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[SPEAKER_02]: It has taken forever, but we are finally back with a deduce.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we usually reserve this game, per se, for Patreon, but life happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If anyone has ever had Pluracy, then you will understand why writing a case this week did not happen for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we didn't want to leave you guys empty-handed, we are going to be doing a deduce episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For those who don't know, this is basically a complete rip-off of the show beyond belief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be telling Josh stories that may or may not be true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He will guess, and we hope you play along.

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[UNKNOWN]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: deduce is not to make light of any of the real stories, whichever ones are real, but their stories we wouldn't usually cover, so it's kind of a light-hearted way to be able to tell maybe not such light-hearted stories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So buckle in as I tell you four tales of weird, silly, strange bizarre crimes of incompetence, foot fetishes, dismemberment, and a mysterious murder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have to decide if the stories

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a fan of horror films, like Josh and I are, you've probably already watched the newest installment of the final Destination Series Bloodlines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As those films always are, it was a very silly romp through the minds of the writers, as they came up with more and more creative and disturbing ways to kill off the characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of those kills got more attention than the others as it was extreme, but it also utilized practical effects.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it looked pretty real and it's going to hold up to the years a lot better than anything Marvel is burping out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not to do so that's just my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which death?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the space needle falling?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's floating.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a fun one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The death I'm referring to, featured an MRI machine, which was turned on and activated the magnetic field of the machine, which caused any and every metal thing in the room and hallway to be sucked into the machine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which included but was not limited to body piercings, earrings, and even an entire wheelchair, which then folded a boy in half whilst he was being sucked into the machine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: MRIs already make some people nervous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, are you one of those people?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like my mom has to go to the open MRI.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you do a regular MRI?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is that too close?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can do anything medical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not afraid of the doctor and I'm not saying that to be brave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when I go to the doctor, I'm turning to a robot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Medical attention receiving robot and I don't really feel anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put me in a tube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've had luckily really good experiences at hospitals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've saved my life several times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone on staff has always been super cool to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that's just fascinating that the calm that you feel with medical people would cancel out your claustrophobia for something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because someone else has their hands on the wheel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the reins and they can shoot me right out of that tube if they need to, but they're not going to and I'll be safe and there's people there that can even pull me out bodily if they need to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If something magnets starts slurp it on my pierce.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gravy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Slurping on piercings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Magnetically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a robot, which you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be Boop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for those that don't know, an MRI puts you into a very tightly closed space and you cannot move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I asked Josh about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed that this scene from the movie added to People's Fears, so much so that Dr. Francisco Rodriguez campus, a magnetic resonance safety officer and magnetic resonance safety certified doctor from the American board of magnetic resonance safety, wrote about the probability of injuries like that happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to that scene in particular, Dr. Rodriguez Campos felt it was bizarre and far-fetched.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For what had taken place, it would, in his opinion, have required many failures in safety protocol mixed with a dash of Hollywood imagination.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He also reminded anyone who is scheduled to get an MRI that the technicians are skilled and professional.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Their job is to keep anything like that from happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever had an MRI, this is why you're asked to remove any piercings, fake lashes, or medical devices, and to put on a hospital gown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, an MRI machine is still a huge magnet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, things in a room with an MRI machine can become magnetized.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There have been reports of wheelchairs becoming projectiles with the power.

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[SPEAKER_02]: power of the magnet, but that kind of risk is incredibly low and incidents are rare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's why so many precautions and procedures are in place when it comes to MRIs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, that doctor can say things like that are rare, but tell that to 61-year-old Keith McAllister.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In June of last year, Keith took his wife to get an open MRI in Long Island.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As his wife, Adrian, was completing her MRI.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She struggled to get up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She haulered out for her husband, shouting, Keith, Keith, come help me up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are conflicting reports about the next very important part of the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One report says Keith came rushing in to answer the call of his wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Another says the MRI tech permitted him access to the room to assist her off the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever way it happened, Keith entered the MRI room and in a millisecond, the machine grabbed Keith and in what is called the missile effect through him across the room and pulled him into the machine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was because he so famously, the MRI text had joked and had a conversation about it previously, wore a 20-pound chain and lock around his neck for weight training.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In a panic, the tech and Adrian tried to pry a key spotty out of the machine, but they might as well have been ants, in their futile battle against the 10-ton magnet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Adrian started calling out yelling for someone

