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[SPEAKER_00]: What is up everybody?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to comic book club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Alex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Justin and we got a special episode for you today I was about to say bonus episode, but you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the main episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the main line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is the main line We were this is too much information, but we are not having a live show tonight April 7th We were supposed to have a great guest on it unfortunately some stuff came up with traveling for myself and Justin Phoenix Arizona, right guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's where you're going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, but maybe I have no, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we are instead having our guest who is very generously agreed to chat with us anyway at a non-live time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of our favorite guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite guys to talk to you over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very excited to talk to him about all the awesome comic book work he has coming out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Morris, Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's me, Mainline Morris, here on the Mainline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Join us more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Always excited to talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a bunch of stuff coming out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll kind of lay out some of the titles that are coming out in order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got web of them coming out from Marvel on April 8th, then amazing Spider-Man Spider-Verseity, which you're co-writing with Joe Kelly, is coming out April 22nd, and the third issue of Predator Bloodshed is coming out April 29th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People can pick up the first two issues now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to talk about all that stuff, but I want to talk about something leading into that first, which is that your career, at least from our perspective, from my perspective as a comic book dude, has changed dramatically over the past couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we first met,

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[SPEAKER_00]: through podcasting stuff and comedy stuff, you did your podcast, made it into a comic book, did another graphic novel, and now you're very much in your Marvel era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What has that dream been like, Jordan?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have never thought about myself as having eras.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've just like Taylor Swift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's good to hear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was saying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not thought about it like that, but yeah, it's very cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it is interesting to kind of track.

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[SPEAKER_02]: stuff I've been doing as it relates to this podcast because I like, was a listener of y'all's, and I think maybe the first time I did it, I was just in New York and kind of invited myself on, and I'm like, hey, I'm a just a guy who likes comics and likes the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I think I came on, and I think in the recommendations, someone's like, have you checked out this book, saga?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And anyway, if that dates it at all, saga was just coming out and so one's like, maybe check this thing out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It might become one of the greatest comics of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and then yeah, it's been so fun to like come on just as a comics fan and then to come on and actually talk about comics that I have made, it's insanely cool and it's like not lost on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as far as how I'm feeling about now,

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[SPEAKER_02]: getting to work with Marvel stuff, like, I don't have a more interesting answer than it's so cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great, and I love it, and it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I had a more nuanced take on it, but just like, yeah, I mean, you guys know, I've been a Marvel reader basically in my whole life, and like, it's, you know, always this weird little dream that you have, like, oh, maybe I could, but like, and to actually do it and to like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: do something that's part of the 616 and to do something with Joe Kelly, I mean yeah this stuff is really cool, I'm really lucky and you know I'm there's perhaps a little bit of hard work and skill involved I guess but like a lot of the stuff is just like it's it's luck and good timing and I'm just like feel so thankful that I get to do it and it's been so much fun and I'm so happy with how this stuff is turning out like I think it's coming out really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and I know that as creative people, you'd know that feeling of like, you do something and it's in your brain and then it comes out and you kind of pick it apart and you're like, well, you know, and I have those feelings about this stuff, but mostly I'm like, whoa, cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think getting to work with cool artists is absolutely a big part of it because, you know, they obviously are just drawing the hell out of these books.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you know, good editors to kind of like help you long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm, I'm stoked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and like, I feel like a lot of people sneak into their marble era with like, I'm doing, I'm a fill in arc or launching something and it's sort of like getting it on the boiler plate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're in here doing big weird stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we call this stuff big and weird?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it can's in the best way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is big and weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why don't you talk about web of venom first since that's absolutely wild?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I can, and I'll talk about it carefully because I think there's a fun, there's a very fun secret, and there's a fun reveal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be as, you know, KG is possible, well, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, actually making people want to buy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is, you know, there has been, if you're a Spidey Venom Reader, you know that this red and blue Venom suit has been popping up in various ways in the comics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think in an epic, or sorry, an episode, an issue of Venom by All-Uing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the MJ Venom put on the red and blue Venom suit to kind of like trick dot cock, and I wrote a great, I'd like to turn that great, anyway, I like to turn it on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bad guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a backup for that issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's in better story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that really made the first one look like a stinker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the film's been awesome so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People are not read as get caught up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, Alan, you and Carlos Gomez, what a book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I wrote a backup for that issue about this kind of alternate reality of character named Eddie Parker who gets a symbiote named Pete, who

