WEBVTT 00:03.187 --> 00:18.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Grayson Gilbert, the hairy king and personal trainer slash coach, is on that's a gay ass podcast Grayson, how is your gay day going as a boring and straight or gay as hell? 00:19.071 --> 00:20.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's pretty gay as hell. 00:20.393 --> 00:21.194 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty gay as hell. 00:21.214 --> 00:23.878 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a, I had a client. 00:24.280 --> 00:25.502 [SPEAKER_00]: know show me today. 00:25.542 --> 00:27.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 00:28.507 --> 00:31.653 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, guys, how gay is help. 00:32.054 --> 00:45.457 [SPEAKER_01]: To start with a controversial question, because you grace in our no stranger to controversy, there's a video of you driving and singing to Kelly Clarkson, which of course we love, but you're eating a sweet potato like it's a pop tart. 00:45.757 --> 00:48.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Grayson, what the fuck is going on? 00:48.783 --> 00:51.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, stupid totals are amazing. 00:51.426 --> 01:16.598 [SPEAKER_00]: As is Kelly Clarkson that album, um, I had a client just like briefly mentioned the album break away and was like if you have a if you have not listened to that you need to give it a listen and then I'm not kidding, I listen to shit like until my ears are bleeding and I can't stand listening to it anymore and I was listening to that album probably like for three weeks non stop straight. 01:16.978 --> 01:18.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and 01:18.500 --> 01:24.375 [SPEAKER_00]: This sweet potato, I'm on Lake of Neil Plan and it involves a lot of sweet potatoes. 01:24.575 --> 01:33.706 [SPEAKER_00]: And the best thing for me to do is slice them in half, put them in the oven, and then just eat them eat them like a hot dog is what I like to think about it. 01:34.326 --> 01:34.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 01:35.808 --> 01:39.612 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that you're on the right side of history for Kelly Clarkson. 01:39.712 --> 01:43.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I think behind these hazel eyes is a personal anthem. 01:44.118 --> 01:50.565 [SPEAKER_01]: But the sweet potato part of it, I fucking love with sweet potato, but to eat it in the car like that, I do find to be. 01:50.545 --> 01:51.106 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:51.146 --> 01:52.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Somewhat against the grain. 01:52.448 --> 01:54.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we putting anything on the sweet potato? 01:54.170 --> 01:54.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we going raw? 01:54.871 --> 01:55.432 [SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing? 01:56.273 --> 02:07.309 [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing like a little bit of molten salt, but by the time I've, but by the time I've gotten to this sweet potato, it's not, it's not giving me that like, that crunchy goodness that I need. 02:07.349 --> 02:16.182 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really, it's, it's actually, that's the only sad part is that I don't get that little molten salt crunch because I'm not going to carry around 02:17.022 --> 02:17.663 [SPEAKER_01]: What would be that? 02:17.683 --> 02:18.283 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that three. 02:18.364 --> 02:19.905 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where you draw the line. 02:20.406 --> 02:28.195 [SPEAKER_01]: For the girls that are maybe curious about what sweet potato is doing for our diets, can you tell me like why you have to eat so many of them? 02:28.215 --> 02:33.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm down to eat more sweet potatoes and if there's an excuse that it's healthy, God bless. 02:33.962 --> 02:38.327 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's just a really great carb source and it's very easily digestible. 02:38.847 --> 02:42.051 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, yeah, it's it's stellar. 02:42.605 --> 02:55.625 [SPEAKER_01]: stellar sweet tastes, but you know what, Grayson, you are stellar in so many things that you put out on the internet, but also in your mission, you're helping gay guys sort of fix their relationship to fitness. 02:56.026 --> 03:10.047 [SPEAKER_01]: You also have a crazy history of having what, long hair, but I want to go even further back and ask you the famous podcast question, which is Grayson Gilbert, 03:10.027 --> 03:17.779 [SPEAKER_00]: There are, oh wow, um, there is a lot of, I'm, I really want to say Emma Bunton. 03:19.762 --> 03:20.543 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I say more. 03:20.563 --> 03:24.449 [SPEAKER_00]: What is her all to say? 03:24.469 --> 03:26.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Spice girl. 03:27.814 --> 03:29.217 [SPEAKER_00]: These spice girl. 03:29.237 --> 03:36.608 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I, I think because I've the younger sibling and I always appreciate how just like, 03:37.668 --> 03:40.592 [SPEAKER_00]: She just seems like she was just really sweet and just got away with everything. 03:41.713 --> 03:47.721 [SPEAKER_00]: I also loved the blonde, everyone on my family were all really darkheaded, and I just liked the platinum blonde. 03:48.462 --> 03:58.174 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a specific part of, there was like a documentary of them doing like the spice world. 