WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:01.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Episode 507. 00:01.553 --> 00:14.432 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode is for people who experience recurring pain from injuries, from surgeries, from accidents, or for those that experience chronic unexplainable pain and includes things like fibromyalgia. 00:14.893 --> 00:15.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Any of that stuff? 00:15.955 --> 00:16.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this episode. 00:17.157 --> 00:25.549 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in this conversation, I speak with a very scientifically minded chiropractor and functional medicine practitioner that wrote a book about why pain exists. 00:25.529 --> 00:31.556 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this podcast, we talk about that, along with why there might be some credence to the idea that it's all in your head. 00:32.176 --> 00:33.638 [SPEAKER_00]: And no, we're not gaslighting you. 00:33.778 --> 00:36.301 [SPEAKER_00]: It's brain neurology, nervous system stuff. 00:36.461 --> 00:38.784 [SPEAKER_00]: So listen at it and we'll make sense. 00:38.804 --> 00:49.275 [SPEAKER_00]: We also talk about why pain medications and opioids like benzos will never truly solve literally anyone's pain issues because they're not actually designed to be curative. 00:49.255 --> 00:58.250 [SPEAKER_00]: And as all good things must come to an end, at the end, we land nicely at this place of exactly what you need to do to fix and eliminate your pain issues. 00:58.431 --> 01:04.521 [SPEAKER_00]: And even lower the likelihood that your pain does not evolve into something like cancer or even worse. 01:05.243 --> 01:06.565 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so doable. 01:06.585 --> 01:10.311 [SPEAKER_00]: This stuff is so doable, so listen, put it into action, get healthy. 01:10.391 --> 01:12.355 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all, that's it. 01:12.375 --> 01:13.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's go. 01:15.428 --> 01:20.176 [SPEAKER_00]: Even as a scientist, the nutritionist I was secretly trapped in binge eating and hooked on sugar. 01:20.757 --> 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So both of those episodes absolutely worth checking out this so much gold in there from Stephen. 02:46.528 --> 02:49.071 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're worried about cholesterol on any level, 02:49.051 --> 02:52.574 [SPEAKER_00]: Go and check those episodes out, but before you do, let's have this conversation. 02:52.675 --> 02:53.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephen, welcome back to the show. 02:53.936 --> 02:55.617 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me, happy to be here. 02:55.858 --> 02:56.678 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good to have you back. 02:56.739 --> 02:59.381 [SPEAKER_00]: The previous episodes we did, like, people loved them. 02:59.401 --> 03:05.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, especially the cholesterol debunking and unpacking of, you know, the mainstream medical narrative. 03:05.327 --> 03:10.472 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess we do a lot of that on this show, it's, but, um, but do you get much kickback from the stuff that the work that you do? 03:10.492 --> 03:15.717 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you also spend a bit of time in this space of, like, unpacking conventional medical narratives. 03:15.697 --> 03:40.007 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, mainly just like snide comments on social media, you know, but yeah, I mean occasionally I get the attention of, you know, some influencer who's got opposite views that I do, but yeah, usually it's just people on social media and then we even have an argument though, like they just say, oh, you're a chiropractor, oh, you know, you don't read the research wherever when I've cited everything. 03:40.067 --> 03:42.630 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, I mean, somewhat, but I just ignore it now. 03:42.670 --> 03:43.932 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a big deal. 03:43.912 --> 03:50.666 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a strategy with sort of haters or trolls, I invite every single one of them to have a conversation here on the podcast. 03:51.448 --> 03:55.958 [SPEAKER_00]: And after seven years and going through COVID-19, nobody said yes yet. 03:55.978 --> 03:56.479 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a shame. 03:56.499 --> 03:56.980 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that. 03:57.120 --> 03:59.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's definitely a way to call them out here. 03:59.525 --> 03:59.946 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah. 03:59.926 --> 04:05.380 [SPEAKER_02]: If someone has like a relevant argument, and once they have a discussion, they're like, yeah, let's do it, but they usually don't. 04:05.400 --> 04:16.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love to have more like legitimate genuine debates or disagreements on the podcast, but I think people get a bit worried about like that I'm going to bring them in and like, you know, create all of these soundbites that 04:16.008 --> 04:34.101 [SPEAKER_00]: publicly shame them or embarrass them or you know discredit them because I think one of the issues with social media is that we end up in our own echo chambers our own silos of information and like and this is you could even argue this is the problem with politics is that no one's talking to each other they're just repeating great stuff to other other people that think that they're saying great stuff 04:34.081 --> 04:34.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:34.762 --> 04:44.580 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, you know, on that point, just because we're going in that direction, I think that one of the most important things to recognize is that most people want the same things. 04:44.941 --> 04:50.270 [SPEAKER_02]: They want a safe, equitable, happy life for themselves, their family, and everybody else. 04:50.831 --> 04:52.815 [SPEAKER_02]: We just see different ways of getting there. 04:52.930 --> 04:57.995 [SPEAKER_02]: And if we keep focusing on the differences rather than the thing that we want this the same, we're going to tear each other apart. 04:58.055 --> 05:08.986 [SPEAKER_02]: But if we focus on the thing that we want the same and realize that there's a compromise or a path to get there that we can both be okay with, then that's what's going to lead us to the promised land really. 05:09.266 --> 05:12.269 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I would say focused on the similarities rather than the differences. 05:12.610 --> 05:17.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the crazy thing is that, yeah, the kind of laws and the vegans are all moving towards the same goal. 05:18.215 --> 05:19.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, yeah, exactly. 05:19.964 --> 05:25.591 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what did you feel the need to get into this whole conversation about pain and write a book about it? 05:25.872 --> 05:26.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:26.192 --> 05:33.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, as a chiropractor, you know, for the past 13 years, I worked in a chiropractor clinic and so I'm creating pain. 05:33.301 --> 05:40.691 [SPEAKER_02]: People come to me for pain, you know, and that's what they're coming to because they have low back pain headaches, neck pain, that kind of thing. 05:41.312 --> 05:43.795 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I just kind of got interested in it. 05:43.775 --> 05:59.877 [SPEAKER_02]: As far as I have all this background information about health and physiology from a very different perspective of people of her mother, you know, episodes, you know, talking about heart disease and so I just decided to kind of dig in a little bit deeper to pay simply chronic pain. 05:59.857 --> 06:02.260 [SPEAKER_02]: But also why pain signals there in the first place? 06:02.300 --> 06:03.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do we have pain? 06:04.142 --> 06:21.682 [SPEAKER_02]: And then apply this more chemical, but also quantum more by a physics aspect or my viewpoints of the half physiology actually works, which I think is contrary to what we are told, or especially what we learn in medical schools and proper formal trading and things like that. 06:21.762 --> 06:22.843 [SPEAKER_02]: And apply that to pain. 06:22.823 --> 06:37.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when I started doing that, I got a very clear picture of what pain is, why it's there, how pain can become chronic, and there's huge different ways that it can, and it just, it was enough for me to think, I could write this down, I could put this down and write it down in the book. 06:38.306 --> 06:49.102 [SPEAKER_02]: And then also writing things down also helps me conceptualize things and makes, gives me my, I guess, confirms or, you know, my views on a subject is when I really think about it write it down. 06:49.122 --> 06:50.063 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's, that's what I did. 06:50.380 --> 06:51.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool. 06:51.081 --> 06:53.984 [SPEAKER_00]: You said there's two ways the pain can become chronic. 06:54.524 --> 06:58.969 [SPEAKER_00]: Firstly, what is the definition of chronic pain versus the alternative? 06:58.989 --> 06:59.