on me.
[SPEAKER_10]: Mamie, a tall golden blonde whose family once owned the Hope Diamond, was married September 14th in war as Mexico to Joe Gregory 39 of Louisville, Kentucky, one of the nation's top handlers of show dogs.
[SPEAKER_10]: She was the same day from Luigi Kinetti, Italian race car driver, whom she married in 1963.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean divorce the same day?
[SPEAKER_16]: The same day for Mr. Max and then married her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: All in one day?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_16]: Which it can divorce in the next day?
[SPEAKER_16]: It had to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, but I mean, what about the day before?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a time that a little different.
[SPEAKER_16]: But you know what?
[SPEAKER_16]: ADHD.
[SPEAKER_16]: She put it down.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just true.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's like, sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm hyper focusing on this right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I'm kind of blind.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, the word was kind of getting around, made me said, I don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_10]: So she and Gregory, crew cut muscular former high school basketball player, decided to reveal their marriage while in Pittsburgh for a dog show.
[SPEAKER_10]: She said the marriage was kept a secret, partly for the same reason their courtship started because of a dog.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, they're going to need to explain that one.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was afraid of people knew about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: It might have something to do with winning or not winning in shows.
[SPEAKER_10]: She said, the dog in question is a child named champion lake views Ham some.
[SPEAKER_10]: Wait, that's how is that one name?
[SPEAKER_10]: Champion lake views Ham some.
[SPEAKER_16]: Ham and some two different words.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, H.A.M.
[SPEAKER_10]: S.U.M.
[SPEAKER_16]: So like how much ham you've added up?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the sum of ham.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sum of all ham.
[SPEAKER_03]: John Clancy.
[SPEAKER_10]: What the fuck?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, so yeah, she's an era.
[SPEAKER_10]: She's getting married to a dog handler.
[SPEAKER_10]: I feel like dog handler is sort of underselling the fact that he's a fancy dog show guy, but you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, if it's a dog show guy who makes her live in a cheap house full of dogs, yeah, I don't think he's that dog show guy.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's got one track mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: What was it $10 a week?
[SPEAKER_05]: Was it $10 a week?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that what she's living on?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, that's like a hundred dollars a week.
[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a week.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Even for now standards.
[SPEAKER_16]: Do you guys just know that by now?
[SPEAKER_16]: Because every time I'm not a big madman watcher, but every time I do watch it, I do have to check a That's what we've got.
[SPEAKER_05]: The inflation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's important.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Always.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, at this point, we have it pretty much memorized.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty simple.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just put it here.
[SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we're not good at math without one's easy.
[SPEAKER_10]: This one is another headline that I enjoyed.
[SPEAKER_10]: Peekaboo, no game for driver.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, so I thought this was going to be one kind of funny story and it was a completely different kind of funny story All right, did they pay candy crush back then when they drive?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, what did they do?
[SPEAKER_10]: He can do no game for drivers the headline Article little people especially women should be banned from operating cars if they can't see over the dashboard Philipsy wallwork safety director of the automobile legal association said Saturday.
[SPEAKER_05]: I really feel like the The headline here is
[SPEAKER_05]: not fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot, there's a lot of things that aren't fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a judgment call in the headline, which is like, oh, you know how little people are children?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that's, that's not why.
[SPEAKER_10]: But also, it says especially women.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's my favorite part.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, you don't need to bring little people into it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'll just like anyone who can't see out of their car can't drive.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think that's a fair rule.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you come to see out of the car, that they didn't just start with, we need smaller cars.
[SPEAKER_16]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, that's never what America starts with.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, have you seen the size of these SUVs?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I think the Schriners were hoarding all the tiny cars.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, everybody else.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're the only ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were the only ones who had the little car.
[SPEAKER_16]: I wish they were on the road also.
[SPEAKER_16]: We love you, whimsical.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd love it if there was a little road.
[SPEAKER_16]: There, there needs just jammed up into their chest and I agree at you.
[SPEAKER_05]: With a fuzz.
[SPEAKER_10]: They also winters a fuzz.
[SPEAKER_10]: Trying to scrape them off the road with a spatula, because they got run over by that's why you make a separate small cute road.
[SPEAKER_16]: Or you make them all the teeny tiny cars.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Have a meata.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, that sounds like you're advocating a two-state solution for I'm a no it's two-street solution That's just a hop skip an ad jump.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying everyone gets different license plates and there's gates
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_16]: A part-time driving.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: Unless manufacturer's raised seats or lower dashboard in steering wheels, he said in a statement, safety on our roads demands that little people be banned from operating.
[SPEAKER_10]: He says, especially women.
[SPEAKER_05]: I still admit.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look on that.
[SPEAKER_16]: He said, was there any rash of like accidents caused by little people?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're up this and up.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, he said many women drivers perform a balancing act on a couple of pillows or purchase themselves on a spare leg or hang their heads out of window.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[SPEAKER_16]: As opposed to dogs.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's thinking of dogs.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's thinking of dogs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Or try to bite the air as it is.
[SPEAKER_16]: Because.
[SPEAKER_16]: Are you driving or are you tasting wind?
[SPEAKER_03]: Women decide to drink it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: These women, they always barkin'.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sometimes they just drink, jump out the window.
[SPEAKER_10]: Every time I say walk, they turn their head to the side, quizzically.
[SPEAKER_16]: I just know people are gonna smile when they see me hangin' my head out the window.
[SPEAKER_16]: So that's why I do it.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're doin' it for pets, these women.
[SPEAKER_10]: Next headline, Dr. Urges, Wanted to divorce, see a hypnotist.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, I kind of I'm feeling I get that that's going to come back pretty soon No fault divorce Right Yeah, they'll be like okay, you're not allowed to get divorced without first seeing a hypnotist Yeah, who I'm sure is going to be do totally above board absolutely
[SPEAKER_10]: Hypnosis is being used successfully in helping unhappy spouses make up their minds about getting a divorce.
[SPEAKER_10]: Says a California physician hypnotist.
[SPEAKER_10]: You put the married person into a trans state and tell him he's divorced.
[SPEAKER_10]: Said Dr. Herman Herbert Man of San Jose, California.
[SPEAKER_18]: No, call it the second.
[SPEAKER_10]: They need to discuss various situations that would arise if he were divorced, such as, do you think much about your ex-wife or how does it feel to live alone, sit in a movie alone, or run into married friends, you both knew when you were married.
[SPEAKER_16]: So this is not so much hypnotism but alternate reality.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it sounds like a guilting mother sort of hypnosis.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, it's like, if anyone's being honest in that situation, the answer to those questions are like, uh, I feel great about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel great about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't care if I run another people that I knew when we, uh, it'll be awkward for a second on my way to see a movie alone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that I picked out.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I don't care if we're matches.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, there's mustard on the lapel.
[SPEAKER_16]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, honestly speaking with authority on this one, uh, the feeling would be slight smugness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, 100% 100% like oh, I'm sorry you still in a loveless trapped marriage and then walk away You got a little something on your shirt I don't know that's apples.
[SPEAKER_16]: So awesome something.
