[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome for today, Lorcaz and me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy today will be continuing our coverage of the Raven guard with the arrival of Corax into the Legion and has worked to reform it in his image and their actions in the great crusade right up to this fun, five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, is this the biggest remake of a Legion or Clyde?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of the least.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a the promised modern is really more caring to say on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how he's so does Gilliam doesn't do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dorn doesn't have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sanguanyas were fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a close of them guys like just kind of just jumped in and just made a couple things and went ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically it's actually the world leaders because he did shove spikes in their skulls.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were already psychos, so I don't think they were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, there wasn't a, well, I sure shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a culture shift and a physical shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shift and spikes in skull.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, they're probably, I'll just say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they, they, they're really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Completely became a different Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, massive moral sway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't even.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were so, maybe they did a 180 degree turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could like, you know, 45.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: More like 145.
[SPEAKER_01]: They stopped skinning people, but everything else was kind of the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: 45 on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yes, barely anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't kill people and hang their skin off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, that seems like more than a casual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the line King the toughest game of the universe, by the way, have you played it recently?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: The monkey puzzle?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I actually, I'm not saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not refuted you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying why is the children's game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is the tough?
[SPEAKER_01]: We cover it on the show, but they made a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, they try to make puzzles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, kids just want to button mash on a good user, but it's basically to solve a puzzle that's effectively random.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or 4.25 euros because we're going back to Holland, but this time we're doing Amsterdam because it's actually a city that I love.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't been Amsterdam, go simply point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hub for artists and musicians for hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the fact that love Amsterdam, however, if you're walking down a walkway, you have to watch out for people on
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's also, so I want to have fair places like, like, genuinely one of my favorite places.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like it because I also like museums.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Amsterdam has the highest concentration of museums per square mile, but not me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to win a Guinness World record sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually have good museums.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like right museums from an exceptional, then go.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you like him is good, but they actually have a Rembrandt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Rembrandt more than like Van Gogh.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a Stedel, a Stedelyeck, the foam, tons of these stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: awesome for culture, a lot of shit to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and a Brad's, you know, fear, but my joy, you can write bikes everywhere, which is cool as hell because they got canals everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually ride said bikes, and it's fantastic way to get on places like rides a ton of bike.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I wasn't prepared for.
[SPEAKER_00]: those electronic bikes that haul ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you trying to knock, they're also just really tall people who are really fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may have been, that there is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just might have been somebody riding a bike way faster than I can ride a bike.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that is clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably more than it is because he can bring the seat up, you know, above the first notch.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, I don't even understand what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's other notches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really do love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm stood out and say, but it's also a beautiful city, but it's a Blumen market, which is where you have all the flowers that when the tulips bloom, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I covered this a while back last time I covered the Holland, but I'm doing it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dutch are fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got great bars, great music, great clubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: My wife and I still talk about there's a bar there called Tales and Spirits.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't been, go.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're anywhere near Amsterdam, go there right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tales and spirits of the Tiki bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they pirate theme Tiki bar in Amsterdam, and it is
[SPEAKER_01]: amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: My god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let us see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've actually been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's absolutely incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only downside is the Dutch language is a little bit goofy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta be careful with your pronunciations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're trying to say, you know, fluking kind of kinds of bolson, and you came out with fluking highman hymer, it's not going to end the way you want it to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Euro trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Luke can hang me, hang me, hang me.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, lastly, our discord, a great place to come and enjoy stuff with the launch of 11th edition, it's gonna be a lot more activity in there about his 12,000 people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we're a lot of activity.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a painting competition that I'm hoping this is releasing before it ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you tell me that,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: This will release before the other pending competition ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come in right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a very aggressive painting competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, it'll be, you're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's counting before the one we had.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is a really great paying competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really encourage everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone who's always submitted up and looking at them, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, but with all that, let's get off to Correx.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha, we left the last cast, Correx had agreed to go with his dad and join the Imperium only after.
[SPEAKER_01]: Only after he made his dad fix his home planet, because again, if you're the youngest, you get whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't vote this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just that he fixed his home planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He fixed the home planet and the moods.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's thick and everything up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, and complete top-to-bottom rebuild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like really nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really solid, like, yeah, shouldn't wind up, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want the keys to the Porsche?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it and enjoy yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, now we're going to cover a bit more this in detail, but there's two kind of main themes on the Ravenguard, and they're really about special treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get a lot of their own tech in their own toys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor seems to be looking to Corax a little bit differently than some of the other primarics.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't going to spoiler alert this though, GW drops this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, David, he was going in a really cool direction where Correx was going to be really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went, man, I'm going over here now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about the timeline on this, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the fact that Correx doesn't join the Ravenguard until after a century of crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're 100th century and then set as 125.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was saying it's, you know, it's a baker's dozen.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's he's got what he wants to do you know you have a gluten allergy but you know at Baker's dozens worked right it's just more it's sure you don't it was talking about a softball it was a softball that made fun of your silly act that's all that was it's a Baker's dozen I don't know what Baker's do I can't have their foods but yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: same thing that I had to happen yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started a conversation wanted to child down that I did something dub and I went, John, I'm a pretty smart dude about stuff and he goes, you really want to go there before you say the next thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least let me start with something good about me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, but let's get into Corox.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Corox gets into this Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: The things I do want to say that I think the Emperor has a plan because of the fact that the Emperor is very far into his own plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Emperor had a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that the Emperor, like this whole narrative just disappears on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm saying, but I'm saying, I think that the Emperor had a plan anyways, like for the this Legion, because it's the last legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The else that he wants to do, everybody else was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: things that have already effectively just been done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still like it more that he's the youngest and the hipers just doing just in the thing you do when you have like six kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I like the last one a lot more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Screw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you want, buddy, whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Corex joins a lesion and he has this kind of what the f*** moment and his moment comes from they are masters of stealth like he expected and they made quite the name for themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the zeric tribe thing that was feeding them was causing a huge issue for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct, there were some psychos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Correx is an independent idealist when it comes to the other primarx.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone wanted to shape their legion to match their ideals and concepts, not Conrad, Conrad didn't want to put any work in.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason I think Conrad was just lazy from being honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens is the...
