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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the table top miniature movie podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bedroom battlefields community is a wellspring of creativity, and on this episode I'm delighted to be joined by Sean, who runs the timeless tabletop gaming YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of his recent videos sent around building and painting his dream warhammer fantasy for the edition on Dead Army, Sean clearly pulls a lot into both his hobby projects and the presentation of document none, and I'm pleased to see that they seem to be getting the attention they deserve.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start the year then with Sean's background as a YouTuber.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not even my first channel I don't think either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a couple on the go that's sort of on and off really as that one was off for about nine years.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I sort of recently revived it last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, now I've always kind of enjoyed posting content.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always been a passionate person somebody really enjoys things to, you know, and probably an unhealthy extent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to kind of share that passion in whichever way I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Weirdly, I find YouTube and things like this slightly more uncomfortable than what I like to do, which is just right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My favourite thing to do is to write about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you say you're mainly an audio kind of guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I'm mainly a kind of naturally, I would say I'm a blogger, or an artist, somebody who writes articles.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always what my dream job really is to be a journalist or some kind or to, you know, my dream job would be it involves time travel so it's not really realistic but I'd love to go work on a magazine back in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: whether that's like, you know, I have a sort of few passions like Wargaming is one of the more tabletop games, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other one is like, I really enjoy video games and vintage video games, especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was just like, as a kid, it was, you know, I used to love buying magazines and reading magazines.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just kind of picked up the, I guess the kind of vernacular of those kind of, that kind of 90s magazine style of writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what I kind of try and do in my YouTube videos and, you know, whatever kind of current projects, I'm sort of what content creation I'm doing, I kind of try and bring back I guess this style of those old magazine articles are like so much as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I totally get that, like I'm by going right in myself, and before we go on there, I literally just published the newsletter, the many game on newsletter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I've been enjoying that, and I've taken quite a...
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm magazine a approach to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just basically picking out like five or six things that have of no or generous, like new releases from companies that are really like what doing that almost them, not trying to emulate that, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know that the new releases pages and a magazine especially with that kind of name is just on my boat back then where the magazine wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was something, it's kind of like a conversational sort of style, so it's not too formal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very slightly chatty and it's quite a light of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading a white dwarf the other day and there was this article about this guy and his favourite word was
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like an exclamation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I've worded, I completely forgotten about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is sort of word that would only appear in like 90s, magazines, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's sort of a slightly enthusiasm as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that kind of unashamed enthusiasm for something and being excited about something or yeah, just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think like later on, the kind of tone became a little bit cynical, like in magazines, where they would kind of, it was almost a little bit sneery that this was true in like the video game world definitely, where almost became like a you was supposed to be sort of embarrassed about enjoying the thing that you enjoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I kind of liked that kind of unbridled enthusiasm, where you're just excited about like, you know, being passionate about your kind of interests,
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's sort of yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I say, that's what I kind of try and just get across in my video content, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really, I came into videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started with a blog.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my sort of first, but I can't remember them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've dubbed out like several blogs over the years, but I originally did a blog when I tried to get back into Warhammer 40K.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I started this was around the time of like fifth edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think fifth edition 40K.
[SPEAKER_01]: I met some guys, local to me, who were playing quite regularly and they seemed sort of have a similar ethos to me about prioritising fun over like competitive lists or, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I ended up starting to collect dark elder at the time and they were really unusual army to collect at that time because they hadn't had a new codex since 3rd edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there were a couple of generations behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: So no one was really playing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I decided because they were kind of cheap to pick up on eBay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I decided to start a dark elder army.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was encouraged by one of the guys I was playing with to start a block.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he had a block called Space Wolves Grey.
[SPEAKER_01]: seems to be in a space with army and he used to be able to basically like fund his hobby by having these blogs and then you'd have like an affiliate link, same with like wailing games or something, you'd put a banner in and it was just a good way of like getting a bit of hobby pocket money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I decided to set up a, yeah, Dark Elder block is still online, but I don't know if it's not doing it if it hasn't been updated in about 15 years, but yeah, some of my early articles, I guess, and I would just do things like
[SPEAKER_01]: I would do like weird little like tactics sort of posts again just trying to like I guess do a little like white dwarf articles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just kind of talk about you know thematic kind of army so I would I would remember trying to do one where I was like can you make a a kind of what's the closest you can get to like an all jet bike army in dark elder like you could in an elder army.
