[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Jamie See Show, a soft place to land for visionaries, the feelers, the heart led leaders, rewriting the rules of business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jamie See author, educator, and eight figure founder whose work blends nervous system science subconscious rewiring and story driven strategy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know that your work is meant to reach more people, if you crave a business that feels as good in your body as it looks on paper, you are in the right place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go way beyond formulas and we go into the felt.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Reimagined through softness, strategy, and soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's begin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone has that feeling where they have that like calling inside, that like higher calling or their souls like knock knock like you need to go pursue this and do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I first started posting on Instagram, I didn't grow very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't even posting about spirituality.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it finally clicked and I allowed myself to like fully be seen, I grew so fast because I was so locked in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt so fulfilling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like when you finally pursue what your souls been telling you to just feels
[SPEAKER_01]: alignment after alignment after alignment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, welcome to the Jamie Seashow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am so excited today.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have one of the most magical joyful incredible humans I was daily.
[SPEAKER_02]: I originally actually found her on Tiktok and then she was just the most magical human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we slid me to others DMs and now she's telling her story of how to be brave, how to follow your joy, how to be able to regulate to visibility and to be able to do the things that sometimes feel a little scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: but are bigger than you and are meant to be seen by the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I have to tell you the story of actually how I found it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I feel like it was this one of the divine intricacies, which I think it's like the when you decide you're ready to feel different or feel inspired.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, just like the right people come into your world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember seeing one of your videos and I sent it to some of my friends and I was like, this girl, there's just something about her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just is so vibrant and so grounded and so incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just love her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love her energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember some of my friends being like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling someday you're gonna meet her and it's just gonna, and I was like, oh, okay, well, that'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, it's just you know exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then somehow, I don't even remember, did we slide to each other's DMs at one point?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw, I saw your content, and I was like, this is really helping me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I clicked on your profile, I said, follow back, and I was like, okay, follow back, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did it, so I hit, follow back, and I think,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't remember if I DM'd you first of you DM's me, but it was something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love you back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I remember as someone who has spent so much time doing a lot of the inner work and a lot of I think just kind of walking around, knowing I'm very much in tune to energy and intuitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like being able to see someone else and
[SPEAKER_02]: that is just kind of living in their goodness and living in their fullness and like being truly them is so inspiring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I remember right after we talked in the DMs, I've always been in my friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling we are going to meet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I don't know when, but I think it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: but so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for telling me that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes me so happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, then we see each other a person where we're in the same shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, same shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the same height.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same height.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can be for my you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I have to know a little bit more of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I remember when I started following you on TikTok,
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were really the type of person who, again, like I mentioned before, really inspiring, just to feel like she's just so fully in her own energy and she's so vibrant and you can just can't help but be happy with watching your videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you talking about energy and you talking about all these incredible things and you being so vibrant, I really want to know how you started sharing content, how you started
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, this is just something I'm gonna do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna vibe with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, that's actually funny because you tell me that story is like not too far off from how I found you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean the last few years I've been going on my money journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: And every time I need something, the universe is like, listen to Jamie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here she is.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna say about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's, that's like a very mirrored experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with getting into TikTok, I was really young.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even have social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me and my partner at the time, where we did this bet of like, who's gonna go longer with no social media and it ended up being like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we did no social media during the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had just finished hypnotherapy school.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't feel aligned doing one-on-ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also like 20, so I'm like, in my little business suit, that's like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm at this clinic office and the way it worked was like, there was somebody that would come to the front and be like, Iris is ready to see you now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, which I was just like a baby as I can't do this but I had so much knowledge and I've always kind of been into spirituality But I really had my awakening at 18 maybe like a year or two prior and then obviously that clinic closed during the pandemic and I just got this like overwhelming urge inside that was like
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you just post?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that bet you did good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can, you can you guys did good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt really cold to post and it's kind of like, the feeling I had with music too, and I'm sure that you've had a billion times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone has that feeling where they have that like calling inside that like higher calling or their souls like knock knock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you need to go pursue this and do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I first started posting on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't grow very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't even posting about spirituality.