[SPEAKER_10]: How do you feel alive for the first time in years?
[SPEAKER_10]: What other questions do you have?
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I'm gonna go make myself happy in a myriad of ways The hypnotists is just like fuck, maybe I wanted a divorce
[SPEAKER_10]: A patient in this kind of trans feels as though he really is divorced, Dr. Man said, this makes it much easier for him when he's conscious to decide whether he wants to stay married or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is zero percent chance that anyone who is dragged to that is going to be like, oh yeah, this is what it feels like to be divorced.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, you've been dragged to a thing you don't
[SPEAKER_16]: This feels like the like some sort of secret recruiting for like all-man island.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Whether like, yeah, we'll fix your husband and he'll come and join us where we build our rocket ships that we just like to fly around because it's cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just driving a pretty cool place.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't remember that well, but this next.
[SPEAKER_10]: God, this is like a bit of the articles, a real sign of the times, I think.
[SPEAKER_10]: Dr. Man said hypnosis is becoming a popular way to cure children of temper tantrums, bed wedding, and nail biting.
[SPEAKER_10]: He told of treating a seven-year-old boy who continually misbehaved at school at home and in public.
[SPEAKER_10]: After I put him in a trance, he asked me, why does it my father hit me like Johnny's father?
[SPEAKER_10]: Dr. Man informed the boy's father of the statement and said the child was seeking attention A few good licking's put an end to the tension I
[SPEAKER_16]: If you loved me, you'd hit me.
[SPEAKER_10]: You can't wait.
[SPEAKER_16]: The other kids hit dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: You loved mommy, and you hit her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_05]: I am having a stroke trying to figure out what that means.
[SPEAKER_16]: We, I think we just said it.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is in a trend.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's been hypnotized.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in his analysis, he's like, man, I wish my dad would beat me more.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, that he was finally able to express the subconscious reason.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then the day I would know he was paying attention to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then the dad was just like, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then hit him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_16]: See, this makes a great case for King Acceptance.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, give people a safe place to essentially get whatever kind of attention they need or then, you know, they don't need to involve their kids and or parents.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Listen, if you want to hate your kid, obviously, no, no king shaming here.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, that's not what I meant.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a king that's been what I got from them.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm thinking like people are waiting.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's an idea that people don't draw line between attention and violence.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think I got it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I can.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, we're my guys.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm canceled.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're gonna wrap things up with one of the little jokes that newspapers like to put like just pepper throughout their pages.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I hope it's
[SPEAKER_10]: This, no, it's not a comic.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's just a joke.
[SPEAKER_10]: The headline comic dictionary entry intuition.
[SPEAKER_10]: The instinct that tells a woman that her husband is lying even when he tells the truth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is so 1965.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's just a mess.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a mess, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lighting project.
[SPEAKER_16]: Have you been doing any of those like novel team museums that are like, this is what the old timey prison looked like?
[SPEAKER_16]: This is what this sounds like to be.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, wow.
[SPEAKER_16]: So they just stuck their heads in there and their arms, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Stay like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's so bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: There must have been crazy back in those days.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that like,
[SPEAKER_05]: a working, you know, journalist could basically write an article that is something that like a hacky stand-up comic and the store would do.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you know, intuition.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's when, uh, when your girl keeps calling you out for shit, you didn't even do wrong.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah?
[SPEAKER_16]: They don't do jokes like that the store anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they don't are the good.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, if somebody will go up to him be like, hey, man You can't steal material.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: I already do that joke
[SPEAKER_16]: And the guy who wrote it lives in Austin now.
[SPEAKER_10]: So listen, you can do a joke about women yacking, but the little flap of the hand that's mine.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's all my t-shirts.
[SPEAKER_16]: You stole my whole fucking flow.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think you're properly contextualized.
[SPEAKER_10]: You guys feel contextualized?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_16]: In a very depressed way.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So ready.
[SPEAKER_05]: So ready to talk talk about mad men and in order men mad men.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, I watched season 4 episode 12 of Mad Max Mad Max is a great show too But this is mad men show and before we talk about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's the the guest town account.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right
[SPEAKER_05]: I know Madman first we're going to talk first I'm going to play a little bit of the this week's Draper D story Because this is an episode in which there is Heroine usage I decided to go with a song from 1964 the birds version of Mr. Tambourine man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's a little bit of that yes
[SPEAKER_07]: Name Mr. Advertisement, give me some money I look skinny, and you ain't seen me since season two We haven't finished in a while Name Mr. Advertisement, drive the quad from me Don't let your key hit me husband
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was following her anyways.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can listen to that whole fucking thing at the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sounds delightful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think there's a thing about me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I do hate it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do have a kid.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do have a kid, which is crazy to have both a child and a podcast in which I do a parody synopsis song for every episode of a TV show.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: So the kid just kind of plays with themselves a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: The kid likes outside.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So outside is where kid be.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's an outside baby.
[SPEAKER_05]: Outside baby, some people have inside baby.
[SPEAKER_05]: I got outside baby.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, keep them season.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Learn how to sleep out there with the buggy's.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, we're talking about this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is called blowing smoke.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are dealing with the aftermath of the fact that lucky strike has abandoned sterling Cooper, Draper Price, and they're freaking out trying to get new business before they have to close down Vince, tell me your general thoughts.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm not going to mince words.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think a big part of me thinks that this episode kind of sucks for Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, Sally and Glenn don't give a shit, Dawn staring at a painting, looking anxious.
[SPEAKER_10]: That just feels like prestige TV slop written by AI.
[SPEAKER_10]: Don's Jerry McGuire letter.
[SPEAKER_10]: That feels like a subplot that someone who heard the premise of Madman But who would never actually see in the show would come up with and yet By the end of the show, I feel like it did actually win me over weirdly.
[SPEAKER_10]: Why does it feel so good when Don Pades Pete shit paid Pete's share of the payroll
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, I find myself rooting for the flander and drunk and the waspy weasel rapists to be friends.
[SPEAKER_10]: That that's the magic of madmen.
[SPEAKER_10]: That is some reason.
[SPEAKER_10]: I find myself compelled by these people who are objectively bad, but also not really so much by the minutiae of advertising.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you're the kind of guy that's the union of this episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're the kind of guy who just needs to see somebody torn up by a lawnmower every episode.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, just something that's that's I don't need to see him.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't need to see any fictional character like stare out a window and have like an introspective moment.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't think that's I think you should get into Mad Max the TV show Yeah, it's all lawn mowers all the time because this one literally starts every episode with a silhouette of a man staring out of a window
[SPEAKER_16]: So you're gonna get a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's thinking and getting drunk, which I'm okay with.
[SPEAKER_16]: He was that's exactly what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_16]: He started the painting.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eliza, your general thoughts on this episode in particular.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course you can talk about Mad Men in general, but up to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Up to you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, well, in general, I think this entire podcast is flawed, because you signed me emails like, oh, you don't have to watch the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_16]: Just as one episode, you'll understand what?
[SPEAKER_16]: What?
[SPEAKER_16]: There was a show called Prior's Place that Richard Prior did for half of a season.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was not successful, but I remember a little bit of it.
