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[SPEAKER_02]: May rise a culture for Grace and Truths.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a community, and I'm Christina.
[SPEAKER_02]: This table is built by Black Woman and For Black Woman,
[SPEAKER_02]: So welcome to the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: See how you're doing, girl?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going decently today, decently.
[SPEAKER_00]: decently with a pebbled my step and a gleaming my eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what does that vowel look?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's velvet, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that vowel look to?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you don't know what season it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, you don't bring it out of velvet, drink it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like a velvet, emerald green, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cobalt tissue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really kind of lives between an emerald green and a blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's like, yeah, I wore it to a wedding a few years back, which was a winter wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like snow on the ground and it, you know, I wouldn't have a winter wedding person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Winter wedding is a special, but they are, but they are beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so anyway, thanks, thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look lovely in your black and white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is fancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do value clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We value style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to a whole, a whole workshop recently on the difference between fashion and style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was quite a, it was quite a.
[SPEAKER_00]: You learned a whole lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I learned a ton.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, really different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We might need to bring somebody on the talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but what's on the table?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was I was about to say boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have so many clothing items that I think you understand this too And then there are times when we have to like make a decision like stuff has to depart Every hand can't go with us to the next place and what is on the table today in the context of our series?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the Underground Railroad 2.0.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, because we still go on somewhere We're going to have a conversation about what cannot go with us
[SPEAKER_00]: on the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what can not go with us on the underground road?
[SPEAKER_00]: What can not fit in the NAFSEC?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we need to give up in this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What can I come?
[SPEAKER_00]: What ways can not come?
[SPEAKER_00]: What people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, you know, Harriet did leave people behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so we're going to have a conversation about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you up for today?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
[SPEAKER_00]: let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, what can't go with us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, why do we have to make these decisions to begin with?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it that when we are going on a journey when we're in a time that's so difficult, I'm curious to hear what you would have to say about this when we're in a time that is so difficult, when we feel like there's so much loss happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: to begin with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have to even have a conversation about what can go for it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's in a time of so much loss and people and instability is counterintuitive to continue to shed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's countering.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: journey with us into something that's really counterintuitive, that's going to stretch us and push us, but I do think it's, I think it ties into what we were talking about in our introductory episode, just the agility, that's necessary.
[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot move, stick and move, and do what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And move with the times when you are a bad lady, physically and emotionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot, you get mentally stuck, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if things have got to be the way that you have envisioned in your mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know how that, hello, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I understand when, when things plans get foiled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plot twist, like, okay, yeah, I'm talking about the plot twist.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get some blessings that are blessed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blessings that are blessings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: My goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very obvious and clear blessing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be not give the Lord advice, carry it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know best, but it's just important to be able to be open handed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think about that with regard to letting go and shedding some things, being able to just freely let go of what we don't need.
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't serve us any more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my service somebody else, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do give a way of my clothings on my clothes and on my things, you know, because I have a small closet Live on the East Coast I have to do you know change out my closet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't have a big old closet contrary to popular really Now I do have a lot of clothes It's so but every year twice a year twice a year
[SPEAKER_02]: I have got to go through all of my clothes and see what fits, what doesn't fit, what's old season, what's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just give it away to whoever my or just don't eat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think about that as far as going on this trajectory of going on, this underground, this metaphor, this underground row 2.0.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thinking about the fact that we have got to
[SPEAKER_02]: take stock and do an audit, a mental audit, a spiritual audit, a material audit of what we have that cannot go with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it, and we'll talk about these things more concrete, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it pettingness?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to me, is it grudge hole?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, we got to let go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That can't be though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it unforgiveness?
[SPEAKER_02]: That is always unforgiveness.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got, I made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's always unforgiveness.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of offenses.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of offense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, that that comes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it all friendships that have run its course?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have a hard time, you know, parting ways and saying goodbye.
[SPEAKER_02]: relationships, you know, those types of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: What literal physical things do we have to let go?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is God calling us to go somewhere else, all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, can we, can we be open to what God might be inviting us into the adventure?
[SPEAKER_02]: That God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Life's definitely feel like an event.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that God is trying to invite us into.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is hard to do that when you have clothes, fists, and you're, um, and you're holding so tightly to your plan to your will.
[SPEAKER_02]: instead of God's and so anyway I think it's important for us to figure out what are we going to what are we going to leave behind in order to do and move into what God is calling us to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think we're going into uncharted territory that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we are in it and we are going into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we need as much freedom and agility as we can possibly muster up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to require us to let go of some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where to air kebab do a bag lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be in a bag lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's virtual bag.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go virtual bags.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dragon on in bags like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't what we need to think about leaving what can't go with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think of, why does that matter?