[SPEAKER_01]: new kind of guard that comes with Correx doesn't align well with the original tearing legionaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: And align, again, not even close.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that what I'm talking more in all the legions, I'm saying the Correx is more extreme, but in all the legions you had this the problem of the emperor knew the basic genetic makeup of the primar.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's all he had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, he didn't know where these primar ends up happening to the primar, because he's creating them with a special set of skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then chaos scatters them to the galaxy where they're kind of upbringing changes who they are as people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the emperor was picking parts of terror to pull people from, to most match like being that he created in the lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Corex is one of the more extreme examples of this, though, where Corex then takes all those and becomes Batman.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the people that the Emperor was like, oh, this guy will sneak up on people and slaughter them in their sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, that man doesn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now he's looking at all these guys the Emperor made going, so you all suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, weird, you know, let me get back to you because none of these guys are gonna be your friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're not who with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it what happens is Corox's thing is he really doesn't like,
[SPEAKER_01]: rulers who rule from like authority.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants you to have more plurality, which the emperor's different emperor actually was trying to uplift humanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking more like lords of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct sort of killed the lords of terror over and over over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good thing he was been in the warp the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when Correx gets and meets the 19th, he's watching them fight, he's like, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they conquer and he goes, hold up big pause here.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you guys doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they had a lot of collateral damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had collateral damage that didn't need to be collateral damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing they have to put in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's watching them do shit for no reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one of the big challenges we run into with him is the, right, we do the writings.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me a lot of 16th to 18th, up century colonialism, where as these legions go out into the galaxy and conquer, everyone, the Emperor's viewpoint is generally the throw English throwes viewpoint in the Spanish front throwes viewpoint, all the throwes viewpoint was the entire world should bend the need of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am an emperor, I am,
[SPEAKER_01]: basically a god in the case of the emperor of mankind.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't have a dick, but he's not wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what you get is some of the legions would act like the British East India company others would act like the flammish and some that even the French in the way that they would colonize.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Zarek were one such.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were brutal when they would conquer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their initial actions in combat were fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kill the leaders, sneak up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's it's the after effects because once we get hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they started purging any dissidents Anybody that at any opinion that wasn't exactly this if you weren't 100% on board They just slaughtered you and it's not even that they've slaughtered.
[SPEAKER_01]: They mean I'd example of you on that
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea they do those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start hunting down, trying to find them, which it's your butterfly effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea is that if you believe something to be true and you actively try to pursue it, you will make it become true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they start creating incidents because they were just such a dick as conquerors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corex looks at this and he reminds him of key of all, which he just, you know, just, just, just, yeah, and Corex is like, nope, I am not, I did not join this to be what I used to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he starts to change the leadership of the 19.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by starts to, he does it very quickly and very, very aggressively by moving everyone all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: We went, we're starting to record and we're talking about our pre-mojo,
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool guys are explaining his two minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good then you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that, we did talk about good restaurants also.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's part of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corex did a really good job and a really bad job of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to set examples without being the guy that's flogging his leadership, but he demoted a lot of guys and he publicly demoted them and put them outside of positions of power
[SPEAKER_00]: you can't do these terrible things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will not stand for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, he did bad stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, bad decision making in my opinion, because he sent some people, hey, you need to get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least they aren't Marcus fall workout.
