WEBVTT 00:03.136 --> 00:05.359 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a gay up name for a gay up podcast. 00:06.100 --> 00:20.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Sydney James Hardcore is taking a break from being a fuking sexy, faughty, rump, tum, tugger in cats, the jellicle ball on broodway, which I was lucky enough to see just a couple of months ago. 00:20.197 --> 00:23.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Sydney James Hardcore, how are you doing today? 00:23.774 --> 00:34.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm super gay if it will use said before we hit record are you allowed to sip a protein shake before we hit and I would say that that's very gay affirming to sip protein. 00:34.315 --> 00:34.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you agree? 00:34.957 --> 00:43.133 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree especially to honor Gaga and don't you releasing runway the video. 00:44.210 --> 00:52.303 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I would feel like pouring it all over my face and doing some like hop on guard like moves on the floor, but you know, I need the person so I'm not going to do that. 00:52.404 --> 00:59.756 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, we cannot waste protein in this economy, Sydney James Hardcore, and I'm glad that you are getting all of your grams. 01:00.717 --> 01:03.803 [SPEAKER_01]: Since the girls are probably going to want to know, what is what are you tasting? 01:03.843 --> 01:05.325 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the flavor of your protein? 01:05.405 --> 01:06.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you brand loyal? 01:06.848 --> 01:09.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us the BTS on your protein girl. 01:09.472 --> 01:11.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, interesting. 01:11.855 --> 01:25.795 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually having Emari light, which is a whole food protein because plant protein doesn't really do it, but I can't have way because she's lactose. 01:25.815 --> 01:33.866 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, yes, so the breakouts, oh my god, can't. 01:33.886 --> 01:38.753 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is banana nut bread, but not by choice. 01:39.425 --> 01:41.769 [SPEAKER_02]: what I want is peanut butter cookie. 01:42.129 --> 01:46.377 [SPEAKER_02]: But apparently, so does everyone else in America and the rest of the world. 01:46.417 --> 01:49.962 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a worse crisis, I think, than the straight of Hormuz. 01:50.503 --> 01:55.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I call it the gay of Hormuz that I can't get my peanut butter cookie. 01:55.732 --> 02:01.562 [SPEAKER_02]: But I did get one, I ordered one canister that I found it while I was just at the gym. 02:01.842 --> 02:05.348 [SPEAKER_02]: So I take, I take Miss Ginger, 02:05.885 --> 02:12.857 [SPEAKER_02]: And I put it in there and I put three frozen strawberries in there ice water. 02:13.546 --> 02:16.091 [SPEAKER_02]: and I put a spoonful of peanut butter. 02:16.592 --> 02:25.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're making do, and I think we have to announce the official next global pandemic, which is where is the peanut butter cookie? 02:25.668 --> 02:26.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to get it from? 02:27.131 --> 02:37.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least you are feeling fueled with this current flavor and getting all the energy you need to be doing eight shows a week, and one of the highest energy shows on Broadway. 02:37.289 --> 02:56.968 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to say you are not only killing it in Cats the Jolico Ball for anybody listening who might not know Sydney James Hardcore was in the OG cast of Hamilton you have a stunning home in Michigan you were raised in Detroit we got to talk about you went to inner lock and arts academy I went to camp there for a couple of summers 02:56.948 --> 03:06.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just had an appearance on dads and daddy's podcast and gave us some horny tea there which I'm going to be following up on. 03:07.225 --> 03:12.073 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into some really hot top eaks. 03:12.514 --> 03:16.240 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one, is it new for you for people to be asking about 03:16.220 --> 03:19.343 [SPEAKER_01]: you're like sex app, situation. 03:19.383 --> 03:23.988 [SPEAKER_01]: You felt very comfortable talking about on dads and daddies, but is this something that's new for you? 03:24.228 --> 03:27.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Are people always sort of getting in your grill about your personal life? 03:28.933 --> 03:30.274 [SPEAKER_02]: No, 100% new. 03:30.354 --> 03:34.879 [SPEAKER_02]: No one has ever cared about anything, having to do it with my personal life prior to cats. 03:35.560 --> 03:43.948 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not something that I say, 03:44.654 --> 03:58.677 [SPEAKER_02]: in industry circles, or even, you know, with definitely with friends, like, you know, sure, but that's, you know, a smaller circle. 03:59.098 --> 04:05.228 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, but I, you know, had watched a few of 04:05.478 --> 04:21.951 [SPEAKER_02]: the, you know, episodes of Dead's and Dead's and new that, okay, this isn't, you know, a like so what's your favorite color kind of podcast and one of the things about Tugger in general. 04:22.184 --> 04:51.921 [SPEAKER_02]: that has you know changed me every role I think that you play changes you in some way about an aspect of your personality that you have to tap into and then you like you know portray and one of the things about Tugger is that he just really really doesn't give a fuck 04:52.475 --> 04:56.844 [SPEAKER_02]: like caring about slut shaming or anything having to do with that. 04:56.904 --> 05:01.874 [SPEAKER_02]: He does what he does, and there's no doing anything about it. 05:02.375 --> 05:13.757 [SPEAKER_02]: So I made a pact with myself that when I went on dads and daddies, the questions that they asked I was going to just go ahead and 05:13.957 --> 05:36.252 [SPEAKER_02]: answer however I wanted and you know boomer banks who's a friend of mine I had watched his episode and that's even how I got like hooked up with them because I saw his episode on there and I commented on you know in the comments on one of them and then they hit me up I was like well it can't get any more revealing than the things a bit boomer talks about. 05:38.206 --> 05:47.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, listen, we, I completely co-sign the idea of leaning into the Runtub Tuggetness of No Shame. 05:47.376 --> 05:56.546 [SPEAKER_01]: And I identify with you many ways because I think that, you know, when you're an actor playing a role, you want to obviously, like, stay employable. 05:56.686 --> 06:02.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, like, there's fears in this industry of, like, either saying something that might make someone look at you a certain way. 06:02.192 --> 06:02.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And 06:02.472 --> 06:09.745 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, also we think of like what what our families say if they were to hear something like that and, you know, hosting something called that's a gay ass podcast. 06:09.846 --> 06:18.321 [SPEAKER_01]: It's taken me five years to get much more comfortable talking about whether it's my own personal life, whether it's just how I feel about. 06:18.301 --> 06:19.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Sex in general. 06:19.583 --> 06:48.122 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it really is sort of a healing part of being a creative person and seeing how it can influence your the way you move through the world as a human being because everything you said on dads and daddies was just like so interesting to me and of course sexy and we will of course be doing a bit follow-up of Andy Cohen towards the end of this just to give those people a tease but let's talk about cash the jellicle ball before we get into any more 06:48.102 --> 06:53.172 [SPEAKER_01]: which really cat's a jellicle ball is of course set in the ballroom community. 06:53.232 --> 06:58.101 [SPEAKER_01]: It is by far the most magical production of cats anybody will ever see. 06:58.622 --> 07:02.149 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're getting to connect with some crazy cool people. 07:02.269 --> 07:06.256 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, you just posted what yesterday or recently that Hugh Jackman came to the show. 07:06.317 --> 07:07.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 07:08.380 --> 07:10.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there any sexual tension between the two of you? 07:11.305 --> 07:15.329 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm maybe one side of it. 07:18.032 --> 07:23.417 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was with Sutton, and I was just trying to do who, you know, I've been on younger. 07:23.437 --> 07:30.945 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I, you know, we've worked together before, and so I just was, I kept it really friendly. 