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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Charlie Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Boston Red Sox hit one in five and 30th at a 30 in major league baseball, absolutely taking this league by storm in all the wrong ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy Schilling our very own host has said that you can't win a division or a season in a month, but you sure as bleep can lose it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, not feeling very great right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been unpleasant for six games, and I know I may be alone on that one, but I'm probably not Doug.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you've probably been to every single game at least twice a season given your history.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you're like the Hermione Granger sports, you probably went to a game twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, yeah, so let's hit some hot takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doug, why don't you hit us with your hot take for this one?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you got?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so mine's from,
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's fair, fifth, 27, red socks sit in the last place in the AL East by the All-Star Break, forcing mid-season staff changes, is his hot take.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree with half of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we will be sitting in the last place in the AL East.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we will, I think we'll be ahead of the race by the All-Star Break at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: but I do agree with the staff changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Faxi will last by then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just the first to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he'll be the first domino.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we're sitting in last place, there definitely will be staff changes if we're sitting the second for last place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there still will be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it starts with FATC before then.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think at the break, we can see a lot of changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we can see possibly Brazil.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, it's hard to think they'll do that midseason, but we can see Coro, we can see FATC.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can see, and if this pitch and staff falls together, like falls apart, who knows, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I agree with half of his take, what do you guys think?
[SPEAKER_00]: I could certainly see it as being the last place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see it like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in your scenario, I mean, if we're ahead of anyone, it would be the race, but I don't know by how much by this by the looks of it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the Hobbes part of that take is actually the mid-season staff changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because to me, if you're in the last place by mid-season, like Fatty's already gone, because you will have already been so poor leading up to mid-season at the All-Star Break,
[SPEAKER_00]: That I think that they would have already made every move that they will make, including getting rid of like a piece of that, so maybe even an Andrew Bailey.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, the only moves that would be left to make at that point would maybe chorus, who I don't see the moving on midseason and same thing with breast low.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, Korra, I could see almost a scenario where in the latter days of the year, almost like we did to Haim Bloom, where out of nowhere, you have cut ties with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they will basically put that on, breastlow, make it look like a tis fault his decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he will be the sacrificial limb in the off season if any.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, it's, it's sad because I don't even know how hot of a take this is outside the mid-season changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I mean, just we just look absolutely dreadful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to make matters that much more worse, April is in a bismal month for the boss and Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your schedule from April 17th, which is in a couple of weeks,
[SPEAKER_01]: One month from that point, you have four games against Detroit, three games against the Yankees, three against Baltimore, three at Toronto, three more against Houston, three more into Detroit, four Tampa Bay, three in Philly, three in Atlanta, and then three in Kansas City, you don't get a cupcake until maybe Minnesota, which is May 22nd.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be lucky if you break even in those four game series.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will be 10 games under or more by the end of May.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will be one of the last place teams if we don't figure it the bleep out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's embarrassing because if you can't put up five runs minimum in a game,
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably aren't going to win that game.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I'm going to say 90% of the time, if you don't put up a four or five spot, you're going to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: You only won the first game, because Garrett for shape-hitched.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anybody else had given up four or five runs, we're sitting, oh, in six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, in six, were the only game where the only team without a win?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely agree with that sentiment that, yeah, the Red Sox in last place in the L.E.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude,
[SPEAKER_01]: American League.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just the East, there's a chance we could be so bad if it doesn't turn around quick, we could be the worst team in the American League, 15 out of 15.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're sitting 30 out of 30 with a 1 in 5 record.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've scored 17 runs in six games.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's less than three runs per.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's not gonna get it done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for all those, you know, people that are saying, oh, well, you know, it's just gonna take a blowout, like guys, we've already seen a couple and they haven't gone in our direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't give the run support for a Garrett Crusade, he gives up as Doug had mentioned right before we went on the air, that the judge special three run Johnny, you're gonna get punished when you can't score three runs until any eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to score early, you need to score fast, you need to stop making boneheaded decisions and mistakes because those are gonna cost you,
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't make fielding mistakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get picked off on first base and I love gerendorin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a gerendorin supporter in every fashion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hated seeing that happen to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know he was gutted.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were all gutted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sucked.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not at a place where your scoring runs that will where you can afford to take chances and make those risks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fatsy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goodbye.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to ship him now at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could bring literally anybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any retired player in here, I'd rather see what they have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people could say, oh, well, you didn't replace Devers, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't place O'Neal, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Breigman is gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was never a power hit or so let's stop pretending.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you haven't done a good job of replacing power with power.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's, there are no true sexy names here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of pressure that has been placed on the shoulders of Roman Anthony is absolutely insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot expect a 21 year old kid as I think Terry mentioned, a, in theory, junior in college, who barely is legally able to drink the pressure of Boston on his shoulders.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't, it's not,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we are, having to experience it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when he has a golden, some bread or some bread or strikeouts,
[SPEAKER_01]: in a game, that sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna happen, rookie struggles.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't remember who it was exactly that said, we need to stop having rookie's challenge the ABS call and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm for that, if you haven't been the league, X amount of years, just take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you do, you should be dropping, giving 25 pushups.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should not be doing that if you have less than 100 games.
