[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it's Elizabeth McGan, the holistic GLP1 podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: The secret to health in this country is to go back to eating real food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally eating greens, red, yellows, pinks, oranges, and that contains the fiber and the polyphenols that feed the bacteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you've got this innately ready to receive those things to try and react to what it can reactivate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you eat more fiber, more seasonally,
[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure that there's really good color perspective and it's from a local area Preferably organic eat real food.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very simple thing if you put it on a table And you walk out and you leave your house for three days when you come back in as that food bad Yes, that's the food you want to eat You do not want to eat the food that looks good after three days of not eating it, you know like Cheerios or so that's a very simple philosophy
[SPEAKER_02]: before you take a JLP1, you need to hear this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm seeing over and over again is women starting JLP1 medications without getting their gut health right first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: If your gut isn't in a strong place before you start even at a micro dose, this can seriously backfire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the reality is, most people's guts today are already in need of support.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you layer a GLP one on top of that, it can make things worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking bloating, constipation, inflammation, even issues like SIBO, where bacteria take over parts of your gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't belong in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is exactly why in the Holistic JLP1 method and our coaching programs, we teach how to get your gut health right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is why you're going to love today's conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're really lucky to have someone as knowledgeable in gut health and nutrition as our guest today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Oscar Cozzia is a doctor of clinical nutrition with deep expertise in gut health, metabolic health, weight loss resistance, and using functional labs and supplements to address the root cause of chronic disease.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're thinking about a GLP1, already on one, or want to stimulate GLP1 100% naturally, this episode is essential.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's dive in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Oscar Coatcia, it's such a pleasure to have you here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me, Elizabeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as I was saying before we hit record, I'm kind of fangirling out a little bit on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just your background is really awesome in terms of your expertise and nutrition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're at a moment where GLP1 medications are being used widely, but one of the foundational pieces that's often
[SPEAKER_02]: missing is gut health.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I'm seeing is that if someone's gut health and gut motility aren't in a strong place before starting, even at a low dose, and especially at higher doses, you can run into real issues from slowed motility to more serious downstream gut dysfunction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in my work, we teach that you have to heal first,
[SPEAKER_02]: microbiome, the metabolism, mindset, get your muscle right before even considering something like a GLP1.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's incredibly refreshing to have someone and you have a doctorate in clinical nutrition, so badass, because this is really your domain.
[SPEAKER_02]: So from your perspective, how important is God Health as a foundation before someone even considers using something like a GLP1?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a loaded question, but I will say I will say to you that the benefit of our industry and the benefit of what we do, you yourself in the functional space, we just learn every day, right, every day is an awakening of new information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will tell you that if you ask me this question five years ago, just about God Health as a general rule, I would have said to you, yeah, well, it's the second brain in the body of the entire nervous system.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more I dig into microbes and the specific bacteria, the more I'm starting to question that I'm more starting to wonder if it's not the first brain communicating to what we perceive as our brain, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because these microbes and we'll get into some specific microbes, but these certain microbes are so intertwined without gut lining and the communication on receptors and our gut lining.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then those receptors communicate with our immune system and then that immune system communicates back to our brain and then you get that whole back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is astounding to me and let me just explain to you from the listeners perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: My career originally started in mental health, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I worked as a psychologist and that was my background was in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then at a hospital that I worked at at that point, there was a medical doctor there by the name of Dr. Margo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a psychiatrist and this was in the 90s and he was saying to me, hey,
[SPEAKER_01]: You might want to pursue something in the future where you look at nutritional psychology.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was non-existent to anybody in the world, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking at nutrients and mental health and proteins and mental health.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, that doesn't sound like a really optimal idea because I want to pursue my PhD in psychology.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, ironically, at that particular point, my mom got ill. And then, you know, you change your path, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, this became fruitful for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the next five to ten years post that period, I started to really look at nutrients associated with mental health, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if a person has anemia, if they have a low vitamin D status, if they have low vitamin C, if they have low B vitamins, these could all correlate to what we will perceive as anxiety and depression symptomology.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I got deeper into the microbiome, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Understanding that certain bacteria produced these little aromatic amino acids, that we call trap-to-fan and tyrosine and phenolalamine, and then they convert to serotonin and dopamine, and then all of a sudden that thing just opened up a whole wide spectrum of microbes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my original interest in microbes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turn that a couple years forward where I started in my clinical practice to specialize in metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes, weight loss resistance, things like lipidema, started looking at the microbiome as it relates to weight loss, weight loss resistance cravings over eating, under eating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing that you discover is that, well, the body actually has very natural capacity getting back to your GLP1 intro.
[SPEAKER_01]: of making GLP ones in the gut?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you know, that's interesting and it doesn't just have one area.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's about five to six areas in the gut that actually makes GLP ones naturally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the listeners, I can go into each one of those specifically, but the key idea behind this is the bacteria
[SPEAKER_01]: They produced these little short chain fatty acids, which is discovery of relationship, and then these short chain fatty acids attached to these epophilia layers where we have these receptors and then these receptors is what activates our body to produce natural GLP1.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people would say, well, why would we do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we lived in a world in the old days where
[SPEAKER_01]: you didn't have a lot of food.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you ended up eating more fiber.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the key factors to creating GLP1 production by the bacteria breaking down things is fiber.
