[SPEAKER_03]: This is Jocco podcast number 538 with Equal Charles and me, Jocco Winning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, Echo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Major Christian Albert Bach, more commonly referred to as Major C-A Bach, born in 1870.
[SPEAKER_03]: Enter the U.S. Army as a private in the 13th Minnesota Infantry, a little later by the time he deployed to the Philippines for combat in the Spanish American War in 1898.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a sergeant by that time, fought with the 13th Minnesota on the right flank of the
[SPEAKER_03]: and the right flank became the most contested terrain during that battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: 13th Minnesota suffered the highest casualties rate of any American unit in that battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: He continued to seek combat in the Philippine-American War.
[SPEAKER_03]: For the next few years after that, where Sergeant Bach was promoted.
[SPEAKER_03]: and commissioned to become a second lieutenant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after the Philippine American War, he transitioned to the regular army, served in the 7th Cav by the time America entered World War I, Bach was a major.
[SPEAKER_03]: And based on his experience, his combat experience from fighting in the Philippines, he started off the war world war one training cadets that were to become officers and to go into company command.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eventually he did join the fight overseas.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was awarded the Silverstar the Army Distinguished Service Medal.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then after the war, he continued to serve New Army until he retired in 1934 after 36 years of service.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, after retiring became a military historian, he came in all three put out some books about the history of war.
[SPEAKER_03]: Specifically, I think his most popular book was about the fourth division in its and its achievements in World War I, but the most enduring thing that he passed on,
[SPEAKER_03]: was not something actually from his books, it was a speech that he gave to graduating students.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would about to become officers or go into command as officers, company command in Fort Sheridan in 1917.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is right before we got into World War I.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was training officers and he gave this speech about the principles that he had learned about leadership when he was in combat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's hear how major C.A.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bach told young leaders to lead.
[SPEAKER_03]: he says this.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a short time, each of you men will control the lives of a certain number of other men.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will have in your charge loyal but untrained citizens who look to you for instruction and guidance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your word will be their law.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your most casual remark will be remembered.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your mannerisms will be apet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thought apet was like a modern, you know, slang word for
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we mean to your mannerisms will be aped.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're clothing, your carriage, your vocabulary, your manner of command will be imitated.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it goes out of the gate, you're being watched, you're being watched, and the way that you behave is the way your team is going to behave.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you join your organization, you will find there a willing body of men who ask from you nothing more.
[SPEAKER_03]: than the qualities that will command their respect, their loyalty and their obedience.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a very, very high bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, look, nothing more than the qualities that command their respect, their loyalty, and their obedience.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are perfectly, by the way, I forgot to say this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this, this speech is something that,
[SPEAKER_03]: you can find little pieces in this speech throughout all different areas of military leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all kind of infused in various organizations, especially in the army, but it's infused a little bit in the air force as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of things might sound a little bit familiar, and it's because they're rooted because this speech became very, very famous inside the military.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are perfectly ready and eager to follow you, so long as you can convince them that you have these qualities.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, they'll follow you as long as you're a badass.
[SPEAKER_03]: When the time comes that they are satisfied, you do not possess them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might as well kiss yourself goodbye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your usefulness in that organization is at an end.
[SPEAKER_03]: from the standpoint of society the world may be divided into leaders and followers.
[SPEAKER_03]: The professions have their leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: The financial world has its leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: In all this leadership, it is difficult if not impossible to separate the element of pure leadership that selfish element of personal gain or advantage the individual without which any leadership would lose its value.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what he's saying there is, you know, if you're a banker,
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a certain amount of what do they call it?
[SPEAKER_03]: A personal advantage, personal gain that you get by being a leader in a bank or in a financial industry or in a trade, you get a certain amount of gain from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he says, it is in military service only where men freely sacrifice their lives for a faith.
[SPEAKER_03]: where men are willing to suffer and die for the right or the prevention of a wrong that we can hope to realize leadership in its most exalted and disinterested sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, when I say leadership, I mean a military leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, there's a couple things.
[SPEAKER_03]: a couple things to navigate there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, if you think military people, military leaders, don't do things for personal gain, you're completely wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is, I've talked about that since day one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you know anyone in the military, they can definitely tell you about bosses that we're looking to get promoted.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the main thing they're looking for.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're looking to get the best possible situation for themselves, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's not true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, in the civilian
[SPEAKER_03]: when people do the right things for the right reasons, they will end up more successful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, are there people that do bad things, do the wrong things, and try and give them a self-person gain?
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, sir.
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying that exists in the civilian sector and it exists in the military sector as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get to see it when it falls apart in the civilian sector.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some guy that's been embezzling, some guy that's been falsifying, contractor, falsifying documents, or falsifying what they're doing from their financial perspective, or their egotistical trying to make it look like all those things come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they don't come out when they win.
[SPEAKER_03]: in most cases.
[SPEAKER_03]: They come out when they lose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now look, do people occasionally pull it off, some guy builds up some fake ass company or is abusive and just kind of gets it done and makes money?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: It happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eventually, usually they get found out, you know, but but.
[SPEAKER_03]: it does happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So keep that in mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not quite as pure as as he mentions here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what he does say, and I will, so I'm going into that one a little bit hard, but he says what we hope to realize is leadership in its most exalted form.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's he's admitting it, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we hope to see the pure leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's ideal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, continuing on.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a few days, the great mass of you men will receive commissions as officers.
[SPEAKER_03]: These commissions will not make you leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little new slash there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Second lieutenant.
[SPEAKER_03]: That commission does not make you leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: They will merely make you officers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They will place you in a position where you can become leaders if you possess the proper attributes.
[SPEAKER_03]: but you must make good not so much with the man over you as the man under you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh dang, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so we in the game now, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter what your boss thinks, you what are your boys think of you?
[SPEAKER_03]: What are your troops think of you?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's how you become a leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: it's it's always interesting because you ever heard somebody talk about we don't put you can't get away with the way we used to be able to do things can't leave like that anymore, almost a negative.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like people act like, oh, when I was, you know, when I was in somebody got out of line, smack them upside the head.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You weren't a good leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Even me, I did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when I was a E5 Mafia, my leadership style was definitely more harsh than it was as I got older and more mature and had better examples.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that you have to make good with your troops and earn their respect and earn the position of leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what this is about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even in 1917.
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, he's bringing back
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, uh, uh, experiences from 1898, this is old school stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you something, send it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember or know when you first became in charge of other people?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in my, it was interesting, even in my first platoon, I was the primary comms guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so there was one guy that was my guy, like subboard.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was my subordinate, technically, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when was this, like your first year?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was my first, I want to first go out to a COP2.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so okay, so Tom's got what was his position name or whatever you secondary calm secondary primary primary Okay, so so you you had to tell him what to do from time to time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, for sure And he would really he wouldn't really tell you what so it was it was was it very like tangible and established that you were his boss Yeah, that was it was yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the chain like you you're the primary calm guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep 100%
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then do you remember I guess I'm like okay, do you remember when you're in charge of you like more than just one guy like when you got either promoted or you know, yeah, so I guess once once
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're a little bit of a fire team leader, which I didn't usually do because I was a radio man.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, my fire team would always have the lieutenant in it, so I'd have an officer in my fire team, so I wouldn't be the fire team leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it wasn't really when I got, I guess when I got to trade at, or sorry, training cell at team one, and we'd go on trips, and I would be like, you know, you know, you're
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, in charge of the trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like permanent or is that just part of the rotation?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm going to want to meet like where you're like established like permanent and that's something I was going to say because even, you know, when you're like you've heard me tell a story about when DC took over the platoon and put me and another guy in charge to run the app, but
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not really what you're looking for.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're looking for like technically According to by the book, you are now in charge of these individuals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're their boss Yeah, and even though that happened all the time On a temporary like oh, you're running this opera or you're a hey, you're in charge of You know clearing the backside of this target or you're in charge of this OP observation point like that
[SPEAKER_03]: Getting to put in charge of that stuff a lot or like you're the dive Supervisor for this dive or you're the range safety officer for this range All those things are Leading like hey, I'm giving the range brief.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm making sure that everything squared away if something goes wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in charge On a dive like hey, I'm making sure that everyone's showing up making sure that everyone's dive very good Spectered I'm in charge of the overall safety like so you know you're in charge of things, but to go straight up By the book
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't really until I got commissioned, and I went to team two, and now I'm in a platoon as a assistant platoon commander, and I have a squad of guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know what this question might could very well apply it to like, even when you're temporarily in charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I personally have a very hard time I have to admit this to myself telling people what to do, like being their boss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, you go over here and make sure this is done, you know, like, brahman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel, I always feel like I shouldn't be bossy nobody around, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I would say even when I was like the primary calm guy, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm bossing people around has never been something that I did much of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's never really, and you've heard me say this when I talk about...