[SPEAKER_01]: on your under your belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bad message, especially if you get it wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because now you tried showing up the Empire and you were wrong twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once because you thought it was wrong and then twice when everybody had to rewatch it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Fatsy's got to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who I blame more if it's Korra who's being told what needs to be done as far as the lineup is concerned or if somebody from above is saying this is your lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like Dave Roberts managing the Los Angeles Dodgers who has the easiest job in baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to manage players.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just have to manage Ecos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just have to make sure that everybody's playing nice and holding hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Boston, you have to manage talent, egos, BS, and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got players that are being benched for who knows what reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still are not 100% sure, and even if someone told me, I still don't know if I would believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're six games in and we're not looking like a major league baseball team.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not ready, and it's the first week of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it reminds me a couple of years ago when they were arresting certain guys, Alex Corres arresting certain starters during spring training so that they would have the month of April to almost act as like a secondary spring training and it was a disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whoever's making the decision to punt the first week of the season and bench some of your star players, Benching Jaren Duran.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, your brain has won if you've been one of your biggest bats at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if someone were to say, oh, he can't hit left user.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't hit right.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's your best hitter right now, he should be in your lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he shouldn't be hitting where he is in your lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should be hitting a lot higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of problems right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know who's to blame, but if they don't figure it out, they're going to all be demoted to a job that involves touching, you know, what with their hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they need to figure it out and fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else you guys want to add?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, no, just, uh, I think we're all in agreement that, you know, fats will be will be the first will be the first to go because it's not like it's too early in the season because he's been around.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's been around for five seasons or so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I do, you know, I might be crazy, but I do think this weekend they will turn it around a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if they don't, if this weekend is like, just another sweep, a bismal group, I think it's, you can pull the hook on Fancy that, that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the reality is is that this is probably the least talented lineup that Fancy's had to work with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would argue he's underachieved with every single one that he's had.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for us to expect him to turn a turret into a diamond, just doesn't make sense at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it's going to change much and we can blame coaches all we want the guys are still professional hitters and need to hit the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That too, you know, they get some blame too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got Evan at the ball cleaner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Baill will not have a roster spot at the deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, looking at the way he pitched the other night, doesn't necessarily seem like such a hot take at face value, however.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at the rest of the pictures on the staff and rotation,
[SPEAKER_00]: I find it hard to believe that he won't have a rotation spot because as bad as he was, I'd still take him over Sonny Gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of really, probably the only picture on this staff, as far as the starting rotation, then I would say I would 100% take over Brian Bayo in this moment in a big spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say that about range of spores.
[SPEAKER_00]: not when he's got the red socks hitting for him and he doesn't have to fill it off your fillies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly wouldn't say that for Sonny Gray and then Oviato and insert any other name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tanner Hawke, he's hurt, who knows what's going to happen, he comes back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot Cutter Cropper's even alive at this point, who knows what's going to ever happen with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, when you look at the death that we have outside of the bullpen, just for the rotation,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is a very, very strong statement to sit at Brian Beauder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he doesn't, then I will tell you we will be on absolute fire in that moment to the point where who gives a belief.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am a Bayo guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Bayo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I like Bayo a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this is, I mean, that's a hot, hot take because I just, I think that's a little, a little far, you know, I think, I do think he'll be one of our better pictures.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, I'm not saying he'll be great, but just by default, he will be one of our better pictures, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do trust him, you know, he's gotten better every year that he's been a red dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: and last year was especially in for that was especially you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he didn't have the worst start.
