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[SPEAKER_01]: It's your old pal, Mike Spears, join alongside your other host case.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like case we are kind of in a way getting back into the swing of things after the last few weeks and we have a cork in to talk about, but in and not a lot of drama for once.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think the contents of this podcast will judge whether or not there are some drama to go about because we are in the midst of a very interesting stretch in this company, you know, I continue to be amazed at where we were feeling coming out of the January cork in the signs of concern as we left February, especially that cork and show under the rest of the month.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then as we got in a march, what felt like really one of the weaker months that I've seen from the company and quite some time where
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... the cork and show was incredibly weak in the spot shows that may take all around word exactly anything to write home about i did not love the sapper card on paper as i said here continuing a type of way at the written review for this show and of course is worth speaking here i am still not entirely sure how i felt about some of the things on this show but it is nevertheless i think a very interesting point in this promotion history and i think we're we're living that in real time and i i i find that to be very interesting
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like that even though the card on paper was not necessarily the most appealing, and especially with like a Gajadokro versus Gajadokro dreamgate title match,
[SPEAKER_01]: and then really your next thing is the a 10th anniversary match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what if those two things kind of as the cornerstones, I had a feeling going into this show that not that there was going to basically be a let's blow up the promotion and the unit landscape and let's go see.
[SPEAKER_01]: where things are going to go, especially as it relates to Golden Coliseum and with Dio's departure and like the situation with some of the units there, I thought it was kind of interesting the way that they kind of and I think that a lot of it goes towards the cage match it's going to be happening at Golden Coliseum and using this show and in a lot of ways this is a
[SPEAKER_01]: a go-home cork and four that show there's going to be the mania weekend stuff coming up and then there's a there's a across-fukuoka and Kobe sambal hall but really the the the meat of the card has been put together and out there at this point that having the the the re kind of jiggering of the cage match with a big Boschimizu clearly out for with a severe knee injury and then
[SPEAKER_01]: out for the year with that and looking in and really like in pain and also like you could tell that like it they came out and the post match angle coming out of this cork and after the dream gate match and he looked like he was holding back tears too so like it was a very
[SPEAKER_01]: tough kind of appearance for him, but he was clearly going to be out of the cage a bunch of changes.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're throwing a lot of things out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's stop for one second.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start at the top here.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you make of the attendance for this show?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's another show where they barely clear a thousand people in cork and hall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 1088, like, given the things that are drawing into this building, it feels like to me that there's the promotions that will draw on cork into a certain level, and then the promotions that will sell out cork in right now, like no level sell out cork at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And New Japan, you know, it's situational, but New Japan, like, ends up with like about a thousand or so like this and it and it's not to somewhere to drag and get to start them is up and down with their corkans and especially like that there are some of the some ones that I've seen that have had like this around this kind of attendance as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I just kind of wonder if there is a ceiling for dragon gate in Tokyo or at least in this building, right now, because I feel like the last three shows have been about at this attendance level, if not a little bit higher or lower give or take.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very tricky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the January showed it as well as it did, but I think back to I feel like this shift happened somewhere around 2024 when they really started to load up some of these cork and shows with either age remgate match or multiple title matches far more often than I think they ever have in their history, you know, certainly more
[SPEAKER_03]: than they did in the days of Torrey Mon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I can obviously remember UW-A-World Trio's matches, but I'm off the top my head struggling to think of if they ever did a, when the main single title was the Mitsido Kupro British Commonwealth title, I'm trying to think if there's ever one of those matches in court, and I'm sure there was, but it's not coming to mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then once they shifted to the UDG belt, there were
[SPEAKER_03]: There are a few title matches there in Corkham, but not many.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as you go throughout their history, you know, I always found the impressive thing about Drain Gate to be that they've drawn so well on this building by giving away so little.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was a point in time where a main event twin gate-mash in Corkham felt like a monstrous dealer, a main event triangle gate-mash in Corkham felt like a monstrous deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, the dream gate matches throughout that sell-out stretch.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you want to look at 2012 to 2018, I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: You would have some of your lower level Schema opponents, you know, Schema versus Kinesh happening in this building.
[SPEAKER_03]: You went through the stretch of Schingo versus Yamato, Yamato versus Saito, Yamato versus Yoshino.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after that, you know, there's a Rick and Shaversu Han, Asian match in there, BB Hulk, I think, definitive title one time in Cork, and officially, and then had that, that handicap match, also where the belt would vacant after that match.
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, throughout the time when they were packing 1850 into the building with advanced sellouts more often than not
[SPEAKER_03]: The point that I think may drink any stronger promotion and say the bigger houses that no one would do at that time or the bigger houses that all Japan are even DDT would do at the time is you would look at the Draingate cards and it wouldn't be title matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be storyline progression and multi-man matches and that seemed to change a few years ago when I thought when that change occurred, oh, they would go back to selling the maximum of a lot of tickets, whether that be 1400 or 1500, whatever that capacity would be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just hasn't happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I find that to be very strange that I don't really know why that is or what the explanation behind that is, other than that these guys aren't over to the degree that they need to be, but even for a weak dreamgate match, which we'll talk about, you know, the bill to it being weak as have been most of the coco to dreamgate matches up to this point, a weak build for a dreamgate match, but a dreamgate match done the less in a class of 2016 tag match that to me was the real draw of this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to be at this number, you know, it's sort of like we would talk about in COVID times, where sometimes you and I would grind our teeth over, you know, a company that did a, you know, 1,000 in the building compared to 800, but when your margins are this thin, I feel like those 200 people really matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: And
[SPEAKER_03]: Even as we shift in this post-COVID, Japanese wrestling economy, and we try to make sense of what is some one of the new normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thousand fans in cork and for a dream game, actually it's just a very bad look to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think also like the way that they treat the building changed a lot when they, with the schedule changes in Osaka, not necessarily like getting into the big building for the last few years, and then the situation that go away
[SPEAKER_01]: the the fact that last year there was that long stretch that cork and was the biggest building that they were that they were booking and so that you would have to have programs lead to like the big match being in cork and like basically up until like that double header in Osaka felt like everything was devoted around maximizing cork and also the the fact that now that there is like yes this
[SPEAKER_01]: in the building, yes, this was the 10th anniversary match there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if there is like emphasis fatigue in a way and then similarly like it's... Oh wait, what do you mean by emphasis fatigue?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like the this is a building that they essentially would have to treat as like the number one building when they would normally in past years wouldn't have last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like things that were like it felt like every month we're getting title matches and and if not one multiple from that stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: at least to me last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if that kind of booking and then going back to this one being outside the Dringgate match, much more of a storytelling kind of show, there that there could be a little bit of like an elasticity to it if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also look like
[SPEAKER_01]: optics aren't good with dragon gate right now and optics haven't been good and I've been thinking that for a while that all of the kind of gossip and bad press that it hurts at the box office at a certain level and I feel like that there was like an odd kind of tenor to the show and a certain kind of way and I could see how that's not necessarily appealing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when the OW Eastwood happened in 2018, and that still has, you know, it's just just seismically different category than the dragon diet of paratroopers, but when the OW Eastwood happened, it was right before the King of Gate Corp and show in May.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, I won't know if this company would benefit going back to King of Gate being in May, or maybe Ray Day, Pray Hospital being in May.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like we're due for a tournament here that we're not getting, and it feels like there's a void that that could very easily fill, and they're making a very odd decision
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that show began with all the game gate competitors coming out to the ring and Yamato doing as he's now done on Twitter so many times with this being in front of a Corcorcan Hall crowd, you know, doing a rally cry promo, doing a this is drag, you know, this is going to be our home.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going anywhere type promo.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not that they needed to do that for Dragon Diaz departure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would have been actually quite odd and maybe concerning had they done something similar with a very obvious directed promo towards the situation without directly referencing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder, and this is one of the real cruxes of Drangethus here, is there so much heat, and there are so many shows with unhappy endings, and there's so much Gajadokuro, I wonder if it was a mistake to maybe have a show that had this level of heaviness, and I, I don't know what exactly I would have altered.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to knock a versus junior had that taken place, you know, junior got pulled off the show, due to an injury.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would have been a very healthy way to start this show in a way that would have maybe eased my nerves about the future and what it holds for Dragon Gate.