[SPEAKER_02]: And what do you think of, what are the categories, maybe that you think of?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think what you said is spot on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I, the metaphor that we are choosing to work with the season, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Underground Railroad Inspire by Black Moses, Harriet Tubman.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if we think about pieces of that story, pieces of that narrative, you're traveling in and through
[SPEAKER_00]: where the priority has to be keeping yourself in those with you as as the top priority.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And stuff and the collection of stuff and the value that we place on property over people, that's just not sustainable.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the way we ought to live anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But especially when you think about the metaphor of traveling through night and and traveling through bodies of water and you think about having to run at times and hearing hearing dogs and hounds on your heels and running and waiting for water and needing needing to hold someone or lift someone or carry someone and we have to have a free enough hands to your point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to be ready to serve, to be ready to serve and these conditions, and also to be defined by we are people of freedom and not be defined by we are people of stuff or fear or for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I think that there's a connection between our stuff and our fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: for sure because our stuff helps to medicate our fear and so with that being said I think I think we have to take stock, we have to take inventory like you talked about like kind of cleaning out your closet it's the same thing with my closet or my or my pant or the pantry right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a habit of going to the grocery store and buying the same items over and over.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's simply because I did not take an audit of the cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't open up the cabinets in relation to expensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that's got to come because we got to eat because we've got to come with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but I didn't take stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think sometimes we don't take stock because it takes time, takes self-awareness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes, it takes,
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes putting a mirror up to yourself and recognize if you are a hoarder or if you got a problem or if you have an issue, we don't do introspection well because of sometimes we don't want, we don't want to find what we can find there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in order to figure out what can't go, you got to do introspection.
[SPEAKER_02]: you got to yeah yeah as you were talking I was thinking I was like man like I was thinking about what not only what can't go whoa whoa whoa whoa so go with that's meaning like
[SPEAKER_02]: just that the importance of community, you know, like after a while, you know, you could all like, you could only, you could only, you could only accumulate, so yeah, okay, it's all so stuff like, yeah, and in the end, it doesn't matter when your life is flash a bond before your eyes, you think of that stuff that you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you didn't have a whole lot of clothes, but where do you wear your clothes, and who do you wear them with, and where are you going to get, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the things that we collect, you know, the meaning can be so fleeting if it's not in connection to a experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one thing we got to leave behind in is consumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, assumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: This impulse to continually buy, and we, it's everywhere, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I've been evoked in this direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a byproduct of, of lace-dase capitalism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and you go on to any commercial is this time to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're supposed to be happy to eat any one of your hat.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're being stalked for some of my little words with friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even when I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you ditched me a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I, I told you, I told you, I told first of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You leave him that behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute, you're the one who's not known on this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's I get my brain back where it needs to be?
[SPEAKER_00]: I will join you in tracing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out, I'll go back to the little games with y'all again, yes, sorry, sorry, no, but you get a pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get a pass, but yeah, but seriously, our apps, if you want to, they're always on something YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching my sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you know, I can't hear the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always selling us something, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and you know, we're all guilty of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see a package at our door that came from Amazon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know, let's tell the truth, shame the devil.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know, I'm gonna go, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's being delivered.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we open it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it's a supple, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually, let's write it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always a, oh, my name is yo, and look in the phone, here's you, the phone, you know, she want to be supplements, let's show a, let's show a, let's show a, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let
[SPEAKER_00]: But it can feel that way when you get to your house, you're like, oh, what's this package going here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sent myself that because I purchased something that I forgot that the purchase, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we've got to leave that behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're, I think you're spied on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I leave consumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: We gotta leave it beyond.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think consumption that correlates with our own contentment too, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I'm not saying it on by which things you need.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you know what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what your advice is, you know, I don't have to tell you that, but you know, let's be more aware, you know, about what we're buying and why we're buying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the economy is helping us make those decisions by force, but still, you know, you've got no money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'll just cut this down time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't mean everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's struggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I think that's one thing that can be that should opt to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, left behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's consumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in order to leave consumption behind, pick up consumer, you got to pick up contentment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to set yourself up for success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think we realize how propaganda as we are, how manipulated we are, how targeted by marketing we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even, you know, our phones, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They think about how we are always being sold something habitually being sold something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's good to say, okay, let's resist shame on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We clearly got a consumption issue, but we also have a system that's habituated and drives addiction around consumerism.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we actually have to unplug.