[SPEAKER_02]: He fell apart in the fifth and stuff, but I thought through the first four, he looked all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I think he'll be a good starting pitcher, you know, and I don't think he'll be terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he'll be anything great, but good enough to be a middle rotation
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my problem with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Evan, I appreciate the take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brian Bay will not have a roster spot at the deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have moved not one, not two, not three, but four names that couldn't theory still be here, not counting Cutter Crawford, who's injured and in the witness protection program, and Tanner Howe, who's still recovering.
[SPEAKER_01]: You traded away Kyle Harrison for someone that I still don't understand his purpose right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe it could have been cool, but he's a gadget guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know disrespect to short guys, hello myself, but like
[SPEAKER_01]: what is your purpose?
[SPEAKER_01]: If your goal was to be getting someone who can nerf and hit balls in, you know, funky spots, you're, you're now going to try hitting at one of the hardest parks in baseball where one maybe none of your home runs last year would have been a counted up family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we, do we know how many of his home runs last year would have been
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly remember something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you here?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your purpose?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Harrison was one of the only pieces we got that we still had at the time when we traded away rafi-devers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we traded away tibbs.
[SPEAKER_01]: for Dustin May, who we just, he ended, and that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim's by the way, is it in 545 and Triple A right now in the Dodgers Farm System?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely torching it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would be a great person to have in our farm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the password, he's also gone because we added Oviato, who hasn't done great so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another person in your farm system that's not there anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've depleted your farm with two possibly great bits of talent, and you've replaced it with a pitcher of Yelekko, Oviya, who hasn't done well, and then you traded Kyle Harrison away, who did spectacular in his first start, not in Boston?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the worst part is that it's the second pitcher that's gone to Milwaukee that has had an exponentially great
[SPEAKER_01]: So what in God's holy name have to ask, what are we doing with pitchers?
[SPEAKER_01]: That is making them absolutely just lethargic at doing their job and pitching well in Boston, and then finding Jesus when they leave Boston, because it's infuriating, watching players light it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing,
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be facing some former friends in the next coming series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bueller was dismissed, dispatched, and ended up doing, I think, fine, when he was a member of the Phillies, I don't know if there's a picture that wants to shove it to Boston more than him right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, if he goes out there and gives you five, six plus and strikes out six or seven, whatever, I don't think his fastball's nearly where it used to be, I think he blew himself out
[SPEAKER_01]: That should be a warning flag.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not raising the flags already, if that doesn't do it for you and you still have faith in people like your rotation, that still hasn't shown up there still unhealthy or players that haven't come back because they're still injured or have been injured for over a year or it feels like over a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you the type of person that thinks, oh, if the Red Sox don't, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, we'll get there eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, eventually isn't good enough in Boston.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if Bayo doesn't have a spot in that rotation, who are you replacing him with, Obieto?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peyton Toli, not only develops another pitch, I don't see that happening either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett Whitlock, L-O-L-Brow, it's not happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just, we continue to make dumb decisions with the starting rotation, and it is continuing to bonus in ways that are just unfathomable, and it's infuriating.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is honestly every single time I see a starting picture get traded, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Get ready for a 15 win 200 strikeout season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Harrison is a type of guy that could probably get 15, 16 wins and strikeout 200 guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harrison will get you 14, 15 wins in Milwaukee and he will strike out minimum 180 guys to 200 this year in Milwaukee.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna get it done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna do it and he's gonna be laughing all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna be sitting there saying, oh wow, if only,
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, if Bay was not here anymore, then you've literally put a fork in this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chickens done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: You put so much pressure on the names you currently have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't all deliver, what's your backup plan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Pray?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it doesn't work in baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hope is not a strategy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm terrified if this doesn't work out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to expand upon the point you made as far as but the trades in Milwaukee because, you know, number one, it should be illegal for the Red Sox to trade with Milwaukee when there's a picture involved coming from Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, I don't know what's worse because, you know, it makes me angry enough when you send a player somewhere else and they just didn't work out for you and they become a star.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's somewhat understandable, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there could be many factors, it could be the fact that they just
[SPEAKER_00]: can't handle it in Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to a small market, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: But nothing pisses me off more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then when you send someone you never gave a true chance to, and they go in the absolute light up, they've even now done it twice, because Kyle Harrison didn't get a fair shake in Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he didn't get a chance in Boston, and you know, well, it's didn't win pre-ser.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them absolutely deleted up as soon as they got their chance at Milwaukee, and it's not like the brewers don't play a big baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might not knocktober.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they do in the regular season and you got to have big games in the regular season to get talked to over and to be honest with you, the performers have been better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want anyone besides the Dodgers over the last five season.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're sure better than the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's so it's
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you guys just put, you know, everything you're saying is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, there's just so little hope right now with with what's going on, you know, that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say I said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Milwaukee stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough watching Kyle Harrison.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Quinn priesthood thing, like, it is one, the Quinn priesthood
[SPEAKER_02]: We were begging for for chances for them and then if you didn't get one and now he's gone and I agree I think he's going to be very good not looking how many starts you think they both had combined in Boston.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like on that on the socks are just like in the.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kyle here and quit and priest or how many starts that they have combined.
