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[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna catch up with Peter Coppalli and Kush Jumbo to talk about the second season of criminal record on Apple TV plus of course Peter you know as a 12th doctor and doctor who from the thick of it the devil's hour twice upon a time Kush Jumbo she's starting stay close the the good fight dead water fell the beast must die the good wife
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... and uh... and uh... season two of this apple tv series let's read about this criminal record the powerful character driven drama set in the heart of contemporary london exploring the impossibility of policing when the truth is up for grabs uh... in season two on a young man is stabbed to death at a political rally rival police officers june linker and denial haggardy played by our stars peter capaldi and uh... push jumbo are forced into an uneasy alliance
[SPEAKER_04]: But what starts as a hunt for a murder escalates into an undercover operation to foil a far right bomb plot in the heart of London.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be talking all about getting into this second season, what it's revisiting these characters and taking on these really big topics that
[SPEAKER_04]: It seemed to be very, very relevant at this specific time all around the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's get into it as we talk about season two of Criminal Record on Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Kyle Meredith with Peter Capaldi and Chris Jumbo.
[SPEAKER_05]: Kyle?
[SPEAKER_05]: Hi, Kyle.
[SPEAKER_05]: How are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's great to see you both and great to see this, this feel good buddy cop that you guys have going on back at action with season two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Peter, Peter what you know it's been a few years.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was it like to reconnect with this guy?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's quite a complicated character, but luckily, we don't really know what's going on with him a lot of the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the job is to sort of hide.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's quite a challenge for me, because I don't really have a poker face.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you know, you'd generally make my character somewhat out of the head of my eye, but I just want my work from the end.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, to have to sit on all my physical texts is quite challenging, but, um, it's good, it's great to do it, great, great fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kush, uh, we're telling big stories again.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're tackling big issues again here, um, terrorism, uh, the far right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I throw up on my mouth at any time I say Manisfier, but, uh, I do too, I hate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But, but, but, but what, like, what is the bigger story that you guys are, are taking on this season?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think the one of the beauties of this show is that we, I mean, but the other thing is that, sorry, I'm jumping around.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the first thing about this show is that I love the human, the human aspect of June and herkity and every other character that gets written in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know that they're approaching a big human story when they go to work that day or what's going to happen next, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we try to play them that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also think it is amazing how something that Paul has written, you know, 18 months ago could be coming out now when all of the stuff is being reflected around us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really on the pulse of the zeitgeist of what's going on which is mental.
[SPEAKER_02]: I
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to see that June on the one hand is more bullsey and resilient because of having risen up the ranks, but the more she rises up, the more the veil has been lifted on what's on the inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, how much can you really get done with that compromising your values?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but her moral compass is so annoyingly hardcore.
[SPEAKER_02]: it could just consistently comes back to viter in the arse, it's like, you know, so I've enjoyed investigating that.
[SPEAKER_02]: She knows so much more and yet she knows nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, watching you all play with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Peter, I mean, you're executive producers, you know, what we're talking about this story, like how involved are you all and how important is it for you all to know where the story goes, where it ends?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think, obviously we have to, well, we have to know a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was about to say we have to know exactly where it goes.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing, the executive producer bit, but I think the actor, to me, I don't really have to know where it goes because the characters don't know where it's going.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's what I always think.
[SPEAKER_05]: That doesn't answer your question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to know the bullet points of where it's going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to know the ins and outs, but I like to know the peaks and the troughs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love getting to read with some of our co-stars, like I love getting to read with actors that are auditioning to come on to the show and seeing what that chemistry's like and seeing how they would feel and whether they are going to work in the same genre of action.
[SPEAKER_02]: acting that Peter and I enjoy doing, which essentially is like show up and do really good work, can be happy to be here, which I think is very, very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, part of it is even if we have it all on paper, by virtue of the fact that we don't even rehearse a lot of our scenes together, we really never know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you feel like, you know, the story, but until you're standing there, it honestly sometimes is like, where did that come from?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've found for such a long time that I often feel like we're
[SPEAKER_02]: Great, actually, because like you said, it's a big surprise.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love seeing what you all do with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The opening scene with the riots is, and what a crazy way to start by the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, and...
[SPEAKER_05]: There's so much that I was shot out to our director, Ben, it was that I know all the production team.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because this show does not have a huge amount of money.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, so the way they make it look, and the things they make happen, is really amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're doing a lot with a little bit, that isn't impressive.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so great to talk with you all again.
[SPEAKER_04]: I look forward to so many more times with this series, so thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very much.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll be right back right after this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Kyle Meredith.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now let's revisit season one back in 2024 when I was talking with Peter Capaldi and Tom Mochi who started in that season all about the beginnings of the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, Peter went on to talk to us about his fondness for crime dramas and how the series highlighted misogyny and racism and what it's like to play unlikable characters.
[SPEAKER_04]: who represents a London quickly becoming out of step with the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: So part two here is we're talking criminal record.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Kyle Meredith with Peter Capaldi and Tom Moochie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hi, dear.
[SPEAKER_04]: What an outstanding series that I've just had a pleasure of watching with was criminal record.
[SPEAKER_04]: And both of you guys were incredible, by the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we'd start with just kind of the big question.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we're telling an important story here.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're telling an important story here, which tells many,
[SPEAKER_04]: different parts of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: What drew you both to wanting to tell this and what was the story you wanted to tell?