07:30.985 --> 07:40.975 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm also just sort of like, you know, it's Hugh Jackman, and, and so again, you know, you can keep a professional. 07:41.410 --> 08:03.823 [SPEAKER_02]: how professional it can you keep it when you've gotten almost completely naked in front of them truly and you know these are actors as well so it's not like there was any like any stiffness or any boundaries it just was really he was just really really really friendly and like I even want to say like big brotherly like he 08:04.276 --> 08:06.699 [SPEAKER_02]: recognize that we have a similar type. 08:06.759 --> 08:07.800 [SPEAKER_02]: He played Gaston. 08:08.141 --> 08:19.494 [SPEAKER_02]: He talked about that with me and asked me like how I'm doing like keeping my size and being able to get workouts in while I'm doing a show that's so cardio heavy. 08:19.694 --> 08:29.946 [SPEAKER_02]: He really understood like the mechanics of the kind of stuff that I have to like think about as you know somebody who's doing a body role in a show. 08:29.926 --> 08:43.530 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that happened to me off Broadway was that I was worried that I wasn't going to get like lean enough for like opening night Yeah, and then I felt like I just made it but girl the run 08:44.000 --> 09:08.033 [SPEAKER_02]: it turned me into a skeleton and like then like I don't like to eat before a show like I don't want to have a full stomach so then like you're eating after the show but you've got to pack in like two meals in order to get enough of like to keep you know like muscle on your body so um he got that and um so it really was this kind of like you know brother thing and then 09:08.013 --> 09:17.850 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the moment, I'm just like, you know, so happy and just the everything around cats and that surrounding cats is so surreal all the time. 09:17.870 --> 09:32.755 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm just in the reality of that moment and then later you get the pictures back and you see these images of like you and this icon and it just like it comes back to you like, well, 09:33.764 --> 09:50.721 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine what it's like on a weekly basis because not only are you standing with Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman, but then like there's very recent footage of Lin Manuel Miranda and Angela Dweber being on stage with you, then you have stories about Melissa McCarthy asking to see you backstage. 09:50.761 --> 09:53.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you are constantly 09:53.727 --> 10:06.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Being confronted in the best possible way with these legends, but I can only imagine the sort of like out-of-body experience it must be, but you seem to be very present through it. 10:07.344 --> 10:09.390 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say though that. 10:09.370 --> 10:26.772 [SPEAKER_01]: the the horniness on stage and what you're wearing it's unbelievable to see a rump-tum-tugger giving what like it's almost like giving G string it's giving like you've got a few threads holding that outfit together do you um do you find that you are because of the cardio stuff of the show 10:26.752 --> 10:40.800 [SPEAKER_01]: You're obviously not going out after the show, are you feeling all of your sexual energy is being taken up on stage or are you able to enjoy your life outside of it at all? 10:41.682 --> 10:44.307 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say it's definitely like an outlet. 10:44.367 --> 10:47.393 [SPEAKER_02]: The show is definitely an outlet for 10:47.980 --> 11:15.996 [SPEAKER_02]: like feeling sexual, you know what I mean like versus like you go through your day you go shopping you do your chart you tours or whatever you're not necessarily you know the feeling sexual whereas with this part in the show I'm always sort of highly aware of people like staring at me staring at my crotch staring at my ass even just in like the regular 11:15.976 --> 11:36.110 [SPEAKER_02]: and not the juxtap, which, and I'm fully like besides the moment of reveal, I'm fully then on stage in it, at least ten, you know, 15 minutes of stage action talking to some of the stage managers like, how did I lose? 11:36.530 --> 11:41.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that, what is it those carbs? 11:41.098 --> 11:42.220 [SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't 11:42.200 --> 11:43.922 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then it's charged. 11:43.962 --> 11:52.912 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one guy I mean people obviously like some guys like try to give you their number like in the middle of skimble shanks Yeah, come over here. 11:52.932 --> 12:00.860 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk to you Thank you, like literally I'm like doing stage action in the middle of singing and they're like trying to talk to me one guy. 12:00.900 --> 12:07.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got it was so funny Every single time I looked over at him he'd go 12:08.660 --> 12:37.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop 12:37.010 --> 12:46.826 [SPEAKER_02]: But then, like, so outside of the show, maybe on Sundays after the show, I'll consider going out. 12:47.627 --> 12:52.595 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, on a school night, it's never going to happen for me. 12:52.615 --> 12:55.440 [SPEAKER_02]: I am really nervous about 12:55.690 --> 13:00.317 [SPEAKER_02]: going to public places in general because of colds. 13:01.098 --> 13:04.022 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just like everywhere. 13:04.042 --> 13:09.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And so Brooklyn Heights came and was a guest judge last Sunday. 13:10.331 --> 13:12.374 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's a friend. 13:12.394 --> 13:19.605 [SPEAKER_02]: So afterwards, we went out to Paradisco at the standard. 13:19.585 --> 13:27.823 [SPEAKER_02]: and turned it like with with Mustafa Lee's and like had a time and actually 13:28.850 --> 13:53.187 [SPEAKER_02]: another brand new experience for me, which, you know, moving here as a teenager and like having to sneak into clubs or like waiting lines or whatever, I kind of, we had a group with us, it was like six people and we'd come from the show so we got out of the cab and, you know, we're waiting behind like the, you know, stand with the rope and, um, 13:53.707 --> 14:15.613 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in the back and, you know, you know, we kind of go up and then the door person's like looking is waiting for a second and then sees me and goes Whoever's with him, his group come right on in and like can't like I walked up to I thought it was like I was like and I walked up to the front and they were like, 14:16.049 --> 14:17.530 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you in cats. 14:17.611 --> 14:18.552 [SPEAKER_02]: I came with Connie. 14:18.792 --> 14:28.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Legendary, door, Connie, and was like, caches my everything, and I love what you guys are doing. 14:28.161 --> 14:34.348 [SPEAKER_02]: Meet me at the back bar when you get up stairs, and I'll have drink tickets for you. 14:34.688 --> 14:36.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on. 14:37.150 --> 14:40.774 [SPEAKER_02]: Like royalty, the whole group, it was crazy. 14:40.754 --> 14:41.395 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? 14:41.515 --> 15:07.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that like in a beautiful way, like sure it's a example of how this production is touching people lives, but if we zoom even more out in a woo-woo way, I live in LA so I have to be a woo-woo bitch, but there's like the years of you taking the bull by the horns as a teenager moving to New York and sacrificing so much of your life to like climb the ladder and get to Broadway and work so hard and now. 15:07.923 --> 15:17.554 [SPEAKER_01]: We can, in addition to the hard work, enjoy the fruits of our labor because it's just so, it's just so cool to see us watching somebody who's worked so hard. 15:17.994 --> 15:22.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we know about how you're doing now, I think it only makes sense to go into your lore. 15:23.040 --> 15:31.269 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to ask you, Sydney James Hardcore, the famous podcast question, which is, whose fault is it that you're gay? 15:31.310 --> 15:36.175 [SPEAKER_02]: Who do we blame? 15:36.458 --> 15:49.230 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple sources of blame, but say the first one is Haines, because of the sexy, sexy underwear boxes that they made. 15:50.351 --> 16:05.284 [SPEAKER_02]: And like in my like earliest gay awakenings, which was 16:05.652 --> 16:07.916 [SPEAKER_02]: that was what I was. 16:07.936 --> 16:24.842 [SPEAKER_02]: I also realized that like I had this like just sort of fascination with other boys, like you know and like 16:25.362 --> 16:29.586 [SPEAKER_02]: the way there's sweatpants fell and like, what's in there? 16:30.447 --> 16:42.339 [SPEAKER_02]: And if I was going shopping with my mom or we walked to TJ Maxx or something, I would be like, I'm going to go look at socks or something and then I would very like discreetly walk through the underwear aisle. 