[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, God lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Housewives of the true crime, ish and guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true crime today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like actual true crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't put on my tinfoil hat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go down with some crazy rabbit holes.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of our members on our true crime, our housewives, a true crime group on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really, she said that her brother is a flat earther.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a member, we were talking about that recently, and that did give me like a sneaking suspicion to actually figure out what that actually means.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure it means that you just believe that the Earth is flat, but how do people come up with that idea?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like where I'm where I'm going with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that might be one coming up soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, today I am talking about a true crime case that actually is in the middle almost done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe what by the time you guys hear it, it will be done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it will be actually because the jury just started deliberating yesterday, so we shall see, but that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's tell everybody, Jenny, what happened this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, my house is still in recovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think my husband is still in recovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had a little, a little war.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jenny's daughter had some friends over and I found out about it and my son had a friend over as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, hey, let's think about something fun to do that my son's never done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, maybe we can go T.B.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny's house.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my son was like, yes, oh my gosh, he was so excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Him and his friend were just like, we've never done anything like that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the forecast said it was going to start raining in like five minutes and so I'm like, okay, I'm not going to do that to Jenny because toilet paper and what like no like that is seriously bad friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, would you buy the way I was supposed to take the girl's toy that papering and we chose not to, for that reason also, we're like, no, it's going to rain.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't do that to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm like, I'm like, okay, let's ding dong ditch them, but leave something like we'll do it a couple times and we'll leave something and the boys were like, okay, well, what do we leave and I was like, you guys get creative.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: we just had pizza, why don't you leave a pizza box?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they started coming up with things on their own and we got in my car with whatever they had and they had got in like a pizza box.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wrote ranch on like five different pieces of paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: They thought it was so funny cause pizza and ranch go together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And So I know so on you're like, what is with the rage and the nice and maybe it was the pizza company doing like an advertisement And they got glitter
[SPEAKER_00]: And they got a dog, like the bag for the dog food.
[SPEAKER_00]: What else did they get?
[SPEAKER_00]: They got tape, like red duck tape.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like a schmorgasporg of, yeah, very random odd random, really random stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, oh pop the puppets that you like throw on the ground and they like, they kind of like explode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we get up there and I parked my car so that like my license plate doesn't show so it's just like a black Tesla any black Tesla.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not how you originally had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not how I originally did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I gave you some tips like tab.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have your license plate facing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I already found that before, but okay, so we get there and I'm kind of scoping out the situation and I parked with the wrong way and then I see Jenny pull up and I'm like what the hell I'm like what is she doing and so I'm like you know I'm going to tell Jenny what we're doing so that she can like monitor the girls and see how I thought you were actually going to film from the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I tell her and then I'm like, I should change my car out because my license plate is kind of unique and Carly knows my license plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she doesn't almost like there's no way Carly is going to know I was like, oh, you don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% know that's me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I changed it around and then the boys go up and they do the pizza box first.
[SPEAKER_00]: they knock on the door, we run and I'm kind of doing this with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go up to the first time, but I was like hiding with them and they were so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were so scared, oh my god, we've never done this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so, you know, they're just, they look like rookies.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look like rookies.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were rookies like very much so rookies and they just were like so just like oh my gosh this is so like what do we do mom what do we do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay so the girls grabbed the pizza box I don't know they they I guess thought it was an advertisement because they did they were confused and they were coming up with all sorts of things and then they thought maybe it was a bad guy
[SPEAKER_01]: They did think that, and I thought pizza advertisement, bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe with a paper, then with a ranch ranch dressing in like purple marker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, so the second time, they took all the pop rocks and through it at Jenny's door to make like a big sound, which it did, but you guys didn't hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jenny's like, just have them do the like standard tinged on ditch and run.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I go up with them to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, and I start running down the street with the boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the girls are running after, and I hid in Jenny's neighbors' bush.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was so worried that I was gonna have spiders all over me, and I'm sure there was spiders in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure they're had to have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: the girls ran right past us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the boys, I didn't know where they went.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here at least my neighbors backyard.