[SPEAKER_01]: So literally that's the connection between fiber and satiety and weight loss is because it actually activates these GLP1 receptors in our bodies, which is natural satiety hormones as well, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh gosh, there's so many places we can go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're describing, I love your background too, and I want to get more into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've had such a, you're such a full person.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a multi-dimensional person that we can't just put you in one box, and I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The microbiome as the first brain is fascinating, and also as an ecosystem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was recently doing an educational series and just really understanding it that way and it was so fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you speak a little bit more to that ecosystem and how a fully healthy gut can help you manage your weight and release your LP1?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go into the ecosystem because that's a phenomenal analogy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go into a garden, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're looking at soil and we're looking at plants and we're looking at fungi and bacteria, water and fertilizer and all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want you to understand that there's something that is coming on the horizon.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a paradigm shift, even the microbiome space, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The we are now starting to really look more at anaerobic bacteria,
[SPEAKER_01]: has the primary foundation of Qatar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we on the call have taken probiotics at some point in the life and probiotics work as long as you take them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You stop taking the probiotics because they transient in nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't engraft, they don't blossom in your gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: They stop having the efficacy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are hundreds and thousands of studies just going back to the mental health association that show that before the bacterium and lactobacillus and certain strains of bacteria certainly play a role with anxiety and depression.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not disputing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: but what we've discovered now in the science and the research is that there are certain strains of bacteria that live in doginaously in our guts.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're almost like an organ, more than a bacteria just hanging out in your gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: and these guys are really the foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get back to your ecosystem story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the ecosystem story with that would be the earthworms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know the earthworms are down there in the soil and they kind of going back and forth and there's actually three layers of earthworms, interestingly enough and some of them really like to live away at the bottom and they kind of feeding of what the others are providing them but also providing you know channels of fertilizing potential and water flow
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you go out there and you plant your flowers and you put the fertilizer down that would be your fiber and the foods that you eating but at the end of the day what you really need down there at the bottom of the soil and the ecosystem of the earthworms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things that are killing the earthworms in nature today would be perspesticides, herbicides, chemicals, microplastics, anything that's differentiated from natural
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, earthly involvement would actually affect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now let's put that back into the human context.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on a process diet, the fast food diet, you're drinking a lot of styrofoam plastics, you're getting all that stuff in your body that is effectively destroying your ecosystem, Keystone bacteria and remember Keystone means the arch of a building and that's stone that's in the middle if you take that stone out in the middle of the the arch, the whole thing collapses, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you really go deep now into the microbiome and excuse me, I get very excited about these things, they... Me too!
[SPEAKER_00]: I just love it all!
[SPEAKER_01]: They start to communicate with all the other microbes and they do a better job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have proper keystone commensals in your gut, if you're taking a probiotic of normal traditional transient status, it'll do a better job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now let's take a step back if we look at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just ask a question to stay there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take a probiotic.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about eating probiotic rich foods?
[SPEAKER_01]: same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the probiotic foods that you eating are still going to contain the traditional transients probiotics like an acidophilus or a bifurovacteria, the traditional aerobic bacteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, the aerobic bacteria are bacteria that can live in an oxygenated environment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for the bacteria is alive when you put it on your mouth because it's a probiotic, it's aerobic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, anaerobic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're talking about the anaerobics, which are the keystones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll get back to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can still take probiotics and also eat them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, one of the things, the probiotics will phenomenal job on mental health on immune health, but they are not like the real engine that drives it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like the battery that is in your phone is the keystone command source, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the SIM card in the phone is the keystone commensal.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the phone is all the other fancy gigs without the SIM card.
[SPEAKER_01]: The phone is very limited potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: The SIM card is what provides it with that optimization kind of a concept.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to give you another analogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's look at normal probiotics.
[SPEAKER_01]: as a group of people, like all of us, we love flowers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The colors of flowers, the center of flowers, it's just a beautiful thing to have in the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say we go out and we buy a bouquet of flowers and we put it in a vase.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is still going to be a psychological benefit to that, because we're going to smell it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks, it makes the house look happy, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: But those flowers after four or five to seven days will, you know, wilt and they will die, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is literally what a traditional probiotic is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to keep bringing new flowers in and there's nothing wrong with bringing new flowers in, but you have to keep bringing them to have the same psychological effect that you would normally have.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what if we just go plant your own flower cotton outside and then you can snap flowers from them and put it in your veins.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have a consistent flow of these flowers that
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the whole ecosystem understanding.
[SPEAKER_01]: So keystone bacteria I'm growing you own flower garden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, by our ticks you buy flowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should buy flowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's a thing that is that is that is solved many Marital problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a flower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations to a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of the day there is a purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to negate the value of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that if we give you your own flower garden and you can take care of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say that you clearly still have to take care of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just leave it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to provide it with water.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to provide with fertilizer and the right things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what am I saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying if I give you a keystone probiotic, there's a bit of them we'll get to that in a couple of minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to do the right things to feed it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to make sure that you're doing the right things to feed it, to keep it there, to keep your flower garden alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let me just, let me just insert one thing just so when people are listening, they want to know why this is so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you mentioned mental health and immune system health.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does this help with weight management?
[SPEAKER_02]: And why is someone, because they're listening and taking notes, but I really want to motivate people to know that if they're struggling with their weight,
[SPEAKER_02]: Why doing the things you're saying are going to help them so much?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that important?
[SPEAKER_01]: Many, many reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one and the most important one is that the bacteria that you're taking you've got in the form of a probiotic, whether it's aerobic or anaerobic, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of aerobic probiotic level bacteria that actually help with eating disorder or cravings, because it produces these aromatic amino acids like tryptophan, tyrosine and phenolony.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me just explain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tryptophan would convert to serotonin, happy chemical, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyrosine converts to dopamine, dopamine, the overall feel-good chemical.
[SPEAKER_01]: So naturally people
[SPEAKER_01]: Starship foods that stimulate dopamine and energy affect when they have enough natural dopamine production.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the reasons that we want more dopamine is because we're all ematly dopamine addicts.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we attach to a breast at a young baby's age, we have these receptors on our tongue that tastes the sweet milk from the mom and that creates dopamine surge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we naturally inclined to want to have dopamine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have a diet or microbes in your guts that's void of producing dopamine, your natural inflammation is to eat things that produce dopamine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, unfortunately, high fiber vegetables don't really strike dopamine, because it doesn't really get us to the point where we get that surge.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be more your pure carbohydrates.
[SPEAKER_01]: So from a weight loss standpoint, that is the biggest connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: like you actually working naturally with your neurotransmitters that then keeps you away from those addictive binge or comfort comfort is the word I was looking for the comfort eating that's a double mean thing you know a lot of people that tell me that's my comfort food
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's your dopamine food.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the food that stimulates your dopamine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's your dopamine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when we get the gut, healthy in the ways you're describing and I want you to expand on, it's easier to do the right things, to really sway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you increase your fiber for instance, let's just chat about that as well, because this ties into the whole picture of feeding these microbes number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also satiety, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So fiber is a very, very intellectual food source for the microbes in the gut, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Solable, insoluble, mostly the insoluble guys is what they kind of really utilize.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the average American today is eating about 17 grams of fiber per day, okay, just keep your idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's go back 300 years ago and sisterly and even before that the average person
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're eating 17 grams of fiber a day and your microbes survive on it, you're starving.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely starving, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you increase your fiber index to, let's say, a moderate 35 or 40 grams, which is kind of the recommendation,
[SPEAKER_01]: you're feeding your microbes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I do understand to all the listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a practitioner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just go do that immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to feel bloated.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might even be more constipated.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not your objective, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to progressively increase it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you cannot have a healthy microbiome unless you have a healthy fiber intake.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then fiber intake needs to be on a consistent basis because
[SPEAKER_01]: It's no different for that bacteria and you've got the new going out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't worked out in a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden you go run a marathon and you wonder why you so sore for three or four days.