16:42.780 --> 16:49.426 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I'm a male child in an underwear, sex, a males underwear section. 16:49.446 --> 16:50.647 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's fine, right? 16:51.008 --> 16:51.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:51.789 --> 16:52.349 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine. 16:53.130 --> 16:54.171 [SPEAKER_02]: But 16:56.125 --> 17:02.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, just really trying not to, like, stare, but catch a glimpse at the underwear box so that I can Like, lower it. 17:02.336 --> 17:12.193 [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of gay boys who have spent our studying the boxes of Haynes packaging in TJ Maxx is around the globe. 17:12.173 --> 17:28.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Dillard's is and they see sees and I mean it's just a call calls if you're nasty It's a tail as old as T. M. Poe and I I love it underwear keeps coming up in this interview already because 17:28.643 --> 17:31.687 [SPEAKER_01]: the Rumpton Tucker of it all, wearing the jock strap, the hands of it all. 17:32.208 --> 17:38.316 [SPEAKER_01]: As a gay journalist, can you tell the listeners what Cindy James Hart court is currently sporting? 17:38.456 --> 17:39.437 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a brief king? 17:39.477 --> 17:40.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we boxed or brief? 17:40.659 --> 17:41.500 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we something else? 17:41.560 --> 17:43.062 [SPEAKER_01]: What is what's happening on the day? 17:43.082 --> 17:43.923 [SPEAKER_02]: Boxed or brief? 17:44.183 --> 17:47.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a guy and I wear a, um, 17:48.691 --> 18:12.437 [SPEAKER_02]: a brand called Beneath that they're like kind of thin and sort of cooling so they're good but the thing I love about them the most is that they have like a pouch in the front so to keep the boys from slide back too far. 18:13.109 --> 18:17.435 [SPEAKER_01]: listen and support is important emotionally and boldly. 18:18.116 --> 18:22.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you said that Haynes half made you gay. 18:22.442 --> 18:23.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. 18:23.844 --> 18:26.188 [SPEAKER_01]: You grew up in also the mailman. 18:26.689 --> 18:27.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, say more. 18:27.550 --> 18:43.032 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's Haynes, obviously, and then as I said, like, you know, the boys at school, but my God, the 18:43.619 --> 18:52.636 [SPEAKER_02]: short, tight, short, stocky, hairy legs, and I just loved when he would come to the door. 18:53.257 --> 19:00.531 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just my favorite thing, and I don't know, I mean he had to know, like, if he ever liked delivered something to the door, I don't think I'd been like, hi. 19:00.511 --> 19:07.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I co-sign that there is something about a uniform, whether it is the U.S. 19:07.962 --> 19:21.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Postal cervix, or if you're nasty, if it's a doctor, if it is a military man, there's something I truly have also seen many a male man that I would love to devour. 19:21.782 --> 19:25.387 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's probably why like the legally blonde trope of it all with the U.S. 19:26.048 --> 19:26.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait. 19:26.549 --> 19:39.445 [SPEAKER_01]: is that what what what mail delivery service is the the legally blonde guy working that comes to deliver a package to or fae slash Jennifer Coolidge is he UPS I think he might be UPS is he FedEx? 19:39.880 --> 19:41.602 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's FedEx, I think it's UPS. 19:41.622 --> 19:47.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, we support his truth, but yeah, I also love your appreciation of a strong hairy leg. 19:48.011 --> 19:50.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's important for us to really double down on too. 19:52.316 --> 19:55.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you say then that you are a size queen in terms of height? 19:55.360 --> 20:00.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you find that you are being pulled towards someone towering above? 20:01.027 --> 20:04.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Powerfully crouching below? 20:04.171 --> 20:05.653 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your height? 20:05.673 --> 20:08.537 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that sexy guys. 20:08.872 --> 20:12.077 [SPEAKER_02]: truly come in all shapes and sizes. 20:12.097 --> 20:20.110 [SPEAKER_02]: It really is a lot of it for me, is about like confidence and game. 20:22.614 --> 20:28.804 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, a confident guy is, 20:29.020 --> 20:32.705 [SPEAKER_02]: in and of itself like a sexy thing. 20:33.446 --> 20:37.753 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, confident in their personality and who they are and what they're trying to, you know, they're offering. 20:38.353 --> 20:46.405 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I will say that it is a unique, a more unique experience for me in life. 20:46.655 --> 20:59.694 [SPEAKER_02]: to be with someone who makes me feel like a smaller guy, so there is an allure to that, but it's not say something that is a determining factor for me. 20:59.935 --> 21:06.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, we all have the things that get us soaking wet, but it doesn't mean that we only subscribe to that one specific thing. 21:06.905 --> 21:36.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, since there are a few things I want to make sure to land on in this chat, not only the state of Broadway talking about sort of as the Tony Awards approach, the final show has just open, so I want to get your guests on what might win best musical, but before that, it would be against my religion to not talk about inner lock-in as someone who has some formative experiences 21:36.301 --> 21:41.210 [SPEAKER_01]: board school during the year for students to study all the arts over the summers. 21:41.270 --> 21:42.272 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really great camp. 21:42.372 --> 21:43.514 [SPEAKER_01]: You're wearing uniforms. 21:43.614 --> 21:44.636 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very regimented. 21:44.656 --> 21:45.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Very intense. 21:45.798 --> 21:52.751 [SPEAKER_01]: You double majored in voice and dance at interlocking and obviously the creative part of it. 21:52.811 --> 21:53.933 [SPEAKER_01]: I find to be really exciting. 21:53.974 --> 21:56.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it really was huge for me, but. 21:56.939 --> 22:01.125 [SPEAKER_01]: I never got my like first gay experience, which is what I wanted when I was there. 22:01.205 --> 22:02.226 [SPEAKER_01]: I was too afraid. 22:02.286 --> 22:03.328 [SPEAKER_01]: I was too closet. 22:03.388 --> 22:04.349 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not ready. 22:04.970 --> 22:08.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that where you had your first gay experiences or was it not till after? 22:08.194 --> 22:11.518 [SPEAKER_02]: I came out there. 22:11.999 --> 22:13.261 [SPEAKER_02]: I did. 22:13.381 --> 22:23.895 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the reasons I was so excited to go there is because I just like Detroit public schools were nightmare for me. 22:24.456 --> 22:25.377 [SPEAKER_02]: And 22:25.897 --> 22:32.110 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really wanted to be somewhere where I knew like I could at least tell one person. 22:32.933 --> 22:49.379 [SPEAKER_02]: And I did that almost right away because I'm not somebody who likes to have secrets that I have to always be negotiating around. 22:50.421 --> 22:51.402 [SPEAKER_02]: It's too much brain power. 22:51.462 --> 22:52.724 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have the time for it. 22:58.453 --> 22:59.515 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm an 23:00.406 --> 23:27.510 [SPEAKER_02]: being able, it was definitely a gay experience for me to finally be able to like in a school body, feel like I can express myself and to never have to apologize about like some things to like, you know, wear crazy things, you know, I've word like shoes with rainbow souls in middle school 23:27.895 --> 23:36.064 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, I, you know, I, we could wear like, you know, we had a whole, we had a whole, like, department of, like, fashion. 23:36.545 --> 23:44.254 [SPEAKER_02]: So, like, yeah, we could wear like something that somebody had knitted and it's just covering like your crotch and like my body, right? 23:44.274 --> 23:51.482 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, and in these dance classes, I'm, you know, in tights and, you know, and then send these unitards and costumes and put it on makeup. 23:51.502 --> 23:56.147 [SPEAKER_02]: So that experience, yes, I, uh, never, 23:56.380 --> 24:09.778 [SPEAKER_02]: I really, I mean, I, I didn't even like have like sex, sex like, you know, like more than blow jobs until I was 26. 