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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe it's a little gregarious, but has a coat of honor, likes to make a lot of jokes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we wrote this kind of backup story about this kind of amalgamation character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If that turned out really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then my friend in years Jordan D. White, the editor of the Venom books came to me and said, we want to do something with this costume that is in the 616.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We want it to be like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, just kind of an official part of the world, um, yeah, so that that's kind of, that's kind of what they came to me with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, and then the ideas they wanted it to be someone in the 616.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't want it to be just like a new person or a, you know, a kind of an amalgamation character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted it to be like someone we know and love gets this bread and blue symbiote.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I pitched them a bunch of ideas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It ranged from, I could see that too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's insane, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they decided on one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really stoked with the one they picked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and again, this is probably where I should stop saying specifics because I think the reveal is really fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there is a character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: from Marvel Comics, who we all know in love, part of the Spidey Phenom family, who gets this symbiote, maybe somebody you wouldn't expect, maybe somebody who's a little ill-equipped for this kind of power.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, this is me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am the... You could not handle it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't handle it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't handle it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: just a simple podcast host who gets the goop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it is a kind of one shot story about this this very unusual character who gets a symbiote who has to kind of go on this adventure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe an Avenger to shows up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you know, but I do actually mean what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a series tricker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I turn in the script.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what he's in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you love the like, if you love the deep bench like I do, if you love the like bar with no name, weirdos, yeah, if you love those kind of like goofier, spidey villains, I think you're going to have a lot of fun with this book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and I think it's something we maybe want to continue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope folks pick it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you like it, please tell a friend, tell the internet, because yeah, it's a fun, cool, spidey venom story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really stoked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is not your department, but here you describe the jettisess of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very funny only in comics thing where it's like, we need to find out what these clothes are up to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, different clothes, the previous clothes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, like, I'm sure you feel you're not a story behind that that makes sense to be to emotionally, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just the way these things go, it's very funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's definitely like, yeah, they're like aware that fans are kind of into this, you know, into this look and into the suit and they want to like create something cool for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, I mean, comics are visual, like as a kid, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the first comics we picked up were probably was because the cover looked cool, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I think they're kind of like leaning into that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think we had a fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really like a fun way to like put together a story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, and I had a blast with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think we kind of came up with something cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: next up while we're walking through the month of April you have a spider adversity which I love the concept of this we talked we had show on the show a couple of weeks back and he talked about it a little bit and talked about working with you very complimentary but the idea of this book for anybody doesn't know is Norman

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osborne who has been a good guy for a little while or sort of a good guy or conflicted good guy realizes at some point he's going to turn back into the green goblin, most likely there's going to be that pull there and he wants to prepare the younger spider heroes to get ready essentially to defeat him or potentially pose that are worse than him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the pitch, what else do we need to know about the book Jordyn?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I excited to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I should double back and shout out Luke Ross and Ramon, Rassana, who are doing the art for web-of-enem?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing a beautiful job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This art lifts gorgeous, the fight scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, both of them are very good with acting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the little bit of comedy in our book, we have Lance Real Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, beautiful art from those fellas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, spider-versity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think just someone came up with this portmanto spider-versity and I think they liked the idea And we're just kind of trying to kind of figure out, you know, what to do with this idea I think it's been kind of in the sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just enjoying the pattern of like we have close What do we do with this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what does it mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's been in the freezer at Marvel for a minute, and yeah, I think this is definitely Joe's Joe's baby, and he, you know, came with a lot of it worked out, and yeah, like you said, kind of in the pages of ASMR, which if you're not reading it, oh my God, you should do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's wild right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really cool stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they, they, I think they kind of just found a place where this fit really cool in that, like Norman is kind of in this era of his, yes, me Norman Osborne in Taylor Swift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Three, three main line dudes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is kind of trying to be a good guy and mostly succeeding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think he knows, you know, like almost like he's a comic book reader, he knows that like the goblin could come back at any time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like when he does, somebody's got to do something about him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's fought Pete enough times to where he knows,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know peep peep peeps a soft in so many ways and he wants to forgive people and he wants to see the best in people and like obviously that's why he's one of the greatest kind of book here as of all time and that's why we love him but I think that's it's a norm in that soft and I think he is his motivation is he's like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I train some of these younger spiders who are so powerful?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he sees that in them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's been sometimes when they've fought with each other, or fought alongside each other, I guess I should say an ASM.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, he knows that, like, wow, like these kids have some, like, serious abilities, like miles and Glenn, punch above their weight class so often, and like spider girl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she has some insane powers that, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: if tapped correctly, she could just be this like, oh, make a level hero.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, and I know, oh, make a level, something you say when you talk about mutants, so don't get in my mentions, I'm just trying to be a scriptwriter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stay out of my mentions, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think, so he is kind of put together this concept spider-versity with kind of under the kind of observation of Jessica Drew, spider-woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the idea is to like, help these kids