[SPEAKER_03]: Relationships, you know, everything that I did in the military is based on relationships and listening to people what people have to say And I was never like this is what we're doing boys Or like hey echo you need to be here at this time But I'm like hey that we're launching around here when do you guys think we should show up?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's and as a matter of fact I wrote in leadership strategy and tactics.
[SPEAKER_03]: I told a story leadership strategy and tactics where I My guys it was like a guy guy that showed up
[SPEAKER_03]: Almost late.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not quite late.
[SPEAKER_03]: I then we forgot a piece of gear and I told the the E5 Mafia and the leadership of the the platoon because I was a platoon commander but I told you know like the LPO I was like hey if anything like this ever happens again, I'm gonna run everything
[SPEAKER_03]: Meaning like I will micromanage everything and I and I told them I want to do that But I'm not going to I want to and they were like we got a boss.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a boss And never had any issue ever again, but but to your point like I was never like okay
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what time we're mastering and here's what gear you need to bring and you know, I never did that kind of stuff I would say like hey guys, here's the up we got what time you think we need to be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: What hey what gear this is what we're doing You know, make sure we got the right gear for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so You know, it's never really like telling people what's you in again does this Apply when you're doing an immediate action drill and desert warfare training and you go peel right now That's a different thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a different scenario
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah fully so i guess my so and you're right though now i'm i'm like reflecting now where even now you like sometimes my daughter will be like oh uh something my blah blah j- uh your buck jokku's your boss
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I don't care what she says, but when she says it gives me like a very specific feeling like I want to correct her not because Joven, no, no my boss is not that it's just that it doesn't feel like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like I'm following your orders all the time You know like it either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like I got to check.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so just if you like a boss scenario
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't really consider myself your boss, and you know, I really, the weird thing is is I don't, even though, like, we just came back from the monster, I use the term subordinate a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't actually consider anyone to be my subordinate, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's which is a weird thing, which is a weird thing, like I don't, I don't look at anyone and think, oh, that person's a subordinate to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just look at other people and go, oh, they've got this part of the mission they got this part of the task I got this part of the task We're gonna work together cover for each other and make sure that it gets done like that's the way if you everybody and by the way, even You know even no matter where I am
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, even even out in, you know, walking around the streets, you know, I don't look at other people like, oh, I have a nicer car than that person.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're subordinate to me, you know, or inferior inferior inferior inferior inferior.
[SPEAKER_03]: I look at I'm like, oh, yeah, that person's probably doing something cool and probably has some skills that I don't have.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't really consider anyone to be a subordinate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it doesn't feel like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like back in the, you know, in those days when you get promoted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, this is more appropriate to when you're temporarily into our Jacksonville and thinking of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because one moment you're part of the team, I think that's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I always feel like we're kind of doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say, okay, me and Connor, we'll say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say we're going on a video shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: the camera, I got this other stuff or whatever, and I'm like, technically I could carry everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't be carrying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to go down this canyon and all this stuff or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt uncomfortable telling him, hey, can you carry this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know technically I could carry it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why would I tell him to carry when I can do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I'm bossing him around, like I'm loose balls.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt very uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I see him, you know, but we're both kind of making this video.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why would I order him around right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: isn't there like an element of that that you have to like overcome because it like it it would help like that I mean that's a thing did you prioritize the mission a little bit yeah but also it's it's you know you don't say hey come over here grab these three bags and carry them down you go hey man could you give me a hand with these things yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not really an order and in fact, if you picked it all up yourself and you started walking Most people that you interact with be like, hey, let me grab one of those bags.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all that is every single time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is Yeah, I'd go until thing, but yeah, that's exactly how it turns out and that's why I know that it's kind of an issue because I'm like My discomfort for quote unquote bossing people around or telling them what to do or whatever Is keeping
[SPEAKER_01]: is like hindering the mission and the efficiency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I don't want to sound like I, I don't want to, I'm not sitting here making a claim like I haven't been like, hey, grab that table over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say that to anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't care if you were the admiral or you were the new guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I was like, had to pick up this piece of equipment and put it on the pallet, I'd be like, hey, I don't know, can you grab that?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's not that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I think as long as you're doing stuff for the good of the mission, I think people recognize that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like, hey, Admiral, can you load my bags while I sit over here with my feet up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, yeah, yeah, I think it's like a reframe I guess because like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe I'm traumatized.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like some old bosses or whatever had that higher horse kind of vibe to them, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's got, you know, sometimes you get the impression, like, oh, this person's telling me what to do in that tone, just for the sake of like flexing their authority in front of people or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, by the way, like there are times when you're in charge, where you're making the call, like I can think of millions of times where, okay, there's going on this, going on this, going on, this is an option, this is an option,
[SPEAKER_03]: And I go, all right, do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone goes cool, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Usually there's enough time and space so everyone kind of realizes like, oh, there's an advantage, this advantage is we need to go one direction of the other.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I feel that right there, it's like, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking and you're doing laying out these perfect scenarios where I'm like, proud that's how, you know, that's the jam right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I think in my mind of my past, I think I'm like envisioning these very real experiences that I've had where I see someone just get put in charge and they turn into a whole different person and start ordering people around and like, you know, with their chin up and just sort of, you know, just quote unquote running stuff, you know, like
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking, probably, I would rather die than look like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim saying, so I'm like, all scared or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a little bit full of shy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like I said, I think there's there's absolutely appropriate times to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you just need to be aware of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I got a frame it where like your your whole vibe comes off just like how you said where it's kind of like, hey, we're all like doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, bro, I'll tell you like, I'm in this position sometimes too,
[SPEAKER_01]: some of us kind of need direction since you have a more of a mental grasp on the whole thing it's like right it's best coming for me you know it's like hey there's a whole right there can can you feel that oh perfect because I was looking for something to feel soon saying for sure where if yeah I guess I got to just frame it like that more but from the leadership perspective
[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm running, if I'm telling you what time to show up, what equipment to bring, I'm telling you every possible order that I can.
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, you have no, you don't learn anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't take any initiative and you're like, well, I'm just going to wait until Dr. Aquatelsman wants to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I really need something,
[SPEAKER_03]: you don't it's just another it's it's an order number forty nine out of you know fifty and who cares as opposed to like oh you kind of figured out what you're gonna bring and I go hey one shot you need to get today is this you can get that shot but if I told you to do all these other things and get this other shot too you're like I can't be surprised when you weren't able to do it or you didn't do it or you didn't understand the priority of it
[SPEAKER_03]: Men must, and will follow into battle officers who are not leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the driving power behind these men is not enthusiasm, enthusiasm, but discipline.
[SPEAKER_03]: They go without, and trembling, that prompts the unspoken question what will he do next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Such men obey the letter of their orders, but no more.
[SPEAKER_03]: of devotion to their commander of exalted enthusiasm, which scorns personal risk of self-sacrifice to injure his personal safety, they know nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Their legs carry them forward because their brain and their training tell them they must go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Their spirit does not go with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's people that are just not good leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: When people aren't good leaders, there's no, there's no spirit, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not gonna take extra personal risk.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not gonna do more.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll just kinda do what they're told.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the chances that you as a leader are gonna be able to tell everyone exactly what it is they need to do all the way to the end to great.
[SPEAKER_03]: The chances are zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna be in situations where they have to change or you have to step up and you have to do more than what you told them to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't have good leadership, they're not going to be able to do it, and they're not going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Continue on great results are not achieved by cold, passive, unresponsive soldiers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't go very far, and they stop as soon as they can.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, he gives the country leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: not only demands, but receives the willing, unhesitating, unfaltering obedience and loyalty of other men, and a devotion that will cause them when the time comes to follow their uncrowned king to hell and back again if necessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's leadership, as opposed to following people that aren't leaders.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will ask yourselves, of just what then does leadership consist?
[SPEAKER_03]: What must I do to become a leader?
[SPEAKER_03]: What are the attributes of leadership and how can I cultivate them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Leadership is a composite of a number of qualities among the most important I would list.
[SPEAKER_03]: Self-confidence, moral ascendancy, self-sacrifice, paternalism, fairness, initiative, decision, dignity,
[SPEAKER_03]: And now he rattles through himself confidence results first from the exact, from exact knowledge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Second, the ability to impart that knowledge and third, the feeling of superiority over others that naturally follows.
[SPEAKER_03]: All these give officer poise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's interesting, Alicon can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: To lead, you must know.