[SPEAKER_00]: You went in her neighbors backyard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my gosh, you guys, you could not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to come and shoot it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Texas.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not California.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do not do that guns around here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, guys, do not go in the neighbors yard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, we get back the girls come back and the girls finally find the boys and then this work it's bad
[SPEAKER_00]: The girls decide to throw water at the boys were using solo cups from Jenny's house.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, they just ran in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny and I are outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of don't know really what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just kind of chatting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the boys go in my car, I guess, and grab all the extra glitter that they had put in my car, which will be extra glitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a lot, oh, yes, like, you know, crap size glitter and not like a little thing of glitter not a little thing not a little thing and they start running after the girls and throwing glitter all over the girls well.
[SPEAKER_00]: somehow probably because the girls were running back and forth from the house and have glitter all over their hair and their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And well, and the boys were also running in and out of the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jenny and I were like, there's a lot of screaming going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's water.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should go in.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: 10 30 at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this is not like a clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is too late at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of commotion going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No neighbors came out by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: No neighbors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that's concerning to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so many sort of came out and made sure everything was all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told her that I was screaming kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because there's so many freaking kids at our house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every freaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like normal.
[SPEAKER_01]: The neighbors are like, oh, just another weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we go in Jenny's house.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there is one, there's water everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Water on our couch, water on the, like the sprayer for the filling up the water cups, must have just went, hey, wire, there's water on our fridge, there's water on the floor, everywhere cabinets, floor, fridge, table, like you name it, it got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's glitter,
[SPEAKER_00]: everywhere, all over Jenny's floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, Claire is really hard to get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sure is, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you would know fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my husband says, we're finally laying in bed after like all the chaos has died.
[SPEAKER_01]: The
[SPEAKER_01]: And like it's clear that there's nothing we're going to be able to do about the rest of the glitter until the next morning, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're laying there and he goes, I just don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Glitter is the dumbest thing in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like glitter should just never be a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, it wasn't supposed to escalate like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying in the beats of ox.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then by the way, the blower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does not work to get glitter off.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, oh, it doesn't, it does not work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't even bother if that ever happens to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but then I also had to explain to my children, do not ever glitter bombs somebody because 99% of the people out there would be Live it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I felt so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was texting Jenny the next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like can I come over and I bring the boys over.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was chatting between like how to get glitter out like how to you get it out of every inch of your house.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as of right now, it's about we're like 90% there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The issue is that it has like all the leftover little pieces have settled into the cracks of the wood floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I need to go through with like masking tape or whatever and try to adjust.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, we're getting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope you enjoyed yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just glad I was at your house and not mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, it created some really awesome memories for the girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for the boys, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: A really great memory for me of you hiding in the bushes and sending you a video where I can hear you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jenny, I mean, the bushes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hiding in the bushes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just hiding in the bushes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hiding in the bushes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could catch any of the back going girls, get back, I like it, all the questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know because they were, they were trying to chase y'all, but they didn't realize they were chasing the wrong car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't even know who's car, they were chasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how far they went.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how far either because it took him a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, you can hear me yelling in the background.
[SPEAKER_01]: Girls, get back, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you need to post this that video.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm writing in the bushes on the stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to do that for you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really glad y'all didn't get shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Were you in the neighbors' bushes?
[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't in my bushes, were you?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was in two over, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the front of their driveway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you think I'm home and I'm in these bushes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to be like, what in the actual hell is this grown ass woman doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I thought, they have little.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were probably already in bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what if I'm on your neighborhood, like, watching camera?
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally thought that that was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure I've already, I'm sure one of my kids has already been on there for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does anybody know who this woman is hiding in my bushes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks to be in a midlife crisis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't write.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's get into the case today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like I said, I have this case that I'm just going to warn you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say this yet, but I am it I am going to warn you that it is going on right now and it is a brutal case like an absolutely amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also one of those cases where science and the legal system and shared termination of the police department, which I really appreciate and we are now here finally at closing our events where yesterday and now the jury is deliberating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're recording a little bit early on April 8th, 2026 arguments wrapped up yesterday and the jury is still been out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a very, very long process there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This jury has been listening to the story for since November you guys like that's how long they
[SPEAKER_00]: have been on the jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, which I can't even understand how that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like how is that even possible?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but we are going to Scottsdale, Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love Scottsdale though.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I love Scottsdale and oh my gosh, I have to tell you about you guys really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tokes who you guys all know sent me this.