[SPEAKER_16]: He played a lot of characters, including a homeless man named Bummer.
[SPEAKER_16]: And in one episode, the kids are talking about how much they hated reading and bummer gave them the advice that if you just open a book to any page and start reading on that page.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's all you need to do.
[SPEAKER_08]: You pretty much get it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, you're pretty much getting, you could write your book report.
[SPEAKER_16]: And then when the kids walked away, he was like, how high, tricked them because if they start reading, they're going to want to read the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_16]: And none of that is true.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that's exactly what they felt like trying to watch this.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I tried to watch it and then I had to go back to two episodes, watch those, and then watch it again.
[SPEAKER_16]: And then I was like, oh, it's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is a brilliant episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: They picked the best one of the season, I think, for me to watch.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it's very important for me to be watching right now in my career when this theme of desperation through the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: These were all.
[SPEAKER_05]: This was all conscious.
[SPEAKER_05]: This was all done consciously.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I was like no wonder he asked me at the last minute because he was like.
[SPEAKER_16]: I got a, I got a surprise her with this.
[SPEAKER_16]: If she sees it coming, she's gonna be like, no, it's two point yet.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I, I feel like, especially once I watched it the second time, so I knew where everything was going.
[SPEAKER_16]: In the first, and like, the things they were saying the first three seconds of the shot, like the first thing, the guy's like, I bet I could get a date with your, when he, he's on the meeting with the guy, I could have been in the mother right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, that's the whole episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I was like, oh, this show is made for streaming, but it was made before streaming.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, it's made to be watched over and over again.
[SPEAKER_10]: You mentioned watching this shit like week by week with commercials.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, okay, so also it's like the peak version of deciphering shows as opposed to just Washington like what you're talking about is what I like which is just watching a show Would you be in like I got my my wine and my melted cheese on a piece of bread lay it on my TV show
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and take the wheel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: TV show, take the wheel.
[SPEAKER_16]: And this is like, ooh, what do you think it means?
[SPEAKER_16]: And now, and that's pickled people's brains now.
[SPEAKER_16]: And have you seen the discourse about how people watch the pit?
[SPEAKER_16]: They're like, oh, they're all in love with each other.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it's all building towards them, creating a secret layer in the sky because they join swords.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, what do you guys see?
[SPEAKER_10]: I heard with the pit was, wait, the pit's the name of the hospital.
[SPEAKER_10]: All right, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, you were done immediately right after that.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was like, yeah, no, thanks.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not the name of the hospital.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the name of the emergency That's the part of the hospital down here in the pit of the pit.
[SPEAKER_16]: Which is it's bird.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_05]: So no, yeah Oh, Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no
[SPEAKER_16]: But I feel like everybody tries to watch every, especially at all prestige show this way where they're like every line is secret meaningful or agami.
[SPEAKER_16]: I must unfold and it's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: I feel like they do that now and you sort of get nothing out of it a lot of the time where it's like madman like you get something out of it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Like there's a tweet inside the fortune cookie where it's like, I'm trying to watch you for you.
[SPEAKER_10]: What?
[SPEAKER_10]: Why?
[SPEAKER_10]: I care about the the kids that are sad because they do drugs.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Now that's exactly what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like this show and this era of shows taught people.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Unwrapped.
[SPEAKER_16]: And maybe that is because there was a week between each time you could watch it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like you couldn't sit there and binge the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_16]: So you yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Maybe people t-voted and watched it over.
[SPEAKER_05]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I also think that like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a very
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, there was also the recap industry back then.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like people make different magazines and websites.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'll have like recaps of each episode.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: And so that was filled with their quote-unite hearing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Recapping is recapping.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who would do that?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I mean, you're doing it for entertainment value, not for like, well, I need to know.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right fan theory.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: And theories like, I don't, yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's not a thing that I think I can care less about than a fan theory.
[SPEAKER_10]: Or a fan.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: You can imagine.
[SPEAKER_16]: Who do you think listens to you, guys?
[SPEAKER_16]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_16]: So gross.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I will say it.
[SPEAKER_16]: My last thought on my overall thought in this.
[SPEAKER_16]: As an ER fan.
[SPEAKER_16]: Boy was I delighted to see Dr. Anne Spa, not only in the episode, who he's the chief of the hospital in ER for like almost the entire run of it for about 12 seasons of it.
[SPEAKER_16]: He plays what's it's it's John Elward that the guy who's like working with Dr. Miller.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah, and they give him a doctor joke.
[SPEAKER_16]: He, when he's in the meeting with them, he's like, things are pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_16]: And Slattery is like, yeah, okay, we see there's a dark spot on the, you don't have to keep pointing at it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I was like, uh-huh, because that was exactly when ER was on.
[SPEAKER_16]: So they must have been like, we see you network watchers.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that they were doing, I love that there was any R crossover just for you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Just for me, this is all the way I knew it was you planned this plan.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is all planned.
[SPEAKER_16]: I realize that don't look desperate in front of this town or they won't hire you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I have similar thoughts about this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not as harsh as Vince when it comes to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think it was a bad episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did think that...
[SPEAKER_10]: I came around on it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I thought it was good eventually.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, that journey alone should have, no, no, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: The journey itself was fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say I enjoyed certain themes in this episode I thought really fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: One is let's see where we are in six months as a way to watch someone die.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's always a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like this episode to me is about people
[SPEAKER_05]: having too many therapists or too few therapists and I love that Sally has two therapists.
[SPEAKER_05]: She has Dr. Edna and she has Glenn, Vince, I don't know why you hated that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought that was the best part of Glenn.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love young Glenn.
[SPEAKER_10]: Tim Glenn?
[SPEAKER_05]: I got no more.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like middle, middle Glenn is great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think middle Glenn is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_16]: Do you think Glenn is a her therapist just because she tells him her dreams?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, 100%, she had the dream that I have, which is having two therapists.
[SPEAKER_05]: One that you lie to, and another that you talk about that other therapist with.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I just thought that was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_16]: I thought maybe they were trying they were supposed to be again.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't really watch the show so I don't know what the pattern is, but I thought maybe they were trying to mirror John, uh, uh, Don and Betty and Betty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Just from that moment where he's like yeah, where she's like think about forever.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's terrible and it's forever and he's like I wish you hadn't told me that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love see I I love.
[SPEAKER_05]: that conversation, whether or not it has something a more perceived TV slot.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's a little kid talking about the nature of forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, but you see, I didn't look at it as a conversation that necessarily has any meaning or symbolism outside of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is great, because this is, I don't know, I love that conversation.
[SPEAKER_10]: No more of your thoughts about the Lando Lakes.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think the child of a marketer viewing the world through marketing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the fact that she looks at it and is scared.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're a soprano, guys.
[SPEAKER_16]: I see.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, uh, less, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I could more whack in type guy.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, less little kids pontificating for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I love that scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a clip.
[SPEAKER_14]: Except they don't believe that.
[SPEAKER_14]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_14]: Then what happens when you die?
[SPEAKER_14]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think about forever, I get upset.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like the Land of Lakes Butter has that Indian girl sitting holding a box.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it has a picture of her on it holding a box.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a picture of her on a holding a box.