[SPEAKER_03]: You may bluff all of your men some of the time, but you can't do it all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Men will not have confidence in an officer unless he knows his business, and he must know it from the ground up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what's interesting about this is, you've heard me say thousand times.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know, do something, you don't pretend like you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's saying that, but he's like eliminating the fact that there's my piece of stuff you don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's like, you got to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's interesting is when you talk about confidence, like, if you're feeling confident going into digital match, what makes you feel confident, is it a pep talk?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a go?
[SPEAKER_03]: Drinking a go before you compete?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what gives you real confidence before you compete?
[SPEAKER_03]: You practiced.
[SPEAKER_03]: You practiced hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: You trained hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: You rehearsed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the things they give you confidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, that confidence follows through in leadership, because if you have trained and you prepared and you study, you feel confident and people are going to see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, we're, of course, we're not letting this flow into arrogance, but it is, you know, we're not following people that lack confidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't like to follow people that are ego maniacs, but we don't want to follow people that are scared and lack confidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Confidence is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The officers should know more about paperwork than his first sergeant and company clerk put together.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should know more about messing than the mess sergeant.
[SPEAKER_03]: More about diseases of the horse than his true inferior.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should be at least as good a shot as any man in his company.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's kind of a taller order.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to tell you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never, I never knew more about admin than my admin people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never knew more about the logistics than my logistics people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never was, you know, never, there was always people in a platoon that are going to be a better shot than you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a, that's a tall task there.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the officer does not know and demonstrates the fact that he does not know, it is entirely human for the soldier to say to himself to hell with him, he doesn't know as much about this as I do and calmly disregard the instructions received.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is this is a tough one man, like I'm not, I don't agree with all this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the way I break this down, the way I've always broken this down is
[SPEAKER_03]: you ever heard the thing that there's no such thing as stupid questions?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there are, and especially if you're in a leadership position and you have neglected to do the basic groundwork to understand the fundamentals of the situation that you're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are stupid questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the things that people will lose faith in you.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you go out and you shoot your sniper rifle with the sniper rifle of the sniper and you don't shoot as well as him, the sniper doesn't go what a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the boss is out here.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to be as good.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know everything about programming a certain radio, the radio man's like, oh, he's a loser.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's not true.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but if you come out and you see the sniper rifle and you go, what's that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you pick up the radio, yeah, yeah, you know, is it, what, what, what, what, what weapon is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, bro, you didn't, you don't even know what sniper weapons we have, or you pick up a radio and say, what radio is this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I understand you don't know the detailed how to program four levels into the radio, but for you to pick up the radio, hey, this is good, good UHF radio, good, it's our god in bed and crypto in it, great, like knowing the basics, knowing the fundamentals is where is what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And listen, occasionally you're going to call off guard and maybe you have to raise your hand and there's something you don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay, but to not to do that on a regular basis is a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but to think that you're going to know it more than your radio man, it ain't happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're going to know more than your sniper, it ain't happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're going to know more than your medic, it ain't happening, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those people went to a year-long school to figure that stuff out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to be better than them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you got stupid questions, that shows you haven't even put forth the effort, that's going to be a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Continue on.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no substitute substitute for accurate knowledge because so well informed that men will hunt you up to ask you questions that your brother officers will say to one another, ask Smith he knows.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not only should each officer know thoroughly the duties of his own grade, but he should study those of the two grades next above him.
[SPEAKER_03]: A twofold benefit attaches to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He prepares himself for duties which may fall to his lot during any time in a battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: He further gains a broader viewpoint which enables him to appreciate the necessity for the issuance of orders and join more intelligently in their execution.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally grew that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Always know what the next couple levels above you and the chain of command have going on and what their job is.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I would say two levels down as well, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: One or two levels down, one, I used to actually teach one level up and one level down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's like a 1.5 and 1.5 because again, you should know how to pick up that radio and make comms with it, but you probably don't know how to troubleshoot it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should know how to fire some rounds during, you know, on that sniper weapon, but you might not know how to dope it in.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And up the chain of command, it's like, oh, I can definitely make communications with the overhead assets, get information from them, but I probably didn't know how to plan the whole stack of aircraft that are up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a one and a half up and down the chain of command is probably a good spot to aim for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not only must the officer know, but he must be able to put what he knows into grammatical, interesting, forceful English.
[SPEAKER_03]: He must learn to stand on his feet and speak without embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm told that in British training camp, student officers are required to deliver 10 minute talks on any subject they choose.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is excellent practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: For to speak clearly, one must think clearly and clear logical thinking expresses itself in definite positive orders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the stuff I'm thinking in regards to like my kids, and I just thought of this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can be kids, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how you can kids will have arguments right like hey, I want to stay up late or I want to do a sleepover tomorrow Right and sometimes we're on the fence about it like yeah, you know I want them to have these experiences or blah blah
[SPEAKER_01]: But it might not be a good idea for X, Y, Z reason, but you're on the fence.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you could do an exercise, actually I'm going to do this, I'm like thinking out loud kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make them present in argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in front of everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems safe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, ask quite, I mean, look, not like full-on, trick-in, interrogation, motor, nothing, but really kind of, you're rooting for them, but ask them some challenging questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, hey, what about, you know, hey, I think I'm going to do that because
[SPEAKER_03]: terrible but yeah there's a lot of that's great and i i had my kids present cases at times i kind of like uh they want to get a phone yeah present the case you know and there's a lot of things that you can do that with very very helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea of standing up in front of everyone to me is because my kids are they'll present their case as of right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're whole thing is presenting their case and sometimes I'm like, that's kind of impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, like, I'll probably have you ever seen that video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a dash cat, you know, not a dash cat I'm looking out, but looking in at the driver in the passenger and then they had a girl, a daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: six, seven years old in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're at a drive-through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the mom's like, oh, can I get a coffee in this and that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the mom's in the driver's seat making the order through the drive-through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the dad is in the passenger seat and the daughters in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the mom says, oh, can I get a coffee and a blah blah blah and then the girl goes from the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: She goes, oh, can I get a cookie?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the mom goes, no, honey, we have a cookie at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then the dad's just kind of looking at the dry fear and the girl goes, well we have coffee at home and the dad's going to look at the dad's go in the fastener series like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he had no, you know, he's kind of like brush he has a point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of made that gesture and the lady's like, she's thinking about it and she didn't get mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prop Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't get mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like thinking about it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Frustrated, but she's like, she pauses and she goes, and can he get a cookie too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, bro, kids will have an argument, but if you can add that little layer of talking in front of people and making a clear case, you see what I'm saying while you're talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's that whole thing with public speaking is one of the biggest fears or whatever phobias.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can help and get over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The young age can be very helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Continuing on, while self-confidence is the result of knowing more than your men, moral ascendancy over them is based upon your belief that you are the better man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this is kind of opposite of what I just said.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't see other people as like subordinates.
[SPEAKER_03]: or inferior, you know, and I think I get where he's coming from and I'll get to in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says to gain and maintain this ascendancy, you must have self control, physical vitality, and endurance, and moral force.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must have yourself so well in hand, even though in battle you will be scared stiff, you will never show fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: For if, by so much as a hurried movement or a trembling of the hands or a change of expression or a hasty order hastily revoked, you indicate your mental condition, it will be reflected in your men to a far greater degree.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think what he's doing there is he's setting them up.
[SPEAKER_03]: you ever had like a coach or or a parent say like you're better than that yeah I think that's what he's setting up is like hey be better than that be like behave in a way you know this is actually something I tell young military people like when you're part of this unit
[SPEAKER_03]: You represent this unit and everything you do people look at it at what you do and how you behave And they put that on this whole unit including by the way guys that died
[SPEAKER_03]: act accordingly is what I tell him act accordingly and so that's what he's saying I think you have to be careful obviously you're walking around thinking you're better than other people that's terrible but to elevate yourself to say hey you're better than that you need to behave to the highest possible standards standard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, let's face it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The old school, you know, so the presentation might not be as, you know, finally tuned as it could be like today, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the, if you do yeah, like take that, taking the high road, holding yourself to a high standard, because hey, bro, people are looking, you got to, you know, you got to kind of set the example.
[SPEAKER_01]: So make sure that example is high standards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it feels like, yeah, I feel like that that checks up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and one thing he says that he gets to later, you know, unless you, he's saying like, oh, you know, you don't change your order.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he talks about later like when you make a mistake, you have to change.
[SPEAKER_03]: So don't get, you don't want to get locked into something just because you said it, now that's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Continuing on, in Garrison or Camp, many instances will arise to try your temper and wreck the sweetness of your disposition.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it's such times you fly off the handle, you have no business to be in charge of men.