03:58.475 --> 04:00.557 [SPEAKER_00]: performance like tour like starting the tour. 04:00.757 --> 04:03.380 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like an instant bowl or something and they're like rehearsing for it. 04:04.041 --> 04:25.984 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's sitting at a table during like a break and she's just having like noodles with like Parmesan cheese on it and like butter and that's it and she goes that song. 04:25.964 --> 04:44.277 [SPEAKER_01]: it's obviously for the girls listening who aren't remembering Emma of course is baby spice obviously is like kids sister vibes I'm finding out in my Google search that as of January of this year she is 50 years old baby spice is 50 how did that happen 04:44.257 --> 04:52.888 [SPEAKER_00]: So, how old was she then whenever I was, so I was like, this was like 1996 that I was 1997. 04:53.008 --> 04:55.911 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how old she was then, but that just was like 20 then. 04:56.052 --> 04:56.873 [SPEAKER_01]: She was like 20 then. 04:56.913 --> 04:57.554 [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. 04:58.134 --> 04:59.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's just, I mean, that's crazy. 04:59.957 --> 05:06.805 [SPEAKER_01]: How I don't even want to know, I don't want to know when the Kelly Clarkson album came out break away because I'm sure that'll be a devastating year. 05:06.785 --> 05:19.623 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that as far as answers go for whose fault Emma is actually a stellar because she's bringing out the parts of you that are baby like are you saying that you maybe as a kid? 05:19.723 --> 05:21.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you were the youngest of your siblings, is that what I'm hearing? 05:22.768 --> 05:26.934 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I have two older sisters, one's half, but then I'm what the youngest of the three of us. 05:26.954 --> 05:27.274 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:28.030 --> 05:34.721 [SPEAKER_01]: do you agree with the theory that gay boys who only have sisters had no chance in being straight? 05:34.861 --> 05:37.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sort of hearing across the board if you had a lot. 05:37.425 --> 05:45.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I did just interview actually Kieran Moore who is in boots and he's in the movie called blue film and he's talking about hot and hairy. 05:46.239 --> 05:49.705 [SPEAKER_01]: He is straight, but he comes from a bunch of women, but he's one of the only straights I know. 05:49.825 --> 05:54.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the other people with only sisters are like huge, 05:55.267 --> 05:58.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think there was, I don't, I don't think there was a chance for me. 05:58.112 --> 06:06.966 [SPEAKER_00]: Like my dad is my dad's an artist, he's a glassblower, and then we're all really like wrong, very like sensitive emotional people. 06:07.186 --> 06:13.156 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, there was, there was no way that I was going to not, not, not be a forgotten. 06:13.356 --> 06:14.338 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just, 06:15.533 --> 06:16.314 [SPEAKER_00]: It was destined. 06:16.334 --> 06:17.075 [SPEAKER_00]: It was absolutely destined. 06:17.256 --> 06:19.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I do love a glass blowing dad. 06:19.099 --> 06:20.120 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very chic. 06:20.221 --> 06:23.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you then set the stage with we're giving a, okay, girls. 06:24.147 --> 06:29.816 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the young gay son, dad's glass blowing is a giving New Mexico. 06:29.876 --> 06:31.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it giving Pacific Northwest? 06:31.719 --> 06:33.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it just a garage in Chicago? 06:33.462 --> 06:34.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Where are we? 06:34.923 --> 06:40.749 [SPEAKER_00]: We are in the Florida Panhandle in the hot blazing sun in the humidity of it all. 06:41.450 --> 07:00.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even it was, is it I mean he was like doing He was like so I was born in Panama City Florida and that's where I was raised until I was like five or six and then we moved to County over when he opened up an art gallery in this little town called C site and 07:01.147 --> 07:17.417 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like at this store called Alvin's Island, making little like glass blowing, little dolphins and mermaids and little like, you know, trinkets and chockeys and stuff, just for all that, you know, all the redneck tourists coming down from Alabama and Georgia, and then at all. 07:17.701 --> 07:20.447 [SPEAKER_00]: The area kind of blew up, he opened up this beautiful gallery. 07:20.467 --> 07:26.980 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, him and my mom were in their gallery, and it's still, it's still kick it. 07:27.000 --> 07:36.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we that's incredibly chic because to have an artist of a dad who also became an entrepreneur, I mean, dare I say, that's living the dream. 07:36.078 --> 07:40.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Because also, I have this weird kindness to that part of Florida. 07:40.223 --> 08:05.292 [SPEAKER_01]: My husband is from Georgia, from Atlanta, and every single summer his family goes to Amelia Island, so the northeastern part of Florida off of Jacksonville, and I've heard so much about seaside, Panama City, they all went to University of Alabama, so I very much am accustomed to 08:05.272 --> 08:06.133 [SPEAKER_01]: giving artists. 