[SPEAKER_00]: from some things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think some of the things that we have to leave behind is our connection to technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I think we have, as we record on Mike's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I would say this, we have to make some choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to make some choices about what's our thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I think about how much media and stimulation is coming at me in one day, I can't even really keep up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it'd be wise to probably do an audit to really sit down and do this exercise of how many people try to sell me something today.
[SPEAKER_00]: how many things tried to give my attention to day, how many people how many, does this need to give the influence it's trying?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're a part of the system, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is, I mean, you don't have to do a whole day because we our days are precious, but you can probably do a couple hours, a couple hour audit of just living their our life and how how many messages that we are getting, we're getting each day and I think in order for us to push back from consumerism, we're going to actually have to be aware.
[SPEAKER_00]: aware of all the ways we're being pulled to consume so that we can have a fighting chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's hard for us to have a fighting chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was joking with you that I got to package the other day in the mail and I was like, huh, what's this package?
[SPEAKER_00]: box arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean let's look I opened up the box still don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Open up the start open it up start squeezing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like oh it's soft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh then I start opening up the plastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is like kind of I know it's stuck down the, you need to be something huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can be like, oh yeah, I can see a vacuum exactly vacuum sealed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I had to start like cutting into the plastic and it starts bursting open.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, is this a blanket?
[SPEAKER_00]: I had apparently purchased a blanket for Valentine's Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did show them a good blanket.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, it was like a TV watching blanket for you and your boo on Valentine's Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you pull the blanket out, it's supposed to look like the cover of a Netflix advertisement for a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the time, when they sold me this,
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, and listen, it wouldn't have my face on it, and my husband's face, unless I had uploaded it, I didn't even work yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, what I tell you, I don't remember any less to my face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't have like our wedding date on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know that unless I see it, I mean it was sweet, but also I don't even remember this purchase and it came.
[SPEAKER_00]: It came well after Valentine's Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so finally my husband comes home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, here's your Valentine's Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, that is so interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you like to snuggle up, you know, on your sofa, which you're blinking or whatever, it could be a very sweet idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, I remember seeing it, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: create and I don't remember buying it but I have somebody did is here this house so that's what I mean by like how we can so and I'm giving you it myself as an example how we can just unconsciously and it's not even just um
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to do some deliberate things for that package to show up and I couldn't even fully track and remember them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think a part of what we have to let go of is our lack of self-awareness which produces a lack of self-control which leads to the consumption that we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, and also being present, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's also part of the, because the
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need a little moment of silence.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this somebody that's you know, I am also the people like you know No, I think that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, you know, let's take a quick commercial break And then we come out with a commercial break so you can get something The irony oh my gosh a meditative break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, to think Exactly, but what you gonna leave yes, right behind okay, and we will be right back
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we, um, in order to go where we are going, you know, um, which is up y'all know, the freedom I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Woo, okay, wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have got to leave behind this, um, self-hatred, um, internalized white supremacy.
[SPEAKER_02]: we got to leave it behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have got to leave it behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am really, really saddens me to see the many ways that it's manifests itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: These manifestations of internalize what supremacy and self-hatred within our community, whether it's a manifest in diaspora wars, you know, that's
[SPEAKER_02]: Just pretty by them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might not know what drives for wars is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think y'all do, but Okay, it's just where you know where we see a lot of in fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you know I'm on Africans Caribbean folk African American black people of the black
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a custom, you know, you know, typically these things pop off online, you know, I'm sure these things like that's a current platform, but there's, you know, there's some real conflicts in real life too, you know, yeah, so there's that, there's this,
[SPEAKER_02]: this current wave and some seeded internalized attack against our black institutions, black Greek letter organizations, black church.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and yes, and yes, H black schools.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess anything black, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a deep city.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a seriously, you tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just said it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even black people found it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything to black, yeah, black church.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another wave of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've seen that kind of kicking up a number of wave of like renouncing or denounce or shaming the black church.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's different than like critique.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the always roof of critique, critique.