[SPEAKER_00]: other podcasts that also comes out of Arizona and I just binged it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is so nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you what it's called.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Love Trapped and it's about this girl Laura Owens who basically is
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy bananas, kukub bananas, and she gets the old bachelor, Clayton Eckard Tells me she's pregnant and it's like a whole hoop law.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to the court.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah, okay That's also at a Scott'sdale.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are some crazies in Scott'sdale Scott'sdale But they listen
[SPEAKER_00]: Besides the crazies that are in Scottsdale, it is a beautiful place.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't been there, there's luxury resorts.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's incredible restaurants.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people are fancy there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're driving fancy cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're living in fancy houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very, very safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we know, the safety in the city and pretty much every city, I mean, like, even in the safest places, you can be unsafe because people are people and there are bad people out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: the neighborhood I'm talking about also is a very safe neighborhood the kind of place where you do not think twice about leaving your windows open to get that like nice desert air in the winter time only like 115 degrees or more the summer just so I like a very of 2015.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're definitely living your windows open, you're living your doors open, you're just like enjoying that nice, you know, 70 something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the in February of 2015, something happened in one of these quiet, Scott Stills homes that investigators would later describe as one of the worst crime scenes that they have ever encountered and that is what I'm going to tell you about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, let me tell you about Allison Feldman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ellison was a 31-year-old woman beauty.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was bright young, young-ish, 31.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still find 30-year-old these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was full of life, good career, had a boyfriend, had lots of friends, and a
[SPEAKER_00]: really a whole future ahead of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was living in her home in Scottsdale just, you know, doing her thing, living her life and her boyfriend heads to her house on this random day, like nothing, you know, like any other day that he just came by to, you know, see her, hang out with her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first thing he notices is that there's this overwhelming smell of like chlorine like bleach smell and he's like that's weird and it's filled in the whole entire house and then he finds Allison.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Allison is no longer living, and she has clearly been beaten to death.
[SPEAKER_00]: She had been strangled, sexually assaulted, found naked, and
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely, you could tell this was a violent attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing I'm just going to note here is she was sexually assaulted with like not just, I don't know, penetration, but there was evidence of even being sexually assaulted with a beer bottle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a quick crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really vicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cause of death was a fixiation combined with blunt force trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whoever did this, had tried to clean it up afterwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what investigators initially thought was, this is definitely somebody that Allison knows, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not likely that somebody just popped into her house
[SPEAKER_00]: unexpected to do this to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like this crime is very, very violent and it seems like somebody knew that she was going to be alone, somebody knew where she was, somebody then decided
[SPEAKER_00]: had the boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got cleared right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so everybody else was like, who else could do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know have any enemies.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were no angry exes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were no stalkers.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was nobody like this one lady that I just told you about on this bachelor crimes thing like, there was nobody that anybody could think that it could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: it from the outside, look like it was totally random, but like I said, like, these crimes are not typically totally random.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nobody that they had targeting women, like you kind of look if there's somebody that has been targeting women recently, or there's like, I don't know, multiple sexual assaults in the neighborhood, nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no one could really figure out who this was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scottskill, I don't know why you can't pronounce it today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Scottsdale police were working this case and one amazing detail that they did get at the crime scene was DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the attacker left biological evidence behind which think the heavens
[SPEAKER_00]: He missed some spots, which, by the way, people usually miss spots, which is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool, hard to cover every single track.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and good police work will find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really happy with the Scottsdale police in this case.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have the DNA, but when they run it through Codes, which is the FBI's combined DNA index system, they get nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, DNA doesn't belong to anyone in the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is in 2015, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So 11 years ago now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't mean that they won't ever find that person, but without a name attached to the DNA, the case just kind of goes cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 2015, 2016, 2017, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pain I can't imagine for the family is comparable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would think to that without having the closure that you need,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think it, I mean, they probably consumed their days, you know, trying to know that's to get on their own and together information and all of that would be siding everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, everybody, trusting anybody, like if not even imagine the mental toll that that would take and how do you even begin to live a normal life?