[SPEAKER_03]: For men in anger say and do things that they almost invariably regret afterwards.
[SPEAKER_03]: Boom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't lose your temper.
[SPEAKER_03]: An officer should never apologize to his men.
[SPEAKER_03]: also an officer should never be guilty of an act for which his sense of justice tells me should apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I totally disagree with not apologizing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think when you mess up, you should absolutely apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: That being said, it's almost like it's almost a trick, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He said you should never apologize because you should never do anything we have to apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: But hey, since we're not perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you do screw up, you should absolutely apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've heard that today.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard people say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never apologize to your kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you should never apologize to your team.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I call posted on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You make a mistake.
[SPEAKER_03]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I screwed this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a lot of times the no apology or, you know, you got to know everything or whatever because you know, a lot of us like we kind of need.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to follow somebody, we need an element of consistency there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't need some wishy washi, you know, person that doesn't know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like they're trying to maybe over index on that that element of perfection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you got to stay, you know, and even if you mess up, which we all do, so you can't let them see you sweat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, gotta be careful with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It comes out so much better when you just, when you screw up, everyone's season you screw up, they see it, it's not like they don't see it, they see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just apologize to take ownership and move on.
[SPEAKER_03]: another element in gaining moral ascendancy lies in the possession of enough physical vitality and endurance to withstand the hardships to which you and your men are subjected and adultless spirit that enables you not only to accept them cheerfully but to minimize their magnitude.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to be in freakin' shape.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to be able to handle it physically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not only so that you can accept it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gleefully.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're like no factor.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can minimize its magnitude.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a great one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make light of your troubles, be little your trials, and you will help vitally to build up within your organization and a spree whose value in time of stress cannot be measured.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got some big problem going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: No factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you like that one?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that, you know, I was referring mentally back to the, that you get to incident where I like, I was trying to cross my leg over whatever and it kicked you in the face, hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the leaves will straight up strike to the face to the point where I had to say, oh, I was like, oh, wait, pause the roll.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, are you okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's no, you didn't feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't even notice it happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stop pulling off.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't notice that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not admitting.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your is your heel okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you know, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: You said your heel hit something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you good?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I caught a couple.
[SPEAKER_03]: I caught like legit like two freaking hardcore knees to the face.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, from Noah by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, last round scenario.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was, you know, all right, last one, I think we did 10 rounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was it was getting crazy and everyone was getting kind of nuts.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was, you know, towards the end, everyone's kind of like de-escalated a little bit, but then I'm like, you know, um
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, last round, boys.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was, you know, the little flashes you get.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blossoms you get hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you get hit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got one and then I kept going, God, another one double.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I felt blood and I was like, ah, I really helped them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was hoping it wasn't a cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just a bloody nose.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that pretty good shiner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Noah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I tried to make light and kept.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I couldn't keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now I was bleeding, you know, and you want to get blood all over the mat and the whole nine yards.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, if as much as I can, I'm going to belittle my trials.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moral Force is the third element to gaining moral ascendancy to exert more force.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must live clean.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must have sufficient brain power to see the right and the will to do the right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be an example to your men.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what that all boils down to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have to watch out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have to watch out that we're not
[SPEAKER_03]: leaving that we're better than people because a lot of this if you if you have the wrong personality you're going to take this and like the person that you know you go to the you go to the restaurant and you know you order a stake in Caesar salad and then you got some one else and they order a stake in Caesar salad but then they pull out the croutons so you're eating the croutons and they think they're better than you as a human
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, a types of diabetes much, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: And he'll compete in certain things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in preparation, I think it was in preparation, like, you know, the family would go eat dinner and he had a young daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when he would eat dinner, his dinner was different than the rest of the family's dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the daughter unbeknownst to him felt this overwhelming guilt that you know because he's obviously eating the correct stuff she's eating the incorrect stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's eating broccoli and a skinless chicken brass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to the point where
[SPEAKER_01]: The daughter wound up having a slight disorder from it as a result.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she admitted this later or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so you think, you know, like, no, no, no, I'm not pressuring nobody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just doing my thing or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can kind of give off that vibe if you're not careful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And people can smell that vibe.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've been smelling your intent.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you and your heart believe that you're better than them, you've got a problem like you got a problem, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be problematic.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if we're out at the bar,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean like even when I go out somewhere right and people are drinking alcohol Which I totally disagree with drinking alcohol.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I literally do not think I'm better than that You already mean I'm not like I'm like oh there there you know, they're gonna have a good time and I you know Probably not thinking too much about the future, but they're living in in the moment props to that you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm better than them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is definitely something that can happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what this whole, like a lot of this list right here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to watch out for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because even when I think I know, you know, you know, it's a classic example, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you get to?
[SPEAKER_03]: Gjitsu, when I am better than someone at Gjitsu, and I've told us so many people, when you're better than someone at Gjitsu, you're not a better person.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've just trained a little bit more Gjitsu than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't make you better, you're not a better human, you're not a better athlete.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just, you just been trained longer than somebody.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, that's a very good thing to keep in mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, people in various stages of their ascension is a particular thing, in that particular thing, which you or they may or may not care about by the way, they may not care.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, at the master I was talking about bowling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Dave Burke beat me and bowling.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but I was talking about in different ecosystems people judge things differently and one of the things, you know, in in Well in every ecosystem they have different things that they judge differently, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The, you know, I brought up if you're a biker and you've done time kind of like more respect
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're a banker and you've done time, it's like your respect goes out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might not even have that job anymore We end up in depending on what ecosystem you're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh You know people were like, care about I was like bowling is one of the examples I brought up and then I remembered as I was on stage I remembered that Dave Burke and our families together went bowling and Dave beat me in bowling and you know I'm like if there's a
[SPEAKER_03]: Being beaten and bowling is really, I don't know what's at the bottom of my list, but it's way down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't say it's way down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's way down there, but you know, but if someone's into bowling, like they're like, oh, this guy's that good at bowling, where's I literally don't care at all, not in one, not in no part of my brain any part of my brain do I say damn, like respect.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was your score?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dave was, Dave was beating me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You beat me, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a wife's good at weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think she, she'll, she's good at like, uh, billiards, like pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: She, she, she had a, in England they have a game called Snooker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Snooker.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's, she played Snooker all the time growing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: She plays Darts.
[SPEAKER_03]: She'll like beat you at weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or does he'll try to until you have to go aggro?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of respect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Darts too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Darts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So crush.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she's a Brett, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she'll just.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they go in a pub and play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Darts like it's going on a style.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I remember American Weirwolf and London.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a big thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the soccer TV show right now on Apple TV?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's the show too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to the famous dark scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, on this show, on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to belittling your own trials.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that can help yourself even as an individual in life, too, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, and actually probably more of a surprise for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I first got wind to that, where I was in, it was my third.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Third, you just determined.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dean Lister was coaching me first match of the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, we're kind of battling with this guy Chris.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen for a few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, he, um, we're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're battling back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was kind of getting tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my pace started to slow down and Dean Lister, you know, he's coaching me up or whatever and he goes,
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, you're not tired and brawl.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just became not tired, all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's true because I kind of like allowed myself to accept it that Halle was getting tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me slow down my pace, you know, kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was not even nearly as tired as I probably in real life was, you know, where it's like, use that mental gray area where you have the choice to accept or reject you know, reject.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, I grabbed the little that, grab the little that, grab the little that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Continuing on, an officer can be a power for good or a powerful evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't preach to them that will be worse than useless, live the kind of life you would want them to lead and you will be surprised to see the number that will imitate you.
[SPEAKER_03]: A loudmouth, the profane captain who is careless of his personal appearance will have a loudmouth profane dirty company.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember what I tell you, your company will be the reflection of yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have a rotten company, it is because you are a rotten captain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Self-sacrifice is essential to leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will give, give, all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will give of yourself physically for the longest hours, the hardest work, and the greatest responsibility are the lot of the captain.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is the first man up in the morning and the last man at night.
[SPEAKER_03]: He works while others sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will give of yourself mentally, in sympathy and appreciation for the troubles of men in your charge.
[SPEAKER_03]: This one's mother has died, and that one has lost all his savings in a bank failure.
[SPEAKER_03]: They made his eye or help, but more than anything else that is eye or sympathy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't make the mistake of turning such men down with the statement that you have troubles of your own.