[SPEAKER_03]: But do you find it all odd that they booked the show they did coming off of the diet departure and some real heat on the company seemingly for the first time in a while?
[SPEAKER_01]: In some ways feels like, okay, dragon gate kind of going to what they would be doing at this time and turning up the heat a little bit more like let's be honest at this point in the calendar year this is this April cork and is the
[SPEAKER_01]: In a lot of the way, in a lot of times, I feel like we would probably go back and I am just doing this off my memory, so if someone was to go and say, well, you're probably not on off on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: get the, let's do the last shuffling of the chairs before we get to the cage match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then by the end of Corrican, you always generally would have like, this is the IG cage match.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, we've raised the stakes to like this kind of level.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I think there's a through line to aid to this cork in from Monday and those previous years go home to what was dead or alive, but now I'm just going to refer to as the IG Big Show and the cage match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like there was a commonality there, but there also was a
[SPEAKER_01]: It a good bit of the show that was built towards just that one kind of payoff in that match in the main event and building up to that one main event match because essentially a lot of this card was already made and yes you do have like the twin the the four way tag match that builds up both the twin gate and the all Asia.
[SPEAKER_01]: tag but UT has a really bad back injury that he's been off shows and will be off shows for the next three weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Tanaka is even more a drift not just for the fact that Mochizuki Jr. wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing he could do to build up his match going up against the hometown guy in Agoya.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that that's a little bit unmoving.
[SPEAKER_01]: A triangle gate match was made kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: Also kind of and in some kinds of ways makes it again feels like something that would happen on this show that didn't necessarily happen in time and made like that title situation feel a little bit on a moored when really like.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't already know the triangle gate matches made case, you would come out of the show and you'd be like, well, Gucci basically put paradox into their place now that there's no direct challenge here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder who is going to face the triangle that face them for the triangle gate and you'd find out later on that it's the Kashi Mondei Ryu in Koji Iwo Modo.
[SPEAKER_01]: coming in for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the fact that that wasn't in front of the audience hurts a little bit and makes it feel a bit more just more to or dislike more to.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll table my thoughts on the triangle game match for later.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm not amused by what Dragon did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of thoughts, but I don't want to get into them right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But but you get what I'm saying about like the the the fact that like you could only do cage match stuff on this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: made this a field of it, but you're saying, but you could have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come a and retains assuming you coast good do something far more interesting than what they did you could not force me to watch twenty twenty six Ginkie or Gucci and a high leverage position you could not book the triangle gate mash that you did and literally do anything else and I do think the one positive away from the cage match stuff here is that
[SPEAKER_03]: When we went back, so God, when was it?
[SPEAKER_03]: We were, it was, well, I guess it was last month and we were talking about Shima and Magnum and we were going back and watching some of those Shima matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, maybe those two months ago, but I made the point about team veteran returns and how I got such a kick out of that Millennials feud and how it felt like we were really wasting
[SPEAKER_03]: paradox by just having paradox existing and there's still a lot of things that I would like to tweak about that unit I do think we have now officially developed a Gucci versus Yamato feud that really works and that makes me feel hopeful about the future and I think the Gucci presentation has just been perfect I would not change any of that but it is sort of a deal where yes even with all the injuries and even with a really thin roster right now ultimately.
[SPEAKER_03]: You book this shit and so you you have to figure out a way to have an eight match core can show that has things going on outside of just the one angle for the upcoming big shell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I think dragon at their best would figure out a way to have other things going on than what they had going on on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like that, and also in like it's like the same way, just big picture wise, you have the cage match stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dream gate thing kind of feels like it happens just so it's like we made a dream gate match.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the dream gate match happened and that that kind of just was like it's own kind of thing that happened with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I
[SPEAKER_03]: I get the impression that was supposed to be coco to versus Shimazoo, which had it been, I think, the match would have been a little bit hotter, I think, or intrigue would have been a little bit higher.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is one of those deals where you do have to roll with the punches on that one in the same way that, you know, they announced UT versus Tanaka rather early mind you for a big show and then as soon as they announced it, UT gets hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand those are the cards that are selling that sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as you were saying,
[SPEAKER_01]: But like you have so like the because the fact that Schemez is not involved in like directly like into like the cage match kind of things this dream gate match is a little on the island and I as much as good as the class of 2016 10th anniversary tag match was
[SPEAKER_01]: It did feel like at a certain way, like they did it so that they could have done it and then everyone's kind of moving on at like right afterwards and it and in some way did not feel like it had the level of
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I want to say importance afterwards, case, but like after like sitting, sitting down the match and sitting down with the show and going through it, I, that there's a part of me that goes like, I don't know if, like, yes, if you were just doing this being like the four guys involved in this kind of match, like this is how you would kind of do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm left with a little bit of longing coming out of that match and then you know, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Heo and Yoshioka, you two guys suck, Ben, you're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of here and it's like, oh, why were we even devoting time to this in a way, like other than having a great match?
[SPEAKER_01]: And those were the kind of things that I don't feel like Dragon Gate had the issue of six, seven years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think if that class of 2016 match happens 10 years ago, and it's a tag match celebrating the class of 2006, and let's say it's still those four guys, we have a time machine to move everything back 10 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's any question that the presentation of that match would have been far grander and it would have felt like a really big deal and the pageantry just would have been at a level even in a cork and setting that would have made this feel really monumental and I think Jay did all that he could on commentary to try to remind people that you've gone lately.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got your original class of Shingo Hulktozawa and you know, technically
[SPEAKER_03]: The only argument you could be made that could be made with a drinky proper guys is that class in comparison to 2016 and again, the more that I said and think about it, I really think.