[SPEAKER_13]: Do you ever know what to say?
[SPEAKER_14]: I wish I went to said that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I died when I heard that line, just because I like that she was able to sell him on the existential dread of the Lendil Lake's butter in the lake she was like, oh shit, that is more of fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: That, see, I love, I love that shit.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like when the show, I don't know, it does a good job with Sally's character growing up.
[SPEAKER_05]: just kind of doing adolescence shit that I think a lot of shows when they write kids, they do it a little bit more cartoony.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the sopranos is a great example of when they wrote AJ as much as I love AJ as a character.
[SPEAKER_05]: They very much just like went to a middle school for five seconds and said these kids sure seem to like slip knot and then left and went to the writers room You're like what a road of middle school or instead of like oh, what can I use as a vehicle for my most ass-in-ine observations?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I mean I will say in my experience from hanging out with kids around that age there is like a lot of shit they say that you're like
[SPEAKER_16]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, the most random thing anyone has ever said in front of me or did my spine just get wounded?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Was that stupid or you a problem?
[SPEAKER_16]: Or really bizarre.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I I really love that and then also you have a bunch of therapists at the end losing their jobs That's kind of how I looked at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like you've got Dr. Hedna, you know, is going to You know, not be seeing Sally as much anymore You also have Glenn is not going to be seeing Sally much anymore either because they're gonna move and Dr.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fate just got fired all the therapists are getting fired.
[SPEAKER_05]: You said they're all saying I wish you wouldn't have said that
[SPEAKER_05]: that's exactly right they're all saying the same thing i wish you wouldn't have said that that being said where i do uh... agree with you is the painting the painting the painting is the most the painting is the whole episode are you guys correct
[SPEAKER_05]: I like everything leading up to the painting when it's so this show has a tendency to fall back onto like first like season one habits kind of like I've compared it to breaking bad like the first couple seasons of breaking bad is just like how am I going to use science to get out of this pickle.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in Mad Men, it's like, how am I going to take, you know, what I've learned in this episode thus far and use it for advertisements purposes.
[SPEAKER_10]: How am I going to use the burgeoning counter culture as a device for genres, evolution as an ad
[SPEAKER_10]: I want the nose well, it's two on the nose number one and it's also a hat on the hat because he already had a great conversation with Peggy where she's like you always say, you know if you don't like what people are saying change the conversation like we we get what like I get where his turn right from I didn't need like an interlude with some random heroin addicts that we haven't thought about oh Well that I loved I loved all the heroin stuff, but yeah, I didn't feel okay
[SPEAKER_05]: like that that whole exchange of it like would do you like my work or do you think that do you think my work is worth that and he's like doesn't matter doesn't matter i thought that was like that's exactly what he's dealing with exactly i and and i thought that was really good i also did like the midcha update because you know i have been wondering where's midget all the characters thinking where's mid but we yeah can we talk about that whole
[SPEAKER_10]: Sorry, before you talk about marriage, we gotta talk about ads.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh no, this is a show about advertisements, and we cannot do the show without advertisements.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the Lando Lake's butter in these.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wish you would have said that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I wish I wouldn't have said it either.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone stick around.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're back to mad yourself a man here with Eliza, Skinner, how are you doing Eliza?
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm still okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: How about you guys?
[SPEAKER_05]: Still doing good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Still think about Lando Lakes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about that mid stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: So in order to get there, we do have to say what had happened up until that point.
[SPEAKER_16]: Did you ever associate that Lando Lakes lady with the reason lady?
[SPEAKER_16]: Because I always did.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's another, they're both stewards of the land and there's another butter thing that's not an Indian right, but it's similar or did Lando Lake stop doing an Indian?
[SPEAKER_16]: No, I think they, I think they still do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me look it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lando lakes has still damn straight up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Still got that Indian on there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, they, you know what, they've gotten rid of the Indian now, just it's a lake with some land.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, I mean, it's a little more straightforward.
[SPEAKER_16]: What about the raisin lady is she still on her box.
[SPEAKER_16]: She's just a wait lady, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: So that's Raising.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can still lady.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's sun made.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sun made.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's she's just a white lady.
[SPEAKER_05]: So she's a lot to say.
[SPEAKER_16]: So we can exploit my people yeah, and that's a lot of white ladies.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's very I mean she looks he know oh she's I mean she's she's got fair white skin and she's got European features She could still be European Latino that's in my child mind.
[SPEAKER_16]: I just always associated them as the pretty ladies sitting with foods that were definitely a part of my menu as a child
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know what's crazy though.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the sun made lady is like not an ethnic caricature But then you look at the California raisins rocking out and you're like
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, well, no, if they hadn't associated with Motown, maybe they, if you'd given them, like, if they were like the techno reasons, you'd be like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're really in reasons, but you really didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you really didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, Vinnie and her something, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Have a Eurovision kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: The sun-made lady is Lorraine Colette Peterson.
[SPEAKER_05]: She is an American model hired to promote sun-made girl.
[SPEAKER_05]: She is a white lady from Fresno.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hey, how about that?
[SPEAKER_05]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where Vince is from.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's where I'm right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really?
[SPEAKER_05]: He's in Fresno.
[SPEAKER_16]: People say bad things about Fresno.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't find it's got this tasteful.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's it is this tasteful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've went there and I was like, oh, and that was it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I was like, I like this place.
[SPEAKER_16]: What am I missing?
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're missing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I mean, there's bad parts.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think people usually drive through the worst corner of it and then they get that sort of the the stink that they have in their mind and then I'm like, you know, most of the rest of it is like a slightly more downscale Irvine, but you know, I get it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, usually when I travel, I go through the worst parts of places, so maybe compared to the worst parts of every place, it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: It seemed like a nice town.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, that's what they say.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fresno.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_16]: Sorry, I realized I'm like back in complimenting it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, it's true, though.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is not that bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, in order to get to what's happening with Mitch, we got to start off with Don taking his beans meeting.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, Don, I love the way this starts out, or they're just like, talking about the the merits of beans.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was immediately like on board from jump on this episode because he, it dawn is meeting with the beans guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Something that Dr. Fay was able to set up for him.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is like, this is what I like about Madman as people like pondering the deep implications of like beans versus vinegar versus ketchup.
[SPEAKER_10]: Like give me that over Lando Lake's, any goddamn day.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love her.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love her is like, you know, beans are substantial, but pickles are funny.
[SPEAKER_10]: We can use funny marketing because pickles are funny.
[SPEAKER_16]: Again, for my psychosis that this is meant for me on this day, it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, is this is this podcast?
[SPEAKER_16]: Pickles funny or
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_16]: Because it feels like it's an important distinction.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, you want to stay away from beans funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we're beans.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we're beans funny in a pickle's funny world.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how I feel.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, we're probably more.
[SPEAKER_05]: At some level.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a time for a rogan and there's a time for this podcast and you know, it's cyclical.
[SPEAKER_05]: It depends on what order you have in your feed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here is that being conversation.