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was at this time Keith's body went limp in his wife's arms.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First responders arrived and found Keith was in the midst of cardiac arrest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As they worked on him, loaded him into the ambulance and traveled to the hospital, he continued to have multiple heart attacks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Arriving at the hospital, Keith was in critical condition and despite many efforts, he was pronounced dead the next day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So is this horror story about a magnet true?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or am I pulling your chain?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I believe it, and it happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying that this is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Keith was missile-affected into the MRI machine because of the chain on his neck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was his name again?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Keith McAllister.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reminds me of the home alone boy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin McAllister?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was his dad's name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm deducing as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see your screen if I was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to pick up any cues when I ask you a question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Peter, Peter McAllister.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if he had been Peter McAllister and a genital piercing had come out, I would have said, false, you made it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to vote for these eventually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, number two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, the doos have to doos.

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[UNKNOWN]: Didos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lake Tahoe is a relaxing calm quiet resort town.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've only been there once which was last year or two and it was cozy but yes, a very interesting place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can really sense how small the city is and like most tourist places, a large population works in the hotels and restaurants and other tourist focused locales.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, we were talking about Lake Tahoe just the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gigantic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I took a ferry across at once and I feel like it took most of the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're talking about the actual late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've stayed there once too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it was a small little town that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the isolation of it is what makes it kind of you'll strange.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that it's on the border.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were in a casino and they're like, you can order liquor here, but you can't take it to that side of the building because that's the California side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's only allowed on the Nevada side or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was kind of had an uncanny valley feeling of like a piece of Vegas fell off and landed there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not that it's bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a beautiful place, obviously, and I've only been there once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not speaking poorly upon it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an interesting place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a really lovely nature set Reno.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While most people would probably think of relaxation and beauty when asked about Lake Tahoe for some women in the area, they would say unsafe and very upsetting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In July 2023, the Douglas County Sheriff's Office of State Line Nevada, which is literally the state line at Lake Tahoe between California and Nevada, received multiple complaints from women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two women reported that they were a woken around 4.30 a.m. Not by a lurking man hovering over them or the clatter of a smashed window, they woke up because someone or something was fondling their feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When they awoken realized there was a man at the end of their bed rubbing their feet, their reaction caused the podiatrist purve to scamper out of their condos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing the women had in common was each apartment was on the ground floor,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it had been entered through an unsecured screen door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: An investigation was opened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Locals and guests were asked to keep their doors in windows locked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Amazingly, it only took a few weeks for an arrest to be made.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 26-year-old Mark Anthony Gonzalez was arrested in August of that year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Strangely, he lived in Atwater, California, which is over 200 miles southwest from state line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was charged with two counts of burglary and two counts of battery, which was the foot part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Part of the share of statement said, quote, once inside he positioned himself at the foot of the bed and rubbed the feet of two separate adult females.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Each female awoke from their sleep as the subject was rubbing their feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once awake, the females confronted the male subject and he fled the scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that you was me, not the sheriff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though he may be thought it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To no one's surprise, this was not Mark's first fetish related arrest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was suspected of being the party responsible for trespassing theft of women's shoes and self gratification at the time of the offenses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, huge red flags to go from stealing shoes to breaking into homes to rub feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about foot fetishes before and how they aren't totally uncommon in killers, so I help the police are maybe keeping an eye on this guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that sounds woefully optimistic that the police or judicial system would take a foot fondler seriously and give him a strong sentence, but they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For two counts of burglary,