[SPEAKER_03]: really rival Schema Magnum Drankyad Fuji Sua in a way that I'm sure I'm not sure a lot of people are necessarily ready to have that conversation or want to have that conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: They might laugh at the idea of it, but I really think that class of 2016 is really close to that original class.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think you got that just from not to sound like a like a uso fan, but I don't think you got that from the entrances alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think those, if you had a tag match
[SPEAKER_03]: 2007, let's say, Sua sticks around and you're doing shaman Fuji versus Sua and dragon kid, they're going to make that match feel monumental at a 2007, Dranggy Quarkins show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this match just lacked all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not like a thing that I think you like can immediately put the finger on the wrestlers themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really put it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess you can't put it on the promotion itself to be fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to like, yeah, I think that's exactly what you have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like it felt going in and especially with the way it was built up like the one like take away I had last week was like damn could they be finally like teasing the long hurting heo fans and maybe like teasing us with the idea of maybe heo is going to go on a run here and get a dream gay challenge and
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it just kind of was calm Ushioca, Yuki Oshioca comes out there, he doesn't really engage much in the reindeer games that Shune and Ben are willing to kind of flash back to and then he wins the match with the high five flow and we just kind of move on and it's like on to the next one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Indeed, I don't understand where I was shooting Skywalk or maybe we'll get some clarity after Golden Coliseum.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with the Dreamgate match.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fall out there and then we'll work our way back down the card.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for the open the Dreamgate championship set up at the Gajad Dokeuro Produce.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd like to this title defense case a good deal, but it did definitely in some ways does kind of like beg the question of this was a match where Madoka Kakura essentially was on the back foot and was selling his hip throughout the match and it was kind of kind of picking away and getting the advantage in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it makes me kind of wonder like why has no one else in these title matches made that an aspect of Kakuta to kind of take down and grind out because I felt like that that made this match a lot more interesting than most of Madoka Kakuta's title defenses.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remain fascinated by the way that they have booked this Kakuta rain and which he has only wrestled heavy weights for this title, you know, it was, let me see if I can remember in order it was
[SPEAKER_03]: and then Yoshioca and now Kai.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the points I made when Dia was around was I was like, God, I really wish we could get a cocoo versus Dia badge because I think they're chemistry is so strong.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Kakucha does his best work against guys that are much smaller than him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have only paired him up with the guys on the roster that are of his size.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I find that to be bizarre amongst the other ways that Kakucha has been presented over the course of the last nine months or so that I just inherently disagree with.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, I uh, I have bad news for the haters and losers of the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kai.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kai was just phenomenal in this match.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kai's dream gate history just for those that don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Final gate 2021, it gets you about a three and three quarter stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Truth gate 2022 against the Kashi Yoshida, not his fault two and three quarter stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: She and B.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gain,
[SPEAKER_03]: Dead or alive, 2022, 4 and 3 quarter stars versus Asumia, Costa, one of the best matches in the history of the open-the-dream gay championship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shoji Kondo, hopeful gate, July, 2022, this was in root to being a notebook match before Dragon Gate booked one of the worst angles in the history of the company to disrupt the finish, and then Kobe World 2022, night two, four stars versus Yukio Chioca.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's delivered repeatedly in the dream gauge scenario.
[SPEAKER_03]: This match I would have it for in a corner, and I would have it in a corner, not because of anything but Doka Kuku to dead, but because I thought Kai was absolutely phenomenal in this match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was foreflat on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one aspect I'll say, like, there was a lot of godja dockero getting toward getting involved towards it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only time that I really kind of enjoyed it when they're like, hey, someone's calling for a chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're throwing the chairs into the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then throwing the hands up like the box attack and powder attacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, sorry, powder drink attacks towards the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going like, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: and menore, I get kind of involved with that, and that did take it down a little bit for me with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Kai just like absolutely picking him apart going high on the Mudo as I'm just going for the hip attack cell.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does a big drag and screw on the apron.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that Kakura gets back into it is Kai who has popped his top off in celebration and seeing his chest and realizing, oh, I can really make massive Kai's chest and giving probably some of the most devastatingly loud like chops that I feel like I had heard in a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that that was Kakura's offense for,
[SPEAKER_01]: a good portion of this match going towards the closing stretch where he kind of had to power through his hip and after eating like an absolute beating of like a mediocre impact Kai from the top rope onto chairs doing a rolling layer after two shining wizards and finally being able to kind of persever and do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kai dragged this match out Kakura and I think this is
[SPEAKER_01]: either this or the Johnny Valeta matches are the my favorite matches of this dream gay run, but but almost all this is it's all me saying Kai was great and broke Kakueta to that kind of match.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's the strange thing about this kukuta rain is that it it almost mirrors say.
[SPEAKER_03]: the basketball career of Carl Malone where if you look at Malone's box scores and you look at the way that his stats look on the back of a basketball card you would go wow this is this is one of the great players in NBA history we should we should honor Carl Malone far more than we actually do as a basketball player and the cococha thing it's like well you know i had the bin matches a notebook match and the valeta match was really good and
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, when you think about it a lot of these dream game matches have gotten to four stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, this is a sum of match in there too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew I was forgetting one of those bins of sum of a lot of, you know, the bin match was a notebook match.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sum of match was a notebook match.
[SPEAKER_03]: The voletta match was really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he and Yoshi Oak have great chemistry with one another, but, you know, they tried really hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when you look at it just from a star rating perspective, especially when you factor in this Kai match, you're like, oh, well, this is
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a pretty good dreamgate reign, you know, I would take this if it was a Yamato Ron or a Shun Ron, I think we'd be in business, but all of these Kukuta matches with the exception of the Valeta match, which had nothing to do with Kukuta whatsoever, all of these matches have just had such horrific build and they've had to overcome so much in the work of the
[SPEAKER_03]: even slightly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you go back and really analyze the performances and October, we were talking about how great Ben was and November, we were talking about how great Sistuma was and December, we were talking about how great Valeta was.
[SPEAKER_03]: You and I really like the closing stretch in the effort that Yoshiyoka was putting it in a February.
[SPEAKER_03]: So
[SPEAKER_03]: Even when you get to these great matches, he's so clearly not a great champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as this rain goes along, and I continue to be baffled by the fact that it existed beyond Udo's trace in February, perhaps Shimazu was supposed to win the Dreamgate belt here.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would not surprise me if one day that was revealed to be the plan here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they kept him on in February when they thought they were going to have Shimazu at this point in the calendar year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, this is
[SPEAKER_03]: This is entirely a Kai match.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Kai, I thought was brilliantly charismatic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought his flash pins were excellent.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was busting out some of the better dragon screws and all of wrestling.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have some issues with the final few minutes of the match in just the way that it was laid out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that sort of falls into a stylistic thing where they just feared into a territory that I don't really like.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Kai on the whole, I thought, was great in this match.
[SPEAKER_03]: And once again, I thought Kukuta was just kind of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I have to say that at credit to Kakuta, I did appreciate the way he kind of sold the hip after the amount of work that Kai put in on him with it, but it did kind of at a certain point it was like, oh, should the hip attacks really be.
[SPEAKER_01]: She should he really be going with the hip attacks and he does like the over-the-shoulder or the over-the-fi pile driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, wouldn't that like be out of the repertoire with the amount of work that Kai has done?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of like a hit miss for me with him for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's just the way that it is with with Kukuta.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I personally
[SPEAKER_03]: did not like that stretch where they did the mediocre impact off the middle rope on the pile of chairs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked that they sold that move as much as they did, but I just I inherently am going to push back on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kai never goes for a pinfall attempt after that move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, he had to layer it and then a thunder fire bomb and that gets a kick out and then the mediocre impact with no chairs and not for the middle rope and that gets a kick out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just to be in that spot where you do a big spot with the weapons, there's no kick out from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you start going back to regular moves that don't work as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, for some reason, I was really hung up on that as we went into the closing stretch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like the dueling headbutts spots they were doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was really clever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought those looked really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you start veering into some gosh, I don't grow stuff, which,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, now, I didn't particularly like although I do think menorah, menorah had a very good show.
[SPEAKER_03]: menorah blowing the water, spinning the water into Kukutsu's face, which led to a Gado Skate Clutch attempt to Kukutsu rolled through, hit a hip attack.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then from there, Kai pop back up eight a second hip attack and then we had Kuku just finishing stretch which puts us back at four in a corner for me because again, I thought that was really well done, but it was it was a Kai performance in the same way that I think some of the other great dream game matches that he's been involved with have very much been let on by Kai.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm with you on that and then we get into the post match, which was the kind of the summation of the cage match build.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to bounce us back to Kota Manora and Yoshi Gikato versus Amarei.
[SPEAKER_01]: and LCLO happening earlier on this on the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was, uh, um, uh, Patra jumping the entrance and brawling it all throughout an immediate DQ with a cookie sheet attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: It continues to break down.