[SPEAKER_03]: For every time you do that, you knock a stone out of the foundation of your house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your men are your foundation and your house of leadership will tumble about your ears unless it rests securely upon them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Finally, you will give of your own slender financial resources.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will frequently spend your own money to conserve the health and well-being of your men or to assist them while in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: Generally, you get your money back very frequently.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must charge it off to profit and loss.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even so, it is worth the cost.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Self-sacrifice, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of those things where everybody notices it and the one way you can diminish it is by chiming in and out about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I was saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if I say, dude, I had to stay here until midnight last night.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you already know, like you showed up to work in the morning and the things that had to get done that weren't done when you left and you know how much time they take and you show up and they're done.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know I at least stayed till 10 maybe 11 you might not know that man But I want that last little bit of credit for midnight Though the worst the best way to diminish the credit you want is to ask for the credit You want keep your freaking mouth shut and whether that's the physical like well I was actually carrying this much weight on that or whether it's the mental well You have no idea what it's like answering to the to the headquarters all day
[SPEAKER_03]: Or the time why I had to come in even earlier than you did no matter what the things that you want that little bit of credit for Don't ask for it Hide it freaking hide it if you can't you can't hide it though.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna know just have faith that they're gonna know and everything's gonna be okay
[SPEAKER_03]: the next one is paternalism.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I say that paternalism is essential leadership, I use the term in its better sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not now refer to that form of paternalism, which robes men of initiative, self-aligned and self-respect.
[SPEAKER_03]: I refer to the paternalism that manifests itself in a watchful care for the comfort and welfare of those in your charge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Soldiers are much like children.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, they're my army brethren.
[SPEAKER_03]: Soldiers are much like children, you must see that they have shelter, food, and clothing, the best that your utmost efforts can provide.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must see that they have food to eat before you think of your own, that they each have as good of a bed as you provide before you consider where you will sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must be far more delicious of their own comfort than your own.
[SPEAKER_03]: So listen to some of their own comfort than your own.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must look after their health.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must conserve their strength by not demanding need this exertion or useless labor.
[SPEAKER_03]: team comes first.
[SPEAKER_03]: And by doing all these things you are breathing life into what would be and otherwise, but otherwise be a mere machine.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are creating a soul in your organization that will make the mass respond to you as it, as though it were one man.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a spree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when your organization has a spree, you will wake up some morning and discover that the tables have been turned.
[SPEAKER_03]: That instead of your constantly looking out for them, they have without even hint from you, taken up the task of looking out for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: you will find that a detail is always there to see that your tent if you have one is properly pitched, that the most and cleanest bedding is brought to your tent, that from some mysterious source two eggs have been added to your supper when no one else has any, that an extra man is helping your men give your horse a super grooming, that your wishes are anticipated, that
[SPEAKER_03]: And you've heard me say, take care of your people and your people to take care of you and that's exactly what that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's exactly what that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: You take care of your people.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're absolutely going to take you to take care of you and they're going to do it with pride.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next, you cannot treat all men alike.
[SPEAKER_03]: a punishment that would be dismissed by one man with a shrug of the shoulders is mental anguish for another, a company commander who for a given offense has a standard punishment that applies to all is either to indelent or to stupid to study the personality of his man.
[SPEAKER_03]: In his case, justice is certainly blind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is I
[SPEAKER_03]: Oftentimes I would have guys that would do something stupid and I didn't need to do any punishment to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I literally didn't need to do anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were punishing themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they were horrified by what they had done.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what you got to be careful of, then other people that are like, well, man, he kind of got a slack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jockwood doesn't care about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you'd have to find how you talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that everyone understands that a grievous thing happened that it can't happen again, but at the same time to mutilate a guy's soul when he's already freaking feeling terrible himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like this idea of punishing somebody for almost revenge versus actual rehabilit like solving a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like if you can tell the guy is so beat up,
[SPEAKER_01]: Internally because of the shame and the embarrassed with the this and the anticipation of getting fired Like just going through something psychologically and you can tell it's it's kind of like okay Like we can kind of rest assured this guy learned his last thing kind of a thing But if you're like no, no, no, he needs some kind of like pain that I inflict on him
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like different.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like your own ego.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's a difference between doing it for the group and the system versus making it about yourself kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like group punishments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collective punishments.
[SPEAKER_03]: What they call it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It depends.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are times when it's necessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are also times when it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just depends on the situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Occasionally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes it elevates to collective punishment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Meaning like, okay, this guy got in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now this guy got in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: And hey, listen if one more guy gets in trouble you're all gonna pay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see what I'm saying like one guy forgets piece of gear cool You know that guy's gonna show up an hour early for the next two weeks Another guy forgets a piece of gear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That guy's thrown up by the way next time this happens everyone's showing up You see what I'm saying so sometimes like the group needs to police itself and if the group isn't policing itself Then I got a police the group.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, see what I'm saying
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because where our goal is at the group the gang police is itself is what the goal is the gang police is itself That's what generally happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why you know when I was up to him commander I was a task commander.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have to go and police the group when someone showed up late I didn't have to say a damn word.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was getting handled Someone forgets a piece of gear.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't need to go and do a gear inspection.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was getting handled so
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't really ever, usually things for me did not elevate to group punishment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did tell that story with my guys that almost showed up late and forgot a piece of gear and there was a little bit of a spotlight on us for what we were doing at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so unacceptable and that's why I escalated immediately to a threat of like group punishment, which was me running things Because when I'm running things, bro, as a whole it's it's it's all on you know You want to talk about showing up early, bro We're doing dry rehearsals for the rehearsals
[SPEAKER_03]: to rehearse, see what I'm saying, they did not, but look at that that was a great group of guys but I remember the acting leading petty officer at the time and it was a great dude who I always had a great time with and did a great job in combat but
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember it look at his face when I said, like, I'm gonna run this, you can see he was like, do we do not want this or we do not want this at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, hey, boss, boss, we got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got it won't happen again, won't happen again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And probably a week before this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had said, like, hey, let's get here tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know, six, 30.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, how about six, 45 or something like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I go, bro, you trying to squeeze 15 minutes of liberty out of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That group punishment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, at first, I always thought that, hey, I think this is like a abuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't do this because it causes like, um, secondary, like, problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I remember, okay, pop Warner football, um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we do, um, what was the name of your team?
[SPEAKER_01]: the collop and claw rams and then colorators when you move up to midgets it's puis and midget anyway so we do this drill where we're doing sprints but when you do sprints and football sometimes they want to condition you mentally as well so um you know the count right set down hot hot hot right this football so the first hot is one
[SPEAKER_01]: Second-hand is two.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes the count will be like on two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go on If you do a fall, it's a fall start if you don't go on the correct thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on two.
[SPEAKER_01]: You say set down-hut and someone jumps.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's jumping off sides or fall start, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's to train you with that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if the quarterback says, hey, in the huddle, hey, it's on three You guys got a focus, you know, because it's once you hear the first side It's almost automatically you go you see them say and so you can run into that issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you train it in practice
[SPEAKER_01]: but they train it in practice when we do the sprints for conditioning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of physically, you see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a lock in, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if someone keeps jumping off sides and every time someone jumped like of the whole team now, you got freaking however many 60 guys or whatever lined up across the whole field and we're all doing sprints.
[SPEAKER_01]: for conditioning and mental change.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, if one guy jump, I mean, anytime they see the one that's like, okay, the coach goes, okay, it's on three, everyone's already ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, bro, where someone's gonna jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of the whole team, no one's gonna jump, Brian possible, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're all like, fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if someone jumps, now we got a backup five yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now the sprint is five yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like sort of, you know, compound, so it's like, oh my gosh, it's very stressful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, if the same guy starts jumping off sides too much, like he does two, three in a row, people start getting mad, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it messes with the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now he can concentrate even like it's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a compounding thing for that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after a while, the coach is like, all right, but I reckon everybody do push-ups.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they got except for the guy who jumped off the side so you got to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone like hate so I remember thinking hey, that's I see what you're doing But now even when we're done with conditioning everyone hates that guy now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're less of a team Seems saying But when you think about it like one more step, it's kind of like no, no, no, you're
[SPEAKER_01]: Lack of focus, your shortcomings are affecting the whole team.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole team has to go five yards back, not just you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to lock in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of trains you and plus and everyone being mad at you is part of the punishment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But psychological and social.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like that's like in full metal jacket when he gets caught with the doughnut.
[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone else is doing push-ups and he's just eating the doughnut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Collective punishment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I dig it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear the time for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's what I think that's spot on how you're like, hey, if there's, if you're doing it through a very specific methodology escalation for, for a reason, yeah, it makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check.