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[SPEAKER_02]: present.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So is the story of a foot-bondler false or was there really a perv living his podiatrist pofantices?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're really pulled out of a steep dive there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds legit to me, even the sentencing sounds legit because of the kind of the severity of the crime, the what was the trespassing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a violation of physical space and of your body and definitely sexual for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yikes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's extremely believable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, oh, two for two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, you are good at this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love my notes for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have on the first one, I have just two notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I pity the fool and nipples first into the MRI, and then for the second one, I just put qt location scouting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, number three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, the thrice story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The thrice story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: we often speak of wrongful convictions and especially bad police work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes there are cases where there are understandable mixups.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then there are cases like that of Denise Huskins and Erin Quinn, who were featured in the documentary series America Nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That series is currently on Netflix and we highly recommend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those gone girl kidnappings like Sherry Papini or was it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember watching that one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'll ever forget it double nightmare triple nightmare every nightmare combined and triply unusual because we saw that couple at crime con I think Oh, yeah, so it was just an and another added level of unreality, but yeah, that was yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk about what it is because I don't want to give it away, but it is a missing woman and then it's is at the husband is she actually missing what actually happened and it's so much worse than you think it would be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's those times that officials jumped to conclusions because of arrogance, laziness, or who knows what that can lead to lives being destroyed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For this story, we're jumping all the way over to Sweden in September 2008.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The numbers I found don't go back that far, but according to statusa.com, the entire country of Sweden with the population just below 10 million experienced only 87 homicides the entire year of 2013.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for an entire country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you see the population?

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[SPEAKER_02]: 10 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they're so happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot to share.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot to share.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Living in the small village of Lofahama, on the Baltic Sea, three and a half hours south of Stockholm, along with only 400 other people, were married couple Agenta and Ingmar Westland.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On that September morning, 63-year-old Agenta took her dog on a walk by the nearby lake, a usual and frequent outing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When too much time passed, 68-year-old Ingmar became concerned and went to find his wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sadly, Ingmar did find his wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was dead, and her body was badly beaten.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ingmar ran home and called for help.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When police arrived, he took them to the woods where he had found his beloved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of the isolation of the area, and because Agenta didn't appear to have any enemies, authorities quickly jumped to a pretty fair conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Odds were, Ingmar had attacked and killed his wife and staged, whatever all this was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed much less improbable, someone that happened to have a grudge against her, found her or a psycho happened to be lurking in the woods at that moment, knowing that most women are murdered by their partners' authorities arrested Ingmar

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[SPEAKER_02]: For ten long days, Ingmar sat in a jail cell, blamed for his wife's murder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He swore up and down, he had nothing to do with her demise, that he was an innocent man, and the real killer was still in the forest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After ten days, Ingmar was released and the investigation continued, but it was too late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The damage to his personal life was done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a pariah in that tiny community.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, after six months and actual investigating, the charges against Ingmar were dropped, although authorities did not inform him of that development for quite some time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: through forensic testing and actual investigation, the real killer was eventually caught.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe not caught, but named.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When a dentist gravely injured body was recovered, she had evidence and clues all over her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was fur and saliva, which they assumed was from the family dog.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Forensic testing found that those samples had come from a moose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In Sweden, they are called elk, but it is a moose of a different color.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Moose are ginormous animals weighing around 800 pounds in standing 7 feet tall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not unheard of for a moose to attack a person, but it's usually in mating or calf season when they are protecting their babies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This case wasn't about a horny or protective mousse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was about a partying mousse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that officials knew what really killed a genta, they looked into what could have caused the attack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At a period, it was a combination of factors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the area where a genta and her dog were walking, there were apple trees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the apples had fallen and become fermented, aka chock full of alcohol.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The moose was going to town on the alcoholic apples, and when the dog appeared, it perhaps startled it, or even agitated it, and for whatever reason, the moose charged and attacked Agenta killing her with its huge ammers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not only was it gentle a victim, but so was Ingmar, even at his own wife's funeral, he was looked at as a suspect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, quote, my family and I have been dragged through a nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His friends and family had been suspecting him for months, which is why he successfully sued the authorities for the false accusation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So is the story about a murdering moose true or is it a classic Swedish twist?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just such a normal seeming thing once you know the details of it, just an animal kill there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so it sounds real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pouring more pouring more that's one of the worst things that can happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like crying the dark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, can't even lay his wife to rest because they didn't stop to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's look at her body for clues and evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, mousse hair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, saliva.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, part of an antler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did she have wounds on her that, you know, I believe they thought he stabbed her to death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it was real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the antlers that had caused these wounds and they figured, oh, he followed her out there and just I wonder what they taught her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He stabbed her with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a huge blunt knife with fur on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They obviously weren't looking that closely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What time of year was this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: September.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder if that's in the mating or... Well, I think they're saying that it wasn't quite... either of them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know that they had apples in Sweden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, actually, maybe you're lying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm going to write down the word apples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And next to that, the word lies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apples?