[SPEAKER_01]: allowed myself to fully be seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was so fast because I was so locked in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had this goal and I was like, okay, universe, like, what do you want me to say?
[SPEAKER_01]: And what do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, how can I help as many people as possible and I had this white board and it was like, I am going to be a positive influence two millions of women and that was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: what I had on my whiteboard for so long and it was just kind of like sitting there like as that affirmation just like in the back and I grew you know incrementally but it happened so rapidly and it just was like something that kind of like shoved me to do it and then felt so fulfilling it's kind of like when you finally pursue what your soul's been telling YouTube just feels alignment after alignment after alignment and
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you with human design, I had that thing with astrology.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were like, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all this information like downloaded in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, at first, I thought astrology was so silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I had that perspective of like, horoscopes and things where I didn't think it was legit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, all this information started coming in all the time to post about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it was kind of like you make that decision to follow your calling and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: you just allow yourself to channel in the information that is like meant to be shared through you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's incredible to understand the fact that you're like, I'm ready to put myself out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to do the thing and then allowing yourself to, hey, this is what I want to talk about and allowing yourself to channel it through, but also I'm really curious about
[SPEAKER_02]: When the expansions start to happen, because obviously I see this all the time with my clients who are posting online, I work with, I think like close to 95% women and yeah, they're all kind of like hell, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
[SPEAKER_02]: such a human experience and there's so many layers to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as you're navigating, all of this expansion, you said it happened incrementally, but then it happened quickly, like it kind of just in such and just like boom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And was there any experience that you had during it where you felt there was any restriction or where you had to kind of like re-center yourself or get back into it, because I can imagine being a human, because that's
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that like for you?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the perfect question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like one the power of incremental increase like maybe steps is just like that is the number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's the way to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's we've accomplished everything, but I had this experience every night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would journal and I would write like, okay, I'm going to be at I started with 1000 followers and it was 5,000 was 10 and then I just continued incrementally and then when I was at 300,000
[SPEAKER_01]: I woke up one morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that classic you call something in like it's like another example is like you call in this new job and then you get fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm at 300,000 and I'm about to hit this like 400,000 feels big.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wake up in the morning and I have this.
[SPEAKER_01]: like flood of notifications and they're so mean like they're like little boys like 14 15-year-old boys that are flooding my comment section that are like making fun of spirituality and like just like me like crazy comments and I think when you're visible you have to like become turbo with equally negative eyes that you are positive like duality of call anything yeah thousand percent exactly you have to be that was the lesson so I'll get
[SPEAKER_01]: I had all these comments I were like so negative and I'm like, okay, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a couple of texts from people, a comedian had like stitched one of my videos and made fun of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was 17 million views.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the most views on this guy's profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like love his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd been like watching his girlfriend's YouTube videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't actually offended.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: He posted me, like, I didn't get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: What context is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just all the comments really like shocked me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that amount of comments really like shook me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was on this thing where I was posting every single day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was kind of like just my rhythm at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I would do was like get ready to post.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would open my channel to create something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would edit it and that would post it that night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the first time in the whole process that I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, like I really don't want to post like I really don't want to post because it's going to get flooded comments and then All of my videos were flooded with these like mean comments and it's a silly cuz it doesn't actually Matter, it was just like the it was like a hundred thousand mean comments and I was like, okay This is really a lot on my on my nervous system.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lot on like
[SPEAKER_01]: Processing all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like sobbing like I took a three week hiatus from posting like took me actually a minute to like really kind of work my way through an integrator and I I did the work around and I actually let myself cry it out and feel out what was going on and it's just like one of those things where if you call something and you have to accept the duality of you have to accept the negative side of it to through
[SPEAKER_01]: releasing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had, you know, some things come up from middle school.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made me feel the same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt in middle school and some situations or you know those little things that pop up when you're manifesting something and then the nervous gives you that perfect opportunity to clear clear it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that really was like a divine alignment even though it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little hard on me at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if it is, it's really, it's, that's a lot of visibility.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot for your nervous system.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just so proud of you for being able to kind of witness it and navigate it and then say, hey, I am going to fully allow myself to experience what I need to experience to clear out anything that it's bringing up from.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think a lot of times what ends up happening is so many people have these really beautiful divine dreams and goals and desires.
