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[SPEAKER_02]: He is among many, many other things the writer behind Ultimate Impact Reborn, which is coming to Marvel on May 20th, ladies and gentlemen Chris Condon, Chris.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, thank you for coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always a pleasure to chat with you, and particularly a pleasure to chat with you without my co-host.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's finally one of my content quests.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very happy about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get some one-on-one favor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start off, there's a bunch of different things I want to talk to you about, but let's start off talking about Ultimate Impact Reborn.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a question for you, this came up on our Discord earlier this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think for somebody who didn't know you're going to be on the show and their question was, what is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know what it is, like I know, but I feel like given its position with the ultimate universe, with the Marvel Universe, there might be a little confusion about what exactly the series is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear from you what the pitch is, what sort of like the distilled elder
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the book is, it spins out of Ultimate Spider-Man Encursion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it spins out of the book that Dennis and Cody Siggler worked on where Miles Morales was transported into the 6160 Ultimate Universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now has traveled back to the 616 Universe
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is where our books start.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our book is about the origin catalyst, the origin boxes, that miles brought back, which contain origins for characters in the 601 and 60 universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those origins are actually, their origins of people that exist in 606.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are, they were untouched in the 6160.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're applying with that idea of what happens if somebody else might get a certain power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would it affect them the same way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Would it create a whole new set of powers within a different person?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's essentially what we're applying with is that idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a whole bunch of really cool new characters heroes as well as villains.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some fun play on those, those powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might have seen a few of those in a sort of advertising and the very covers that have been released.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, at the end of the day, for me, it's just a ball to get to play with Stefano Caselli and get to tell some fun action.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some fun stories with a lot of great action in the Marvel Universe and get to introduce the new people into the universe as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely want to ask about all of those characters and a little bit more about the book but to ask the most boring question first about this when does this take place because there's a lot of different things going on like you said it's after ultimate incursion but we also have the Argent box over in Wolverine weapons of Armageddon we have everything the chip to our skis doing Captain America as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: leading up to Avengers Armageddon and also at the same time we've got ultimate end game going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So where is it kind of slot in there or does it not really matter for the story you're telling?
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes place a little bit before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it takes place after the conclusion of Ultimate Spider-Man Occursion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it sort of, you know, leads to what's happening in the other books.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's it's it's it's said a little bit before I guess this would be the correct way to say it yeah and I have one more question, which maybe I don't know how you involved in this you are, but when did the title change from reborn ultimate impact to ultimate impact to reborn that's above my pay green.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about what is in your pay grade then, so to mention some of the characters that I think have been put out there, there might be more than I miss, but you've got a mogul hostilicus wonderman and sightseer are the four that I've seen that get these argin boxes and again, just to be like Uber clear for anybody who's listening or watching, they are characters in the regular Marvel Universe, they're getting powers of people from the regular Marvel Universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: from the ultimate universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So does that change anything of the powers or like to use WonderMan as an example?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this basically another WonderMan?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of the interesting question, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is if somebody other than WonderMan gets the WonderMan powers, I mean, does he have the same powers?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that's been really interesting about the character,
[SPEAKER_00]: is playing with who he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he so just full disclosure, I mean it was it was a great joy that for me to put this character in my former apartment in Jersey City so he's a Jersey guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the thing that's really interesting for me about it is to see how these these different characters
[SPEAKER_00]: interact with those powers, like whether they, you know, I mean, everybody's different, everybody's going to different personality, everybody's going to different life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, seeing somebody from a different upbringing, somebody who, you know, you know, for me, it's just, I do think that you would get a different, you know, even in the alt me universe when, you know, when Peter is given the, the origin box and he becomes
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's different, but he's still Peter Parker's appointment, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, that's the thing that's different here is that these are totally new characters, you know, new, they live in different areas that they have different lives, they live in different, completely different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that these powers affect them, they will,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, though that'd be doing different interesting new things, they wouldn't be doing the same things that you would have seen over the last like 40, 50 years, especially with characters like Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where there is a Wonder Man that already exists, so which is kind of the fun thing about it is just to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that we introduce that is, I think, a fun way to and I don't want to spoil it for anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, but there is a reason why he is called Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're, I think you're already touching on this a little bit anyway, but when you're creating these characters, what are you starting with?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're starting with somebody that, okay, you have this power set of Wonder Man or one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think is Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Strange, am I wrong about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm wrong about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is, whatever power sets you're necessarily using, are you looking at that and figuring out a way to either lean into that or twist that or are you starting with Here's a person who's interesting to me, thrusting these powers on them and then seeing what it does to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or does it vary by character again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, for me it's all about the characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I approached each one as
[SPEAKER_00]: who would I like to see get these powers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do I think would be interesting?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know, to use a sort of cliche phrase, I mean, right what you know, so I thought, well, let me think about who in my life, you know, so I started thinking about people that I know, people that I spent time with, like, what would it be like of that person had powers?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I started sort of off of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just this, you know, because I mean, that's what Marvel was in in the 60s, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was what was so interesting and different about it was that it was what if you got these powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to think about it from that sort of perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to compare us at all to what, you know, Lee and did co or Lee and Kirby did, but I did try to go back to that sort of mindset of
[SPEAKER_00]: What would it be like if a normal person two day got those powers?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wasn't thinking about, I have, you know, this power set, let me find, you know, ex-person because they would be a good fit for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I approached it from the perspective of a writing a book today in 2026, who is, you know, if I'm gonna introduce a new villain, who should have villain B?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm gonna introduce a hero, who should have hero B?
[SPEAKER_00]: do they have any connections to the villain?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they not have a connection to the villain?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what part of the city if they live in the city, where do they live?
[SPEAKER_00]: If they live in New Jersey, where do they live?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are they?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is their perspective?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is their personality?
