WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:11.390 [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, it's Bree Baguau with your Only Vans Break app, and my friend Brian Keene is in addition to one of the nicest humans, an incredible singer songwriter, and now creator of the new app Play Ola. 00:12.051 --> 00:19.244 [SPEAKER_07]: In this episode, we talk a lot about Play Ola, but since we've recorded this episode, the app is now open and public and available to everyone. 00:19.444 --> 00:24.352 [SPEAKER_07]: So please download the app and listen to my station, band B A N N E D radio. 00:24.753 --> 00:25.414 [SPEAKER_07]: There are 00:25.394 --> 00:27.559 [SPEAKER_07]: other incredible stations too, but mine's really great. 00:27.699 --> 00:32.870 [SPEAKER_07]: I basically tell you the stories behind my songs and I curate the best songs that I know you will enjoy. 00:32.910 --> 00:36.117 [SPEAKER_07]: The feedback so far on the app has been truly amazing. 00:36.338 --> 00:43.453 [SPEAKER_07]: Brian has written some giant hits you recognize like William Clark Greene's she likes the Beatles and Adam Hood and Josh Abbott's All-Sling About Mine. 00:43.433 --> 00:49.240 [SPEAKER_07]: He's married to my producer extraordinaire Rachel Lloyd, and he also played keyboard for Randy Rogers for Stint. 00:49.841 --> 00:57.851 [SPEAKER_07]: He really understands both the good and the bad of both Texas and Nashville music scenes through both his and Rachel's experiences in the music business. 00:58.371 --> 01:08.023 [SPEAKER_07]: And he clearly can use both sides of his brain seamlessly, so Brian, thanks for coding play all up, but we are so ready for your new record, enjoy. 01:11.952 --> 01:20.228 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you ever think that she likes the Beatles would be the biggest, like it is like I went to a will the other day It's like the biggest freaking song. 01:20.749 --> 01:22.311 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew it was really good. 01:22.632 --> 01:29.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I knew it was really good as soon as we finished it Hey, everybody this is free bag. 01:29.926 --> 01:31.970 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and this is my podcast. 01:31.990 --> 01:32.531 [SPEAKER_04]: Believe in us. 01:32.831 --> 01:34.855 [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about friends 01:46.529 --> 01:47.570 [SPEAKER_07]: Check check, how do we sound? 01:48.471 --> 01:54.517 [SPEAKER_07]: You know what it's like being on the road all the time and getting the free everything all the time? 01:54.837 --> 01:58.461 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not gonna pay you, but we're gonna give you free alcohol. 01:59.041 --> 02:00.643 [SPEAKER_07]: Can I have the cash option? 02:00.683 --> 02:02.445 [SPEAKER_07]: What? 02:03.125 --> 02:07.410 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, how much do you miss the white band days driving through the night? 02:08.931 --> 02:10.012 [SPEAKER_02]: I miss 90 minutes. 02:10.933 --> 02:11.734 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 02:12.094 --> 02:12.975 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all. 02:13.462 --> 02:16.326 [SPEAKER_07]: That's exactly how I feel. 02:16.607 --> 02:20.713 [SPEAKER_07]: It's the only easy part of being on the road is the time that I'm on stage. 02:20.753 --> 02:23.317 [SPEAKER_07]: And people will say, you look so happy on stage like I am. 02:23.878 --> 02:24.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 02:24.659 --> 02:25.380 [SPEAKER_07]: The rest of it. 02:26.942 --> 02:31.369 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, even the tires and the van maintenance and the 02:31.771 --> 02:36.699 [SPEAKER_07]: It is so hard and it hasn't gotten, I'm just letting you know. 02:36.719 --> 02:38.342 [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't got any easier. 02:39.164 --> 02:39.765 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it. 02:40.185 --> 02:40.746 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it. 02:41.548 --> 02:49.862 [SPEAKER_07]: When you started your own thing in the Texas scene, what year, what year are we talking here? 02:50.323 --> 02:50.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh. 02:52.046 --> 02:54.229 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even, I don't even know. 02:54.630 --> 02:57.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that like 20... 02:59.885 --> 03:02.368 [SPEAKER_07]: Because on Spotify, you're a record, say 2017. 03:02.408 --> 03:04.550 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, do that. 03:04.670 --> 03:06.191 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I think that's when you like read. 03:06.612 --> 03:07.733 [SPEAKER_02]: I must have gathered on the street. 03:07.753 --> 03:08.494 [SPEAKER_02]: I've wrote it on the street. 03:08.514 --> 03:08.954 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally. 03:08.974 --> 03:12.778 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I was trying to go see, you know, when 90 miles an hour came out. 03:12.858 --> 03:19.005 [SPEAKER_07]: And because we used to listen back in the day, we used to listen to that song and all your records. 03:19.045 --> 03:20.826 [SPEAKER_07]: We used to jam it all the time. 03:20.906 --> 03:21.988 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, wait, here was that. 03:22.248 --> 03:24.390 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was looking like, well, it wasn't 2017. 03:24.370 --> 03:27.654 [SPEAKER_02]: I should know, I mean, yeah, no, no, one in 2017. 03:27.754 --> 03:34.301 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, gosh, because it has to be before any of my kids were born, so it had to be like 2011. 03:34.321 --> 03:39.147 [SPEAKER_07]: 2011 was when I started with Nick Fraude. 03:39.167 --> 03:41.309 [SPEAKER_07]: We had that book in agent and call him in for a little while. 03:41.530 --> 03:41.710 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:41.810 --> 03:42.751 [SPEAKER_07]: I saw him the other day. 03:42.771 --> 03:44.293 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, how's he doing? 03:44.313 --> 03:45.054 [SPEAKER_07]: He's doing great. 03:46.155 --> 03:51.441 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that guy, that guy was a, he was a force. 03:51.488 --> 03:57.335 [SPEAKER_07]: He was a curator of really, or he had an eye, I'm like, he had an eye for a really good talent. 03:57.415 --> 03:59.097 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, moving myself in there. 03:59.658 --> 04:03.883 [SPEAKER_07]: But I went to see we went to see Cody Johnson play at the rodeo for 80,000 people. 04:04.744 --> 04:06.346 [SPEAKER_07]: He asked Pauli's in a play guitar. 04:07.007 --> 04:09.711 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, also Paul got to play at the Houston rodeo. 04:09.871 --> 04:21.445 [SPEAKER_07]: And Nick was there because Nick booked you, me, Cody, William Cargreen, Scootabron, Jodie Booth, Josh Ward. 04:21.425 --> 04:22.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:22.587 --> 04:22.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:23.989 --> 04:31.841 [SPEAKER_07]: That was wild that he even had that that foresight and yeah now he got to go watch Cody Johnson play at the radio so that's pretty crazy. 04:31.921 --> 04:32.862 [SPEAKER_02]: That's super cool. 04:33.122 --> 04:33.623 [SPEAKER_07]: He's doing great. 04:33.643 --> 04:34.645 [SPEAKER_07]: Now he's he's smart. 04:34.665 --> 04:35.546 [SPEAKER_07]: He's in construction. 04:35.606 --> 04:37.008 [SPEAKER_07]: He builds like really high in homes. 04:37.208 --> 04:38.891 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's surprising. 04:38.931 --> 04:43.618 [SPEAKER_02]: He's filled figured he would just, you know, be awesome at whatever he tries. 04:43.666 --> 04:45.188 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he was like, I'm out of here. 04:45.608 --> 04:47.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I get that too. 04:47.370 --> 04:48.111 [SPEAKER_07]: I get that too. 04:48.351 --> 04:54.758 [SPEAKER_07]: And now, you get to do, in my opinion, are you doing music like, is it fun for you not? 04:54.798 --> 04:55.819 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you get to do it for fun? 04:56.120 --> 04:56.520 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:56.860 --> 04:58.542 [SPEAKER_07]: Tell me, okay, start at the beginning. 04:59.023 --> 04:59.724 [SPEAKER_07]: What's that like? 05:01.445 --> 05:01.626 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha. 05:01.646 --> 05:05.790 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was weird, like, it was, it was weird for a long time. 05:05.910 --> 05:12.998 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember, when I, when I quit the road, 05:13.552 --> 05:19.716 [SPEAKER_07]: You don't have to, but was it a specific moment? 05:19.857 --> 05:21.925 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't remember this and I don't remember. 05:23.035 --> 05:27.240 [SPEAKER_02]: There was, it basically just started getting boring. 05:27.420 --> 05:42.637 [SPEAKER_02]: We had kids, and I just remember, it wasn't conscious, but I would leave and not just, it wasn't like I was like, oh, I got to get back to the kids who are keeping this up all night know that, but it was just like, I just didn't care about being there as much. 05:42.797 --> 05:46.782 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I kind of played every size room and every, 05:46.762 --> 06:02.104 [SPEAKER_02]: everything because I played with Randy so I played like giant places and and tiny dive bars and everywhere and it was just there was it just I just got bored with it I guess yeah right you've done 06:02.084 --> 06:07.332 [SPEAKER_07]: you've done everything in play keys for rainy Rogers, but you're such a great songwriter. 06:07.412 --> 06:08.734 [SPEAKER_07]: Like you're one of my favorite songwriters. 06:08.794 --> 06:24.777 [SPEAKER_07]: I talk about it all the time and you'll sit on a floor with me and Rachel and Tara Potter song and put it back together and I think of my records and how you probably didn't get enough songwriting credit, which, you know, I would say too much songwriting credit. 06:25.398 --> 06:27.501 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I mean, you can fix a song. 06:27.481 --> 06:57.201 [SPEAKER_02]: What would I I love that's one of my favorite things to do and and when specifically with you because it's like the songs are already so good and it's like You know can sometimes we can't take it like up a level, but it's such a challenge to take it up a level and then it's so satisfying when it does go up a level It's just and to come out it would just fresh eyes because because you're you're in it like you're like it's hard to know at that point whether Yeah, you know, but I would get stuck were like 06:57.181 --> 07:17.468 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember what this last piece I remember us doing that with like all the songs on a record for you, and then meet me in Rachel talking about it and saying like well We just have to make sure because you came in with 99% of the record written and then we helped with that 1% and then we're like we got to make sure that we don't get credit on like 07:17.448 --> 07:34.120 [SPEAKER_02]: all of the songs because it wouldn't, if that actually wouldn't be representative of what we did, because you really like, you come in with the songs, and we're doing like, it might be writing, it might be producing is kind of pre-production, but it's not, it's just like the last little bit, but it's so satisfying. 