[SPEAKER_02]: But.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like this all out, just this deep-seated discussed or revile or shame around our institutions, our faith practices, I just
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand, and we don't have time for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have got to leave it behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just don't have time for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we are going to get where we need to go, and then go ahead and depend on us.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're going to get where we need to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have got to be a people that are wise, are they're discerning, that are able to,
[SPEAKER_02]: understand, you know, when we are being attacked, you know, from within and from without.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have to be discerning that there are people that traffic, white supremacy, that look like us.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, white supremacy cannot work unless not only just black folks, but people like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, our complicit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it cannot work apart from our own complicity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think we have got to resist that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to reject that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to kill that stuff, hatred within ourselves, and within our hearts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uproot it, dig it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't affect only you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it spills out to the community, because hatred cannot be contained.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so, and it's got to be replaced with deep, deep, abiding love for self.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love for God, and then love for self, and out of our love for self, flows our love for our neighbor.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the second greatest commandment that Jesus gave us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, and so we, I don't know, those, I'm really concerned with the ways that we're seeing as you should be, you know, this, this waves of announcement and I, I just, I believe this is my opinion, I believe that there are, um, there are pastors and there are influencers that are on the payroll of white, right wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, why this right, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: What right wing organizations that are trafficking, you know, this trash and mess into our community, making us hate our own institutions and things I built that they have helped to uphold democracy that have helped us get to the polls and to vote and to exercise our democratic rights to vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I, I just, it, it, it grieves me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does grieve me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that self hatred and that internalized rights to privacy also feels the gender worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, within our community as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's, that's the part of the institutional breakdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now the institution of relationships and, in the book, one, one politically, it's marriage.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I just, we have got to get, we have got to get, we got to leave that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to live it, and pick up love, pick up love for self, and truly see ourselves as beautifully and fearfully, wonderfully made in the image of God, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, you know me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some things where I just can't even dignify the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like the conversation is just so absurd.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't mean I don't think we should, we must be critical and discerning thinkers about all matters of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like when I see the point, when I see the, when I see the point coming, and I see the manipulations, I'm like, oh, we can't, I can't even engage that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a good, that's not a good faith conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it's like if I'm talking to somebody that says a person who is gas lighting around that that black people experience racism in America I'm not going back and forth with you on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not going back and forth and I'm not going back and forth about whether or not we need black institutions
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on and labeling things as demonic?
[SPEAKER_00]: The lack of, so I was thinking we have to leave behind is the lack of self-control in our speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all leave that behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything ain't demonic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's not a witch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's not demonic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, control your language.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to give it a count for every word we say.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what is demonic?
[SPEAKER_00]: an entire global sex trafficking ring of people who are literally abusing you're referring to the children yes and here's my thing if i see you talking about uh... black reglitter organizations the black church as you see you and you got none to say about the next about who actual human trafficking people who are literally devil worshipers as people who are descendants of human trafficking man yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you serious eating children and you got all this heat for black rigletter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or please Just goodbye Well, and then everything but white difference I mean it we're not like everything very It is very disturbing It's very minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the energy and I think again to go back to go
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious, it's just hilarious
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to follow and foolishness and a lack of wisdom and immaturity.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to leave behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have got to become more sober mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't mean that we don't play.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't delight.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't tackle.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't rejoice.
[SPEAKER_00]: We must do those things for our mental health.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to be very clear about what is what is, what is wisdom and what is folly?
[SPEAKER_00]: We have got to get precise on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we cannot, yep, end our time.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... in our energy and our limited resources uh... playing with folly playing with folly at this point is playing with fire come on it is it is it is so dangerous it is and and to the segue from the succumb that you just talked about i mean so much of that is folly it is foolishness and um... and it deeply deeply harms people
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and so I think we have to, we have to pull back from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I was mentioning earlier is we have got to let go of negative people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a huge difference between truthful people and negative people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the truth expands beyond the bad report.
[SPEAKER_00]: So negativity, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is attractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives us a buzz.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like literally we know this from looking at the research on what people are most likely to click on online.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not the good news, it is not the exciting news, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a sensationalism that attracts us and pulls us in.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible talks about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying, I got to let go of nosiness.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible talks about gossip as choice morsels that go down, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the consequences are deadly, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so our appetite has to shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing, it's like, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it, all of us are attracted to what is novel, what is interesting, what gives us an escape into another life, and especially when times are hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's similar to like, you know, there are seasons of my life where I have maybe stopped watching a certain type of television show or music or whatever it might be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you walk away from a certain type of food, like I'm not gonna eat red meat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave my shows alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see it, but you feel in it and you hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really much of it alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Skellivize.