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, it was all about that figuring out those characters and wanting to spend time with those characters myself, because I knew that I would be writing five issues with them and introducing them into the universe so that people could use them, use them again,
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, it was all about the character first and then applying that power to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, I did know which powers I was thinking about, but I was just not thinking so much and I was really just trying to think about who would be like of this random person got X or Y or Z or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I tried to approach it from that early 60s,
[SPEAKER_00]: marble perspective just you know trying to boil it down to to that base essence of what made these books so great in the first place.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the characters is the sky hostilicus like we match a sort of a big, hulking dude seems to be wearing pieces of a nihilist or nihilist is armoronum which of your friends is that based on Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my buddy hostilicus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hostile kiss was so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just amazing fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, you're you're playing with the character to like An eyelash, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're thinking about an eyelash, you're like what a name.
[SPEAKER_00]: An eyelash.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I'm sitting there going Hostile Hostile Hostile I said, it's literally it's literally like that just kind of having fun with it and just playing with it and just doing what they did and again
[SPEAKER_00]: sort of approaching with the mindset of the Kirby, Dico, you know mindset of just like how how did they create these characters?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do they do?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do they, how do they, you know, come up with these, with the designs, with the character, with the personality, with the name, and just kind of thinking about things from that perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's a bad guy,
[SPEAKER_00]: the champion of an I list, let's say, let's, let's just say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like I know the answer to this one, and this is almost impossible to do, but something that Leandico, I don't think were thinking about was longevity of the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's obviously a very different thing that companies think about now, when you create new characters you're trying to think about, okay, how can we create this IP?
[SPEAKER_02]: How can we put the Marvel rivals?
[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of figures are they going to have through Marvel legends?
[SPEAKER_02]: As the writer,
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that anything that you can think about or do you have to kind of just put that out of your mind and write the story or spreading?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look, I mean, I don't think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm going to be honest with you, that's not something that I would think about.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something I've come to think about.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what I think about is what's in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think about, you know, because each issue also has, you know, a classic Marvel character in this wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm playing with,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all these new personalities, different personalities, but I'm also playing with this tried and true personalities as well, whether it's miles or cash from America or whoever Iron Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, from my perspective, I'm just thinking about, okay, how do I make this book interesting for me as a reader?
[SPEAKER_00]: What would make me want to pick up this book, not only pick up the first issue, but pick up the second, third, fourth, fifth issue, stick with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and hopefully want to see those characters again, but, you know, at the end of the day, mine, my, my real goal is to just make the book interesting and itself because, you know, whether anything else comes after it, this is, you know, this could be the only thing with these characters that I make, you know, I'm not, you know, signed up to write a 50 issue, uh, Wonderman series or anything like that after this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just approach it with that sort of perspective of just, you know, it's the job, this is the job, this is the gig coming in writing this book, you know, Prochi, just you as a as a single story, you know, introducing, you know, new new characters and new, you know, and, and, and get into just trying to try to make the action as, you know, interesting and fun as possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you know at the end of the day, I'm all supposed to find a Kaselli fan, so I want to see him do fun things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just want to make a good book, so that's really my thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think about 50 years ahead or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's more of a marvel.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is jumping back to something you've said earlier, but did you get to pick the powers and the characters you were going to use?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they give you like a menu of options or how did that part work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually so it's really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: full disclosure I had been offered this book a while ago and I was I was too busy at the time and I said ah this sounds really fun but I don't think I could fit in on my schedule and then they re approached me about it and they were like we're gonna talk about it at the summit so just you know if you you know if you think about anything just let us know you know we're still interested so I go to this marble summit and we're all batting back and forth ideas and so I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I went to them after, and I was like, I think I got something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and it was because of that back and forth, there was no mandate of how we need X, Y, Z.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was just, you know, this sort of thing tank of just trying to put together, what would be interesting powers to see?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who, A, who wasn't used in the ultimate universe,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then the other idea was just to who would be an interesting, how would, you know, what would it be, what would an interesting spend on this character be?
[SPEAKER_00]: What would an interesting spend on this character be?
[SPEAKER_00]: What would that power set be like with this kind of a person?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, such it was, it was sort of a menu, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: If, if I was going to, will it down to, to one object, I would say that it was a menu?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A fairly lengthy large menu.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of venues, I'm going to use that as a transition to bring something up here so every week on our show, we have a professional chef down in New Orleans, his name is Brent Macris.
[SPEAKER_02]: He works at an incredible restaurant there called Shift that everybody should check out, and he creates a cocktail for us based on the guest, and this week he created, we got ourselves an old-fashioned, ultimate rebirth,
[SPEAKER_02]: which is a new take on an old fashioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got bourbon overproofed from Demarara, syrup, Agnister, a bitters, orange bitters, saline solution, absent an orange peel.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds delicious to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does this feel in line with what you're intending with, uh, ultimate epic act report?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's perfect because an old fashion is one of my favorite cocktails.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and on top of that, uh, I just, I think it is exact perfect because it is a, uh, new spin on a classic drink, and that is exactly what's happening in that report.
[SPEAKER_02]: excellent and I think I'm getting the sense of this from what you said before we move on to another title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles appears in the first issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get to see him fighting the spot, which is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love the spot big fan of the character.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it sounds like this is going to be a little tour of the Marvel universe type things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to have Miles in the first issue, then kind of going away, going over to Captain American Ironman, or will he be continuing throughout.
[SPEAKER_00]: He comes in and out of
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's in multiple issues, I think he's in every single issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, you know, issue three, he's in a quite a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Issue two, he's in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Issue four, he's in a little bit and then he's back and issue five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, so that's kind of how he kind of comes in and out and out and then out and then out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say that it was so, you know, forwardly a Miles Morales book but he is a central character in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is another like logistics question, and I feel like you've covered this already, but this sounds like this is disconnected from the end of the ultimate universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I imagine the delay there, now the final issue of ultimate and game is coming out of June, doesn't affect this in any way, is that fair to say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, yeah, like I said, this sort of spins out of incursion, not the ultimate books as a whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this works, you know, separate of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to say on the ultimate books for a second, you just finished up Ultimate Wolverine, which was awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: We loved the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the last time we talked to you was that near Comic-Con before the final arc had come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now that it's all either review a bit or how are you feeling about it?