[SPEAKER_01]: One.
[SPEAKER_01]: One start, you say, one queen priestess, the priestess, yeah, priestess and one start five and he struck out a pair a lot of run for a couple of hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the chance you got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that's literally it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have other pictures that you've just
[SPEAKER_01]: You've just opened the door, like, please, sure, you've won a sign of 18 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give you a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it defies logic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got Quinn Priester when we traded, I think it was Nick York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick York was the piece that left when we got Priester.
[SPEAKER_01]: And York was highly regarded.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's really doing that much in Pittsburgh right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he's still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you lost York who was one of your highly touted prospects
[SPEAKER_01]: prester was supposed to be your placement.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gave one start, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harrison, you give nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't even give him a chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And already, it is only start this year, I believe you struck out eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's to stop him from striking out 10 or a dozen?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to challenge for the SI.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm this year, but man, the Red Sox have a history of trading players at at least one time, but it counts.
[SPEAKER_01]: They trade a way one that ended up
[SPEAKER_01]: and everyone keeps saying oh but you don't know what could happen with Chris sales like dude even if you get 50, 60% of Chris sale has still better than three quarters of your of your rotation or three fifths of your rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd still I'd still rather of Chris sale as your four or five guy than anybody else you're going to put out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I love brand bail, but right now I'd still take Chris sale over bail because I don't know what I'm going to get with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also a huge indictment on Craig Brezzo and Andrew Bailey in the agreement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically of pictures, which was but there's four tables supposed to be because you get rid of Brett, I'm sorry, you get rid of Chris sale for Von Grisson who you want to talk about never really getting a fair shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with the need that was on the table when he came to the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Hell again couldn't foresee him going out there and being a siren, you know, competitor, but to your point, 60 to 70 percent is still better than most, specifically with the red socks of hat in the last two seasons on your average start.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Quinn Freister and Kyle Harrison, like you're telling me between Reslow's supposed to be this pitching savant, smartsman and baseball, and then Andrew Bailey, who's got his own lab, where they're cooking meth more than pitchers at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes absolutely no sense and it's just absolutely a joke at this point to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's anything else that I can add to that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else, Dougie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this third one is coming to us from at Crato's angry guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is from Nomnesome Brothers, the name.
[SPEAKER_01]: They stink.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like both Breslo and Corea fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: This roster is constructed like those puzzles in tears of the kingdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Chris, for sharing with that was you need a magic fking prosthetic on your brain to make this roster make fking sense dot dot dot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say that we're live on the air, but we agree and we understand the sentiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so eternally frustrating.