07:34.140 --> 07:37.266 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's, you and Rachel both do that words, like it's mostly you. 07:37.326 --> 07:39.490 [SPEAKER_07]: We just hear an am over here like, that's not true. 07:39.470 --> 07:50.164 [SPEAKER_07]: But thank you for saying that it's really fun, but that's like the value that I play so much and you know as a songwriter Someone like you you can come in and the song is ready to go. 07:50.545 --> 08:05.325 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm more of quantity and then we kind of like polish them up And it's fun that you like to do that because I can't come into a song midway through and see what's wrong with it and or even 75% the way through and like But you have that ability and you enjoy that 08:06.065 --> 08:07.227 [SPEAKER_02]: I really love that. 08:07.407 --> 08:16.099 [SPEAKER_02]: I find the rest of it really difficult, the coming up with what to write about, like the song game was torturous for me. 08:16.159 --> 08:23.590 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was also amazing and changed my life, but it was torturous, that's so interesting. 08:23.710 --> 08:35.987 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, every, like just trying to figure out what to write and then sitting down and just squeezing it out, that's really difficult for me. 08:35.967 --> 08:39.354 [SPEAKER_06]: you saying something is torturous is like hilarious. 08:39.574 --> 08:40.877 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, do you know what I'm saying? 08:40.897 --> 08:43.182 [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's like that seems like really tedious. 08:44.004 --> 08:47.431 [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like it's just different and there's no emotional attachment. 08:47.511 --> 08:52.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a song you want to get right because you want like the feeling that you had to get to everybody else. 08:52.982 --> 08:55.748 [SPEAKER_02]: And code is just as it workers and not work. 08:56.335 --> 08:57.317 [SPEAKER_07]: interesting. 08:57.498 --> 09:05.377 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that is kind of how I feel about a to-do list where I love to scratch things off because with music you never really scratch anything off. 09:05.918 --> 09:12.133 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why the idea of a side hustle or another job or whatever is so enticing to me and that's why it's so exciting. 09:12.113 --> 09:18.363 [SPEAKER_07]: because it's like you can get up and you can see what you need to do and then you can do it and you can scratch it off and then you get money for it. 09:18.463 --> 09:19.264 [SPEAKER_07]: We're like music. 09:19.404 --> 09:22.970 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like you can create a record and like Rachel and I were talking about like does it? 09:23.491 --> 09:23.971 [SPEAKER_07]: It might not. 09:23.991 --> 09:28.238 [SPEAKER_07]: You feel like it doesn't matter in a week, which isn't true, but that's how it makes you feel. 09:28.298 --> 09:29.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:29.119 --> 09:33.346 [SPEAKER_07]: It's so emotionally difficult or something. 09:33.406 --> 09:35.189 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that's why you that part of your brain. 09:35.209 --> 09:35.910 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. 09:35.958 --> 10:00.126 [SPEAKER_02]: no for sure it gives you all this freedom like i i remember we uh i mean i i definitely felt like i lost my identity when i quit touring for that was weird i remember writing on uh like going to the doctor after i quit the road and not knowing what to write on the on the the thing where it says what do you do for living and i was like well crap 10:00.106 --> 10:19.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just felt I just felt that was really depressing Interesting then uh, but then I was writing more and playing more than I was when I was on the road because I just never I never had time to play or write when I was touring It was like be time to write a record. 10:19.194 --> 10:20.276 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like oh shit. 10:20.596 --> 10:21.878 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay 10:21.858 --> 10:23.100 [SPEAKER_02]: I figured this out. 10:23.121 --> 10:30.014 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember writing half of my last record in the back of the van between shows. 10:30.656 --> 10:38.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a send the band would go in and have dinner or something and I'd go sit in the van and write the rest of the songs. 10:38.491 --> 10:39.293 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was 10:39.273 --> 10:46.505 [SPEAKER_07]: I cannot do that, but even getting my guitar out of the bar back to the RV to write a song feels like impossible. 10:47.226 --> 10:49.509 [SPEAKER_07]: It is very hard and carving out time creatively. 10:49.570 --> 10:58.564 [SPEAKER_07]: I feel a little bit fraudstery right now because I've been we haven't had the song game, which if you don't know what that is, is where you write a song every week or two weeks based on a prompt. 10:58.544 --> 11:26.475 [SPEAKER_07]: Rachel and Brian like you guys got me into the song game and I was doing I did for years I wrote every week or two weeks I wrote a song and now I feel like since I have happened no accountability I haven't written anything because you do carve out time for it and it is tortures for me too so I'm glad that you said that because I don't enjoy the probably it's I always say it's like working out it's like enjoy it when it's done but I'm not like 11:26.455 --> 11:37.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally I love having written the song and I love having a new song to play right but the process of writing it I I have never been been crazy about it 11:37.762 --> 11:38.162 [SPEAKER_07]: Interesting. 11:38.203 --> 11:39.604 [SPEAKER_07]: How do you feel about co-writing? 11:39.624 --> 11:47.193 [SPEAKER_07]: Because when I was in Nashville, sometimes I would just be like, I would wake up and I would just dread having to go co-write with somebody I didn't know. 11:47.213 --> 11:48.815 [SPEAKER_07]: But you feel that too? 11:49.195 --> 11:49.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 11:49.776 --> 11:51.198 [SPEAKER_02]: It's mentally exhausting. 11:51.939 --> 11:57.665 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I get way more exhausted after a day of doing that than I do, a day of coding on this. 11:58.286 --> 11:58.727 [SPEAKER_07]: Interesting. 11:58.787 --> 11:59.087 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you? 11:59.147 --> 11:59.628 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you? 11:59.668 --> 12:00.969 [SPEAKER_07]: I keep saying, interesting. 12:00.989 --> 12:03.432 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I'm a son of a science experiment. 12:03.893 --> 12:05.895 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, did you ever have a publishing do? 12:05.977 --> 12:14.233 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I wanted one bad because I I mean, I had all these crappy side jobs all the way up. 12:14.373 --> 12:16.256 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a bartender. 12:16.277 --> 12:18.461 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a flipped cars for a while. 12:18.541 --> 12:19.663 [SPEAKER_02]: I was mechanic. 12:19.683 --> 12:20.885 [SPEAKER_02]: I worked in shop in Austin. 12:20.905 --> 12:22.348 [SPEAKER_02]: I was 12:22.328 --> 12:38.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Just everything and I remember just being super broken Nashville and when they kind of flirt with you and yeah, and they're like Oh, yeah, we're totally gonna totally gonna sign you just right with just do these three co-rides a week for a month And then we'll talk and then you do that and then 12:38.900 --> 12:41.683 [SPEAKER_07]: And they didn't say, yes, that's okay. 12:41.703 --> 12:43.005 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this is for anyone listening. 12:43.105 --> 12:56.841 [SPEAKER_07]: If you don't have a pub deal, or you haven't had one, like, in breaking it out with your friend, that doesn't mean any, and then, you know, I'd never come written a song and they gave me one because I thought I was gonna be a big star and that admitted to never listening to my song. 12:56.901 --> 12:58.442 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's like, what is the game? 12:58.883 --> 13:00.825 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I didn't tell you didn't tell you this? 13:00.845 --> 13:03.008 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I got to hear about this. 13:03.328 --> 13:03.388 [UNKNOWN]: My, 13:03.368 --> 13:08.152 [SPEAKER_07]: Publisher was out on the town and told my friend Dave Finley. 13:08.933 --> 13:11.936 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we didn't even listen to brief songs. 13:12.476 --> 13:14.458 [SPEAKER_07]: We just thought she was going to get a big record don't get famous. 13:14.518 --> 13:17.781 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, told and Dave called and he was really upset for me. 13:18.181 --> 13:21.124 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was really upset for me because I was kind of killing myself. 13:21.144 --> 13:30.312 [SPEAKER_07]: And then of course now looking back and like, well of course, they gave me a publishing don't I never even Britain us song with anybody before like I didn't deserve it. 13:30.452 --> 13:31.734 [SPEAKER_02]: But they weren't even listening. 13:32.074 --> 13:33.375 [SPEAKER_07]: They weren't listening. 13:33.355 --> 13:47.249 [SPEAKER_07]: But said that how would they know I know I know oh it still makes me angry so But but that's that's just another point of why the whole system in Nashville is like sometimes very backwards Oh completely backwards. 13:47.729 --> 13:58.300 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just remember because I was touring every weekend and then I fly up and right in Nashville And I everybody I wrote with how to publish and deal for the most part and I remember 13:58.280 --> 14:04.873 [SPEAKER_02]: I just remember the songs that the publishers liked and the songs that the audience is like being completely different. 14:05.173 --> 14:14.331 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, right, you either, and you're either writing for the gatekeepers or for the audience, and never for both, I mean, almost, I don't think I've ever written the song that both like. 14:14.311 --> 14:18.938 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, until it gets famous, and then they're like, oh, yeah, and you're like, I called it all along. 14:18.958 --> 14:21.582 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, no, you didn't even let me write ballots. 14:21.842 --> 14:25.828 [SPEAKER_07]: And here comes Chris Stapleton or whatever, and you're like, oh, I know it's like, oh, I know it's like, oh, did it. 14:25.848 --> 14:32.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, totally, Irmuranda, like, the house that built me, like, right, the thing that cracked me up was them all being like, oh, like an acoustic song will never work. 14:32.958 --> 14:36.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And then as soon as she hits that song, they like all want one like it. 14:36.683 --> 14:39.448 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, no, it has nothing to do with it being. 14:39.468 --> 14:41.871 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, you told me I wasn't not allowed to do this. 14:41.851 --> 14:43.293 [SPEAKER_07]: I know wild. 14:44.194 --> 14:57.694 [SPEAKER_07]: I was going back and forth every week too to Nashville and just that travel was exhausting and being on the road is exhausting and I think I was just kind of failing at both, but how hot of them because you've had a lot of success co-writing. 