24:09.798 --> 24:12.442 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting. 24:12.822 --> 24:16.127 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you say was the factor that led you to wait till then? 24:16.948 --> 24:22.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, on, in terms of just like the like sex sex part, I had this 24:22.773 --> 24:48.342 [SPEAKER_02]: in saying notion that I was going to wait until I had like net my true love like my boyfriend girl and you're not alone I have the same it's a Midwest I'm from the Midwest I think it's a Midwest or anything it's like we wanted to do the the straight thing right right right and you just feel like oh no it's special yes and you know whatever but then also just on a level you know I just 24:49.030 --> 25:05.137 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't attractive to the people I was attracted to, um, I often was just like, devastated by people who were just like, yeah, I'm just not into you. 25:05.939 --> 25:12.169 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, and that persisted for a while. 25:12.453 --> 25:34.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the gay community at least like at large in New York can, I mean, it's less so now, but when I first moved here was just very, very, very like white centric and 25:35.099 --> 25:40.589 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was pervasive in the spaces at least where I was. 25:40.989 --> 25:41.731 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:42.151 --> 25:52.009 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I just wasn't somebody who was looked at as a attractive in that way. 25:52.710 --> 25:56.837 [SPEAKER_02]: And it led me to not feel attractive. 25:57.121 --> 26:23.533 [SPEAKER_02]: really truly like had to go through some stuff in my late teens and like very early 20s where I had to like get my head right and stop sending myself negative messages about how I looked all the time because I would like it got to the point where I would cover the mirrors in my house so that I my apartment so that I wouldn't 26:23.969 --> 26:28.295 [SPEAKER_02]: look at myself as I walked by and say something shitty in my head. 26:29.676 --> 26:36.525 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt too pretty, you know, underneath this beard handy, this skin is a lot of that. 26:36.646 --> 26:42.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Part of the lid, hey, and so I just felt like I wasn't like rugged. 26:42.273 --> 26:48.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't, I just wasn't what anybody was looking for. 26:48.910 --> 26:53.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Around 26, I started, I started like being able to travel a little more. 26:53.614 --> 27:03.003 [SPEAKER_02]: It was played on a gay volleyball league and we traveled all over the place doing, you know, like tournaments and whatnot. 27:03.563 --> 27:11.270 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was having like some cool hookups like throughout the midwest and like things, you know, where like things were a little more open-minded. 27:11.891 --> 27:18.917 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's around the time 27:19.235 --> 27:27.425 [SPEAKER_02]: who, um, that I met through the volleyball league who was straight, but then like, uh, came out. 27:27.685 --> 27:29.808 [SPEAKER_02]: He was, he was just in the training portion of it. 27:29.828 --> 27:35.915 [SPEAKER_02]: He did that on Saturdays and like, um, he then we became best friends and I just really thought we were friends. 27:35.955 --> 27:36.696 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so stupid. 27:37.256 --> 27:44.825 [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, then one day he just, you know, kind of like told me like he wanted to kiss me and then we like started this, like, toroid affair. 27:45.306 --> 27:46.187 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was such a mess. 27:46.167 --> 28:12.816 [SPEAKER_02]: and like he like had all of these like horrible, horrible baggage and you know especially for somebody who'd been out since their 15 and here you know we're both you know 25 and he's just trying it out and he wants me to meet his family and he wants to come out to them and then his friends are like you're not gay and he's like maybe you're right and he moves all this stuff after that I was like all right enough with this love stuff 28:13.370 --> 28:29.573 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be out there having sex like I want to know what that's like I want to know what it's about and I'm going to start my like horror era and and not I want to date. 28:30.008 --> 28:33.334 [SPEAKER_02]: actively do not want to date. 28:34.195 --> 28:36.219 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I want to focus on my career. 28:36.579 --> 28:46.697 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to have any emotional like disabilities because it felt like when you have your heart ripped out like it's so hard to recover. 28:47.057 --> 28:48.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God. 28:48.780 --> 28:50.944 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like no more, no more of that. 28:51.064 --> 28:54.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm done with that. 28:55.169 --> 29:09.810 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we were talking about interlocking and, you know, wonderful place and I do think I haven't for me to be able to express myself as an artist and to learn to just live as a gay person. 29:09.910 --> 29:15.017 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for me it wasn't a place to have, like, my first sexual experience. 29:15.301 --> 29:16.622 [SPEAKER_02]: for others, baby. 29:16.642 --> 29:19.585 [SPEAKER_02]: They are fucking like bunnies. 29:19.845 --> 29:45.190 [SPEAKER_02]: They are having all kinds of sex in practice rooms, and they're going to hate me and they're like, and for saying this, but it's true because years later, I hear about it from the students, like, about the stuff that they were doing, and, like, um, and, you know, how, like they had all of these, like crazy experiences, and, 29:45.457 --> 29:46.339 [SPEAKER_02]: goody two shoes. 29:46.759 --> 29:50.947 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first double major, by the way, I went there as a classical voice major. 29:51.588 --> 30:08.157 [SPEAKER_02]: I started taking general dance as my physical education credit and then got drafted into the dance department when one of the boys hurt themselves, hurt toward their rotator cuff and couldn't do the 30:08.137 --> 30:11.443 [SPEAKER_02]: the Arabian potto do in Nutcracker. 30:11.924 --> 30:13.506 [SPEAKER_02]: So they asked me if I would try learning it. 30:13.927 --> 30:26.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at Ben and I did and I was really good at it and then I asked if I could be a double major and then from that point forward it was music in the morning and then six hours of dance. 30:26.108 --> 30:54.546 [SPEAKER_01]: in the afternoon six days a week blazing my life a gosh darn trail i mean it's probably why you weren't horny and fucking an inner lockness because you were too busy doing a million classes and juggling all that but it's also i think listen inner lock and can't be upset if you put a bunch of gay kids in a boarding school in a beautiful location there's going to be a lot of body fluids and they can't expect anything else 30:54.526 --> 30:58.672 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's related to our kids, so they're all gay. 30:59.013 --> 30:59.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 31:02.358 --> 31:21.968 [SPEAKER_01]: I also want to just like co-sign that you waited a few years into your 20s to explore that because I was more or less the same way and I think that oftentimes we can look back with regret over not allowing ourselves to explore more earlier but you clearly weren't ready until you were ready. 31:21.948 --> 31:38.174 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it's really important to sort of like give care to our younger self and then all we can do is look to the future and whether it's being a sluddy or whether it's something creative. 31:38.234 --> 31:46.808 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like we're ready when we're ready. 31:48.863 --> 31:53.750 [SPEAKER_02]: like, and so I'd already, you know, kind of knew about myself, but I wasn't telling anybody. 31:53.830 --> 31:54.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:54.391 --> 31:57.896 [SPEAKER_02]: I had, um, I had a best friend, a very best friend. 31:58.577 --> 32:12.377 [SPEAKER_02]: And we had a, uh, then like a group of friends, like, that sort of were in the neighborhood and also like people we went to school with, that we play, like, you know, sports with or we would ride bikes with or we would do whatever we hang out, go ahead, have adventures, go in the woods, whatever. 32:12.417 --> 32:14.820 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was, 32:15.070 --> 32:16.592 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally in love with him. 32:17.133 --> 32:22.882 [SPEAKER_02]: He was beautiful, but obviously I was never going to like say anything. 32:22.942 --> 32:24.965 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like more popular in me at school. 