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you feeling about the reception?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for the kind words.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a crazy ride.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, I was just, uh, this is going to be a long-winded way of getting into that would feel, but uh, I was just looking at, um, Twilight Children by Darwin Cuck last night, which was a book that I read in 2016 and then hadn't read it again, or was it 2016 and then 2015, 2016 and that came in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was, I believe is the last book published before he died.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I was reading that and went down a rabbit hole of Darwin Cuck, and he's, I've made it very clear, he's one of my favorite creators of all time, but I didn't really think so much about just the impact that he had on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was the reason that I wanted to get into comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think, or maybe, you know, started thinking even more seriously about it later on
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I didn't know that I was going to be a writer, you know, I thought I was going to be a cartoonist or I'd be an artist or whatever, like I, that's what I was thought, I never thought I'd be a writer doing comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole journey from being a fan that just loves this medium and just loves the craft, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, there was nothing better to me than picking up the absolute new frontier and going in the back and looking at all the sketches and, you know, the, the, the, the prototypes of, you know, certain, you know, the other character, you know, how Jordan or, you know, seeing a very overtly Kirby Batman or things like that and just kind of seeing how the, the mind of a creator and seeing how they create what they create.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I so wanted that experience, you know, I loved it so much as a reader, as a fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then getting the chance to make a book with Jacob Phillips in that Texas blood in 2020.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just to make that book.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't thinking about five years ahead working from Marvel or DC.
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe thought it would be nice, you know, but for me, it was always just that was going to be, I just wanted to tell my stories and that was when my stories and people liked it and, you know, I, you know, I'd gone from being a nobody writer to a writer that was published, you know, so that was my life in 2020 and 2021 and then going forward, you know, got some work from
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, after Ultima Wolverine, which turns into a huge book, which I didn't expect, I should have probably expected a little bit more than it did, but I just thought I was that Texas blood guy coming into Ray Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought maybe we'll have a cult following or whatever, and you know, it'll sell decent, but you know, I didn't think it was going to be as massive as it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing we have a Wolverine toy coming out.
[SPEAKER_00]: from Marvel Legends, and it's a skin and Marvel rivals.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I'm so honored to be a part of this thing, just comics in general, and just, you know, just thinking about Darwin Cook, you know, and just, you know, I've been going through some stuff with my dad recently, so there's some life changes there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just thinking about Darwin Cook
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and just just thinking about, you know, the impact that he had on comics and just thinking about, you know, the fact that now I'm a part of that, I'm just, I just feel honored is really how I feel about it to be playing with characters like Wolverine or green arrow is, you know, I mean, this is just it's the greatest job of the world, even when it's a headache, you know, so I just feel really grateful and, you know, I know, people who hate it and that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to do some fun things and it's, you know, it's not 100% you know what we all said that to do we have to change some things here and there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it is it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really am I'm proud of the book and I'm honored by the legacy that it has already, you know, and and I just I just feel like it's like a full circle thing like it just it's a crazy whirlwind.
[SPEAKER_00]: of a book and everywhere I go, there's people bringing up number one, number two, number three, and number four, you know, all every single issue to get signed and it's like, you know, I was just that that Texas blood guy selling a decent amount of books, but you know, just happy to be doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like, you know, they're like I said before, I mean, there's some people that aren't the biggest fans of it, but there's also people that love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And talking to those people and seeing the cost plays and seeing the art, you know, people have brought me plushies with Wolverine and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just say that seeing the impact that you can have on people, you know, working on these characters that have a legacy that have fans built in fan bases, it's just to create
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have said some things that I probably shouldn't have said, but it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, that's beautifully said, Chris, and I love hearing all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like you did have a wonderful experience working this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I'm just kind of spitting here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say Marvel had another unconnected universe, not an ultimate thing, but let's say something darker that they were going to do that they were going to throw out there that would use those classic characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that something you'd be interested in participating in in any way?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yes, yes, I would be interested in that, but I'm I'm happily working on some things right now, and a different universe also, all together, some I you might have seen this lesson for a bit of I did a rogue one drive theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: book and maybe some more stuff after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't have there's definitely a Thor story that's coming in Thor.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're doing that, oh my god, Jesse Lonergan is doing the artist that correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: What could you tell us about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, well, I hope people pick it up and read it and like it and tell
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I had Jesse drop a picture and I said, you know, I asked him if he was interested in this story and he, you know, he had a copy of this one particular character, literally next to him when I was texting him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, yeah, that sounds great and we, you know, we pitched Marvel on it and, you know, will most help set us up for we're going to have a
[SPEAKER_00]: 3,800, which is also mortal Thor 14, I believe, and I am just so stoked, you know, I think if you pay attention to my, my creator on work, you'll notice that I try to work with interesting artists, you know, I try to, you know, work with people that I've, you know, in a style that I've never worked with before and, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Things that I think are interesting people that I think are making the best comics right now, or people like get free on love who were not making comics, but I thought would make some excellent comics, so that was, that was, you know, another circumstance and put the Jesse, you know, Jesse and I talked about it, we had a phone call and we kind of, you know, jammed back for that, what we should do, have we should approach it because I said, you know, I typically script a certain way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's, you know, I don't ever tell anybody to, you know, feel like you need to do exactly what I write, you know, feel free to, you know, branch off and you need to, but here's the road map if you want to follow the road map here it is if you want to take all the detours in the world, take all the detours in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, but I, you know, I think you draw on a very particular very specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want me to write in a different way, just tell me,
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we discussed the possibility of working marble netted.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the first book in which I'm working marble netted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just cut down on time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually for a very specific reason it's because I'm letting Jesse do what Jesse does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm very excited for people to see what he's cooking up because I am excited for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just can't wait to read the darn thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it looks great right now, but it's you know, it's black and white and it's digital in my emails and I just can't wait to see the full color printed in my hands because that's that's when it really is a comic book, you know, yeah and just a lot of it is such a singular talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like right now where everything that he puts out, I mean, we have a comment here from Derek being hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it is a must pick up nothing gets you Chris but I just know he clearly is on a roll here where he's just picking up steam.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited to read your story as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, drome is drome is one of the best books of the year from last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think arguably it is the best book from last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: and just before we move on to the house just because I know you're not going to confirm to be to be totally played whether you're doing a bidnight title or not I'll pitch something out of you how about you and Jeffrey Allen love on midnight Hulk Just saying look I want to read that I'm trying to get jet uh Jeff on something so we'll we'll see if that that ends up happening that that's all I'll say on the subject I'm trying to get him
[SPEAKER_00]: over at Marvel because I think he could do some really cool things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is one other type of thing I wanted to bring up because it's coming out the same exact day as ultimate impact reborn over at image comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have of the earth, which you're doing with Andrew, Eric, your co-writing, and Charlie Adlard is on the art.