[SPEAKER_01]: How Marry cuts out probably the largest hunk of chair I've ever ever ever seen in a hair match build.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was a distressing amount of hair that he just locked off with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: big giant pull apart, uh, Rio Saito stands around for a little bit and they pull apart a couple more times than Rio Saito finally does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he announces that the two of them are now into the cage match.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, going into the main event, we knew that the cage match had six people in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hamara, Cielo, Shun's guy walker, Kotomanora, Yoshiki Kato, and Big Boschim Azou.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, with that all in
[SPEAKER_01]: jumping back to the main event post match, uh, uh, basically the gotcha docro does hey, we're all on the same page if it was going to be one of us, if one of us has to be during gate champion, then it has to be a kukuta kukuta cuts his same promo he's been cutting since the heel turn and right as he's about to do his final line, tune sky walker.
[SPEAKER_01]: interrupts and interrupts the show closed, bringing out all of Saipatra, Kakuta, then steps in, and I'm sorry, before that soon, essentially calls out Shimizu.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shimizu comes out with a full leg cast on crutches.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is barely mobile.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets into the ring and shoots out a chair and tells him to sit down in the chair and get your haircut because clearly you're not going to be in the match here until essentially a Kakuita steps in, he says, I will step in for Shimizu and that makes tune apoplectic because Kakuita has no hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with this Rio Cyto gets into the fray, again, one last time, it's going to be Shun Skywalker versus Madoka Kakuta versus Homari versus Kotoman or versus Yoshiki Kato versus Elceolo, Mesgaric Contra, Caballera,
[SPEAKER_01]: If Kakuta loses, it will be Shimizu's hair being cut.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the hostage gimmick working in there with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on top of the mask and hair stipulation, the loosering unit, the looser of the match, their unit must have been disbanded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Homari offers upside-pattera to make this match kind of that part of the stipulation done and Shimizu,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... not shimazoo shimz guy walker storms out at uh... both uh... humara and l c l o a green with the stipulation so uh... coming out all this uh... our main event of golden colosseum mascara contra caballera steel carriage warfare six way uh... humara shimz guy walker a coteman or medoca cacuda l c l o and yosiki kato if cacuda loses shimazoo loses his hair
[SPEAKER_03]: will this been coming out of I. G on the 28 I have made my thoughts very clear, which are that I struggled to come up with thoughts on the fallout of the Golden Coliseum cage match at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where are you at with the shake up in this match?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a prediction three weeks out from the show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the cypatra is getting old yellow, which I think isn't necessarily a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't think they're going on a mask shown here, but it feels like they're setting up.
[SPEAKER_03]: That feels like it's likely of the of the options.
[SPEAKER_01]: but but it does feel like a marries is going to get himself into the situation where it does feel like that she might will finally stick his head head out and maybe a marry turns and goes back to got you to grow you know i mean like it does kind of feel like that
[SPEAKER_01]: for a unit that was completely in his image and people that he picked, like Sypatra is for like the first time, not on the same page of Shoen Skywalker, and I wonder at least coming out of cork, and that's the thing that's a little bit into my mind, but it feels like to me how Marys getting haircut, like that seems like the obvious thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think as you go through the list of participants in this match, you know, I don't, I don't think anything is going to happen to soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the angle of Kukuta costing Shimizu as hair is really interesting, but because we know we're not going to see Shimizu for the rest of the year, I'm not sure there's a way you can follow up on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: C. L. O. I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I find that
[SPEAKER_03]: I find C. Yellow S. Yellow far more of a marketable star than T. and Revolution on at this point just because he was only around for such a short glimpse of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you weren't watching Dragon Gate during that one month, if he on mask can just become another guy, if he goes back to T. and R. I mean, that's cool for the people that know him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say it overwhelming majority of the audience at this point
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this comes down to Kato or Menora losing their hair because you still have the ongoing issue between Menora and Eshen as well as the stuff between Humare and Menora.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think those guys are probably the last two in the cage and it wouldn't shock me at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: If Eashon turns on Menora turns him face, Hamara comes out of the cage, Menora loses his hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the thing that I'm leaning towards right now, and I will likely change this opinion as we go along, although again, I've had a really hard time getting any sort of feel for this match and how it's going to play out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a very strong chance that at the end of this match, we have no Cipatra and no Gajadokuro, and I could see them blowing both units up at the end of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like the idea of the fact that, like, let's be honest, uh, de-curage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the, de-curage is as awkward as a question of its existence coming out of the cork and as it was going into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does feel like, hey, you could very quickly, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would say like blow up everything and then we're kind of like looking at brand new stakes going into May, but it does feel like that you could really have like a situation where what happens if like Manora
[SPEAKER_01]: like something happens with Manora and he loses the match for God's adokero and you know that then they look towards it that the Manora face starting and never giving up on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a lot of just chaos options that I feel like that
[SPEAKER_01]: adding the disband kind of lethal ejection kind of punishment to this yeah it gives you that option and I do have to say we have been very down on him rightfully I feel like with this booking over the last uh
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, in some way since July, but having this now be like the bow of the Schoen skywalker end of zebra's storyline and having it ending with like a nuclear option cage match does now feel kind of deserved if we pull back to the from from like where we are now and then look at everything that has happened since Kobe World of 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think it's too soon for Hummari to turn on Skywalker?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: he's like he's had such a unique trajectory just because of his immediate going into zebras and being treated as like the super rookie that like at a certain point he needs to spread his wings as himself and not as just a shoe skywalkers perfect like boy soldier.
[SPEAKER_01]: right, like just like taking Hommari and looking at him by himself without like the shun skywalker entanglement and just like him and like his progression is career.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about time for him and I would say that we look at whatever like the steps are next steps are for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that is turning on skywalker, which would be such a huge thing and and I think like if you think about everything with with how the company's been dominated by
[SPEAKER_01]: That like in all the ways that he had influence pain upon the roster and the fact that like the one person that that he suck is neck out forever his like one protege is the one that makes that rips his mask off I think would be a big kind of thing for him all right and I and that's why I brought it up as like that's the thing that kind of gets stuck in my head coming out of the angle just because that's a that's an awful media option that is on the table there guys
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I don't even necessarily think you're wrong, but doesn't feel like if Hommari turns on soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: And these guys, they've been linked together since September of 2024.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've been through two units together now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't it just seem like this is representative of a larger issue in Dragon Gate, where if they break up at the end of April,
[SPEAKER_03]: We can look at their time together and go, wow, they did so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were so many interesting shoot and Humara tags and Ray Day pre-hoss.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it looked like the side patch or trio that triangle gate team was going to be such a special team before they got hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they got onto this program that I don't think you or I are into that much.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like,
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in, we're in this era of shoot in Humariah's career and we're not gonna have them have a twin gate match.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to come in, Rita.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not gonna find them another guy to go back to the triangle gate scene in.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no point of having shown be Humariah's second for a Humariah dream gate match.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the fact that the fact that this cocoo to run might end without getting cocoo to verse, Humariah just seems completely insane to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is a company and I started talking about this
[SPEAKER_03]: They are booking right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's always been an incredibly conservative book company going back to the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they are so conservative right now that they are shooting themselves in the foot and I still feel like it may be this is just
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, something that I get hung up on because I, you know, one of my very early AEW talking points was I thought Cody and MJF broke up about two years too early.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have had those guys have a tag team and a will they won't they attention just until until the end of time until finally MJF snapped on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's the example that I almost use here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I know I'm not done with these guys as a team.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're super interesting together.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the fact that Schoon has a friend is super interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't agree with the
[SPEAKER_03]: the calendar beats that this company hits sometimes or it's like, well, you've got the cage match, time to have a big turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can do that with Menorra.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could see where the chips lie with, you know, another summer where we give him a shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I will, I mean, like, say how that goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a valid exit out of this as man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had, it is time to turn cousin Menorra and give him one last shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's look.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not necessarily what I want.