[SPEAKER_01]: or I was just ranking my sort of favourite sculpts in the army or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so that was a lot of fun and then I ended up setting up a YouTube channel for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was just very sort of basic stuff where I would just film battle reports.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they weren't edited or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just literally me setting up my digital camera and letting it record for two hours straight or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just posting that, or maybe I think I'm maybe I would, oh, yeah, I remember actually, I just would just speed them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I put them into my editing thing, I would just do like six times speed or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they weren't actually two hours long.
[SPEAKER_01]: all the audio so you can hear us speaking like chipmunks as we're going through the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know it was all just pretty basic stuff and the the channel that I'm doing now time is tabletop gaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I set that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because I was doing a sort of on I was a bit of a middle-earth binge and so like the earliest videos on the current channel
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was called War Game of TV back then when I first set it up and I just again I just recorded me and my wife playing through the scenarios of the Hobbit strategy battle game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I painted up the starter set for that and then I wrote my wife in to be able to play a few games with me and I just recorded those and put them online.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there I started to try and do vloggy type things where I would just sit and paint and just chat about things I was enthusiastic about, but that's the sort of stuff that it does not come naturally to me at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like to script things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to kind of sit down and write out a script and read off a script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do find it difficult to just talk off the cuff on camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've, my, where I kind of learned to how to do the kind of videos I'm making now was actually,
[SPEAKER_01]: another channel I've got which is a video game retro video game channel which is called timeless gaming UK which is where the current name of timeless tabletop gaming came from and in that I was actually doing proper editing I was writing scripts and I was trying to like put in gags and little like timing based things and it just where I kind of honed my skills I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: so that when I came back to revive the war game at TV and turn it into a time to save up gaming, I had a lot more skills under my belt in order to make videos that I think are a lot more engaging, but I hope they are anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been surprising how successful it's been since I've come back because it has been much more than I would have expected, I'm getting much more views than I ever thought I would.
[SPEAKER_01]: I posted the first video that came back to where I about my Battlefield 5 armies projects.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was amazed at how many people watched it and, you know, from there it's just sort of gone from strength to strength for it, which is just mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're late.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's federal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, which was a super video obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had tens of thousands of views.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, um, your recent project, wasn't it, but with your water hammer army.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, um, the call of the crown challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I got, it's sort of mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's up to about like 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: 35,000 views or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's sort of intimidating in a way, because I'm literally just fostering to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was writing the scripts for the second part, because that was basically covered the first half of my call of the crown challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then now, obviously, the challenge is just finished.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm working on the next video to sort of wrap that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is intimidating because I'm sort of, we've got in the back of your mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a huge amount of people watched that and could potentially watch this next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a weird thing to sort of have that pressure, but it's a nice pressure as well as both.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the first one problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I'll have links to your channel and that video in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for any listeners who've not seen the video yet, just give us a wee kind of on-true of what you were talking about, what you were showing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the call of the crown is a painting challenge that's kind of themed around creating a fourth or fifth edition era Warhammer fantasy battle army.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was born out of the crown of command YouTube slash discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: community.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's just a really fantastic way of giving yourself accountability and to feel a sort of community spirit as you're going for a painting challenge because painting a warhammer army is a massively daunting challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really tricky thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something I think when you're a kids, I don't know about you, but I never got close really to having a fully painted warhammer army.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was always like a really aspirational thing in the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just almost seems like an unreachable goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you realise when you're an adult and you actually go through the process of trying to make a nicely painted warhammer army.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much time.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much time you have to invest to get to that end result.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so having a painting challenge where it breaks down your project into just a little monthly bite size pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are sort of suggested themes for each month that David, the guy who runs the challenge has sort of created at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, say, like, for instance, month one was to paint a general and two core units of troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, so one core unit of troops, and then there was a bonus challenge to paint a second core unit of troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can kind of, you don't have to follow that either, but these are just like suggested themes.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it just allowed me to, kind of, it took the decision making away from me, which I really liked, where I could just go, oh, I know what fits that theme.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'd actually been hoarding this stuff for a really long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd had everything but maybe like a handful of models, everything that I've painted up in this challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've now at the end of it, I've got like a 3,000 point undead army.