08:06.193 --> 08:06.473 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 08:06.493 --> 08:10.558 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like very, it's very chic for a straight man to be making glass dolphins. 08:10.938 --> 08:12.500 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's cute as it is. 08:12.780 --> 08:14.682 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a wonderful. 08:15.503 --> 08:19.147 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so nice because I my Florida geography is hard. 08:19.548 --> 08:19.928 [SPEAKER_00]: It's awful. 08:20.088 --> 08:22.211 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know much about like anywhere south. 08:22.231 --> 08:25.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have I really except for last year was my first time going to Miami. 08:26.495 --> 08:28.798 [SPEAKER_00]: My parents when I was growing up were like, we are 08:28.778 --> 08:30.961 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to see any more of Florida. 08:31.382 --> 08:34.486 [SPEAKER_00]: My fans, both my parents are from the Panhandle. 08:35.007 --> 08:37.550 [SPEAKER_00]: Their entire family is from the Panhandle. 08:37.631 --> 08:49.507 [SPEAKER_00]: There's literally my dad, so one of my dad's family tree, did a family tree of the Gilbert line going all the way back to like 1740 in the Florida Panhandle. 08:50.108 --> 08:53.453 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm florety and like I'm like wow. 08:53.770 --> 08:55.715 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like in trash through and through. 08:55.735 --> 08:56.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, through. 08:56.878 --> 09:00.546 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like a swamp which like down. 09:01.669 --> 09:11.914 [SPEAKER_00]: But my parents growing up, they were like always taking us to different places around the country like we would go to Seattle and Santa Fe and you know, we went to 09:11.894 --> 09:15.300 [SPEAKER_00]: We were to Venice, you know, to go to, you know, see the glass there. 09:15.401 --> 09:19.909 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like, it was a their way of being like, this is, get out of the, get out of this. 09:20.390 --> 09:20.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the world. 09:21.011 --> 09:22.414 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get out of it, you know. 09:22.774 --> 09:27.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Grayson, I, this is not a question I'm proud of, but I need to dig in. 09:27.884 --> 09:30.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Is your dad also hairy? 09:31.199 --> 09:51.874 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like you if that's not that's it, but like not like crazy Harry, he's like kind yeah kind of yeah except you definitely not we the same he's got the same thing that I got now where the inner thighs are now getting to be real smooth because there's rubbing together. 09:52.867 --> 09:55.711 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm saying, hey, a lazool does time. 09:55.791 --> 09:58.214 [SPEAKER_01]: We love a chave in this family. 09:58.694 --> 10:06.084 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what we also love, Grayson, is what you have posted on social media about your family voice. 10:06.404 --> 10:10.269 [SPEAKER_01]: If people don't follow Grayson, you will go to his page, scroll down a bit. 10:10.289 --> 10:12.853 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a video that went viral that I really, really love. 10:13.253 --> 10:21.844 [SPEAKER_01]: You say basically that people give you shit for having a family voice, but your take is that people are not like pissed that you have a feminine voice. 10:21.824 --> 10:24.588 [SPEAKER_01]: people are just uncomfortable with being seen. 10:24.648 --> 10:33.820 [SPEAKER_01]: You said the growing up masculinity was safety, which absolutely, especially as a Florida gay, from me being a Missouri gay, very much accustomed to that. 10:34.180 --> 10:42.111 [SPEAKER_01]: But you say that gay boys like to judge when someone sounds gay based on what we have learned that femininity is bad. 10:42.091 --> 10:50.241 [SPEAKER_01]: So not only do I want to say thank you for that post because it made me feel seen, but I think I want to dive even further into your feminists. 10:50.321 --> 10:54.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Grayson, what are your other femme qualities that you're proud of? 10:55.169 --> 11:09.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, um, it's so funny because I feel like the the things that are I guess labeled as feminine about me aren't necessarily like I just think of them as like being a human like I'm very sensitive. 11:10.669 --> 11:18.119 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like show my emotions a lot like I'm very have you cried recently. 11:19.121 --> 11:20.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I cried yesterday. 11:22.625 --> 11:23.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, crazy. 11:23.306 --> 11:32.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people say then I what brought on the cry, um, there's like moments, it was a good cry. 11:32.880 --> 11:36.726 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's moments where I sit and I look around. 11:36.746 --> 11:41.773 [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to sound cheesy, you know, people are going to maybe I roll up that. 11:41.793 --> 11:43.536 [SPEAKER_00]: But I honestly sit around and I look. 11:45.338 --> 11:58.416 [SPEAKER_00]: where I am in my life and I just kind of do a little checklist of like what's what's going on like okay I've like got this I've got a job that is like able to pay me money and I can survive. 