[SPEAKER_00]: Molly is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Skellivize.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were shows alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I got left is my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm too touched by Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To actually feel again to feel a fresh, why that may not have been a good thing for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have, we have got to work on not becoming the sensitized to foolishness.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only way to not be the sensitized to foolishness is you have to actually walk away from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that when it comes back into your life, you recognize it for what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the music that I listen to growing up, especially.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean well listen to it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm chuckle like some songs came on the radio and I was like You know, I had like kids in the car and I was like click let me cut that off And this is the music that I you know And I'm sure the kids listen to all kinds of music right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, but yet, but I could hear that music in a way that was different
[SPEAKER_00]: Then when I first heard it, many, many years ago and we do need to have experiences where we walk away from things not because we legalistic, but because we cannot become desensitized to sin and to foolishness and to things that do not mean us well and the more we get used to it, we don't even recognize it when it's right with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's one thing that we always have got to be very aware of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think our devices are desensitizing us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much violence, harm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes in the hand-a-hand with what you're saying about resisting foolishness and bracing wisdom and just needing to Of course, which we talked about too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, height and discernment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we talked about that and and you do I think some some ways that we resist foolishness is also through prayer, right and praying about these things like for okay, so a hundred different
[SPEAKER_02]: You know I you know I you know I'm a news junkie you know I'm gonna go investigate all my good Oh, we gotta know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to know what is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness Is that like I am that person y'all know this so you better to say what you know Especially if it's well, and it's not just news from anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I would you know There's a appreciation for primary sources and
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Highly vetted.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least as much as I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you try?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but also making sure I'm carrying, because there is so much information.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a day loser information.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A day loser information on the daily.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so for me, part of my practice, to keep myself,
[SPEAKER_02]: from being desensitized and remaining sensitized to the things that are happening with the horrific things that are happening is happened and that have happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about this before but how I was just after George Floyd, I just was not watching anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, any of our people get killed any more at all, even if they not are people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was not watching Alex Pradies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, assassination.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't watching, you know, Renee Nicole, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was not watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still haven't watched those, you know, not watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even with everything coming out, you know, we can just read a written account.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can read it really a week and a week and a week and a week and a week and a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can get my updates from the independent journalists that I follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have to keep it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like for me, um, because I don't want to be dis sensitized, you know, to that level of dehumanization.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing with all of the news and the things that are coming out with the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I am a, I am a primary source type person, but there's something that I just cannot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is just, it's toxic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't do double worship.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there should be a hard line for Christians.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even if you're not a Christian, maybe I should be going around calling everybody else away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we find a line somewhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: My God.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I'm like, I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I, so it was making it harder is that I have to go to people that I'm metabolizing the information for me, because I'm just like, I'm not going to go, I'm never going to go search that.
[SPEAKER_02]: and so I'll take what people have metabolized and then I got to carry it to the throne, you know, because the violators sit with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be desensitized to that, but I also don't want it sitting, it is so heinous, it is so evil, it is so depraved, that it just, it really turns, turns my stomach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I have to literally
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to take it to the Lord via imprecatory prayers and praying for God's justice to come for real and keeping the survivors in mind but also praying for God's justice to come for those who have been failed by that just wicked that whole wicked enterprise and come all the people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil and I think it you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Unchecked million and billionaires who have access to every sphere of society and technology, you name it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are unchecked currently.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will not always be.
[SPEAKER_00]: One day they will fall headlong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is a good reminder is to take that with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That you don't know about what doesn't go with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing that is going with us, reminder that God is just.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sees it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sees it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he, and he will repay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's our adventurer and shall repay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think, okay, so the things we're not leaving, I mean, I'm telling you, that we all leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Folly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Negative people not to be confused with discerning and honest people people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They ain't got nothing but negative They say yes, even behind stuff hatred internalized right supremacy We leave him behind wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm listening to consumption consumption and on unchecked unfiltered Reception of being come of commercials of of being pulled to buy to purchase right that lack of self-awareness
[SPEAKER_00]: and leaving behind a lack of self-awareness, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to, we have to actually look at our closet.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to audit our pantry, but the internal pantry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, internal pantry of our hearts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is so tempting to not to deal with ourselves in the midst of all of these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we are going to have to leave behind ignoring.
[SPEAKER_00]: self ignoring what is actually happening within.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we leave in behind, y'all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's your turn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what do you lead in that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you leaving behind?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to say, well, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you exactly leave listening?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, technology, remember?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the other one we said was going behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, but not your tip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we said we said we need to manage it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, manage, but yeah, what are we selecting?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to be, we need to be selective.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us leave behind not being wisely discriminating over content.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all have a whole lot of time, so whatever we want to put in that time, let's be really thought about what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so yeah, yeah, let us know which I'll leave them behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for taking a seat at the table, but let us know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk on this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you leaving behind as we go on this underground railroad to point out, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank y'all so much for taking a seat at the table with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been your host, Cicamini.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey Christina.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you soon on the next true table.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye y'all.