[SPEAKER_01]: The example is that
[SPEAKER_01]: a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had saw the show band of brothers, but they did to the guy, the guy played Ross and friends, it's that concept of some of you guys are good leaders.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are good this, but I just cannot have you leading troops because you will do a terrible job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so some of them to Brad's point were like, hey, you're now in charge of cleanup duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't get to ever see a civilian ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't leave the ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were a chief in charge of being
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but one of the most important ones he does, we think, because it is Arkus Fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arkus Fall was the Shadeboard, which is the prior chapter master.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arkus had been running the 19th legion for multiple decades at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's borne on terror, he's a zeryctrisman, and he was brutal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Korax meets him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's won 30, I think he's 30 years, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 to 30 plus years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Korax hated him when he met him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Korrax saw in him, because he saw all the evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's see how this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: Arcus Fall was light years loyal to the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Light years loyal emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no chaos corruption in him whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Korrax had a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what he, but he solved that by effectively, all the rogue traders on the upper part of segmentum obscurious, kept just dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: as they draw up there, smoke showing them because it's all bad stuff up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And effectively, whatever humanity is up there is also kind of bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, cool, two birds, one stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arquette's fall, you go up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he sent Arquette's fall with a giant chunk of 19th Legionnaires to just go deal with segment to upstairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, remember, this is also a smaller
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: The section that they become as small as you lately, they become super super.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they become a barber shop court.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Sam.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still over a hundred thousand at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when he does this, they're not 13th legion, but no winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: So precends our case fall up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we think this is important is this may be the origin of the car caradons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the car car radons do have a chimeric gene, a gene seed, so that's more likely that this was the start of it, and that they later collected more such loyalists who are either problematic loyalists or maybe even had been part of one of the trader legions and wanted redemption.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like a pre-death watch type set up, but the car car radons go up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's go because I do think he started taking in people that were all the HR problem children.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't do anything wrong, but you did some stuff wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but you're on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So segment and obscures is not where the goal stars are, but you're segmented up obscures and the upper part of segmented up obscures is ugly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we get a crave, which we'll cover a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get a lot of very, very bad Zeno's up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So screw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to town guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the fact that Corex doesn't just punish and restructure things without explaining it.
[SPEAKER_00]: from his legion and from these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he just goes, you suck it out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he explains the kind of like, be back.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea is that we're going to be a force from good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We fight from the darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: We surprise around him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's we do all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not cutthroat.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't just exploit weakness for personal gain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, fun story on that, Corex rejoins the legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corex says to reform at the 19th and you know who took
[SPEAKER_01]: Conrad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, also these guys insta hate each other to what next.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because Conrad had been there for a bit at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then 19th Legion and the nightlers whose number I'm forgetting, sorry, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't breath out the head with whenever they are athletes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, the eighth Legion are kind of buddy, but like, oh, you know, like, it was negative though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very competitive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this little bit of like, oh, hey, oh, you think you're sneaky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sneakier, blah, blah, blah, and then Corex comes in and goes, oh, we're not hanging out with those guys anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are, those are not our friends, they're out of their minds, and the bigger problem is, they also publicly pointed it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: While Conrad was around, hey, man, we don't want to be like those dudes when you're like, dude, I mean, the same room is you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like, that's kind of how this thing went down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just relax, came in.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I see any of you speaking to one of them, I'm putting you on the train duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll get there later.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of like nightlords yelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so you think you're better than me?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were even going back with, yeah, because we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't talk too much shit in the ear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Currently, strangling a guy with his own intestines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's interesting, no about the Ravenguard, though, is at this time, we do discover that with McCorrex joins there, there's something extra special about their gene seed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was described, I think one on Reddit, so one wrote it really well, where they said,
[SPEAKER_01]: The eighth legion fights from the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 19th legion are the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: The legion actually blends in better and hides and disappears.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become sneaky or once core acts comes in and even harder to detect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we've talked about this in previous cast of it though.
[SPEAKER_00]: When people are closer to their primar, they basically have that psychic link.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has that power up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I make sense, but let's get into the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Corax gets in this region.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as we were saying, he makes these changes, but he also is there to uplift it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't do it, petarabbo does.
[SPEAKER_01]: We come in to just sort of crack in a whip on his legion, or actually anger on does the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as Motarian, he'll a lot of them do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Corax comes in, he does his little shift of power, but then he goes in and says, we're going to make this legion the best legion, not 13th best, but like second best.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Ravenguard, they can blend in anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can remain undetected, the adding but scanners, which as we discovered doesn't say much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corax though, decided to take that and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: he can lean in on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So first thing he does is key of our key of our, which is what he conquered before was a forge world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's deliverance is the moon, everything's put together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I love his story, the Adeptis mechanic is gets there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just shows it around.
