[SPEAKER_01]: What's up everybody?
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to base and I've got a dreamcast on my podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just viewing in an ad references from years ago for the whole podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh jeez.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, what's up, everybody?
[SPEAKER_03]: How are we doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, dude, it's good to see you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen you so long.
[SPEAKER_03]: So much has changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: And since we're, we're candid people, I had to turn on my monitoring because I want to hear myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, dude, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got I kind of had a weird low for a minute there just because family stuff was so demanding where wasn't playing as much as I'd like, but not to belabor a bunch of stuff too much, but have a studio session coming up this week that'll get like the full kit, the B15, the base is trying to make all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: you're going somewhere you're doing it your place mountain arts center oh so it takes I don't know two to half hours or something to get there a least are Kentucky nice to be a big guest so we're gonna make it's awesome
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably, I mean, it's my favorite studio to track in one, because they're just really collaborative, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the clients are usually great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, they've always been great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's kind of the only big studio full band playing at the same time experience I get to regularly have with people do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Much, yeah, and I mean, it's always like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna use sooner for the base, but now if you find a studio and people that build the right way It's way cheaper.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like one studio day and you get a bunch of pros and the band has to have some pretty serious gel
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely and luckily we do because we're kind of the same core band that plays together a lot for his clients.
[SPEAKER_01]: So too.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's dope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know where my amp goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might get up, but you know, we all, it's already dialed in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right when we get there, it takes us two seconds and and most of the like dialing in happens with the vocal, you know, usually the client.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah which is good that you know it's someone paying for your studio time these days at least really hate taking an hour to pick a snare drum well like that's just a thing of the past that's what we hobbyists do at our free time now we find the snares you just going through and you're uh thing you're like
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like that in real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, much slower.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was on a session a while ago and I remember at like everything's kind of done and I think like when they're able to get like they're like the producer or you know, just like random people in the room are able to start going, you know, we've got most of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's just start like seeing what we can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just like showed up in the like the live track room with a box of like
[SPEAKER_03]: the goofiest, like, virus slaps and like, like you're just like, oh, this is like your gag toys, and they're like, let's just shoot, we can get on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it happens, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then two hours, yeah, and then two hours go on, you've got rototoms on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, oh, we really departed here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Which hey, have you fun?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, go, go crazy and get some rock as on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just funny when the tub of goofy comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, I hesitate to share this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did a session a while ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: And did everything client wanted, we were cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that particular person asked, they were like, what if this entire song had a marching snare drum over it?
[SPEAKER_01]: and we did it and then it's giving Paul review.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the British are coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway, so that would be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about this later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Grabbed the quad cortex many.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to talk more about the quad cortex later.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the quad cortex.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know and love, but it's not small.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but not too small.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have thoughts of basically all of them are positive, and you're the king with that, and I also, we might.
[SPEAKER_01]: What positive thought?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do tend to go easier on gear than you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was true.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was just your match.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I kind of was, we'll segment that to a little part of the pod because the anti-digital boys can, can check out, but yeah, I'm getting, I'm also like people send me practice recommendations if you're listening because like I, there's a few things I'm embarrassed about not knowing or not remembering or not whatever, and
[SPEAKER_01]: I am the way my life works right now with the kiddo and the job and all that is like I actually need to think about practicing for the first time because usually you know embarrassed to say I never practice other than learning songs and right now I'm being really selective about what I play so I don't have enough new songs to learn and challenge me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about you did a bunch of stuff life change life change So serious life change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've been away in the pod world for men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I Have retired from base officially and I'm selling on my bases on reverb for half market value So I'm okay for you can look forward to seeing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's three times a shipping, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the same price, but when you click on it, you won't think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll be like, well, it's a great deal and you'll be like, oh, yeah, I don't know what's the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's crude oil on the stock market.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tides.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, based talks foreign policy.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so
[SPEAKER_03]: I, uh, I took a gig where I am actually only tour managing and I just stand on the side of the stage with a flashlight.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm telling people I'm laptop guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, that's what I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guy with a pelican, but you're not sure what's in the pelican.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just a bunch of clipboards.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just stack of clipboards.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got pins, loose with paper, the rest ends.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do have a pelican and it does have like,
[SPEAKER_03]: goofy stuff like sharpies and tour lay minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that brings me back to a vid production days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where you're like, what do I need?
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, a knife, sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need spare landyards.