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 06:59.749 --> 07:01.291 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so think about this way. 07:01.331 --> 07:04.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Pain is something that's very, very useful for us. 07:04.955 --> 07:06.236 [SPEAKER_02]: We think of it as a bad thing. 07:06.256 --> 07:07.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't want to feel pain. 07:07.557 --> 07:08.478 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's bad. 07:08.999 --> 07:11.381 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you didn't have pain, you wouldn't live very long. 07:11.601 --> 07:14.204 [SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't have a pain, since you wouldn't live very long. 07:14.224 --> 07:18.328 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's actually people who are unfortunately, and I say unfortunately, very intentionally, 07:18.308 --> 07:20.832 [SPEAKER_02]: Born without a pain sick or an ability to feel pain. 07:21.333 --> 07:22.675 [SPEAKER_02]: And these people don't live very long. 07:23.175 --> 07:28.964 [SPEAKER_02]: So basically, they never learn what creates pain to their body, so they never learn to abort it in the future. 07:29.105 --> 07:30.907 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that means they keep getting injured. 07:30.927 --> 07:34.333 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep doing things that cause pain because they don't feel and they keep injuring their body. 07:34.393 --> 07:36.676 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't feel pain, but they keep injuring their body. 07:36.716 --> 07:40.502 [SPEAKER_02]: They die from complications very early in life of injuries. 07:40.482 --> 07:44.345 [SPEAKER_02]: And people will say, well, can't you just say, can someone just tell them what's bad for them? 07:45.006 --> 07:46.427 [SPEAKER_02]: And just think about it this way. 07:47.869 --> 07:51.112 [SPEAKER_02]: When you're teenagers are growing up, and you tell them, hey, don't do this. 07:51.652 --> 07:54.314 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to work out, you know, that's not a good thing. 07:54.675 --> 07:55.676 [SPEAKER_02]: How often do they listen? 07:55.756 --> 07:56.476 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they do. 07:57.037 --> 08:01.901 [SPEAKER_02]: But most of the time, someone has to experience something for themselves before they'll actually change. 08:02.562 --> 08:02.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 08:02.762 --> 08:03.623 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's the same with this. 08:03.643 --> 08:04.584 [SPEAKER_02]: People with the board without paying. 08:04.604 --> 08:05.925 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't just tell them, hey, that's bad for you. 08:05.945 --> 08:06.505 [SPEAKER_02]: That's bad for you. 08:06.525 --> 08:10.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's no reinforcement, no very strong reinforcement. 08:10.469 --> 08:18.408 [SPEAKER_02]: And that could be a physical pain, or it could be an emotional pain, as a reason we call like I have pain in my heart right now that I have a thing. 08:18.748 --> 08:22.437 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, that's the first distinction to make is that pain is very, very important. 08:22.457 --> 08:27.810 [SPEAKER_02]: So when you think about a pain signal that is normal, it's supposed to happen, and it's very critical for life. 08:28.050 --> 08:28.832 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, 08:28.812 --> 08:39.645 [SPEAKER_02]: When that pain signal becomes chronic, you're getting your brain's getting your pain signal from a certain tissue somewhere, long-term, that's not normal, right? 08:39.845 --> 08:41.227 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's not supposed to happen. 08:41.587 --> 08:47.174 [SPEAKER_02]: But if I, like, say, bump into my desk or something, I'm like, oh, that hurt, you know, there's, like, your body's lonely. 08:47.214 --> 08:48.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that again. 08:48.175 --> 08:49.757 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, be careful about that. 08:49.737 --> 08:55.471 [SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of thing, but if the pain signal turns on and it doesn't turn off, something is gone wrong. 08:55.511 --> 08:56.333 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pathologic. 08:57.476 --> 09:04.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what we're talking about here as far as this pain epidemic that we're having with the opioid epidemic and all that stuff, we're talking about chronic pain. 09:04.613 --> 09:07.560 [SPEAKER_02]: So technically, if I get a... 09:07.540 --> 09:09.624 [SPEAKER_02]: change in the tissue in my body somewhere. 09:09.845 --> 09:12.270 [SPEAKER_02]: So a chemical change, which can be caused by many things. 09:12.310 --> 09:18.302 [SPEAKER_02]: So you could cause by temperature, physical damage, it changes in biochemistry within a cell or something like that. 09:18.463 --> 09:20.106 [SPEAKER_02]: And those chemical changes can happen. 09:20.547 --> 09:23.052 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it happens to a certain extent, that's a sensory signal. 09:23.032 --> 09:29.422 [SPEAKER_02]: Like your body is sensing that and it's like, okay, something's wrong there and it sends a signal to your brain and the brain says, okay, something's wrong. 09:29.442 --> 09:35.011 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got to draw the person's awareness to that area and the brain's signal back down to that area and that's a pain. 09:35.151 --> 09:38.256 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where they say pain is in the brain because pain is not happening. 09:38.317 --> 09:42.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the signal for pain is not happening where the damage has happened or the chemical change has happened. 09:42.303 --> 09:46.371 [SPEAKER_02]: It's happening here and the brain sends a pain signal down to pay attention to that area. 09:46.832 --> 09:49.117 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a sensory pain signal, right? 09:50.199 --> 09:58.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, when that happens, the sensory centers of the brain, the sensory cortex, are communicating with the emotional centers of the brain. 09:58.435 --> 10:04.105 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, the emotional sentence of the brain turn on when we have pain to give us this negative response to it. 10:05.387 --> 10:08.252 [SPEAKER_02]: And that negative response to it is what teaches you just to avoid it in the future. 10:09.114 --> 10:14.283 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's usually a, like, like a negative, oh, that hurt never going to that again or you're crying or whatever. 10:14.323 --> 10:16.527 [SPEAKER_02]: It's this negative response that teaches you to avoid it in the future. 10:17.068 --> 10:20.494 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, that sensory pain signal, that's present in all light. 10:20.474 --> 10:22.578 [SPEAKER_02]: all of animal life. 10:23.499 --> 10:26.985 [SPEAKER_02]: But some of them, some animal life just has the ability to feel it and get away from it. 10:27.406 --> 10:30.551 [SPEAKER_02]: But they never know how the emotional centers to teach them to stay away from it in the future. 10:31.332 --> 10:37.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And then vertebrate animals, all vertebrate animals have this ability to learn, have a negative emotion with it. 10:37.763 --> 10:43.393 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're dog, you're cat, those animals have an ability to learn that and avoid that pain in the future. 10:43.373 --> 10:47.689 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a, there's a third aspect of pain, the cognitive aspects of pain. 10:48.091 --> 10:53.451 [SPEAKER_02]: So the emotional centers are communicating with the prefrontal cortex, which is very developed in humans. 10:53.600 --> 11:03.230 [SPEAKER_02]: And so humans are the only species that can literally think about the pain and wonder about its meaning, and wonder about life in general, you know. 11:03.870 --> 11:13.380 [SPEAKER_02]: And the cognitive aspects of pain are, I mean, apes may have some concept of this, or some abilities do this, but not near as much as we can. 11:14.120 --> 11:18.645 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's important to know those things, because chronic pain, 11:18.625 --> 11:22.130 [SPEAKER_02]: can be a chronic stimulation of a sensory pain signal. 11:22.150 --> 11:28.478 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's say you've got some, uh, you got an injury to your knee or something like that or something's rubbing the wrong way creating friction. 11:28.498 --> 11:31.903 [SPEAKER_02]: You get a tendonitis and, and that's a chronic sensory signal. 11:31.943 --> 11:36.970 [SPEAKER_02]: So that can be chronic pain from that until you correct the imbalance that's causing that in the tissue itself. 11:37.430 --> 11:47.704 [SPEAKER_02]: However, if that signals happening long enough, and you're getting a chronic sensory pain signal long enough, it engages the emotional centers that engages the cognitive centers to the brain. 11:47.684 --> 11:50.550 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we're wiring all those things together, right? 11:50.971 --> 11:54.077 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're wiring the brain of that way because the brain's very plastic. 