14:58.315 --> 14:58.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 14:58.916 --> 15:01.900 [SPEAKER_07]: So like, I mean, we can talk about it in your core. 15:02.100 --> 15:06.046 [SPEAKER_07]: I know them all, but anyone listening that doesn't know about all your successful co-writes. 15:06.567 --> 15:09.411 [SPEAKER_07]: I thought that I had to tell you that you've made it. 15:09.391 --> 15:16.862 [SPEAKER_07]: Totally as a songwriter because the other night I was in out of festival in this guy next to me This is named Dave Thomas. 15:16.882 --> 15:22.892 [SPEAKER_07]: He was playing guitar and singing and he was singing I like her bobbers and she lacks my pole. 15:23.032 --> 15:33.989 [SPEAKER_07]: So you have a parody You did it so how did you everything that she likes the Beatles would be like the biggest Like it is like I went to a will the other day. 15:34.069 --> 15:36.192 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like the biggest freaking song 15:36.323 --> 15:38.065 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew it was really good. 15:38.085 --> 15:41.149 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew it was really good as soon as we finished it. 15:41.589 --> 15:46.175 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was excited about it as soon as we finished it. 15:48.357 --> 16:04.997 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and here in the band play it, and playing it on the record with them on it, that was, it was just a magical experience, the whole thing was, the production had to be like, the production just nailed it, that'll solidify what a such a great job. 16:05.112 --> 16:06.334 [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree. 16:06.574 --> 16:07.496 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'm pretty agree. 16:08.056 --> 16:08.597 [SPEAKER_02]: She's pretty good. 16:08.637 --> 16:14.005 [SPEAKER_07]: You're a hot wife, but those records and the warm-up clock rate, how many woke-up cuts do you have? 16:14.025 --> 16:15.027 [SPEAKER_07]: Not that don't you have a few? 16:15.167 --> 16:16.189 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, just the one. 16:16.329 --> 16:16.749 [SPEAKER_07]: Just one? 16:16.829 --> 16:17.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Just the one, yeah. 16:18.352 --> 16:19.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Huh. 16:19.734 --> 16:21.236 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been trying to get together. 16:21.256 --> 16:22.598 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got together a couple times. 16:23.059 --> 16:27.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think that one, we kind of wrote over email. 16:27.505 --> 16:30.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I think that worked really well for us. 16:30.430 --> 16:32.092 [SPEAKER_07]: You write over email this whole time? 16:32.613 --> 16:33.955 [SPEAKER_07]: We've never wrote over email. 16:33.935 --> 16:35.218 [SPEAKER_02]: We should totally write over him. 16:35.298 --> 16:37.042 [SPEAKER_07]: Because we can't seem to make it work in person. 16:37.223 --> 16:38.426 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I love it. 16:38.606 --> 16:39.047 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 16:39.388 --> 16:40.531 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 16:40.611 --> 16:44.921 [SPEAKER_02]: He sent me the chorus or a lot of that. 16:44.961 --> 16:49.412 [SPEAKER_02]: He sent me all the music to the chorus and most of the words to the chorus. 16:49.392 --> 17:06.074 [SPEAKER_02]: and then I wrote a verse and then I wrote that bridge and then I sent it back to them and said, hey, we need like a funny verse here and we need another one here and he wrote some really funny stuff and then we got together and finished it out together. 17:06.114 --> 17:13.223 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was, you know, that whole record was really magical. 17:13.304 --> 17:29.068 [SPEAKER_07]: the whole record and then I mean I remember even I guess wasn't the most clean record of the one before was the worst clean the first minute yeah that was the record where I called him and I said who produces record and he's like right to low and I was like I want her to produce my records now. 17:29.048 --> 17:30.149 [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, that's exciting. 17:30.209 --> 17:31.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I am so glad. 17:31.891 --> 17:32.212 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 17:32.392 --> 17:33.413 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad. 17:33.493 --> 17:34.534 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like a woman. 17:35.195 --> 17:36.376 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no, I'm just kidding. 17:36.496 --> 17:37.798 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, of course it is. 17:37.858 --> 17:40.681 [SPEAKER_07]: It's someone who's brilliant and just all around great. 17:40.761 --> 17:44.806 [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, and you kind of get brain keen like looped it. 17:44.906 --> 17:49.271 [SPEAKER_07]: You kind of when you get, when you work with Rachel, you accidentally get brown of keen occasionally coming in. 17:49.311 --> 17:56.659 [SPEAKER_07]: And if you could have told young Bribagua that she'd be sitting on the floor, writing songs with brain keen and Rachel or she would have been like, what? 17:56.639 --> 17:57.540 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you're kidding. 17:57.560 --> 17:58.321 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm serious. 17:58.862 --> 18:01.585 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm a natural and Nashville in like 2011. 18:01.765 --> 18:03.427 [SPEAKER_07]: I was up there with Nick. 18:03.467 --> 18:06.831 [SPEAKER_07]: I played well I guess maybe I might even forget that, but we were in Nashville. 18:07.171 --> 18:08.613 [SPEAKER_07]: I played the Billy block show. 18:08.673 --> 18:10.335 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Yeah, do you remember this? 18:10.455 --> 18:13.479 [SPEAKER_02]: I know I absolutely remember that at that venue that's gone now. 18:13.559 --> 18:16.523 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's gone and then Rachel played too. 18:16.903 --> 18:20.267 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you all played anyway, and I was sitting there watching 18:20.247 --> 18:43.437 [SPEAKER_07]: her with you and I was like she is amazing and you were just like stars in your eyes like she is amazing and I was like I wanted to look at me the way the ranking looks at Rachel Lloyd that's how I think you I think you got there and what took me forever though I did get there but it took me a long time let's talk about all sing about mine oh so no you can do you 18:43.417 --> 18:53.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just, I remember the first time I was, the first time we met was at the Lambert's. 18:53.576 --> 18:54.939 [SPEAKER_02]: But Rachel wasn't there. 18:54.979 --> 19:01.331 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember you played that, um, I want to be your whisk song on the piano. 19:01.391 --> 19:02.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:02.132 --> 19:03.996 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was, that's when I was sold. 19:04.056 --> 19:06.741 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I went back and I told Rachel like, you got it. 19:06.721 --> 19:07.463 [SPEAKER_02]: here this girl. 19:08.004 --> 19:09.689 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm recording that. 19:10.170 --> 19:11.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's such a great song. 19:11.714 --> 19:13.298 [SPEAKER_07]: I just told Rachel, I'm re-recording that. 19:13.760 --> 19:17.129 [SPEAKER_07]: And we chopped it and had, I mean, it was so, it's like five minutes long. 19:17.149 --> 19:19.475 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know anything about, I wrote it when I was 18 years old. 19:19.555 --> 19:20.959 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know anything about writing songs. 19:21.019 --> 19:22.062 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy. 19:22.182 --> 19:22.603 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 19:22.583 --> 19:45.773 [SPEAKER_07]: And I miss those days and I miss, you know, when you listen to your old records before you were writing for, you know, this has to be three minutes long and it is a commercial enough and can my bandplay it or like what, you know, all the things that creep into our heads or if I release it is knowing I'm going to care like, can I sing this live every night or whatever, anyway, I was just writing songs because I liked to write songs and that I miss that feeling a little bit. 19:46.006 --> 19:47.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:47.528 --> 19:48.088 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:48.549 --> 19:51.773 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like I have some of that back. 19:52.213 --> 19:54.796 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was hoping that you would say. 19:54.997 --> 19:55.457 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure. 19:56.198 --> 19:56.518 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure. 19:56.779 --> 20:00.443 [SPEAKER_07]: You just can write without thinking about anything else. 20:00.463 --> 20:02.545 [SPEAKER_07]: Like I don't, I don't do that anymore. 20:02.625 --> 20:05.989 [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know what that would look like and feel like. 20:06.710 --> 20:09.233 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing has to be a hit for me anymore. 20:09.253 --> 20:11.676 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that makes it real free. 20:11.858 --> 20:17.789 [SPEAKER_07]: But didn't you record, have you released the record that you recorded that I got to hear a little bit of? 20:17.809 --> 20:18.350 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't. 20:18.870 --> 20:22.377 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, it's like what we're talking about. 20:22.417 --> 20:28.888 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's all in the can. 20:28.948 --> 20:34.879 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just got to be mixed, but every time 600 bucks for mixing a song comes up, it's like, 20:34.859 --> 20:40.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, am I going to do that and just throw it out there and absolutely not make it back even if it's successful? 20:41.287 --> 20:43.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Or am I going to, you know, fix the plumbing? 20:45.131 --> 20:45.311 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 20:45.452 --> 20:52.920 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what we just talked to Rachel about, which is like, how strange the music landscape is, where we're sitting, you're sitting on songs. 20:52.960 --> 20:53.701 [SPEAKER_07]: She's sitting on songs. 20:53.902 --> 20:54.642 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sitting on songs. 20:54.863 --> 20:58.487 [SPEAKER_07]: We're literally sitting on art because we're like, what's the point? 21:04.964 --> 21:13.928 [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, this is Bree Bagwell, and if you want to listen to this podcast early and add free, subscribe to my Patreon at www.patrion.com, backslash Bree Bagwell. 