[SPEAKER_01]: No guests.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so dude, life changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am really enjoying it, but it's definitely different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't, people keep asking me very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, man, does it like, is it like hard to watch people like, well, hard to like watch just like from the side?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, I don't think I have the ego you think I have because, and not even speaking in the ego term, but like this would be like tough for some people in the process to go, okay, well,
[SPEAKER_03]: like you're kind of driving the logistical bus, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're not on the stage and you're just not it's not the same bone to use it's not same muscle like I'm literally just like
[SPEAKER_03]: tour management, which, I mean, a lot of you guys know, and some of you don't, it's just like getting the people where they need to be at the right times and making the day of decisions like the onsite calls being kind of the for life to better term the bus driver on site for the touring.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: My mind thinks that way, which is awesome, but yeah, not playing base, which has been cool because you kind of get a new perspective on like the way that you're involved and it kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: This touring entity, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm still providing quite a bit and I'm servicing musicians, which is awesome because Being a musician you can lobby for these people like I always tell people like I like I work for the artist just as much as I work for the band because I am that like I am a hired gun so I it's also able to lobby for these people going
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, if I can bat for you, if I can be your lightning rod, let me do so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can also be the lightning rod for the artists too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So especially on these like opening slots, there's a lot of like just give it a take and that's kind of my specialty.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we've always, I mean, this was just a good opportunity, but like you, a lot of times in your career have done double duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you've even done double duty more than you've just been the base player in some ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I was just a base player for like nine months.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And well, I guess I was M.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you're M.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: base player tour manager.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if anything, and if you're like you're getting a break right now, yes, I feel Loki useless sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They might not need me, but they do like they do like it's like a like I play a role, but a lot of it's an advance a lot of it isn't a relationship you build a lot of it is like
[SPEAKER_03]: Just more of an ongoing thing, not as much of like, uh, you know, like, uh, I don't know, you know, I was going to feel like you're working 24, seven, but other days, you're going to get 15 phone calls at 8 p.m. And so it just, it all depends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but it's been cool and it's been fun and it was a new thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't, um, done the Sprinter thing in a while and I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The universe is tour bus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's been another big question Like what's in my experience was firmly in the Conaline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, it is in the Conaline.
[SPEAKER_03]: These vans have all been high tops.
[SPEAKER_03]: So at least you can like I don't know that it really adds much But you can stand up if you're like I love to stand up while we're driving actually
[SPEAKER_03]: Which I guess you can still stand up in the low top proof.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just bent at a 90.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, nevermind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so we've been in these sprinters and we actually did the tour that I really was like stoked to get on was three weeks out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just stay out and go to the west coast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a guy named we were opening for a guy named Ian Munsick who is from Wyoming So it was all his territory.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to think and we toured we started in Denver and we basically met our way up through Casper up to Montana all the way over to Portland Oh, yeah, and then all the way back
[SPEAKER_03]: to we's finished in Mancato, Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we in total did 70, it was like 76, 100 miles, which is I think greater than the perimeter of the United States.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you were to just drive the outside of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you drove.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we all swapped off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, cool, cool, which was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy the drive, it kind of helps me not doomskroll, which I know we've both been on, the put the phone down mode.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of nice, but yes, been great.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a bunch of shows that theaters did like, they call them hockey barns, so they're like basically shell buildings in like a smaller,
[SPEAKER_03]: like fargo i think was the largest city outside of denver that we really i guess well we hit portland but it was a theater in portland it's just kind of a different thing but like all these like minor they're not minor they're like the they're called junior hockey teams so like Idaho you're in all these random places and you're like
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's like this random, like, like, two to 5,000 cap venues, and they're super fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're always like, you're in, like, your green room is a locker room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my favorite thing is they always put up these, like, drapes in the locker room to, like, make you feel like you're in a living room.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, dude, I don't have to tell you this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wreaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It smells so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, the storage would be better if I could use it.
[SPEAKER_03]: if I could use the hangers in the lockers so it's kind of funny but there's like nice big catering every day and it makes your life easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Sprinter hotel thing is cool in a lot of ways versus the bus because here's what I'll tell people so the bus tour is really nice because our stuff stays in one place all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It never moves like you can take it in if you want to but you can live basically out of the bunk and the bays Which is really nice because you don't have to like unpack repack get back in you know Because what we were doing is you pull up you take all your stuff in and then you take it all I have to go to the hotel and then you sleep with the hotel and then you take it all out of the vein again And then you take it into the venue the next day when you drove there and like it's just this like repack pack moving So if not as fun, but like including guitars
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't care anything so all my stuff say in the van that I would leave, but yeah, I mean all the guys were taking their guitars in every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, what about with, uh, when you are on the bus?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the bus is guitars and yeah, oh, everything just stays on your bus.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're good, but we were rarely dealing with hotel rooms.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, only in like specific situations because you kind of don't need it when you're on the bus.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just depending on your situation, a lot of people get like clean up room, stay rooms, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, not not us usually, but on this van tour, we always had those tells.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and we also didn't do any overnight driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, logistically kind of works out to me, like a full night sleep in hotel.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what I love about that is it's predictable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it has a thermostat that you can control.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it has a shower that you can stand in for 45 minutes if you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I love that it's half.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, did.
[SPEAKER_03]: have your way it's it's awesome you can crank that AC down to like of 61 and just freeze it out and it's perfect so it's awesome I like that stationary sleep so a lot of a lot of given take on on the big differences but so for our love in it I uh sweet play a bunch of Broadway now to back in I'm playing a ton of shifts I did I took I think 20 days off of playing base so I played yesterday my hand was like
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, I should have brought like a practice base or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have just like asked her base player like, hey, can I just, just every once in a while, can I just like play it a little bit?