32:25.065 --> 32:32.016 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like way more athletic and like, you know, just like beautiful blonde, whatever. 32:33.899 --> 32:37.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Years later, the Hamilton movie comes out. 32:37.905 --> 32:39.407 [SPEAKER_02]: He finds me 32:40.163 --> 32:44.068 [SPEAKER_02]: He's married, he's got three kids. 32:44.889 --> 32:46.631 [SPEAKER_02]: But he says, I followed your career. 32:46.691 --> 33:10.120 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry we lost contact after high school and like, but I, you know, have always been trying to like find you and finally like, I found this profile and like hit you up and like so he wanted to meet again and like reconnect and like we met up and then he confesses to me that like not only is he gay, 33:10.572 --> 33:35.567 [SPEAKER_02]: um that he was attracted to me the whole time and never he thought I would have a bad reaction if he said something about it so he never brought it up but he was having sex with all our friends oh and that made me like what you were doing it with Garrett and not me 33:36.307 --> 33:38.149 [SPEAKER_02]: You wanted his peanut butter cookie. 33:38.169 --> 33:43.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but at any rate, I don't have regrets about it. 33:44.998 --> 33:46.420 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have regrets about any of that. 33:46.500 --> 33:48.582 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I'm not a regret guy. 33:48.602 --> 34:04.963 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that like, you know, we've gotta, I think it's important for people to believe that there's like a path and like that the universe is looking out for us and that we can't maybe see why things are happening, but that they are the right thing that are going on. 34:04.943 --> 34:24.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, let's pray that all the engirls the universe has a journey for us in mind and all we can do is Be our authentic selves and look to the future, but I'm gonna look into the future at an invasive question Was that blonde guy that you connected back with was he married with children with a woman or was he with a was oh? 34:25.171 --> 34:25.632 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a woman. 34:26.313 --> 34:32.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she was a horrible rock troll and She 34:33.344 --> 34:35.888 [SPEAKER_02]: She's awful awful. 34:36.188 --> 34:36.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 34:36.749 --> 34:39.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you saying she was awful when you when you reconnected with him? 34:39.654 --> 34:40.355 [SPEAKER_01]: She was there too. 34:41.297 --> 34:57.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, so not at first, but then like she knew that he was like coming over to me and she also she You know, she didn't I think know that he was telling me all this stuff, but she knew that That he had a crush on me 34:57.728 --> 35:03.419 [SPEAKER_02]: So he wanted to her to come over, he was going to come over again. 35:03.439 --> 35:13.037 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I want to bring, you know, my wife over so you can meet her and there's like, my mom's house in Michigan, this is like during COVID, I had escaped from New York to Michigan for COVID. 35:13.057 --> 35:14.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, yeah, sure. 35:14.940 --> 35:19.669 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, in the same way that like, 35:20.476 --> 35:35.228 [SPEAKER_02]: straight guys always who are curious always want to like bring their wives to something for a like protection or feel like they've got to bring their wives be whatever and so keep her she was evil she just she could tell you could tell the jealousy. 35:35.714 --> 35:59.106 [SPEAKER_02]: that she felt that this she's finally confronted with the person that her husband has been for years talking about and like obsessing about and like you know whatever she was not cute girl she had like it was like the embodiment of all of the negative energy that I guess she harbored. 35:59.086 --> 36:01.711 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I was after that visit. 36:01.731 --> 36:02.893 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she was so rude. 36:02.934 --> 36:04.296 [SPEAKER_02]: She was so rude to him. 36:04.677 --> 36:14.336 [SPEAKER_02]: She kept like putting him down and kept and he would laugh it off and it made me so angry because I just want to slap her her and her mouth and like, don't you talk to my friend like that. 36:14.957 --> 36:18.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I just realized like, 36:18.661 --> 36:38.194 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't have this drama and it was very, very, very, very painful decision for me because I loved him so much to have to kind of stop contact with that because any time we had contact, it was like, oh, I just, man, I just want to come across this room right now and like, you know, whatever. 36:38.254 --> 36:41.499 [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't really feel that way anymore. 36:41.559 --> 36:43.723 [SPEAKER_02]: And 36:44.294 --> 36:49.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially with with with the baggage, I think that it doesn't exactly can you imagine? 36:49.282 --> 36:50.985 [SPEAKER_02]: She come over and kill me in my sleep. 36:51.005 --> 37:03.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 37:03.785 --> 37:05.812 [SPEAKER_01]: We send her a bit smart. 37:05.992 --> 37:16.748 [SPEAKER_02]: She could have been out and had a heated rivalry moment and yet Here's the whole thing like he told me that she had trapped him into marriage by by 37:17.065 --> 37:23.556 [SPEAKER_02]: like putting, you know, like holes in the condos, something like that, then like she got pregnant with whatever and no. 37:24.097 --> 37:25.339 [SPEAKER_02]: And he, yeah, yeah. 37:25.460 --> 37:31.390 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was with one of those and he just got trapped into it and he was gullible and stayed and yeah. 37:31.410 --> 37:32.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what we're doing. 37:32.372 --> 37:34.956 [SPEAKER_01]: What we're doing right now then is sending them 37:34.936 --> 37:42.363 [SPEAKER_01]: positivity, and we hope that they both find the space in their lives to be who they are at their highest vibration. 37:42.423 --> 37:45.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he gets railed in the way that he wants. 37:45.607 --> 37:51.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope she finds self-love, and I hope that their kids are okay. 37:51.873 --> 37:59.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, what a... And bro, if you're listening, like, you know, this is why we kind of spell off and stop talking. 37:59.600 --> 38:04.285 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you ever want to get back in touch, 38:06.138 --> 38:20.333 [SPEAKER_01]: I just got chills from the stakes of this interview in a way that is just really important and Sidney James Hardcore coming with receipts and store ease. 38:20.633 --> 38:27.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, since you're being so honest about this lore, let's get into the state of Broadway because I feel like there's some controversy happening. 38:28.201 --> 38:35.689 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, the Tony Awards are like the Super Bowl for us gaze, especially as a 38:35.669 --> 39:00.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you have just like a gut reaction to who do you think is going to win the best musical if it's going to be between, I think people are saying it's going to be between two strangers carry a cake across New York lost boys, 39:00.138 --> 39:05.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying that the ones that I've not been discussed are Queen of Versailles and beaches. 39:05.345 --> 39:10.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so, if it's between two strangers, lost boys, schmiga do an Titanic. 39:11.052 --> 39:13.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a gut reaction as to what do you think will win best musical? 39:16.119 --> 39:16.199 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. 39:16.219 --> 39:20.725 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I have to say this, not having seen anything. 39:20.905 --> 39:22.027 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 39:22.047 --> 39:24.190 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I've been in lockdown. 39:24.290 --> 39:27.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 39:27.931 --> 39:39.105 [SPEAKER_02]: I myself, and this is no shade to, you know, any running show, and not a person who believes in movie to musical. 39:39.727 --> 39:40.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Transverse. 39:41.169 --> 39:41.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:41.590 --> 39:42.591 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's lazy. 39:43.152 --> 39:55.348 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it's, I mean, I guess to make a adun is actually a bit of anomaly because it was written as a musical. 39:55.708 --> 39:55.