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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joined with some special guests today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's me and the girls and we just get back from seeing the Michael movie, yes, we had to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our brother Bruce Ema, so he doesn't see it three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I had to go check this thing out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, fam, I give this movie two thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do I say that because I did not like the way that they demonize Joe Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a whole freaking nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, the actor looked horrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, they over did his abusive behaviors with this belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, this is just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows that Joe Jackson invested his money, his time, and to turn in these boys into celebrities, which most fathers, especially back then, wouldn't even took the time to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He invested money, teaching them dance moves and steps by and them costumes, you know, getting them on different shows and I just feel like the establishment is always trying to make their father just look terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lived in a time when he was younger, where people were being hanged, called the Inward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you go through a lot of that trauma, you're not going to come out, okay, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do believe some of the things he did was bad, but it wasn't that bad because at the end of the day, his daughters still want it to get married, they still love their father.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They even got him a yacht, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed even throughout the movie, too, how you know, Michael was obsessed with animals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I noticed that Joe never said no, you're not bringing that stuff in his house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, boys get caught up in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He let him have a giraffe, he had a llama, he had all types of animals in the backyard and an abusive parent would not have allowed him to have any animals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably would have beaten animals and threw them off the property.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Express so we when it comes to brown parents and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love to make us look bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love to demonize us and they love to come in at the end as the white save.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go a little bit deeper into the trauma because even though I know Joe had good intentions,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't go about some things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not the right way for his son to beat that upset with him even as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the same when he was just too scared to tell him that he was more fire him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants somebody else to tell Joe that he was going to be fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means that he was afraid of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think what a touch on is that I don't like how people are social media keep trying to make jokes about it I feel like that's a very insensitive thing to do because that stuff is real, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: How did it make you feel to see Joe with that bill?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scared?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can hear how much you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was scared too, they're built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was very scared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to look away and close my ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I never beat y'all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, y'all never had the word about the bill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But see, I grew up at the time I grew up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of black parents had bills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had switches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my mom would get switches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And beat us with switches, extension cords, belts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The baby boomers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They disciplined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very different than the way that children are disciplined today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always felt like I don't need to put my hands on y'all to correct you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can talk to you and you'll correct your behavior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But from their generation, that's how they were raised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were raised to be beamed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with whips in all types of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't understand how that can be a very traumatic experience because I went through it myself as a child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way they were raised, they were talked, spare the right, spoiled the child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, somebody's a knucklehead, so I will say, you got knuckleheads that if you don't beat them, they're gonna cut up, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know some people who ain't never got a beaten in their life and they're terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I could tell Michael was a gentle soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a kind of child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't have to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could talk to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He lived like kind of like in a dream world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he idolized his brothers and even his father.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I believe if he would have just talked to him like you see his mother talk to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he loved his mother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His father again, I think that's just that generation, but you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be minimising trauma on social media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what if I advocate this diff, you got to use on a different approach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A bill, you shouldn't use a bill on everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some of these people they need to build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, somebody else, you can tell they never been looked in a life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these kids going in these classrooms, turning stuff over and fighting the teachers

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[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody gentle like little Michael, you ain't even know Bill with Michael, just talk to Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed how he kept telling him, look me in the eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, he couldn't look him in the eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was always fidgeting, moving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's nervousness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's his way of trying to work off his nerves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we do know he's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did have a lot of trauma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how he was looking out the window and he saw the other kids playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but he cooks because he had the reserves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, so who much is giving, much is required.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other key has got to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other key is probably stealing the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Versus Michael didn't get to play when he was younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he grew up, he was a multi-millionaire, and he got to play as much as he wanted to, and he had his whole roller coaster to backyard, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's only how you look at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As I'm so glad at your age that you were able to see that, you know, because I remember watching the Jackson movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did maybe about 15, 20 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And number one, I think the first movie was made more by our people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This movie was obviously created by the establishment because even the scene where they had where he wanted to know his job and the white doctor says, I don't think he said they're wrong with your nose and he says, it is to be that you know good and got nowhere that was would have been a reverse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because when he wanted to cross over and leave Motel and go over to the white stations, MTV and trying to track all these other groups, I already know they told him, you're going to have to change your image.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they flopped that around and made it seem like he didn't accept himself and he didn't like himself and he started wrong himself because you know whenever you're going to these different industries They always try to tell you that they want you to have a certain image And remember to see where he came back with the first nose job and Joe Jackson was like What did you do to yourself?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't lay hands on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't put him down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just shook his head and walked down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if he was at abuse, if an abusive parent is going to be abusive at all aspects, it's what I'm trying to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just when it comes to disciplining you in order for you to get your lessons and to do your work, they're going to be abusive on every aspect and that's good what you noticed to how all his daughters got married.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most young girls who are raised by an abusive father, especially they will never, they