[SPEAKER_02]: What can you tell me about this one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, so first I will introduce Andrew who is a, he's an old friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good friend and he's a very talented friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, he's a great lover of horror.
[SPEAKER_00]: He writes good horror and that was what I saw on him and wanted to approach him about doing this book together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, this is Andrew's first book and I'm really proud to have him on the book and I think he's really proud of being on the book
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when we got our FSC numbers in, I texted them and I was like, what does it feel like to have, you know, this number, you know, associated with something that you've done, because unfortunately Andrew was just somebody who just didn't have the luck and just his stuff wasn't seen, that didn't make him not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, using the sort of whatever cloud I have, not that I have a lot of cloud, but I, you know, I was like, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: I can have you correct this book with me and that you can get a credit and then if you want to use that for future projects on your own you can, you know, but it was in a, I was in a position where I felt like this story was pretty good, but I felt like I needed something else, and so that was where Andrew came in was that I needed that fresh blood, I needed that second in command to help me kind of, you know, navigate certain things and what he brought to the book was that,
[SPEAKER_00]: excellent like he brought a lot of really great new ideas even just in the scripting in a certain kind of you know that the paneling how he thought about certain things with certain things that he thought should have a close up that I wouldn't have thought of really interesting stuff and so you know so we approached it in an interesting way where we
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we kind of broke the I wrote the initial outline.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we split the issues up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote issue one and then we revised it together.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote issue two and then we revised it together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote issue three.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote issue four.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wrote issues six together and then we revised all of them together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea is that they should feel all consistent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't feel like one writer and then another.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and it should feel, you know, for my readers who like my stuff, it should feel like a Chris kind of book because it is a Chris kind of book.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, you know, I'm super stoked to have Andrew with me here and doing this because he's just somebody who I think has a lot of potential and can be doing great work.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, it's just a matter of getting the foot in the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something that I just, you know, I was trying to basically give him something
[SPEAKER_00]: um, which is somebody who is making fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but uh, yeah, the, the, the book is, uh, if we, and, you know, so fortunate to have the legendary Charlie Adler on the book, who just brings so much atmosphere and grit to the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, obviously, you'll know that from this work on walking dead, but, you know, here he's just, he's playing with the vistas
[SPEAKER_00]: Really interesting book.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's an outlier in comics that are out right now in terms of the the slow burn of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and what that, um, you know, um, and the Howard is building the book out, um, you know, I think interesting unique different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is on the run from a bad life.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has some money and a makeup bag that is on her passenger seat and she's got a gun in that bag and she is she's leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that she doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's leaving something bad and she's going somewhere she thinks is going to be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be home, but it might just be far worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is, that's the setting for the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is a roller coaster of a comic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a slow burn build.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once it drops, it drops.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't stop turning and twisting and doing all the crazy things that a crazy horror book ought to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is an absolute joy to get to work with some of my best friends on the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mentioned Andrew, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned Charlie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not mention Pit Martin who is our colors on the book and she's absolutely fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the best work she's ever done and I'm not just saying that because it's my book.
[SPEAKER_00]: I truly think that working with Charlie is brought some of the best out of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really, really hope that when it comes time to think about the best books of the year next year, I hope that people remember her work on this book.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was so honored that he joined us as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, Michael Tive, he and my best friend since preschool, who designs the book and designs a back matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's been a real thrill to get to work on the book and get to build something that is intense, gruesome at times, but a whole heck of a lot of fun to write.
[SPEAKER_00]: And see, come to life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see it come to light.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited to check that one out Chris before we start to wrap up here anything else you want to plug anything else folks to check out I am just I'm pushing people to please buy the second volume of the green arrow that Montes and I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: the more people that buy the trade, you know, that increases our chances of possibly getting a hard cuffer in a nice addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we really loved that book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really felt passionately about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope people pick that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you mentioned, ultimate Wolverine has concluded, but ultimate Wolverine will return and ultimate universe finale.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope people pick that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you pick up the third volume, a whole small green that will be the ending, so make sure you pick that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a, I'll just say that it's, I love the ending.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, it's, it's the, the button, it's the, the cherry on top, you know, it, it, it really is, it's really, really fun to, to get to do that sort of a,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to tell a story in 20 pages, so it's nice to have the extra pages to really let it, you know, feel impactful and get to spend a little bit more time with these characters, you know, give them a proper good bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Derek brought up one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to bring up which is parallel with brutal dark is awesome Which is totally true that book is Thank you great I forgot to bring it up too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that story It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good Chris.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I you know, I try I It's it's just it's a book that I even you know the story I mean I was trying to do that in high school and then bacon I did it for patriots So it's like it's just the long-term coming and it's uh