[SPEAKER_01]: to see how they justified, adding the pieces they did, and even more so, even more so we talked about already, giving the pieces away that you got, because every single trade that the Boston Red Sox make, until one works, I will believe we will get fleeced.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, bent over and properly spanked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what's happening in every trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody who thinks, oh, yeah, like, oh, this is gonna be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just got this player, expect it to suck until it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't remember the last trade the red socks made where I was like, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of Gary Corshake, because I was pumped about that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But outside of that one, we have not made any other ones that have made a lot of sense or actually worked out for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was, everyone's been a little bit concerned about like the catcher situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll raise my hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see Connor Wong having two extra bass hits this early in the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have his first extra bass hit until like June or May.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to look it up the last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was so bad at hitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think Connor Wong had a home run last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really like Carlos Nerviahs that was hitting bombs.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if someone can fact check me if I'm wrong on it, I'd say a kind of full effort used to be a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a catcher that got converted So that's in theory like your third catcher, and I think I can't prove it But I bet that was one of the reasons why they got him
[SPEAKER_01]: because that was going to be your backup if something didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: God forbid something fell through.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them goes down and you need to have a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have somebody that doesn't have really a lot of pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still can't justify the six million spend and we were unwilling to give that money to
[SPEAKER_01]: Rob Ruff Snyder, who's done very well for us in a limited capacity and knows full well that he's not a full time starter, but a role player that did his job and did it well and we were unwilling to bring him back so I I just I don't know man, I mean yeah thank you Chris for explaining that that was a legend of Zelda game you're absolutely right this is one where
[SPEAKER_01]: The rules are, we don't know, you're given a game with no directions and you have to figure it, the bleep out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when someone tells you this is what you're supposed to do, it's actually not what you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's opposite day, a day late for April Fool's.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how sad this team is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and it was like, oh, people might say, oh, you guys hate the red socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are so negative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Find me something that went well outside the first game of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, because I can't come up with something that just isn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say, oh, well, they're starting to find pop in the eighth or ninth inning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when the game's already lost, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if you lose by one or ten of losses a loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, John Maddenism, if you lose more games, you're probably like a worse team.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to win more in order to do better.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one and five isn't cut in the cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not even 10 games into the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not throwing up the red flags yet, but I'm starting to get pretty peoed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Duggy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very frustrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his point about the lineup is, I think, the point, like we've talked about pitching staff most mostly so far, but the problem is the lineup, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And even as bad as the pitching,
[SPEAKER_02]: has been.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I still believe in our pitching staff more than I believe in our line up at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's just, you just get, it's just nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I like to see the pinch head home run from Roman.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's good to, it's good to see, I think it's good to see him, you know, that he can just kind of walk off the dugout and hit a home run.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think it's good for maybe his DH potential, since I can throw the ball further than he can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at this point, but it's, it's just a line-up not producing,
[SPEAKER_02]: and he's completely right it's I don't I don't think they're going to fire you know core right now or maybe even this during the season and I don't even know if I necessarily want them to fire core but if they fired him I wouldn't be mad about it I wouldn't be shocked it would just be a yeah you know you can't see that coming
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it might be exciting, you know, to see who they bring in, it might, it might not, you know, so I'm not a coronator, right, so I'm not calling for Cory's job, but it's, it's, he's on the hot seat, you know, for the hot takes episode, he's Cory's on the hot seat for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is, this is a hell of a hot take, what makes it a hot take is anyone that knows a legend is their big games.
[SPEAKER_00]: knows how ridiculously hard and complex the puzzles and rules are for a freakin' child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause that's face, it's a child game on Nintendo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that any professional general manager or vice president-based law operations whatever you wanna call them could construct or ostracers confusing as one of those puzzles, like hats off to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nearly game impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys hit the nail and they have a lot of your points.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how we got here, which scares me to your point, Doug, is that I look at this roster and I look at the town that it has, an outside of crochet and Roman entity.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I fire Kora, like who the hell wants this job?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you fire Brazil, who wants this job?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they still, I mean, pending, they don't get rid of like more of the farm in my numbing fashion where it doesn't make sense because they've done that all the last two seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's just like who's going to want it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like think about the Patriots, if they didn't have Drake may, would anybody, would might variable of one to go to New England Patriots?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have Drake may.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no Drake may on the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want Roman Anthony to be Drake may, but he's not Drake may.
[SPEAKER_00]: And crochet, the problem with a picture is when that's your best play around the team, they're in it one every five starts one every five games not enough of an impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very text been in the dugout for a long time now has there ever been any talk about him wanting to be a head manager or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's ever said he wanted to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I don't ever really remember hearing it, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been in the update for a long time, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to be manager of this team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you want to put your name to this right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think for someone like him where he hasn't had the opportunity to want it, maybe especially with the Lord the fact that he was a Boston Redstock.