[SPEAKER_03]: Back to the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Study your men as carefully as a surgeon studies a difficult case.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you are sure of your diagnosis apply the remedy and remember that you apply the remedy to effect a cure, not merely to see the victim's squirm.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you were talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: It may be necessary to cut deep, but when you are satisfied as to your diagnosis, don't be deverted from your purpose by any false sympathy for the patient.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hand in hand with fairness and awarding punishment, walks fairness and giving credit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody hates a human hog.
[SPEAKER_03]: When one of your men is accomplished and especially credible piece of work, see that he gets a proper reward.
[SPEAKER_03]: Turn, heaven and earth upside down to get it for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't try and take it away from him and hog it yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You may do this and get away with it, but you have lost the respect and loyalty of your men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sooner or later your brother officer will hear of it and shun you like a leper.
[SPEAKER_03]: In war there is enough glory for all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give the men under you his due.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's another kind of fairness.
[SPEAKER_03]: That which will prevent an officer from abusing the privileges of his rank.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you exact respect from soldiers be sure to treat them with equal respect, build up their manhood and self-respect, don't try to pull it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: For an officer to be overbearing and insulting in the treatment of enlisted men is an active coward.
[SPEAKER_03]: He ties the man to a tree with the ropes of discipline and then strikes him in the face knowing full well that the man cannot strike back.
[SPEAKER_03]: consideration, courtesy, and respect from officers toward enlisted men are not incompatible with discipline.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are parts of our discipline without initiative and decision, no man can expect to leave to lead.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what I mean, this is just obvious, and again, people think, oh, back in the old days, they were so hardcore, and there's not no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pre-World War I, this document is pre-US involvement in World War I, and he is saying do not insult, do not be overbearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Treat people with respect.
[SPEAKER_03]: In maneuvers, you will frequently see when an emergency arises a certain men, calmly give instant orders, which later on and else is proved to be, if not exactly the right thing, very nearly the right thing to have done.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will see other men in emergency become badly rattled.
[SPEAKER_03]: Their brains refuse to work, or they give a hasty order revoked, give another revoked that, ensure every indication of being in a blue funk.
[SPEAKER_03]: Regarding the first man, you say that man is a genius.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't had time to reason this thing out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He accidentally forget it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Genius is merely the capacity for taking infinite pains.
[SPEAKER_03]: The man who has already, the man who was ready is the man who prepared himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is studied beforehand the possible situations that might arise.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has made tentative plans covering such situations
[SPEAKER_03]: He must have sufficient mental alertness to appreciate the problem that confronts him, and the power of quick reasoning to determine what changes are necessary in his already formulated plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: He must also have the decision to order the execution and stick to his orders.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, again, he's saying, hey, someone's going to make a quick call, it's because they planned for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is good, that's good, and he's going to make it even more solid here.
[SPEAKER_03]: The situation is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Meet it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is better to do something and do it wrong than to hesitate, hunt around for the right thing to do, and wind up doing nothing at all, and having decided on a line of action, stick to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't vacillate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Men have no confidence in an officer who doesn't know his own mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Occasionally, you will be called upon to meet a situation of which no reasonable human being could anticipate.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have prepared yourself to meet other emergencies which you could anticipate, the mental training you have thereby gained will enable you to act promptly and with calmness and I'll go one step further than that, which is it's not just mental preparation.
[SPEAKER_03]: it's getting put in scenarios that are crazy and complicated and having to figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get better at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I got to see running the advanced seal training is you put a guy the first time you get to put into a chaotic situation, disaster.com, locks up, doesn't know what to do, freaks out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you, you know, you put them in another situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe obviously you tell them like, hey man, take a step back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, assess what's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get up to a little bit of high ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't try and figure everything out at once.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make a very small decision.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, try it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll do a little bit better than do a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And eventually they learn the protocol to get through these complex emergencies that happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not just mental training, it's like a physical thing that you have to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just like you can teach someone an R bar for three months with powerpoint.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first time they do an R bar, so won't be there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: continuing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must frequently act without orders from higher authority.
[SPEAKER_03]: Time will not permit you to wait for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here again enters the importance of studying the work of officers above you.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have a comprehensive grasp of the entire situation and conforming idea of the general plan of your superiors, that and your previous emergency training will enable you to determine that the responsibility is yours and to issue the necessary orders
[SPEAKER_03]: The element of personal dignity is important in military leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be the friend of your men, but do not become their intimate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your men should stand in awe of you, not fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I try to find if there was like an alternate meaning of awe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there is, you know, it doesn't quite mean, you know, this alternate meanings are like less profound.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like, oh, it's like, oh, yeah, like heavy levels of respect, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost forever, and it's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not quite reverence, but we're approaching.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I see what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're looking up to this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's close.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, but if you think people should respect you and see how you behave and respect your actions, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your men presume to become familiar, it's your fault not theirs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your actions have encouraged them to do so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And above all things, don't cheapen yourself by courting their friendship or curing their favor.
[SPEAKER_03]: They will despise you.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you are worthy of their loyalty and respect and devotion, they will surely give you all those things without asking, if not, nothing that you can do will win them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the classic case of trying to get everyone on the team to be your buddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you do that, you're not holding the line like you need to.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is exceedingly difficult for an officer to be dignified while wearing a dirty, spotted uniform at a three-day stubble of whiskers on his face, such a man lacks self-respect and self-respect is an essential of dignity.
[SPEAKER_03]: There may be occasions when your work entails dirty clothes at an unshaving face.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your men all look that way, at such time there's ample reason for your appearance.
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, it would be a mistake to look too clean.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would think that you were not doing your share, but as soon as this unusual occasion is passed, said an example for personal weakness.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would mention courage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moile courage you need as well as mental courage, that kind of moral courage, which enables you to adhere without faltering to a determined course of action, which your judgment has indicated is the best one suited to secure the desired results.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will find many times, especially an action, and he means combat action.
[SPEAKER_03]: That after having issued your orders to do a certain thing, you will be beset by misgivings and doubts.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will see, or think you see, other and better means for accomplishing the object sought.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will be strongly tempted to change your orders.
[SPEAKER_03]: don't do it until it is clearly manifested that your first orders were radically wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: For if you do, you will begin, you will again be worried by doubts as the efficacy of your second orders.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a little bit of beef with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: My beef with that is, you make a call.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says to wait until it is clearly manifested that your call was radically wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: To me, that's a little bit much, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to, I don't need to see clear manifestation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't need to see radically wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can see strong indications that this is a bad move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I do, you ever heard me say a plan your dive dive your plan?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there's a reason for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't only apply to diving.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of the time, like we plan, we brief, we rehearse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sticking to that is a smart move.
[SPEAKER_03]: And thinking that you're going to make some quick adjustment,
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't go well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Plan your dive, dive your plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you're diving your plan and it's not, you can see that it is clearly wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe not radically.
[SPEAKER_03]: What does it radically look?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not radical disaster, radically wrong, but you start going, oh yeah, this is not effective.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to wait until it's clear crystal clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, this is not going well.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what you can do, this doesn't mean you need to write.
[SPEAKER_03]: This means you stop and do something totally different.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you can, you can make some start making some small adjustments to mitigate your bad call.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time you change orders without obvious reason you weaken your authority and impair the confidence of your men have the moral Courage to stand by your order and see it through again.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're telling someone to do something as not working You should have the humility to be like, oh, this is a bad call stop what you're doing come back over here
[SPEAKER_03]: moral courage further demands that you assume the responsibility for your own acts.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be a good idea for a book, wouldn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Assuming responsibility for your own acts.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your subordinates have loyalty, have loyalty carried out your orders, and the movement you directed is a failure.