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great joy to get to make that book with my best friend in the industry, my creative brother and crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're loving that, we're loving all the stuff coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also wanted to give a shout out to, I don't remember if we talked to you about the last issue of green arrow, which was wonderful, just absolutely fantastic final issue, really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, looking forward to everything coming out from your Chris, thanks so much for coming on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for chatting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, once again, that was Chris Condon that the things you should check out immediately are also been impact reborn at number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's coming out May 20th and also of the earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one is coming out from May 20th.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is going to be from image comics, the previous one from Marvel Comics, which you may have heard about.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we are now going to move on to our next section which is my favorite section because you all make it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is your audience question and for audience questions it's just be your folks so if you could drop your questions in the comments that would be great so it's not just me staring and sweating the entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: There can be questions about absolutely anything going on in the world of comic books of comic book media If you need love advice I'm happy to give you love advice We used to say that on the live stage show all the time, but it was always true nobody ever took up up on it, but it's absolutely true
[SPEAKER_02]: While I'm waiting for any questions coming, I'll mention some news items that happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is, they just announced a premier date for Vision Quest from Marvel, which I'm pretty stoked about that's coming out October 14th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Asuka season two is coming out next year, some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's going to be four years by the time it comes back, which is pretty wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all out of ABC at Disney up front.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a yearly thing they do where they talk to advertisers, I did not go this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is always, if anybody has any questions about opera, there are some of the weirdest things I've ever been to in my life because they're all geared to advertisers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're blow it out the body, they're huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's all about like, and let's get to some statistics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very strange.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they spend millions of dollars on parties money and they're very extravagant We got a couple of questions here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see this from Amber Love will detective honey bear come back You know, I have been this is entirely in my fault not the fault of Josh Kenfield the artist for anybody There's no I wrote a couple of issues a book called the tick to funny bear this and all ages book I actually reprinted it about a year ago
[SPEAKER_02]: with a version that collects both of the issues plus all the ancillary material we did in one volume.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have actually one and a half issues of another detective-huddy bear book that I have still have not finished, so that is entirely on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta do it at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a note to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time I go to a con,
[SPEAKER_02]: People always tell me, well, this is really cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this book.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is great Which is always very nice to hear and then I get back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I should really finish that and get it over to Josh and Draw it and then I never do so my bad
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Derek Maynard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen the Punisher especially yet?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am not actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be watching it live with everybody else tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear that you're not gonna believe this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very violent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it is, I saw somebody describe it and I really wish Pete was here for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I saw somebody describe it as a longer, bigger budget version of Thomas J.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's dirty laundry, which is just about the punty as they ever heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm very excited to check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do really like John Bernthal as the Punisher.
[SPEAKER_02]: even though I'm not the hugeest fan of the character, or general, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cried during his sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I figured it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a three in set of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I says Alex, which of the three midnight books are you interested in the most?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I intimated about this in the interview, but if anybody doesn't know, Marvel announced a new line of books called midnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is not ultimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is like ultimate universe, but ultimate dark or ultimate dark with almonds if you prefer.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it is all spooky monster horror infused versions of the Marvel characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in its own continuity, so presumably they'll tie in together at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the first couple of titles, the first one out of the gate, and I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the most of the artists here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the ultimate X-Men is Jonathan Hickman and Mateo Della-Flory, I want to say I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: The second one is going to be Midnight Fantastic Four by Benjamin Percy and Kev Walker.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the third one is Midnight Spider-Man by Philip Kittie Johnson.
[SPEAKER_02]: And something trunk is his last name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a comic book professional journalist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, to actually answer the question of what I'm most interested in, um, you know, I think I'm least interested in Midnight, X-Bad, even though I like pretty much everything Jonathan Hickman writes, just because
[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen Vampire Storm a million times at the idea of that book seems to be Vampire's versus mutants.
[SPEAKER_02]: We even saw Vampire's versus mutants in Bloodhunt just I want to say a year ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure Jonathan and I will come out with some take.
[SPEAKER_02]: That will be interesting and unexpected and there'll be a big twist at the end and all of that stuff and so ultimately the proof is of the books, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: just in terms of ragging them to answer this question, that's definitely on the bottom of my hype list.
[SPEAKER_02]: The middle, I'm interested in what Benjamin Percy is going to be doing with fantastic four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like Kevlocker's arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: art and he's been doing some great horror stuff on infernal Hulk also he is doing art on the amazing spider-man venom death spiral body count number one that's coming out tomorrow which is another horror book so that's pretty cool and this is a fantastic for what if read Richards was a mad scientist and infused his friends with cosmic
[SPEAKER_02]: sounds interesting, but I feel like I need to be slightly convinced.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that leaves the Philip Kennedy Johnson Midnight Spider-Man, which weirdly would be at the bottom, except Philip Kennedy Johnson writes some of the most messed-up stuff in comics right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He builds lore, so it's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: This feels like the simplest concept of Norman Osborne, probably Norman Osborne, is a scientist trying to find the key to eternal life.