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have asked and I just didn't, but like my callous, do my things were screaming at me yesterday out.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three hours into this shift, I'm just like, pick only.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you, you win a full,
[SPEAKER_03]: four hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was I played a Dirk Spentley's whiskey row yesterday and yeah, I was in pain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was and also just standing for four hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't done that with a base in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was kind of a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that probably couldn't get through a four hour.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it's a different beast, and I almost ended up on a double, and my wife was like, are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you stupid?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's been cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still get to talk a lot of gear and get to, like, just have a new perspective on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's that's what I've been up to.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of change.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Been really fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, about you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're, you're getting back into the show season, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so kind of along the lines of what I was doing earlier, so I've been doing a pretty good amount of producing and recording when I produce a project at the
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty personal, I spend really way more time than they're paying me for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like kind of pour over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say no to people when I'm already in one project.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just so I can focus on it just because it's like such a labor of love for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then the conversation always happens, well, would you play live with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that happens after that shoe in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with with this particular artist, uh, Taylor Lance to I really like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to try to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, his release is coming up an EP I finished.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have six seven months ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I'm going to play with him a little bit, which would be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, then.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of one of the main newer developments is Zach Hamilton produced out of my studio when I was working really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pre-baby lovesack and I was like, all this, I'm not selling all this gear because I spent the two previous years collecting it all and I went pretty hard as people know because I was professionally doing this last year blood bro wanting to professionally
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just really nice stuff and then you know kind of dropped it all when I didn't know how all the baby stuff was gonna go and
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went to Zach and was like, well, I have really good stuff and I'm not selling it and I'd prefer it to be used and my studio is in a building outside of my residence.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, here you go, here's the keys, have fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the records he did that I played all over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I played on 7 or 8 out of the 10 or 12.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, was Nathan Evans Fox and his release got a record deal, uh, the company is free to records.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is coming out in about a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be in Nashville.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm playing D's next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, then my day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then that's just a stream.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a mess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you should come see us because they'll be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: May 30th is his album release show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to tell me Nashville for that Love him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like he's a friend and we're in a similar stage of life like he's a parent It's got a house I can crash out really quick so I can just like go in and out play the gig leave No, I'm gonna keep my ear to the ground and that scene a little bit which I appreciate and
[SPEAKER_01]: Nashville's just not that big of a thing for going from Lexington to Nashville.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is if you're doing it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not bad drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can day trip it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and pop it in once a month or something like that's super attractive to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pop it in once a month and not play in a four hour set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: If only you knew somebody down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could crash a gear or a place to actually every time I've tried to crash at your place, it's not worked out big.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just once.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh, that's wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I did tell you about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you had a guest over already.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call up your wife and be like, hey, I know Nick's going on, but I know the door code, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so I'm I'm really excited for the record.
[SPEAKER_01]: The song came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: lots of beginnings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the name of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: They check out Fox.
[SPEAKER_01]: That came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all over that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like really great songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very country.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like leftist bro country meets traditional country in certain spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, as I was song, I'm really excited about that apparently help move the needle and some people get excited about it called, uh, race car.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is like a mid tempo, like almost monotonous, like the broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the broke country tempo, you know, the stop clad.
[SPEAKER_01]: thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on, you know, the mid tempo, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's every, every country song on the radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that, but it's like about being in a race car and my base Zach, like, distorted it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I was using my capo and my noble and maybe
[SPEAKER_01]: I was probably on the Yamaha for that one and not the Thunderbird, but then Zach really really cranked it up in the mix stage with a rat and like a bunch of other stuff on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it's pretty in the front of the mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for folks to hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really excited about that release coming up and the Taylor stuff coming up nice and just, you know, meeting up with cool people, especially when they fit my phase of life, 100% really picky.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I also want an award.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won the.
[SPEAKER_01]: bass player of 2026 award at the Lexington Music Awards, which has become a thing around here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to dedicate my award to my mentor Bob Bryant who was also nominated and we got to go together and he's getting up there in age and I
[SPEAKER_01]: started to go see him and stuff and and it was pretty cool moment to be able to like kind of give a speech in the single Terry Center and nice have everybody clap for Bob and there's awesome I got a little plaque so if people vote for me next year I'm taking my name out.
[SPEAKER_01]: War showed not my vibe, but you heard it here first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take I'll take my name out next year But it was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in the word ceremony guy, but they are putting a lot of effort into it now and and It was a positive experience of my my mentor was super hype on it because he is one That award many times before and he had kind of came to me and he was like
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is my Bob Bryant and his name's Bob Bryant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played with Ben Lacy and like a lot of academic music and jazz and and super cool guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's crazy, super ADHD like Mad Scientist and because of the way they changed the way the voting for the awards went.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of moved from this like kind of strange popularity contest where people would
[SPEAKER_01]: lots of drama and I went nothing to do with it, no fancy anybody listening but this year they switched it to be a pro panel and like certain members of the community and then the voting
[SPEAKER_01]: portion that was open to the public was only weighted like 10 or 20 percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so mostly you were voted on by other nominees and by the panel that they had selected.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody who won and was nominated was way more the public did the nominations.