11:54.097 --> 12:02.374 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you wire those things in that way, now you can have a cognitive thought about a worry about paid or something like that. 12:02.735 --> 12:07.785 [SPEAKER_02]: And it can engage in emotional centers, which engage the sensory centers and not getting a pain signal. 12:07.765 --> 12:10.232 [SPEAKER_02]: back down to the body with no physical damage whatsoever. 12:10.493 --> 12:23.209 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's studies that show that the extent to which someone worries about an injury and the pain they're in during an injury while it's healing dictates whether or not that pain can become chronic. 12:23.510 --> 12:30.018 [SPEAKER_02]: because when you're worrying about it, you're engaging in the prefrontal cortex, then you're the most of centers in the sensory centers, and you're wiring that system together. 12:30.038 --> 12:34.684 [SPEAKER_02]: So then the tissue feels like in your knee or something like that, but you've wired this way. 12:34.704 --> 12:39.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the cognitive centers can literally turn on the pain signal with no physical damage happening whatsoever. 12:39.309 --> 12:41.492 [SPEAKER_02]: So chronic pain can happen in two different ways. 12:41.953 --> 12:47.519 [SPEAKER_02]: Can happen with the chronic sensory signal at first, or it can happen because you're cognitively turning it back on. 12:47.539 --> 12:52.065 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's a really interesting study or I guess experience of one researcher, 12:52.045 --> 12:56.910 [SPEAKER_02]: back in and World War II that illustrates this quite nicely, so we'll talk about that. 12:56.990 --> 13:18.070 [SPEAKER_02]: So his guy in this guy was Henry Beacher, and he was an anesthesiologist, and in World War II he was working as a medic, and he was receiving, you know, soldiers with pretty gruesome, uncontrolled injuries off the front lines, and he was just asking him, thanks he was asking him how much pain they were in, like to rate their pain, you know? 13:18.050 --> 13:25.512 [SPEAKER_02]: How much pay medication they wanted and then also just kind of measuring their their demeanor and their view of the pain and things like that 13:25.846 --> 13:32.156 [SPEAKER_02]: And then after the war, he was back at Harvard where he worked as an anesthesiologist and he was doing the same thing with people coming out of surgery. 13:32.176 --> 13:33.418 [SPEAKER_02]: He was asking them the same questions. 13:33.938 --> 13:46.939 [SPEAKER_02]: And what he found was that the people coming out of surgery reported way more pain and wanted way more pain medication and had much more worry or discomfort about, you know, their situation. 13:47.419 --> 13:51.786 [SPEAKER_02]: Then the people coming off the front lines who had much more uncontrolled and gruesome injuries. 13:51.766 --> 14:18.972 [SPEAKER_02]: and and basically when he was when he was analyzing these people's kind of psyche in their viewpoint of the thing he came with their conclusion that the men coming off the front lines saw their injury in their pain as a good thing because they were leaving war and they were alive and for some of them depending on the extent of their injury they weren't going back to war and so they saw as a good thing and seeing it as a good thing allowed their cognition to activate her to deactivate the emotional centers in the sensory centers and they weren't having 14:18.952 --> 14:38.226 [SPEAKER_02]: where the people coming out of surgery, they didn't want to have surgery, and so it was just they were worried about how a wind housing and effect their life going forward, all these things, right, which is a very interesting way of looking at that, and you see and illustrating that the way we think about something has a huge impact on our physiology, but in this case, paint. 14:38.257 --> 14:50.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so fascinating about it makes me think of, um, it makes me think of watching things like Vikings and medieval series where like a battle wound or missing a an arm or a hand is like a trophy. 14:50.902 --> 14:56.653 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a like, you know, I've been to war, you know, it's like a sign of being like I survived the battle. 14:56.633 --> 15:24.852 [SPEAKER_00]: It's evidence that you got through it and it's, yeah, it's such a different story to the one that I guess we have now in our, you know, bubble wrapped cotton wool wrapped lives of, you know, safety and everything hurts and everything's painful and so it's such a weird weird world that we're in now, like it always seems like a huge deterioration of resilience, but but I think one thing that sort of off the back of what you're saying is that some amputees can feel pain and a limb that is not even there, right? 15:24.832 --> 15:50.805 [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so like that's the perfect illustration that pain is in the brain right so pain isn't the brain in two ways one if it's a century pain signal that's coming from the brain to your tissues um but also chronic pain so she have a cognitive nature is coming from the brain as well because you're activating the cognitive center so yes if someone um like an AEPT has developed neurology in their brain um neurologically to send a pain signal down to your knee 15:50.785 --> 15:53.712 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if the knee is gone because they've had an APT, it doesn't matter. 15:53.873 --> 15:55.076 [SPEAKER_02]: The brain doesn't know that it's gone. 15:55.437 --> 15:58.504 [SPEAKER_02]: The brain is just sending that signal down and you can feel pain there. 15:58.524 --> 16:00.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's not there anymore, you don't have that body part. 16:01.692 --> 16:02.574 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, because pain is in the brain. 16:02.594 --> 16:07.326 [SPEAKER_02]: They've actually done really interesting experiments where, uh, like, 16:07.306 --> 16:11.871 [SPEAKER_02]: In the book, I talk a lot about how lots of times to treat chronic pain, you have to treat the body. 16:12.993 --> 16:18.319 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't treat just the brain or rewire the brain or you have to rewire, you have to treat the body to rewire the brain. 16:20.401 --> 16:24.867 [SPEAKER_02]: How can you treat the body, though, if something's been amputated, how can you treat that thing? 16:25.447 --> 16:29.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they did these really interesting experiments where they used mirrors. 16:29.412 --> 16:38.764 [SPEAKER_02]: So they they mirrored the other leg that wasn't there or the other body part that wasn't there in a way that the person saw it as the leg that was missing was there. 16:38.930 --> 16:53.108 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then they treated the leg in the mirror so it looked like they were treating the leg that wasn't there and they were able to rewire the brain enough that it stopped the phantom pain signal that they were getting from, uh, from, uh, without that leg there. 16:53.188 --> 16:54.690 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, very interesting. 16:54.750 --> 17:03.381 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's all about checking the brain into rewiring itself in a certain way, which sometimes you have to have the body part, get to treat the body so that you brain can rewire itself in that way. 17:03.521 --> 17:05.764 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they were able to do in those studies, those experiments. 17:05.744 --> 17:07.426 [SPEAKER_00]: That leads me to ask the question. 17:07.567 --> 17:25.512 [SPEAKER_00]: So when we, as you're probably aware, but when we look into like the metaphysical impacts of disease and you hear people that are meditation experts or energy experts or emotional experts, they often talk about the fact that different emotions and Chinese medicine talks about this too, different emotions affect different organs in the body. 17:25.672 --> 17:26.453 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, 17:26.433 --> 17:39.273 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask the reverse question in a way, which is like we're talking about the pain or the tissue damage happens at the site, the brain is the thing that sends the information out to say there's pain there we should respond to it. 17:39.353 --> 17:48.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean cognitive and or emotional and or story driven pain that we sort of manifest ourselves by thinking things and feeling things? 17:48.067 --> 18:01.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean there's truth to that idea that it's like that the brain will get an emotion or the story that elicits a certain emotion and therefore cause damage to a tissue or site that is otherwise undamaged physically? 18:02.268 --> 18:10.260 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is the case I think when we get more like what medicine calls complex regional pain syndrome or fibromyalgia. 18:10.240 --> 18:11.161 [SPEAKER_02]: or things like this. 18:11.201 --> 18:23.251 [SPEAKER_02]: So what's happening there is like you look at somebody and they don't have any physical damage or physical imbalance that could be creating a pain signal, because you can't tell from looking at them or taking imaging or things like that. 18:23.512 --> 18:25.513 [SPEAKER_02]: So how do they explain this pain they're having? 18:26.074 --> 18:38.