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll start with your Peter.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm first full.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm always like crime drivers anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the idea of doing a crime drama that also highlighted issues for misogyny and racism, I think, was, I felt that that was a good thing to be doing because I feel that, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: really about a time where there isn't enough examination and any detail of a lot of the issues or surroundings.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so to do, I show that satisfied the appetite that an audience might have for a crime drama with, you know, bodies and chases and guns, but at the same time, ask them to reflect on the complexities of how individuals who work in the police force may
[SPEAKER_05]: may have come to be the way they are, what's useful?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, for you, Tom, because, again, you know, being sort of in the jail most of the time, and we hear about the institutional failure, like that seems to be the part that you get to kind of represent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, for me, being,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know as a glove is human experience and here in these stories and you know you feel quite helpless and to get a script like this where you feel like you kind of aid towards the
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the change in the people's minds for a show like this coming out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You feel like you're doing a part, so I feel like it's very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when it's real came in.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll, I mean, you know, the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say, you know, playing that character.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll, uh, to, to have been like pent up.
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, it like it seems like this guy has got so much inside of him confusion.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not a bad guy, but he's not a saint in any sort of way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what was it like laying this character?
[SPEAKER_00]: When you when I'm in the moment and you're playing the character like, it almost felt like you just want to black it all out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, even me being a young black man, this situation is in life when, you know, at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to say something, you don't know how?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was ever giving you the space with the framework or the language to be able to articulate yourself in that way, and it seems like so much has been powered on top of this character that, you know, the minute he begins to unveil everything, it's kind of crashing all onto him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just who's it all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it felt like a, I felt constipated.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I was looking for.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Kyle Meredith with Peter Capaldi and Tom mochi to discuss Apple TV's criminal record for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: This got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: This cop.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, we get sent the emotions all throughout this.
[SPEAKER_04]: We like him to be not like him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not quite the likeable character.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, there's a lot of templates for for cops.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been cops in the on TV as there's been probably love songs written throughout the decade.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you had said, this is the type of character that you wanted to play.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
[SPEAKER_04]: What was it about him?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, first of all, in habit, one of those classic characters, if you like it, I mean, it's almost a kind of no Irish kind of quality about the he could have been in a movie in the 40s or the 50s.
[SPEAKER_05]: All the 60s or the 70s, you know, there's always a cop who's been running the block and had enough and is a bit scarred.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, but I think he particularly has ghosts who halt him, I don't think he's, I don't think he's completely, I don't think he's finished, I don't think his, his personality has, has ended growing and that was one of the things that affects me about him because the events of his past and of the show are still having effect and also he's veiled.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I haven't really played something like that before, who hides so much.
[SPEAKER_05]: Usually the characters I've played have been soft-quite out there on that, and they speak the way they feel, and they feel things out, and they show to people, although I'm used, or whatever, and you quite beg, he was kind of withdrawn and didn't like to reveal what was really going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was quite challenging to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_04]: to be the, again, I use the word representation of the older generation in this between the two detectives and to hear about, especially if I read about, you know, the show and the press release everything like divided London.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like did you feel that you were the representation of something?
[SPEAKER_04]: older in the past?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I can't help doing that because that's who I am.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I was born on the 50s.
[SPEAKER_05]: What am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe anything else.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I couldn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, true.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our whole other world.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's like, so the world it is now is new.
[SPEAKER_05]: And different but I've spent in the majority of my life as that character has trying to move through a world that
[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's more to him than perhaps some of his colleagues who fallen into traps.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I sort of always felt about him that he was, I felt he was as old as London.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm one of the things that I like, I sort of odd to say, but,
[SPEAKER_05]: one of the things we wanted to do with the show was to do a show that showed how diverse and how charming London is as a city.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a London that we know, you know, no, I kind of touristy London, but a London that we see every day, which is vibrant and exciting, but also a little bit dark and a bit dangerous.
[SPEAKER_05]: But with a deep deep history, I think that's what he
[SPEAKER_05]: He understands London.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a part of it because he spent his professional life dealing with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Both of you being musicians, two-part question here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd love to know what's the next other music for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: But also like, do you find it, that stuff like influences how you, how you do you're acting?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he's the, he's a proper signed up and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just a guy who likes to play around.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the person who wanted to get signed.
[SPEAKER_00]: To any label, publishing, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: that they would do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess he just said he was more than the 50s.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really there was a different method of how that worked out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've got to think of a scaffold slash rock ability that I'm wanted to just to see how that goes.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm just, I, you know, I just do that for fun and I don't want the obligations of being a professional musician.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just enjoy playing around.
[SPEAKER_05]: But that music does play a big part in my preparation and I, to me, it's all about trying to get in the zone and I don't quite know what the right route for that is, but sometimes I'll play some tracks.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's trying to get me there filming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: The music takes me out of there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm off the set, I need to get back to my day routine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what music helps me do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been out of music for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few months, but I think January, I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had some really, really, some song every quarter.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's what I'm trying to do next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope we get to talk about that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so both so much for taking the time to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a real pleasure.
[SPEAKER_04]: I so enjoyed this series.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of here to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: My thanks to Peter Capaldi Tom Mucci
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