[SPEAKER_15]: I know that despite the public's imagination, food is cyclical.
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't mean seasonal, but I mean literally, there's a time for beans, and there's a time for catch-up.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I don't have that time, so I want to force the issue.
[SPEAKER_05]: you know something inventive humor worked with the pickles but I'm sorry before we get into humor worked with the pickles him going like of course we all know there's a time for beans and there's a time for ketchup we all know that but I don't have that time we need to force beans now I like this because it's like confidence you know I mean oh beans are going to make a comment
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, having like work tangentially like in the advertising industry, I feel like so much of the advertising business is just like notting your head while a guy tells you something that sounds like he's having a stroke.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's like his car.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, yeah, food is literally sick of cyclical, but not seasonal.
[SPEAKER_16]: The funniest part of this series that I have seen so far was Don's reactions in this conversation of him being like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was talking to Gandhi.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, well, clearly they don't know who they're messing with, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know how big Dick Mr. Bean is over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe those, maybe those clowns of BBDO couldn't force beans.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'll tell you, I'll force a begin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I force the thing or two, don't mind telling you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I force a begin and the bean will like it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I mean, I'll take a sniff.
[SPEAKER_16]: You pull it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll get that juicy fruit all up in that mouth.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd find, let me go on to explain the his marketing strategy or how it needs to be different.
[SPEAKER_15]: An inventive humor worked with the pickles, but pickles are funny.
[SPEAKER_15]: The way beans are funny, we can't use that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I also want to ask.
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll fight them in the streets.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll fight them in the pickle room.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll fight them in the pickle room.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to ask.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says pickles are funny and they use that, but we can't, you know, beans are also funny, but we can't use the way beans are funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are the way that pickles are funny?
[SPEAKER_05]: Pickles are funny because they're somitic coded.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's any like bananas like have you ever done an improv show and if you say we need a suggestion of a food you're going to get bananas You're going to get pickles.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's about it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And they're the proctologist and it's also it's because they're they're phallic That's what I was saying they're funny tasting
[SPEAKER_05]: So, and we start- He's talking about pickles like there's something funny about it beyond the fact that it looks like a penis And I'm like- Like a fucked up penis.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like a weird penis.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's not be judged sometimes it looks like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh- Not me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But sometimes it looks like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, they again, not me.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, I'll be Jay called his dick manly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he got it right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I got this pickled dick here and some TP in my bung hole.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he said that before being here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, original Cornholio, some guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, he talks about pickles as being funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I assume it's because they're fallyed, but he's
[SPEAKER_05]: He's saying it's because what they're Jewish.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think I would to Jewish right away.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_16]: I just went to like kids joke books, you know, and like, yeah, I like pickle.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like the weird kid is like, I like pickle Jews.
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, yeah, I guess we can only scratch and sniff pickle sticker because like, you could have jam.
[SPEAKER_16]: Why would you want pickles in a jam world?
[SPEAKER_10]: You can pull it out and make a mustache out of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of funny things about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess just as you can do with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whereas like beans only being fart funny makes it, like I guess that's not what he meant.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_16]: I thought that part was sometic.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of get him not wanting to.
[SPEAKER_05]: to use farts in a net.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, this all goes a rye.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, um, he does not get the pickle, or he does not get the beans contract.
[SPEAKER_05]: They say, we want to see where you are in six months.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, everyone's freaking out.
[SPEAKER_05]: They know they need to do something.
[SPEAKER_05]: The guy from me are gets them a meeting allegedly with Philip Morris.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, um, he explains it in a way where he basically says, y'all need to be, you guys are like a very specific type of girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_05]: the type of girlfriend who only does one thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that thing is tobacco.
[SPEAKER_10]: I suck on a cigarette.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, tobacco I do think is an interesting, I mean I think cigarette advertising really is like the the ultimate
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, the ultimate frontier of advertising because it's like you have 30 versions of the exact same thing right and and like what and what makes people buy one versus the other is strictly advertising because you have two identical things and one of us like well this one's for Cowboys this one's for sailors this one's for cool black guys and this one is for
[SPEAKER_10]: or maybe it's just a long way.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, like, and that's like pure advertising.
[SPEAKER_10]: There is nothing inherently about the product that suggests that's true.
[SPEAKER_10]: Any of those things, like all of that is a pure invention of advertising.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, and some people know, it, even at this point, people know it's not good for them.
[SPEAKER_16]: All right.
[SPEAKER_16]: So you're overcoming not only medical stuff, but like also your clothes smell bad, and like it's not something you need like food.
[SPEAKER_16]: So you could just not spend the money on it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, so I don't know, the idea that cigarette branding is like the bow ideal of advertising because it's all a construction is interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think like part of the reason this subplot
[SPEAKER_10]: is maybe less interesting like part of the subplot feels like an apology for putting so much smoking in a show like I feel like I feel like they were having like the madman writers were having second thoughts about like oh like I feel like they were getting pushback about how cool they made smoking look because boy the show really does make smoking look fucking cool and make it make a big drink it makes cool too
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it makes me want to drink and smoke like it's that kind of show and I feel like this like this episode feels like a bit of a man call for for that.
[SPEAKER_16]: What is his letter?
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, his letter and letter, I mean, I like what it represents, the letter where, I mean, the whole conversation with the Heinz guy, I think it's sort of establishing the fact that when you're doing advertising, you're sort of at the mercy of he's like completely like paranoid and insane people who are like just living to dick you around and, you know, obviously like Don hates that because his whole, his character's like entire character motivation is to like have
[SPEAKER_10]: control and, you know, he's at the mercy of all these people that are just like, you know, they're running them in circles.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I like that aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he does not get the, I mean, we find out later that they don't get the meeting with Philip Morris, but before that,
[SPEAKER_05]: He enters the lobby and on his way out of work, he sees Mitch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mitch, we know from mostly the first season of Mad Men, this was the first woman we ever see done with in the pilot.
[SPEAKER_05]: You see them together at the beginning of the episode, and then the big twist, it comes
[SPEAKER_05]: and you see Betty you go oh shit that was his side chick it must be the sixties this show is gonna be wild is this one man man man man
[SPEAKER_05]: You sure made up up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, Mitch is someone we haven't seen for a bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've kind of seen her be the original.
[SPEAKER_16]: The sister on the United States of Tara.
[SPEAKER_16]: I was just sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, Rosemary to it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, she, she had, uh, I think a nice solid character for this show for a while.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, she was in season one a bunch.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's the, this is, she was a counterculture representation, um, before they started getting counterculture people in the office, uh, on this show.
[SPEAKER_05]: So with her it was like this like 50s beat Nick Bohemian type lifestyle stuff and this show really decides to make a judgment call on all that by putting her back in as a hero and addict who's trying to grift dawn She goes she basically forces the issue by saying oh you gotta take me home.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even have my wallet
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, and she's pretending, of course, I find her, her, her attempt to griff the like somewhat, it's not, it's almost charming in how hamster it is like she doesn't she's not really committed to any part of it.
[SPEAKER_16]: She's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[SPEAKER_10]: I guess or I mean that speaks of the strength I think of the of the actress You can't even if you can't even play along with her husband cooking up some court on Yeah, she's like he's like guys He's delicious.