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is do we want him?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like yes, I know he was the captain, great player, great career, heroic stuff as a player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at this like it's a business, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he has been here while it's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is he a part of the problem?
[SPEAKER_00]: That might not necessarily be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it begs the question as he part of the solution.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a fair question, because you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he has been here for a couple of years, working under a bunch of morons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my fears has he only known moronic things now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't have that experience as a manager at the major league level.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, listen, anything's probably better than we have right now, but I also don't want to just get rid of someone and end up giving it to a first-time manager, that's not proven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the problem is, we all know, there's going to come a day where you're going to have to fire Ver attack, and then it's like, what does that look like?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know, you know, no, you don't want to do that for so many reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to let Ver attack be a special advisor.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that Ver attack has done, not based ball related, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: when the late Tim Wakefield and his wife had both passed, like, Veritex stepped up and was like, we're gonna be, you got a bunch of uncles here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got 25 uncles that are gonna take care of you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're gonna make sure that you guys are all set to both of their kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a pretty honorable thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're married to your own kids and you're gonna also make sure that, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: one of your friends and longtime colleagues and ball player friends, you know, when he unfortunately passed way too soon, you're taking care of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he's done so much good for the team and people can say whatever about Veritech, but I won't say anything bad about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I truthfully, even if you want to be manager, I wouldn't, I don't know if I would be able to let him do it because I don't want to be there on the day that he has to get, you know, let go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as a manager, when you take that job,
[SPEAKER_01]: very few people have the opportunity to walk away on their terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: You accept that job knowing one day you will be fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's an awkward uncomfortable day and an awkward uncomfortable feeling, especially for a team that you spent your entire career with.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awkward uncomfortable and it would it would give me the same feeling
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe worse, I don't know, when Donna Silo did not come back to Boston, and that was not Don's Choosing, Don wanted to be here, and to this day, no one will ever know what happened by in close doors, Don's too much of a class act to share what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they gave him a gag order, but, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Terry for one would love to have Donna Silobaki.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would rather listen to the six-year-old broadcast than here what we currently have out there, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like so many things that, you know, it's not even just the team itself, even the announcers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people don't necessarily like them either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there isn't much to like right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to make changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you need to do if you have to hurt feelings, but there are certain people that it's you know that expression like we must protect this man That's that's very tech for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I Would let him take that I wouldn't let him take the the the the the man if you want to be special advisor continue being a special advisor for as long as you want to and You do have an X 15 20 years and you can be the assistant manager I don't ever want to hear very tech and fired in the same sentence ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't My be Johnny past shit
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Peski was hitting fungos when he was like in his 70s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Doug made a point before, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like at some point, we got to look at the players here because we could talk about managers, general managers, general managers, different story, but managers, coaches, hitting coach, pitch coaches.
[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, the players got to get it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a player out there that you think is like quasi potentially on the market,
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, what are you willing to give up now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think it's a very different story now looking at this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it's a very small sample size.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think all the things that we were concerned about that could potentially be a problem with this team have already been a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is we don't have the talent and the ceiling and a lineup perspective to get us out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've traded away all your prospects for attempt solutions.
[SPEAKER_01]: You decided to hire the, and I don't, there's a bad example.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've given away some of your top prospects in just fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gave away tips the third, tips three for a rental of dust in May, and then you've given away the password for a picture who you were hoping that was going to become a starter,
[SPEAKER_01]: really only opportunity in Boston.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are two of the big names.
[SPEAKER_01]: The big three already, Marcella Myers, their Kyle Teele has gone in his injured, so I don't know when he's gonna come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Anthony's here and yeah Anthony had a home run and whatnot, but there's going to be some growing pains with those rookies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am very curious to see who happens with the password tips.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tips is going to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a dodger at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's going to be this here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of players that are kind of on the depth chart in front of him, but tips in theory, I think could be a starter on a major league baseball team if it wasn't the Los Angeles Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really, really do because that team is so
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the only team in baseball I think that if they're really truly is a whole or an issue they will get it resolved within 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the Boston Red Sox, they're like, yeah, what we'll deal with that eventually, and you're three, there's another problem, and you know, you're trying to put a bandit on the Titanic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can keep trying if you want, but you're more on if you try it, and that's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: the Dodgers are truly unsinkable, and there are a couple of teams that are willing to do whatever they need to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nebraska is another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fillies are gonna plug whatever hole they need and they're gonna get the job done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Reds-Axious aren't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not, it's sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Chris, I don't really have a name for you of who we would go get, like who would be available, but it's just, if you're not, if you're finding a bat, it just has to be a power bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're not hitting, if you're not bringing a guy that's going to hit or that traditionally has hit 30 plus home runs, there's no point in bringing in anyone because that's it was just going to bring in more of the same for what we have and that's not going to get us anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd deal with that we need home runs, if you're not going to bring in home runs, the only other, you know unless you bring in a second eighth, I think those are the only two moves that.