[SPEAKER_01]: It masks by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and they're like, oh, my god, it's the greatest place ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't wait to bring you to the fold of a crap, a primarx and charge here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this world is a forge world with mechanical on it, but it's not part of the mechanical because of Correx.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which does cause some conflicts by the way because there's a bunch of STCs there and the planet are like so we don't have to get those over the mechanic them and crox like no So they cool and so just don't one of the best parts is the Ravenguard get
[SPEAKER_00]: extra special tech though, they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that no door and gets this and Vulcan get this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, uh, full-gram might have as well a little bit, but they begin making their own tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tech marine start making more and more complex machinery to match the needs specifically of the Ravenguard.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cover this in the last cast with a moratot because they made them special weapons and jump packs, but they also make this thing called the Shadowhawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else has a Thunderhawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ravenguard got a Shadowhawk, which was the Thunderhawk that was non-detectable by scanners, which, again, sounds really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't read a lot of lore, it sounds awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you read a lot of lore and go, so basically it's a regular Thunderhawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: That just says no one in here spray paint on the outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's quieter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other one I love is the whisper cutter, which is just an abomination of physics, which is supposed to be an open top flyer that uses anti-grab engines, why everything doesn't use these.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what makes it cool is like 10 space marines can ride in it and jump out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one's aware of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to make me angry, just even reading the show notes and looking this up when I was reading it to go, this makes me so annoyed, and I'm not like I'm a radar expert, but why the hell would being open top make you immune to radar, my iPhone convertibles?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still very visible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how it works like I don't have him here in Michigan, but with in California, I had it was lovely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I lost 40,000 years on the server.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why were you using me or whatever?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work that way, but it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: but that was just some of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that they did was they actually started to have that specialized troops along with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we covered this before Ironhand, Space Falls, Blancers, Lunals, and Deathguard, everyone had their own specialized group, you know, like the Justairin, for example.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would all, there's a thousand of these firms.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for what Space Wolves, the entire line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just saying, yes, space wall over the, yes, oh, yes, see, see all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't got another one, but there was something different about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whereas, you know, the space walls had the long fangs, which just make was more of a veteran, see with a just staring, the just staring, they were unique, but they were kind of plucked independently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's just with special operators, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, within Ravenguard, you get something kind of goofy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The story on this is really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: on like this, which is the Moon Corax came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: As he was doing his freedom fighter thing, he had people join him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the ones that joined him seemed to almost absorb some of his powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They too were able to avoid detection when someone was looking at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll admit by its name, because it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, we'll get to it later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the shadow all comes later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is, but it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the shadow walks awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what happens is is that these guys, when they get the jeans and employment implantation actually pick up even more.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become like co-rex, where they start basically phase shifting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these were called the more death-yin.
[SPEAKER_01]: they became this ultimate recon force.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were able to move and they were to communicate in pure silence.
[SPEAKER_01]: The irony is that they've made this whole thing about them, this chewy toys of these guys, by the way, and then they're all dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because users, them, and start to say these more deaths in all over the place, because they're almost a mini-corrects, and then they all just kind of die in the service.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only question mark of them, it becomes this whole thing with more death.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea of a more death-yin is they actually can always phase in and out and they become the super soldiers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is possible that this gene exists and kind of sits there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is some real, I mean, maybe KVN Shrek had this because some of the stuff he pulled off when fighting the orcs, a couple of Ravengard will get his
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe I think that it continues on in the Gen C. This is again a breath there, but again, all of the primaries have being primaries, but they also have their specific superpower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's again, I mean, it's to the next level now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, right as well, he could just basically be effectively invisible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he gives us to his sons.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is carried on in his Gen C. Some people get more of it than others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can see on the tabletop, on the tabletop rules, we can ask in Discord about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, Ravenguard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying now, how about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ravenguard, currently, is very, feels flavorful, very close to what they should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Close it.
[SPEAKER_00]: As much as you're going to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a space marine faction, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Space marine faction just stood with Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the other cool thing about this is they also get their own language.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sign language, but it's still unique to the chat there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's completely silent form of communication.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then you have to use Vox to talk to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so subtle that it can be performed while completely concealed.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the thing where I was allowed to do what I want to get to now is rate slipping.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Corax and the more death the endo is more in a war level where they basically cease to exist physically, to non-mechanicalize, but the rest of the legion become masters of concealment.
[SPEAKER_01]: they can just while wearing power on them, just disappear into the surroundings.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where the Moritot, who obviously I love, that's how these guys will basically stand in the shadow of a hallway, and no one will see the giant space marine there, holding two volkite souls, and then it's blast out, I hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never dies.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not Canada now, but I really think this is more of a psychic mental obvious gate power than any of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they face shift into the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, either way, it's a second power effectively, and that's because it's you can pick them up on mechanical stuff, but you just, yeah, it's like in last of us that the zombies are moving around and you're stuck, the zombies don't see you sense?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is a game fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the game sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the first one significantly better than the second one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't see the history, I think the gameplay is better than the second one, the story is the second one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perts, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: They amherts.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Eric.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: So by the time Corx joins a great crusade, as we said earlier, it'd be a century and a quarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Corx just discovered in 1922 of M30, the great crusade began in 798.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm not mistaken, the Corx Harrison's five years after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's not around for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as a result, though, kind of what we call the easy part of the conquest is over.
[SPEAKER_01]: The road trader fleets have basically mapped out as much the galaxies they can map out, so if the spots that you being blown up in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so all of the human colonies that were found that would have peacefully come over, the 13th Legion had already visited, and they'd already died.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's left is worlds that are resisting compliance and or those that accept it and then revolt right afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Korax is coming into the great crusade, a kind of a weird time, and this is going to test a lot of his actions and his morality.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this will be getting a lot of morally questionable
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting favorable treatment because he's the youngest, but he's also going into places that are giving the most glory because a lot of times it's clean up and fixing problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so one of the early ones that he gets tested on is Karanai.
[SPEAKER_01]: Karanai is a system that was a compliance mission taken on by the Ravenguard in the nightlords.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is going to go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the system is made up of a bunch of small satellites with may-high worlds on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They call it the thousand moons of Karanai, but doesn't mean there were a thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it's a, you know, terminology.