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[SPEAKER_00]: L-I-E-S. What are you a detective?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a real one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Apple's plus lies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Equals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Equals a deduction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, we're on to do stews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second stews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Number four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what that means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two times two is four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On Thursday, January 15th, 2026, a man robbed the BECU Credit Union in downtown Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For those not familiar, BECU is called that because it used to be the Boeing employees credit union.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, BECU is open to anyone who lives in Washington and they have over 1.5 million members.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay, credit unions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next day, Friday the 16th, a man walked into the Columbia bank on Broadway Avenue East in Seattle and robbed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask a banking question?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please, I love talking bank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are credit unions better than banks?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And is it because of what they do with the money that is part of the accounts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does a credit union do that a bank?

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[SPEAKER_02]: My understanding, well, banks are all about, like, stock market and stockholders and I feel like it all went to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it Chase or Bank of America was opening the pipeline like 10 years ago out in Montana and stuff and it's like, why are you buying a pipeline when you're a bank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, banks are shady as hell and they use your money for bad things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Credit unions, I don't know if it's specifically, I'm not well-versed enough, but I've been in a credit union my entire life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it stays either in the community or within the banking system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my money might go to a loan for someone in a bank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that sounds much better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is much better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I've been with my banks since it was Portland teachers credit union.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it became on point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was my first account.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I ever opened when I was like 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good credit union.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my very incredibly basic knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my sense of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do just know like banks are flat out evil.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the second robbery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you fall in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a robbery on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a robbery on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Boeing credit union formally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the details about the Thursday robbery, but in the Friday heist, the man walked into the bank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He approached the teller and handed them a note.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The note said he was armed with a gun and he demanded money to be handed over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The teller did that and the man ran out the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have a getaway car, but he was long gone before police arrived at the scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Police processed the bank and they were able to

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[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, are you ready for some bank robberies statistics?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, don't get any ideas and do not try this at home or the bank, but bank rubbers get away way more often than you might think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For all attempted bank robberies, 10% fail, meaning they don't get the money or they're caught at the scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Half of all bank robberies are solved within a month, only 10% more than that are solved, so pass that month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, doing the math, 40% of bank robbers get away with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really hate how much I like those odds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty good odds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even at those numbers, Bank robbery is considered a highly cleared crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, the solve rate is on the decline, which I find to be surprising given how much technology and surveillance has increased through the years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Back in the 1970s, Bank robberies were solved at an 80% rate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And by 2001, it was down to 58%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what the heck is happening?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just find it fascinating that in 25 years, the solv rate has dropped another 18%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When we have ring cameras and cell phones, and you can follow someone through a neighborhood by surveillance cameras, it's kind of crazy that it's dropping like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So wait another 10 years and maybe no one ever saw a champagne cropper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if we can get up to 50, 50s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, a coin flip?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll consider it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In 2023, there were 1,263 bank robberies, 95 burglaries and four larcenies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did look up larceny and basically the difference is the interaction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not quite sure the difference of burglary because that's breaking in and taking it, but there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 1,112 of those were banks and 1226 were credit unions, another reason that a credit union.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For known persons who committed the robberies, there were 110 women, the rest of the over 1,200, were men, or they couldn't be identified because of disguises.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Josh, and he guesses for the most common day of the week and the most common time of the day in which bank robberies happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Friday at noon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're very close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my next guest was Friday at three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Thursday and it's between one and three PM.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you're pretty pretty good instincts for the first thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting good, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have more notes to write down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good at planning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't go on a Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, wait, I'm not going with my notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for 50, 50 odds to consider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbing, dubbing, dubbing, dubbing, dubbing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for both the day of the week and the time, there's not a huge difference, you know, it's not like a huge majority of them happen on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just by a little bit and the lowest times, so maybe at this year notes is early morning, like the 7 to 9, no one's ready for a robbery at that time, but maybe that's the time, not that you should well, then you have the rest of the day to do whatever you want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And no everyone's sleepy, it was just starting their day, and everyone's like, huh?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost always sleepy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially at 3 p.m. and for the 1200 robberies almost all were committed at the bank counter and for nearly every situation there were cameras and or alarms involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, Josh, what state do you think has the highest amount of bank robberies?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's California.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is!