[SPEAKER_16]: We're push it Yeah, you want me to blow you
[SPEAKER_10]: actually doesn't work and advertising.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, it's the addiction makes you desperate and that's, and desperation makes you repellent.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, and so for those reasons, I think the, um, the storyline is good in general.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say I, my initial thought on it is like,
[SPEAKER_05]: deciding to make Mitch into a junkie artist who like, she an artist originally made for thing, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she was like, they didn't change that, but they made her, you know, get in with a bad crowd.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like this kind of like 60s, this thing that a lot of boomers and some gen Xs I think do when it comes to the 60s where they go like, you know, the 60s,
[SPEAKER_05]: a lot of people, you know, got addicted to drugs and they they talk about it, but they do it in this way where it's just like
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, unlike the room full of alcoholics, who all work in these office buildings, there's like, I felt a little bit of judgment.
[SPEAKER_05]: I could just be very sensitive to that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, I loved watching the new husband, Perry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Work his magic.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I like him.
[SPEAKER_05]: He shows
[SPEAKER_10]: He was going to get dawn to invest in his t-shirt business.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I don't even know if I'm, if I'm like, just, I need things to be too ham-fisted or what, but I was like, he's not giving junkie.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's giving like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they friend, like, I will, when I watch to this show the first time, I'm a very distinctly remember, um,
[SPEAKER_05]: being confused as to what was going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then as soon as he goes, oh, $10, I'm going to go make some cordon blue.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she goes, he's just going to shoot that into his arm.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, wait, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: They're junkies.
[SPEAKER_05]: They did it to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't telegraph it at all because number one, she keeps saying, oh, I'm so skinny now.
[SPEAKER_05]: She doesn't look that skinny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm not calling her flat.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying she didn't look like she was in active addiction.
[SPEAKER_16]: And he's clearly gone out and like,
[SPEAKER_16]: booze for Don, like it's not just like, we do whatever we can find, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean kids.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the fact that he would immediately, instead of doing like the long con, which is go make some fucking quarter blue and sell Don on fucking getting, midge job or something like that or buying some paintings.
[SPEAKER_10]: It just couldn't even wait for a check.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was confused, like he tries to write her a check.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's like, what am I going to do with that?
[SPEAKER_10]: And I'm like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: You could fucking write.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, would you show it and give it to somebody?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, what's that?
[SPEAKER_10]: Like, you heroin addicts not have bank accounts.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, women.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's what I'm thinking.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm thinking it's that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was wondering this exact thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, why, why?
[SPEAKER_05]: What is, why can't she use a check?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I was like, wait.
[SPEAKER_05]: could women just go into a bank with a check and people like it could they open their own bank accounts they may not have been I'm not sure because it seems like it's too much to just write over to to sign over to cash like that would have been about what?
[SPEAKER_16]: $3,000.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't think somebody would let me do that with a $3,000 check today.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I mean, you've not attached it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I get a bank.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, not at like a random play.
[SPEAKER_16]: If I wanted to a bank where I didn't have an account,
[SPEAKER_16]: And I had a check made out to me and I just signed it over to cash and signed it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think they might not.
[SPEAKER_16]: If it was a place where I had an account, yeah, they would.
[SPEAKER_16]: But at this time, I'm not sure that women that she would have had married women, if there has been a proved, I think could get bank accounts.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I don't know how long they had been, if that had happened, if they're just like junkies who got married for the bread.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Also, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like social safety now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you get me?
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought maybe present.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, just like I'm good.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, what are you?
[SPEAKER_16]: Also, from what I understood, from my time living in New York.
[SPEAKER_16]: Uh, yeah, but a lot more people give you cash there where you could make.
[SPEAKER_16]: They don't.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't feel like they're getting cash on the lips, but they're at a wedding that doesn't seem like they're in a couple.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great question.
[SPEAKER_05]: So women's bank accounts historically required a co-a-mail co-signer until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 70.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: 1965.
[SPEAKER_05]: 1974.
[SPEAKER_16]: Wow, a little better than my guess.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that's, uh, hey, listen.
[SPEAKER_16]: Uh, so this is where they tied people up and hung them on the wall, huh?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_05]: That's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's crazy that we're like a whole apartheid stayed up until the 80s.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, it's not like women where people are people.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what people are.
[SPEAKER_05]: Point.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a bit point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So she, uh, Idiot husband admits that she tracked them down.
[SPEAKER_05]: He calls her, uh, or she calls him an idiot twice, which is really funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's an idiot and then she's such an idiot.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I loved that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she describes heroin as, you know,
[SPEAKER_05]: drinking a hundred bottles of whiskey while someone's sucking your titties, which that's cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she says, uh, licking, licking, not sucking.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right, licking, licking.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's not she's not providing for someone.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's quite a pleasure.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no milk is coming.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, only milk on a poppy going in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and then she, uh, he asks why why don't you just quit and she says, it's heroin as if he's seen train spotting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I could.
[SPEAKER_16]: That feels like a big edit and like they had other stuff and in the room, they're like, let's just say it's heroin.
[SPEAKER_16]: Let's just say it's not what we need to explain.
[SPEAKER_16]: Let's cut this whole speech.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's kind of how I felt too and then yes, he takes the painting and says, you know, does it really matter what I think about it
[SPEAKER_05]: walks away and then after it's my work good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Does it really matter like that's how on the news.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, which I thought was I thought was great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like after after they don't get the meeting with Philip Morris and they call the guy from ER an asshole.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's heard it believe me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a bunch.
[SPEAKER_16]: A lot of people
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so not in the year.
[SPEAKER_16]: A couple seasons later.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, no one of the surgeons.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was a wild show.
[SPEAKER_16]: I knew I was sorry.
[SPEAKER_16]: Was Dr. Robby on the whole time?
[SPEAKER_05]: Was Dr. Robby on the whole time?
[SPEAKER_16]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_16]: He ends up, they have a big Africa storyline where he goes to Africa and works there for a while and then he meets a woman and eventually ends up leaving the hospital leaving America to go be with her there.
[SPEAKER_16]: I feel like it's okay to spoil things that are like 30 years old, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's that is how we live our lives as podcasters who do shows that are 20 years old.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, they don't get the meeting with Philip Morris.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete.
[SPEAKER_05]: has to now put in $50,000 to help keep the company afloat.
[SPEAKER_05]: He tells Trudy this and says, we can't buy a house because, you know, of all that, you know, money that we have to now spend and for bids him.
[SPEAKER_16]: They had to shell out for Rosemary to it and that's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: What's her name?
[SPEAKER_05]: Allison.
[SPEAKER_05]: Allison, what?
[SPEAKER_16]: Not Frank Bow, three, um, yeah, Allison Bree in this episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, they've got it, I don't think it was probably a breezy episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: We started having to go to California.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've got a free price.
[SPEAKER_05]: You show and then Dawn is freaking out.
[SPEAKER_05]: He comes home and he stares at the painting.
[SPEAKER_05]: And while he stares at me.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's looking at it like man.