[SPEAKER_01]: The same thing for the microbiome.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have an eaten fiber and then you send all that fiber into those microbes, they're going to be like man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Christmas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to enjoy myself, but there is residual byproducts that they produce so fibers really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want you to tell us more about the anaerobic and the keystone, but just to
[SPEAKER_02]: also let people understand because I talked to a lot of people and sometimes they think it might be their gut, but they're not sure how would someone know if they're having gut issues, especially women over 40 on a weight management, weight release journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are some of the signs that their gut isn't doing well?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to give you the simple answer on that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you love in the United States of America, even if you don't have symptoms of a gut problem, you probably
[SPEAKER_01]: because he just don't have enough fiber, you know, in our diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's take it two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's take it from a symptom, traditional base.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what are some of the things that you can look at?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you eating foods that blow to you, disdain you, you have constipation, you have motility issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have seeing your constipated.
[SPEAKER_01]: You constipated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are having issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it are irritable bowel, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just how do people know and then and then and again, I want to hear about the solution and I know people are taking notes and guys you should really listen because we're going to really go over we are going over and we'll continue to go over some really helpful things you can apply.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do people test for gut issues like how well how do they really know and I know you've got a big background in in functional testing even with AI which is so interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so look, one thing you have to understand traditional medicine is really very good at figuring out what disease you have, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun medicine is more good at figuring out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you progressing towards a disease?
[SPEAKER_01]: I always explain it to people that diseases kind of like the red in the light.
[SPEAKER_01]: Optimal health is the green and yellow is the limbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So most people are kind of in the limbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for the limbo testing, you should go for functional testing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you look in your area in California as rampant to that, functional professionals, they normally going to do a GI map or a GI FX or some sort of a functional
[SPEAKER_01]: where you can look at the kind of how close as you've got to an optimal health status.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that test is going to evaluate how well are you breaking down fibers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have enough stomach acid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which opportunistic bacteria do you have opportunists or bacteria that should be there?
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they are an overgrowth, they become a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to put your commensals, the traditional good guys, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at your pathogen, do you have any really bad players in the equation?
[SPEAKER_01]: So all, and then some fungal assessment, and all that information is going to give a clear picture of Elizabeth's problem of starting with a fungal overgrowth and CS203 opportunistic bacteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: The person on the call, Joanne, might have no opportunistic bacterial overgrowth that she's extremely low in digestive enzymes, so she suffers from something that we call dyspiosis issues, right, or digestive dyspiosis issues, so she's just not producing enough stomach acid or patriotic enzymes to help her break down the things, to help the microbes eat them a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's one key of information that you can walk away from,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's well worth a $2 or $300 to spend on these tests.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go look at what's going on in your gut so that you can have the right approach because the probiotics, the fiber intake, the supplement recommendation, might be a little different.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not really a part from the enros, which we'll get back to.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not really a one-shot science in probiotics space.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know this is a bit of a tangent, but it's worth inserting here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is gut health such a blind spot in conventional medicine?
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked to a lot of people, they know it's their gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell them, we gotta work on your gut before you're gonna, the doctor's gonna prescribe you a low dose gel p1, you gotta get that right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't even, their doctors don't even know how to really guide them there.
[SPEAKER_02]: How would they, why is this such a blind spot?
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what, that's a, that's a really good question, I have no idea because if you go back to pediatric medicine and the old days doctors used to look at poop to be turning out for the baby, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dogs and animals are very acutely aware of when they poop and a lot of people are very offended by that, but the dog turns around and snuff certain, you know, they walk away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very intuitive understanding that they need to eat grass because they constipate that you've seen that with animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we've completely lost that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even in the medical community, we've lost that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's an e-key discussion problem or what it is, but literally we've completely lost our way there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the first thing I do when I went to a vet and it wasn't even a holistic vet.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're, I was having an issue with my dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, what are you, what are you feeding your dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the first question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know, this is so refreshing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if our doctors asked us this?
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So someone who goes to their, their general practitioner and they want to test their gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would they ask specifically?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, unfortunately, I'm not sure that the general practitioner is going to know anything about these testing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not to take anything away from the traditional medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just not trained in this area.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you probably want to investigate a MD or a natural path or somebody with functional background.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of them out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No practitioners, nutritionists or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what you need to ask them for is you want to do a functional stool test.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do a functional stool test.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see what's going on with my gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even go Google functional stool test is a couple of laboratories that would come up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, they might be even able to refer you because you need to go to a professional to get these tests done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't necessarily have to be an M.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most registered or licensed nutritionists can do this even some health coaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: or able to do these kinds of tests because they're not diagnosing disease.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're biagnosing nothing but how close are you to the optimization of your health, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes them unique in that category.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for explaining that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I know I'm taking you all over the place.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, maybe let's go into the keystone, the solution, this anaerobic,
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back a little bit in history again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so maybe this analogy works best.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go back maybe 500 years, a lot of people were were running around in their guts with worms.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that sounds disgusting and protests.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these are very unique organisms that we don't have an out guts anymore because of sterility antibiotics, just the whole modernization.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody's like, oh, thank goodness, you know, we don't have any worms or protests.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've got, uh, also called helmets, uh, there's actually therapy for some people with real gut problems to actually plant those into the gut to heal it, but let's just take a step back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what did that course?
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say I remove 30% of the microbiome because of, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: evolution or natural evolution or unnatural evolution, however you want to look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I've got this 30% space that's open in my gut, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this 30% space that's open in my gut is called a niche area.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now one of two things can happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good guys can grow there.
[SPEAKER_01]: or bad guys can grow there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But why would good guys grow there if we have 17 grams of fiber a day in our diet?
[SPEAKER_04]: Which isn't enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to more be the bad guys, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because these anaeropes, these non-anerobic strains of opportunistic and pathogens, they don't care about anaerobic status, they can grow in oxygen, so they're good to come in with the other guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is now you're going to get a fungal overgrowth, we get people with small intestinal bowel overgrowth, you know, all these bizarre, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: These bizarre bacteria that's now overgrowing in the gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the next attack?