[SPEAKER_03]: The failure is yours, not theirs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yours would have been the honor had it been successful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take the blame if it results in disaster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't try and shift it to a subordinate and make him the goat.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a cowardly act.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go, when you make a mistake, you need to take ownership of your mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say goat, let me escape, goat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he means scape goat, not goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, it's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Clarity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Furthermore, you will need moral courage to determine the fate of those under you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will frequently be called upon for recommendations for promotion or demotion of officers and non-commissioned officers in your immediate command.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep clearly in mind your personal integrity and the duty you owe your country do not let yourself be deflected from a strict sense of justice by feelings of personal friendship.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your own brother is your second lieutenant and you find him unfit to hold his commission eliminate him, if you don't, your lack of moral courage may result in a loss of valuable lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: So moral courage, I mean, I actually recently been hearing that a lot, that expression, moral courage.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is just a, just a, just in the experience of understanding, that's what, during doing the right thing, even when it's uncomfortable, getting full in the shirt, and doing the right thing, even though there's a heavy price to pay, and it's not a physical price.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, courage, physical courage is like, I'm going to do this thing, and I could die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I will get hurt or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's huge sacrifice that I might have to make to make the second thing happen moral courage is like, oh, I might get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might, you know, have to answer to the man, you know, there's I might get canceled from this thing that I'm supposed to be doing all those things would be moral courage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's correct me for us so and but it has to be based on doing quote unquote the right thing Yes, right right because regular even like it doesn't have to be physical courage if it's correct like um, I don't know freaking Having like courage like a hard talk with somebody or something like that that's not necessarily moral courage That's just like hey sack up, you know, or if you're going to ask for a raise, you know, all this stuff that encourages like a whistleblower
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's standing up for somebody like a bully or something like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's moral courage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now if the bully's gonna kick your ass It's both it's a little bit both, but I'm sorry
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I was good about to talk about moral injury, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is when things happened where, you know, I've really first started hearing this from General Muka Yamaha, you know, he's, he's very involved with the moral courage thing or sorry, the moral injury thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is when something happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: that you witnessed, you participated in, and it was, you did the wrong thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now you have a moral wound because you feel like you did the wrong thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you feel like you should have stood up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you felt like you didn't take the action you should have taken from them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't that it didn't have anything to do with physical courage.
[SPEAKER_03]: like oh i'm a coward because i didn't do this thing i'm a physical coward but oh this thing happened and i didn't report it or i didn't stop it from happening where i should of and you know if if you know in Vietnam you know the mili masquer right
[SPEAKER_03]: if someone was there and they didn't participate in it but they didn't like tell people to stop they might have a moral injury because now they feel the guilt of not doing the right thing they didn't they know they didn't have the moral courage to stop it
[SPEAKER_03]: continuing on if on the other hand you are called upon for recommendation concerning a man whom for personal reasons you thoroughly dislike do not fail to do him full justice remember that aim is the general good not the satisfaction of an individual grudge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm taking for granted that you will have physical courage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need not tell you how necessary that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Courage is more than bravery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bravery is fearlessness.
[SPEAKER_03]: The absence of fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: The nearest, the nearest, the nearest, adult may be brave because he lacks the mental, the mentality to appreciate his danger.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know enough to be afraid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Courage, you know what I'm saying about my fearlessness in Africa.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Laf and I were in Africa and we were working with the company down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And after we worked with the company, we went on, we went to like a park.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the park's down there is where the elephants, the rhinoceros, the lions, tigers, like like straight-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So far, it's a far apart, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
[SPEAKER_03]: So we go to this safari park and it's a long drive we're in Johannesburg and we drive and you know I'm in the vehicle we're talking because we're with the guy great dude and we're all talking and carrying on and it's like a three four something hour drive and
[SPEAKER_03]: At some point we're driving and there was like this beautiful sunset and I go oh Dude, let me like get a picture of the sunset.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like looking out over the planes, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like hey, and I tell the guy that's driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like hey You know, we stopped the car so I get a picture of the sunset and he's like, yeah So we pot he starts to stop the car and I just like get out of the car and I kind of you know I don't want to take it through the window or whatever so I get out of the car and I kind of like line up and
[SPEAKER_03]: Get a couple shots, you know, walk around a little bit, check it out get a good angle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get back in the car, and you know, we start driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it turns out that during our conversation, I had missed the fact that we had entered this this park, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he, you know, he just thought
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, Jack would just, you know, he just held his deal with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's, like he just, I guess he'll take on whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's lying, you know, hyena, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's ready for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Jack will like, because, but what I, but I saw when we left, you go through like a gate.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like do not get out of your car.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're entering the safari zone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are, you know, there's all these dangerous animals They will kill you We literally drove by a sign that said that So I just roll it got out of my car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, you know, the whatever taking some pictures and it wasn't until like Like late.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess later on that night.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just kind of just got out of the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, whoa Well, what do you mean they're like a this is an open because it's weird in Africa
[SPEAKER_03]: All the animals are in these game reserves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's no, there's no, like a lion that's just walking around in the clear, in the public, because I'll kill people, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's all, you think you think it's that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like in America, like there's a moose walking out through like a town, like you see that, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You see, you see, grizzly bear walking like digging through garbage, like that's the way it is in America, but in Africa, it's not like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Partially because these are like like not that I'm I don't even what's in a mortfarote as a gris or a damn lion Or but but they keep them all like cooped up, you know Not cooped up because because the land reserves are huge yeah like they're It'd be like if we put a fence around our public lands, you know if we if we put a fence around Reakin Yellowstone and we're like hey
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they can't get out and you can't go in and win even but what the crazy thing is It was like Jurassic Park like once we got to our little Cabins where we stayed there's a electric Asphense like they're it it's like Jurassic Park you know and I didn't realize I was just in the clear just walking around
[SPEAKER_03]: So to put it the way he put it, I was a adult, a mere adult, because I lacked the freaking mentality to appreciate the danger at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think life was kind of like, no, it's not so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And actually, his wife, Jenna, was with us too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like, hey, chocolate just goes hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, hey, let's go.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just dumb.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not courageous, just too stupid to know any better.
[SPEAKER_03]: But luckily nothing happened and then it like a five minutes later we see rhinos like for real And boy those rhinos do they look they look like they were gonna they look like if they wanted to do you don't say that chance bro I I made I contact with it
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in like a man rover and I make eye contact with this thing and I was like this thing Can completely kill not just me and not if I get out like I felt like you've it if it got fired up You don't matter you're in a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much they weigh But there's big as a car and they got a freaking giant ass horn
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that thing to kill you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he didn't look happy bro.
[SPEAKER_03]: He looked pissed.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a weird thing because most of the time when I make eye contact with something I'm kind of sizing up and I kind of feel pretty good about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No
[SPEAKER_03]: No, did not feel good about that but it was bad ass work like not Jurassic Park We got in the camp thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like straight-up Activities going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know, hey if you ever seen a giraffe Do you know what a giraffe's primary weapon is?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know they defend itself on how they like fight and kill and all that stuff
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but if I were to guess, oh, let's say the the feet and the legs bro, they use their head and they swing their head on that long ass neck and like hit shit like a wrecking ball yeah like a wrecking ball and then I went with Jason Gardner we went to a damn uh special
[SPEAKER_03]: the zoo in Nebraska and we got to feed like rhinos and stuff, but that that them damn you wouldn't want to get hit in the head with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, a lot of these, I mean, yeah, a lot of these animals, like, you see my TV and you're like, yeah, cool, that's freaking crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you see me in a real life, you're like, brother, this thing is way bigger than I thought, like way bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And wider, like, uh, yeah, and they have
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a different strength in humans, you know what I'm saying like when you wrestle When you wrestle like any animal it just feels stronger than a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like even my little dog is like pretty impressively scrappy Yeah, yeah, you know it's size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah pump for pound like animals are just like kind of stronger than what that Hey, um, whatever happened to the picture The picture the picture the picture the sunset
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I probably have to go look for.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you still have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sure I have it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know luckily I'm alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no slave was about to build me getting just brutalized.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually was funny that that was a good one too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a damn elephant.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were in a you know land rover and an elephant like
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to exaggerate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Elephant came close to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And like real close.
[SPEAKER_03]: And bro, if that thing wanted to kill you, you don't, you don't stand a chance, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if that thing, if that thing just had one fake out, which the fake out would be, I'm gonna walk close to this land rover.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I get close to them, I'm gonna knock it over and kill everyone inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, some of us would be able to run away, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and can't get everybody, if they're scattering.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think they'll be able to get everyone with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just one, but, but I video that too, it was pretty, it was pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: The weird thing about elephants when they're moving, they're so big, they look like they're moving in slow motion, they're huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and I'll hold a little back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll think I lose from I remember that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah Yeah, you don't want to mess around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I'm scared of elephants I just didn't completely because I was in Thailand and I went to like an elephant Park and it's not cool like the elephants are not happy They're chained up and they probably get beaten
[SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't know that going into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went into it like oh cool elephants right and I was feeding the elephants They give you like you can buy bananas right so I buy some bananas gonna feed the elephants and these are not big giant elephants These are like kind of smaller type elephants and I start feeding the elephants and they start getting a grip like they're they want They want what I got
[SPEAKER_03]: And finally, I was kind of running low and I was close to this elephant.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, elephants, their head is sort of vertical, like their head is vertical, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was standing right in front of its head and it it bucked and it threw me through the air.