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 39:56.109 --> 40:00.555 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I can probably take that away. 40:00.615 --> 40:05.802 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but I do find that ideas to be less fresh. 40:06.052 --> 40:12.398 [SPEAKER_02]: when they have already been done in the different medium and now we're trying to replicate you know, that medium. 40:13.559 --> 40:21.827 [SPEAKER_02]: But that said, you know, if I know one thing, it's that Alex Brightman and that's who is the right. 40:22.327 --> 40:23.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's so negative. 40:23.668 --> 40:29.494 [SPEAKER_02]: He is amazing as a leading man in shows. 40:30.134 --> 40:34.118 [SPEAKER_02]: He's one of my favorite most charismatic Broadway leading men. 40:34.402 --> 40:37.888 [SPEAKER_02]: like him in Beetlejuice was euphoria. 40:37.908 --> 40:47.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I love you Alex and so I have, you know, high hopes for anything that he's in. 40:47.083 --> 40:52.252 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's let's shout out Christopher Catelli who is a genius as well. 40:52.873 --> 40:54.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Chris Catelli. 40:54.776 --> 40:55.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 40:55.337 --> 40:57.000 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, groan genius. 40:56.980 --> 41:00.904 [SPEAKER_02]: And we gave us for the gaze. 41:01.385 --> 41:08.032 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for the gaze, he gave us, yeah, Jensen, Marta, Megan, Hilti, belting their tits off. 41:08.052 --> 41:10.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, he's a free-arker-feet-death officer. 41:10.895 --> 41:12.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, that's this child on Broadway. 41:12.917 --> 41:14.839 [SPEAKER_01]: I think God for Michelle Williams. 41:15.240 --> 41:19.284 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everything, everything I'm reading and seeing about Shmiga Dunes seems like it's exceptional. 41:19.584 --> 41:20.986 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in love with Titanique. 41:21.046 --> 41:23.389 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dying to see the lost boys. 41:23.449 --> 41:25.671 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear it's like a crazy spectacle. 41:25.651 --> 41:47.804 [SPEAKER_02]: thing like I've heard so much about the absolute spectacle of lost boys and if there's something that I feel like you know warrants an award at times it's when a show pushes the genre forward like way forward. 41:47.824 --> 41:51.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we did have Spider-Man back in the day. 41:51.773 --> 41:53.696 [SPEAKER_02]: but that didn't go so well. 41:53.716 --> 42:05.131 [SPEAKER_02]: So from what I hear this is actually going really well and it's a different kind of thing and the world building in that from what I hear is phenomenal. 42:05.151 --> 42:13.242 [SPEAKER_02]: So with that said, I think that there's a huge chance from word of mouth that that's happening. 42:13.222 --> 42:21.836 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Titanic is close to my heart because it's just so gay, so, um, and you know, I love the team and I love the spirit of it. 42:22.517 --> 42:31.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I do wonder if like a parody show is able to take the, you know, they award. 42:31.491 --> 42:31.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:31.772 --> 42:31.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:31.912 --> 42:32.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:33.034 --> 42:38.082 [SPEAKER_02]: In, uh, uh, uh, uh, in, you know, in a, in a, in a field of original, 42:38.517 --> 42:38.997 [SPEAKER_02]: music. 42:39.298 --> 42:40.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great takes. 42:40.879 --> 42:49.747 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just have to say that the way that we are discussing these musicals, I feel like is the way that it is fun word weighing sort of the elements of it. 42:50.067 --> 42:59.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I found though that the current state of Broadway, there are people who are like bashing musicals that are taking it almost like it's like a political situation. 42:59.216 --> 43:08.524 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know if you ever see the sweaty oracle posting in St. Takes about musicals, he like hated the lost boys and 43:08.504 --> 43:15.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that we are in an era where people are going too far in bashing the shows that they don't like? 43:15.791 --> 43:19.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think it's just like social media has created that environment? 43:19.755 --> 43:23.939 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you feel about discourse around shows that people either love or don't love? 43:25.961 --> 43:38.393 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that 43:38.778 --> 43:42.233 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you don't, and that's what kind of gives them their megaphone. 43:43.017 --> 43:45.548 [SPEAKER_02]: I find that on Broadway. 43:46.237 --> 43:55.749 [SPEAKER_02]: it has become a place of like, let's give a standing ovation just because, let's be because it didn't we have to. 43:55.849 --> 43:56.770 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody stand up. 43:56.790 --> 43:57.851 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this was amazing. 43:58.232 --> 43:59.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is amazing. 44:00.134 --> 44:15.113 [SPEAKER_02]: There's this idea that because Broadway suffered so much during COVID that we can't say anything bad about productions because we have to keep the community alive and we have to keep shows alive and I'm like, 44:15.093 --> 44:28.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, we have to learn that audiences are only going to respond to original things that reflect the times of today and show people. 44:28.930 --> 44:48.981 [SPEAKER_02]: themselves and show people stories that are relevant and entertaining and if you keep putting up stuff that is a regurgitated like old school movie back on stage now in a format when I could 44:49.467 --> 45:09.720 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, things with a book that is so poorly thought out and so weak that you are miles ahead of it and are supposed to not care because there's a great song, then it should be talked about and we shouldn't worry that that happens because that's how 45:09.700 --> 45:20.474 [SPEAKER_02]: We get new blood and new writers into the fold because then people with talent can come in and say, hey, look at what I've got. 45:20.554 --> 45:33.831 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got this really amazing idea and please let me in to this very closed circle because I can I promise people will get this and will all make money together. 45:33.992 --> 45:34.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:34.372 --> 45:36.195 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a good point. 45:36.556 --> 45:37.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Critical opinions are valid. 45:37.858 --> 45:38.479 [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah. 45:38.519 --> 45:39.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at 100%. 45:39.741 --> 45:53.123 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like the interesting thing is that the sort of arena of criticism has changed drastically from what it used to be just you would see reviews in the papers and in the rest of it was word of mouth now everybody has a megaphone. 45:53.103 --> 46:14.426 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reason why this what he oracle is like grown a big account is because he is, you know, he's like sort of sensationalizing his criticisms to the point where it can be so intense that it gets the clicks and all of a sudden he's like gain an audience because that's the sort of what social media thrives on is like stoking people's anger. 46:15.247 --> 46:19.031 [SPEAKER_02]: They used to call Ben Brantley the butcher of broccoli. 46:19.071 --> 46:22.975 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that time is gone. 46:23.663 --> 46:29.231 [SPEAKER_02]: the like they do not review shows the way they used to. 46:29.451 --> 46:29.691 [SPEAKER_01]: True. 46:30.733 --> 46:34.478 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think we used to have that. 46:34.739 --> 46:41.748 [SPEAKER_02]: We used to have sweaty oracles who would like I'm going to tear this to shreds. 46:41.768 --> 46:42.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 46:42.369 --> 46:44.372 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the light did. 46:44.791 --> 47:00.876 [SPEAKER_02]: he did and you know it was often deserved and it's sad yeah oh you're putting these people out of jobs yes but we'll find more jobs that's this industry we all get into it knowing that it might not work out and we've got to find a new thing. 