[SPEAKER_01]: We give you more antibiotics and more antimicrobial.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we're doing, we just opening up the niche space again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So go back to your ecosystem analogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think of the gut this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go to a piece of land that has been affected by
[SPEAKER_01]: pesticide on herbicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the first thing that grows back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Weets.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like weeds would start coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the interesting thing about evolution and nature is that those weeds aren't bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those weeds are actually coming up to re-it-night the soil and make the environment good again because they vary resilient, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They can grow through roads and
[SPEAKER_01]: and tarmac and things, so it's a very resilient thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the purpose of the weed is to go back into the soil and change the pH and bring bugs and things that can refer to lies.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sweat, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say we're looking at a stool test and we're looking at opportunistic bacteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't look at bacteria in the stool test anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh my goodness, you have an overgrowth of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking that as a weed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that weed growing there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the best way to get rid of the weed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not glyphosate, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not spraying it with what we think we should spray it, but you bring in other guys that start symbiotically working with them and then you will see the weed start to diminish.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the gut is exactly the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The answer to the problem of the
[SPEAKER_01]: is really to crowd them out with the good guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not to kill them more and create more of a niche space.
[SPEAKER_01]: You understand, we try to get rid of the space that we've created in modern society.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you said there is really profound.
[SPEAKER_02]: So instead of just trying to nuke the bad guys, we crowd them out with the good guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm now going to tell you a very interesting story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been working with anaerobic strains for several months now as a company and myself personally, I'm very involved with the research of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just published a peer-reviewed article on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as working with this patient, I'm a big believer in publishing peer-reviewed case reports,
[SPEAKER_01]: So this person came to me with severe food sensitivity, couldn't eat anything, bloated with everything, and nothing really worked, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he did the traditional anti-microbial brewed, then fell better for a week, then, you know, the same things came back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I said, listen, this is the hypothesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the whole story behind Anna Robes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me give you this Anna Robes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what happens, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we did a pre-imposed stool test on her, so I have the information, and this is available for anybody to go read because it's open access or equal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So literally we found that she had massive overgrowth of this one opportunistic bacteria, and I gave her a very high buturate producing anaerobic strain of bacteria, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to make a long story short.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the most astounding thing for me is that the food allergies went away, which is great, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the main thing that she cared about.
[SPEAKER_01]: She could now drink dairy and eat gluten and didn't have bloating or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the most important thing for me, Elizabeth, is that she literally, with this one strain of anaerobic, completely crowded out the opportunists that I wasn't even planning to, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to work with this beauty rate thing to help the sensitivity of the food thing and then this came about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we like, wow, this is very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start running more of this on more people and this is the pattern that we're starting to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even in the natural way of gut treatment, you can still do anti-microbeals, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the anti-microbeals are maybe less harmful than antibiotics, but it's still creating the niche space.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: But can you just anti-microbials for people that probably don't know what that is?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a form of treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean exactly?
[SPEAKER_01]: Goal it a natural antibiotic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it uses more natural things like wormwood and black walnut and garlic and all these natural things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're still antimicrobials.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're taking an antimicrobial or an antibiotic, so look at it as a less pharmaceutical
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will still use it in certain cases, but you still look the whole idea behind this talk today is I want people to walk away and understand that you have this gap in your got this niche space you can fill it with good guys or with bad guys it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Rubio's you use the bigger the gap gets I see so instead of just trying to kill it with an antibiotic which we can say is a true nuke and then an antimicrobial is is a more natural way of doing the same thing correct, but it causes a space and the space itself is the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: In very layman's explanation, it's not like you have a centimeter space in you got, but you understand what I'm saying, you carry out the system space in you got.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah theoretically that's exactly what we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm telling you and maybe it's worth nothing, but I think we're on top of a massive paradigm shift because we have now figured out as a world how to produce anaerobic bacteria in a supplement form because it was never done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the reason for that is because anaeropes, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not liking oxygen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can imagine if you're making a capsule for the lay person and you're putting a power in a capsule, you're exposing it to oxygen as soon as you expose these things to oxygen, they die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so with much smarter people than myself, people with five pens in their pocket standing and labs and figuring all very complicated things out, they've now figured out a way to put these things in a supplement form that we can give you the seed to put your gut and then plant your own flower garden.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so exciting and I want to expand on that a little bit, not only will that help heal their gut in a really powerful way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will help them stimulate GOP one naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll help their metabolism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would someone want to do that on a GOP one journey?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's get right into the real deep hardcore GLP one discussion now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody has heard of something called acrimansia, macenophilia, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell us more because maybe everyone's heard of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So acrimansia is promoted pretty heavily in media and social media as a natural GLP one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the reason for that is the following.
[SPEAKER_01]: Acromancy is a keystone bacteria that they have now encapsulated in an anaerobic state.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you can take that in it's an anaerobic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, acromancy produces two very important short chain fatty acids, and I'm going to get a little technical here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one's called Proprionate, and the other one's called Acete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then there's another one called Buterate, but that's not acromancy as gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's other microbes gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll get back to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this acetate and propryenate, now you're taking this probiotic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets down and you've got to negate to something called the epophilia layer, which is your gut lining and it falls onto something called an alcel, and when it gets in there, the best propryenate and acetate bind to a receptor there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like kind of a docking station, and it's called a GPR 41 and a GPR 43 receptor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gail P1.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much so that I was hearing a doctor that I respect talk about people that sometimes get stuck on a Gail P1 journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: They stop getting the results and that's probably for other things we're going to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're they're feeling stuck when they take the right probiotics and when I'm hearing anaerobic ones, they they start to begin to release weight again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, because you naturally producing GLP ones, GLP ones have multitude of positivity, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Satiety, it affects the brain in a positive way, because you're not going to have, you know, any of those normal, binge-related things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing that comes
[SPEAKER_01]: with this is the other aspects of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that you have better functionality down there in the Keystone categories, more of the short chain fatty acids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the other probiotics start doing their job better.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start extracting nutrients better.