11:59.057 --> 12:02.862 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a boyfriend who I'm extremely attracted to and love allows me back. 12:03.243 --> 12:04.564 [SPEAKER_00]: We live together in a home. 12:05.245 --> 12:06.487 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a roof over our heads. 12:06.607 --> 12:12.375 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a car that drives me from where it is I need to go and I just get these kind of overwhelming like 12:12.642 --> 12:16.250 [SPEAKER_00]: first of like gratitude and just being like, I'm so fucking proud of you. 12:16.712 --> 12:25.111 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I did have one of those moments yesterday, my boyfriend's out of town, and I just had the apartment to myself, and I put on some music that he was so sent to years ago that just really hit. 12:25.652 --> 12:31.005 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just laying on the sofa, like looking around, and it was like a little single tear. 12:30.985 --> 13:00.874 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Grayson, you know, I, I, if anybody, I rolls that people are allowed to I roll, but I do think that you are not alone because I literally as of like four days ago started daily watching a gratitude meditation video on YouTube because I found myself like needing that and I found myself like wondering what's the point of a lot of stuff and I too have cried to those moments because like when you all of a sudden start to count 13:00.854 --> 13:06.123 [SPEAKER_01]: which is the roof over your head, which is your ability to, you know, see your friends, which is your bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble. 13:06.143 --> 13:18.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, even if we're feeling fucked in terms of money or profession or whatever it is, like, we all have some things that we can be grateful for and how dare we judge someone from crying, from gratitude. 13:18.664 --> 13:19.746 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on. 13:19.806 --> 13:26.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think with like the feminine thing is a lot of like people, 13:27.415 --> 13:45.558 [SPEAKER_00]: What I've noticed is that whenever I do get criticized for my voice or for any of my femininity, because if I'm out and I'm dancing, and especially when I used to have long hair, I was like, you know, like the way I was doing this. 13:46.278 --> 13:48.581 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the way I move is really feminine and fluid. 13:48.621 --> 13:57.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was a yoga teacher for, I mean, I guess I still don't technically am the certificate 13:57.706 --> 14:02.554 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, my yoga, my dance background, which is school for musical theater. 14:02.794 --> 14:05.939 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, I'm a big, I'm like a huge dancer. 14:05.959 --> 14:06.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, way, great, sin, and my research. 14:06.761 --> 14:07.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't find out about the musical theater. 14:07.762 --> 14:17.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way 14:17.770 --> 14:18.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop it. 14:18.771 --> 14:21.114 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I know people who went to that program. 14:21.495 --> 14:25.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, I didn't do musical theater. 14:25.300 --> 14:27.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I, but I, not for lack of trying. 14:27.242 --> 14:36.474 [SPEAKER_01]: I audition for all the musical theater programs ended up studying acting at NYU, but I like immediately started doing musical theater when I graduated and then within years, luckily quit. 14:37.775 --> 14:47.608 [SPEAKER_01]: But you also, you also wait, when it, okay, so now I, we, we will get into more like horny shit and all the other stuff I have planned, 14:47.588 --> 14:50.954 [SPEAKER_01]: you graduate from college with a degree in musical theater. 14:50.994 --> 14:54.380 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you end up doing the audition circuit? 14:54.581 --> 14:56.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you immediately pivot what happened? 14:57.947 --> 14:58.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Immediately pivot. 14:58.848 --> 14:59.430 [SPEAKER_00]: I moved. 14:59.570 --> 15:03.617 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew during my senior year that I wasn't what I wanted to do. 15:03.818 --> 15:06.863 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew and it's funny because I had 15:07.383 --> 15:14.056 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a moment in my senior year at this showcase, it was like at the very end of our senior year. 15:14.617 --> 15:17.203 [SPEAKER_00]: I got into the BFA program, which we had to audition for. 15:17.243 --> 15:22.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone got in, if you applied to the school, you got into the school, but they didn't have to audition to get into the BFA program, which, 15:23.296 --> 15:47.076 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like 12 of us, we had a showcase and a couple of days before the showcase, our director, he sent, he would send emails out, there was three other teachers or three teachers total and he would send emails with all of our notes for like the next rehearsal. 