[SPEAKER_02]: He adds up accidentally creating
[SPEAKER_02]: and then a bunch of other animal hybrids going to go out on a limb and say there's a rhino in there somewhere, maybe, and of course everybody's favorite animals to see at the zoo, a goblin.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just tried to fill up Katie Johnson's going to put some absolutely gross messed up horror things that are
[SPEAKER_02]: gonna be unlike anything you've ever seen in there so even though that seems the most over-the-plate in terms of the pitch I feel like the execution is gonna be the one that likely gets the closest but but we'll see I'm gonna read all of them
[SPEAKER_02]: I will read anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Brad and Holder and he chance for a CBC after Darker, we get to hear about Alex Alvin's animated crushes include Jigglypuff and listen, I want to be clear the air here because we talked about this in previous episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said that I had a girlfriend who would do Jigglypuff in bed, which a lot of people miss interpreted.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, what I meant was,
[SPEAKER_02]: When we wake up on Saturday mornings, we'd watch cartoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the cartoons we'd watch is Pokemon, and she would pretend to be jigglypuff, and she was really good at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very impressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the long and the short of the jigglypuff thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of animated crushes,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is really basic, but Ariel from the Little Mermaid was an automated crush back of the day who else, I don't know, I have to think about it a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, usually I have the other two people talking, so I can think about these questions, but I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Schroekler says, if you could base new Marvel characters on Pete and Justin, what would those characters be like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete's easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He eats a radioactive garbage plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it becomes like animal vegetable man except his limbs are made out of french fries, chili, burgers, macaroni, mustard, you could shoot mustard and catch up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm forgetting the other stuff at a garbage plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I've never eaten that, but that's very easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin would probably have some sort of time or speed powders, we probably talk about this, but he overbooks himself, it has always late to everything, so that's something that I think his powders would deal with in a very like flash, or spider-man sort of way, but probably not well, he'd face some challenges, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... with which ultimate impact reborn character that's been revealed already has you most intrigued and why who another good rank in question uh... so it was actually very interesting i thought to hear Chris talk about this because from my outside perspective it certainly felt like
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we got to have a wonderman that looks like the wonderman on TV, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go and run with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here at Chris talk about it, that's not where it comes to them at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that definitely rearranges how I'm feeling about these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I certainly trust him to write these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I still a kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a big beefy dude who is wearing a dialysis as armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I always have questions about whether that's an dialysis armor, or if he's like a bug, and that's his exoskeleton.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we'll find out very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is from David Quinley, given how many comic books come out, how do you three choose what review we're talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, back when we started the show and did the stack on the live show, we would all read comics and then each of us would choose one and we would review three comics on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we did it, so it was more even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I choose the comics and I tell people just did what we're gonna read and then they probably,
[SPEAKER_02]: go off and read their own things.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's occasionally somebody's been like, hey, I want to read this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't include this in the list and that's totally fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a, you know, autocracy or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just to make it easier, I'll usually go through, think about like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: What will Pete probably want to talk about what will just to probably want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know obviously what I want to talk about and then what are the big issues that are coming out this week And I try to get them at the stack Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't this is a related one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a kind of answer this, but fat head, do you know or do I know are you excited for the Marvel midnight line?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were talking about this bit on the patreon discord
[SPEAKER_02]: and I feel like that people went through these waves of emotion with the Marvel Midnight announced, which were partially not fair to the announcement.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I mean by that is it came out, Marvel's soul that has get ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a new publishing line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just said
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, midnight, get ready for a new dark universe, and that was pretty much it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was clear that there was some hype behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing, not to throw some blame anyway, but then there was a bleeding cool article that came out that was like, here's what we could tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Philips Kenny Johnson, Benjamin Percy, Jonathan Hickman, going to be based on the midnight suns.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where they get the name of, so you're going to see, dude, takes a ghost rider, and also blade, and all of these other characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think because of that, everybody,
[SPEAKER_02]: fought and went through the remotions and feelings about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when it came out that was actually ex-bed Fantastic Foreign Spider-Man, there was a little level of like, oh really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, is that what we're doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing that?
[SPEAKER_02]: When the actual creative teams, so the most part, like I talked about before, are pretty solid to interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm all, if it's basically what I said in the discord, in short, is if they had said, hey, we're gonna put out some fun of horror books from fun teams, period, then I think people would be like, oh, cool, would they have sold as well in versus being like, this is our new big publishing line, maybe not, but people who like fun horror books
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so mostly I think it was a problem of positioning more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to get back to my level of excitement, I, like I said earlier, I will read anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested in these teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not hyped for it, but I'm not unhyped for it either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically we'll read the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how connected the universe is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was also not hyped for the ultimate universe and then very quickly got into ultimate spider
[SPEAKER_02]: really liked and was interested in the other titles as well, so ultimately the proof is in what you are reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: This verb Nat tells in, wasn't there a non-powered miles railis of the 616 as you still alive and can get an orange and box absurd.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is already covered while I was at the podiatrist.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of comments earlier on the show about Nat's podiatrist and his feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are actually pivoting to feet as a website.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were going to stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why Justin Peter and here were changing it into a podcast and website called Pete's feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a peatious office feet and we're hoping to get more feet beyond that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're going to charge a lot of money for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, yes, there was a non-powered Biles were Alice that if I remember correctly, Brian Michael Beddis was teasing in Spider-Man and Spider-Man II.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we met him and he was older and evil if I remember correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I guess he'd get an archipox.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually curious if there was an archipox for Miles Morales in the new ultimate universe that could have got brought over.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think no, because
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a spider-man-arget box, and Biles comes out of a little bit spider-man, but also, there's no rules, so who does?
[SPEAKER_02]: Orlando Kelly, Jr. says, do you think it's necessary for Marvel to have the midnight line in response to the success of DC's absolute universe from a competition perspective?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here is my uninformed purely speculative opinion about this, because again, I think this goes back to the bleeding cool article where they were like,
[SPEAKER_02]: rich josted said very specifically this is their absolute universe meets vertigo which is a bunch of nonsense put together i don't even know what that means in terms of absolute vertigo
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, what I think this was and what I think this is is taking a look at the success of the ultimate line at Marvel and saying, okay, we did really well with this, not only are the individual issues selling well, but the trade paperbacks are selling well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something we've talked about a lot on the show, but Marvel,
[SPEAKER_02]: Despite having some good trades has always struggled a little bit with the bookstar market versus DC, who was always very dominant there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they announced that the ultimate universe was ending, you know, your mileage would be very about the actual execution of the stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that was actually in a way, a very smart decision to say we're not going to drag this on forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear with the beginning, middle and end of these stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Individually, in terms of title, and as a whole are so that they can live in bookstores, so we'll see, you know, five, 10, 20 years down the road, how it's seen an estimation out there selling, but it gives them a better possibility to be like, here you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the ultimate universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, doing exactly what image does, I think, really well with, like, there are invisible books where they have the individual trades, and then they'll release a box set, and then they'll release a compendium, and then an omnipossic, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a long window way of saying to get around into the midnight universe, I would bet the thought process is not.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we compete with absolute universe?