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And to me, if you look at these people, it's no coincidence that you know up to 75 people with 75% of people with chronic pain 18:38.725 --> 18:40.848 [SPEAKER_02]: or past trauma or things like that. 18:40.908 --> 19:03.957 [SPEAKER_02]: So basically what's happened is they've unfortunately had this life that's exposed them to a lot of experiences that lead them into this chronic worry or angst or fear or things like that, which trauma can do or or even like, you know, blaming or it's something that's your fault, which is lots of people with trauma feel that way that the trauma was their fault even if it wasn't. 19:04.190 --> 19:07.961 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that type of, that type of mental state for a long time. 19:07.981 --> 19:11.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why are the cognitive centers of the brain to the emotional ones? 19:12.112 --> 19:14.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And that eventually touches the sensory ones and the sensory cortex. 19:14.940 --> 19:19.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And now you're sending pain signals down to the body with no physical damage whatsoever. 19:19.377 --> 19:22.962 [SPEAKER_02]: They may not even have had like past trauma, physical trauma. 19:23.163 --> 19:25.586 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's Mrs. Moore emotional at this point. 19:26.287 --> 19:34.459 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's all due to the way their brains have been programmed to deal with those situations, those emotions, right? 19:35.301 --> 19:36.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's causing pain. 19:36.322 --> 19:37.504 [SPEAKER_02]: And those are the people that 19:38.277 --> 19:42.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's very hard to get on top of their chronic pain and get rid of it. 19:42.221 --> 19:49.347 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the thing is that this leads me right into like the approach of Western medicine and how it's never going to work, right? 19:49.487 --> 20:08.284 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you've got something like a cognitive aspect of pain where these people have had these traumas and they've wired the brain in a certain way, and you give them an opioid, which is designed to shut down sensory pain pathways, which first of all there's multiple 20:08.264 --> 20:11.809 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just down one of those pathways, doesn't mean that all get shut down, right? 20:12.230 --> 20:20.302 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, um, that doesn't work very well, unless you make it strong enough, that it literally inebriates them. 20:20.563 --> 20:26.973 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone who has a chronic cognitive pain signal, how do you turn that cognition off? 20:28.134 --> 20:29.797 [SPEAKER_02]: You inebriate them, right? 20:29.817 --> 20:31.099 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it works. 20:31.383 --> 20:35.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you get Johnny, you're high, and it goes away temporarily, right? 20:35.994 --> 20:43.291 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is, and I'll never forget the day that, you know, patient walks into my clinic and he was just like, I was like, yeah, so what brings you here? 20:43.331 --> 20:46.358 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was just like, I'm looking for different pain solutions, you know? 20:46.779 --> 20:48.683 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I used to be addicted to opioids. 20:48.663 --> 20:52.648 [SPEAKER_02]: And my whole family's addicted to the opioids, and I got off them, and I'm trying to help other people down. 20:52.668 --> 20:54.010 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, they don't work. 20:54.290 --> 20:57.775 [SPEAKER_02]: They just mess you up and up to where you can't feel the pain, and then it comes back later. 20:58.176 --> 21:01.079 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, he doesn't even need to know the stuff that I know about all the neurology. 21:01.099 --> 21:03.022 [SPEAKER_02]: He knows he understands that that's how it works. 21:03.683 --> 21:07.308 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why that's why they're so addictive, right? 21:07.388 --> 21:10.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they have to make them strong enough that it literally needs to be released, so you don't feel pain. 21:10.912 --> 21:12.434 [SPEAKER_02]: So it works temporarily. 21:12.454 --> 21:13.235 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't feel pain. 21:13.876 --> 21:15.919 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it wears off. 21:16.085 --> 21:18.028 [SPEAKER_02]: and you're right back to that pain. 21:18.368 --> 21:26.280 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're back in that pay state where you're just like, oh, I can work on being paid again, or you're right back to the life that you don't enjoy because of your pain. 21:27.041 --> 21:28.784 [SPEAKER_02]: And so how do you get back to that state of euphoria? 21:28.804 --> 21:30.726 [SPEAKER_02]: You use again, right? 21:30.947 --> 21:32.088 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what addiction is. 21:32.169 --> 21:40.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Addiction is not so much in that the substance you're using is has this crazy biochemical effect on your brain that just makes you addicted to it. 21:40.621 --> 21:50.694 [SPEAKER_02]: There's this large, a very large component of you, you don't enjoy your life, or the simply you're trying to fix with the substance you're using just comes right back. 21:51.214 --> 21:53.638 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when that happens, it just makes things worse. 21:53.678 --> 21:54.499 [SPEAKER_02]: So it makes things worse. 21:54.659 --> 21:55.300 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes things worse. 21:55.320 --> 21:59.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And you just keep using, keep using, and then people find harder and harder drugs, and that's how addiction happens. 22:00.727 --> 22:04.992 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's, like if you talk to people who work with people with addiction, like, 22:04.972 --> 22:12.621 [SPEAKER_02]: A huge aspect of getting over addiction is not just, you know, we're framing from the thing they have to do other things that we wire their brain. 22:13.101 --> 22:14.723 [SPEAKER_02]: So they have to have a social support system. 22:15.003 --> 22:22.932 [SPEAKER_02]: They have to exercise, they have to, there's a million things that we wire your brain, you know, circadian rhythm or proper diet, like all these different things. 22:23.112 --> 22:30.861 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are huge aspects of getting over addiction because you've got to rewire the brain to where you're not getting that cognitive pain signal still. 22:31.141 --> 22:31.722 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah. 22:31.972 --> 22:36.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephen, nobody wants to do the lifestyle stuff, what are you talking about? 22:36.375 --> 22:40.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm sure Jaya, that's it, there it is. 22:40.797 --> 23:01.539 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally, it's funny because so many of these conversations end up back at the same place as you know, which is like diet, get out, get the sun and do your skin and your eyes and you know drink clean water and and all of those things and it's just, it's, it's wild that we're still kind of banging on this drum to convince people, you know, the stuff that got us here of thousands of thousands of years of evolution, it still works. 23:01.719 --> 23:03.782 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it makes the most sense. 23:03.802 --> 23:05.083 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what. 23:05.063 --> 23:06.806 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just how I've had to learn things. 23:06.846 --> 23:11.012 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why does, why does setting your chaket in rhythm makes sense for health? 23:11.073 --> 23:13.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Why does drinking clean water makes sense for your health? 23:13.857 --> 23:14.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Why does avoiding toxins? 23:14.879 --> 23:21.349 [SPEAKER_02]: Because for, you know, the millions of years that even the species before modern humans came around, like that's the environment that was in. 23:21.409 --> 23:23.633 [SPEAKER_02]: So all of this physiology is catered to that. 23:23.993 --> 23:30.143 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the last, you know, especially in the last 250 years or so, there's been some massive changes. 23:30.123 --> 23:30.804 [SPEAKER_02]: that have happened. 23:31.205 --> 23:33.390 [SPEAKER_02]: And humans are incredible at adapting. 23:33.410 --> 23:34.272 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still staying alive. 23:34.292 --> 23:36.196 [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't mean we're going to be happy and healthy. 23:36.798 --> 23:36.998 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 23:37.359 --> 23:41.628 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I mean you look at, you know, the cry disease. 23:41.949 --> 23:45.497 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically that's an adaptation to this environment that we've changed so drastically. 23:45.898 --> 23:46.699 [SPEAKER_02]: And how has it changed? 23:46.719 --> 23:49.245 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we went from living like literally outside. 23:49.225 --> 23:57.716 [SPEAKER_02]: it infrared light, like in sync with the sun and contact with the earth eating natural food, feeding water, movement all day long, to not doing any of those things. 