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that from the movie Heat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Entries overall are quite low and they usually involve the robber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In this story, the suspect should have stopped while he was ahead after getting away with the first robbery on that Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, he did the number one thing that leads to a robber getting caught.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After walking out of the second bank, it wasn't surprising he got away, looking at his clothing from the surveillance camera.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was probably wearing layers under his black pants and gray jacket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing about him stood out, and there were no details of his face that were caught on camera.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He probably turned a corner, dumped his clothes, and calmly walked through town.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe he went shopping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a few hours after the second robbery on the Friday, the police received a bizarre call from of all places, goodwill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The employee at the location in Capitol Hill called because they were checking the changing rooms when they came upon something really unexpected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a piece of paper, but it had clearly been used in a bank robbery as it was demanding cash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: police arrived and went through the store's security footage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of that footage, they were able to trace the 49-year-old suspect because he wasn't dumping his clothes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was getting new ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When they found the man, he had with him a little bit too much cash and it was clear that he had been the robber of the banks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The man has since been booked into King County Jail as the investigation continues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So is the story of a bumbling buffoon burglar true?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, okay, I know he didn't burgle the place, but I like all iterations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So is it true?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or can you not trust my good will?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did that rhyme?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they found the note at good will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I made a silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was incredibly silly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it did a bank robbery get caught at good will because his note fell out of his pocket in the changing room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may be I'm very gollable, but everything you've said to me has been totally believable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is the world that that crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you're saying true across the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it seems that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go through my notes real quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here, well, I do the three cats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear your notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go through your notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see if I have any other, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My notes for the moose murder are sweetened 2008, Ingmar, moose, apples, plus lies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one might be, is that the, that's the wildest one, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Truly wild animal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just the I guess I would say the craziest one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a crazy animal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guess he was crazy on booze.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was booze.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what's up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to go back to the beginning with Keith and the MRI machine and the 20 pound chain on his neck was this story true or beyond belief.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want it to be true, but I believe that it is beyond belief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you don't want it to be true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Dad, did he die?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to be true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a lie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is beyond my belief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very sad to report that that was a true story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And from the Go Fund Me, which you can still find, they raised 14,000 out of 12,000 that they've asked for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And part of it reads, Keith was a husband, a father, a stepfather, a grandfather, a brother, and an uncle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a friend to many.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was on a fixed income from social security and didn't have much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So at this time, my mother is asking the community for help in picking up the pieces for recent bills that she is now struggling to pay without Keith's added income.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's trying to pick up the pieces.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything will help and is very much appreciated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for understanding during this time of loss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And basically the argument, I'm not sure if legal things have happened yet, but there had been a conversation with Keith and one of the texts about his necklace because he was saying he wears it for strength training.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were aware of it and then they still, it was confirmed that a technician did allow him into the room and no one stopped to check him to make sure he didn't have anything on him, no one remembered that he had the chain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So because of the weight of the chain and being around his neck, it literally yanked him, what was it, missile effect into the machine, which caused the heart attack and then multiple heart attacks on the way the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised it didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is kind of amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't sound like as graphic as what happened in the movie and the movie someone is folded in half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more the magnet and who knows what all was happening around him that that led to that happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sad to say that Keith was killed in the MRI machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that's effective for strengthening whatever if you're trying