15:47.343 --> 16:10.549 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess he was on an email thread with the teachers separately that he would send notes to them and then they would tidy up and send notes to the students, but I guess he accidentally sent his private notes to the whole class and under my name was Grayson horrible vocal technique per usual so he was like 16:11.795 --> 16:23.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, really, obviously having these conversations with these teachers about my voice, which then leads to more insecurity around my voice and more insecurity around speaking. 16:23.129 --> 16:27.034 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not the per usual, per usual, I know. 16:27.335 --> 16:34.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but so, so it was that the kind of honestly did a little bit of a nail on the coffin for me because I was already doing a lot of student film. 16:34.724 --> 16:38.629 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know what, let's go out to LA. 16:39.318 --> 16:45.914 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just, like, get into the warm weather because I couldn't do another winter in Chicago. 16:45.934 --> 16:49.182 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still let me try acting out there. 16:49.202 --> 16:56.500 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I came out here as this 2014, I had a roommate who, 16:56.868 --> 17:04.839 [SPEAKER_00]: introduced me to a she introduced me to a lot of psychedelics and a lot of yoga and blue the roof off of what I thought that life was. 17:05.620 --> 17:16.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And from there I just started pursuing more of like the healing arts doing more like yoga breath work singing mantra for you know that and I am inhibited into fitness. 17:17.557 --> 17:30.321 [SPEAKER_01]: which is sort of a understandable path because so much of acting school and musical theater is like, and now we're going to do breath work and now we're going to talk about our trauma, but we're boosted in a way, acting schools, like you're on a mushroom so full time. 17:30.661 --> 17:33.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Was the psychedelic that your roommate introduced you to? 17:33.487 --> 17:36.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it mushyes or was it something else that I should be trying? 17:36.997 --> 17:39.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we were, we were, we were doing the mushyes. 17:39.520 --> 17:41.863 [SPEAKER_00]: We were doing LSD, which I haven't done since. 17:42.103 --> 17:43.785 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm okay without LSD. 17:44.085 --> 17:45.046 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm okay with all that. 17:45.767 --> 17:53.416 [SPEAKER_00]: And then several years later, she actually brought me into my first Ayahuasca ceremony. 17:54.538 --> 17:56.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and okay, you've been sent to me. 17:56.280 --> 17:57.962 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been sent to me from the universe. 17:58.262 --> 18:00.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone pitched to me Ayahuasca recently. 18:00.505 --> 18:06.852 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I might want to try it. 18:08.198 --> 18:12.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see God, I want to see her. 18:14.138 --> 18:15.299 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was amazing. 18:15.339 --> 18:17.321 [SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot in the course of six months. 18:17.442 --> 18:21.045 [SPEAKER_00]: I did like, I did like five ceremonies in six months. 18:22.207 --> 18:24.869 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a really, really powerful experience. 18:25.110 --> 18:28.433 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's something, I don't think it's for everybody. 18:28.573 --> 18:42.188 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's something that everybody should experience, but I do feel like if it's entering into your circle and you feel called and pull to it, then it's maybe, you know, maybe, maybe pick up the phone. 18:43.349 --> 18:46.674 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe pick up the phone and call 1-800. 18:47.055 --> 18:49.098 [SPEAKER_01]: I want a vomit and shit. 18:49.979 --> 18:55.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I will. 18:56.950 --> 19:01.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did you 19:01.777 --> 19:04.341 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let Ninship and the Iowa Spick Spurials. 19:04.361 --> 19:04.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 19:04.601 --> 19:11.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will report back, but I do want to keep pushing us forward because eventually we're going to cross over to pay while the before then. 19:11.873 --> 19:18.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do a quick jump into some controversy that Grayson experienced in recent months. 19:18.904 --> 19:25.354 [SPEAKER_01]: You posted a carousel with the first slide saying why some gay men are afraid of getting fit. 19:25.334 --> 19:28.739 [SPEAKER_01]: explaining that it can be difficult to start a new routine. 19:28.859 --> 19:30.962 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be intimidated for us gay guys. 19:31.042 --> 19:32.584 [SPEAKER_01]: It can change our sense of self. 19:33.004 --> 19:42.798 [SPEAKER_01]: However, people were super pissed and you updated the caption by adding, I didn't think this post would warrant me death threats, but here we are. 19:43.298 --> 19:54.193 [SPEAKER_00]: Will you explain to me the reaction from your perspective? 19:54.882 --> 19:57.766 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, putting like a lot of work into these posts. 