[SPEAKER_02]: actually afraid of that very happening and that they're not going to be able to handle and that's the fear so they don't ever start or they start and then they stop or they pull back and they don't really truly understand how to build safety incrementally in their body and I think that you were doing that all along with your consistency and allowing the channeling just to come through and then
[SPEAKER_02]: when it actually did happen because that was a lot of visibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, also like, really fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really young and just, it's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're validating that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, of course, it's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it personally, not to the degree of, you know, having like the 17 million on the other person's account, especially someone you knew, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a lot to be said around how you handled it, what you allowed yourself to navigate, and then to be able to be like, okay, I'm just going to keep going, but I'm going to give myself this face in time that I need.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of people would have just stopped, but you didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: My name is really incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't talk about that often.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would say that anyone that probably has that amount of followers, that amount of visibility, that amount of shareable content too, and especially those who are clearly channeling something that is divine, it is going to, I always like to say, a kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: taps into the darkness of some others and not, and I'm not saying it in a negative way it's like every shabby.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does and it allows for them to either witness that part of themselves and or project.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and I think the stronger you have an annoying of who you are and your integrity and your values and how happy it makes you to do the things that you love.
[SPEAKER_02]: the more stabilizing it can feel when that happens because it's like that's not me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make that's not who I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you think I am as long as I know who I am that I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it takes time to develop that part of yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you wouldn't be able to if you weren't doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wouldn't be able to go through and build that thick skin if I wasn't getting negative comments every now and then to like kind of practice with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I mean, if somebody called me dumb, I'd be like, they don't know me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody were to like actually say something I was insecure about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were like,
[SPEAKER_01]: She has weird shape knees.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have weird shape knees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody noticed that, I'd be like, hey, I know, and that would hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it also kind of gives you this mirror of like, maybe, you know, that's something you need to love yourself on a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: So every single time I get like,
[SPEAKER_01]: something like that happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always such a nice opportunity to actually just I mean, it doesn't feel nice at the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice at the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is such a good opportunity to be like, okay, like that's something that I can just figure out what's going on on a deeper level and clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't get the positive if you don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a duality to everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always light and dark, and there's always going to be those experiences, especially when you're allowing yourself to be fully visible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to my oldest daughter, and we know, obviously, she's going to be 13 soon, and her friends are going to be getting social media and all the things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been very, very intentional about teaching her more about the subconscious, about the nervous system, about the projections of other people, and how to navigate that, and what comments mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: and how to actually facilitate your own understanding of yourself, as you are taking in a lot of this, because who's teaching you, if I don't teach her.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to teach her?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one thing, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing that I had said to her, is that any time that someone says something about you,
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I talked to her about the whole projection thing, if that's basically anything that anyone is saying to you is Really something that they're saying about themselves Yeah, right anytime the judging you is really something within themselves and then she had said Okay, well, what if it would if it hurts a lot and I'm like that's okay, you know But one thing that you want to remember is that anytime it hurts, it's an opportunity to say like what part of that do I believe Hmm, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So good right when someone's like, hey
[SPEAKER_02]: You have me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey look at those little girls knees.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
[SPEAKER_02]: to tap into what you actually want to do and giving yourself permission to do the things that you love.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you do that, it's usually very magical but it's very difficult because I think in even in my own experience of having the two businesses that on the outside everyone's like, oh my gosh, you have everything, how could you possibly,
[SPEAKER_02]: want to do something else or put that away or work from home or how do you know it's going to work and it's like I just know that I don't want to do this anymore and that this makes me happy and when I'm lit up about something it's really incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that for me personally it's been a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: being okay, that it doesn't make sense to anyone else, and only has to make sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you are showing up, you're doing all of your incredible, you know, spiritual content, and then I remember actually the first time you start talking about your music.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember vividly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, she's music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm music, because obviously my husband's a musician and I grew up, my mom was a singer and my dad plays the bass and my brother was a drummer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so there's a lot of music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a musician, but there's a lot of music in the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, what did it feel like to be able to first off be like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna introduce this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna start talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it was so scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it was so scary I don't even actually know what the feedback is still so like even hearing that from you and being excited I'm like oh my god, it was thrilled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was like I was so excited because here's the thing is like when you see someone who is