[SPEAKER_01]: for a fourth edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I already had, it was all just stuff I had sat in drawers and it was all just rainy days or projects where I thought, oh, you know, one day I'll get around to doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, without this challenge, I probably never would have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's been just a really good excuse to kind of fulfill, I described it in the video as like fulfilling a hobby dream, which it really was, because as I say, it's like back in the 90s, you know, this stuff was when you're a kid, it's so much time and money and the attention span for it back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, nor the skills, I mean, I'm currently writing about building a man's school, which is quite appropriate for your, you're a discord community, and I know you're a big fan of man's course on the bedroom battle for Battlefield Discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was building a manticore and just like sticking that thing together, it's like a complete pain in the arse because it's made of all these like really heavy metal pieces that don't fit together very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you do stick it together, it's got these huge gaps that you need to fill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to have like millipart and you need to have little tools to be able to kind of like press it into all the little gaps and like rescop the detail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I was no way it was I doing that when I was 12.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you talk a wee bit about, you know, yet younger days there in the hobby, so tell us about getting in the hobby and actually like, what sort of year are we talking and what should kind of first touch point with it all?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so like a lot of people is going to be here request.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been early nineties, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: So probably a few years after here requested, already been out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't actually my copy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I, I sort of, all this stuff is pretty hazy, but I don't think I actually owned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just my best friend at the time, my best sort of friend through school.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a guy called Chris.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a copy at his house.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's only in retrospect I've been thinking that actually it was probably his mum's.
[SPEAKER_01]: because his mum was like, um, into sort of fantasy literature.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I remember in their house they had a bookcase and it was full of all like Anne McAfrey books and things and it used to be like we used to be joined at the hip basically so it used to be around his house all the time and it was just like a bit of a magical place for me to go because he had all these like like I say this kind of bookshelf full of all these kind of fantastic art, uh, fancy art, uh, covered books.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, these fantasy-themed board games, like I think there was one called Key to the Kingdom and some other ones, but yeah, one of them was here request.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his mum had painted up the figures in it in like a humble enamel, so they're like these really glossy looking miniatures, but they looked just like fantastic to me, and they just completely just sparked my imagination
[SPEAKER_01]: fantasy in general really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we would go out in his garden and make bows and arrows made out of like bamboo and washing line and pretend to shoot goblins, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think from there, I mean, I guess it was just a natural transition to, um, it's a getting into games or workshop stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: buying into buying Warhammer models and things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think my primary school seemed to just be quite a good place to sort of foster a love of fantasy, because when we used to do story time, I don't know if you had this at your primary school, but where the teacher would sit down and read all the kids a story, you'd be sitting there cross-legged on the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the stories we read, we all had read to us, were the Hobbit and a few of the redwall
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I don't know if it was a teacher who particularly liked fantasy, but I just remember yeah, so there was all this kind of influence coming from everywhere really where it was just like a love of fantasy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just sort of stayed with me to this day, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we went through all of the 90s kind of enabeling each other, me and Chris is with all kinds of games workshop stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just yeah, it was just such an exciting time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was thinking the other day, if you think back to 95,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane, the amount of like amazing stuff that was released just in that year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think you had basically like the entire specialist games range released in that one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you had second edition space Hulk.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Warhammer Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Blood Bowl 3rd Edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Necromander.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like there was just always so much exciting stuff coming out, not to mention obviously all the stuff that was coming out for Warhammer Fantasy Battle and Forty K. So there was just always so much to be sort of excited about and to read up on and to hang out in the local games workshop or wherever and, you know, produce through the blister packs that you couldn't afford.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was just an amazing time really and I think that's, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: just something that's just stayed with me and I just try and I guess tap into that tap into those happy times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now as an adult, as a kind of midlife crisis adult.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have a game short short shot?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nidia?
[SPEAKER_00]: Growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not so in our local town.