[SPEAKER_01]: you just can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in 2018, something changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, by 2018, there is relatively new investigative technique being used by law enforcement and it's called familial DNA, which we've talked about before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is new to Arizona at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: The basic idea is if your suspects DNA isn't in the database, well, maybe a relative DNA is, ooh, because family members share significant portions of their DNA and you can potentially identify a suspect by finding a close genetic match, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: turns out that this gum bag had another scumbag family member, you know what they say, birds of a feather.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Scott Stale police run the crime scene DNA through this familial search and they get a hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The DNA is a close match to an inmate in Arizona prison system in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark sitting in prison and he's not the guy, but he's really a close relative and they can figure out like they know like it's just like you know 23 and me and I'll tell you who your brother or sister are and yeah, you may never have known that you had a brother or sister, you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I probably have a few out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I probably do, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So investigators start looking into Mark Mitchum's family, and that leads them to his brother Ian Mitchum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, at the time of Allison's murder, Ian was described as a man who was going down, like down on his luck, he was angry,
[SPEAKER_00]: nothing to lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy was like in a spiral.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drank way too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had, you know, just was living the low life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he had no connection whatsoever to Allison.
[SPEAKER_00]: None.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had not known each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't
[SPEAKER_00]: They think that this could be his DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: When investigators identified Ian Mitchum as their suspect, they went looking for a way to confirm that the DNA matches his DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: And usually what they do is they will like stake out somebody's house and then wait for them to throw out their trash and then they go to the street and grab like whatever it is a cup or they'll follow like they'll get a PI or you know somebody to like follow the person around to get something of them yeah, however.
[SPEAKER_00]: they had his blood already because in January of 2015, just one month before Allison's murder, Ian Mitcham had been arrested for a DUI.
[SPEAKER_00]: And during that rat, arrest, they took his blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that blood sample was still in possession of the Scottsdale PD that's going to say what that's a long time the whole blood sample is a long time to hold a blood sample like in that normal years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so nearly they just have it in like an evidence locker of stuff like that, so we just pulled it up and saw a new day.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have his blood still from 2015.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect, let's test it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for three years, the answer was sitting in this evidence locker that was just right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So DNA at the crime scene and DNA from the known blood draw was a perfect match, case closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: except what?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you just got me all excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we caught the guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inmitions, DF defense team came out swinging and honestly, their argument wasn't frivolous.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty legitimate in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what was their argument you're wondering?
[SPEAKER_00]: Under Arizona law, that blood sample from Ian's UI arrest was supposed to be destroyed 90 days after they took it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said what the hell were they doing with his blood sample?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not have thought that you could have used a blood sample from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Long ago, but also, like, just taking a new blood sample of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you take it out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you need, like, an arrest warrant and all the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they needed to prove that, like, he, they needed to just go to his house and grab, like, his trash.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, but I think what happened was they're like, Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have his blood right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not thinking about the repercussions of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe there's not a lot of murders or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I don't know, we all make mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big mistake, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's say could I have a shoe in, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the defense argued that using that blood sample violated aliens fourth amendment rights, his protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they said the blood should have been gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should have been destroyed, and because the police kept it longer, then they were legally allowed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any evidence derived from it should be thrown out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this just makes my stomach drop, knowing that he is a killer and a monster, but also thinking that they're legally correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also like in my stupid, like, why can't you throw that out then and get different DNA?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I, that is a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: How would love an attorney to like chime in here right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's because they arrested and charged him already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so you're not going to use that blood sample.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but there's got to be something else that you can get and use legally at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is an answer to this and I know I'm not sure what it is, but you're not allowed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: With some legal knowledge, please chime in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just be like, okay, well, then give us your blood sample.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because you have to have some sort of
[SPEAKER_00]: reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't make you go down that rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just a little flower gas did over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's complicated and fascinating actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
[SPEAKER_00]: The judge in Maricopa County, Superior Court, agreed with the defense and he ruled that the DNA evidence was in admissible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do they have if there is no DNA, they don't have anything their case is weak without it and so the state appealed and in August of 2023 the Arizona Court of Appeals
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and the defense was like, oh no, so they took the Arizona Supreme Court to court and in December of 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: the Arizona Supreme Court weighed in, and their ruling was significant.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said the DNA was admissible under something called the inevitable discovery exception.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the inevitable discovery doctrine basically says, and this is kind of where you were going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if the evidence was obtained improperly, it can still be used if the prosecution can prove that the evidence would have been discovered anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said anyways through lawful means, which yes, they could just, you know, grab his trash, whatever it is, and then bring him in and then do a blood test.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So under the Arizona law, when you're a convicted convicted of a felony, your DNA is collected and then entered into the system and it's mandatory.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the court said, look, even if he had the DUI blood sample.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it had been destroyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was supposed to be in Mitchum's DNA, would have eventually ended up in the database anyways because of his later felony convictions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we would have found that his DNA match it matched it's inevitable.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the defense wasn't done.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, in February of 2025, appealed again to the United States Supreme Court, strong victim of the highest court in the land.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you still in April just last April the U.S. Supreme Court declined to actually even hear the case, which meant that the Arizona Supreme Court's ruling stood and the DNA in this case was admissible thank the heavens because I think if it wasn't admissible we wouldn't really have a trial.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we would have this really scary, scary dude out on the streets.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for whatever, whatever, which way we got it done, think the heavens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, still a jury has to say that he's the one, but come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So jury selection began in October of 2025, opening statements started in November, and the trial has been going on for months.