[SPEAKER_01]: it it felt way more like the scene that I'm in and that I know where as other times it would be like I've never heard of this person I've never heard of that person whatever and you know I'm getting you know a country song of the year nominated artists should should not be something with Tim Spotify plays so
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd kind of get those things happening over and over and and they switched the way they didn't know and I think it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bob though had won many times before never came paying never asked for votes or why he's because he's a legend around here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was and he was doing the like, If I, if I, if I win, you have to come up there with me and you got whatever I'm going to give my word to you and that like he did this all day and I just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I based on the way they chained, you know, rigged the system, I was like, I think I maybe have it this year, so I'm going to be able to give it to him, which is, is really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was nice, you know, find yourself a mentor, people, sorry to just ramble about a personal life.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool to get to do that, especially like if someone was giving you lessons for a long time to kind of remember that person come back around because like, if you're getting lessons when you're, I don't know, 15, 16 and now you're 30, they're probably getting up there and like, it's cool to kind of rekindle that relationship, a parent, especially if you have a weird relationship with your parents or like, if you never had a mentor and that person made an impact on your music like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would encourage you to like keep in touch with that person, um, it's, it's, because also like, an award like this or being recognized or like a number of Spotify plays or some other like whatever digital benchmark we strive to hit these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: really nobody else but maybe another musician understands that like right go tell you're like romantic partner and they'll be they should be supportive and stuff but like nobody really gets it the same way uh funny story also my wife won a
[SPEAKER_01]: like nurses that go above and beyond and do something that makes the family like nominate them for this international award thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like we showed up at this thing and she had super downplayed it and you know
[SPEAKER_01]: She had never been nominated but like we were going to go and and someone encouraged her to go and there was like 200 nurses in there and Kate won one of the five awards which was super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: She got like a statue and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that happened like on a Wednesday and then I wasn't going to go to the awards ceremony for likes to music awards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, I felt weird about I didn't know how I was going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either years have been weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other years have had drama.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ah, I'm not going to do this and, and Bob can be like, no, you got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take your award.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I go and, and, you know, I was lucky enough to win and, and it was really a great experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: to my baby son.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't win an award in the next two weeks, he's out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're on to have a street.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're about to activate star power, dog like we're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, some people actually, I'm going to pump the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So folks in the discord, we've been really active there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Nick and I both are sort of trying to interact with social media a little bit less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Discord is where we are at.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is free.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will have some kind of paired tier eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like,
[SPEAKER_01]: if you ever hop in our Instagram DMs and stuff, just do it in the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone, especially if we answer a question that somebody else has, or I mean, honestly, a lot of times some of the folks in there like probably know what we're going to say before we say it, and like it's instantaneous, but like we have people there like sharing, sharing,
[SPEAKER_01]: like just their stories and their gig stories and like it's becoming a really really cool thing so you know check it out it feels like hanging out the real ones or hanging out in there every now and then you get a special little gift which is like
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave away a capture for my quad cortex the other day just because I was we were going back and forth I was someone helped me figure some stuff out and I was like here go here's the capture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just spent three hours making and someone actually just said in there in the effects chat just so you know that union v2 I said the name sorry um
[SPEAKER_01]: V2 capture has completely replaced the previous drive that had exactly what I was looking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I'm not going to capture individual pedals very often.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just needed it in preparation for this studio session.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you want to dive into the Quart Cortex stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was just happy that mine booted up the other day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go like, yeah, all the dust for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I lent it to a body of mine who was programming a show.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like tacking for some people.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was programming their show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, hey, man, kind of borrowed it for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I gave it to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just didn't think twice about it, so I booted it back up and it was on presets that he made, which is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll probably listen to him and check him out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I had to like go, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did he do here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because sometimes I move around, like the inputs, just depending on like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Long story short.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have all the wireless pedal always in chain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That sends to input one.
[SPEAKER_03]: The input two I can use if I'm bypassing the the pedal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though the pedal has an input, I have blocked that input with the way that I set the board up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just use input two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if I'm using input two, then that means that I'm not using the tuner for my sure wireless pedal.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that means I need a tuner on input two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have the live tuning that happens on input two.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just had to like start looking at it and I was just staring there, just staring at my feet being like, what what's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to figure it out and then I go, hmm, not making any noise wonder what's up here and I start checking all the outputs.
[SPEAKER_03]: volume is down.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's just a volume.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, okay, because the little notch is not very visible.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like, oh man, I'm going to get unrusty really quick because I went down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so wait, let me back up before we get the volume thing because did you disable it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the same on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd been, I, you guys actually saw my pedal board now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably been two years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say, I'm sorry for my dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've only heard him once.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he'd be barking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I made this big beautiful paddleboard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, really big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the duo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank, I can't do this on the eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, nevermind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Frankly, you know, it's frankly the big beautiful paddleboard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little too big.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a tail spit down that I've created.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started to walk in impressions of Boston Robb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've spread the word.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was great, but it was embarrassingly big.