[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in the town called
[SPEAKER_01]: in Hartfordshire, and that didn't have a games workshop, but it had a toy shop called Toy's Toys Toys Toys, which had like a games workshop section.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was always a funny toy shop to walk around because the owners were like really paranoid that everyone was on the on the rob so they would like follow you around the shop wherever you went just like pretending to to kind of stack aisles or whatever stack shelves and they'd be just standing next to you the whole time wherever you went.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it had a decent selection of kind of games workshop stuff so I think that's where my first
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of exposure to it all would have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: My nearest games workshop would have been games workshop, St. Albans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I used to go there every now and then.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I used to visit my grandparents, it was, I think it was games workshop in Peterborough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, I used to just ask to be drop-off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my nan would often like to take me into town.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said, you know, when I was up, stay with my grandparents, my nan would take me into town.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd be like, yeah, you can just drop me off here, then you can go off and shop for a couple of hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be fine here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, much probably the game sort of the staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it was just like there was such an amazing place to hang out because you had all the tables and things were all set up ready to game and it was great when you could convince one of the staff members to give you a demo game of something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, once they'd seen your face, you know, five, six, seven, eight times, they've become lesser.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's use it as to think about showing you the demo game.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know they showed you a month earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it was just always just like a bit for a magical place to hang out really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I got a bit older being able to go along to some of the sort of evening sessions and things and the big event games, yeah, just a magical time, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you go through a period away from the hobby?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I came to X-Hail as we call it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's been a couple, but it's never for very long.
[SPEAKER_01]: was around about secondary school and I think we just
[SPEAKER_01]: got to the age when we realised it was very, very uncool to be playing Warhammer or painting miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'd start to drift away from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember me and my mates hanging around in town.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were almost like, almost like where you break up with someone and you want to
[SPEAKER_01]: convince yourself that you never really liked them all along, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I remember, I think we were like sort of like taking the piss out of Warhammer in a sort of like, oh, can you remember, can you believe we used to do this sort of stuff with all these like goblins and elves or whatever?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were in St. Albans, and we were like, oh, let's go and never look at, you know, the game's workshop and the nerds inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this would have been around the time, I think this was around 99 or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was a teenager at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we walked around to the game's workshop, and I kid you not about an hour later, we were all walking out with an army book and a box of like the new plastic regiments and starting armies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it lasted, you know, it's just like instantly as soon as we just saw it go with like, oh yeah, you know, this is actually quite cool, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, if you click those, I could, I could maybe click those and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, just like straight back in it, but that was a quite a short-lived return to the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that was probably actually, because I'm doing undead for my call of the crown challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, this returns to the hobby I'd, this was when vampire counts had sort of come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the new sort of skeleton regiments had come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'd started a vampire council army.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend Chris has started a tune, King's Art Me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had a couple of other friends who were doing other things as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember it was at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of awkward time you're sort of meeting girls and things and trying to be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'd painted up those vampire counts models.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I had a couple of units of skeletons and a character and maybe I think I had the black coach as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, they were sat on a shelf and a girl who'd for some inexplicable reason are taking a liking to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: had asked if she could, you know, if we could meet up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, yeah, no worries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just thought it would never actually happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't actually think it would happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, she texted me to say she was on the bus coming to my where I lived.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I panicked because I was like looking around my room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, oh, I've got to bring her back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like looking at my big shelf of warhammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did that thing where, you know, like to annoy a sibling or something, you would outstretch your arm and clear a shelf.
[SPEAKER_01]: by just sort of swiping the contents of it onto the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, this shelf was like above my bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just, all the minutes as I'd like stuck together and painted, I did the arm swipe on the shelf thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just they all just like tumble down to the back of my bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I just panic with what a girl can't see this.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was the end of that little trip back into Warhammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that was like a proper break then for probably a few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my journey back into it actually kind of just came about much as it started.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of just went on the same journey again because I got nostalgic about it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I had a kind of more regular girlfriend at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: who, you know, you can maybe start opening up your your darker secrets to like the fact that you you're interested in goblins and elves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of started to get wistful and nostalgia about Hero Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was when eBay was sort of first around and I decided to go on eBay and and rebuy a copy of Hero Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: which I think I picked up for about 20 quid back then and it was local to me as I went and went and picked it up in person and then we started playing here a quest and playing through all the missions and stuff and then from there I was like, oh, do you know what was really good as well?