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I, as an intuitive person, I feel like all are very intuitive, but I think eventually become very tapped in in very tuned in to like, I can tell when someone is not telling the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell when there's, they're holding back or they're not real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's they're performative or it's like, there was never an ounce of that with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the second you start talking about music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's another side of her that I didn't know, and you could tell it made you so happy too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so for me on my end, like, I always wanted to be a singer.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like, always what I wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: First co-herent thought, I told you that's already, you know, pre-podcast, but I'm gonna repeat it for anyone who's listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my first like go here and thought is like I would be a singer so now that I am at this age and doing it I had such a journey with like allowing myself to do it really that was totally projected on to my audience before I got comfortable with identifying as it because I grew up
[SPEAKER_01]: One in Idaho where it's like, it's not successful to do anything other than really go to a four-year institution and like, live this like nothing wrong with adult, but I do like, I know I'm laughing because it's literally like, I'm like, I remember, right, did you do something and they were like, that's not what smart women do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I can get you a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you have to go to college.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not like to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a no for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm getting an entire body, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's so much programming around it that I had to like,
[SPEAKER_01]: go around and there's also something with music it's like you say you want to do music and everyone like assumes you want to be like a pop star yeah and like I actually cool but I really just like love singing and I just want to like share my creations like with the world there's so many different things about it that were hard to navigate especially because I didn't feel so certain and confident in myself first and the more I get confident through experience and time the more it feels better it was terrifying at first to
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think was coming up for you like if you could think about like when you were thinking about sharing something because I think this is just true for so many people whether they're pivoting whether they're sharing their offers for the first time or sharing their gifts for the first time or really putting themselves out there there's this moment of
[SPEAKER_02]: you need to own it first and doing it scared and doing it, like, I don't think it's like, like, do it weird, do it messy, just, just do it, do it, make the move because you only go around once you might as well do what makes you happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, for their thoughts coming up of like, what are other people going to think about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that going to ruin how I feel about it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I have the thoughts, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of, as thoughts are like, kind of dependent on your own frequency.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would shift all the times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm such a,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna do it, and then I'm like, oh, so I'm gonna go grocery store it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I'm just because I have all of those waves, I would have thoughts of like, okay, you're just another TikToker that is doing music, which is like, so the route that so many people that have like done TikTok did, but I never did TikTok like most people did, like I've never like danced on TikTok or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like no shame, I would love to, that was, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
[SPEAKER_00]: No judgment or shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you later, my milk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, just don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I was worried that I would come off as somebody that just wanted to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was worried.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a couple wounds of like not being believed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it was that a yucky wound too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's a big go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was literally, that was a big one for me that I was like, why don't you believe me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it comes up a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a big one that I had to work through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a big one for me for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not being a big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not being a big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It impacts a lot of things too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like give a conversation with somebody and you can feel a thing like, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Believe me, but they don't really do a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember I had one time someone was like, do me, I do believe you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I could feel my entire body just like, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had just had to get to a place where I was like, you know what, it's okay if you don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that took a lot of time together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of experiences where people just,
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to be okay with them not knowing totally my side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also with sharing what we do, it's not fully normalized to talk about a lot, I mean, I talked about like spiritual, like I talked about like past lives and like we're doing my people are like about on that all day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and And to talk about things like that is also it's not normalized and a lot of people don't believe what we're experts in so like that it's a common wound for people that talk about spirituality because like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of part of the nature of what we're bringing to the collective right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is like a common wound I found with people who share about what we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I had that belief that would pop up like what people don't believe me that I really love music.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then internally, which is another wound that a lot of people who share their gifts, especially like anybody who is intuitive, have also had the past lives of us like,