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[SPEAKER_02]: They could be the X-Men, they could be the Avengers, they certainly have the power, like they have, you know, the juice and the experience, but like it's always interesting as a reader, it's like when the spiders team up right like in the spiderverse stuff, it's kind of like impromptu, it's like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we got to do something, you know, like, okay, we got something's happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's vampires are eating us and then like everyone teams up, but but they've, I don't know, they've never like had that organizing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh, that's such a great observation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're right, like so much of Spider-Man, Spider-Man characters teaming up are like, oh, oh, I happen to be on the same block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a coincidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When so many other families, it's very much an organized

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think part of that is like it even goes back to like spider sense, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it happens in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an Institute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that's in the gut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, yes, they do that so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like like like Pete, he improvises, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's his thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Norman is saying like what if what if?

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was training, what if there was a plan in place for stuff?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What if it wasn't just like when the spider sense goes off, we thwip somewhere?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he's such a tactician.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He plans for every eventuality, like that's what he's great at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's such a great villain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why he's given like a good spider man in the pages of ASM because he does have those tactics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I think that's kind of the jumping on point for the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he is kind of like giving them the infrastructure to work as a team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, I know there's kind of a promise with that title of Spider-Verseity of like, you kind of want to see him do college stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I think that's really fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The fun idea of like setting a Spidey story at college, and some of them are college aged, some of them are not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think I hope we put in some of the fun of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's their dorm room look like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What happens when they go to a college party?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how do they relate to the other kids on campus?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who are not super power and ass kickers?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I hope we bring both.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope we bring this like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was just going to say, I'm so glad to hear you say that because a personal pet peeve is when I get into school based stuff and they're like, this is set in a school and now they've left the school and where they never go to class and there's nothing about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um, you know, it's interesting because you do have to think like Norman a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You do have to think like what would this guy think is important, how would he set it up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so a little bit, I feel like I did kind of have to be like Professor Norman, and I say I and like obviously like Joe Kelly has a lot to say about this and our great editor Nick low also Just a great dude and a a fount of comic book knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you've talked to him in the Yeah, yes, a a wonderful dude who knows his stuff Yeah, but I think we are kind of thinking about like

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[SPEAKER_02]: what would be on Professor Norman Osborn's lesson plan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think we've come up with some really fun stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I should say that like Perry Perez is just, could not be drawing this thing harder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing such a great job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome action, like super expressive characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you've seen any of his stuff, like his team up books are so good and like he's, he's bringing that here for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alex is so curious because he got rejected from Spider-Verseity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I apply early decision the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a spider safety school?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I went to a SUNY purchase, which is spider university of New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can just go to spider community college for a couple of years and save some money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, learn from actual spider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Live at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, live home commute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a follow up about Norman because he I think Alex was sort of saying we're we don't trust him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one trusts him as a character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in this case, like he's gone from like just being hit a sins taken away and then he's just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man's bud guy in the chair as a person two being Spider-Man and now to train a generation of heroes How to beat him feels like genuinely a relic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like setting up himself to be sacrificed for good Exactly, so do you feel is he a hero you see has he crossed the rubble?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think that this thing that he's doing is like genuinely has good intentions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you see, going about it the right way, you'll have to read.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, but yeah, I think that it is selfless and I think that like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know like like all great comic book characters he's two people he's Norman Osborne he's the goblin and he like knows what the goblin can do and he's he's planning for it so yeah I do think Norman has good intentions and I am trying to think about him like Pete thinks about him like he just peaches sees the best in people that again that's like why he's one of the great comic book characters he he sees the best in people he forgives them like and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I guess I'm trying to think about him like that and it's it's tough because I've been reading about all the shit this guy's done all my life And he's so bad dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a bad dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like I personally have read so many stories about this guy being evil and I'm like, do I trust this guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I do this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I am trying to look at him like Pete looks at him, which is like

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, he's worthy of forgiveness because everybody is, you know, so yeah, it's, it's it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a thought exercise for sure, and I don't know, and I think that's what makes it kind of an interesting juicy story and not just like, you know, characters, teaming up to, to defeat another, you know, turbo alien, which obviously is cool, and I will read about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reg alien.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's going to play turbo alien in the MCU?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Glendale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be Glendale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this does have a little like emotional layer, thought exercise layer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is too spoiler-y question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this title is feeding directly out of the current plot line in amazing spider man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been set up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe there's five issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Running monthly, that would wrap it up around September, which is when I believe around amazing spider-man 1000 when that's going to be released, is this going to be feeding back into that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can answer that question, Alex.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No one tells me anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best way to explain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not knowing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Generally, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My feeling, just based on...