[SPEAKER_00]: And bears had bought that large pelican.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, it was, yeah, like I can't fly with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that big.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think I'm feeling fine with the one I've ended up in, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so at some point, I had a switcher, everything was isolated, to be honest, I'm more conscious about my signal flow and like how my tone sounds and a little bit buffering even though like I pretend I understand buffering what I don't know what he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really at the end of the day, my experience has been in studios like
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the problem for a while is that I wasn't doing the like this is isolated and this is anted like so if they see the length I've gone to make sure everything's cool they won't be so freaked out by the petal board.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of had I've come away with the opposite impression if you're hired for a session and they trust you and you show up with the petal board.
[SPEAKER_01]: they have they've already made their mind up on if they would rather you plug into their stuff or if they would rather you use the petal board and they're open to what you've brought.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll know you'll know and really honestly probably prepare yourself for the ride there, you know like it can go either way and it's not that it doesn't need to be that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, it's fine, but it's fine, but we know that we know better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, so I ripped out the switcher stuff, which, you know, freed seven tons of Mogami cable from my pedal board.
[SPEAKER_01]: And conveniently, the space I had was the exact space that a quad cortex, the big one, could go without a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I put it on there and I was still pretty embarrassed about the size of my petal board.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were still a little bit unused space.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how big this petal board is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got I've got the noble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the DLA2A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these are huge petals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got the quad cortex.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of looks like a joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it looks like
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is your pedalboard so like but I just it looks like fake like toys or something like it's just hard to describe yeah Cute pet it's just a cartoon-sized large pedal It's a really large pedalboard It's like daily driving a semi truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was a little and I'm not even getting that much out of it Like I am because the delay to a are like
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that is for best boys have a good time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, I did a crime to have fun with my pedalboard is a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you see the all these guys with the really like they've got a pedal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a small board, but a pedal is everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're turning on and they're like, you can still involve you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: For cap it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's space left.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like, it's super compact and that seems like a pain in the butt to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to live that life either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I always have a little bit too much space on my pedal board because I'm like, what if something changes and really I change.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what changes every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started looking internally and it's me actually exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that to say, when the quad cortex mini was announced, I jumped at the occasion because I was about to ditch the quad cortex again, just because everything was too big.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to keep my couple choice, like foundational pedals, and I was like holy crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: practically an instant buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was made for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was made for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the whole like the what are the the nano the nano cortex like to me not my thing no screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's super basic Daddy needs his iPad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't well anyway
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, it's too basic, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel like the in-between.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the fact that it's a good bridge for those people that like, I want the digital, but I still want like the, what's the word tactile?
[SPEAKER_03]: You want the knob, you want the motion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it feels like a pedal.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a full tone, I just ride it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe people exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, like, I don't know how this thing sells at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, well, I see them on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you do see a lot of muscle and whatever genes on Broadway, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, this is a stray bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a bunch of genes, stray bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry guys, everyone with their boot cut right now is going, oh man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, boot cuts in in a McGeeway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do you okay everyone do them okay and and everyone can catch a stray every now and then Okay, we need to be it's important by sear human podcast humility.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually if you can take it And you can stay here welcome love Mark base anyway It's like I'm playing in front of a bumblebee
[SPEAKER_00]: which is exactly why I have K.R.K.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: My focus right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never sounded so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the Scarlet has a place in my heart, but I do not like throwing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are many ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Scarlet is a great example.
[SPEAKER_01]: begging to be made fun of and it's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so it's great and it's also doesn't need a power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of in the bus powered like USB-C thing that they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the mini people thinking like, okay, they just want this smaller, but they don't want to compromise on the processing power.
[SPEAKER_01]: That has me all over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a crap that it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost as expensive as the big one and it allows if I want to add more foot switches when I change a year from now I can do that which I right consider if I Did you end up moving the full quad?
[SPEAKER_01]: I sold it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you did I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the mini.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sat on both down and I'm like big boys out of here That's also what you want to say when I leave the joint, but
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard with gear sales in the modern age as things develop because on one hand, you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, especially in the nature of my employment, sometimes I take fill-in gigs where I need, like, drastically different board.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I take stuff where I don't need anything different.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I go through arrows in my life where I'm using a certain type of gear.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then sometimes you wake up one day and you go, I haven't touched that in five years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm hanging on to it just because I remember buying it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why am I holding that to it?
[SPEAKER_03]: So at a certain point you go, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's my rule here?
[SPEAKER_03]: And sadly, I'm staring at my HX stop going, it's a great pedal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't used it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get them out of here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And somehow, through time and space.
[SPEAKER_03]: He likes us are more expensive than they were when I purchased it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've appreciated an interview and it's No crude oil, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Put back to oil.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm staring at this thing and I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, I want to keep the age I've also got
[SPEAKER_03]: A million others.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have this right here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tonics one that this is my travel rig not to each Exxon like if I want portable, it's this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It still has everything I use in the Exxon besides the pitch shifting and I only do the pitch shifting thing because I think it's fun He's holding up the tone-exx by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah audio people.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a tonics one
[SPEAKER_03]: It's smaller than my hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I've got you to wake up one day and you go, well, I've got backups for my backups and that's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's hard when you go, well, this quad cortex could be my savior.