21:15.106 --> 21:16.569 [SPEAKER_07]: Like that's a little bit sad. 21:17.090 --> 21:18.232 [SPEAKER_02]: It's totally sad. 21:18.252 --> 21:19.514 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know why I said a little bit. 21:19.654 --> 21:20.877 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like a lot sad. 21:20.937 --> 21:22.720 [SPEAKER_07]: No, it's that record is so. 21:22.760 --> 21:27.048 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I Rachel played me some of it, and I was like, this is so good. 21:27.549 --> 21:28.210 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, thank you. 21:28.271 --> 21:29.873 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was a magical record. 21:30.014 --> 21:31.577 [SPEAKER_02]: I had a lot of fun making that record. 21:31.637 --> 21:37.688 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, it's just, I just don't have the money to finish it, or to, to, to, to make it. 21:37.668 --> 21:41.413 [SPEAKER_07]: right because we're and it's not like we're poor. 21:41.473 --> 21:44.497 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a thing like I've always like it's not like we need $600. 21:44.537 --> 21:46.740 [SPEAKER_07]: No, we need $100,000 to make it. 21:46.860 --> 21:49.224 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it doesn't like it doesn't. 21:49.384 --> 21:50.926 [SPEAKER_07]: You can get it mixed in this in this. 21:51.026 --> 21:56.233 [SPEAKER_07]: If you're trying to cut through nowadays in the musical landscape, it's literally like 21:56.213 --> 22:06.769 [SPEAKER_07]: $100,000 is what you need to hire the team and pay to get it through social media and like, and And if you have if I have 600 bucks, I'm gonna go print a run of t-shirts. 22:06.789 --> 22:15.322 [SPEAKER_07]: That's gonna make me $2000, then I am gonna put it into music That's never gonna pay me back six hundred bucks for just the mixing. 22:15.543 --> 22:19.048 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they they just took all that money away from us 22:19.467 --> 22:29.522 [SPEAKER_07]: They took it away from us and I, can you, if you could recreate the, uh, when you did your playlist, be true, like, this is the things that Nash will took away from us. 22:29.642 --> 22:33.428 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, in the front row, like, tears in my eyes. 22:33.448 --> 22:41.360 [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't expecting you to, I wasn't expecting you to put it into, like, a PowerPoint person to each another. 22:41.380 --> 22:43.163 [SPEAKER_07]: Of everything that has been, 22:43.143 --> 22:48.208 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt incredibly douchey doing a little PowerPoint for the nation. 22:48.448 --> 22:49.469 [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't PowerPoint. 22:49.489 --> 22:53.252 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, I mean, it was, like, but it was, it was necessary. 22:53.392 --> 22:54.033 [SPEAKER_02]: It was necessary. 22:54.053 --> 23:04.762 [SPEAKER_07]: But the way that you explained the revenues and Nashville versus independent and how they have kind of intercepted themselves in there, can you say that part? 23:04.782 --> 23:05.123 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 23:05.163 --> 23:07.725 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you need your PowerPoint? 23:07.765 --> 23:11.629 [SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe now I could do it. 23:13.050 --> 23:13.150 [UNKNOWN]: Okay. 23:13.130 --> 23:41.128 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, for me, my whole musical career was doing well, having success, and then finding some alternative way to make money because they'd already taken away the money that you get from that success, and then at first, it was like, well, all my friends were getting TV commercials, but then that went all, you know, making it taken over by the majors, then it was, um, 23:41.108 --> 23:44.194 [SPEAKER_02]: What else there was like beers? 23:44.394 --> 23:50.866 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think about beer sponsorships and stuff like that too totally totally and now like a record deals They take a percentage of that sponsored. 23:50.886 --> 23:54.814 [SPEAKER_07]: Or they go into influencers that are not musicians So anyway. 23:54.834 --> 23:55.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no totally. 23:55.856 --> 24:03.049 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like all of these forms of revenue get taken away and I the biggest example for me is how 24:03.029 --> 24:09.377 [SPEAKER_02]: They, the labels talk about how, well, Napster happened and then all of the money went away. 24:09.857 --> 24:11.039 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's half true. 24:11.199 --> 24:11.820 [SPEAKER_02]: It went away. 24:11.860 --> 24:23.694 [SPEAKER_02]: And when it was gone, they renegotiated all the, the, the, the flows of cash, so that it, uh, so that they get to keep it. 24:23.834 --> 24:29.982 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes straight to the, the people in suits now and away from anybody that's creating something. 24:29.962 --> 24:44.710 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the idea of the play-all of this app that we're working on is sort of to just grab the money that's leftover from FM radio and give as much of it as we can to artists. 24:45.091 --> 24:46.654 [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's kind of the whole thing. 24:46.904 --> 24:47.686 [SPEAKER_07]: That's so lovely. 24:47.726 --> 24:48.928 [SPEAKER_07]: I was trying to explain it to Paul. 24:48.948 --> 25:06.482 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, it's like there's money coming down the slide and they just come in and go up and then they get it and then we kind of figure out how to get around and they're like, up here they come like you can never quite get it and that's it's it's so frustrating and then we're always having to pivot and learn and I just there was so much about. 25:06.462 --> 25:16.478 [SPEAKER_07]: living in Nashville that was hard for me, but you know, whenever I would go there would be, I would always be talking to somebody that I felt like couldn't even play a court on guitar. 25:16.879 --> 25:18.441 [SPEAKER_07]: That was like, well, here's what you need to do. 25:18.521 --> 25:25.733 [SPEAKER_07]: And I just got so exhausted of that because the only way I knew how to make room money was to be touring on the road. 25:26.214 --> 25:28.858 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's still kind of 25:28.838 --> 25:44.828 [SPEAKER_07]: What it is, but it's very frustrating because it's like, even though I go back, it's like, well, you never go out outside of Texas in the Midwest, it's like, it's not for lack of try, but to cut through, it's the only thing that I know that I can go do and like get the money that I'm owed. 25:45.129 --> 25:47.493 [SPEAKER_07]: Here's a contract, here's how many tickets I sold. 25:47.794 --> 25:49.918 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like the only concrete thing that we have. 25:49.898 --> 25:57.352 [SPEAKER_07]: Left, which I keep telling Kyle, like, maybe live touring now in the world of robots and AI people are going to be like, we need live music. 25:57.372 --> 25:59.777 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe I've been training for this my whole life. 25:59.797 --> 26:01.581 [SPEAKER_07]: But at the same time, I'm tired now. 26:01.681 --> 26:04.446 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I don't want to go out the pace that I was going. 26:05.007 --> 26:06.169 [SPEAKER_07]: It's incredibly hard. 26:06.410 --> 26:10.658 [SPEAKER_07]: I come home sometimes, Paul and I both from the road looking like we've been in a fist fight. 26:10.638 --> 26:12.843 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, because it's exhausting. 26:13.244 --> 26:21.504 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not easy and someone told me the other day, even in a tour bus, like even in a two tour buses, it's still super taxing on your body. 26:21.524 --> 26:29.102 [SPEAKER_07]: So I love that you're creating something that has the potential to make us money that I don't have to leave my house to do. 26:29.167 --> 26:44.208 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the idea was, okay, there's this service that used to exist where people would dig through all of the songs and find the good ones and then present them in an entertaining way. 26:44.228 --> 26:47.713 [SPEAKER_02]: And for a while, DJs were making really good money doing it. 26:47.933 --> 26:59.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's all sort of corporate and nobody understands that radio can be a really cool thing because it's taken over by a couple giant companies that own them all and only spend major 26:59.069 --> 27:22.242 [SPEAKER_02]: the same songs every two hours totally yeah it's for been like that algorithm has been taken and used for evil but it doesn't mean the algorithm is bad so what we're trying to do is take that algorithm and take something that musicians do already on the bus playing songs for each other it's listening to this and digging through stuff and and saying well maybe that's a way that musicians could get paid what they're deserve. 27:22.475 --> 27:25.580 [SPEAKER_07]: So each artist has their own unique station. 27:25.760 --> 27:28.885 [SPEAKER_07]: And each one kind of has their own tone and theme. 27:29.206 --> 27:32.591 [SPEAKER_07]: And we've kind of experimented with mine, which is really funny. 27:32.731 --> 27:40.804 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if we're going to do it as much, but in the beginning it was very funny because it was like, pre-book, we'll ban radio, where we play girls back to bad. 27:40.784 --> 27:45.410 [SPEAKER_07]: Like just like we really leaned into like the female on the radio I love it. 27:45.430 --> 28:02.674 [SPEAKER_07]: It was it's so funny and it's like People immediately that especially people that know me like get the sarcasm But then you know, Rekus Kelly radio or making motor cars ready to go those are all all or Now you have a bunch of new stations how many artists do you have at the time of this recording? 28:03.143 --> 28:15.135 [SPEAKER_02]: There's 17 live, there's, I think, four or five in development now, and we're getting requests from people to be on that to be on it and we're also having requests from listeners. 28:15.175 --> 28:17.197 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a waiting list to get into the app. 28:17.397 --> 28:29.269 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the reason that we cut it off is so that we can get everything like if you, if you let 10 people join and then and things aren't right, then you lose eight of them. 28:29.249 --> 28:31.032 [SPEAKER_02]: and it's really hard to get those back. 28:31.092 --> 28:51.426 [SPEAKER_02]: So what we do is we let 10 people in or we let 50 at this point in and then we we make change and we watch how they behave and then if we see if we keep more or less than we did last time we get the product right and then we're going to open it up when we get to about 40% of people staying which we're at the 34.5% so 28:51.406 --> 28:52.167 [SPEAKER_07]: It's incredible. 28:52.327 --> 28:58.274 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I released it to my fan club members and they'll, the feedback is that they just love it. 28:58.374 --> 29:00.577 [SPEAKER_07]: Like not like, not like they're like, this is cool. 29:00.957 --> 29:06.284 [SPEAKER_07]: I get texts and I'll screenshot them and I'm too all, you know, occasionally, but it's like, people are obsessed with it. 29:06.504 --> 29:10.108 [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's really, I tell the stories behind the songs and that's when you get out of a live show. 29:10.549 --> 29:17.717 [SPEAKER_07]: But there's people, if you think about people in Australia that are never gonna get to come see a free back-world live show, maybe, until I go there. 