[SPEAKER_01]: The challenging Pyroforces had was this collection of moons, it was really vast and powerful, so if you tried it, attack it all at once, it could repel you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead, they decide, well, what if we just island hop?
[SPEAKER_01]: They just stole this again from World War II, the bottom World War II stuff comes up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, all right, because the kingdom of Karanai wasn't really a kingdom, it was more like a feudal set up, or each moon was its own thief them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Corex's goes screw it, started the left, and we just go all the way to the right, and it starts conquering them one at a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's bringing up, now let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a game of M and Night Lords, which is about the highlights of both of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's also a huge amount of imperial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't we, you got a bunch of guards there, too?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel bad for the guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't go great for the guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just saying huge force.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what they're doing is they're just basically trying because they're so stealthy no one knows they're there till they attacks they basically sneak up on a moon and then just hammer it and that moon can call for support but all the other moons around it go to but I might get there that battles over so whatever and it's just conquering them one after another after another until he gets to the moon called zenith three one two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nina 312, yeah, that just cracks me up because every time you have a problem, in a lot of these, you know, places that have been out of compliance for a long time, everything goes well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go, what the hell were they doing during the dark age of technology that you just strived because they always have.
[SPEAKER_00]: what the ship weapons and we're about to go into that because it's another one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: So on this moon from the to Brad's point from the goldnage or dark age of technology was the anima phage and anima phage there's more than one of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: These come up every so often.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a psychological weapon that just basically turns
[SPEAKER_01]: all people in the mindless beasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one on zenith was very powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So core axis, lesion, or attacking, and the archcompetroller, and I do love it's the archcompetroller, by the way, that makes me laugh every time I don't know why, unleashes this anima phage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has no effect on the estates, but the enemy troops and the imperial army, which they had brought 60,000 of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it basically turns everyone there to 28 days later style zombies, where they're just attacking everything in their fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: These aren't Pock's walkers, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hold on, I'm going to do more firefly stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're reverse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: you should watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's watched it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's four episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to watch all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: 13th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Continue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: One day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so while this is happening, the Ravenguard have to basically kill everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: The troops they came there with, the enemy troops because they're just mindless zombies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corex, though, discovers that the arch-comptroller escaped during this.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he used this weapon to give himself an escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Corex loses his mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's idea that this person would sacrifice his own people and others just to save himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Corex decides, I'm going to make this guy pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make this guy pay bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, tracks him down and the guy has moved to a, it's an outpost that's just revolving around the sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Correx, this is where Correx becomes a little bit dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sends his moratots onto the platform, but with very clear directions, they're to kill everyone, let's see our championship.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're to disable, I don't know if it was the engines or whatever, basically kept it from floating into the sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: then they blew up every single escape shuttle except for one and the one they all got to do in left so they basically destroyed all the escape shuttles and left this cop troller on this station by himself as it began a descending orbit into a sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Correx turns on the vox, doesn't really say anything, and it's listened to this guy as he's screaming, cursing at Correx, and then eventually pleading for his life and Correx listens until the stationery melts in the sun killing the controller.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, all right, that was fun, and goes back to the battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem of this is we're kind of a lesson learned for CoreX as he does this because he's just overwhelmed with rage.
[SPEAKER_01]: But while he did this, he'd effectively pulled the entire raven guard out of the conflict, which allowed for all of the other moons within here to refordify.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the nightlords have been there by the way, which is, we'll get to them more in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this then makes the rest of the conflict harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is another one of those, Conrad and him don't get along.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fun story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where they first really heavily turn on each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: During all this conflict, we've covered Conrad the past Conrad actually has a big issue with his legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Conrad discovers that on one of the planets, a bunch of nightlords were just torturing and killing people for just sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sport, it was absolutely no other reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the planet had surrendered.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were incompliance, they've been doing nothing wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because remember, the nightlords torture you before you become complied.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once you become compliant, like, okay, cool, they're on our team.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the Zerek, who were torturing post.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Conrad discovers that his legion is just hunting people and is going to yield for sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then he goes down there and personally kills all of the night learns the redoing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it goes, you know what, I don't want the other leaders to know about this because I kind of have a bad reputation already and then just decides to bomb where the entire city is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that Hanrad does an orbital bombardment of a city.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correx sees this and goes, hey, what's going on there, assuming initially that there's a reason behind it, that, oh, there must be a basically, why did you kill the civilians?