[SPEAKER_01]: literally being killed for our gifts and past lives and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and people thought like the witch wound for me, I know it's just like feeling safe to share my gifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as my gifts evolve, it's like I have to like feel safe in each gift every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is common for, I mean, I think that's like something that everybody has to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure you have the exact same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, a thousand percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like anytime, I think for for me personally speaking of human design, we had mentioned that before, being a five one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any one line ones in human design, the thought process of not knowing enough or feeling like an imposter comes up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: of being like, oh, do I know enough to share this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't want to be called out, especially as five ones, because there's that projection of like other people's expectations.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many layers to sharing your gifts is like, do I believe in it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I okay if someone else sees me different?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it okay if I feel like I don't know enough or if I'm called out on something or
[SPEAKER_02]: how am I going to be able to hold myself during that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like, oh, I can accept it myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, and I'm going to put it out there for thousands of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how are we going to vibe with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think with music for you and just so you know, like when I saw it, I was like this girl is like just angelic, incredible, magnetic vibrant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think seeing
[SPEAKER_02]: Women choose to go in the direction of their joy, just always sits right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting to be able to witness it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much for you, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You show up as such a embodied person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, how we're kind of all the embodiment of something very specific, too, and what you share, like so much of what I've needed the past through this journey, has been exactly what you share.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even specifically, the knowledge and...
[SPEAKER_01]: things that you channel have been what I've been asking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's funny that you said that thing in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Word for Word of how your content has showed up for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always like the when the student is right at the teacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew you were going to say that yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just it's it's a gentle nudge or reminder of your power or reminder of your gifts or the education and or
[SPEAKER_02]: Even just like if it's an activation or something that's just like lights you up or gives you the permission to move forward and do the thing and I would love to know I always like to say like Harry Potter magic wand vibes right and I do this with my clients a lot where I'm like hey if you couldn't get it wrong if it all worked out if no one's feeling Scott her if it all just worked in the most incredible way possible what would it look like for you in your music career.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry Potter magic wand, take it go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harry Potter magic wand first, I would live in a place outside of L.A. but it could make music in L.A. where I just live when I have my own farm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I am at peace in a quiet place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get to make music all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then occasionally, throughout the year, I go and perform large festivals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get to, like, that's what I want to do as I want to like, there's some artists that will literally like do a festival tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to do like a festival tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I feel called to do is like have these shows that are Channeling energy and like, you're been with show and felt drained or horrible afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna do the opposite of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I just like like- Yeah, I just want to like, sharing music is one of the most spiritual magical experiences.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is like, it can be energy harvesting or it can be so empowering and it can be so full of light.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I would love to just like channel energy for a mass group of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just like be in total joy and like help people feel total joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, I've had that amazing experience at a concert so many times, right, a show, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: A festival, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's the best feeling I love live music too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of my favorite things and on on the planet music is so Transformative.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so healing it just like activates every little cell I was just about to say it can activate different frequencies in a thousand percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean also I think like the perfect examples like you listen to like
[SPEAKER_01]: What was I made for that the Barbie song by Billie Eilish like have you seen the videos where it's like it's like literally like the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and babies are like Like crying because the activation of it is like sadists Which is also important in art to like have the whole spectrum of emotions tell people That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so I've like said this before would you say that it's a mantra?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Comment just comment phrase
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like a, it's something that just comes up a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you like, I say it all the time, but like music is the closest thing we have to magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just activates something very specific that it's like you literally can't hold music.