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's like they have those weighted best you can wear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would think it's and if I look red, it would look very cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can donate, you can look up, go fund me, and you can look up either Samantha Bauden, which was his stepdaughter, or you can look up Keith McAllister, and you can donate to there, go fund me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was real, so be very careful if you ever go for an MRI or if anyone is with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you're both just clear of metals just in case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, onto the Tahoe footfondler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does this Quentin Tarantino's dream that I dreamed and wrote or was it true?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to think I don't feel like there was anything unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was the person just a, just a drift and around going into hotel rooms?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he work there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was traveling to Lake Tahoe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed specifically for the purpose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What fetish convention?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Per, uh, uh, of convention of one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they realized that he had also been trespassing, he was stealing women's shoes, and they said self-grantification.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hence the sentence being 8 to 20 years because this wasn't just going in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am going in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he touch the feet that he put the foot in his mouth?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was massaging the feet with his hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel as though I've heard so many things about foot fetishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't surprise me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always slightly bemused by them because I just, it's one thing I don't, I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Anthony Gonzalez was indeed sentenced to eight to 20 years in prison for fondling feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a real guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have his picture on the blog.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll also put the link for the go find me for Keith on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, he really did that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which what does someone do in prison?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just draw feet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, you're right, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little creep, little foot freak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's fine, be about feet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be about feet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just do it in the light and in a room you're supposed to be in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are people you can find that would let you live that fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's a whole part of it, the sneaking in while we'll, we'll, you can roll play enough without terrorizing people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just hang out at home with a mannequin leg.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you're only rubbing my feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You might not make it out of my house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if that's worth it to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't wake me up by touching me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, you can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Foot of the bed, feet of my bed, not foot of my loom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: number three, the moose murder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was wrongfully accused and cleared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The moose was drunk on apple cider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Homemade nature made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: God's cider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is the most outlandish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to say that it's false.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I bet

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[SPEAKER_00]: that it's going to be some sort of animal that killed some sort of person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were going to say polar bear or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's probably not even anywhere near that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But some sort of gigantic predator beast, not a moose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's beyond belief and I don't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Agenta or maybe Agneta Westland was murdered by a man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the names should have really clued me in that it was real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you going to come up with Agenta or Agnita?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Ingmar though, that was in mid-Summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ingmar and old Ingmar Bergman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, to me, Mar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, unfortunately, she was indeed murdered by a mousse and Ingmar was held as a person, you know, interest for how long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 10 days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even though they did fairly quickly after that, realize what had happened, they did not inform him he was not a suspect for like six months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're like, oh, by the way, we actually solved this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he had to live in this microscopic village with everyone thinking he murdered his wife randomly out while they were walking the dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there aren't enough murders for them to be any good at the process of well, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember I said there's 10 million people and they only had 87 homicides for the entire year of 2023.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if that's distance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be just social.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The society is yeah, not into murder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I bet they don't have tons of guns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, guns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have health care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have all of the things that help eliminate crime like social services and education that we don't