[SPEAKER_00]: let's see what they've been arguing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecutions case obviously is built on the DNA evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say that Ian mentioned DNA was found throughout Ellison's home, not just in one spot throughout the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to clean up the scene with bleach and that's what the boy friend smelled, but he missed some critical areas where his DNA was recovered.
[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecution says that this was a crime of opportunity that Ian was a man who was spiraling, who was drinking heavily, who was angry at the world, and just came upon Allison's home and made a decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: He broke in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He robbed her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sexually assaulted her and hammered her and he had zero connection to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was just simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my next question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like was there any connection?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean not that makes it any better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly don't mean it like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: It is one of those things where generally speaking, 90, maybe 5% of the time, there's always some sort of connection or angry with someone or a love triangle or a, it's not very often, it's like a random picking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so, and that's how the scariest part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a monster of all monsters, uh, so the defense has pointed to an alternative suspect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, his brother in jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they have like some other name, James, and I'm not even going to say his name because this is so crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a pharmacist who lives in the area and according to the defense, he was one of the last people to see Allison alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are they just like throwing spaghetti because
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he was one of the last people to see her alive, so he must be the one who did it, not the guy who has all of his DNA at the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want to like saw her last.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he won that saw her last set.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said he's made some and I'm saying this in
[SPEAKER_00]: The defense hasn't gone into extensive detail publicly, but they've argued that the investigators failed to adequately pursue all leads, including this pharmacist because they were so these are focused on this DNA match.
[SPEAKER_00]: that they called the DNA a red herring and said investigators had tunnel vision listen defense attorney ABC this DNA is DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're we're not going to.
[SPEAKER_00]: we're not going to be a flatter through on the DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Scottsdale Police has been clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no physical evidence linking the pharmacist James to Allison's murder, nine no DNA, no fingerprints, nothing placing him at the crime scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: obviously Anne's DNA is all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said at the top we are recording and closing arguments just wrapped up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are just waiting for the jury to finish deliberation and we shall probably buy Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping like even tomorrow
[SPEAKER_00]: That we're going to come back and have a guilty verdict if not, even if it hasn't even been tonight yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine like what are they?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the hangout?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have anything up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, did you ever say why his brother was in jail?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just had to carry out?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should have looked it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't look at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you work for this day?
[SPEAKER_00]: They were from like Bullhead City, Mahabi area, okay, and in graduated, I only could find a couple things about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He graduated in 1993 from high school, and he's a scary looking dude, like very scary looking guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Allison, while she was a role, disco biscuit, very pretty big big smile.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was born in 1993, grew up in Minnesota, and went to the University of Arizona after high school where she graduated from, and that's where she was a medical sales rep in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just a really cute girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did look into, I guess, one of the UPS driver or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: left his phone number for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he saw her and was like, hey, I'll take you on a date.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like cute girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She obviously had a boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day before we had Tinder and swipe left or whatever all that crap is.
[SPEAKER_00]: 2015 it was I think we had that stuff that really okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're probably right actually because that was after it started having kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was around just getting my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I will give you guys an update if this actually, if the verdict will come out, so maybe I'll just pop on here and give a little, oh, yeah, we'll see before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, scary stuff, man, this guy is a, let's hope that we need to write.
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be put away forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know who could do that to somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, yeah, let's put him away.
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