47:00.856 --> 47:17.346 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that you work hard in this industry and you try and choose wisely so that you can get a good review that is that puts you above 47:17.326 --> 47:40.920 [SPEAKER_02]: the other show that didn't have as much because it kind of seems unfair when you have something so wonderful and special and amazing and then something also opens up and everybody's trying to be nice so they're like go see this too because this is amazing too and if you like that it's great there were a few slow moments but it's the fine because right now 47:42.284 --> 47:43.386 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not that guy. 47:43.406 --> 47:47.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love your, it's such a refreshing take and it's true. 47:47.675 --> 47:49.018 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we do now. 47:49.038 --> 47:57.075 [SPEAKER_01]: I, the standing ovation after every show, I do think it's an epidemic and I stira, geol, but it's all so. 47:57.095 --> 47:58.217 [SPEAKER_01]: And people will look at you. 47:58.484 --> 47:59.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not, yeah, when you're not. 48:00.106 --> 48:00.806 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing up. 48:00.826 --> 48:08.293 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, and two things can be true, which is that like the art should be number one and art is very subjective and we should not be standing up at every show. 48:08.453 --> 48:12.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Also on the other side of it, like Broadway is an insanely difficult industry. 48:12.597 --> 48:22.746 [SPEAKER_01]: So I understand the people that want to be championing it, but it doesn't mean that it's like you're saying we have to give up just like a green flag to every show simply because it exists. 48:22.867 --> 48:24.208 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be so clapping. 48:24.488 --> 48:26.550 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, and then, 48:26.530 --> 48:35.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I completely I'm obsessed with with this take, but since we only have a few more minutes, I want to We're going to need another podcast. 48:35.545 --> 48:36.447 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, truly. 48:36.467 --> 48:39.673 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just the surface of a brood way. 48:39.713 --> 48:43.459 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be very exciting to see all of the 48:43.439 --> 48:48.167 [SPEAKER_01]: revivals that are competing along side of Casagelical ball. 48:48.187 --> 48:49.108 [SPEAKER_01]: There's chest. 48:49.128 --> 48:50.070 [SPEAKER_01]: There's ragtime. 48:50.130 --> 48:53.976 [SPEAKER_01]: There's Sam Pinkleton's the rocky horror show with a crazy cast. 48:53.996 --> 48:59.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's is very exciting to see the queerness on Broadway after last year's Omeri. 48:59.825 --> 49:06.873 [SPEAKER_01]: having her moment in continuing to, but final few questions to wrap us up. 49:08.135 --> 49:16.204 [SPEAKER_01]: On DADS and DADES, this is going to go a little personal, but it's important for us gay ass listeners who champion self-love. 49:16.224 --> 49:21.430 [SPEAKER_01]: On DADS and DADES, you said you had not jerked off in over a week since you had been so busy. 49:21.470 --> 49:23.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you had a chance to release recently? 49:23.973 --> 49:24.554 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 49:25.475 --> 49:25.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 49:26.256 --> 49:26.876 [SPEAKER_01]: You deserve. 49:28.999 --> 49:40.893 [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about our history sexually in terms of, like, over on Substack, oftentimes we have our hornets conversations, but we're going to keep this all in the main feed. 49:40.933 --> 49:47.601 [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, did you, how did it feel to talk about, I mean, Andy Cohen was the one that brought up your history first, is that correct? 49:47.581 --> 49:54.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so that kind of gives you in a way the like green light Even just mention it. 49:54.169 --> 50:04.261 [SPEAKER_01]: I just I think that's sort of the magic of living in a place like New York because you said that when you and Andy Cohen had your lust affair You called it it was before he had watch what happens. 50:04.341 --> 50:12.070 [SPEAKER_01]: It was before he was, you know Capital A and you Cohen, so do you when you look back on this? 50:12.050 --> 50:35.256 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... is it just like a hot fun tail do you've any wishes for uh... a rekindling what's the relationship to the anti-coin of it all um... uh... so number one lust affair is actually a term that he used on his podcast that dad's and daddy's by the okay but apt 50:35.540 --> 50:58.240 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I have no problem using it, it's descriptive and correct, you know, when you are like a sexual person in New York City and you sometimes develop these like friendships with your 50:58.692 --> 51:04.066 [SPEAKER_02]: tricks, yeah, for lack of a better term, that you really like the person. 51:04.126 --> 51:06.613 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really easy and drama-free. 51:06.673 --> 51:10.022 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know like a ton about their life. 51:10.082 --> 51:11.647 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know a ton about yours. 51:12.068 --> 51:15.216 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is part of the reason why there's no drama. 51:15.702 --> 51:45.372 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it can really be about this extra curricular fun and you guys are connecting on this level that is so pleasurable and intense that like, it's its own sort of like, it doesn't need a definition, it doesn't need parameters, kind of thing, can he still get it? 51:45.689 --> 51:49.044 [SPEAKER_02]: And is it a possibility? 51:49.064 --> 51:50.772 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 51:51.655 --> 51:55.412 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, 51:55.983 --> 52:04.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy and I have talked since the the taping and like, you know, even recently and things are great. 52:05.595 --> 52:07.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I love that so much. 52:07.197 --> 52:13.004 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's so fun to even just be a fly on the wall of the story. 52:13.324 --> 52:17.910 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there is obviously zero shame around it. 52:18.010 --> 52:24.758 [SPEAKER_01]: And we celebrate the fact that we're just 52:24.738 --> 52:29.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Rump Tom Tucker and Angie Cohen having a rekindling to that. 52:29.705 --> 52:30.686 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's new for me. 52:30.907 --> 52:35.974 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm like, I've always been like very private about that kind of thing. 52:36.014 --> 52:38.157 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we met on Craigslist for Craigslist. 52:38.297 --> 52:38.577 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 52:38.597 --> 52:43.003 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, so it's not like we were like on, you know, fish in the sea. 52:44.486 --> 52:45.667 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a lesbian dating? 52:45.807 --> 52:46.669 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I have that wrong. 52:47.430 --> 52:52.737 [SPEAKER_02]: But that said, I knew when I was going on the show. 52:53.594 --> 52:54.896 [SPEAKER_02]: as a bartender. 52:55.036 --> 52:56.659 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm quite sure how to help me with that. 52:56.679 --> 52:58.001 [SPEAKER_02]: Girl, same, right? 52:58.942 --> 53:02.367 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew when I was going on the show that it was potential that it was going to come up. 53:02.608 --> 53:12.743 [SPEAKER_02]: And I used my Tucker mantra that like, you know, I believe, and from the artists I love, like, you know, don't you? 53:13.684 --> 53:20.715 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that authenticity in who you are and like owning your ship is the... 53:21.404 --> 53:32.826 [SPEAKER_02]: best way to get people who, you know, are writing with you to like want to follow you because you're authentic and they can smell a phony from a mile away. 53:32.886 --> 53:36.493 [SPEAKER_02]: And then also this way I own it. 53:36.997 --> 53:49.662 [SPEAKER_02]: And nobody else is like, well actually, I don't want to get out of my gotcha question Sydney, but I've heard that, you know, and then you're like, oh, no, there's no gotcha, it's just wish you were there. 53:49.702 --> 53:50.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello. 53:50.805 --> 53:52.869 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all there is to it. 53:52.889 --> 53:54.071 [SPEAKER_02]: You keep imagining it. 53:54.712 --> 53:56.997 [SPEAKER_02]: And until we start our only fans. 53:56.977 --> 54:23.929 [SPEAKER_01]: eggs, and you know what, we will be here to support in any way that you would like us to only fans and beyond, um, Sydney James Harcourt, what a gosh darn treat of how do you on this gay as podcast, you are being so deliciously authentic, and that is why I'm going to ask you the final podcast question, which is if the world was ending and you can only save one character 54:23.909 --> 54:48.094 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I have two prepared great in case my first one can't I can't save because we lost her and that's we can bring back we can Hera oh my god bring her we have we're bringing her back and we're saving her Kathano Hera is a devoon answer I mean just the body of work 54:49.002 --> 54:52.248 [SPEAKER_02]: Beetlejuice is the the Christopher guests. 