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are you getting political again?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm stating Swedish facts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These are Swedish facts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they got a lot more going on than you do, even with 10 million people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they're one of the happiest places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess so, you know, it's scale when you balloon that up to 400 million people, those services get different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they get no actual and they get no they get not happening so sorry to turn our fun little program and finally rush was the bank robber caught because he went to goodwill on a shopping spree with his newly procured cash and he dropped the note and they called it in or was I just being a silly goose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a very trusting person and I just believe it's, well, I just believe everything you say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess it's that's the established trust we have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll not get off and play the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels true because there was so much detail and facts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well I do love bank robbery stats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those were true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will just say the part I am questioning is if a man was caught because he dropped the note.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All those stats were real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not this story was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well I'd really like to know what kind of pants he was wearing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because that could tell the tale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know the depth of his pockets, or if he was running a jacket, if they had little fakey pockets, because I have a little sweatshirt that I wear, it has pockets on the, you know, the immediate tummy area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so shallow, so shallow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything, they seem angled four things to fall out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it sounds so true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say that it is beyond my belief,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's not true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is true, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It pays my mind again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I flip flop and it's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are correct, sir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a true story that just happened to this last January out of Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so fresh we still do not have the supposed alleged bank robbers name or information or if he wasn't the guy who hit both the banks, but it's assumed that he was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, he was busted because the note fell out of his pocket and goodwill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These were all true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These were all true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you set out the gate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I produced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I pre-deduced this better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is much better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's so difficult because while I love making up the stories, there are so many stories that are like, I have to tell this that I don't want to waste time on a fake one like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're just, they're just enough strange elements.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, you're, you've, you've become quite, quite good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you need a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from that out of the gate, I love to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And out of the gate, they were strong, but boy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were the hardest to deduce.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's well, except that you said on each one at the end before you guessed at the end, at when I finished each story, you said they were all true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you did have it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you read right through me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, well, one, I really wanted to share Keith McAllister with the MRI because of the GoFundry and share that information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry if I said anything mean, Keith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just such an awful way that you die and then the way that you died kind of has to be explained.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's so unusual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that she was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That she was the one asking for him and the people didn't do their job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think obviously no one wants that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't anything malicious or like purposely forgetting something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to not have such strict protocol to be like before you enter this room, we have to come out with a wand and make sure there's nothing on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like instead of just a casual like I come on and Keith come help her up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a wash to me, liability-wise in my mind, but I've been thinking it's a money out of that house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they should.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some sort of protocol did not get followed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ingmar was accused of murdering his wife when it was a moose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I got busted with the letter, and foot fetish boy is going away for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's almost the most unbelievable part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The sendencing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that he got eight to 20 years when we're like, oh, this man was caught breaking into a house, attempting to murder a child and raped the mother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got six months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we let him out the same day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said he we promised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd be peaky promised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was not going to do it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the doos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We deduced it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What a world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What a strange world we live in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope again, this was fun not in that we are laughing at or entertained by anyone's demise, because it's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more like, can you believe this happened?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes you can't even believe it happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like every day when you wake up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for listening to and hopefully playing along with deduce, we'll be back in a couple weeks of the new episode and just take it easy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Be nice to yourself, say nice things to yourself drink water, eat some good food, and get a lot of rest, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can go over to Patreon to get our other deduces.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, if you haven't heard to do this before, they're over on our Patreon, and as usual, we'll have some extra content from this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, it'll be some nearly forbidden content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's be careful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will have extra content from this episode available on our Patreon for just $1 a month and we'll be back next week with a new episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A dollar and they get on Patreon and they get ad free episodes and this, it's a buck and they get extra, all that little extra stuff that we cut for the main feed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that, but I didn't know that it was at that price point, that's pretty extraordinary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, I didn't know we were doing that that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Jews Do stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew stew in my shorts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh You're already for this

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[SPEAKER_02]: and magnetic resonance safety certified.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to do this sentence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What information are you transmitting and hovering over them or the clatter of a splatter of a splatter because the dooses lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good line that's had a real nice rhythm to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the clatter of the splatter, because the juice is loose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But doos is loose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry, Starburst.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clatter of the splatter, because the juice is loose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You, hey, Bruce, the goose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: STAT, I say, status A, status A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The numbers I found don't go back that far, but according to statusa.com, but I can say dot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can't think of a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: King wealth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: King Kong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: King.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cron.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Cron.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The king of Cron.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to tell me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to define it for the listener.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The crown is made of dried crops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cron crops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I nibble on them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, can I give you a corn cob fun fact?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the days before toilet paper, people used, well, like newspaper and stuff, but also corn cobs to wipe their butts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cob?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dried cob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd save the cob, I think, until it, maybe not until it dried out and then run that up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Run that up there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get everything in between.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it kind of has little pockets, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, would you have the corn on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's just post-eating, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're heading over to Josh's corn cob and cornhole corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you got for us to do Josh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cornhole corner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't a huge difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why do we watch for the guys on the roof for like a week or something?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roof man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some suicide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have health care because we have to follow my ran.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Daddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very cute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Daddy, no kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The best kind of dad is right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not trying to get rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are trying to pay the costs of making the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With a tiny amount of cream on top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So tiny, you can't even taste it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: this ain't in glorious bastards cream on top okay can you please give us your cream I know you can see but it's not always worth of cream when you come over here to move this to let me out will you make the face you think I'm making to that comment absolutely yes and I know that I'll nail it I love you

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you do?