[SPEAKER_03]: on, you know, a certain gig.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could be flying and I don't have a checked bag or a Pelican that fits it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just I'll put it in my backpack and that way I have my quad in my base and you're like, why am I manufacturing these scenarios for me to keep it?
[SPEAKER_03]: So at a certain point you got to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to just sell it and I got to list it for a price and if it goes for that price I got to let it go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that kind of where you were where you're like, yeah, of course I want it, but it's too large of a It's like it's like it's like going in a match list and just using it as a coffee table You're like am I really just going to have this $5 or $2 ramp just staring at me in my house?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, for me, especially with the big quad cortex and to the little one, sitting down with it for the first time, and I immediately, what interests me in this, by the way, is not the default sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never has been the default sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not been my vibe.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a deep, that's
[SPEAKER_01]: terrible and maybe what I know about the dark glass anagram is that if you are interested in the default sounds as the like primary driver my understanding is that you probably should go over there like it's made for base all the stuff is pretty usable but it's got to think anyways it's it's debatable on how accurate certain things are but like it's kind of got a little
[SPEAKER_01]: They push you towards a tone right definitely right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not because I mean, they have their thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have their thing and you in the love it or it's not for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So So when I sat down with this, I was like holy crap for the first time really do I see the potential and how cool this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The line six thing with the tiny script like it just feels like a toy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it is an awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just.
[SPEAKER_01]: For whatever reason, it didn't entice me enough to leave the analog world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Truth with, there's not a lot of coolness behind the HX Tomp especially compared to the quad cortex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I'm going to bring something digital and we're just talking about optics and look and feel or, you know, all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to bring something digital, I don't want it to look like a toy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for a tie, early, the early days, I don't want it to say line six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they've certainly, they're not like, they're not like a cool thing behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've brought it back enough that like it is respected now and that shouldn't always be the driving factor on is this good for you or not, but right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've always grown up with a lion's sixth stigma, so that, so there's that, it's pretty small, kind of looks like a toy, I'm over here buying a noble, and I'm over here buying an R&DI, and I'm like, am I gonna throw my tone through a crappy blender before it gets to the source?
[SPEAKER_01]: again, not even saying that's right around.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just what I was thinking at the time and you open up the quad cortex and people who compare it to Apple are like I think they're they're on to something like the switches the interface the workflow feels like someone really cared about the premium thought out and like mildly aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_03]: exactly, which is I think your jam.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that part won me over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of my universal audio Apollo and using console.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you like it, it feels higher in and again, the switch isn't stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my deciding factor when I sat down with it though, how long would be gone?
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I rambling too much?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're at 44.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're always rambling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly man, a rambling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always be rambling, be on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sat down, I did a capture with my B15, quick and dirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three of the captures were,
[SPEAKER_01]: go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three of the captures were like B plus they were fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two of the captures were really good and shared a none of them with me by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shared none of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely none of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that made me stop and be like, okay, there's something to this and the ability to call up a preset sound that might be passable for one gig prevents me from buying a $300 pedal just because someone wants to play, uh, can't stop the feeling once every four years.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of bass players live in this world where you're in the cover circuit and you've got to have that like catch all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's some capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and so I was like okay this is great but it demands more than any other pedal I've interface with like it demands you use it the way it wants to be used.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are not in a position or mindset or whatever that you're like, I'm going to learn this thing and learn its quirks and and the scenes versus stop mode and all this kind of stuff and I'm still learning I've only used this like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've owned them for like four months, but I've really only used it hay and full of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not in a position and open to interacting with all your pedals that are different way and deciding if you want things in a loop, deciding if you know whatever, it is not for you if you do not want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is why a lot of people grab them.
[SPEAKER_01]: and do not integrate them with a pedalboard, like a lot of people have done with the stomp, the way you use it, just demands that you kind of use it, the way it says to be used.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I kind of get the people that are more like, well, why would you run it into a preamp?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you run it into whatever?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of begging.
[SPEAKER_01]: to not do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the many foreign factor, so I got it and I was like, this is awesome, but like, my pedal boards embarrassingly big.
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing has got a million really cool foot switches and lights on it, like I'm getting comments about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like dragging it all out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I need either need to go all digital, which I still don't want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: or any to get rid of it, then the mini comes out and I'm like, okay, this feels form factor-wise, like I can use it, like a lot of people are using stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's like the difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: More powerful than the stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The stop runs out of computing power very quickly for those that don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It, like it's not fully capable in the way that like a full, like a helix is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, yeah, so that's what I kept running into and that's actually why I owned this tonics one This is because I was trying to use my helix my HX stomp as like I did a some stuff in Europe for like a CCM guitar and I just really needed
[SPEAKER_03]: a few more blocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as you run out, it starts cutting off your options.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can't have like a ton of like computing heavy things, delays, and amp sim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those kind of eat it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what I ended up doing in that way and really justifying getting this tonics is I was using the tonics only as amp modeling and then sending it back in to the the it checks to do the rest.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was freeing up some by not doing any amp sim.