[SPEAKER_03]: open the idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I think maybe, maybe it's the state of the company being where it's at right now where I'm like, ah, how bad is the summer of Coach Menorga to hurt us this time around?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like we're holding on to anything really precious at this moment in time.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the shoot at Hommari stuff just put a bone on that like.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I feel like they have another years worth of stories just in this era of their careers before we go anywhere else with them because ultimately Humara should turn on Shoon and they should have a mask versus hair match at some point in Shoon should cut the guys hair and it should be this this grandiose thing when it happens but
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see that during the next US presidential election cycle, you know, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, they have so many things to do together, it just, it seems like we're once again just at a point where they go small, small, small, small, small, small than they have this big action.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're missing other big things that could have been done along the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it could be really, really disappointing if home already turns on shoot at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't disagree with like the idea that we don't have like year to year storytelling like that and especially in a promotion that sometimes felt like that there was a lot of year to year storytelling with it, it does kind of make you not wanted to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a way, when all of this kind of circling started to happen, like first with CLO and Kato really dating back since like November, it's interesting how that this cage match in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: it it's had a lot of like transmutations on who I thought was probably going to lose the mask or lose their hair at this point and to just from like the just in this calendar year alone and the fact that now I never really take the idea of shins guy walker losing his masks like seriously whatsoever but now I'm starting to entertain the idea of man maybe is this the thing
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a unmoored promotion who does beats on a calendar that they're doing a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming out of this cork and with it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's run with the idea that whoever gets turned on in this match, or if you could select somebody from the six guys in this match, and we'll throw Eshen in as the bonus seventh guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who, who do you think benefits most from the big angle that then puts them in the main event of Kobe world?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's what we have to assume is that this match is going to dictate what we get in the middle of July.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the guy that you lean on in that situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the fact that now Kakura's in the cage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's menorah now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of like feels like he's he's starting to cut have you noticed that with like he he it yes he's like pale and has like the and it will have like a buzz haircut with us and it'll be like his second buzz head in three years, but like it does kind of feel like if this was if we were looking at this through booking eyes pre 2021 right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't it kind of feel like a way that he's been a heel for a long time not for like a long time, but for like a good enough time that this isn't like immediate.
[SPEAKER_01]: That it does feel like that if we're looking at my traditional perspective, I think the I would have to go towards Manora now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I mean to piggyback off of the homari point, I just made you know, could they do some more Jason Manora stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do feel like you've done enough of that team at this point I agree you know I'm always intrigued by it by them together, but I don't I don't think we're missing out on anything great there, and I'm not sure that if manure stays a heel.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm sure it would be fine to have you know, the Nora Jason isian triangle gate team let's say, but that doesn't really like my role on fire, I mean, manure is due.
[SPEAKER_03]: for I think a full-on baby face turn because even you know towards the tail end of gold class after he got his head shaved the last time he was in such an odd place as a character it's it's been a very long time since it has been this is coachman or uh everybody let's agree to cheer him all together when there's not a murmur in the crowd when he comes out so no I I feel like we're just about done there but then you go back to
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we sure Coach Menor is the guy against Madoka Kukuchu, who I think is proving himself to be a second and a clan-type guy and not a top guy?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this directly.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about Menor versus Kukuchu to headlining Kobe world this year?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't love it either.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like...
[SPEAKER_01]: you're not going back to Yoshioka like are we sure they're not going back to Yoshioka.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think there's a strong chance the main event of Kobe world is Yoshioka vs. Kukuta.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, just because like the 5th Kakudas in the cage and unless you are looking at okay you can wrap that up in May and by the end of the June cork and we can move on to Yoshioka at Kobe World, which I mean Kobe World is on the 20th this year, so I mean you're going to have another cork in July and like two loops there right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have the time if you want to, but I also think that that's really compressing the fallout of the cage really quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just move on to Yoshio, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm in the ace, then he should be like, I'm in my title shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, and I think that's what they can very easily do is just, hey, you Yoshio, because you were the microphone, you know, we're going to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then whatever happens with that fallout of the man, he's never been that kind of promo guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, but this is, but they don't, they don't have that guy right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, they just didn't love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She knows that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They look, but look, they don't, they don't have that guy because they just had 1100 in the cork and that had a dream game match on top and a pretty big tag match and so my main event.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, you know, you could very easily get out of this by, okay, menor returns on E.C.
[SPEAKER_03]: and that's your match five on an eight match Kobe world this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: whatever that is with, you know, menorah shoo and homari C. L. O. Ishan and let's say, you know, Kai Jason, whoever else.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that certainly screams like an upper mid card program to be a not something that necessarily needs to dominate the focus of the company.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I'm not sure if,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if we had just kept the belt on shune for an entire year, and it was sci-patch or shune going into Kobe world, maybe then I would be a little bit more confident and a menorah challenge, you know, if it was Yamato, I would be a little bit more confident and a menorah challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if it was been at this stage in Ben's career, I'd feel a little bit more confident there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if we're on this ice cold, Madoka coco to dream gate run, and we're going, you know, we're rubbing our hands together backstage and going Coach Minora.
[SPEAKER_03]: this is your year like I just I don't know about that it's why it's why I can't ignore the idea of Yoshioca being the guy again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, let's just let's look at the roster page really quick and go through, you know, if your dreamgate champion is Kukuta in July, which there's no guarantee that it is, but let's go onto the assumption right now that Kukuta's going to be your dreamgate champion in July.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think menor as a real possibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: is Babyface Cato?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that do anything for ya?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got a really believe in that, and I just don't see, like, I just don't see like the popular appeal to him to get there, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, or do I?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, I think it's great he's in this gauge match, and he does feel like,
[SPEAKER_01]: that he will get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's put it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: He stayed off the aisle and he is stepped up given like the kind of scenarios here, but they're not going to give his first shot at co-a world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like with the amount of support he has right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: If this was happening, maybe a year or two from now, I would more gear towards yes, but I also feel like in that year or two from now, he would have already had a dream gate shot before, you know, I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, menorah, yes, baby face cocktail, not really.
[SPEAKER_03]: How more, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, that would be bold.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was tough for me to say, yes, it had an all right, how am I, while saying, no, took a, to Cato when Cato is six foot and a hundred kilos and almost 30.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you run back, Kiku diverse as shown?