[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot, there's no tangible form of music.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is literally like a wave that comes in and changes every part of you and can stay with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're like dementia patients where they can still play the piano and they can still
[SPEAKER_01]: So so spiritual.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's something for even for emotional processing as well when you you had said like the full range of emotion like sometimes it's like There's this this kind of pent up emotion or something you can't really articulate, but you put music on and it allows you to fully process right it's done without you really having
[SPEAKER_02]: to do anything, but receive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really know nothing about music production.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know nothing about the process of creating an album or putting things out there as it relates to the whole fundamental process of delivering music to the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll make music.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how music become?
[SPEAKER_01]: What the music you tell do you tell you tell you I tell you how does it all we're Which is a valid question because me also at the beginning of my music you're just like we don't I think it really depends on like what you're trying to do for me I am a singer that also produces a little like I'll make the first part of my song
[SPEAKER_01]: I have, like, Ableton is a software where you can record in your own guitar or, like, program in drums.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'll do bare minimum.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you're gonna relate to this in your own way of the way you create, but I find, like, creating is, like, sneezing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll have, like, so many emotions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, I have to, like, get these out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I don't get them out, I'm gonna freak out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get it sinus infection.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will, like, turn it into a song or poetry or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just has to become something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like the feeling of having to sneeze, so I'll have to release it and then it's like it's own form of channeling and then from there it's kind of called a demo where like all like make it into something that I can show somebody but it needs to be polished.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a rough draft and then I'll take that rough draft to my producer, full-mo shout out full-mo, love you, love you Alex, so I'll take that to my producer.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Hill polish it will like work on it together and together we create it polished.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what's really happened with the album that is coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, he is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's been happening for like three years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have like so many stockpiled songs that I pulled up to like kind of describe the albums about the journey that I've been on since TikTok and all the things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a question that just came in like a strict download.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, do you need to either ask her this?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about sharing your album with more people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how does that feel about all that's such a good question?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, it's like, you know, you post for millions of people on TikTok for five years, but then you start posting, you put out a song and suddenly you're a baby again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm doing the whole process over again, but it feels more intense.
[SPEAKER_01]: because music is so vulnerable, it's felt like what I did to get through my visibility wounds but on crack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, whoa, I already did this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already learned this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I doing this?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a whole journey in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so interesting what has come up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I put out my first song.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, I have these issues with my health.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't promote and I have these issues with my health.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I get that unlocked, or I go through that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I put out my second song, all of a sudden something happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another thing happens, something crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this year, I'm putting music out an August and I'm really, really ever since then, I just like, okay, I need to sit, I need to figure out how to get myself
[SPEAKER_01]: To be the best parent to my baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how can I be the most like Prepared and the most like locked in to like okay, I know this could happen this could happen I learned from this and I learned from this how can I just as much as possible It's gonna come up through the process, but like really let myself not self sabotage like self sabotage has been like
[SPEAKER_01]: So crazy, so crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since putting out music, because with, I mean TikTok, I could be like, okay, I'm only gonna have 5,000 followers.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's incremental increase.
[SPEAKER_01]: With music, it's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't incremental increase in that same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything's kind of come on like all at once.
[SPEAKER_02]: My human design projector wants to give a solution, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want it, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well first and foremost, so valid, so normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: How good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that you're aware of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that you are cognizant of the fact that it feels very important to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a reframe that I, because I had this visual while you were talking of all of these people listening to it and this emotional experience that they were having and like that was the intent all along was for
[SPEAKER_02]: your music to do something for the collective and that you are the facilitator of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you get a visual of like who's listening to it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not always.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even when I picture my audience, I kind of see this like like white like non-gendered like soul thing and like a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not quite but I do all my audience is really like they're all a lot of like girls like just like me like I have like I literally like all there's like I just they're all like me Yeah, I saw I saw it all in my brain of like you know because I was telling you before And no one else knows this but I was telling you before how I see pictures over here Oh, right, so like a little like little use yes, and I'll run into like somebody that's like oh, I watch your content and I'm like you're me though
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like the best, I mean it's like we met and we're like the same height and wearing the same shoes and we're just like so I know Like I didn't have more of these shoes in front of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wearing these today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, I know I definitely imagined that it was you are the it's bigger than you Like your body is coming through you to create movement and healing in others.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and with that being said
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to encourage you to share more behind the scenes of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is even something that I talk about with being able to kind of regulate to the process because you experience putting the song out and then it's kind of like retraction.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you shared incrementally behind the scenes, what you're creating, why are you creating your story behind it?