[SPEAKER_01]: They give you better assimilation of what you would normally eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to feel more saturated because most people
[SPEAKER_01]: eat a lot and binge eat a lot because of the dopamine discussion earlier, but also because they are not absorbing and extracting nutrients.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the body's salularity is always starving, according to them, even though they weigh a certain amount, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that if the microbiome is properly controlled with all the GLP ones, areas, and I'll tell you the rest of them in a second,
[SPEAKER_01]: you're not going to have the cravings and metabolically, metabolically.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's about five strains of keystones, but control 85% of metabolic expression in the body to follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, that's so huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just say that again, because that's a mic drop moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's five, there's five strains that have been researched by the interrobes of which a command here's one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: express 85% of all metabolic factors in your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anything that has to do with glycolysis, gluconeogenesis, making energy, burning fat, metabolism, that's what they control.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the things you need to be able to release weight release, yeah, and keep it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you got to keep going because I'm hearing you say that you have have developed a keystone probiotic that works really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we we developed a keystone probiotic that we launching next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, are you going to have to bring me back because I can't release those ingredients yet to you today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you can't you hold the Oh, gosh, well, you're definitely going to have to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they are very similar to the acrimansia category, right now what one one strain I can talk to you about that we've already released.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh it's called anaerostepis.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one I was talking to about with a woman that had the allergies that we reversed all her, her, her genetic overgrowth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now buturate buturate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is another fatty acid, sourcing fatty acid that's produced by these anaeropes in buturate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot begin to tell you how many functions that has on metabolism, but also on the immune system, food sensitivities, and gut-leakiness, or gut-pring ability, or leaky gut, you know, as most of the listeners might know about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's actually the one that fixes, fixes that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: When buying that strain with the other five strains, you literally have
[SPEAKER_02]: your gut health works really well and therefore your cravings go down therefore your metabolism works better therefore you've set the foundation if you want to micro dose or take a very low dose which I recommend with your doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to work so much better because you've healed your gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, let's say hypothetically, people are on GLP ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are certain things that they can also do from a non-microbiome standpoint that will help them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because look, a lot of GLP ones create a reasonable amount of muscle mass loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you want to focus on things that you can stimulate muscle mass and less catabolism, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was within the end of the day what GLP ones do is they upregulate several pathways
[SPEAKER_01]: Now imagine I say to you, okay, I'm going to give you race feeling your car, go drive it as hard as you can, but at no point are you coming back in for a service to me to look at if you burning that engine to pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So being low in B vitamins, you end up being low in vitamin C, you end up being low in collagen precursors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the stuff that starts to affect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people want to know what is the connection between GLP ones and some of the things that they see or the negative side effects that they read about, it has more to do with what they are burning out and have less off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are mostly
[SPEAKER_02]: Why nutrition is so important and why you need the test to see how your micronutrients are doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just take this super dose and burn out your whole system and wonder why you're having problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a way to test for your micronutrient profile?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do you recommend for that?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's several tests.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually micronutrient tests that are out there that you can do a blood draw and see what your red blood cell count is on on on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's less invasive things that you can do as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a very specific test actually that you can do and I'm sure some of the listeners might have heard of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called an organic acetest or a metabolomic test.
[SPEAKER_01]: So an organic acetest is measuring
[SPEAKER_01]: all the pathways that the GLP ones are really upregulating or the GLP ones are supercharging.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's looking at glycolysis, keto genesis, gluconeo genesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: All these pathways that produce energy and make our bodies burn effectively is what those things are upregulating.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can see when the body is getting to a point of
[SPEAKER_01]: over stimulation that they might need nutrients.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we do know is that when we see a certain marker in the test going offline, then we know that there's nutrients associated with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's another way that you can determine if you're deficient in those nutrients.
[SPEAKER_02]: So helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you had to simplify it for someone who's like, okay, I probably have got issues and as you're pointing out, most people do, if you're eating a standard American diet or even if you're eating healthy, it's probably you're not getting enough fiber.
[SPEAKER_02]: And before you have some gut issues, if you had to simplify it, what are the best practices for actually healing your gut?
[SPEAKER_02]: And what if you don't have time to do all the testing, you just want to do your best with the tools you have available to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I have said this to many people and a lot of my students at university because I teach at several.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said to them, listen, don't give out the secret, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're not going to be even business very long.
[SPEAKER_01]: The secret to health in this country is to go back to eating real food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like literally eating greens, red, yellows, pinks, oranges because that's less than 70% of the population do not eat enough of those colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that contains the fiber and the polyphenols that feed the bacteria, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So in Italy and you've got, unless there's a very detrimental reason, you've got
[SPEAKER_01]: is innately ready to receive those things to try and reactivate what it can reactivate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at level one, if you eat more fiber, more seasonally, make sure that your plate is, if you eating animal protein, but there's really good color perspective and it's from
[SPEAKER_01]: a local area, preferably organic, but if a copy organic, you know, not everybody can afford or organic eat real food.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very simple thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you put it on a table and you walk out, you leave your house for three days when you come back in, is that food bad?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's the food you want to eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do not want to eat the food that looks good after three days of not eating it, you know, like Cheerios or so that's a very simple philosophy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's going to be like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're ready at the 40, 50 grams of fiber.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you eating three whole meals a day, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the simplest solution.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's not the quickest solution, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, it's going to take a little bit of time to get your metabolism up and get used to not eating the pizza and the coke every now and then, you know, to get that whole thing because you have to be pretty on spot with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second thing that I would throw into the equation right now is don't go necessarily on lots of
[SPEAKER_01]: I would literally go on these anaeropes, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we all need of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can go on these anaeropes, it's going to set the stage for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you start eating more vegetables to seed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So please let me just add one other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Normal probiotics do not engraft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Means that they don't really ever plant a seed.
[SPEAKER_01]: anaeropes in graft.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the beautiful thing about this is if I give you these anaeropes, so let's save three months and you eat right 80% of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to plant a flower garden.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to start doing their own things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not going to have to take the probiotic for the rest of your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say you go on vacation for three weeks to the Bahamas and all you eat is complete rubbish and you drink a lot of alcohol.
[SPEAKER_01]: then for the next two months when you come back, start taking the probiotic again to compensate for for some of the things that you've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you make proper adjustments to your diet and you take these anoropes and then feed the little fibers and things into the equation, it's pretty resilient.