54:52.409 --> 54:53.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 54:53.411 --> 54:57.579 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the crowning achievement of Moira Rose. 54:58.421 --> 55:00.024 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't ready. 55:00.044 --> 55:05.695 [SPEAKER_02]: I was now ready to like ride into the sunset. 55:05.945 --> 55:23.700 [SPEAKER_02]: of just the golden era of cameos and like the characters that made you pee your pants in movies and then we lost her and I could save her. 55:24.153 --> 55:25.835 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to cherish her. 55:25.855 --> 55:36.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say to that it's not only a great answer, but I've now read another interview where I think it was Dan Levy saying, for shit's Creek, that Cathano Herero would do the same thing. 55:36.208 --> 55:43.577 [SPEAKER_01]: That Seth Roken said she would do for the studio, which is, she would rewrite some of her scenes with her genius takes the night before shooting. 55:43.657 --> 55:45.759 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they would be like, oh my god, this is brilliant. 55:45.820 --> 55:49.104 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she would just level up every single scene that she was in. 55:49.164 --> 55:53.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And it speaks to her, yes, like artistry, her mind. 55:53.549 --> 56:05.386 [SPEAKER_01]: But also the fact that she can do that and then her collaborators are not mad at her, but actually green light it just shows that she is egoless, jeanious person. 56:05.986 --> 56:08.129 [SPEAKER_01]: But I dying to know your second answer. 56:08.330 --> 56:10.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Catherine O'Hare was one, who's a number two? 56:10.913 --> 56:11.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the other? 56:11.734 --> 56:12.876 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 56:12.896 --> 56:14.959 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's carenitely. 56:16.641 --> 56:17.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we love the jaw? 56:17.703 --> 56:20.687 [SPEAKER_01]: We love the, 56:21.292 --> 56:25.478 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, she was this child. 56:25.959 --> 56:29.023 [SPEAKER_02]: She just wowed us and bend it like Beckham. 56:29.484 --> 56:31.867 [SPEAKER_02]: And we were like, oh, is this bit? 56:32.388 --> 56:36.274 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she just was so beautiful in films. 56:36.494 --> 56:39.278 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was, is it? 56:40.840 --> 56:41.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it? 56:41.661 --> 56:43.424 [SPEAKER_02]: This is brown? 56:43.584 --> 56:43.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait. 56:44.345 --> 56:49.813 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the period film that she does? 56:50.249 --> 57:11.397 [SPEAKER_02]: the Duchess talk about like the runway of our time like runway video just got released go back and watch the Duchess the fashion she's wearing is so fucking kind she is amazing in that movie I haven't seen it I haven't seen it you know I'm so happy for you I can't wait 57:11.815 --> 57:22.434 [SPEAKER_02]: To not have seen the Duchess, I would do a total recall and erase my brain to be able to watch it again for the first time in black swans. 57:22.454 --> 57:23.095 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. 57:23.476 --> 57:23.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 57:24.117 --> 57:26.421 [SPEAKER_01]: So she, no, I'm a Kiranitly stan. 57:26.541 --> 57:34.195 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that she is the fact that she can go from Ben and like back home to then doing these period pieces to then have a character in love actually, which she goes. 57:34.175 --> 57:36.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I look quite pretty and I still like her. 57:36.998 --> 57:51.335 [SPEAKER_01]: I think is really astounding and she is another stondon answer and you, Cindy James Harcourt, continue to slay at every turn in this gay ass chat. 57:51.856 --> 57:54.319 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to give a, I'm going to give an honorable mention. 57:54.439 --> 57:54.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, please. 57:54.959 --> 57:56.681 [SPEAKER_02]: Tatiana. 57:56.822 --> 57:57.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Miss Lonnie. 57:57.562 --> 57:58.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 57:59.465 --> 58:00.606 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, great answer. 58:00.646 --> 58:03.169 [SPEAKER_02]: She's got, she's still got so much time. 58:03.790 --> 58:15.454 [SPEAKER_02]: But my God, I watched, I've been through Orphan Black this winter and I was late late late and what? 58:15.991 --> 58:27.435 [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I, I'm just going to then shout out a friend of mine is named Michael Schwarz and he had a short film that Tatiana was a lot he was in and it was my first time seeing her and anything and she was fucking incredible and so What's your film? 58:27.455 --> 58:30.802 [SPEAKER_01]: The film is called Snatch and it is so great. 58:30.882 --> 58:32.566 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the the cast is great. 58:33.007 --> 58:36.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Misha Osharovic is in it who is an amazing 58:36.815 --> 58:41.881 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, trans actor and just so so uh, brilliant on screen. 58:41.901 --> 58:47.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so yeah, snatched with Tatana Maslani directed and written by my dear friend Michael Schwartz. 58:47.928 --> 58:49.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so yeah, that's a shout out to him. 58:50.111 --> 58:56.178 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and Tatiana, another character, actress, um, who's always doing stuff with gay characters. 58:56.218 --> 58:56.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 58:56.478 --> 58:56.598 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 58:56.819 --> 58:57.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 58:57.419 --> 58:58.941 [SPEAKER_02]: And in that series, 58:59.461 --> 59:04.310 [SPEAKER_02]: like they have a bunch of cat jokes, cats the musical jokes. 59:05.011 --> 59:14.088 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, cats is, you know, pervasive in all of culture, in all the ways, all the good and awful. 59:14.208 --> 59:15.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you. 59:15.070 --> 59:19.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, Sydney James Hardcore, how can people follow you? 59:19.100 --> 59:20.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Where can they follow you? 59:20.303 --> 59:22.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything else you would like for them to know? 59:22.729 --> 59:27.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm Sydney Hardcore at Sydney Hardcore and Instagram. 59:27.620 --> 59:28.903 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the best place. 59:29.465 --> 59:32.472 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a website that has almost no information on it. 59:32.705 --> 59:35.891 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's really it. 59:35.931 --> 59:36.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Come and see the show. 59:36.973 --> 59:40.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you can find me at the club. 59:40.539 --> 59:45.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Sunday night, Sunday nights with either broken heights or somebody else. 59:45.228 --> 59:45.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 59:45.629 --> 59:47.472 [SPEAKER_02]: You see they're going to be like I'm the standard. 59:47.712 --> 59:48.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably maybe the eagle. 59:48.895 --> 59:50.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Another good choice for me. 59:50.778 --> 01:00:05.540 [SPEAKER_01]: And I co-sign and now I'm gonna manifest run into a the eagle on a Sunday night And I cannot wait for us to continue to talk character actresses and sessuali-tay And whatever the brunch comes up, Sydney James hardcore. 01:00:05.580 --> 01:00:18.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody go see him in capture jellicle ball on Broadway And I hope that this is not the oh, thank you for the pits I hope this is not the only time we did to chat so I will manifest not be seeing you again And I look forward to you. 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:19.721 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm open to it anytime. 01:00:19.781 --> 01:00:20.582 [SPEAKER_02]: I love this 01:00:20.562 --> 01:00:27.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out!