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he gets there, looks around and goes, oh, you're an asshole.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the two of them get into it, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're about to come to blows until one of Conrad's main sergeants can visit her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's similar to the walk away in Core X does, but they don't like each other very much after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's him kind of learning maybe control my anger.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next one he's less than he has to learn is more about the imperium itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the Indra soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this campaign a lot because it has one of my favorite Zeno's in it, The Crave.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: Great crusade is nearing its completion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the worlds are now not in complied or the outer edge of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So interestingly enough, up in a segment of obscureists, they were into a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rogue traders find this section of, basically a system that used to be human colonists.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's nothing there now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just a giant spire of death.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a structure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's miles thick spanning from the surface going up into space above it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's because the crave got there and the crave are cool as hell if you like dnd vampires because that's what they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are really powerful and really crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also they're buildings in d one vampires.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is how they close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just rip this straight out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're tall or space screen big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not something to even bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: have bat wings, a bat face, and consume the soul's and energy of human beings to power themselves up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they make these Gothic wild structures.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the crave are horrified.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Imperium, what's interesting about this, knows about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The crave, by the way, is the most mentioned, predate the Eldar.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been part in the galaxy forever, and no one's
[SPEAKER_01]: They get there, and Correx has a moral dilemma, because the Imperium knows very much so about the Craves.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like an LV-426 situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of his advisors tell him, look, the Crave, they've killed these people effectively already, and the Crave knows, back up literally, not until he fucking slaved.
[SPEAKER_00]: They basically made the people thralls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that, yeah, it's what happens is,
[SPEAKER_01]: They're telling Corex, look, we need to release a nerve agent into this place, kill everybody, and then we'll come colonize it later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Corex disagrees because he wants to save the people there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's going to lead from the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't bring the fairy on cohort with them, which is the poor regiment that got assigned to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys, you'd go through some rough stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sucks because you think about this boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like your imperial, this is imperial armies, but your imperial army regiment, and you're assigned to the most stealthy of all the space marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not stealthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Ravenguard do sell me everyone's books on hey, who just slapped me and the fairing colors are just standing Go with you're the one who hit me like it wasn't me, but all right, let's go and they just get Lapt over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, while the Ravenguard was sitting the shadows going man that that was right in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: That probably hurt
[SPEAKER_00]: I like a lot of crap decisions, but trying to save these people was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what they do is deploy and secrecy and start making their way through the spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: They hit this dead center the fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: And along the way, they discover a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: First off,
[SPEAKER_01]: The human populations are basically cattle.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all kept in pens and the crave when they awake and just come and feed on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything they feed on them, they get bigger and stronger by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these are giant crates.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've had control this area for probably millennia if not more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, the Ravenguard get to what they're looking for, which is because the crave are knock off vampire.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all asleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all sleep in a special, like it's not a casket, but it might just be it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have to kill them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Correx here does bring in something special.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're called the deliverers, which are his version of just staring.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are terminators that do work.
[SPEAKER_01]: serious work, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not, but they are, by the way, not stealthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only part of his entire region that's not stealthy when the deliverers come in, you're aware of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably closest to the red brethren from the Carcardons.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because of their sneakiness, they were able to catch the grave kind of off guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: They hit them, they bring in the deliverers, and they're just wrecking the grave.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually only a couple hours of firefight before
[SPEAKER_01]: and the population is free.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Correx, hold, hold, please, population freed, huge asterious one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The population was freed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aren't two is where this gets on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, also, even though they were freed, these were the,
[SPEAKER_00]: Sheenie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, man, this guy's been feeding on me and my soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got about 10% soul left and I'm pretty messed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were I'm doing air quotes right now freed even without this next unbelievably sucky part that happened because after words Corex is like go tea.
[SPEAKER_00]: We freed everybody and the ad makes showed up with oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are all corrupted.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't be trusted
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just make every single person a servitor, which is, I think, wildly worse than death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the irony is that Corex could have deployed a nerve agent and killed all of them in an instant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, most of them are gonna live for thousands upon thousands of years as a servitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: which sucks like so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we do get a happier story after this, which is Esteban part one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Esteban part one is a good story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: The compliance of Esteban.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part two is not ideal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part one is just fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into part one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part one, so Esteban was a massive system, multiple worlds, and they had thrived through the dark age of technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so because of that, it was labeled as need to be brought into compliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could not just be destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: These people had to come over.
[SPEAKER_01]: What no one knew was that they were also sleneshwars of worshippers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a hardcore sleneshwarship, but they were sleneshwarshipers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they meet the first kind of people of the great crusade, they're told about the imperial truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all were like, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is the same as Colchis, which is where Laura comes from, super hardcore religious group who were really happy worshiping the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Colchis had a primar on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they kind of had to join the imperial.
[SPEAKER_01]: These ones are like, it's not numb, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say, no, at day by the way, because they survived the dark age of technology, this is not a backwards plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: The issue is that they need these plants to come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look around and they say, all right, Ravenguard, you bring us into compliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because nothing is world leaders, not going to use nightlords, not going to use imperial fists, iron wars, or space wolves, people who are going to wreck the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no one who's on team burn it all down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's no Vulcan either because he probably would have slaughtered this civilians.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god one time one time
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Corax, they go to him and say, we need you to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring these guys in the compliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense for this to go to the Ravenguard because they're very good at just cutting the head off the snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Corax though does make a little bit of a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He assumes that the people of the Esteban want to join the imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the biggest thing that's holding them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's holding them back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Core Access Legion do what they do best.
[SPEAKER_01]: They sneak into the system undetected, not saying much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they launch this massive on-slot on the seats of power on Westfahn.
[SPEAKER_01]: And initially it goes great.