[SPEAKER_02]: Since the absolute universe is a copy of the original ultimate universe and just happened to come out at the same time as the ultimate universe, as well as the fact that DC has been trying to do something like the absolute universe multiple times over the years with not quite as much success.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's
[SPEAKER_02]: universe that can live separately on bookshelves and sell well into the future when we again hopefully tell a beginning middle and end of a story rather than the forever story of the regular line of Marvel Comics that is always an impediment for people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's purely speculation, but I think that's what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a way to appeal to horror readers who might not be necessarily into mainstream superhero comics because manga is getting too far afield and that'll wrap this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like manga goes to all places, manga is huge in the horror realm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And other than Marvel zombies and other than walking dead, I'm hard pressed to think of a lot of titles that are really broken through and exactly the same way in the horror realm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I actually do think for a business perspective if that's how they're coming out of it, it's kind of a smart thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a very long answer to your very short question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you or Lando.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Derek Maynard.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think is wrong with Nat's feet?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what's wrong with Nat's feet and that it hits it's that he's not on Pete's feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your number one source for Pete's feet and other feet on the internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're that I'm pointing with my finger when we're talking about feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Notes from Vidal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only started getting into comics in July.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any advice for less known stories runs that I should add to my T2B read pile.
[SPEAKER_02]: For superheroes, I've only gone super deep on Batman and also into preacher now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, okay, so the tough thing about this question is always like, what do you like, what do you actually like to read?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that says it's the direction, but if you only go on super deep into Batman, there's certainly other places you can go on DC.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to continue to explore that, I am a big fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've read Batman Long Halloween, for example,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mention this all the time, but highly recommend checking super bad for all seasons, which is also by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sal, you can go into other superman books that are more stand alone, like superman birthright, if I remember, is pretty good for Wonder Woman, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go back a little bit and say like pick up the absolute line as well, pick up absolute Batman if you haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: also definitely absolutely wonder woman and absolutely superman.
[SPEAKER_02]: See if you want to go to the others.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are like we would talk about relatively new universes so you can kind of go from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in terms of preacher, if you want to go for other Garth Ns, no better type than down to read the boys.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is exactly as Rochie and Profade.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing you could potentially read from Garth Edis is Punisher Bax, which is really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's as it don't take on Punisher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if you really want to track down some of his war stories, you can do that as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a lot to get you started, but always happy to offer up some ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Straightbow that says, you get a lot of cool free stuff to try from companies who want you to review or promote what has been your favorite thing from the last few months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably invincible versus which I got a code from skybound to play and then past extra code along to one of our Patreon supporters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't say which one but it was offered to discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but that video game came out and it is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked about it a couple of times here on the podcast very fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not super into fight of games, but it's really easy to pick up, really easy to get into.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is this three versus three tag thing where you choose three characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: and fight against three characters at it as this extra layer of strategy that's very different from just the regular button mashing that I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: My son has completely taken it over and backs it out and platinum to now he's going online and he's rising at the rags.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's going to be a competitive invisible versus player anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's that's probably the most fun thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and then oh also off of that print street pizza gave me a free burger mart invincible versus pizza um... i don't know if i told this part of the story this is much of a story but i so the pizza has
[SPEAKER_02]: Burger, lettuce, burger meat, ground burger meat, lettuce, mustard, burger sauce, burger mart sauce, which is probably like special sauce on a big Mac.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also sesame seeds, American cheese, mozzarella cheese, and forgetting something in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, like, oh, pickles, it has pickles on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, shockingly delicious pizza, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, the game of the pizza, I waited at the print street pizza.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, hey, you can take it in the backyard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to like film something, which I did, I wanted to film something for our social outlets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I could put up a video about reviewing the burger bar pizza for invincible versus.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I took to the backyard and there was a, they were giving out a code.
[SPEAKER_02]: for invincible versus you can get a print street pizza skin for it for the game for invincible so he's in the colors of print street pizza and there was a guy in the backyard who I talked to a later great guy very nice huge comic book that because it was asking me when i was doing but while he was sitting there he was on the phone doing telling his
[SPEAKER_02]: uppercase w lowercase g three and i was like oh my god how long is this code and it went on for a i want to say forty digits or something like that i don't know if he was giving multiple codes but i was unable to take it in the backyard i tried ended up eating half the slice of this very heavy pizza is the point of my story but i couldn't get anything usable for the footage so i was like you know what i'm going to take this home on tape there
[SPEAKER_02]: God home, I was like, all right, I got to start with a new slice of pizza.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eight, the second slice of pizza went to edit the video.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I edited it, I don't know what happened to my audio, but everything sounded like it was underwater, and I couldn't use any of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, oh my God, I got to tape this again.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, it was 10 o'clock at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had already had dinner before I found out that I was going to get this pizza, and print street pizza, that they were going to give me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eight, two of these slices of pizza, and then I had to eat a third slice of this pizza,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is so delicious at how I try to have my same reaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had the first time when I was tasting it I was so sick the next day up, but still very cool Anyway, Brendan Holder says what's a comic book limited on going that you think CBC fans need to be reading?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh So many comic books.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know if this is jumping ahead a little bit, but I'm gonna give a shout out to a book that's coming out tomorrow That I was really surprised by
[SPEAKER_02]: is showdown number one for big edition press.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is about a woman who comes back to town, wanting to have a showdown with the guy she blames for the death of her brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to see why they're having the showdown from her perspective, why they're having the showdown from his perspective,
[SPEAKER_02]: there is going to be a showdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels kind of like southern bastards and video char a little bit, but very impressed by that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not really necessarily a great answer to your question, but that's top of mine because it's coming out tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this from nothing here 7777, every time I listen to a writer giving you an interview, they're always at a great mood in their life, it's so great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever done an interview where it went off the opposite way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Brian Asarello, almost every time we've talked to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we... And this is not derogatory early because the thing just too he is, but the first couple of times we interviewed Brian Asarello about D.C. stuff, and you'll see him do this on panels as well all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have my questions prepared and I would be prepared for like, okay, we have like five to ten minutes on a convention floor with Brian as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he asked him something and you I'm making up a question here, but you're like, hey, see Rochoker and it's much of a darker take on it than usually expect with Batman, how do you get into that headspace and he'd be like, you just do.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you're like, oh my god, is that it?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine, I have five to 10 more questions here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're done with the five to 10 questions and about 30 seconds and you're just sweating bullets because you don't know what to do and you're supposed to be doing a video.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in these cases, we're interviewing, we're working for NewsRommer next to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Networks are somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just doing it for ourselves, so it couldn't be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: bracket rid of this video.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was very stressful.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I figured out after like the second or third interview for him with him is if you asked him about something he wants to talk about, he gets animated and interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those interviews would definitely feel like they're hitting a wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: But once I cracked the Brian as a railroad code and that really comes with like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't depend, he's not going to say much about Batman or whatever work for a higher thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's done, even if he's put his heart in solid to it, there's just not much that he wants to say, but you talk to him about like 100 bullets or blood brothers, mother or something like that, that he's going to open up and actually chat about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also helps if you have questions for him that are going to challenge it in some way that are not easy to answer with no or yes, because if he can't answer with no or yes,
[SPEAKER_02]: that's always going to do because that's his bit, that's what he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of it is you can get an interview subject that's very bad, but then you as the interviewer have to figure out how to get out what you want out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it doesn't always work that way, sometimes you're running too well, but
[SPEAKER_02]: there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see a lot of questions about Pete's feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can check it out at pithfeed.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a good question for Derek.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I will there be a solo we can geek.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's going to be a solo we can geek this week and I do apologize to our Patreon listeners about that just because
[SPEAKER_02]: I have now been talking for a while here on this live show, but also I got on to watch the Punisher Live later, maybe we could do a Punisher Live reaction or something, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it'll just be a camera of me while you watching while I type up a recap.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there will be a stack this week, the stack is also going to be solo, so I do apologize about that, but that's already been taped, and that's going to go up at the feeds at the door all time, and it'll just be me talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin and R.P.