[SPEAKER_01]: Warhammer Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so then I'm convinced to my other friends to chip in to buy a copy of here request because back then we paid £60 for a complete copy of here request in really good condition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now it's worth like an absolute fortune and we paid yeah 20 pound each for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I'm so happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did that because that is one of my all-time all-time games is Warhammer Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably my favorite games workshop game and something I'm hoping to sort of cover in the near future on on my channel actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you played egg?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're only these days?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all sadly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I've absolutely, um, ran the world dry in terms of my wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: she refuses to sort of play anything like that with me now and she was kind of my last my last sort of hope with that sort of thing really because I don't really go to any clubs or anything and I should get myself more out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously I am now
[SPEAKER_01]: now that I'm sort of throwing myself back into the hobby, but yeah, for the longest time, it really has just been me just enjoying painting and collecting and that side of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, with my wife, I, well, I could say we play through all of the hobby strategy bouts and iris and she sort of humored me throughout that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've got
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very distinctly remember her saying to me, she said, just so you know, I'm never going to play this with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought about that point like, I just got the hint.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ah, I'm going to have to go find some real friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think at then March, your hobby just now is, is the painting then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically it's, um, it is the painting collecting.
[SPEAKER_01]: and content creation I suppose that's partly why I did it as partly why I put myself out there is because I just don't know anyone in real life who's into this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, sadly, like most other people have grown up and I just, I haven't, so I'm sort of hoping to find my group of fellow 40 year old man children.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has been good in recent years, like communities like yours and like Josh's have just been like amazing for doing just that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so last year, I popped my head into a boil, bring out your lead, and played in Jason's big participation game on the Saturday, I think it wasn't possibly the Sunday, I think it was a Sunday maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, I met a few people like Calum and Jason himself, obviously, and I'm David, you've flown over from America.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just been really nice to sort of find people to sort of know that there are people out there who do enjoy like vintage games workshop games, because that is where my passion lies really first and foremost.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have had a few sort of failed attempts to try and get into local clubs and things, but it's always just kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say ended in disaster, but just hasn't really scratched the edge that I was looking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had a few bad experiences of trying to get into a game and just finding the people who play it on in it for the same reasons as me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so early on, I remember when X-wing came out, you know, the X-wing miniatures game, it's like pre-pasted figures, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was really excited about that because, you know, I was sort of fan of the original style was trilogy and, um, me and a friend, I managed to sort of convince a friend to sort of play that and we were kind of enjoying playing just with the starter set.
[SPEAKER_01]: quite a bit because it's quite a fun game just to play with the start set and then we start to build out, you know, just pick up like odd little ships and we would just, you know, buying stuff that we thought looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just like, oh, I want an A wing or whatever, I'm just going to get the Millennium Falcon or whatever it might be, you're just adding little, kind of, odd to the sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the place we were buying them from,
[SPEAKER_01]: is a local sort of friendly local gaming store type thing and when we're picking up some bits one day he said oh we're going to be doing a tournament of this soon if you want to come down for that and we thought oh yeah that sounds like could be a laugh so we came down for this tournament with just like whatever bits we had
[SPEAKER_01]: And my first game, it was like I was playing at someone who had a different rules it, because he'd optimized everything about his kind of list, so much that it was just, he was just, he was kind of generate resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: just at a such a greater rate than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just basically constantly having re-rolls or constantly having just like these extra benefits that I just didn't understand how to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it felt like we were playing it almost like a different game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if we were playing chess he had doubled the number of pieces or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was just a pretty miserable experience because I was like, well I can't even get into this game because it just feels like I've lost
[SPEAKER_01]: at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: I lost that home by not doing my kind of research on trying to find the best combination of cards and characters and whatever else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it kind of culminated the last game I played was someone who it was a younger guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was like the worst cheat I've ever seen in my life where he would there's like a mechanic in the game where you have these little tokens where you kind of pick your movement in secret and then it kind of determines which way your ship's going to fly and it's quite it's a really fun mechanic because you have to kind of guess what your opponent's going to do if you're like behind him is he going to turn left is he going to turn right is he going to you know slam all the brakes or whatever or you
[SPEAKER_01]: but you would reveal your kind of movement token.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he would, like, as his turn is up, he's spinning it round.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's doing it, like, really blatantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just, like, there was little things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd been nudging things all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be kind of rolling things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then picking up the dice like before, you had a chance to even see what you rolled.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it doesn't, it's not like it bothered me, but it's just, it kind of just ruins again to just think, well, what's the point you may be in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind losing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm not a competitive person at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't like bother me losing, but I want it to be like a fun spectacle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to get into a game called Warhammer