23:58.057 --> 24:12.195 [SPEAKER_02]: Living indoors, away from infrared and sunlight, you know, artificial light disrupting our circadian rhythm, tons of toxic exposures, processed foods diets that aren't nutrient dense, traumas, stored traumas, all those different things that evolve. 24:12.175 --> 24:13.636 [SPEAKER_02]: drastically changes the environment. 24:13.656 --> 24:31.834 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like in the face of all that, the fact that humans can still be alive and even reproduce, like in the face of all that, it's crazy at our ability to adapt, but it doesn't leave to a life of happiness and longevity and not being healthy. 24:32.154 --> 24:35.137 [SPEAKER_02]: It creates this life of struggle and sickness. 24:36.278 --> 24:40.242 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the issue that we're creating. 24:40.222 --> 24:44.934 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious on a more physical level, so actually we'll ask you this question first. 24:45.195 --> 24:50.890 [SPEAKER_00]: So does that mean chronic pain is mostly psychological? 24:51.123 --> 25:16.118 [SPEAKER_02]: in a lot of cases yes whether it's whether you've gotten the injury before and you had pain from the injury or you've got some sort of a balance is like wearing your knee the wrong way or whatever you know or wearing your shoulder the wrong way or some past injury that's done that and you get this chronic sensory pain signal that could be a source of chronic pain now whether or not that becomes like if you fix that imbalance 25:16.098 --> 25:31.440 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's great, but if while you were dealing with that chronic pain, you worried about it so much that it wire the cognitive centers of your brain to the emotional centers into the sensory centers, you could fix that imbalance and you could still get paid from a cognitive aspect. 25:31.420 --> 25:59.014 [SPEAKER_02]: right so it just depends like when when someone says that says I have chronic pain I got to figure out where it's coming from is this more cognitive there is this more chronic sensory right because there so here's an example like there's a study there's lots of studies like this actually where they they took people without any sort of pain and they just did some sort of imaging like they did this one they did MRIs at the low back 25:59.163 --> 26:08.603 [SPEAKER_02]: And in 52% of those people that was severe, not just some degeneration, but severe degeneration in the Lumbar spine, but they had no pain whatsoever, in the Lumbar spine. 26:09.084 --> 26:09.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 26:09.745 --> 26:15.577 [SPEAKER_02]: And they 50% of people, the other 48% I guess, had no degeneration, and they also didn't have pain. 26:16.058 --> 26:18.724 [SPEAKER_02]: So it goes to show that. 26:18.704 --> 26:47.192 [SPEAKER_02]: you know that degeneration that imbalance right there doesn't mean it has to have pain it's all about the biochemical state which I would say is all about body charge and having enough voltage in the tissue because that's the chemical change we're talking about you can call that inflammation you can call the oxidative stress you can call it pH you know acidity versus alkaline all that kind of stuff we're all describing the same thing 26:47.172 --> 26:51.358 [SPEAKER_02]: these people could be having a chronic pain signal because of that tissue change but they're not. 26:52.059 --> 26:55.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Right and so it's kind of this fine line. 26:55.043 --> 26:57.306 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you can't say that it's all one of the other. 26:57.346 --> 26:59.810 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all cognitive or it's all sensory. 27:01.092 --> 27:05.518 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to figure out which one it is depending on what that person is and their timeline of pain. 27:06.157 --> 27:09.901 [SPEAKER_02]: But I also know that if I hit a view somebody and ask him what's going on there, oh, I have chronic pain. 27:09.941 --> 27:12.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, tell me about what's happened to your new life. 27:12.604 --> 27:15.227 [SPEAKER_02]: And they start listening off all these traumas of this really tough life. 27:15.247 --> 27:16.248 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm there, okay. 27:16.268 --> 27:18.510 [SPEAKER_02]: This is probably more cognitive, right? 27:18.930 --> 27:25.297 [SPEAKER_02]: They've, even if they never had these, um, an injury happening right now, or some major imbalance or an injury in the past. 27:25.317 --> 27:26.899 [SPEAKER_02]: This creates scar tissue, things like that. 27:26.939 --> 27:35.708 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if they've never had that, they could still have chronic pain just from the 27:35.975 --> 27:39.638 [SPEAKER_02]: The cognition that that's created, that's wiring those sinners together. 27:39.678 --> 27:46.504 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, so I would say that not all chronic pain is cognitive, but I think a large majority of it is. 27:47.085 --> 27:59.735 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I think medicine's getting it wrong, because there are assuming that chronic pain has to do with the spot that someone's feeling pain, and it has to do with the brain and rewiring the brain, which, again, there are many, many ways we can rewire the brain. 28:00.276 --> 28:05.020 [SPEAKER_02]: But the log comes back to the same stuff that I'm sure is reiterating a lot on your podcast. 28:05.101 --> 28:12.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was just going to say, like, does that mean we're booking in with psychotherapists, hypnotherapists, you know, doing that kind of work? 28:13.028 --> 28:18.133 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that where people would need to go in conjunction with maybe the structural tissues support that they need as well? 28:18.293 --> 28:33.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so if there is, like, a lot of past trauma in things that, or emotional dysregulation, or things like that, then yes, psychotherapy, hypnosis, all those different things, can be things that are useful, 28:33.687 --> 28:42.904 [SPEAKER_02]: But in reality, the goal of a therapeutic relationship is to create an empathic relationship that rewires the brain and engages more right and left brain and makes them communicate to each other again. 28:42.944 --> 28:45.870 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what the goal is there with that. 28:46.210 --> 28:48.675 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's one thing that can work. 28:48.757 --> 28:53.385 [SPEAKER_02]: but I would also argue that that's not, most of the time, that's not gonna fully work on its own. 28:53.966 --> 28:59.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Because then the person can't just have that in path of relationship or starts to be wired, the brain doesn't go back to the environment. 29:00.057 --> 29:01.379 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep it wired that way. 29:01.920 --> 29:04.385 [SPEAKER_02]: So we need to change that environment. 29:04.685 --> 29:06.208 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that could be, 29:06.188 --> 29:11.961 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, family dynamics or relationships or things like that, but it can also be your light environment. 29:12.001 --> 29:13.043 [SPEAKER_02]: It's incredibly all. 29:13.063 --> 29:14.286 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to set your security rhythm. 29:14.306 --> 29:17.052 [SPEAKER_02]: It may be very conscious of your exposure to blue light at what times. 29:17.473 --> 29:21.001 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be that you need to start moving your body and rewire in your brain that way. 29:21.342 --> 29:23.286 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be that you need to change your diet. 29:23.266 --> 29:38.968 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be that you need to avoid toxins, or get in contact with other do things that stimulate this more non-stabbalanced, this stress and non-stress response that your body is supposed to be having so that you bring that cognition and that worry down, right? 29:38.988 --> 29:42.413 [SPEAKER_02]: So you stop worrying about something so much that it's wiring those sinners. 29:42.733 --> 29:51.265 [SPEAKER_02]: And you go to therapy and you're getting this empathic relationship, which is kind of rewiring things, but you're going to help that therapy prove work so much better if you go home and you do these things as well. 29:51.329 --> 30:02.149 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, but that can be a very, very important aspect of resolving chronic pain because if there's a stored past trauma or there's something that someone 30:03.361 --> 30:07.407 [SPEAKER_02]: he is not able to process or energy that stuck in the body that's not able to move. 30:07.467 --> 30:14.156 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's going to keep you in this worry and in cohere at state that's keeping your brain wired that way. 30:14.176 --> 30:15.238 [SPEAKER_02]: So you got to resolve that. 30:15.318 --> 30:17.561 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing that's important to look at for people. 30:17.581 --> 30:23.850 [SPEAKER_00]: And you we're going to go into the physical before in regards to voltage and alkalinity in those kind of things. 30:23.830 --> 30:34.