[SPEAKER_01]: They very quickly overwhelm these guys, killed the heads of the military and the government, all the infrastructure is gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they kind of do that with the whole Bill Greedus as liberators, they did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the people went screw you in the counterattack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were even going, they were able to retreat.
[SPEAKER_01]: This surprised correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was expecting people to be like, OK, leaders are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's a new plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this goes back to what we discussed last week, where the emperor kind of likes lessons being learned by his primarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the lesson again for corex is sometimes you have to kill a lot of innocence to save even more innocence.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the greater good, again, of hot fuzz, not the important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hot fuzz, greater good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very important distinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corax realizes that he needs to really kind of beat these guys in the submission.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what he does is he's able to use a bunch of faint syntactics to get the military to kind of centralize in one main area.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is his first attempt.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the Red Arthur Valley.
[SPEAKER_01]: And within the Red Arthur Valley, most of the military, honest fun, was
[SPEAKER_01]: like congregating to fight back against the Ravenguard and then he orbital bombards out there into oblivion and they're all dead and he basically removes the military strength of this fun three but again the resistance continues.
[SPEAKER_01]: He cannot get them to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Korra slept with only one choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just bombs the capital city.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full show of power and he comes in and devastates kills millions with an orbital bombardment.
[SPEAKER_01]: at which point the deal of this fun go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, message received.
[SPEAKER_01]: Message received.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're good now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go ahead and join this imperial compliance thing because we see if we don't, it's going to get a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun story, though, for corrects to learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about a very odd thing next.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we're getting closer and closer, to what's going to come to heresy, the warrior lodges are growing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we've covered the warrior lodges and talked about them a while, Brad thinks they're a good idea despite not being able to point to any reason why they were totally good idea, they got corrupted.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were not, they were a terrible idea from the onset.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason no military in the history of militaries has ever done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: you don't do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're designed for in-support nation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just call them in subordination logic.
[SPEAKER_01]: King Arthur had it with his round table of equal nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was he real?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sonic the Hedgehog probably had it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so we got.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sonic proudly made it work also, no, it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so the warrior lodges for those who don't know these were things created by the Luna Wolves, but more pushed by Arabist and the world bears.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Brad thinks that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is that I think that was the good idea, Janet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's place where any soldier could speak their mind as equals and say what was going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not, it's a terrible idea because what happens is it's a place for a bunch of soldiers to complain and speak to their captains and leadership as an equal and it all it does is format in subordination.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inside, that's why with you, you don't do these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a chatter aide because I've read the horse heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly the whole reading the books thing where you're like, oh, that's how that ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm on kind of a factual journey here of how this is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I looked at it in something wildly different.
[SPEAKER_01]: You read the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then what?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think others could work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it failed miserably, horribly, terribly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so within these warrior lodges, what happens is they become an insubordination machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a place that ends up happening is members of legions complain about their leadership to other legions.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing if the warrior lodges were within a legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will give you that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was, if the warrior lodges of Ravenguard were only Ravenguard, it would make some sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is the Ravenguard members, the warrior lodge will sit with members of the word of horses.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you're getting cross complaints.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the real reason behind these things was so that Arabists could figure out who was going more loyal to Horace and who wouldn't be to help them start picking their legionnaires for their future revolution.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's such a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Within the Legion, honestly, I could see the Ultramarine's doing this in it being fine because it's the Ultramarine's and how to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same with the Space Wolves could have this.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of Legion's could have this, but it has to be centralized within your Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so...
[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be an issue for Corex because a lot of the original 19th Legion members from Terra all joined the warrior watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love these warrior watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are people who they don't come from deliverance.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are people who are much more interested in conquest, power, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the backstory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're going to get to Gate 42.
[SPEAKER_01]: Acum soath those cluster, so it's a group of worlds that was brought into compliance by Horus in the early days of the Great Crusade, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the absence of Horus, the Xenorace of parasites that grow inside of your own eye, gross, gross, you know, it would be good for that bread, it wouldn't appear jobs in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like how they're described because they start controlling stuff with the alien gestalt cabal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the entire system goes into the rebellion and Horace loses his mind and is like, no, I am not having one of his Horace's and corrupt it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not having one of my biggest achievements.
[SPEAKER_01]: go the way of the dodo, and so he orders everyone, come with me, we'll get them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he brings a raven guard, the iron warriors, and the space wolves with his Luna wolves to go and take back the system.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do the initial battles are great.
[SPEAKER_01]: They conquer a ton of stuff on the outside and start moving their way towards a centralized portion.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when they get to the central and Horace has a final attack plan, it's a pretty well fortified era.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what he wants to do is he's like, hey, we're gonna basically on three, we're all gonna attack, but from different sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: So North East, South and West.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the corrects took offense to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, because Correx is looking to go, hey, like, I'm the sneaky chapter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can just go and I can set you guys up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Horace like, no, you're going to do a full frontal assault into a well-defended area.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Horace like, yeah, why would you put a rubble in the background going, coward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole thing gets going.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet to Brad's point, literally, Petra Robo starts just shit talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all see your afraid of battle, you're a week, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Correx doesn't care for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Lehman rust has to get involved and be like, look, Horace is in charge, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is after he become the warmoster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just do what he says.