[SPEAKER_01]: These microbes have been around for millions of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to live, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not inclined to want to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you give them the right environment, they're going to flourish.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to raise it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, there's so much there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so where do people get these anaerobics?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, you mentioned acrimansia, which people, it's in that people can find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The ones you're talking about, you're developing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, no, they've ever really been developed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the middle of the finalization of intellectual properties and publications and research and that kind of stuff that we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to be available very shortly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: four weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to, you're going to have to send me the link.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where people can find it because this, this podcast will obviously be published probably in the next month, but um, it'll be living on forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'd make sure that because people are going to want to find those.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also that really cool article and studies you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know people like to nerd out on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be happy to provide you with all that fuel listener.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the one that we already have out is called Anero Stepi.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's spelled like Anero, A-N-A-E-E-R-O-S-T-I-P-S. Anero Stepi's that is the big, buturate producing, one that we've published now on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been in the literature.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's an interesting story about that microbe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that
[SPEAKER_01]: specific anaerobic bacteria was discovered in babies that didn't have cow allergies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they literally looked at the microbiome of babies with cow milk allergy and ones without cow milk allergy and they discovered this one strain of anaerostopiece decay, which is an anaerobic commensal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, well, you know, this thing, there's no baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they started doing animal studies on at the now's kind of, you know, turned into the human trials.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're actually really helping food sensitivities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not going to say unaflectic at this point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very scary area to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if first people have food sensitivities, food intolerances, they can't tolerate foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a really good way to start, because it's not so much the pull that you swallowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what it produces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the bacteria that produces the buterate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the difference between that and a normal buterate supplement is that this thing makes the buterate once it's planted itself in your gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you have a permanent factory of buterate that helps the intestinal lining and that's what gives you not food allergies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, and spood out food sensitivities, um, really caused people a lot of grief.
[SPEAKER_02]: People like can't eat gluten.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't eat dairy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't eat this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't eat that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have all this bloating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so just having something that could really get to the root cause of it is so powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want, I want to talk about something that really stood out to me about your background.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I believe it's in your earlier career.
[SPEAKER_02]: You worked as a drug and alcohol counselor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not getting that right, which is such a cool background and I think that perspective is incredibly relevant right now because we're seeing that GLP one medications actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's the food noise, but we're also seeing it impact addictive behaviors more broadly, whether that's emotional eating alcohol or compulsive patterns.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you see JLB ones fitting into the addiction conversation?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you view them as a powerful tool?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's not a good idea for that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's an interesting question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not heard
[SPEAKER_01]: that approach, you know, on it because I've been out of that part of the industry for many years, but it would make sense to me because GLP ones also work on those same receptors, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They work on the GPR-43 and 41 receptors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would make sense to me because those receptors have many technicals.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go into several areas of mental health.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go into several areas of a
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have very long, so if there's this some immune cells that have those same receptors, there's some brain cells that have those same receptors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would make sense to me that they would be positivity in that, but then you can take a step back and say, yeah, but that's also the reason that when people eat
[SPEAKER_01]: really good food and good quality food, they also seem to be at a better mental state.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now let me explain to you why I say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I was in that industry, there was research done at some point in a juvenile prison where they literally looked at changing the diet of prisoners.
[SPEAKER_01]: by going more whole food.
[SPEAKER_01]: And within two to three months there was less aggression, less anger, less depression, less violence, just eating whole food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the secret is, go school, get a doctor, tell people to eat real food and you look really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I cannot tell you how true that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I have seen miracles in my life by eating whole food.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: and maybe in the mid-2000s, where I brought in, I don't know, must have been, I don't mean, well over 200 people over six months into a program where I controlled their exercise, so I didn't want them to go out to gyms, they worked out three days a week, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave them a whole food diet, so I had local restaurants cook at,
[SPEAKER_01]: in the locations that we were at, or alternatively, they could cook to foods themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was literally a whole food diet based on metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes, all the stuff that the GLP ones going for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the carbohydrate lower glycemic?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, whole food.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually have, I have this published in a general article as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd actually publish this, this whole research.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I thought I was really cool in those days, so I reversed metabolic syndrome
[SPEAKER_01]: I must be the shopper student in the world because you know, I figured this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only now that I know why it really worked, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason that it worked is that the diet was so diverse and so full of colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: That I obviously activated the anaeropes to grow at a higher level.
[SPEAKER_01]: The diet was higher and fiber.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it really had nothing to do with calories or this food or that food.
[SPEAKER_01]: generated natural GLP ones and how those people were then able to be more more in a state of satiety.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be now and in those days I put it together because I looked at all the research on cholesterol and triglycerides and what the foods are on brown rice was a big one and vegetables and Mediterranean diet as you all know, you know, played a major role
[SPEAKER_01]: What I did to the microbiome, and when I designed the program, I didn't design around a microbiome at all, I designed it around fiber and colors and food, but not understanding what I understand now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've incorporated that.
[SPEAKER_01]: into my program still.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I literally have a 21-day diet that was designed and it has all sorts of vegetables and fruits and colors and very specific eaten patterns in it, all glycemicly control.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that seems to get people on the path of weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: So weight loss resistance was a very big part of my practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably the major income part of my practice at one point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you've ever heard of a conditional Elizabeth called Lepadena.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people in our community are working with that, healing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tell me more and define it for people that don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Lepidema, you know, so let's say I took in my case study was published on 77 people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually took 77 people of a 12, 12 weeks and reversed all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But after that success of that clearly I got a lot of people in the program and I would say about three to four percent of the people that came into that program did not have the weight loss progress that the other ones had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I started to really dig into that and I found some genetic associations to these individuals because I also sometimes run genes on people and discovered that there's a unique genetic composition for people with lipidema.
[SPEAKER_01]: So lipidema is a condition for the listeners of that person that you know that each five to six hundred calories a day and gains three to six pounds a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: they cannot lose the weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the more they collorically restrict themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: the worst the situation gets.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did also visibly show up on their body as lipidema and absences like pockets of fat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's their lymphatic system that isn't working properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you hit the nail on the head there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally a leaking lymphatic system.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the cause of the lipidema because lymph fluid induces fat cell growth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I take lymph fluid and I put it in in culture or on a human cell,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so just so people really can have a picture of this, because we might be talking in ways they don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: The listener doesn't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you can visually see lip and dim on someone, their legs might look like there's large fat deposits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Heavy, how would you describe it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's large.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be in a probably more critical way, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you go to Walmart or you go to Target.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you go to any of these stores, and you see a person,
[SPEAKER_01]: that you perceive as them eating tons of food and they just look completely out of proportion.
[SPEAKER_01]: They almost look like a Michelin man, you know, where there's all these pockets of fat.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't seem to have ankles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're riding one of these carts.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a lipidema patient, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't think that you can really look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is, you know, when babies grow up, they don't have like bones in their ribs.