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet, maybe lean into that conversation a bit about the physicality of the tissue and what's going on in the body that, I guess, facilitates or dilutes or removes the pain. 30:35.681 --> 30:36.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah. 30:36.442 --> 30:45.370 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, when I talk about a sensory pain signal, what's happening in a tissue somewhere in the body is we've had a chemical change, right? 30:45.891 --> 30:46.511 [SPEAKER_02]: The chemical change. 30:46.531 --> 30:50.715 [SPEAKER_02]: What I mean by that is the voltage has changed, the voltage is not high enough. 30:51.455 --> 31:11.886 [SPEAKER_02]: So there was his really interesting experiments done by a guy named Robert Becker and he was he was very he wrote about the book the body of electric And he was working on like regrowing limbs like like nudes and salamanders do he was like looking into why they do that and if we could do that, you know, and he figured out that it's all voltage. 31:12.687 --> 31:14.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, is what triggers the. 31:15.046 --> 31:18.030 [SPEAKER_02]: the length of a salamina to regrow or the tail of a salamina to regrow. 31:18.851 --> 31:40.159 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was just doing experiments and he would just measure, he was measuring the voltage of various body parts and he found that the voltage, the areas of the body that were the most prone to voltage changes and kind of had the lowest overall voltage with low back the neck and the back of the head and it's just like, well, where do people get paid and most commonly? 31:40.544 --> 31:43.028 [SPEAKER_02]: like low back, the neck, and the back of the head, right? 31:43.048 --> 31:48.258 [SPEAKER_02]: So those suggest that it's about voltage when we get this change in voltage. 31:48.899 --> 31:50.442 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're electrical beings, right? 31:50.462 --> 31:52.405 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what does that mean? 31:52.465 --> 31:58.236 [SPEAKER_02]: So all life on the planet sustains itself by gaining energy to itself. 31:58.256 --> 32:00.560 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you gain energy, you can use the energy to create order. 32:01.041 --> 32:04.527 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the order that we know of as health or proper physiology. 32:04.507 --> 32:10.796 [SPEAKER_02]: unless you don't have enough energy, you're going to, in the form of electrons, you're going to drop your voltage, all right? 32:10.856 --> 32:21.051 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's ways that we get energy from the environment, we get it from direct sunlight exposure, we get it from contact with the Earth, we get it from gentleman movement of the body, we can also harvest the chemical bonds from food and get energy that way. 32:21.892 --> 32:26.840 [SPEAKER_02]: But all we're trying to do is take those electrons and use them to create enough charge in the body. 32:27.340 --> 32:31.206 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to combine that charge is stored in structured water. 32:31.608 --> 32:35.213 [SPEAKER_02]: which I've talked about on the podcast when we talked about the heart and everything. 32:36.174 --> 32:38.017 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's structural water's what stores that voltage. 32:38.057 --> 32:43.685 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when you hear people in the hell space and they're talking about, oh, we have inflammation. 32:44.166 --> 32:48.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Or we have a high oxidative stress, these free radical molecules that are creating oxidative stress. 32:48.652 --> 32:52.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Or we have our tissues acidic, right? 32:52.397 --> 32:53.559 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not alkaline enough. 32:54.560 --> 33:00.889 [SPEAKER_02]: All they're talking about, the stage, the same thing for all that stuff, is that there's a lack of voltage 33:00.869 --> 33:03.280 [SPEAKER_02]: a low-body charge, right? 33:03.521 --> 33:07.960 [SPEAKER_02]: And so something is either, either we're not in the right environments that are creating that charge. 33:08.058 --> 33:13.306 [SPEAKER_02]: or we're surrounding ourselves with things that are stealing the charge or making a heart for our body to maintain that charge. 33:13.906 --> 33:19.514 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if we get an issue like that and we lose the charge, we can get, we can just be in pain. 33:19.575 --> 33:21.117 [SPEAKER_02]: We stick and sore all the time. 33:21.137 --> 33:22.419 [SPEAKER_02]: People wake up like that all the time. 33:22.479 --> 33:31.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I'm so stiff and sore, you know, because there's low voltage in your body or you could get physical damage to a tissue. 33:30.991 --> 33:33.656 [SPEAKER_02]: that when you damage it, it can't maintain its voltage. 33:33.676 --> 33:39.766 [SPEAKER_02]: And what happens, the bias senses that chemical change that just happened, that's drop and voltage. 33:39.786 --> 33:42.771 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're just a big sensory organism as all we are. 33:42.891 --> 33:44.675 [SPEAKER_02]: We're sensing our environment in many different ways. 33:45.235 --> 33:46.758 [SPEAKER_02]: And we sense our internal environment, too. 33:47.059 --> 33:52.508 [SPEAKER_02]: And if that sensory signal says, oh, if there's a drop and voltage there, the nervous system sends that signal up. 33:52.528 --> 33:54.872 [SPEAKER_02]: The brace says, oh, there's a drop and voltage there. 33:54.852 --> 33:55.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Pain signal back down. 33:56.174 --> 33:57.175 [SPEAKER_02]: Pay attention to this area. 33:57.195 --> 33:58.137 [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically a pay attention. 33:58.157 --> 33:59.619 [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that could threaten your life. 33:59.879 --> 34:00.540 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, fix this. 34:01.482 --> 34:02.764 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it's telling us. 34:02.784 --> 34:05.127 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's all based on voltage. 34:05.388 --> 34:09.013 [SPEAKER_02]: So based on electrons stored in structure wire. 34:09.033 --> 34:15.122 [SPEAKER_02]: People think that ATP is the energy currency of the body and ATP does hold an energy currency area to be bond. 34:15.102 --> 34:18.809 [SPEAKER_02]: of energy, but it's it's it's not the energy currency of body. 34:18.829 --> 34:25.462 [SPEAKER_02]: It has a specific role to do something with that energy Structured water, which is this gel light foam of water and our bodies. 34:25.923 --> 34:32.597 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what's holding the body's charge because it's a huge store of electrons To be put your body in a situation that allows it to gain electrons from environment. 34:32.617 --> 34:36.925 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to build structure of water because that's how it has to store you by asked to store it that way 34:36.905 --> 34:52.939 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's that that that conversation there about about this this chemical change that happens So you can measure that like people say it's more alkalin versus more acidic you can measure the pH of something And if it's more acidic you've lost voltage 34:53.425 --> 34:57.413 [SPEAKER_02]: and if it's more outline, you gain a voltage, and that's what it's all about. 34:57.853 --> 35:03.264 [SPEAKER_00]: And can we simply just drink structured water, or it must have be created in the body? 35:04.807 --> 35:08.734 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of a semantics or terminology here, so like, 35:08.714 --> 35:15.785 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say you can't drink structured water people say, oh, I'm drinking structured water or I'm structuring my water before drinking and definitely can't really do that. 35:15.825 --> 35:19.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because if you were drinking structured water, you'd be drinking like a gel. 35:20.733 --> 35:21.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it'd be like jello. 35:22.175 --> 35:24.299 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so you'd be kind of like trying to get jello down. 35:25.260 --> 35:28.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because the temperature is dependent thing like a room temperature. 35:28.445 --> 35:29.507 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a gel or 35:29.487 --> 35:42.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so structure water is water has the ability to hold energy, and so when it holds energy and it gets next to a water-loving surface, the biological surface, all biological surfaces are water-loving. 35:43.347 --> 35:51.478 [SPEAKER_02]: It can rearrange itself into what's called structure water, easy water, or exclusion zone water, or... 35:51.897 --> 35:54.706 [SPEAKER_02]: a bound water is not to the different names for a fourth-based water. 35:55.348 --> 36:04.236 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what happens is, you know, we all know that water can be ice, it can also be water, liquid water, but there's this state in between the two that's more like a gel. 36:05.127 --> 36:08.471 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's different than ice because it's not just water molecules, sprosed and together. 