29:17.697 --> 29:19.639 [SPEAKER_07]: um, putting that out there. 29:19.659 --> 29:26.304 [SPEAKER_07]: And then they can hear the stories behind songs or how many songs do I get to play in 18? 29:26.485 --> 29:30.128 [SPEAKER_07]: How many songs are all my playlists in like 60-brie bagwell songs? 29:30.168 --> 29:32.950 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's like you get to hear the stories behind each one. 29:32.970 --> 29:43.219 [SPEAKER_07]: So I think it's very, it's what people want which at life shows to sometimes you get people that say, I love the stories and people that are like, show up and sing like you never know. 29:43.560 --> 29:46.422 [SPEAKER_07]: So the people that really like the behind the scenes, 29:46.402 --> 29:49.932 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that this is the perfect thing for them, like the real fans. 29:50.574 --> 29:51.216 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, awesome. 29:51.417 --> 29:56.251 [SPEAKER_02]: I, we've been surprised at how much it's taken off how quickly. 29:56.431 --> 29:59.179 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've just been trying to keep up with it. 29:59.294 --> 29:59.795 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, for sure. 30:00.075 --> 30:02.359 [SPEAKER_07]: So when you, so you're going to get advertisers. 30:02.420 --> 30:06.166 [SPEAKER_07]: Is that how you're going to make the ads that are in there in our very far? 30:06.928 --> 30:07.709 [SPEAKER_07]: I laugh at them. 30:08.050 --> 30:08.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I love those ads. 30:08.891 --> 30:13.740 [SPEAKER_02]: Those ads are the award-winning ads from the last 20 years or something like that. 30:13.780 --> 30:15.783 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wouldn't found the best ads I could. 30:15.823 --> 30:16.645 [SPEAKER_07]: They're amazing. 30:17.046 --> 30:19.189 [SPEAKER_07]: But that's eventually how you will get. 30:19.350 --> 30:22.315 [SPEAKER_07]: So if you want to advertise on play, Ella. 30:22.295 --> 30:22.936 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 30:22.956 --> 30:23.777 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not too soon. 30:24.077 --> 30:24.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Get it now. 30:24.758 --> 30:25.760 [SPEAKER_02]: It is not too soon. 30:25.840 --> 30:28.203 [SPEAKER_02]: We could absolutely use advertisers. 30:28.263 --> 30:32.409 [SPEAKER_02]: We could absolutely, and volunteers, if you want to volunteer, you can go to the website. 30:32.789 --> 30:38.097 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a bunch of volunteers and a new volunteer coordinator that's doing a great job. 30:38.197 --> 30:43.544 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of become people, people want musicians to get paid. 30:44.185 --> 30:48.731 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like people are frustrated that their money is not going to the artist. 30:48.751 --> 30:49.973 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, 30:49.953 --> 30:58.348 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I didn't really I thought that was some when when I start when I came up with the idea that was a negative like everybody I talked to about raising money. 30:58.388 --> 31:08.485 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like well you can't split it with the artist because the artist might pay for it You don't know so you have to figure out if the artist will pay for it first before we'll give you any money 31:08.465 --> 31:12.250 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's kind of why we bootstrapped it because I couldn't find anybody to give us. 31:13.051 --> 31:22.101 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, I was kind of had been taught to be sort of embarrassed and not say anything about the fact that we just want, like, it's all about artist baking money. 31:22.602 --> 31:26.467 [SPEAKER_02]: But now I'm like, alright, well, we've kind of got to figure it out. 31:26.487 --> 31:30.051 [SPEAKER_02]: So screw those people and we'll just keep at it. 31:30.031 --> 31:36.317 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think we walk this line of, you know, whenever I tell people about it, it's like, I don't want people to think that I'm poor because they don't think I'm successful. 31:36.737 --> 31:45.506 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm not poor, and my growth is very high, but my net is zero dollars, like because it's like, we make what we spend, and it's not, and we spend what we make, and it's not enough, ever. 31:45.846 --> 31:46.507 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not even close. 31:46.827 --> 31:47.988 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's not what it should be. 31:48.469 --> 31:53.233 [SPEAKER_07]: For example, Sony owns my schedule, so Sony owns everything that I recorded until 2015. 31:53.994 --> 31:56.376 [SPEAKER_07]: And when people find that out, they're like, 31:56.356 --> 32:00.241 [SPEAKER_07]: Plast for me, how much is it going to cost to record your catalog? 32:00.261 --> 32:08.411 [SPEAKER_07]: I want to write you a check and you're like, wow, they would never say things like that if they didn't know that that's what's happening or the other day I shared my jukebox royalties. 32:09.211 --> 32:11.534 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, get this 48 plays last month. 32:12.275 --> 32:14.278 [SPEAKER_07]: And I made less than 10 cents. 32:14.738 --> 32:17.782 [SPEAKER_07]: So you know to play a song on the jukebox, it's at least a dollar. 32:18.042 --> 32:18.803 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 32:19.036 --> 32:21.439 [SPEAKER_07]: So that from $48, I got less than 10 cents. 32:21.559 --> 32:26.244 [SPEAKER_07]: And people were like losing their minds on my Instagram, like, replying to my story. 32:26.384 --> 32:41.922 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was like, I wanna find the documentary maker to just make, just tell, it's like, all of these Nashville players, they're like protesting now because the, it's gotten so bad. 32:41.902 --> 32:52.800 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was saying, I wish I wanted them to just say, hey, here's I played on this song and here's how much I made because if they said that, people would be angry. 32:53.061 --> 32:53.421 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 32:53.441 --> 32:56.366 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, Rachel's on the number one song right now. 32:56.727 --> 32:57.248 [SPEAKER_02]: She made $300. 32:57.308 --> 33:02.897 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's with like, that's with a team that is cool and cares. 33:02.877 --> 33:07.141 [SPEAKER_07]: and cares and is going to probably list her on the credits of the song on Spotify and stuff. 33:07.161 --> 33:09.162 [SPEAKER_07]: We're like a lot of these people I think about that. 33:09.182 --> 33:14.767 [SPEAKER_07]: You create the signature guitar lick for a song that's an iconic song and you make $300. 33:14.787 --> 33:17.970 [SPEAKER_07]: Like that's just as much or songwriting credit. 33:18.270 --> 33:18.911 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 33:18.931 --> 33:27.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Rob McNally who like like defined a whole era of country music and when you think about the songs, you think about the lick that he played. 33:27.398 --> 33:32.462 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think about the tagline and he made a few hundred bucks on all those songs. 33:32.442 --> 33:47.943 [SPEAKER_07]: which is so wild because someone like me kind of takes advantage of that in terms of like we record all of our songs in one day in Nashville with the best players, but I feel like if you have worldwide success then that should go up as a player. 33:48.023 --> 33:57.977 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean you would think, you know, or we squeeze all mine into half a day so I can like get these great guys, but that's why it's me that they're getting the same pay for a worldwide hit that doesn't seem 33:57.957 --> 34:13.198 [SPEAKER_02]: It's because it's just monopolistic practices when they went from four labels to three labels we were living there when that happened and we kind of saw them go from okay used to be you'd make 34:13.178 --> 34:25.736 [SPEAKER_02]: four times eight times master scale, and that's how everybody competed to get the best players was the multiple of master, and they went from four major labels to three major labels, they just all said no more multiples of master scale. 34:25.877 --> 34:35.811 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody gets master scale, and everybody's been so now the most expensive drummer and the the best drummer Nashville and the worst number drummer Nashville make the same. 34:36.770 --> 34:38.252 [SPEAKER_07]: That's wild. 34:38.873 --> 34:47.143 [SPEAKER_07]: And you know what's also wild that now that they have the apps that create songs in five minutes, I count it. 34:47.524 --> 34:53.652 [SPEAKER_07]: I got nine Suno songs sent to me this week pitched to me and five of them were from people that are not songwriters. 34:54.292 --> 34:54.693 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 34:54.713 --> 35:00.360 [SPEAKER_07]: Everybody is just like, I can write songs now and they send it to me and I'm like, are you my dentist? 35:00.420 --> 35:01.982 [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm not, it's not my dentist. 35:02.002 --> 35:02.863 [SPEAKER_07]: Taylor, it's not you. 35:02.983 --> 35:06.608 [SPEAKER_07]: But like, it's so hilarious. 35:06.588 --> 35:10.234 [SPEAKER_07]: words in and then everybody, you know, I can't go be a mechanic. 35:10.334 --> 35:26.200 [SPEAKER_07]: I can't go be a national and our guy, but you can be a songwriter in an instant and that or and now, you know, when I used to cut demos, when I was at Sony, we do a demo session in 30 minutes and those musicians were some of the most amazing musicians I ever worked with. 35:26.240 --> 35:28.444 [SPEAKER_07]: And now like, the, the, 35:28.424 --> 35:29.827 [SPEAKER_07]: the AI for art. 35:29.927 --> 35:32.272 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, if it could get any harder. 35:32.312 --> 35:33.675 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 35:33.875 --> 35:38.905 [SPEAKER_02]: For us, I keep think it's it's got to get better from here and then it gets a little worse. 35:39.687 --> 35:40.088 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 35:40.148 --> 35:43.314 [SPEAKER_07]: We couldn't foresee that happening. 35:43.595 --> 35:47.142 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Rachel, when when that happened, Rachel was like, well, 35:47.122 --> 35:48.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did they always take our jobs? 35:49.424 --> 35:51.526 [SPEAKER_02]: Like can't they make a dish washer? 35:51.867 --> 35:53.829 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we're like no kidding. 35:54.189 --> 35:56.932 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, let's figure out the change of diaper on a baby. 35:56.952 --> 35:58.794 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know. 35:58.834 --> 36:05.561 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a strange world and I'm glad that we have one another to navigate it together with. 36:05.581 --> 36:06.121 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 36:06.322 --> 36:08.244 [SPEAKER_07]: I think I was telling Rachel like our music. 