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some emails is that there will be stuff happening in spider diversity that will be important in ASM 1000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, do I know that for sure?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stand up, I mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that there's stuff we're doing in the book that will

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[SPEAKER_02]: that will carry over in two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Jordan, I'm in your mentions right now, and it's an absolute disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's mad, everyone's yelling, it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's fighting each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really Taylor Swift responded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, stop lumping us in together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's just weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's saying there's a love triangle with you and Travis and her, so like, listen, this is I cannot comment on this No, no, no, if I answer 1,000 that will actually That I can promise you having a fair with Travis Kelsey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the weirdest swing for that issue Yeah, you're trying to expect it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can repair it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I had to predict an amazing Spider-Man 3000 with this Norman Osborne situation

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely, uninformed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I say, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you about the third title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Predator Bloodshed, like I said, the third issue is coming out April 29th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this title is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, love the first two issues of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For anybody who hasn't read it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an exactly what it is, but it was sold as like MMA fighters and then the predator enters the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have put it more akin to like what if a predator came on on mortal combat basically?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, except like licensed free mortal combat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a legally dissimilar underground fighting tournament that no one can sue about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, which is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have high sky and spear man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is like it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to use closer to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He shots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's he.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A little less hokey than get over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's, but all of the characters are really well drawn and very precise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun to see them going up against a predator and getting killed in horrible ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You also got to do have an emotional hit there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The feels like a very classic predator, emotional hook of a guy who just wants to get back to his family and do right by his family and the stuck in this situation, not that it's without humor, but knowing you is more of a humor guy, at least two books we've talked about like Sprite Diversity Sounds like it has some humor in it for sure, a web of venom definitely, but getting this book was there more of a conscious effort to be like, okay, I'm going to take this a little more seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't going to be jokes per minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, and it's something I have been thinking a lot about, and you know, so, okay, you know, when you like see something announced in the, you know, press, whether it be a comic or a movie and you like see the creative team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, huh, that's a weird choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I felt like when they asked me to do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that's a weird choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: A guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, who has a very comedy-heavy resume.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was flattered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was so excited that they asked me to do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I started with, I did a,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a story in an anthology called Predator Blackwight and Blood I think turned out really cool the great editor Martin Bureau over there at Marvel asked me to do it and yeah I think they were just kind of happy with how that story turned out and my timeliness with my scripts and so yeah they they asked me to do the mini and I

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought to myself, like, I don't know if I'm the guy for this, like, yeah, you know, like predator stuff, it's it's it's funny, but like it is not jokes per minute, like it has a couple of choice moments and lines and you know, maybe even like if you look at that first movie some stuff that's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, kind of funny because it's can't be rather than like it being a structure joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, I thought a lot about it and you know, I think I had an instinct of like, could I do a predator parody book, you know, like, is this a thing where I find a funny spin on it and, you know, like, what is it like when you're whole society hunts people for sport and does anything get done?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, are there accounts on the Predator planet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they like, so you know, I thought about that, but like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I I then I just thought like what if I just did it like what if I just tried to write a Predator thing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've I've seen enough Predator stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love those movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love those dark horse comics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've seen so much time in this little world like I think I could do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I know what I like about the series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I know what I

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I know what I respond to and could I just do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I kind of like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it would be fun to try.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, I think, you know, I've worked in late night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've worked in kids animations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something where you have to like just come up with a lot of jokes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, what if I'm like, okay, maybe I'll take...