36:08.511 --> 36:17.784 [SPEAKER_02]: So together, it's actually, uh, they cleave off one of the hydrogens, and it combines itself into a kind of into a lattice-like structure that forms this gel-like substance. 36:18.484 --> 36:23.972 [SPEAKER_02]: And most of the water and our bodies is in this gel-like state, which is why if I take the tissue in my form and do this, I feel like a gel, right? 36:24.512 --> 36:26.655 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like water liquid water. 36:26.675 --> 36:27.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not water-bid. 36:27.436 --> 36:28.798 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a gel, mostly. 36:29.439 --> 36:30.460 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, 36:32.161 --> 36:34.865 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's, that's what holds energy. 36:34.905 --> 36:35.926 [SPEAKER_02]: So water holds energy. 36:36.587 --> 36:41.374 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's energized enough, and it's coherent enough, the water molecules are communicating enough to each other. 36:41.854 --> 36:44.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Then when it gets next to that biological surface, it will form structured water. 36:45.039 --> 36:47.322 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see this in plant roots and trees outside. 36:47.362 --> 36:49.124 [SPEAKER_02]: We see this in living things. 36:49.685 --> 36:50.666 [SPEAKER_02]: We can do it artificially. 36:50.686 --> 36:57.576 [SPEAKER_02]: It would take a hydrophilics surface, like napeon, which is a, you know, and it's a material. 36:57.616 --> 36:59.198 [SPEAKER_02]: We can use a hydrophilic. 36:59.178 --> 37:01.480 [SPEAKER_02]: But water next to it, and it will build structured water on it. 37:02.061 --> 37:03.782 [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is happening in our body. 37:03.802 --> 37:07.786 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and it all happens when you put energy to it, right? 37:07.806 --> 37:13.871 [SPEAKER_02]: So the main form of energy for all life on the planet is sunlight is infrared light from the sun. 37:13.931 --> 37:21.999 [SPEAKER_02]: And so in Dr. Pollock's lab at University of Washington, they've shown that far infrared light energy when you shine that on water causes it to build more structure of water. 37:22.179 --> 37:27.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're putting energy to it, it has to be stored somewhere, so it's stored as structure of water on the lining of this. 37:27.764 --> 37:29.406 [SPEAKER_02]: hydrophilic surface that they build. 37:29.827 --> 37:41.124 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that means that, yes, you can energize the water that you drink so that it's more coherent and it's full of energy so that when you drink it and it gets into your body, ideally it will form most structure of water when it gets in there. 37:41.164 --> 37:45.130 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can also recognize that we are made up of water. 37:45.211 --> 37:49.217 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like 99.9% water molecules by volume, right? 37:49.437 --> 37:56.067 [SPEAKER_02]: There's lots of other stuff in there, but most of us is water. 37:56.418 --> 37:59.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Gain allows it to get energy, you're going to build structured water that way. 38:00.602 --> 38:04.606 [SPEAKER_02]: So this again means sunlight and being in contact with the earth. 38:04.686 --> 38:14.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the main ways that we should get energy and you can also harvest the chemical bonds from food and gain electrons from that and do metabolism and those electrons are stored in structured water as well. 38:15.797 --> 38:21.262 [SPEAKER_02]: So we literally make metabolic water in a mitochondria during that process. 38:21.763 --> 38:26.087 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what it's all about is making that structure water. 38:26.067 --> 38:56.074 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, and if you think about that as this fundamental purpose of life, of stating itself on this planet, is to gain energy and store it and use it to build structured water, you look at what humans have done as far as you look at the statistics or the surveys or the studies, they show that the average person's men's 93% of their time inside or it enclosed vehicle these days. 38:56.054 --> 39:05.085 [SPEAKER_02]: and you're you're you're not getting the energy you need so of course it's hard for your body to just stay in itself and create health and we don't have the energy. 39:05.487 --> 39:16.481 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you're also adding in things that have been shown to steal the body's energy like wireless signals and non-native EMF type things as well as various talks and exposures. 39:16.521 --> 39:21.126 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we see these things like these various toxins as as free radicals. 39:21.207 --> 39:22.628 [SPEAKER_02]: They're oxidative molecules. 39:22.668 --> 39:23.249 [SPEAKER_02]: What are they doing? 39:23.630 --> 39:24.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Stealing electrons. 39:24.751 --> 39:26.113 [SPEAKER_02]: They're stealing your body's charge. 39:26.133 --> 39:35.224 [SPEAKER_02]: They're stealing your energy for themselves. 39:35.204 --> 39:40.374 [SPEAKER_02]: that can create a chemical pain or a chemical change in a tissue that can cause pain, right? 39:40.955 --> 39:43.059 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's why people are working out feeling stiff and sore and everything. 39:43.079 --> 39:49.011 [SPEAKER_02]: You can make it more likely that some imbalance, like some imbalance in your knee, uh, can cause pain. 39:49.051 --> 39:50.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Because now this friction is happening. 39:50.354 --> 39:53.660 [SPEAKER_02]: If you got low voltage already, now you're going to get that chemical change. 39:53.700 --> 39:55.504 [SPEAKER_02]: It's enough to cross the pain same on your brain. 39:56.185 --> 39:56.706 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, 39:56.686 --> 40:04.967 [SPEAKER_02]: But just like those people who had the severe degeneration, they had this imbalance, this bone-on-bone thing, and they're widened their pain because their voltage was fine, right? 40:04.987 --> 40:13.108 [SPEAKER_02]: So the physical change that you see from a degeneration or an injury or something like that may not cause pain if your voltage is okay. 40:13.088 --> 40:20.079 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what it's all about, is maintaining that voltage in the face of these imbalances that we may or may not have. 40:21.181 --> 40:25.808 [SPEAKER_02]: So I know your question was about drinking a structure water, but that was good enough. 40:26.730 --> 40:37.527 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's more about getting toxin-free mineral rich, energized water, and drinking that so that when it gets into you and you get the right environment, it can become a structure of water. 40:37.810 --> 40:56.983 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's wild to me how, I don't know, how what level conspiracy to go here, but like how how how much effort has been seemingly put into divorcing us and that's a good word to use that you used before from the ideas that putting your bare feet on the earth, you know, and being and putting your skin in the sun. 40:56.963 --> 41:12.981 [SPEAKER_00]: They're two of the most natural, primitive, most important things to healthy human function, and it feels like unless you're a health professional and in a fringe group of health professionals, and a biohacker, beyond that, it feels really, really hard to convince people to do it. 41:13.061 --> 41:14.905 [SPEAKER_00]: And they might say, yeah, yeah, yeah, make sense, make sense. 41:14.885 --> 41:28.845 [SPEAKER_00]: and not do it at all and still go hunting for the supplements online or the drugs online or the support groups, you know, and it's, it's, you know, like, I live in Australia and the amount of effort that's been put into convincing people to stay away from the sun entirely. 41:28.865 --> 41:33.512 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we have like the world's highest amount of melanoma as a result of, it's just wild. 41:33.532 --> 41:37.057 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like we are animals and that's nature like we're made for each other. 41:37.117 --> 41:42.985 [SPEAKER_00]: It just, it continues to, continues to baffle me how convinced we are that it's just not important. 41:42.965 --> 41:46.392 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing is is that you look at the research on some of my exposure. 41:46.412 --> 41:49.217 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing there that shows that the sun is bad for us. 41:49.578 --> 42:00.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you look at the studies where they that they use to say that UVB light causes skin cancer, they were done on mice and rats that have been genetically. 42:00.920 --> 42:08.012 [SPEAKER_02]: altered to have no hair, which is not the way mice and rats are supposed to be, so you can't like there's the caveat right there. 42:08.734 --> 42:14.724 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, they take a UVB lamp and they just shine it on them, which is never the way UVB light comes from the sun. 42:15.085 --> 42:18.270 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always balanced by all the colors and wavelengths of light from the sun. 42:18.250 --> 42:29.943 [SPEAKER_02]: and they're taking this one isolated land, which is artificial, it's shining on them on these mice and rats that are, they don't have the hair, and they're saying, yes, CVB light causes skin cancer, which makes no sense whatsoever. 