36:08.384 --> 36:16.572 [SPEAKER_07]: I talk about music a couple's therapy a lot in my podcast just because I think finding like minded people is so important. 36:16.552 --> 36:43.690 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so refreshed by that every time we go, and people that have been through, because you can't really talk to, you know, you can't really, you can't really, you can't really share it with somebody that hasn't been on the road because, um, 36:44.615 --> 37:13.255 [SPEAKER_02]: right like they they everybody they go hand in so for me it was like well I had to stop talking about any of that stress or anything because it was like the as soon as you start it just gives them there's like no you don't understand like I can I could go to a show and I could see 10,000 people singing all the words to my song but I made $2,000 total on that song and that was three quarters of my song paid for the year like right that people don't understand that 37:13.522 --> 37:17.229 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, or even just, my tires are $400 a piece on my RV. 37:18.411 --> 37:19.814 [SPEAKER_07]: The other day I was like, I'm sorry, how much? 37:20.135 --> 37:20.716 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, okay. 37:20.776 --> 37:21.457 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god. 37:21.818 --> 37:27.729 [SPEAKER_07]: And we're talking, like, your expenses go up and then the more famines you get, or we're talking to Will about how much is bus costs. 37:27.749 --> 37:31.557 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, I saw somebody that the day roll up and in two tour buses. 37:31.797 --> 37:32.779 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, 37:33.468 --> 37:59.745 [SPEAKER_07]: do that if I were you because the longevity of this money and you know at some point you don't want to be on the road and then if you if you don't own your own music and you don't have a way to make money then you're shifting and then you're don't have your identity more I mean it's like even the best case scenario I always say like I saw a legendary act the other day and someone was like oh so until it looks terrible like 37:59.725 --> 38:05.903 [SPEAKER_07]: The best case scenario you can play until you're old and then people are like, oh, the breakout will look's old and fast. 38:06.063 --> 38:08.892 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, they're still trying to do it. 38:09.393 --> 38:12.823 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's like the best case scenario like who wants to choose that? 38:13.242 --> 38:14.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true. 38:15.185 --> 38:15.686 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. 38:15.866 --> 38:19.412 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I always think about like Taylor Swift is going to have a eight. 38:19.432 --> 38:25.562 [SPEAKER_02]: She's going to peak and then how heartbreaking is that when she peep, would she has to go down to playing hockey stadiums? 38:26.704 --> 38:27.726 [SPEAKER_02]: That is going to be heartbreaking. 38:27.746 --> 38:33.776 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be just as heartbreaking as going up to playing hockey stadiums and then coming back down to theaters or whatever. 38:33.836 --> 38:35.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe more. 38:35.416 --> 38:38.561 [SPEAKER_07]: or not, or what does she choose to peek and not play it all? 38:39.222 --> 38:41.265 [SPEAKER_07]: Then she doesn't ever get to play again. 38:41.345 --> 38:42.967 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, and you're talking about Taylor Swift. 38:42.987 --> 38:44.329 [SPEAKER_07]: We're talking about the ultimate. 38:45.290 --> 38:49.196 [SPEAKER_07]: It's so you don't get to go through your company. 38:49.757 --> 38:51.900 [SPEAKER_07]: Work for 40 years, retire. 38:52.000 --> 38:59.972 [SPEAKER_07]: Everyone throws you a party, and then you get retirement money and benefits forever, and it's just like the greatest you got on top, and then you go live. 38:59.952 --> 39:22.095 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you wear your Jimmy Buffett shirts and go to our Margarita fills all over the world like you don't get that's not what happens in our business No, there's some hardbreak Built-in There's so much heart rate There's so much heart rate Oh my god coming and that's why like you know, but you you've told me a lot that 39:22.075 --> 39:36.051 [SPEAKER_07]: is important to make art and it's like we we are fighting the good fight and there's some days that I come to use a couple and I'm just so defeated and some days I'm on top of the world and someone else in the group is so defeated so maybe that's why it works is because we can all. 39:37.415 --> 39:38.136 [SPEAKER_07]: help each other. 39:38.217 --> 39:39.619 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so. 39:40.040 --> 39:40.701 [SPEAKER_07]: We need it. 39:41.082 --> 39:43.747 [SPEAKER_02]: It is so hard. 39:43.767 --> 39:45.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, it really is. 39:45.250 --> 39:46.973 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's crazy. 39:47.093 --> 39:48.336 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's hard for heroes. 39:48.416 --> 39:55.750 [SPEAKER_07]: It's hard for the people that inspired me, but it's hard for you to release that record, but I need you to do it because it's important. 39:56.190 --> 40:00.739 [SPEAKER_07]: You're a songwriters, songwriters, songwriters, like don't you think that by yourself? 40:01.208 --> 40:04.778 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, no, you should think that about yourself. 40:04.798 --> 40:10.654 [SPEAKER_02]: I think every time I write a song that is good, I think, okay, it's over. 40:10.955 --> 40:13.041 [SPEAKER_02]: I got lucky again, and now it's done. 40:14.404 --> 40:16.129 [SPEAKER_02]: But totally. 40:16.278 --> 40:24.986 [SPEAKER_07]: I kind of think that too, or sometimes I'll like, but mine's the other way, where I'm like, I can't get something good, and I forgot, I forgot how to do this. 40:25.006 --> 40:32.192 [SPEAKER_07]: I always feel like songs are already, what helps me is I feel like songs are already there, and then it's my job to just kind of like put the pieces together. 40:32.413 --> 40:33.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:33.574 --> 40:34.655 [SPEAKER_07]: That helps me a little bit. 40:34.855 --> 40:35.515 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:35.536 --> 40:41.801 [SPEAKER_07]: All is not, he's not in the same thing of songs or, he's not as witchy as me or whatever. 40:41.841 --> 40:44.884 [SPEAKER_07]: How do you feel about songs? 40:45.522 --> 40:50.047 [SPEAKER_07]: from the universe, so they from inside, you're brilliant mind. 40:51.428 --> 41:09.387 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're kind of from the universe, and I think that you, I think that your job is to get your, uh, is to get your left brain out of the picture and just 41:10.835 --> 41:33.703 [SPEAKER_02]: feel it and the more you I feel like you learn all the mechanics of writing a song over the years and from writing hundreds of hundreds of songs and then when you really write a good one you're not thinking at all about the mechanics or what key it's in or what number that court is or any of that you're just like 41:33.683 --> 41:40.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Feeling it and letting it come out and yeah, that's feels like the the process for me. 41:40.072 --> 41:43.878 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the main thing like the The that makes sense. 41:43.978 --> 41:49.806 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you feel I'm going to this thing now where I'm I don't know what's good anymore Do you ever have that happen to you? 41:50.227 --> 41:50.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh. 41:50.948 --> 42:03.606 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like I'm like this could be the worse song or it could be The best song which is kind of why I have to have you know I Reliant Rachel a lot for that as a sounding board of like is this 42:03.772 --> 42:05.850 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, cause you're too close to it. 42:07.130 --> 42:34.074 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, to me, it's cheesy, but it's like to me, writing a song is like you have this feeling and you're making this box to put the feeling in and then you give the box to other people and they open it and if it's a good song, then they feel exactly what you felt or more and if it's not a good song, then they don't feel anything. 42:34.154 --> 42:37.137 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it all leaked out on the way to them. 42:37.117 --> 42:53.370 [SPEAKER_02]: To me it's like when you open the box you you usually feel what you felt at the time because you felt it in the first place And then, but the question is like whether other people can feel it and then there's all these tricks for getting the to feel it But to me that's why a eyes never really gonna 42:53.350 --> 43:01.478 [SPEAKER_02]: really going to work because it is just about the box and not about what's inside of the box. 43:01.498 --> 43:08.585 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it gets lucky and accidentally gets a little bit of things that we're inside of all the things that it's stole from to make that box. 43:09.165 --> 43:12.869 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's enough there that you feel something, but that's just luck. 43:13.009 --> 43:19.175 [SPEAKER_02]: It's never like, it doesn't have a feeling to put inside of this thing. 43:19.235 --> 43:20.016 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just 43:21.211 --> 43:31.265 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I love that because I did hear as soon as song that was like, I think she kind of had kind of a, you know, like a Heather Morgan Lee and woman kind of voice where it was really a beautiful voice. 43:31.786 --> 43:31.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 43:32.287 --> 43:34.830 [SPEAKER_07]: It was not, it was still not good. 43:34.990 --> 43:35.531 [SPEAKER_07]: It sounded great. 43:35.551 --> 43:37.173 [SPEAKER_07]: It was still just not right. 43:37.414 --> 43:40.418 [SPEAKER_07]: The person that sent it probably was like, wow, this is amazing. 43:40.879 --> 43:48.349 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what I wonder about, you know, with radio and what I think you're kind of championing, which makes somebody like me very happy because 43:48.329 --> 44:04.633 [SPEAKER_07]: sometimes the music that's coming out of the big labels is less and like there's a lot of really good stuff coming out in Nashville right now but um there was a period where it was just the box for me and there was nothing but they was the repetition I think of the radio. 44:04.613 --> 44:05.735 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 44:05.915 --> 44:06.095 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 44:06.456 --> 44:06.896 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. 44:07.036 --> 44:07.557 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 44:07.597 --> 44:27.766 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, um, they, in the early 2000s, they realized that, okay, if we, that we have this radio algorithm that just makes things popular and we could put any kind of crap through it that we want to, as long as we box everything out that's great, we can put our cheap product in there and, and it will, and it will be great. 