[SPEAKER_03]: It threw me through the air.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no, I had nothing for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did nothing for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, so it assaulted you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I created it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I want to leave here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's why I don't, I don't mess with elephants.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a thousand percent with you and I feel like just with like pretty young while when they got after it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that was nothing on aluminum.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I only was on holiday for like five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I jammed up a guy too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have killed him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I forget.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's video of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard this and I have to read.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I don't know if this is, I've heard this for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if it was just some internet rumor because this is pretty internet rumor for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: but I heard that in Africa, if like an elephant kills a person, they have to kill all those elephants because it just learned like they all just learned like oh we don't need to take shit on these little ant things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard that I've heard that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the uh yeah I brought a mess with any wild animals at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like you know like we get into this almost like collective complacency kind of like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like pets at the zoo like a petting zoo.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and they forget that like no brother freaking DRAF like just like how you said like they look kind of cute and pretty or whatever you know in a big Soccer is in America is Moose because because you know moose they kind of look a little bit dopey and friendly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're kind of like they're the meanest of those type of animals
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean, not as mean as a gris, but like they're they will kill you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a moose will It will run roughshot all the head But mooses is one of those animals that I was surprising how huge those are yeah, they're like a moose and I've never seen a polar bear but
[SPEAKER_01]: There was like this video saying, oh, five animals that are way bigger in real life for something and it showed a polar bear next to like a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow, that's like AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you go look it up at the numbers and you're probably that thing is freaking like, it's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a monstrously huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Polar bears are like the the most.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're going out, bro, like if I'm going out, I'll take that polar bear like just let's go in the glory.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that thing's just gonna.
[SPEAKER_03]: That thing, you know when you imagine a, imagine a cherry, you know when you eat a cherry?
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine a cherry when you take up, when you take a whole cherry and you bite it, that's what your head is to a polar bear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I spent a little mess at the animals, yeah, I was kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was hunting with Dudley and We were we were going after a elk and then there was a Mountain lion that was going after it and we kind of were behind it was like bro if that thing wanted to get you Yeah, you wouldn't know I'm just grabby by the head and just them big ass claws
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even small mountain lions are, can like, jammy up pretty hardcore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, although there was one article about a guy like beating up a mountain line and it was kind of in the headline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they showed a picture of it was like, there's like a large cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was like a large house cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like a large house cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: That thing will jack you up to all kinds of scrapes towards your eyes and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, so the, and I weren't, you know, when I came in by my house, it's like trails.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's where I can get my road work from time to time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every day, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the, there's not mountain lions, but they're those, like a bobcat, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw one, and they were like, pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't scared of that thing, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, bro, I would kill that thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if it came down to it, I would win.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just like how you said, you know, like a house cat when they get real aggressive and scratch you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna suck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cat, like, wanted, like, if it caught a vein or something, oh, you could die for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they're not impressive like I see on like, I don't know, movies or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then the mountain line thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the weird thing is you've heard rogue and would rogue and talks about like chimpanzees.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they go for your eyes and your your testicles and stuff like out of the gate.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's two in your face off.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if a cat knows that, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: That gives a cat like, oh, I'm going for eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because then you're screwed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they kind of have this kind of thing to them where they got things figured out a little bit more than like a random dog, just the vibe at me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like dogs dogs will bite your arm or your leg.
[SPEAKER_03]: And kind of that's partially because that's how they were trained, but also they're just like when you watch a dog fight another dog, they're going for the back legs they incapacitate it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, no, I need another side.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if it knew, but also a dog doesn't have the dexterity to go after your eyes like a cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how one slash at the eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're you're in trouble and not to mention could grab onto your face with one Like with three paws and just get at the eyes with the other one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they have the ability to do that though.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know me
[SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty freaking agile.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even like a dog dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know the ability.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know they have their physical ability.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do they have the cognitive capacity to recognize that that would be a real game teacher?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a real game changer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nevermind.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like trying to bite your eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet we would know if they did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Rogan seems to know with confidence by the way that the chips are in the game in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good chips, but maybe that's because they're similar to us and they know how to win a fight against them each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they would just get in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dogs are kind of dumb comparative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not dumb, but they feel kind of dumb comparatively speaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but there's a whole spectrum of dogs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some dogs are, they're so smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you were like all like I'll taunt my dog and thankfully she knows that the like I'm playing but you know it's trying to bite you It's like it's trumpy that every little thing even like faints, you know like she's like reacting to faints But cats it feels like they kind of know what a fainter is
[SPEAKER_03]: But the weird thing is, you ever seen when you ever see people throw cheese at a cat and a dog, like randomly throw a piece of cheese at a dog and it just like immediately bite to eat it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a cat, it like, like, co-discabob, you might say, they fall over and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm interested in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, man, that's why I don't mess around, but it's unpredictable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: The end of the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is the end is
[SPEAKER_03]: Courage, however, is that firmness of spirit that moral backbone, while fully appreciating the danger involved, never the less goes on with the undertaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if I were to know what was outside of that vehicle, I wouldn't have gotten out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bravery's physical courage is mental and moral.
[SPEAKER_03]: You may be cold all over your hands may tremble, your legs may quake, your knees may be ready to give way.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: If nevertheless you go forward, if, in spite of this physical defection, you continue to lead your men against the enemy, you have courage.
[SPEAKER_03]: The physical manifestations of fear will pass away.
[SPEAKER_03]: You may never experience them, but once.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are the buck fever of the hunter who tries to shoot his first deer.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must not give way to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: A number of years ago, while taking a demolition course, the class of which I was a member was handling dynamite.
[SPEAKER_03]: The instructor said regarding its manipulation, I must caution you gentlemen to be careful in the use of these explosions, explosives.
[SPEAKER_03]: One man has, but one accident.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I would caution you, if you give way to fear, that will doubtless be set you in your first action, if you show the white feather, if you let your men go forward while you hunt a shell crater, you will never again have the opportunity of leading those men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Use your judgment and calling on your men for displays of physical courage or bravery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't ask any man to go where you would not go with yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your common sense tells you that the place is too dangerous for you to venture into, then it is too dangerous for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know his life is as valuable to him as yours is to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Occasionally, some of your men might be exposed to danger, which you cannot share.
[SPEAKER_03]: A message must be taken across a fire-swept zone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You call for volunteers.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your men know you and know that you are right, you will never lack volunteers for they will know your heart is in your work that you are giving your country the best you have, that you would willingly carry the message yourself if you could.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your example and enthusiasm will have inspired them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And lastly, if you inspire to leadership, I would urge you to study men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get under their skins and find out what is inside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some men are quite different from what they appear to be on the surface, determine the workings of their mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: much of general Robert E. Lee's success as a leader may be ascribed to his ability as a psychologist.
[SPEAKER_03]: He knew most of his opponents from West Point days knew the workings of their minds, and he believed that they would do certain things under certain circumstances.
[SPEAKER_03]: In nearly every case, he was able to anticipate their movements and block the execution.
[SPEAKER_03]: You cannot know you're opponent in this war the same way, but you can know your own men.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can study each to determine where in lies his strength and his weakness, which men can be relied upon to the last gasp and which cannot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he closes it out with something that has been adopted by the military, by the army.
[SPEAKER_03]: Know your men, know your business, know yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what we got, you know, your men, that know your business, know yourself, such a, such a great document.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so much is so applicable today because it's all based on human nature.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the day, we as humans are nature doesn't really change.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Colonel Christian Albert Bach died in 1944.
[SPEAKER_03]: But left us these lessons, we can still apply today.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, of course, you also mentioned physical vitality, yeah, hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, sometimes people think that they can just rise to the occasion, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's actually not freaking true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might be able to do it a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can do it for, you know, maybe do it for 30, 40 meters then then you just got to start going uphill What happens?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks clever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what's the layers?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The layers are JP Denel putting tape on his helmet that says JP, because you asked him to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I was like, hey, put JP on your helmet, big letters because I wanted to speedle to see you on the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, so you can handle shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you told that story I was like, okay, that's a cool story actually JP to the story So I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty legit and then when I saw the actual picture Yeah, of JP's help it has that helmet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I figured Sharpie or something like this I'm like cool and just you know never give a second thought by the one I saw the actual it was like with his black tape It's like tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good look right there
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a video called JP getting after it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a reason why I was like JP put JP on your helmet, so I can see you because I might need you to get after it in a certain way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly right, for a certain time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JP the freaking get after it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks to all the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines deployed right now, in harm's way around the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: protecting us and our freedom.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are grateful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone else out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got some lessons today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep your emotions in check.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have self-control and have physical
[SPEAKER_03]: Make light of your troubles, belittle your trials.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, assume responsibility for your own actions.
[SPEAKER_03]: The people that you lead, they ask nothing more than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So go get after it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's all we've got for tonight.
[SPEAKER_03]: And until next time, Zekko and Joko.