[SPEAKER_05]: This painting sucks.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's like why is this painting, why does this make me feel so fucking grossed out?
[SPEAKER_16]: It's not about painting.
[SPEAKER_16]: I feel disgusting looking at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, why do I feel like shit?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then he's like, I have this idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to do a Jerry McWyer.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then he writes this letter and I will play.
[SPEAKER_16]: But what Jerry McWyer meant back then, it was totally different.
[SPEAKER_16]: It just meant writing a joke filled screen for the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different type.
[SPEAKER_17]: Why?
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm quitting tobacco.
[SPEAKER_17]: Our entire business depend on it.
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, it wasn't good for us, but we couldn't stop.
[SPEAKER_17]: And then, when Lucky Strike knew when Lucky Strike knew there was no business elsewhere, I realized, here was my chance to be someone who can sleep at night.
[SPEAKER_17]: Because I know what I'm selling doesn't kill my customers.
[SPEAKER_17]: So, as of today, Sterling Cooper Draper Price will no longer take tobacco accounts.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, Squirtieth!
[SPEAKER_05]: He goes scorch earth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Vince, your initial critique of this, when you were talking, and you're like, you know, it does a jury McGuire thing, and it's blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's why I like this thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like it because he shows up to the office the next day, as if he's going to get a jury McGuire reaction.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He like he walks in, head held high, like I just fucking crushed it once again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Donald Draper, Genius Mind, to the rescue.
[SPEAKER_05]: Saved the day.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was that old thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he gets in the office and everyone yells at him.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I thought that was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, OK, this is very good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I think usually the show, especially early on, I think what of this would have saved the day?
[SPEAKER_05]: It would have been another fucking, you know,
[SPEAKER_16]: Really?
[SPEAKER_16]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I feel like they're pretty good at being like, look how he thinks he's on his own.
[SPEAKER_16]: But there are other people in his life.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it was like, there was a formula a little bit more early on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so part of that formula was him having this like a piffy and then coming up with it and he said, yeah, everybody loves.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and in this case, he comes up with this idea that while you're watching it, you're like, oh, yeah, this is a good idea And then it does not work out at all literally birth quits and they think they're getting a call from Robert Kennedy and it ends up being a crank call, which I have of course.
[SPEAKER_12]: Is there a dawn driver?
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes, this is Bobby Kennedy.
[SPEAKER_12]: Now are you with this lovely morning?
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm well.
[SPEAKER_17]: Thank you, Senator.
[SPEAKER_12]: Bobby, please.
[SPEAKER_12]: Listen.
[SPEAKER_12]: I just wanted to say that I admire your fortitude in Viga.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's standing up to what I consider to be one of the great vettices to this civilization as we know it.
[SPEAKER_17]: That's very flattering.
[SPEAKER_12]: I have one question.
[SPEAKER_12]: Does your company represent sea core laxatives?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, yes we do.
[SPEAKER_12]: Well, you're going to be riding anything against them because I want to make it clear.
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[SPEAKER_16]: his son with adult shake and babysitter.
[SPEAKER_18]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_18]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: What I loved about that scene, too, was Don Draper believes it for, like, a minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's, he's, like, truly so egotistical.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's so, like, stuck in his own, like, I'm a genius, you know, type of way.
[SPEAKER_05]: he believes that it is absolutely with him the realm of possibility that the fucking, you know, what is he was like a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term or a term
[SPEAKER_16]: No, he was on top without B.J.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I think that like it's really funny that he would totally believe that RFK would call him.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a great joke.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Bert immediately quits after that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have that clip as well just because I love the way he quits.
[SPEAKER_11]: He says, I never thought you had the stomach for a partnership.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm no longer a pack of this thing, you know?
[SPEAKER_11]: You there, get my shoes.
[SPEAKER_11]: Bert, come down, I will not.
[SPEAKER_11]: We've created a monster.
[SPEAKER_16]: He just patting around in his socks all day.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what he does.
[SPEAKER_05]: He literally is like, what is he, a germaphob or something?
[SPEAKER_05]: And he doesn't like wearing shoes.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's also, he's a weeb.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, everything with him is like Japanese culture.
[SPEAKER_05]: And like, you know, he has like,
[SPEAKER_05]: He has hand-type horn in his office, like an octopus and a woman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a woman and getting fucked by an octopus, like, that's his thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: But him saying, get my shoes, I'm done with this place.
[SPEAKER_05]: Get my shoes.
[SPEAKER_16]: To me, when you replayed that, just listening to John Hamm, it's like, this is a fun opportunity to visit when John Hamm was good.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_16]: Like I see Montivier and I'm like, oh, buddy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I haven't watched that show where he's like stealing people like it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_16]: I couldn't get into it.
[SPEAKER_16]: But when he was on Fargo, oh, oh, I didn't watch that season.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was on his, is this the most recent, was that that?
[SPEAKER_05]: I believe so.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think that's an issue with Fargo more than it's an issue with you.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: I like all the other episode of the season.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, most of the, I hadn't been like, I'm embarrassed for this performance.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't watch the Chris Rock season.
[SPEAKER_05]: I heard that was bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it does not work out the way he wants it to.
[SPEAKER_05]: And instead, they have to fire half the office.
[SPEAKER_05]: The one thing that they get is a call from the American Cancer Society.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, saying that they want to work on like a PSA.
[SPEAKER_16]: But that's more than the day before.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true, and I got them some work that they didn't have.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do like that, but I also think it's really, really funny that the episode ends after the letter was them having to fire at the office.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's incredible, um, and Dr.
[SPEAKER_16]: Being nothing wins all the time, of course.
[SPEAKER_16]: They've grown too big too fast.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just, uh, you know, I like them doing a old switcher ruin us.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought, you know, watching this the first time I thought, like, uh, Don Draper, he always figures out a way to save it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if he doesn't, it's because someone else fucked up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in this case, it was like, no, this is a really stupid idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now everyone's like, wow, you really are going under aren't you, uh, and Megan even compliments it in the funniest way.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's like, oh, no, I really like what you did there.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, the, you know, you didn't dump me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I dumped you.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know the like I don't need my teddy bear to go to sleep now and mommy I'm a big girl It was cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know the way it's it was childish, you know, and petty and female and female It was there.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was so feminine.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_16]: There you pretended to not lose
[SPEAKER_05]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that storyline and just to wrap up the show.
[SPEAKER_05]: The rest of it is Sally and Betty's relationship and then, you know, everything that's going on is very good.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah, the story line with the women at it, that's so boring.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, of course Vince finds it boring.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's from Fresno.
[SPEAKER_05]: Amy Peggy, Peggy was, yeah, I want to see.
[SPEAKER_16]: Hey, fun fact.
[SPEAKER_16]: Can I tell a real quick fun fact?
[SPEAKER_15]: Of course you can.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's about me when I worked it funny or die one day for some reason This is not gonna make sense, but we had a big ice cream party for Norm McDonald coming in And everybody got in the big room the lobby and we're all having our ice cream and he kind of going around being like, ha, and you're in here
[SPEAKER_16]: And I was one of the only women who worked there, the only female writer.