[SPEAKER_02]: should be back next week so we should be back to our regularly regular schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great question here from Gary Rom, follow up on the free pizza.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you eat a piece of three bites?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because this pizza was huge and thick and covered in pickles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there would be any way to eat that in three bites.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do feel bad that I didn't try.
[SPEAKER_02]: in three bytes on camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will donate $25 to the charity of the choice or otherwise you can get a $25 gift card to be dead comics, so there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's it, unless I missed something, I'm sorry, if I did, but I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'll just mention this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is for Brad Holler.
[SPEAKER_02]: So funny, I was here at Tiffany Badd mentioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing when she was on off panel preparing enough questions for interviews with someone might give you short than expected answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, I work freelance professionally as an entertainment journalist
[SPEAKER_02]: you get a sense of how long an interview is going to be time wise and how many questions you'll need to fill it and I usually try to write twice that just so I'm prepared because every once in a while you get somebody who is too media trained particularly when we're I'm talking to like a TV star or a movie star or something like that there's somebody who has their sound bites down so even if you ask them something there's not exactly
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my quicky little thing that's one said this law and you're like oh, I didn't give me anything so a lot of that is
[SPEAKER_02]: And I always tell younger journalists as well, like over prepare for everything, right up with the questions, but also the other important part of it is listening to your subjects as much as possible, because not just for late that your interview, but if they mentioned something in a question, just like in a real conversation, following up on it, is a good thing to do with engages of the more.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just like it's a very simple trick, but be like, oh, and I know I did this with Chris earlier, but I was legitimately interested.
[SPEAKER_02]: saying, oh, you mentioned earlier in the middle of that, this thing, can you expand on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's clearly something they already like talking about, so you pull that out of the middleboard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so there you go, uh, Nat Towson mentions, by the way, and I'll do one last plug here before you wrap up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should also join the discord because we're always recommending indie books.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, I have been loving on our discord lately, uh, exactly what Nat is talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have had people reading and talking about books that legitimately I have never,
[SPEAKER_02]: heard of, that sound fascinating, that they give really impassioned recommendations for or against.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also a lot of talk about covers and collecting, which is definitely outside of my sphere.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you are interested, patreon.com slash comic book club, it's $2 to get into the discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get our back catalogue of podcasts going all the way back to 2011 and I know, again, I'm doing it ad, but
[SPEAKER_02]: I've really enjoyed, I've been really enjoying hanging out of there and hopefully all of you will as well and that is it for your audience questions boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop bo
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, just to wrap up here normally we do trivia since Pete is off we aren't going to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, instead we're going to talk about some books that I'll recommend tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I already mentioned the ignition book, showdown, which I thought was pretty great.
[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of others as I'm looking through my list here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very curious to check out Barbara Gordon breakout number one, which is the next level title, Mariko Tamaki is writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on Kano Hulpen is doing the art.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just a fan of Barbara Gordida, Bureka Tobaki, and I like to amcane to pull the pen as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's definitely one to keep an eye out for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll also mention I did have a chance to read this one a couple of months back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Destination Kill number one, this is from O'Neigh Press, this is written drawn by Joe Palmer.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you like judge dread, but even funnier at a little more cartoony, I think this is what to check out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably
[SPEAKER_02]: the closest way to describe it it is future sci-fi with over the top macho cops and it's pretty funny I had a good time reading that one last one I'll give a shout out to you because I've been talking for a while and you're all tired if hearing me I'm sure
[SPEAKER_02]: is touched by a demon number four from Dark Horse Comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had Kristen Goodstock, the writer and artist on the show the previous week, and this is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just a funny creative book about a demon who opens up a self-help shop, and it goes horribly wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it really makes me laugh out loud every issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm bummed that it's wrapping up with this fourth issue, but hopefully, like she said, by the trade, hopefully there will be more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And folks, that is it for this week's show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much to Chris Condon for coming on to talk about all his stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget to check out Ultimate Impact Report on May 20th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also of the earth coming out May 20th from image comics next week on the show We'll see if we can actually get some midnight information out of our guest Benjamin Percy is going to be here specifically is going to be here to talk about the end times his new Spaper that is being collected that he co-wrote with Stephen Kain
[SPEAKER_02]: but I'm sure we'll get into his comic book work as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We will be doing an episode for the Punisher as soon as I could ragle Justin and our peats that may be running on the late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been recapping the final season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, this week's episode may be running a little late because of Justin and peat being busy, but we will get it done.
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