[SPEAKER_01]: look like their hands stuck into their arm and you have that little fat-puffy layer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally lipidema patients have a similar appearance in their hands and their ankles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't have impulse, they really have just the fat deposit that looks like the foot to stuck in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a very good reason for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because lipidema patients actually produce fat cells very similar to babies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember when babies produce fat cells, if a baby produced fat cells,
[SPEAKER_01]: um, during the baby period in adulthood, they'd weigh 600 pounds because they're both, um, forms of fat cells, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hypertrophic and and hyperplastic fat cells.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like the body reverts back to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it starts to produce all these fat cells and the reason for that is probably the lymphatic leakage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and is it a gut issue?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, or is it a metabolic issue?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it, it's a combination of both?
[SPEAKER_01]: Both are probably systemic
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at lipidema patients as the canaries in the coal mine, you know, the canaries used to be taken in the coal mine and when there was, you know, lack of oxygen, they died first.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, lipidema patients are literally the people that are most sensitive to salt, they're most sensitive to artificial sweetens, they're most sensitive to all processed foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they literally show it a lot quicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a massive condition of inflammation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also genetically somewhat predisposed, but that doesn't mean that if you have the genes that you have to end up with lipidema.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's five phases in lipidema.
[SPEAKER_01]: And generally speaking, when you get beyond phase three, it's really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: to do anything with it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first three phases is normally starts from the waist down, you'll see the changes in the legs and the ankles, and then it goes up, it's just strange.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it starts waist down and then it goes the other way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and so in your research and work, you're seeing gut health improvement and metabolic health improvement will help lipidema.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I wrote a hypothesis paper on Lepadema as well at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am now starting in my Lepadema patients to integrate anaerobic treatment because I haven't done that in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my hypothesis on that would be, look, they very permeable individuals.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we can fix the permeability, then maybe we can reduce the inflammation that would definitely help the weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the interesting thing about Lepidema patients, and this is really a very frustrating thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people would look at a Lepidema patient and assume that that person is lying, they're eating chocolate in, you know, behind everybody's back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They literally, the most compliant dedicated patients I've ever worked with in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: They literally will not cheat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they finally walk into your office and they say, listen, I know you look at me and you think I cheat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing I said to them is, I know you're not cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the emotional thing that opens them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They finally have somebody that believes them because what's the point of continuing if everybody tells them that they lying about what they're eating?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a growing issue and people think it's only woman-based.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a hormonal trigger there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes in Perry Menopause or things like that that it might trigger, but it's also in men, you know, are very high in estrogen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's an estrogen component too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I literally could just talk to you about we haven't even gone into metabolic health.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all gut health is related to metabolic health.
[SPEAKER_02]: As you just said, there's five major, what did you call them anaerobic keystone back here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a five percent of metabolism.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason that we know that is that's research that was done in Canada on the microbiome to look at specific species and what they express and what metabolic pathways they express.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they'd figure it out that these particular strains that we've put in this commensal, and we didn't just do it for weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't just do it for GLP-1.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the intent.
[SPEAKER_01]: The intent of this probiotic is to re-establish what we've taken out in modern society.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always try and tell people that it's the perfect probiotic for an imperfect world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're going with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that that's going to be the final one and the answer to everything But it's certainly going in the direction of Anoropes and that's to be if you want to fix the gut 100% and a holistic approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that that's what this podcast is It's a holistic approach to health certainly but a holistic approach to weight management to releasing
[SPEAKER_02]: And it all ecosystem, it's something that all works together.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're coming to the end of our time and I always like to have people be able to apply stuff they learn here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely if I know you're a busy guy, but I definitely would love to bring you back and talk more about all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So but for just it felt like a lot of what we talked about was improving gut health and how that can improve the metabolism as well as the gut and the whole body.
[SPEAKER_02]: supplements.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know we're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you had to give someone a protocol of what they could apply today, how would you write that out?
[SPEAKER_01]: before the gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the gut, yeah, just to get that gut foundation right, so that when they, if, and they may never need to take a JLP1 because of it, and I really want people to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If, when you do all the right things, you may not need a JLP1, but if you still want a JLP1 and you want to get your gut and metabolism going, what would you suggest as a protocol?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to selfishly suggest that they take the probiotic that we're launching and I and I know that's a horrible bias and it comes across as that, but I'm I think hopefully one thing that this audience can pick up on is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been in this industry for 25 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get super excited about a lot of things, but this is really opened my eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so one more thing I would say so you say what would be the perfect recommendation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say we launched this product in four weeks, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go to designs for health.com or your listeners, keep your eyes open in the next two to three weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see it on the front page.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: New novel probiotic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once that is there,
[SPEAKER_01]: order it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time what you do is there is a prebiotic or a green supplement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you go by essential greens and reds from us or you buy like greens and red powder from a whole food store that is like dehydrated vegetables, what we found is that when we take that
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, giving them the food that they need to go in there and bury them borrow themselves into the earthworm category, and they can feed of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm working with this Lepadema group, because it's actually a group that I'm going to do this work with is I'm literally going to give them the anaerobic strain and I'm going to give them this essential greens and reds products that we have unflavered like it has no flavor, you throw it on a smoothie, you put it on your food, you put it on your salad, whatever you want to do, take that together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we pre-imposed measure your microbes and see where they come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the work that we're doing is we actually worked with laboratories to see what fiber, what polyphenol is feeding this and we're finding information that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the next thing that I'm going to come back and talk to you about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just all fiber works for every pro-anero, some anoropes like very particular colors and some don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're getting to the point where we're starting to understand that dynamic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point for simplification, that's where I'll start if you wanted to go with anorobic.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are launching, by the way, by itself,
[SPEAKER_01]: ProGLP1, that is a product that we are launching.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is one that is specifically focused on what everything that we spoke about today.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go with a probiotic that's working with pure GLP1, GPR4341, all those fancy terms that I mentioned today.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to commence so you're also going to have that as an attribute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know, and this might be something that we can talk about in the next time I bring you on sooner rather than later it would get it people aren't talking enough about how to get off of a GLP one how to use it as just a tool to get a certain result to kind of bolster you I call them training wheels to get you to where you want to be but the training wheels are designed to come off and I imagine when you're doing all the right things is you're outlining your bodies healthy enough that it doesn't need need to be on external.