19:57.846 --> 20:03.394 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jesus Christ making a carousel post with like more than four or five slides is like hours of work. 20:04.135 --> 20:04.956 [SPEAKER_00]: And not for the week. 20:05.818 --> 20:12.407 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting here going like, okay, I'm going to like maybe help some people and like, I, you know, like, wow, I'm like proud of this. 20:13.128 --> 20:21.700 [SPEAKER_00]: And then to get the response that I got, I understand why I got the response, but I do think it, I think that people, 20:22.557 --> 20:23.578 [SPEAKER_00]: here what they want to hear. 20:23.638 --> 20:24.659 [SPEAKER_01]: And what do you think they were hearing? 20:24.840 --> 20:29.625 [SPEAKER_00]: Particularly, I think about the the the one where you're going to have to like raise your standards. 20:31.968 --> 20:50.910 [SPEAKER_00]: What it's what I got back from people because I actually had a few different conversations with people via DM where I was like can we just like stop all of the like meanness and just actually tell me what is 20:51.177 --> 21:14.232 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of people said the raising the standards they heard you're only going to want to hang out with other hot people like when you get hot, you're only going to want to hang out with other hot people and really like the Like shifting your standards and raising your standards really is just about if fitness is going to start to take up a bigger part of your life you're going to have to like. 21:15.342 --> 21:34.279 [SPEAKER_00]: way out what else is going to maybe have to have a little bit of a smaller portion, you know, and if you are raising the standards for yourself, if you are saying, okay, I'm going to really step up and I'm going to challenge myself and I'm going to show up to be able to make this fitness goal happen. 21:34.529 --> 21:59.220 [SPEAKER_00]: that can be really scary and you might have to like start to look at different relationships that you have in your life, not just with people, but your relationship with time, your relationship with food, your relationship with sleep, your relationship with your body, you know, like it's it's not just, oh, I want to get hot and then I'm only going to want to hang out with hot people. 21:59.200 --> 22:22.322 [SPEAKER_00]: that to me is such a very limited narrow perspective to have and I don't know maybe some of the concepts I was talking about were a little too broad or out there and people weren't really able to receive it but I also think that some people whenever they see this is I'm not going to be 22:22.420 --> 22:46.217 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like, people are going to look at me and they're going to immediately have a, like, an idea of what it is, that I do, how it is that I act, you know, and what my priorities are, yeah, I, I'm curious just kind of when we zoom out because obviously people have had angry reactions on the internet since the internet was born to. 22:46.197 --> 23:04.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but for just to give people context for what Grayson's talking about, so that side says raising your standards, you'll stop accepting treatment, attention and dynamics that once felt normal, you'll become more selective with your energy and that shift will feel isolating before it will feel before it feels empowering. 23:04.675 --> 23:09.605 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't really see how that is saying that you're going to only hang out with hot people. 23:10.046 --> 23:14.614 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand the like triggering element of like why some gay men are afraid of getting fit. 23:14.695 --> 23:27.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Might make people feel like they're, uh, I don't know, like being called out in a way, but and also because like the picture is you looking hot, muslim, hairy, but like where was, 23:27.119 --> 23:28.562 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to say the Harry Potter. 23:29.002 --> 23:30.285 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like muscle memory. 23:31.968 --> 23:33.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Where was the reaction happening? 23:33.751 --> 23:34.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it? 23:34.352 --> 23:44.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it both on Instagram and Twitter or was it elsewhere? 23:44.230 --> 24:11.082 [SPEAKER_01]: found out that all of my stuff is posting to threads which I have been on it a long time and so that I got a couple messages on threads and people reposting on threads then got a little, got a little, well, I see and I do want to say that you update to the posts as well by saying I do understand how using images of myself with these slides can come off very, this is standard, you should be aiming for, so I'll be more mindful of that in future posts. 24:11.062 --> 24:20.576 [SPEAKER_01]: You seemed to do something which I think is important, which is a sort of like address, maybe why people are feeling upset. 24:20.596 --> 24:29.189 [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like you sitting here today, obviously had only the best of intentions, but people sort of had a bad faith and interpretation of what you were saying. 24:29.209 --> 24:29.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's accurate? 24:30.791 --> 24:32.093 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally think it's accurate. 24:32.113 --> 24:36.259 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that people will always have 24:36.560 --> 24:42.105 [SPEAKER_00]: There are opinions and I can't always cater to every single individual and I'm not meant to. 24:42.786 --> 24:52.215 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the people who felt it and the people who aligned with what it is that I was saying, like that's great. 