44:27.927 --> 44:33.034 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think I just think that's a giant part of it is that like, we've had 44:33.014 --> 44:44.593 [SPEAKER_02]: 20 years these kids that are kids have grown up entirely in this system that's just made to feed you stuff is not very good yeah and I don't know how to 44:45.097 --> 44:51.468 [SPEAKER_07]: Even if I was going to try to write something that just sounded like a hit, I don't know how to do that. 44:51.488 --> 45:02.047 [SPEAKER_07]: I never figured that out and I was wondering because when I had my publishing deal, I remember them saying like, okay, tractor songs are like everyone go write a tractor song because I was like a big deal. 45:02.107 --> 45:09.079 [SPEAKER_07]: And I wrote a tractor song called Dear John Deere, but like I remember looking around and thinking none of these people have even seen a tractor. 45:09.059 --> 45:19.221 [SPEAKER_07]: And then today, I was like, I wonder if that's what happened with you with with Helsing about mine, was that probably probably broke those around the same time. 45:19.241 --> 45:19.903 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 45:19.923 --> 45:24.553 [SPEAKER_07]: When it was like, you better write a tractor song and then here comes a radio and it was just like. 45:25.495 --> 45:27.958 [SPEAKER_07]: tractors and it's like, what? 45:28.158 --> 45:53.967 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was me and me and Adam, we got together to write and I think earlier in the day, he had written with a rich guy that wanted to write about being grown up poor and I had written with a girl that grew up in New York or something that wanted to write about growing up in a small town and they both mentioned wanting to write tractor songs and said then we wrote that instead. 45:54.014 --> 45:56.882 [SPEAKER_07]: Wow, came a huge hit for Josh Abbott. 45:57.022 --> 46:01.395 [SPEAKER_07]: I love that song, I love Adam Hood's version, I love that song, I love your version of that song. 46:01.796 --> 46:09.036 [SPEAKER_07]: And then the other song, I heard the other day, and I was like, I totally, I was singing every word, because I, I, 46:09.016 --> 46:11.502 [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, Core Moro was like, you're singing every word. 46:11.582 --> 46:12.785 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's a brain keen song. 46:13.427 --> 46:15.011 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, grow old with the ear. 46:15.271 --> 46:16.635 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's it. 46:16.695 --> 46:17.557 [SPEAKER_02]: We wrote that together. 46:17.597 --> 46:19.221 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you wrote that with Core. 46:19.381 --> 46:20.765 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't know that. 46:20.785 --> 46:21.807 [SPEAKER_02]: That was really fun. 46:21.847 --> 46:24.173 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I told him that was a brain keen song and he laughed. 46:24.338 --> 46:26.623 [SPEAKER_07]: so it's because you wrote it together. 46:26.903 --> 46:28.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, totally totally. 46:28.367 --> 46:30.291 [SPEAKER_07]: That makes sense now. 46:30.471 --> 46:31.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, that's great. 46:31.453 --> 46:33.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you wrote some really love that. 46:33.377 --> 46:33.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 46:34.079 --> 46:35.422 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, he did laugh like he knew. 46:35.462 --> 46:36.664 [SPEAKER_07]: He thought I was joking. 46:36.684 --> 46:37.967 [SPEAKER_07]: So we'll describe him. 46:38.388 --> 46:41.354 [SPEAKER_07]: Kormo is he has a play with station now or he's going to. 46:41.374 --> 46:42.076 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does. 46:42.256 --> 46:43.579 [SPEAKER_02]: He does his life. 46:43.559 --> 46:43.879 [SPEAKER_07]: Good. 46:44.380 --> 46:45.962 [SPEAKER_07]: He's really, really great man. 46:46.003 --> 46:53.533 [SPEAKER_07]: And then, um, what are a couple of the Randy songs that you've written for my guitar player who's listening, who's a big ol' way? 46:53.553 --> 47:00.864 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, just, um, I wrote, we wrote, um, uh, I don't have hits because I've got standards. 47:00.884 --> 47:01.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Sanders. 47:01.445 --> 47:01.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes. 47:02.426 --> 47:04.369 [SPEAKER_02]: We, that was, that was really fun. 47:04.349 --> 47:09.716 [SPEAKER_07]: that is great and you're just such a great songwriter and they just love being your friend. 47:09.756 --> 47:11.839 [SPEAKER_07]: And thanks for letting me come to your house. 47:11.879 --> 47:20.591 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to talk, I asked Rachel about her Mexico experience, but before we leave, I want to hear about your Mexico experience because I forget that this is going to come out at different times. 47:20.671 --> 47:25.138 [SPEAKER_07]: But one day Rachel and Brian just said, we're moving to Mexico for six months. 47:25.358 --> 47:30.185 [SPEAKER_07]: And Paul Eason and I were like, we can't be friends anymore because we were so jealous. 47:30.585 --> 47:32.668 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you guys. 47:32.648 --> 47:56.732 [SPEAKER_07]: equally as happy as we were jealous for you, which is a lot, but that to me is like the pit of me of you and Rachel are always very open about where you are in your life and what's going on and like you you are like let's just go to Mexico or like this is unfair for artists let's just create our own app like you're very like aware of the problems and you're not 47:56.712 --> 47:57.893 [SPEAKER_07]: not like you were having problems. 47:57.933 --> 47:58.414 [SPEAKER_07]: That's not what I mean. 47:58.434 --> 48:00.396 [SPEAKER_07]: But like you're aware of like you need a change. 48:00.436 --> 48:00.977 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go. 48:01.618 --> 48:02.979 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go to Mexico for six months. 48:03.940 --> 48:05.002 [SPEAKER_07]: What? 48:05.022 --> 48:05.943 [SPEAKER_07]: What did that look like? 48:06.163 --> 48:07.485 [SPEAKER_07]: And how did that come about? 48:07.545 --> 48:09.767 [SPEAKER_07]: And like, what an amazing experience. 48:10.048 --> 48:11.169 [SPEAKER_02]: It was awesome. 48:11.209 --> 48:23.243 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to we got, we took the kids on like a regular vacation and at some point me and Rachel just kind of like the night each other and we're like, I don't, I don't think we should do this again. 48:23.223 --> 48:44.623 [SPEAKER_02]: it's so much pressure like you spend all this money and there's all this pressure to have fun in four days or whatever and um and yeah and I had just gotten at my job they just put me as in the head of a team of Argentinians 48:44.603 --> 48:49.510 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were all speaking English for me, but they were super stressed out speaking English. 48:50.211 --> 48:54.918 [SPEAKER_02]: And now these be great English, but at the time they were just getting started. 48:55.519 --> 49:04.371 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I went to a meeting late and they were all speaking Spanish and they were super relaxed and super cool, making jokes and stuff. 49:04.431 --> 49:07.776 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, okay, somebody just translate for me. 49:09.038 --> 49:15.706 [SPEAKER_02]: y'all stay in Spanish and then talk to Rachel on that vacation. 49:15.726 --> 49:19.490 [SPEAKER_02]: We were just like, what if we just moved to that originally we wanted to move Puerto Rico? 49:20.532 --> 49:26.098 [SPEAKER_02]: But then we got some advice that that for the work we were doing and stuff, Mexico might be better. 49:26.198 --> 49:32.406 [SPEAKER_02]: So when we moved down to Mexico for six months, took our three kids, put them in school down there, no English. 49:32.446 --> 49:33.046 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. 49:33.107 --> 49:34.989 [SPEAKER_02]: They hated us so much. 49:35.089 --> 49:36.330 [SPEAKER_02]: The kids hated us so much. 49:36.571 --> 49:37.712 [SPEAKER_02]: The 49:37.692 --> 49:39.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, it was great. 49:39.615 --> 49:44.684 [SPEAKER_02]: It was the hardest thing I think I've ever done. 49:44.704 --> 49:52.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, because it's it's it was ten times harder than I expected it to be. 49:53.065 --> 49:55.649 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but that's the way to do it is just go dive in. 49:55.709 --> 50:03.480 [SPEAKER_07]: And I remember you were like, I think the thing is, when people start talking, I just nod, if they talked to Fatsur, say non-sail, I'll see you. 50:03.500 --> 50:04.982 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 50:05.002 --> 50:06.364 [SPEAKER_07]: Act like you know what they're saying. 50:06.485 --> 50:08.047 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was a long way. 50:08.207 --> 50:10.671 [SPEAKER_02]: The like lying with my face, that was really hard. 50:10.831 --> 50:12.093 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, I'm a terrible liar. 50:12.253 --> 50:14.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. 50:14.036 --> 50:19.123 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, but I would show them that I wasn't understanding, and there's like, 50:19.103 --> 50:23.308 [SPEAKER_02]: and everything stops and then they spend like five minutes getting you to understand. 50:23.569 --> 50:32.180 [SPEAKER_02]: But when reality, if the conversation goes on, you just kind of figure it out a little bit later and then you figure out what was being talked about before. 50:32.220 --> 50:37.967 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to learn, you kind of have to pretend that you're understanding, but it's horrifying. 50:38.287 --> 50:39.248 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so scary. 50:39.309 --> 50:40.390 [SPEAKER_07]: It's so scary. 50:40.470 --> 50:46.798 [SPEAKER_07]: And I even know enough Spanish where I feel and then I go down to Mexico and then I'll speak a little. 50:46.778 --> 50:50.842 [SPEAKER_07]: and then people will go 90 miles now, 90 miles a day. 50:50.862 --> 51:10.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Right back at me, and I would be like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 51:10.083 --> 51:14.930 [SPEAKER_02]: You get, I'm sure if you heard yourself a year ago, two years ago, you would be really happy. 51:15.491 --> 51:15.992 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 51:16.653 --> 51:21.260 [SPEAKER_02]: But the further, I mean, I'm at a crazy frustrating. 51:21.640 --> 51:30.133 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess I'm being, I'm in the middle of B1 right now, and it's so frustrating because I can have conversations, but not interesting conversations. 51:30.502 --> 51:38.215 [SPEAKER_07]: Or what about, if you talk to somebody in Mexico, I told Paul this, like, I almost never use real English. 51:39.217 --> 51:46.709 [SPEAKER_07]: I am constantly talking in crazy voices or slang or like, I'll be like, you'd have to throw, throw, throw, throw, throw. 51:46.729 --> 51:51.497 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, what if someone is talking in Spanish, the way that I talk in English, I would never understand what they're saying? 51:51.562 --> 51:52.803 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's Puerto Rico. 51:53.364 --> 51:53.624 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 51:53.704 --> 51:58.309 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the first two days in Puerto Rico whenever we go, I can't understand anything. 