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that all of them got married, including all the sons got married, and a lot of them all lived together in that mansion for many years, that shows that they had a very close knit family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to start with the parents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another topic I want to touch on is that in the movie, it seems like everybody lived in

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like if he was really as violent as they said he was, nobody would want to live with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw some clips on TikTok.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're one of the nephews who grew up in that compound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking about the racism that they went through and how the neighbors would be, calling them the inward and all this stuff until they figured out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who they were like when they were seeing around the area and he was mentioning how close their family is and how much love it could be in the family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In order for you to have that kind of love and closeness in your family, that means that they learn it from somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, granted, the mother was very sweet, she was like a little Putin pop, but again, the father was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I saw one clip that they had of an old family together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where they had a birthday party for Georgia and they bought them a bowl and they had like clowns come in and they were doing magic shows you know they did so much stuff together and even though since you wanted me and me and as they look like a sweet old man so I think again like you said it's somebody else on the outside looking in

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they're trying to show you their perception of what they saw when they saw that Jackson family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to look beyond what they're showing you and look at the telltale signs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at what's really going on because again, if your father's abusive, you ain't going to want to leave an old crown pound with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got the bill every time you're trying to build pops out, so that's a good observation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how many of the Jackson family has hands in the movie, but it would have been nice to see more of the in-depth moments in their lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like the sweeter ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the intimate moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they felt like it was touching one more about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Want to go solo, you know, like get away from the family, do his own thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But see, that's the other thing, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The movie was called Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't called the Jackson, you know, and I noticed that they did that to that family a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like because you got fit, they started out as the Jackson Five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a close knit loop and then all of a sudden and I think again that's new sandwich man they got in the Michael A and they want to get a go solo

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he went off and ventured off by himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's not the wrong what you're going off by yourself, but I still say because of the way they were raised, I think that he should have done more with his brothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was happy to see the ending of this one where he did that last tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even with that, Joe wanted him to keep touring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like he really should have been more with his family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all I was saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, made him have an interaction with his brothers with a sister, his mom, you know, like, maybe with everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes me wonder if that was part of the deal he signed, where in order for him to get that start-up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to cut ties with Joe and the family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would make sense what, too, like why Joe was so mad in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's understandable that he did fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he would be mad about that too, but it seems like it one of the scenes he was yelling at him and telling him that you're trying to cut off this entire family essential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if he was just about him getting fired, he would have just taught me about the right, exactly, because again, that's the way he raised them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He raised them that they were all one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If one person make it, we all make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's how they were raised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever he got all this money and all this fame,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is almost like he just turned his back on his brothers and he went off on his own because he by the time I was born I was born in 79 and remember in the movie he didn't really hit that big star him to like 81 82 yeah so I was two three years old by the time he was the superstar

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even really know about the Jackson Five because the Jackson Five was back before I was born, so I used to have a lot of old 70 shows and then I realized, oh, that's Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a whole family of brothers that used to sing with him, which is what I think this dad was meant to want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did the same thing with this and he's child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were a group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next thing you know, Beyonce's off by herself and she cuts off her father, saying to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you want to cross over to the general public, all of a sudden you have to fire your parents because they don't want you to get generation of wealth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that brings us into these kids of Michael Hand?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was they, I'm sure they don't go to that in part, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause remember, I think you were telling me some guy on a TikTok with saying, there's no way those kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those kids don't get it thing like, it's like Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the pictures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something that's not right with these keys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they'll reveal what happened in part two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I don't think I'm going to go see part two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do y'all think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all will see part two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because I feel like in part two, all they're probably gonna do is just make it like he didn't love his family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just cuts them off and then this whole white family comes and takes him as their son basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly, he feels loved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what they do with a lot of our brown stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They always gotta add a white hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree 100% I see that's where it's going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now one thing I will say I did learn about watching the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that he was going to the hospitals and volunteering with the children.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was very nice that they did show that aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was spending time reading to them and talking to them and then, how he took all the money he made up for one of his concerts and donated it to one of the hospitals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a nice gesture then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess there was some good highlights, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't like the way they portrayed the family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they did them dirty We kind of already knew that since the movie was called Michael, so we knew they were gonna be focused and specifically on him