[SPEAKER_01]: and this ends up working out really well for the Raven Garry in a weird way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Correx, by the way, does not agree with this planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as he gets back up, it starts to come basically playing to his legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, yeah, apparently we're going to do some stupid, full frontal assault, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A bunch of the 19th legion members from Terra start going, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: but that sounds like an awesome idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just as good as a warrior as he's a stupid loona wolves.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the default.
[SPEAKER_00]: They fall into clearing his legion of people that would have fallen a chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: He takes basically everyone who is in the warrior launches and just puts them on the front line goes, you guys said you want to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all die.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get some watered, like 30, 40,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just get slaughtered.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole thing is terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: He loses his guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even know it, but he lost anybody they could have left your ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the timing of this is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Core access, so that they become at this point, one of the smallest legions.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go down below 80,000 at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but all the problem guys are gone, so that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's one more very fun story we have to get to.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I will admit it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate why do you hate the bite so much because you're supposed to be a sneaky legion and now your face is a foot longer as opposed to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just see them banging a beak on things while they're trying to sneak around.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But people love beaks, people buy beaks and masks, so what do they do?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I can see why you think they look cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also building an entire army right now with Mark II armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever, I'm my own me.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we're getting into the latter part of the Great Crusade, the Mechanicum is always trying to improve rapidly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've been on the Mark IV armor for a while, but the Mechanicum didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their viewpoint was this Mark IV armor is good, but we want to make something better.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first change they make is what if we put Beaks on the helmets?
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea why, don't care and move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next one they wanted to do though was they wanted to actually lighten the armor up their idea which was not popular by the way, but their idea that was clever their idea was basically look
[SPEAKER_01]: The stories are killing machines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we slowing them down?
[SPEAKER_01]: If we speed them up, they become more lethal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a more lethal of star days is probably more valuable than a more sturdy ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like in modern 40K tabletop, jukari versus a custodist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I played jukari.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea was these guys will make them fast, they'll kill every.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will the mark five out and to breath point everyone hates it, Vulcan and Petarabha specifically are like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on that putting this crap on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the kind of come stand the ground, they say, no, we know we're doing, this is good armor and you should use it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after a lot of argument that is side, we'll do a test to prove its point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Petra Robo kind of undermines everyone here, but it's not mattering, but we'll skip that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea, Petra Robo's ideas, we'll tell you what.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give it to the Ravenguard and let them go do some campaign in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because his idea was basically the Ravenguard will do this, they'll fail, and as they fail, they'll call for support, and those of us in the regular armor will show up and save them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, I'm in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they picks even better target.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know what, and go to the Scalad sector.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Scalad sector, it's an L-dark section.
[SPEAKER_01]: So L-dark this point are a huge problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably one of the biggest positive space Marines, because the L-dark are too quick for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get to that when they're going to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're weaponry's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: because the L-D-R were more lethal in this space Marines were.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're even guarding going to go up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to run the problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to want you to have you losses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to call for support.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go in there and the mechanic will shut the hell up.
[SPEAKER_01]: except the complete opposite happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: The raven guard are now lighter, they're faster, and they start out striking and fading the elder.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also need to think that they also the elder were completely unprepared for it, because they haven't had anybody that's moved like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the elder are used to sponsoring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elder learn, and they were like, okay, these guys are show up, you know, bring in the shining spears.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now all of a sudden, the super sneaky ones are even quicker, and they start wrecking the elder, wrecking the elder so badly that the elder were treat complete systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal of this was simply can the we have in guard defeat the elder in some battles, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that, if they do that, then the armor is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ravenguard don't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were a conquer the entire sector in this new armor, at which point the mechanic of him just goes, so I'll put us up in the production now, right guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: And poor Pettarabo and Rusco, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, not really matters though, because as this happens, and we get our stupid beaks and all this stuff,
[SPEAKER_01]: The Imperial Commander Vardis Prof, who is the ruler of the Istvon systems, has rebelled.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was using, so remember that before they were slenash worshippers, well he had his war singers who were psychers.
[SPEAKER_01]: He killed all the Imperial defenders there and turned the system trader.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Emperor discovers this, and immediately puts a call to Horace,
[SPEAKER_01]: saying, get over to East Vaughan, which isn't ill-attized, because he was like two hours through late on this call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Porter is just came back from the corrupt damage by the knurgle, from the inside the logic and stamp of the knurgle sword.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's, Horace has just given himself over the chaos and gets the call saying, hey, go to this system because there's chaos there and go to destroy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Horace says,
[SPEAKER_01]: on my way dad no problem there will be absolutely no issues whatsoever here yep and with that we're going to break because next week we're going to get into the horse heresy and the after effects on a raven guard co-rex losing his whole legion
[SPEAKER_01]: a couple times actually and kind of Correx and leaving and then what's the Ravenguard have gotten up to since then I enjoy this whole part of Correx is next bit that they do because Ravenguard and the Horace Heresy become kind of a cool narrative trick we'll talk about that next week but we want to stop there because the next bit's going to go pretty hard and fast and go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, till then, John Barzati, Brad Chester, this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.