[SPEAKER_02]: jump one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not for not for everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are people just again, it's the spectrum, but for for a large set of the population, they they don't need to be on them for life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, if if a lover deem a patient comes to me with a life that they've led and they can't lose weight, they tell me they're going to go on a GLP one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to support that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like because that person's been running around with 400 pounds of weight on their body and it's a
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pick a date, I'll come back on because at that point we're going to have launch and I can be completely transparent with everything, but I can also share with your listeners at that point, when you're on a GLP one, I have a protocol and you get off a GLP one, I have a protocol, so basically there is these nutrients that I was talking about that you are burning out because you are up regulating that pathway to maintain this weight loss that you're getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Learning out certain things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's make sure that they are there while you're taking the GLP one and then when you go off the GLP one There's certainly certain things that you want to do because there is always that rebound period, right where
[SPEAKER_01]: The body is like, whoa, where did that go?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, you know why I don't have that artificial stimulation because now as good as the drug is in its results, it's an artificial mechanism.
[SPEAKER_01]: anti the use of it for people that really are at the frustration level just understand the compia permanent solution because at some point you're going to get to a very catabolic state and you will lose a lot of muscle and that's not truly weight loss, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a difference from me between catabolic and anabolic weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people's like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, anabolic weight loss means to me that you're losing muscle as part of the total weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's somewhat inevitable in a progression, but not at the rate that some of this is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anabolic, sorry, that was catabolic weight loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anabolic weight loss is more, hey, you know, I've lost a couple of pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: My pants size is a little bit smaller, my belt size is a little bit less, but I've got more muscle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, why that much less, but I look a lot thinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the muscle, everybody knows that muscle is heavier than fat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always said to my patients.
[SPEAKER_01]: Skinny fat person, skinny fat people, look fatter than heavy lean people, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So people with with musculature are never light.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't want to scale and sell my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have athletes, female athletes that weigh 130, athletically, that you would think they weigh 112.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because of the sinewy musculature that they gain, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do also believe the psychology if you want to talk about that about weight loss, we've completely lost our minds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have this idea of what we perceive a healthy person to be, and I'm gonna conclude it with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: some of the most unhealthy individuals I've ever worked with in my life, and this is going to come a shock to a lot of people, or professional athletes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they look, ripped, beautiful, as the physique I've never seen worse guts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen worse absorption, especially if they in the overtrain state, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when we're getting to the period where they're overtrained and undenourished.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can take that discussion a little bit deeper.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the visual appearance is sometimes not always the answer to optimization of health.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can go one of two ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to look perfect and get an order of immune disease?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you want to look decent in shape?
[SPEAKER_01]: but not like the Herkilian athlete, you know, there's research that's been done on athletes, especially with endurance athletes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they found that it's a very high rate of autoimmune disease after retirement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like long distance runners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the very catabolic kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they look bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually, though, you can usually, they don't look healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay, gosh, we could talk about that for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're pointing at like people like I'm picturing like MMA fighters that build all their muscle and then cut weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're doing exactly exactly exactly them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, those type of people are they might look like
[SPEAKER_02]: amazing muscle people, but they're under the hood, they're, they're, they're, they have bad health.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the MMA fighter 20 years from now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You what he looks like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let me look at the bodybuilders, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And see what they look like 20, 30 years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This permanent damage that sometimes that can come in, and we can have a very long discussion on overtraining high-provenalins when you body is
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, exercising, and this is why my program, I only did it three times a week, exercising every day for the weekend warrior, sometimes drives more weight loss resistance than weight loss.
[SPEAKER_02]: As of cortisol.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just have issues because it's a fight of flight when you exercise new copy and rest and digest right so you literally not absorbing all this stuff at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, that would be a good podcast to bring you back on the right way to exercise because that's such a big piece and getting good result for GLP ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, we covered some ground for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said in the beginning, we'll go in some rabbit holes when you interview me, going to go into rabbit holes right because those are the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, knowing that we're going to, well, this will be a to be continued.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me what you're most excited about where people can find you online because I know they're going to be very curious and we're going to put all all your stuff in the show notes, but tell me more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so again, I'm probably most excited for the downstream tentacle effect of where anaeropes are going to take us in mental health, athletic health, gastrointestinal health, longevity.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Next time when we come back, we'll talk about fickle transplantation and where modern you know, anaerobes are as it relates to that whole science.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to see that there's very, very clear buoyant indication that proper anaerobic strains of bacteria can probably help aging.
[SPEAKER_01]: process because we are reinstituting stronger, more vibrant younger guts, you know, into our bodies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, that is the thing that is literally in everything that I've done and I look at everything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have doctoral students at university level, I teach medical students, I write research papers, I'm involved with the research in the microbes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, one other thing I just discovered
[SPEAKER_01]: microplastics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, Tom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're in every place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Indochronic disruptors really mess with our guts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guess what we're starting to discover is the antidote to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What anaerobes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they they they they reject them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They buy a phone them and get them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be another component that these things are really good for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are going to say, well, you know, you're trying to say that you have this magic thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: These anaerobes are not new to our bodies, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're supposed to be in your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're supposed to be in your body at 10,000 years ago, and they're supposed to be in your body now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm telling you is nothing new to the ecosystem of the gut, is new is the fact that we don't have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no one does.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way to get them natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, naturally, you could say is a form of a supplement because you're putting them in there, but actually we have them through birth and, you know, all that kind of stuff, but if you don't compromise, you're going to be proc compromised, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we don't have is the environment where these guys used to flourish in 200, 300 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can reestablish that environment and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: they'll just come back, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they literally hiding out like in hibernation just waiting for you to do the right things to come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So please understand that these anaerodes are not bacteria in the sense of the word.
[SPEAKER_01]: They literally like an organ system.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like along.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like a kidney.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like what am I leaving out here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Heart, you know, they absolutely an essential component of what makes your body work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our world has reduced our ability to keep them thriving.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we are able to somehow re-institute that now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And where can people find you online?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you go to Designs for Health, you know, I'm the vice president of education there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you Google my name, I'll show up everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, at the University of Bridgeport, Georgetown University, Maryland University of Integrative Health, Notre Dame, I'm involved with most of those schools, for a mot teaching standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible not to get me if you Google me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, if any of these people want to reach out about these products,
[SPEAKER_01]: By all means, you know, shout out to you, I'll make sure that you have all the information as it comes about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, our company is a practitioner-based company, so we only sell through people like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't sell directly to the end-consumer, especially these.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anybody that goes online and puts in their zip code can find a practitioner that can help them with all of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I'm constantly building out programs for our community.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll just have to love to be able to loop your products in as like what we recommend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm just absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can take that offline and I can help you, you know, obviously do what you need to do to be able to get these products to your your patients and your users and everybody else would really love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like what do it does, no I can't do it