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I just didn't like the way that they made Joe look bad, which they always do, they always got to demonize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoever helps that black star get to where they are, they're going to make them look bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they kind of tried to make all of the white producers and the white attorneys and the even the guy who was of a fairer complexion that was his bodyguard, they made them look more positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you go back and look at the movie consciously, it was Joe Jackson that told that bodyguard, you put turnt sparkle with your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously he cared about his son and I think that's important for people to remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're watching these movies, you have to watch these movies consciously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you don't, if you just take them for face value,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be programming you with whatever the establishment wants you to believe Which is why I believe Janet didn't want anything to do with this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this in the movie Janet wasn't there and Rebe wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only had Latoya in the movie and also I feel like when you watch the movie The host perspective feels like you're watching it from the outside looking in Not really from like the family lives and stuff like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt very bland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Inflat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I didn't like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like the way they portrayed Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may have seemed like he was like very childish, very immature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He only wanted to watch cartoons, watch movies, and play with animals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that's not true because so many black women have come forcing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They used to date Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went on dates with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even portray him having any interest in women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember to see when the brothers were all going out that night and they were talking about how they had dates, Michael wanted to go play Twister with Bubbles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all done from somebody else's perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's 100% factual at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part one is dealing with black Michael, brown Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part two is going to go into the milk of Michael that popped up on the second half of his life, which I honestly don't believe that was the real Michael at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I already know I'm not going to see part 2, but part 1 to me was a disappointment because I just don't think it really portrayed him accurately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my spirit, I just didn't agree with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are y'all thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to touch back on that no subject again if you don't mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How I know they're lying about that is because I came across a video on TikTok of him saying he loved black women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning why would he change his nose because he loves black people and he loves his people That's how I know they are lying about that Yeah, they lie They always lie in the movies because again it's all about propaganda And they have to always turn the focus away from the person of color and then to somebody else You know like I felt like they should have took more time showing his life when he was with Motown

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just left Montana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was with Motiles as he was with five or six until he was during their 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So most of his career, he was with Motile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he went over to the, I don't know if a Sony or who was producing him but the white producers, once he left Joe Jackson and went with them, he only had a few hits like

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[SPEAKER_00]: beat it, bad, thriller, you know, a couple of these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, in my opinion, his career fizzled out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, once he came back out looking different, he fizzled out, at least I know within the black community he did, because he became more or less a laughing stop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever happened to Pimps, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What if Michael Jackson was a Pimps?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should be him and Tito be riding around in the cat-like and shit?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So down, Tito?

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[SPEAKER_02]: For now, you know, damn!

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that my home with a sitting on the curb?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come here girl!

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come here girl!

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my money, how much you got?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I'm sorry, all I got is a honeydew whole bill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Girl, you've been out here all day and all you guys are honeydew whole bill!

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he crossed over to all those other groups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and my opinion, they should have focused more on Motown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the people who were instrumental in his career early on, because that's when he was the most popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Time, y'all were born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all didn't even know about no Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, most people thought, I know, y'all didn't raise my thought, he was white.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought he was white because I mean let's think about it white people they don't have they can't make songs like that they can't put feeling emotion into it the way he did it when he sung it was like he was a god hmm when he sung that's how you felt so you could feel the power in his voice even though he looked white

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not the white one, the black one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you said some of the brown Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I said, this movie mostly was about the black Michael, but again, I give it 2,000 and I think that it could have been done a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that having Janet and Ruby and some of the other people's input probably would have given it a much better storyline, because whoever was behind this, which I was doing a rumor meal,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard there wasn't that germane I think so germane and that son and it's some beef between him and it was or whatever between him and Michael so that's probably why the story didn't go quite right because you got to remember anytime somebody don't like you and they make a movie about you it's not gonna be right okay let's just be real it's not because it's coming from their perspective of you

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the movie failures from the outside looking in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think overall?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would you score it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would give it like maybe a five point five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Out of wood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Out of ten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably wouldn't really give it a high score.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be pretty low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like A2 because I feel like they did an awful job portraying him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree 100% I think that the real Michael had more depth to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then what they portrayed, what they showed in this movie of my opinion was the stereotype, is what they wanted us to believe he was like, you know, real silly child like, you know, hating his father because I think like you said, that's what they saw instead of looking from the inside out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think, again, they did Joe Dirty, they did a real dirty in his movie, oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They was a scene, remember what he said?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no art, it's us, it's the family, it's the Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to build togetherness, where today you see the narcissistic parent, they're going to have the golden child, and they're going to have a scapegoat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He never had the golden child or the scapegoat he had a group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted all of them to move together as one, which is why I believe they were so successful and I think what really hurt then was when all of them just took off and went their own ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Latoya took off, Janet took off, Michael took off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The brothers, their career just kind of fizzled out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think because again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The establishment only let us go so far unless we sign these contracts and get under them So that they can control and make all the money and steal everything, but again That's our opinion two thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't go see it if you haven't seen it Just wait to come out on regular TV so that you're not to perform it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that I was Would not go to see that I think that again the real Michael deserves better

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[SPEAKER_05]: We just sugar fly with me Don't you know that It's the perfect time We can make it right Did the city reach Really the night

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[SPEAKER_05]: Burnin' is I got to be with you Gotta get done to be big But what you come is emergency Coolify your journey when it comes to life I don't know now It's the verb time We can film the lights just when it gets dark In the night In the sky

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

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