[SPEAKER_16]: And so he looks at me and he's like, so what do you like?
[SPEAKER_16]: The ear like that, the Peggy Olsen.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is my great Normic dance.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I was like, uh, yeah, but like later season Peggy Olsen, when she like knows her worth, you know?
[SPEAKER_16]: And he was like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's my Normic dance.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what's so crazy about that is,
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you're always funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is saying that, like it doesn't really work.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you literally are the only female writer in the room.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, isn't that not insulting?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, Normicdon, I'll tell you a bit of a well-known blind spot.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that was a message.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But man, talk about like, that is, that's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: That really doesn't work, Norm.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just really funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, what are you like, the baggy holes?
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know how, back in the day.
[SPEAKER_16]: you must feel like lonely and weird all the time right and like under appreciated, but also a little hated, yeah, I'm joking, of course, you know everything's fine now, that's why you're here, yeah, I know of your many friends.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Sally, I disagree with the events completely, I love the storyline, I like it.
[SPEAKER_05]: For many reasons, one of the reasons is I like the way that Sally is mostly taking advice from Glenn.
[SPEAKER_05]: Glenn says to her, like,
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, who's, you know, who's helped you more?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, did she tell you to kiss your mom's ass?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, then who's smarter?
[SPEAKER_05]: Me or her?
[SPEAKER_05]: And you find out that, you know, at the beginning of the episode, uh, in the storyline, you see Sally saying, why don't I eat with you in Henry?
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, kind of offering like an olive branch and and Betty is like smiling.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's happy about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is so great.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is literally just cleanse advice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like just kiss her ass.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just do everything you can.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to seem like a goody two shoes when really you're sneaking off and hanging out with me.
[SPEAKER_05]: a bad boy.
[SPEAKER_16]: I like seeing the classic autistic kid from autistic family, autistic little girl from autistic family hanging out with meathead boy who understands social nuances, but doesn't even kind of know he does as someone who lived it, you know?
[SPEAKER_16]: It's fun to see myself represent it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think the problem I have with this storyline is that it feels like it feels like a prop for a character turn for Betty and I and I just know that the show stopped caring about Betty like a season ago and has nothing to do with her so it's sort of just like I know it's not going to go anywhere because it like everything that's all in in hindsight I feel like it feels like a set up for something that Betty is going to do and I just know it's not going to go anywhere interesting I guess.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, she just, she reminds me a lot of my mom.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's, I like, ready the character.
[SPEAKER_10]: I just feel like, I just feel like there was a clear point where this show sort of stopped caring about her.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then it's like, every once in a while, it's like, it's trying to get us to care about her again, but I'm like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Just let it go, man.
[SPEAKER_10]: You said you dropped this a while ago.
[SPEAKER_16]: Also in a way, it's kind of like it's about it's a show about the workplace right I guess it's a show about Don but it's it's a show about the workplace the madman right like you don't need to keep her in the show.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, let her let her leave another me show someplace Let her Henry like go live and ride and be happy.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, my sister lived and ride for a while when she was married to a multimillionaire Oh, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah, lives and ride don't draper.
[SPEAKER_16]: Hey Yeah, she was 27 he was 52 making old fashions
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then there's also the bread that's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: And then there's my sense of humor.
[SPEAKER_16]: And there is the playland that's accurate right playland.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what I enjoyed about this was one scene in particular that I think sells the whole thing, which is
[SPEAKER_05]: After Sally and Edna are having this cute conversation and which, you know, Edna is like, you know, you're doing really well.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like playing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what they're playing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Go fish some some card game.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's clear that Sally is doing better.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mostly what she's doing is not pissing off her mom.
[SPEAKER_05]: And like, Dr. Edna's advice is essentially like, you just got a not act on your angry feelings.
[SPEAKER_05]: Your mom is going to make you angry and you need to not act on them because that's, you know, that's your mom's fault.
[SPEAKER_05]: She kind of crazy, which I think is fair advice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so she's saying, you know, hey, I don't think you need to see me as frequently.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when Betty, when Dr. Adnes says that to Betty, Betty has an entire freak out that is just so funny to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's that scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'd like to reduce her sessions to once a week and see where we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her life is chaotic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm afraid of losing the influence.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've noticed that every time you come in here, you have many things that you're mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a very talented colleague, Dr. Evelyn Shapiro, whom I can recommend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't I talk to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can talk to me, but you know, I'm a child's psychiatrist.
[SPEAKER_16]: I wish they had revealed her that and she was an actual child.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do something very similar.
[SPEAKER_05]: They actually do something close to that joke.
[SPEAKER_05]: What they do is, she says, well, of course you can talk to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Betty, and right at that moment, they changed the shot so that it's a little bit more zoomed out.
[SPEAKER_05]: and when she says i'm a child psychiatrist you it reveals in the background is a stuffed bear and a bunny having a tea party like it's such a funny moment to me because Betty you know they then they say this a lot on the show essentially where they imply it
[SPEAKER_05]: She's kind of got the mind of a child.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, she's literally arrested.
[SPEAKER_05]: She is very emotionally arrested.
[SPEAKER_05]: She is a pretty princess who feels wronged.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of what they've done with her.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she's got severe emotional problems and it kind of makes for an interesting character.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just love her being like, I really am enjoying this child's subconscious.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, why does this feel so right for me?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's a line of the episode, for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is so fucking funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then the rest of this is, finally, Glenn is caught.
[SPEAKER_05]: Glenn and Sally are caught by Betty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Glenn runs away in the funniest way possible.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he just like books it and then he stops and does a thing when you're so tired to put your hands on your knees and you're just incredibly funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Betty suggests that they move and Sally runs away crying and is clutching the lanyard that Glenn gave her in the previous season.
[SPEAKER_16]: Her own world, her only little own world.
[SPEAKER_16]: I know, it's really the friendship with this kid.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's really sad and heartbreaking and you do feel like Betty is turning into an evil stepmother, even though she's mother mother.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's just mother, but she's just evil mother.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, she's just being a protective mother with only the emotional widths of a child.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like keep her in a box under the bed and then she'll save.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's the episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: If I had to give this episode a letter grade, I think I'd give it a B plus.
[SPEAKER_05]: What would you give this episode?
[SPEAKER_05]: If you had to give it a letter grade wins?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, definitely top end of B.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yes, B plus.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eliza Skinner, what would you give this episode if you had to give it a letter grade?
[SPEAKER_16]: Uh, I mean, I would probably say like a B plus plus one.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, the price is right, uh, B plus that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So then that gives this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me do my calculations real quick.
[SPEAKER_05]: B, B, B, B, B, B, B, A solid B plus episode of Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know what, us all at A plus plus plus episode plus one of Mad Yourself a man, Eliza Skinner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much for coming on and talking Mad Men with us.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure, thank you for having me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where can people find you?
[SPEAKER_05]: Find your work and follow you.
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, I'm on Instagram at at eSkins and you can find links to everything else through that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, check that out and we will put that of course in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, Eliza Pleasure's talking with you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for coming on.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, likewise.
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