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what again, it's a really fun game and I was really enjoying when I painted up the first version of that, which was shades fire and I painted up the two war bands for that and I was in St. Auburn's picking up a paint from the the game's workshop and again the guy, the staff member there said, all what you know what's this for and I explained I said, I'm you don't paint it up this shades, but I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, Oh, well, we're going to be putting on an evening for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have like this little tournament thing, and I was like, Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the same thing happened again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically where I turned up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, no, so literally the only other person who turned up with one other person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a younger guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was just a term.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, well, no one else has turned up to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can just play in just whoever wins kind of wins the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, we do like best of three.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first game, this, the younger guy, he was like much more experienced, he played like a lot of games and he sort of really knew what he was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said to him, like, oh, you know, all I've done is I've played like a test game against my wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really, you know, I sort of know the rules, but I don't really know how to play well or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I'll give it a go.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the first game, he absolutely trounced me, but in that game I felt like I learnt quite a lot and so the second round I actually managed to squeak out a close win and so it actually came down to the final game and I sort of
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we kind of played out this this this third game and, you know, through luck or whatever, I ended up being, you know, fairly comfortably in the lead and there was an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: where because it is a sort of a victory point sort of game where you have the card step to you which kind of give you little victory conditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it might be hold an objective or it might be take out, you know, this character or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the cards is a kill your enemies later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I spotted an opportunity to do that where his enemy leader was pinned against the wall and I realized that if I
[SPEAKER_01]: over to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I rolled perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had just had enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was possible for me to kill his leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that's game over at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by sheer luck, I managed to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I'm miles ahead here on points.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you're good like six or seven up, but I hadn't bothered to count.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, he just started to just sort of pick up
[SPEAKER_01]: because the victory points are literally counted in little tokens, like they're actual physical little tokens.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not something you calculate at the end of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just started to just sort of casually go up and just pick up a couple as if he'd sort of like forgot on something.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you might do if you go, oh I forgot to move my guy or I forgot to do my thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he would just go, oh I forgot to go when?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He forgot to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so by the end of it and I thought, but I saw only so him do like a few and I thought, well, I'm pretty sure you're like, more than that behind or thought, that's a bit weird, but I'm not going to call you up in it because again, I'm not a combative person and I'm not a competitive person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but anyway, when it came to the end of the game, he'd won by one victory point, and I was just like, it was just another kind of example, I was just like, ah, this is just so not fun, because it's just, it's just, it's not like they're not winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that the person I'm playing isn't trying to let me have a good time, don't I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I feel like that's a really important part of the hobby for me is the kind of mutual benefit of it that we're both trying to like provide each other with fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're trying to like for me it's about setting the models down and seeing a spectacle happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want something cool to happen whether or not it happens for my guys or for your guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care as long as something interesting or exciting or spectacular happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, that's what Wargooming is supposed to be about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you both need to be on the same page.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, maybe guys like that, if they find Kendridge spirits, I don't know, maybe that would be fun for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like both cheating against each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look around the name sitting like Smog the Dragon on his pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Factor it exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a little cool little trophy on offer, so maybe just maybe wouldn't normally be like that, but he really wanted that trophy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really wanted the little glass trophy, which I've seen them pop up on eBay since.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't tend to sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was an interesting experience, but that's sort of been something that I don't know if I've just been unlucky, but just wherever I've tried to sort of get into a game, I've just felt like people didn't find the same joy in it that I do that they wanted something different out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember, I tried to go to a warhammer fantasy battle club around the time of seventh edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I started collecting my undead stuff for the call of the crown.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of, I think, where I started picking up bits.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I just remember everyone constantly talking about preparing for a tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were there.