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a masculine, probably than in that case, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't, I can't even fathom that scenario.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think she just loses a gas mask ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I don't think that would be a, and less like Shungo's like, I've killed Gajadokuro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have BE in the cage, Madoka, Kaku, and I've made you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have been worthless and defending Shimmazoo's hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, hand me that belt at Kovey world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it does, if he didn't win the belt last year at Kobe world, I'd be more on board with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we didn't have, and if we didn't have how I'm beandering this overall program has been, I would be more for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree completely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you look at paradox.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's anybody there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's the direction they're going this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... did just jump in there's two corkons in june just to figure out the sense of god okay i'm gonna book some shitty matches on those shows they don't they don't have a beefed off russia right out of new back to back cork it that is that is that is going to be concerning i am very curious to see what outsiders get brought in on those shows and i would imagine they loaded up like they did last year with a brave gate in the twin gate of the triangle gate of the dream gate that oh man that is they do not have the russia for that right now so
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, I wonder if they do coco diverse, how Mario and June, that feels very plausible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love and peace bins already had a shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody else is going to be there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Paradox, I really hope they're doing just a very straightforward paradox versus natural vibes, triangle gate match on that show.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you mod it on YouTube, you can do more stuff together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that leaves you with Yoshioka and that leaves you with Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it is way more likely that one of those guys is wrestling cocoon july, over manora, over kato, over hamari, over shoun, but those to me are the only options right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you have the aspect of like, okay, you can get to 12 before Kobe world now with those co-bays.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the with those corkens, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like at that point, be like, I am the best brave gay champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not doing clearly dream versus brave double title match, but I feel like at that point, he could probably say, like, I feel like I should get my shot here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that it, with the schedule with that, that you could get him across the finish life with the brave gate and then get him to a dream gate match, with those I mean, I, I'd be interested in Tanaka versus,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I think there's something that with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the one that intrigues me the most, and I wasn't even super into it when it first started getting talked about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a month or two ago went to knock a really seem to catch fire, but I think that's the match that I would prefer at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like if you're going to make a big deal out of somebody new, that feels like a much safer bet than Cato or her mar at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: So as we sit here in early April, I am rooting for Tanaka versus Kakuta, and I am fearful for anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Working our way down the car, the semi-main event, the 10th anniversary match, shunes guy Walker and Binkay on one side, heo and Yuki Oshioca on the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked kind of around this match up until this point, but let's get into the match itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of fun case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it a touch more than the main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I still feel like that I have this match at four and a quarter stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would go like, man, I know that this match could have been like a four and three quarter star match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of, in some points, was trending to that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like that it just,
[SPEAKER_01]: For the, not necessarily like the bad vibes across the emotion, but just that did not get across like that match of match of the year line for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had it for a flat, and I feel the same way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like everybody liked this match a little bit more than I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the thing that I'm going to take away from this is that it does represent a very interesting flash point in the history of the company, where between these four guys, show is consistently doing the best work and is right now the best worker of the bunch.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the only time in history you can say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I would imagine that
[SPEAKER_03]: It soon can ever figure out his character again, and, you know, we give Ben something to do at some point that well, that will change pretty quickly, but it was very interesting to me that this was a match where I thought, yo, looks like a bigger star than everybody else and looks like a better wrestler than everybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and Jay talked about it a good deal on commentary and I felt like that as you mentioned earlier, Jay's the way that he handled this match was really kind of sets him apart as how he is as a broadcaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the point he brought up was like, Shun Skywalker, Ben Kay, and Yuki Oshio because they have all been at the pinnacle.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a combined six dream gate title the reigns between the three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, unquestionably, if you're talking about like who is the most on fire right now, who is at their peak right now, it is heo, and heo felt like the peak wrestler throughout this match, like to the point that other than the fact that like you had a couple glances of Terminator Yoshioca, but it felt like that this very much was heo, and then getting
[SPEAKER_01]: I, it'll be a weird kind of thing, but I do really want to see students, guy, walker, and bank cave versus Jackie Reid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that's a match that I've put in my head after watching this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this was a match that was for us and a bunch of ways, because we got to see a bunch of mochizuki dojo offense that grows up, which is like one of my favorite moves that
[SPEAKER_01]: And his overall, he doesn't use that's like his, his waterwheel face buster downwards, a move that he does not use anymore coming out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And probably the most amount of Ben K bomb attempts and teases and actual Ben K bombs that I feel like we've seen in like three years, which was kind of a fun thing about this match, but it's just could not get to that point for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: To your point about this shouldn't have been tag team, it's why
[SPEAKER_03]: when I think about you know, how we're analyzing this promotion in 2026 and what's changed, there is not an issue of talent on this roster still, it's actually even with all the injuries and even with the departure of diet, it's still what I would call a loaded roster, but you have
[SPEAKER_03]: almost half of the roster tied up at a program that is doing nobody any favors.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you hit me with the men and black memory eraser tomorrow, and just said, you know what, Shimazoo got hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're restarting 2026 the middle of April.
[SPEAKER_03]: Forget everything you've seen before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Soon you're now teaming with Ben.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are a tag team going forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to get you a unit to make up for our sins in 2019.
[SPEAKER_03]: This promotion would turn around in a day.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just we're just living through a really bad timeline of booking right now and you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the thing that jumped out to me was how do we get shoot and ban back in the same unit in an attack team?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I started wondering, well, is that like, you know, Dranky doesn't really, like, I don't know if that would work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those guys are so big and they're, they're booked so powerfully.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I thought, well, no, that's fucking stupid.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had Yamato and the rookie doys attack team and they broke a 28 record.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason that shoot had been taken into the same exact thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like that if the match was like in the service, I'll go in like think about like boy, these guys have like that kind of history.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got that feeling from that side, whereas like
[SPEAKER_01]: I really was, and maybe it was because the kind of unit Mochizuki Dojo was in the time they're in their careers, especially for like Yoshioka who wasn't really well defined until the inferno run to be quite fair for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like that, like this was like the fun interesting matchup to make between the floor of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it did kind of end up like having one side, the dreams kind of go off to the races and the other cycle, like, you know, Yoshioka doesn't need to join love and peace of decourage goes away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's not much there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: the pre-intermission match was the four-way tag, the open twin gate champions, Jackie Kamay and Rita, the All Asia tag team champions, Masaki Mochizuke and Don Fuji, the Saurio tag team champions, Sumiyakosuka and Kaga Tora, and the number one contenders through the All Japan,
[SPEAKER_01]: tag team title is Diazushi Kanda and Ginki Horiguchi.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a backslide time from Ginki Horiguchi on Kame and a match that Ginki Horiguchi other than chopping Don Fuji did nothing but the backslide for and that was this four-way match.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm over it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't like this game.
[SPEAKER_03]: You stuff at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were really pushing it with the brave gay match and I find his inclusion into anything else that's relevant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it looked just one of my favorite wrestlers of all time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is a guy that at one point I lobbied to be one of the 100 greatest wrestlers ever and I find him to be a brilliant mind and really at his peak.
[SPEAKER_03]: A really, really underrated and under appreciated wrestler, but I I mean, I have I have zero desire.
[SPEAKER_03]: to see him do anything important anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just can't believe that we're now staring down the barrel of another ganky horror Gucci title match, even if it's for the All-Asia Belt and even if it's in Fukuoka, I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not exactly him going for the dream gate, but I'm still so bothered by the idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: when you could have done something really interesting with Susumu and Kaga Tora and Kame and Rita because it's clear that the chemistry is there and my expectations for that match are in the same way they were for Jason and Jackie versus Shun and Monta in 2022.