[SPEAKER_03]: So
[SPEAKER_03]: The quad, the small one, doesn't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has apparently supposedly as much computing power as the regular quad, which is a ton.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like insane amounts of just like horsepower that it can put behind like pitch shifting, and time-based effects, and it's very responsive to like, many change, and yeah, it's just very, very impressive in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now understand, the stomp wasn't really designed to do what I was trying to, like, max it out with,
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have thought that it would have handled a little bit more, and maybe they will in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, yeah, there's no way some kind of ultra premium response to this doesn't come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'd be cool, you know, it'd probably take a what we're noticing, sort of like the Mac versus PC debate, you know, early 2000s or whatever, like people are going to start getting in these camps where they
[SPEAKER_01]: iPhone walled hard and anymore because it's what they're used to right they're getting updates They feel like it's cool, you know, they're familiar all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's gonna Increasingly be the case in the base world with the anagram The Kemper interesting thing then do you want to know more about and we can also talk about captures the second but
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what the anagram runs on, what the camper runs on, and maybe even the line sixth stuff, it might be open source.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, this is out of my room.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm very I want it decently spoon fed to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of my research started with other people's captures and like boards and then I tweak like as I as I find need.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not necessarily a go getter where I'm going to sit down with a manual like I just kind of learn what I need for what I'm doing like and I have a pretty decent death, but I've never had any need to like a bracket open and right and role.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, because the anagram is not a device, unless I have completely overlooked it, like there's no capturing with the anagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the light.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to play with for a man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a single friend that has one in town and they're all in Europe.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's got to be someone who can't fill with one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, dude, it's Nashville and nobody's got one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I use, you don't see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every board, every baseball has an HX-stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every single one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone has a stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am one of the few people that's doing like full-quant cortex base.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, in fact,
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't name other bass players that are doing a quiet court that are like Broadway guys like like there's a few country touring guys, but honestly, you see just as much like fractal and everything else, the stop is everywhere, and it's a great piece of gear if you're using it for what the few things that it does incredibly, it does everything fine and does a few things really well, it's great, I don't know, I don't know, I need to find that
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe they should send us one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, water sell them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, because I want to just wait with the stop, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can buy what two or three stumps for the price of a QC mini.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they like five or six?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sweet water has the anagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, looks like T.O.
[SPEAKER_03]: O. Niki is going to be buying one and returning it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: The old rental I like to call it and let's see, what are we retailing on the quad?
[SPEAKER_03]: The minis like what?
[SPEAKER_03]: 1400?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it's quad-court-sex mini.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the nano-court-sex is 600.
[SPEAKER_03]: The mini is 1400.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then the full business.
[SPEAKER_03]: 18, but that'll go up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, the HX stop went up and I found out that I had an appreciating asset.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's now $700.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, it looks like some of them are on sale, but yeah, they went up when I bought it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like $700.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like $500, but that's like, uh, well, I didn't understand how I end up with an appreciating we've used a piece of gear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crude oil can't be the joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be the chips.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from Chaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about the chips, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to do videos.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got the, the, it's all about the chips.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going downhill, buddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, well, I'm glad you, I'm glad you got that and you're getting situated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the capture is everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, with that, and, you know, people will be like, of course, we don't sell anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been trying to make hats for like two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do a bunch of really cool captures and I'm going to sell them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see if you guys like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But while I'm there, if it's possible and it's not like crazy hard, I might try to do essentially the capture process in the open source arena where people can use it on a dark glass device as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no promises because I haven't fully looked up how to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But kind of the philosophy that I'm trying to use
[SPEAKER_01]: Make you can correct me on what you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like kind of you you do like a preset back and around thing But like I am setting up everything I do in such a way that It is supposed to go out of the QC mini into a preamp of my choice
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is where I do primary tone shaping and that is why you know I dial in my normal clean tone like yes, there could be a little bit of distortion or a little bit of EQ with the noble maybe it goes into a little bit of a professor or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to do everything I do from a workflow perspective of it reinforces that concept.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in my presets, I also have the option to go capture that item and throw it in and then pop the QC mini off and have my foundational tone wherever I go for when I have to go really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for me it would be
[SPEAKER_01]: First block would be some kind of compressor just because, well, I'd rather have my drives before compressor put whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: First block right now, all my board is a compressor because I haven't rerouted the DLA 2A.
[SPEAKER_01]: That you all my fancy QC stuff and that the variant it will go into some kind of like high flavor tone block.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, when I approach these captures that I do for sale, everything is going to kind of be feeding into that mindset so that you could grab, I'm also approaching it in such a way that like instead of capturing an API, preamp, and then capturing a noble, and then capturing my B15.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to capture like intricate chains so that it's one block with one piece of processing power.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is a Ampeg B15 into an API preamp with a Soyuz microphone.
[SPEAKER_01]: That be the entire tone block so that people are not having to use.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the QC really, if you run out of processing power as a base player, you're probably
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as long as you're stringing together the two lines because like the top two lines where you would put your effects and stuff is the first chip or the first two chips and the bottom line is the last two chips a glass chip whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just go to that first line and send it to line three and then the end of line three and four be that multi out or wherever you want to go, you're using the full potential processing power of the device if people didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So me intentionally capturing these large chains that have a little bit of baked in tone so that you could sit down also and be like, okay, what's a B4T and API?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever sound like great, what's what happens to all my effects if I put a sans amp at the end?