24:52.235 --> 24:58.381 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't expect everyone to be on board with what it is that I think that would be ridiculous of me. 24:58.842 --> 25:01.604 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't also go through and change everybody's opinion. 25:01.664 --> 25:05.588 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a part of me that really wants to sit down with everyone and be like, 25:05.568 --> 25:07.931 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, how did that make you feel? 25:08.231 --> 25:09.432 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did it make you feel like that? 25:09.633 --> 25:11.074 [SPEAKER_00]: What specifically happened? 25:11.174 --> 25:12.436 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I adjust? 25:12.936 --> 25:13.777 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just can't. 25:14.458 --> 25:20.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any thing, I mean, a final question about that topic, is there anything that you have changed about your approach moving forward? 25:20.845 --> 25:22.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you have any like takeaways? 25:22.387 --> 25:29.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is this sort of just like a moment that gave you a different set of experiences to pull from? 25:29.969 --> 25:56.871 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I think the latter and also it's like I stepped away a little bit because like you probably know this when you go on your phone and then all of a sudden like every time you go on your phone you've got hundreds of notifications and you've got dozens of comments and people who are like it I think it was it was like a toxic place to be for a while and so I pulled back a little bit from posting 25:57.830 --> 26:09.932 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think something that I can really take away from it one is that if you're going to be a little controversial, if you're going to say, you know, you 26:10.756 --> 26:24.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Can say things to be a little divisive if you want to really get a response and have a conversation with people, you know, say saying things that can be a little divisive it's going to spark a conversation and also you need to be able to have that conversation. 26:25.001 --> 26:35.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, like I said before, not necessarily using photos of me to be like in every single thing, you know, like I understand how that can be like. 26:36.473 --> 26:37.234 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on. 26:37.254 --> 26:40.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, it's it's all it's all dicey. 26:40.157 --> 26:46.723 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all I people get very of worried for me when I like when my inside out dad costume thing happened. 26:46.743 --> 26:53.890 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea if you were glued into that, but like I was like trolled on Twitter but for wearing a silly costume, you're like no, I saw. 26:53.910 --> 27:04.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, um, I whenever happens to me now, like a couple of a few days ago, I posted an episode with Trader Tony, which has been doing great, but then all of a sudden on Twitter, I've got a lot of 27:04.621 --> 27:26.629 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my podcast is like Fag Slop and stupid and like, and I actually like, in a way, I'm sort of proud as to how much it rolls off my back now, because I am also very sensitive, but I've had probably a decade now of pockets of people saying crazy shit, so I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that, but I'm 27:26.609 --> 27:45.261 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it's just, it comes with a territory of like visibility and I wish, you know, it didn't happen, but it's, you know, if you don't have any people speaking against what you're doing, it's maybe just meaning you haven't reached enough people to like get to those differing opinions. 27:45.341 --> 27:49.849 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just, you know, take it as a win as much as it's fucking insane. 27:49.829 --> 28:11.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I am obviously running along with you because there's so many things to get into, but Before we move over to horny questions, I'm gonna ask you a podcast question that I find very important, which is Gracing Gilbert if the world was ending you could only save one character actress who what you say? 28:11.613 --> 28:15.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's give it like the person to me who feels 28:16.441 --> 28:20.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm leaning in towards the most is like Molly Shannon. 28:21.372 --> 28:28.668 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, like, I feel like I want to protect her forever and always. 28:29.230 --> 28:32.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I'm like, there's, there's like a few actresses that I was like, 28:33.637 --> 28:36.603 [SPEAKER_00]: that I love and also they're like a bit older. 28:36.643 --> 28:37.725 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, do I say of you? 28:37.765 --> 28:49.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though you're like 70, like, should I, like, maybe should I go for someone a little bit younger, who has like, a little bit more life to live about like Molly Shannon to me can, I don't think she can do any wrong. 