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[SPEAKER_02]: this story a little more seriously and I'll kind of think about the action and like what's the humor like and predator stuff can I try and replicate it and I think that there are a couple of like funny jokes in each issue and like it's it's it's not humorless and it's not you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: Grimdark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it does have fun and stuff in it, but yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought to myself, like, what if I just tried to do a predator thing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was the way to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really like how it's turning out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think it is like, I think it does have the stuff that I like about predator in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: what while also having something, and I think we definitely like those movies are full of commentary, like they have a bunch of like political and societal commentary, the Predator, who's the Predator, is it, man, you know, is it, nor is it the fucking alien that's shopping our heads off?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also, it's the alien, but also, you know, yeah, sure, yeah, sure, long answer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I think we we we we try and we're trying to kind of bring some like kind of dark humor and some commentary to it as well Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been really fun and I I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like I'm glad we're taking the approach of like just do a predator thing rather than like What's the spoof version even though that would be?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably kind of funny and fun, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a the stupidest way to introduce something but I saw a post on Blue Sky the other day then I was like I kind of agree with but I'm not 100% sure about but I think it's applicable to this conversation which somebody was throwing out their theory why so many comedy and specifically sketch comedy people are good and also horror like they only mentioned Zach Krieger from White

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kian Peel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I throw Josh Rubin, who know probably from college humor stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he did the men Yeah, he did Heart eyes within and heart eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, really fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a menu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, onion guy They use a late night writer from Seth Meyers show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know, he had some sort of assertion about like a surprise and shock or something like that, which I was like, all right, maybe that gets kind of towards it, but I'd love to get your take on it as somebody who does have the comedy background, but is also doing a very good job with pretty straight across the plate, predator book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think the confluence there is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does comedy make it easier to do these horror and or horror action things?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a great question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I don't have a super solid answer, but I think it's like, it's that stuff you said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, a big part of comedy is surprise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's shocked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like something unexpected happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, a laugh is a body's, you know, reaction to something unexpected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and that's like obviously what makes great horror, too, something surprising, something shocking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, yeah, so I think someone who has done a lot of comedy kind of knows about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: push poll pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think like, I do think like horror stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the horror stuff that's endured so well does have a lot of comedy in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, scream is very funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those movies are funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're obviously so gruesome too, but like, I don't know, so much a part of a reason why that movie hit is that it has good jokes and it has good commentary and it's a different kind of joke than that's in, you know, a straight up comedy, but like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Freddy's funny like the predator movies are funny and I think all this stuff has comedy in it And it's not the first thing you think about, but I think it's part of the reason people love it So I think that like the the horror stuff that stuck around For the for the most part I think isn't the most

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[SPEAKER_02]: grimmed art or deal stuff, but it is stuff that mixes in a little comedy sparingly, like it's a, you know, it's a spice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's too much, then yeah, you know, ruins the dish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we can all think of a horror thing or two that like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: goes a little too hard with the comedy, and it fucks it up, you know, and so yeah, I think I think we all have that example in our head of like, they try to little too hard to be funny with this, and it shit the bed, and I think about that with Predator a lot, and they've definitely cut a lot of jokes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be very clear, I've good editors who are saying, this is too much of a joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can, I'll tell you off mic about some of the stuff they wouldn't let us do, but it's not much, honestly, it's just

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think great horse stuff has comedy in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're judiciously and correctly, it's part of the region we love the stuff, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always funny to me that people are like, well, you can't have any of that in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When so much of life is like a horrible thing followed by a funny thing, and laughing at those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also like you're saying, I feel like a really good joke actually helps say you up for the next scary moment because it disarms you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, and then when you're scared,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's the push pull of it and that's I feel like exactly what you're saying and doing this book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're, we're, we're certainly trying that with, with bloodshed of like, you know, having those moments kind of exists near each other and, uh, yeah, making sure that it is fun, but also shocking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a lot of stuff, Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have three big books going on, but before we start to wrap up here, anything else you want to plug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do a little bit of podcasting over there on the maximum fun at work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do Jordan Jesse Go, a chat show with Jesse Thorne that I've done for years and years and years and years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gaston and we shoot the shit and I also have a, you know, a year-ish old podcast that I do with the great comics Emily Fleming and Matt Lee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We do free with ads and that is a show where we watch a weird movie on a free with ad streaming site and we talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we have a lot of fun over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we do a lot of horror and we do a lot of cult stuff and we do a lot of campy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's a fun time and you can listen to both of those wherever you get your podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great talking to you as always.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looking forward to seeing how it works out with you in Travis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got to get that ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let's just turn back to your bucket It's easy and I get it, I get it, I want the beat There's no gold mine, it's better, I make sense here And it's better now, it's better, I don't listen It's better, I don't listen

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[SPEAKER_03]: They sit on crappy couches and they let us see what we can And he's just a monkey, they're like a special guest speaker So grab your ring, hammer, don't relay for it, oh fair, fair