42:30.383 --> 42:34.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, you look at studies, and these are association with studies, you have to take them with a grain of salt. 42:34.949 --> 42:47.042 [SPEAKER_02]: But the populations, there's studies in the UK, in our in Europe, and in the United States, that show that the people who get the most 42:47.022 --> 42:47.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:47.583 --> 42:54.953 [SPEAKER_02]: And people who get skin cancer, the ones who get more UVB light, ones they have skin cancer, have less death rates of skin cancer. 42:56.115 --> 43:03.305 [SPEAKER_02]: There's studies of people in the Navy that the people who work indoors have higher rates of skin cancer than the ones who work outdoors. 43:03.585 --> 43:14.040 [SPEAKER_02]: And they get skin cancer more readily on areas that don't ever get sun or get less sunlight like on the trunk, you know, underneath where you're sure would be not on your head or your arms or anything. 43:14.060 --> 43:15.662 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more common on the trunk. 43:15.642 --> 43:21.714 [SPEAKER_02]: So what we're getting, the message we're getting here is that lack of sunlight is what's really causing melanoma. 43:21.734 --> 43:30.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, does that mean that you just go out and and get as much sun as you can without having to train your body or build up your solar calis, no, that's not what we're saying. 43:30.733 --> 43:34.360 [SPEAKER_02]: But what we're saying here is that lack of sunlight is probably contributing to melanoma. 43:34.340 --> 43:45.410 [SPEAKER_02]: And also blocking like the original forms of sunscreen just block UVB and blocking UVB and letting in too much UVA has been shown to cause the changes of skinscales that cause skin cancer. 43:45.990 --> 43:49.934 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they noticed that early on and now they start making sunscreens that block UVA as well. 43:50.794 --> 43:53.377 [SPEAKER_02]: But a reality, those aren't the things that are causing skin cancer. 43:53.837 --> 43:58.041 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you if you block and create imbalance like that that can. 43:58.081 --> 44:03.165 [SPEAKER_02]: So the other thing is that modern windows filter out UVB but let in UVA. 44:03.398 --> 44:24.944 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're sitting behind these modern windows that are double-pained or whatever, and and we're letting in the wrong wavelengths of light are the imbalance wavelengths of light that's contributing to the changes of the skin cells that cause cost skin cancer, and then you try and like go outside and you try and block them with chemical sunscreens, and you just ask chemicals to the equation, which also can result in these changes as well. 44:25.084 --> 44:31.752 [SPEAKER_02]: And I dug into cancer a little bit a lot back, and I made a course on that, and cancer come down to voltage as well. 44:31.732 --> 44:37.262 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're, if you're cells lose voltage, they can't maintain proper, right, reproduction cycles. 44:38.664 --> 44:41.990 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we start to get this rapidly dividing cell. 44:42.030 --> 44:43.452 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not getting a signal properly. 44:43.472 --> 44:46.638 [SPEAKER_02]: It's getting a signal to rapidly divide rather than control the vision. 44:47.539 --> 44:48.761 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's all comes down to voltage. 44:48.822 --> 44:52.588 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, health and all life comes down to gaining energy from your environment. 44:52.608 --> 44:55.152 [SPEAKER_02]: Maintaining your voltage should be maintained the order that we call health. 44:55.273 --> 44:57.216 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty much a basic understanding of it. 44:57.415 --> 45:02.202 [SPEAKER_00]: So the take I message from this podcast is rollin' the grass, get more sun, and do it naked. 45:03.083 --> 45:03.484 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 45:05.206 --> 45:05.767 [SPEAKER_02]: I like it. 45:05.787 --> 45:07.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I love it. 45:07.089 --> 45:09.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your time and all of your wisdom. 45:09.413 --> 45:11.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Where can everybody that's listening that's like Stephen is awesome? 45:11.836 --> 45:13.098 [SPEAKER_00]: I would need more of him in my life. 45:13.338 --> 45:13.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Where can they go? 45:13.999 --> 45:14.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are we sending them? 45:14.881 --> 45:17.164 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my website is resourceyourhealth.com. 45:17.985 --> 45:20.689 [SPEAKER_02]: So pretty much everything I'm doing is on there. 45:20.669 --> 45:24.298 [SPEAKER_02]: I've just recently launched a kind of a heart health program. 45:24.900 --> 45:26.043 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people are interested in that. 45:26.824 --> 45:28.148 [SPEAKER_02]: They can they can find out the website. 45:28.789 --> 45:31.095 [SPEAKER_02]: My book is on Amazon, but they're also on my website. 45:31.175 --> 45:32.378 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm also on social media. 45:32.800 --> 45:34.885 [SPEAKER_02]: Just at Dr. Stephen Hussie, D.R. 45:34.905 --> 45:36.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Stephen Hussie, people can find me there each out there. 45:36.970 --> 45:37.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 45:37.631 --> 45:37.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 45:37.971 --> 45:40.254 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put those links down in the show notes below for everybody. 45:40.294 --> 45:43.879 [SPEAKER_00]: So scroll down and click the link and before we go We're going to do this real talk segment. 45:43.899 --> 45:47.744 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to bust out a few questions for you to answer and then we'll wrap it up. 45:47.804 --> 45:48.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Sound good. 45:48.545 --> 45:49.146 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. 45:49.166 --> 45:49.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 45:49.747 --> 45:50.087 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 45:50.107 --> 45:50.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Question number one. 45:51.149 --> 45:54.213 [SPEAKER_00]: What's something that you believe now that made you laugh 10 years ago? 45:54.233 --> 45:59.620 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that I could possibly get rid of type one diabetes. 45:59.920 --> 46:02.944 [SPEAKER_02]: I entertained that now when I didn't before. 46:02.924 --> 46:08.032 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm figuring out how, what I would try or anything, but I'm kind of giving the sense that it could be possible. 46:08.272 --> 46:15.584 [SPEAKER_02]: What's one habit you'd be embarrassed to admit that you still have, I don't know if it's a habit, but I still have a bit of a sweet tooth, I think. 46:16.365 --> 46:23.597 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though, like, because I'm type on diabetic, I don't have many carbohydrates, which I don't think everybody has to do, but I do that. 46:24.258 --> 46:24.879 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still there. 46:26.161 --> 46:26.361 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 46:26.702 --> 46:30.788 [SPEAKER_00]: What's a rabbit hole topic you think more people should explore structured water? 46:30.903 --> 46:34.997 [SPEAKER_00]: What's one supplement, habit, or wellness trend that you think is overhype? 46:35.077 --> 46:35.498 [SPEAKER_00]: Just one? 46:35.518 --> 46:40.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'd say, I'd say peptides. 46:41.739 --> 46:42.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:42.277 --> 46:45.000 [SPEAKER_00]: In 20 years from now, what do you want to be known for? 46:45.741 --> 46:50.506 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to change the conversation about heart disease and health in general. 46:50.626 --> 46:56.172 [SPEAKER_00]: And if everything you've ever said was deleted, what's one sentence you'd want to leave people with today? 46:56.452 --> 46:58.414 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not my sentence. 46:58.795 --> 47:02.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody else's, it's state curious, not detrimental. 47:02.398 --> 47:02.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 47:03.019 --> 47:05.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks for doing that, and thanks for being here on the podcast. 47:05.969 --> 47:06.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thanks for having me. 47:07.579 --> 47:09.068 [SPEAKER_00]: No worries, I'll look forward to having you back. 47:09.671 --> 47:10.657 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, time. 47:11.482 --> 47:11.985 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, mate. 47:12.005 --> 47:12.790 [SPEAKER_00]: See you later. 47:14.255 --> 47:15.637 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, thanks for listening to the show. 47:16.038 --> 47:22.027 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