[SPEAKER_03]: My expectations are completely unfair and yet I get the feeling that they might surpass them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was bogged down by stuff that I just didn't want like I have zero investment in this all ages stuff now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was fun when it was mostly Fuji versus Asian and Cato.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not really enjoying it after that now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I the all Asia tag thing I was intrigued by the idea of okay old man tag team wrestling and then like let's have some like dragon gate guys like go up against mochi Fuji and say it was just kind of doing
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of old man tag team wrestling and if they weren't going to do the all if the all Asia Junior tag tournament wasn't going to end up with like Mochazuki Junior and Rio in a way challenging and getting the belts back then and like working the belts back into all Japan in that way I don't know how or why the belts are sticking around you know at this point
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't get it, you know, I think Mochazuki still has a lot left at the tank and I think he can still go and do interesting things and be in big matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure that this is the thing that I want to see from him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I certainly, you know, this was the point that I made last month that's funny the way that things changed because the point that I made last month was I went, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: things are not looking good right now, but if you compare them to 2018, you can see just how weak those 2018 cards were and how depleted that roster was because you had condon big matches and you had punch and big matches and you know this is the tail end of Kotoka's career where you would have Kotoka doing some stuff here and there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just guys that that were being pushed
[SPEAKER_03]: one roster wrong above where they felt or it's sometimes too you know a lot of cyber calling and I went well you know until we see that I don't have a ton of reason to be concerned and then we have condoms idle match we have punched in the title match and we have to caution you shoot in a title match and it's inexcusable.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's inexcusable when Luis Monte is not in a unit and hasn't been for over a year now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's inexcusable to book the matches that they're booking with the guys that they're booking and relevant positions when Monte continues to do nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this ganky and connoist stuff is bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no interest at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that at this point for as much as I love them, God bless and one of my all-time favorites.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don Fujis being pushed to his limit and I'm not sure I'm not sure how many more of these all Asia tags I can watch and go Oh, well, that was kind of fun for it was just because before it becomes a title-rounded overseas as well
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm about at that point with you there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the Gajadokro vs. Psychiatric Tag, so the next one was Natural Vibes, Atomicov vs. Paradox, Drung, CJ KZ, Gucci, and Aki vs. Yamato, Dracking Kid, Neruki Doy and BB Hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want a Gucci and Aki have themselves a day of getting their ass kicked by your mom and away throughout this match, but it's Gucci getting the knock-and-door on Hulk to get the win here, and I match that, you know, I thought that for
[SPEAKER_01]: as frustrating as some of the things we're on the card, the progression that we've seen from Gucci and especially Oki since turning the natural vibes is some of the more encouraging things to see in this promotion and I just love the fact that Neruki Doy was like, oh, Yamato's being up on Gucci.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to super-dragon Oki a lot and that just kind of made me start cackling and I see watching this match.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I had the pencil, I would be booking the amount of endoye versus Gucci and Oki next month in cork on haul.
[SPEAKER_03]: That to me just feels like the most obvious follow up to this and I know it's not going to happen and it's going to bug me, but that is that is an opening match 15 minute time limit draw if there ever was one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll measure the match by the amount of bloody noses we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gucci's unbelievable man at that guy and it's you know it's a victory lap that I'm going to be happy to continue taking because it was one year ago is April 2025 when he had the brave game match against you on it when I I'd love that match for what it was and I love the fallout of it and I felt like after that match was like oh they're going to they're going to finally do something with this kid I've always really liked this potential I like the way that he moves around the ring it's just a matter of whether or not he can actually have something
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they put him on ice after that again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was so confused by that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that next incarnation of Mochazuki Dojo that came is something that was already so much in the back of my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it'll just become a cage match oddity where a few years or now you and I will go, oh, do you remember they did another Mochazuki Dojo?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really think any sort of lasting impact or legacy but to see him step into vibes the way that he has.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is again, to draw comparisons to 2018.
[SPEAKER_03]: you and I would send text back and forth and go imagine where this company would be without maximum in 2017 and 2018.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike imagine 2026 without natural lives as they had it hit the refresh button at the start of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if like natural vibes like the way that they hit that refresh and you had that shimmazoo week, it like it, it's probably the unit of the year to be quite honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's close.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be loving peace just aren't provided with the opportunities.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like natural vibes have had more big matches this year, despite the fact that we entered the calendar year with loving peace holding two sets of titles, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: integral to the the fiber of this promotion that love and peace does right now, which I think is why they're only drawing a thousand fans of core cam, but I digress.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm totally with you on it, but yeah, this was an absolute blast of a undercard, eight man tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these are the things like if the rest of the undercard was stuff like this, we would probably feel a lot less on board about this show because this felt like the track is a show was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you know, I got to mention this really quick because nobody's really doing this moving wrestling right now right before the finish Aki did that leaping cross body just off the ropes and just you know, yeah, the fly Marina.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just jumped into your bottle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that looked great.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a what a great move for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's it's right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next cork and opening match to be Yamatoi versus Gucci and Aki if you don't want Gucci to beat up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand having to go to a 15 minute time of a draw, but like
[SPEAKER_03]: It kind of, and this is a longstanding issue that isn't necessarily reflective of a 20, 20, 6-stringed issue, but just something that is always, always could have fused me about the promotion from about 2016 or 17 onwards, is just the way that they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: the booking of the triangle gate bellets where it feels a lot like an afterthought and and I do feel like we are building towards what could be a really special triangle gate match at Kobe world between vibes and paradox.
[SPEAKER_03]: and I'm just not sure we're going to we're going to get it or there's going to be another team involved because they want to fit more guys on the show and it's just going to it's just going to go up the works, but you know, he needs needs booked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or Washington is booked and so you do a washi condo and suguara you throw them in there and it's a nightmare match of a sudden, but
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, come back though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, like, I was happy from this this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could be in that course.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he could, you know, he could be on an opening match battle royal, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he would fit in there fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you just, if you really committed yourself,
[SPEAKER_03]: to Casey Gucci and Aki versus Yamato Doye, and if you wanted to be a whole crew, you wanted to be a dragon, kid, whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you had us just building anticipation from now until Kobe, I mean, that would feel, that would, I think that would be a drawing match.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you could put that in a post in our mission spot or the match right before in our mission.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it would feel humongous and I just know they're not going to do that and it's very odd because you have this triangle gate team, much like the last one with Ben and Junior and Heo, where it's like man, like, these guys have something, this is an above average chemistry group.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's run with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what they can do when I just, I know that's not going to be how they handle this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we go down the card with talking about things that just kind of went on for a long time, uh, Ultimo Monte doing nothing in Pancho Managa versus Toro Washi Takashi and Mondai Ryu.
[SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, hot crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of Kamora.
[SPEAKER_01]: a commodisari Commada and Ultimo in this and speaking of Commada he wins with the problem on PT the first time that he is one of that move probably since the over generation days and that was the thing that propelled to the absurd triangle gate match happening in that G. So I'm in the process of writing my written reveal and
[SPEAKER_03]: When I started writing the review, I thought this match was booked for Golden Coliseum, that Triangle Gate match, and I had this very long paragraph typed up about how I think that's horrible booking, you're not doing anything with Monte, I can't accept this being a title match on a big show, especially against a Triangle Gate team of that caliber.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I went back and I looked at Jay's blue sky post and I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to do this in problem dragons, homecoming show on April 12th.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why Evo Motos there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I deleted the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not going to be televised.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's ever going to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who cares?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it got confirmed for Golden Colosseum.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I lost my fucking mind earlier today.
[SPEAKER_03]: This has to be the worst title match on paper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably since Ky versus Yoshida in 2022 for the Dream Theatmatch.