[SPEAKER_02]: are worth making at this point because I'm I want to just bring in another 12 home run guy that's going to make errors in the field.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you're going to make a move right, you got to make a move for a 30 to 35 plus home run guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: or, you know, you can never complain about getting like a legit second A's or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm not saying they, I don't think they would ever do, but those are the only acceptable trades at this point I would think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got news for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, even if you added to reach school to this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We won't be in last place.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's about all I would guarantee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if I could tell you we'd be in second place in our division because I just don't have any confidence to score runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is that it's just too much to go out there and be like, hey, Garrett, to reach, give up like one or run one or less runs will be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's face it to Charlie's point earlier in the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: He only knew that Scott Wright was game one and that was really a one nothing game up until the night didn't like, yeah, we got that two run home run to make it three nothing, but like you pretty much ask air Christian majority of that start to be like hold a one run lead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a sad year, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know how people want to look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could do whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that our aspirations or our dreams of what we thought was going to happen or are going to pan out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sucks because I mean, it's not like we were given no money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terry's mentioned it, you guys have mentioned it in the past, like you guys had the money and you invested it so terribly and it made such bad decisions each decision that's been made has actually made the team worse not a little bit a lot of it and it's it's it's clear that you do not have even a top 25 guy in there that's smart enough to make the decisions and I'm not saying that any of us would be
[SPEAKER_01]: more qualified or better to do that because hindsight's 2020, you never know what you're going to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just set it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's the purpose of adding a guy that has position eligibility or can only hit five to ten home runs and none of which would have been a home run.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one at Fenway Park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did you add them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you really had no backup plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did we really lose out on Alex Breguin?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy and I were talking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did we really lose out on him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm okay that we didn't get him, but I wanted to have another option in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tuckerers and other left handed bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we're gonna get him, but get somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: You lost all your offense last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You traded, you lost Devers and Breguin in less than a season.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane production that you cannot just trade for and you're losing trades, which means you're going to pay up the, you know, what to get talent in here, because Boston is not a destination city.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just a statement of fact right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like no one's saying, oh, yeah, bring me to Boston because we're going to be, we're going to like absolutely make it rain.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be raining tears because we're going to be getting slapped around so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really not fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody, I don't think one team in baseball looks at the Boston Red Sox and says, damn, I wish you were facing anybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're any team in baseball right now, you're like, please give me four, give me four, give me a four game set, give me four, let's sweep, or let's get three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because all you have to do is drop three runs or four runs and you guys got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If an opposing team has dropped three runs before the fourth inning,
[SPEAKER_01]: it's current because you're only going to score another runner too and that's not to prevent to say that they won't score more runs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it sounds like we're just hating, but every decision that's been made has been awful and they've invested the money so poorly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not shocked that the team is doing as bad as they're doing right now and I'm disappointed in myself that I manipulated myself into thinking we're actually going to win over 80 games.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a very good chance that we don't win 80.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to be able to come out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a sub 80 season is very much in the future for us right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else you guys want to add?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Doug before before we end is there like any fun game that you could think of of the 1,000 games you've attended that we can just end on a positive note that you just want to bring like a source of light to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you want to bring yours concert that doesn't have a lot of experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the that pretty space console was the day before I started second grade.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Kara, okay, is that your favorite sporting event?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, it was at Fenway, I would count it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, a good game that I was at that doesn't get talked about a lot was that, oh, through the O2 or O3 playoff series with the A's when Trot Nixon hit the walk off to dead center.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you were there of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably didn't get the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we we had to end it on a positive note because this is this is a a a sorrow show.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is going to do it for the bastards.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is going to do it for the bastards of Boston baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone have a great one take care.