[SPEAKER_01]: What happens to all my effects if I put it this at the end?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or the
[SPEAKER_01]: vintage transformer, uh, Motown DI that Carson has with that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of stepping things up and then the way I will do all my presets and effects and distortions and all that will be done in such a way that it doesn't substantially mess with your foundational tone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that maybe it pushes a little bit of men's, whatever, but like low-end is consistent, volume is pretty consistent, and so as you move these big tone blocks at the end, or as you decide you want to try a jack for your capo, or, you know, jack for your luchet and something else, you're able to like hear what the pedals at the end sound like differently, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I like that because it's like in the world of digital, sometimes it seems as if tall and is like funneling all together, like that it's like there's not as much individualism because like with different, like the combo is the gateway to difference and unique and fun and inspiring, like
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just think of like growing up like when I wanted cool guitar tones like cool you get a new pedal and that changes the whole way that the guitar reacts with the pedal reacts with the amp and the other pedals is already have like it's this combo that gets you not just
[SPEAKER_03]: like everyone could sound the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, truthfully, a lot of these digital tones can get so dark or so bright that a jazz and a piece starts sound in really similar and like, yeah, I like this approach because it's like uniqueness and like just the new flavors and fun new approach to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's what inspires me about the potential in this and like I'd rather I've an old ampeg, um, guitar amp, that's a one-ton solid state from the 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I've done my due diligence with low end and all this kind of stuff I could run my base through that and do some other effects and stuff in the studio to it and list it as an overdrive in my capture pack or my preset pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, you've got an overdrive that doesn't really sound like other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also some other stuff that I'm planning on doing, that I feel like the QC capture process does.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like too good or too accurate, like if so V2 came out, V2 captures.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried my first one the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a fuzz pedal that I didn't realize apparently the one captures not good at capturing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuzz pedals, there's something about it, it just doesn't like and then they don't do compression and that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anything that kind of has that feel to it to capture it that great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so the V2 captures came out, takes a lot more processing power, but it's way more accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is to me super worth it now that I've tried it and thanks for our friends and discord for uh, guiding me through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I wish I could see people's names and discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like seeing, you know, applesauce eater 96.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want another name, but anyway, um, so,
[SPEAKER_01]: the V2 capture actually got this fuzz pedal like down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty astounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was within to me the last seven to 10 percent of how good the real pedal sounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I was snobber, if I wanted that, you know, at a session or something, I would still bring the real one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it, I mean, it sounded fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I turn on a fuzz pedal,
[SPEAKER_01]: even with a moderate amount of gain in it, why would I want to capture the hum and the noise of the pedal?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in what world do I want that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's super realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, well, if other people are doing it like that, I will do all these cool captures, but I'll do some kind of EQ in it that keeps the low end consistent and I'll probably put the lightest gate you've ever experienced in your entire life at the end of every single chain that I capture.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that it doesn't do that, you know, noise, whatever you put on,
[SPEAKER_01]: some kind of fuzz or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I'm getting all these ideas together.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna sell it like we do merch.
[SPEAKER_01]: We hope that maybe people don't share it with their friends, but I can't stop you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm gonna put a lot of effort to into it to be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what Nick has to, and we'll go like make these crazy, crazy chains.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I organize them in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just have a ton of captures that I basically have my previous board that I just use now and in tandem with each other and I just love stacking them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I just play some of my drives with captures in my drives.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's because I went all in on the quad.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: A little different of a story, but dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad I got to see today, but this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've influenced my personal life as we land this plane in more than one way Because it's now I just bought an expensive coffee grinder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, it's got some boys coming at us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a problem Oh, I'd you asked me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it and I said do you need a hobby?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I do and I really have enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is just so disheartening to where like you like think you're like on like getting closer and then you like okay I'm gonna get a new thing and then you add the puck screen New shot terrible and you're like yep What in the world like everything changes so slightly?
[SPEAKER_03]: But it can like be drastic in the shot so Carson's got me on this espresso journey Yeah, which is very fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been dialing that in and so
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a word of caution out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The grinder is more important than the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't be like, you know, sitting, wow, you just got done looking to talk base for base pedals or looking at reverb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, man, I kind of want to suppress a machine and look like maybe I want to spend a thousand bucks on an espresso machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that really pretty one that I could just barely afford.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spin that money on a grinder because you're going to buy a thousand dollar machine and then you're going to get on the internet Be like holy crap I don't need a really expensive grinder that I was not and the coffee's expensive and every shot you waste is expensive Oh No, I was learning on old beans.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm wasting anyways.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been having a good time I appreciate the guidance along the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're looking for expensive hobbies, look to Carson
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we have a coffee area of the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get on the discord.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's an online discord.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's in the link.
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to us, ask all your questions in the discord.
[SPEAKER_03]: See y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Peace.