[SPEAKER_01]: playing games that were preparation for a tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, well, why not just play a game for the sake of playing the game?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to be a fun note.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's what the point of it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just think being good at Warhammer isn't like an impressive thing, do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe each of their own, I don't want to like piss on anyone's sort of bonfire, because if that's your thing that you're really into, then that's fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me it's like being really good at playing the spoons or something, you know, it's like no one else is going to be impressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I sort of just think you might as well just have fun with it and make it a fun thing, not a competitive thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is just my nature, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I say, each so they're own really, what you're working on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, I'm working on the video right now because that is the tricky balance when you're sort of doing content creation stuff as I'm sure you find, which is that you don't have time to do both at the same time often.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to kind of prioritize one and then prioritize the other
[SPEAKER_01]: focusing on hobby and then I focus on making a video about what I've just been doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so for the next week I'm definitely going to be just focusing on trying to get a video about.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is going to cover the kind of completion of my call of the crown stuff and then after that I'm not really sure because I feel bad that I'd abandoned my a couple of projects but the battle of five army stuff because when I came back to YouTube that is the first stuff I started posting about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually that was, I came back because I felt guilty about having unfulfilled promises on that way back when.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my last video that I made before I came back was an unboxing of the Batler 5 Army set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found that set in a, it's like a dream scenario, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you kind of, I don't think if you ever get this sort of fantasy where you, you find like an old hobby shop and somewhere at the back of the old hobby shop is dusty copies of old games.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like you're maybe they've got like a rack of Warhammer blisters or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that actually happened for me and I found an old copy of Blood Bowl and this battle of five armies box.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'd made this video about sort of unboxing it and in the video I'm saying oh yeah and I'm, you know, stick with me and I'm gonna be painting this up and, you know, doing whatever and it turned out for some reason that video ended up getting like, I kind of know, I think it was like 24,000 views or something but in my absence.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would stop doing anything on the channel because I think at that point my daughter would just been born
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, my priorities were elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I was having a bit of a break from the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, when I came back to, I couldn't believe my eyes that, like so many people had watched this video.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've suddenly felt really guilty that I'd sort of told 24,000 people that I was going to be painting up this box set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my first video back was basically saying, yes, sorry, it's a bit late.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been like nearly a decade, but if you're still interested, I've started painting up this Battle of Five Armies box.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so I mean, that's gonna be like an ongoing project, really, because I've finished painting it up the box set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, I think on most of the way through a second box set,
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've since picked up whole another set off of eBay and mostly painted that up, plus some extra bits.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got kind of grand ambitions for that project.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to collect and paint all of the extra stuff that was released for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't explained what this is ever, but it's basically like a 10 millimeter warm-aster sort of offshoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: but for middle-earth that was released by Games Workshop back in 2005, I think and it was at release during the time where I was away from the hobby so I had no idea it existed and it just was only when I found it in this games shop that I kind of researched it and thought, wow this sounds like right up my alley and yeah it's just been like a bit of a passion project for me
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd really like to have, yeah, huge armies on either side, like big, because the great thing about 10 millimeter scale is that it makes for like a fantastic spectacle with all the miniatures, so you've literally got
[SPEAKER_01]: hundreds and hundreds of individual guys on a table when you play a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes for a really a good looking war game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so I want to sort of continue that project, but while the call of the crown was on, I've just had to completely shelf it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think before that, I'd had sort of several
[SPEAKER_01]: things come up that meant I couldn't work on it so it's been a really long time since I last worked on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel sort of duty bound to do an update to that soon so that might be one of those things that's coming in the near future.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got lots of like plans for future videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to cover all of the specialist games.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had, like, I've clung onto all these sort of old games and they've just been sat in my cupboard waiting for just some attention really.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm going to be doing all sorts of like restoration projects and retrospectives and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: On some of the stuff I've already got in my collection.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a great chat, Sean I've really enjoyed your number, your experiences and putting your content together as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where did you want to send the listener so they could check it out for themselves?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so the YouTube channel is a timeless tabletop gaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, feel free to head on over there if if you're interested in that kind of thing But I'm also on the bedroom battlefields discord under the same name and also the call of the crown's discord So feel free to contact me on there
[SPEAKER_00]: massive thanks to Sean there for a brilliant chat and a will of course have a link to our youtube channel in the episode shown us and just before we wrap up I've got a very small but important favour task and all many of you are listening to this right now where you're painting or driving the car or washing the dishes or walking the dog
[SPEAKER_00]: and I'd really like to get some hard data on this on the listening habits of everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've set up a very quick two question micro survey that you can find at bedroombattlefield.com forward slash fast, that's FAST and it honestly is just a matter of taking a couple of boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't take you any longer than 10 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you enjoy the podcast each week, this is just a very quick and free way that you can give me a little tip of the hat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that link again is BedroomBattlefields.com for slash fast, FATST, and I really do appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, thanks as always for listening and we'll check again on the next one.