51:58.369 --> 52:00.931 [SPEAKER_02]: And then like the third day, I can get by. 52:01.071 --> 52:03.894 [SPEAKER_07]: Or like, my impulse all the time, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? 52:04.295 --> 52:04.775 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 52:04.795 --> 52:05.516 [SPEAKER_07]: You know what I'm saying? 52:05.656 --> 52:07.558 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you're not going, you know what I'm saying. 52:07.678 --> 52:11.562 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's like, if people do anything that, like I do in English, I have no chance. 52:11.582 --> 52:14.565 [SPEAKER_07]: So we have to get ourselves a little bit of a break. 52:14.585 --> 52:16.827 [SPEAKER_07]: Cause it is not duelinggo. 52:16.807 --> 52:19.090 [SPEAKER_07]: talking slowly. 52:19.912 --> 52:21.954 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not like that in life. 52:21.975 --> 52:23.336 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's so funny. 52:23.377 --> 52:27.823 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was like you hit a point and then you understand. 52:28.204 --> 52:35.334 [SPEAKER_02]: And then instead it's like you start out in this fog and you can't see anything and then you get to where you can see a little bit and then you can see more. 52:35.374 --> 52:39.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I can see like 70% but 52:39.520 --> 52:43.187 [SPEAKER_02]: Only being able to see 70% is still frustrating. 52:43.207 --> 52:45.933 [SPEAKER_07]: And you're not practicing every day, like, yeah, I know. 52:46.133 --> 52:55.993 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, what is your hope for play all in terms of if people are listening, you need to get on the app or get on the waiting list, but you're a hope. 52:55.973 --> 52:56.334 [SPEAKER_07]: here. 52:56.354 --> 52:57.436 [SPEAKER_07]: Let me tell you what your hope is. 52:58.498 --> 52:59.139 [SPEAKER_07]: What is your hope? 52:59.500 --> 53:00.141 [SPEAKER_07]: Let me tell you what. 53:00.201 --> 53:01.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Please, please. 53:01.203 --> 53:13.527 [SPEAKER_07]: It was really fun to hear you talk about your hope wanting that to be our like side hustle as artists that pays us substantially. 53:13.507 --> 53:37.303 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that is so like a Brian King move to where it's, you know, it's really smart it's really good but it's very selfless like you're doing all of this work to help your friends kind of well it is but it's I mean that's my heart is there but also to have the brutal business side it's really good business 53:37.283 --> 53:37.844 [SPEAKER_02]: to have. 53:39.287 --> 53:43.075 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, it's all about having all of the interest aligned. 53:43.295 --> 53:47.945 [SPEAKER_02]: So what the artist does is good for the business and what the business is good for the artist. 53:47.965 --> 53:56.643 [SPEAKER_02]: And then if we have like open source where developers could build stuff on the outside, it's like, well, we want if they build something good, we want that to be in their best interest. 53:56.683 --> 53:57.705 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's all about 53:57.685 --> 54:22.487 [SPEAKER_02]: a lining all the interest so it's not like totally altruistic but it that's definitely my dream is that like um but the the dream of the whole thing is that we can stop all of y'all having to be excellent what you do, kill it, get successful and then also on the side find a way to make a living at the same time. 54:22.667 --> 54:25.950 [SPEAKER_07]: Or think about how many radio tours did you go on? 54:26.231 --> 54:27.692 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you go on? 54:27.672 --> 54:29.914 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and I went on two big ones. 54:29.995 --> 54:35.621 [SPEAKER_07]: The first time I did 60 stations in six weeks, and this is when I was also playing shows on the road. 54:36.061 --> 54:36.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 54:37.082 --> 54:43.589 [SPEAKER_07]: And then I would go, and those were the first two big mental breakdowns of my life happened because it was Sunday. 54:43.669 --> 54:47.473 [SPEAKER_07]: Whenever I get home, I drop the band off on Sunday, and then I drive to wherever I had to be Monday morning. 54:47.493 --> 54:49.155 [SPEAKER_07]: And then I would do radio Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. 54:49.596 --> 54:52.058 [SPEAKER_07]: Then go back out on the road Thursday for I sat at end to that for six weeks. 54:52.158 --> 54:53.680 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was just like, 54:53.660 --> 54:56.803 [SPEAKER_07]: Driving by myself to all of these places across Texas. 54:56.843 --> 55:01.467 [SPEAKER_07]: Like that doesn't you don't do that people don't do that anymore And you did it is brutal. 55:01.727 --> 55:11.336 [SPEAKER_07]: It's totally brutal and you're there for like 15 minutes And I don't know if you experience this, but my first radio tour people kind of don't They're like ah, she won't be back. 55:11.356 --> 55:12.957 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, they like dismiss you. 55:13.297 --> 55:21.945 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, now I'm all best friends with all the Radio DJs or whatever, but I don't have to go see him anymore, but like that was a real like I wish this would have been around 55:21.925 --> 55:25.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I remember Craig Vaughn, who's working with us now. 55:26.110 --> 55:37.623 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember my first radio tour, it being rough and being just dismissed everywhere, and then Craig beat it so sweet and he listened to the record and he's like, play the whole record into the music. 55:37.883 --> 55:40.686 [SPEAKER_07]: But you drove 12 hours to get to Amarillo for him to do that. 55:41.006 --> 55:41.667 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 55:41.747 --> 55:42.909 [SPEAKER_02]: Texas is so. 55:43.830 --> 55:51.358 [SPEAKER_02]: I slept in the back of a little Subaru station wagon that I, old like early 90s Subaru station wagon that I did that whole tour in. 55:51.338 --> 55:54.926 [SPEAKER_07]: Paul did a radio tour, and I can't remember, is it Saber? 55:55.127 --> 55:55.929 [SPEAKER_07]: Is it Saber a car? 55:57.292 --> 55:57.973 [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to kill me. 55:58.414 --> 56:02.524 [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, it was some sort of big car. 56:03.025 --> 56:05.591 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so not, you know, whatever, and these slept in them. 56:05.872 --> 56:06.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 56:06.914 --> 56:19.666 [SPEAKER_07]: And that, I mean, that was, I didn't do that, but I couldn't, I'm a chick, but, um, that was how we did it in the old days to go get to the old days to go get play on radio. 56:19.746 --> 56:22.368 [SPEAKER_02]: It was old days, yeah, that's wild. 56:22.929 --> 56:23.570 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally wild. 56:23.690 --> 56:25.571 [SPEAKER_07]: And then you're doing it. 56:25.591 --> 56:26.432 [SPEAKER_07]: He's doing it actually. 56:26.472 --> 56:27.333 [SPEAKER_07]: That was driving around. 56:27.854 --> 56:32.798 [SPEAKER_02]: That was, it feels like that was the end of like an era where you could do that. 56:33.078 --> 56:33.279 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 56:33.339 --> 56:35.240 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can't do it now, but it's harder. 56:35.301 --> 56:35.841 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like, 56:35.821 --> 56:43.633 [SPEAKER_07]: it's so much harder, so thanks for trying to level the playing field for those of us that just man, I don't want to drive it. 56:43.753 --> 56:46.938 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to drive 12 hours to do 15 minutes on radio anymore. 56:46.978 --> 56:49.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure. 56:49.522 --> 56:51.165 [SPEAKER_07]: Boy, do I not, and I don't. 56:51.626 --> 56:56.133 [SPEAKER_07]: So, thank you everyone for still playing my music and and get on play Ola. 56:56.353 --> 56:58.496 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't have to drive anywhere for play Ola. 56:58.516 --> 57:00.900 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that's my new station's tagline. 57:00.965 --> 57:04.592 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't have to drive anywhere for you to listen to this station. 57:04.612 --> 57:08.018 [SPEAKER_07]: I do it from, I'm in my bedroom, heading my dog. 57:08.359 --> 57:09.000 [SPEAKER_07]: Enjoy. 57:09.040 --> 57:10.002 [SPEAKER_07]: Is that it? 57:10.643 --> 57:11.064 [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome. 57:11.264 --> 57:12.467 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, thanks so much. 57:12.507 --> 57:16.474 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just, you're such an amazing songwriter and person. 57:16.534 --> 57:17.196 [SPEAKER_07]: You're so kind. 57:17.596 --> 57:19.881 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think I've ever seen you without a smile on your face. 57:20.682 --> 57:21.724 [SPEAKER_07]: I've yet to. 57:21.704 --> 57:26.629 [SPEAKER_02]: It happens, it happens more often with the running start-up than it did before. 57:26.929 --> 57:31.114 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well it's very cool and you can also build, I've seen you build a deck. 57:31.134 --> 57:39.142 [SPEAKER_07]: I've seen you be a great dad, I've seen you write great songs and now I can't wait to sell but you're in your record that's coming out because selfishly that's what I want. 57:40.443 --> 57:50.614 [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to get someone to write a play-o-l-a-check that's going to cover all the mixing and a play-o sponsorship email, Brian at play-o-lfm.com, is that right? 57:50.594 --> 57:53.218 [SPEAKER_02]: It is play all the dot-of-a-fem, yeah. 57:53.238 --> 57:54.099 [SPEAKER_07]: Wow, okay. 57:54.439 --> 57:55.120 [SPEAKER_07]: Something like that. 57:55.180 --> 57:56.622 [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for joining me, friend. 57:56.803 --> 57:57.323 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. 57:57.383 --> 57:58.365 [SPEAKER_00]: This is good to see you. 57:58.425 --> 57:58.925 [SPEAKER_07]: Good to see you. 57:59.166 --> 57:59.566 [SPEAKER_07]: Adios. 58:00.247 --> 58:02.550 [SPEAKER_00]: You sure is good to see you. 58:03.472 --> 58:06.015 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been long, long, long, long. 58:06.216 --> 58:09.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Must be six or seven years now. 58:10.241 --> 58:12.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Since I last saw you smile. 58:12.765 --> 58:16.630 [SPEAKER_00]: And now there's gray hair at my temples. 58:16.650 --> 58:18.913 [SPEAKER_00]: There's new times on your face. 58:21.188 --> 58:42.994 [SPEAKER_00]: We still look the same Latham that I saw you It was a hardness in your eyes And our warm pillows are given way To have hard-earned good vibes I say, 58:46.552 --> 58:56.516 [SPEAKER_00]: While the sun is in my eyes, I'm under bar lights, I can't remember why. 58:56.536 --> 59:02.029 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm under bar lights, It's only good to see you. 59:16.302 --> 59:21.553 [SPEAKER_01]: All them slaves and scars, they just disappeared