28:50.168 --> 28:52.573 [SPEAKER_01]: She is like a child cannot. 28:53.262 --> 29:11.794 [SPEAKER_01]: She is one of those people that obviously is amongst the greats and I just I'm about to finish this Martin short documentary that just got released on Netflix and my biggest takeaway from it is Martin short and cathano hera and Eugene levy and 29:11.774 --> 29:32.449 [SPEAKER_01]: Gilderradner and all of these grades were like in this community of friends who were just a really good people who were geniuses and Molly Shannon to me is related in the way of like the Amy Polars the Tina phase the Shariotari is the the Rachel Dratch the like on a gas tire like that 29:32.429 --> 29:59.550 [SPEAKER_01]: sort of grouping of SNL women are just like mothers to us and amongst the genius grades as well and also amongst the people you just want to be like at a pool party getting silly and twirly and whirly and Molly Shannon just imagine the giggles imagine the giggles and like her not her physical comedy is yes untouched 30:00.070 --> 30:21.893 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, anyone who can fling themselves into a pile of metal chairs repeatedly like cake face and like just throw themselves just for the sake of like making someone it's just as she's and then even today like any time she's doing an interview I will watch just because she's like 30:21.873 --> 30:40.995 [SPEAKER_00]: You can just tell she has this awe and wonder and she's always just so excited about things and she feels like the definition of someone who has maintained their child like essence and I just feel like we can I feel like I feel like anyone who still has that and they're not jaded and they're like 30:40.975 --> 31:05.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Just able to maintain that beautiful like innocent soul and like even absolutely need to be protected at all Yeah, yeah, because you know she's seen a lot, but I think that she is absolutely owed this Protection but also she is a force and I think she does have a lot more runway and more she's gonna be continuing to give us more Iconnery because she can't help but be 31:05.343 --> 31:07.025 [SPEAKER_01]: absolute perfection now. 31:08.127 --> 31:15.276 [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to ask you before moving on to my horny questions for when the payload goes over at Grayson. 31:15.356 --> 31:18.520 [SPEAKER_01]: If people want to follow you on the interwebs, where can they do that? 31:20.222 --> 31:25.309 [SPEAKER_00]: Instagram is probably the best place at a Graceful Sun, A Graceful Sun, S-O-N. 31:26.285 --> 31:49.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, baby, it's linked in the description and we should be all following Grayson and check out the gorgeous posts, the helpfulness and the what sweet pate's but Grayson, let's now get into hornyness, do you have any memorable stories or formative experiences or anything super hot that comes to mind when it comes to your sexuality. 31:51.745 --> 31:53.187 [SPEAKER_00]: My God. 31:55.158 --> 32:03.717 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I mean, there's so many formative experiences when I was younger, like in college in Chicago when I moved from, when I moved from like, 32:04.304 --> 32:12.855 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Bumfuck Florida and went to Chicago when I was like, wow, there's so many different types of dicks in the world. 32:15.058 --> 32:20.705 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, this is actually coming to my, I had my best friend in high school. 32:20.725 --> 32:25.671 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is before going to, this is before going to to Chicago. 32:27.102 --> 32:28.264 [SPEAKER_00]: the Craigslist of it all. 32:28.464 --> 32:29.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. 32:29.425 --> 32:30.967 [SPEAKER_01]: The Craigslist may she rust. 32:31.808 --> 32:32.629 [SPEAKER_00]: What were we doing? 32:33.250 --> 32:33.891 [SPEAKER_00]: What were we doing? 32:34.472 --> 32:37.456 [SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is absolute danger. 32:37.516 --> 32:45.667 [SPEAKER_00]: Driving an hour and 15 minutes to Panama City to go to a man's a couple's home. 32:45.927 --> 32:47.930 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm freshly a team. 32:48.951 --> 32:52.796 [SPEAKER_00]: These gentlemen have to be, I mean, they're homeowners. 32:53.016 --> 32:55.860 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming that they're well into their thirties. 32:56.279 --> 33:22.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like this cup and there's just this couple who like want to have sex with me and I'm freshly a team so like, you know, legal hey, but still I was like It was my first experience being with someone who was like that bold and then also being with a couple and I think it really like I'm glad I had that experience before going to Chicago because, you know, Chicago really 33:24.190 --> 33:26.194 [SPEAKER_00]: the big city really opened me up, girl. 33:26.855 --> 33:33.607 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad I had a little bit of a foundation to a 2S stand-on, so I wasn't so shocked. 33:33.828 --> 33:42.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Was the foundation you're referring to both of these 30s, 40s men, raw dog rail deal? 33:42.424 --> 33:43.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what happened? 33:43.833 --> 33:57.499 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Pattison Rosso, Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibly, Sam Altizer, and more. 33:57.960 --> 34:05.113 [SPEAKER_01]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie time. 34:05.133 --> 34:06.516 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you, bye!