[SPEAKER_03]: repulsed that they're doing this on a big show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is abhorrent and if anybody wants to go out, what else are you supposed to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, you have control over the card.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, can we do Camora and Giro and Funa or Camora and Giro in Monte or I don't know anything other than this, this I cannot accept this is a triangle game match on a big shell.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is all.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way has been announced for Golden Colosseum, my god, you could be having Doi and a triangle gate match right now this month.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not the whole off until Kobe or okay say could be happening this month that they really
[SPEAKER_03]: So they could do, they could do, yeah, they could do Yamato doy and dragon kid theoretically right they could have yeah oh my god looking yeah all those have an open fight card for ichi well who are they gonna Oh, there's going to be paradox and love and peace on the undercard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, who's who's left.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's kind of where we're at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, zero versus X. Yeah, that's at least fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm into that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I, you know, if it were up to me, I'd put zero and tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have them when some matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those guys, that that is Charlie Kustrita.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even even when this company doesn't have their fastball, they can still find some magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this was the second match on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Kazuma Kamora and Jero Shimbashi versus Eashan and Jason Lee.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, Jero, this was like a step for him because this was his first televised tag match with his class of 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: partner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that the chemistry was there, the more kind of we see like not necessarily like super serious Giro, but like he's and he knows when to incorporate his act when not to and like breaking Jason just absolutely destroying the umbrella got epic pop out of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a a bunch of good fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought like and you know, Asians, the right kind of guy for that
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, counterpart with for Shambashi doing a lot of this stuff, but yeah, come on in Shambashi need to be tagging a lot more on these other cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Completely agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, obviously very different sets of charisma, but it has the same charm that that you she caught, Oh, Kaito Nagano tag team had in Rayday, but when they brought it back, it's that same.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, I don't know it really works.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Inferers, where is I am about, you should do in comedy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think he and zero line up perfectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for what this was, I thought this is a very fun, undercard match.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then we opened up with really it's knockovers is canitra or rye and a grimy as hell just it's just a rye working the arm and shoulder not being able to be up with the dragon gate speed so he's just really grinding it out in the tenaka hitting the cross Abraham nowhere just going like I'm done with this guy at this point and escaping with the brave gate open the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: before this match, the last three can be sure of a ride during eight singles matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, the singles matches are gonna make it difficult because there were, he would be in match zeroes when he was the, the cycle.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, can you think, can you think of the most recent or are you in singles match and during eight?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea, who is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: off the top of my head, the last three right now to top my head, but I don't have to look at this because I wrote into my review.
[SPEAKER_03]: So July 2024 in Kobe, he wrestled Coachman Nora in a singles match.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was I maybe the day before Kobe world that year, I have zero recollection of that match.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a Kobe arts center show that I just,
[SPEAKER_03]: do not remember what I've been day before Kobe, I don't, I think maybe only Joe Gagney watched that show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get the, I don't, I don't think I watched that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then before that, November 2023, Cork, and against the Sumia coast, I know I reviewed that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Admittedly, I don't remember that either.
[SPEAKER_03]: The third most recent Dragon Gate singles match
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you see that that was the time frame I was thinking of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I miss.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a diet of my daughter TV?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't, but I got to get Darby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Darby, just took one of the all-time great Darby bumps.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, Mark, Mark gave us into cash to just launch him into the fucking sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: That completely broke by Trinidad thought about Arcade, which is just that like, I knew it had been a long time since we had seen him in a singles match.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was not expecting one of his more recent singles matches to be an Ellen and a match.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really enjoyed running into that on CageBatch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The two differences of us put into display, I have the Glate Show from yesterday on, and it's, if 200 people in first ring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not gonna be watching that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guess what they're in a guess what the capacity as of the building that they're running for their fifth anniversary show inch on that is on my birth dates.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my worst birthday present every year is the great Anniversary show take a guess on the capacity of the building.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where they're running.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just going to say a thousand people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a venue that has never held wrestling before to my knowledge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll I'll go a thousand people.
[SPEAKER_03]: 5,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're not going to draw that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not going to draw that thousand, probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's tough one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I could deal with more canature right doing this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if canature or ride was put into the Ginki or Gucci position, and maybe it is the novelty that it's or it can coming back into that, but I would have a lot more time for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I wrote a lot about this in the review that will hopefully be a Friday morning, as kind of what I'm shooting to have that done, but we'll see it might actually it might end up being Monday and I might not be able to get it done tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say, I'm glad that this patch happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have much rather seen Tanaka versus Junior, but
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a type of Tanaka match that we hadn't really seen before.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought him working this match, you know, obviously not a brave game match, but canonically in this time period.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't think this was great by any means.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was possible at best.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm glad that it happened because it gave us a new side of Tanaka that we hadn't seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it was fun to have and hey, it's always nice to seek nature right and get his The other thing about him not being around as much and doing it any sales matches We don't get his groovy theme music that often.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do not get his groovy theme music that often One final thought on an arc and that is unrelated to this match, but as there's been some greatest rest forever discourse popping back up I
[SPEAKER_03]: I just started thinking about the type of people, complimentary, the type of people that do greatest wrestler ever, and with the,
[SPEAKER_03]: The sort of, I don't know if a resurgence is the right word, but the emergence of Canitra or Rye as like a Japanese indie king over the last few years, there's a very realistic chance that if I don't submit a ballot and if Alan doesn't submit a ballot that the highest ranking dragon gate wrestler, dragon system wrestler will be Canitra or Rye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, like I could see it like it's a real like it's a real because they're fucking they're not going to finish at the top 100.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no these people complementary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, these people are not they weren't grinding Tory bond tapes in the last 10 years like I suggested they do for this project, but I know I know they've been watching heat up and capture and whatever else so I I
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you DM and you send them like $3.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the general R.R.
[SPEAKER_03]: can hour long match, which admittedly I was very curious about what never got around to watching and like, hey, I say this in Austin, sir, and if that is your thing, I think that's rad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also think it is absolutely maddening that we might have a poll that reflects conetra a ride as the greatest dragon system restaurant all time, and that's going to bug the shit out of me if that happens, but something about.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, that's I'm wondering how high I'll go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be a top 100 guy, but I think there will be people that like will have are kind of their top 50 that won't vote.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most Suzuki Shingo, Shima, Yoshino, etc.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they really like are again, which I like you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, you know, I don't, I don't know if he's one of the 400 greatest wrestlers ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let alone one of the 100 greatest wrestlers ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, I wonder, like, I'm trying to think of like what random Japanese sleeves wrestler that I'd be very amused by saying like getting like every evaluation because of the pure archive channel popping up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, like there's a whole lot of gentaro like young gentaro being posted and like Tokyo pro from the 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to be Yujiano getting like a glow up at this
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, god, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because there's a picture panel of that channel.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I mean, I would really hope that Yoshikito Sasaki comes around at some point and more people's it has work because he was absolutely brilliant and had the best match of Sami Callahan's life, which actually isn't a dig on Sami Callahan as much as it's just like Sami Callahan during that era.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually doing a lot of good work and he happened to do his
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a scene that I feel so divorced from right now just because I'm not watching any sort of Japanese indie scum.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's never fully been my thing, what it's especially not my thing now.
[SPEAKER_03]: My thing right now was 2001 CMLL.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am in the process.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have watched just about every ultimate Guerrero match that has made tape from 1998 to mid 2001.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that is what I'm watching when I'm not watching
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I am really kind of addicted to that sleeve stuff, but I jump, but it's never like me really going for like hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a cookie pro as tech as facing ligor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's I find the like the like absolutely like the people that are probably like the university wrestlers who are good, who just appear on like one random wrestling show in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: after like three university days.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like the odd appeal, but case, I am actually looking at the next book that I'm about to get scanned for us for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I might not, I won't have it for next week, but we are going to be talking about Machinocupro very soon on this feed next week for those days, aren't we?
[SPEAKER_03]: Next week, the return of those days, you know, I would imagine you and I will be doing some sort of Draingate WrestleMania weekend content, maybe the week after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But next week, it's the return of those days.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are in 1996 and we are going to be talking about I would say one of the more important stretches in the history of the entire company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's right because it's 1996 and it's almost about time to talk about kind of dialogues and we get to talk about it next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't wait to get to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can follow us on social media at Open Voice Gate cases on Twitter at underscore in your case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at Fuji Haya on Twitter, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like Don Fuji.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could also join the conversation of voices of wrestling discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Dragon Gate channel that gets a lot of talk during shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Recently, a talking about fire pro translations was a topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, and more importantly, the Open of Boys Gate, there's the Open of Boys Gate channel where we post our show notes and our matchlists for those says that probably by next week we'll have like another like landing page that will be posted there as well for that, but you can find all of our historical content there as well, but that's going to do it for this week on Open of Boys Gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back with you next time with Mitch and Okupro in 1996.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take care everyone.