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been just talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it starts to kind of neutralize the energy a bit and familiarizes it to your people into your body.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can
[SPEAKER_02]: have it as this process of like it's not just something I'm creating but something I get to create and share incrementally until it's all out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't mean you have to share every song, but talking about it more sharing about it, the reasons why you create certain things, like why you're creative process behind things or playing the piano or just I don't I just get like this kind of incremental sharing process and being with your community while you do it so that you can co-regulate because I think there's a
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should do this really.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some say I should.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, what you said in the beginning of that to is actually the download that I get over and over and over again and with all your vertical placements.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the first time I got the download was on March 7th, like two years ago, Newman and Virgo, I was still going through music school, and it was so wrapped up and like, oh, but what if I post a song and nobody listens to it and, and worrying about silly stuff like that or like Spotify such a numbers game where people are like, when you listen to this do you get?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the download I got was like, that's not why you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I don't know what it's going to do, yeah, no it's bigger than you and that's why sometimes like when there's something that's of importance to you Like for like the work that I do in the work that you do They're different mediums, but the by-product and the sensation of someone experiencing it is the same whether it's Transformation whether it's healing whether it's empowerment whether it's to see themselves differently or to see Opportunity or life differently and there's an essence of healing otherwise it the gift wouldn't be coming
[SPEAKER_02]: to you and through you, and you had even said like the music is channeling through me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always like to say it's like it's bigger than us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But your body needs to co-regulate.
[SPEAKER_02]: During the process.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you really excited to be able to do that, just like how you felt when you were sharing your spiritual content, I want to ask you if you could connect to the future version of yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Album is out.
[SPEAKER_02]: channel her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll almost out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's radiating positivity.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is she talking to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is she saying to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is she asking you to do less of?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is she asking you to do more of?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is something that she needs to tell you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I always tell myself to like it's inevitable when you have something in your heart your heart's desire leads you to do something and especially when it's of service it's inevitable and so I think that's just something I forget and that was such a good exercise to immediately drop me back into chill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh
[SPEAKER_01]: Chilloo!
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay!
[SPEAKER_01]: It also reminds me there's this quote in a course in miracles and then also Gabrielle Bernstein's books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember which one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's those who trust can afford to wait and they can afford to wait patiently.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big mess, that's a lot of trust energetics is the more you can receive and be patient and be okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a signal that everything is okay, everything is working, everything is in divine timing and that you're not in a rush or racing to get somewhere else or not running away or hiding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you're such a wealth of knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun to speak to somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you have your own language of like the way that you've organized, all the information about the subconscious belief work and energy and nervous system work all together is like so incredible and so helpful and even just talking to you for this amount of time has helped me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for also that advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know when you hear something in your entire body is like, listen, listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that happens often.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're if you're content pops up, that's always like, this is what we've been trying to tell you and now it's in the form of acute girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to listen now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't keep girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, matching shoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: For being here, thanks so much for sharing all of your magic and your story and your vulnerability and your magic, and I honestly I am just so proud of you for absolutely following your gift and following everything that you are called to do it just gives not only just it's amazing to witness, but it gives everyone else permission to continue following their joy and to do the things that might feel vulnerable, but
[SPEAKER_02]: to do it and to find the joy and to stretch and kind of regulate to having it be out in the open because I think a lot of us are a little frightened of really bringing it out there but you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for all the ways that you helped me also, even before this intensive help you were just doing with this intensive?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in a good way.