[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground Podcast number 211, sitting here with Echo Charles, and we have got some questions from the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into it, course of action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least find yourself out of the maze that life can become sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like life can be tricky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Doc.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a light-hearted question for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask if you guys would ever compete professionally in jujitsu or fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was recently at a hockey game, and as I used to play hockey, I realized how bad I missed playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wondered if you felt that way about fighting, although I know you do jujitsu all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you ever fight someone in the octagon at your current state in the level?
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess, I guess, I don't know, the main thing here is time because if you're going to go get into a compete in GJ2 or not, wouldn't compete MMA because the MMA is the MMA has evolved to a point where guys are just freaking so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is weird, because in the early UFC's,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we could watch those or I could watch those early UFC's and know that like, oh, I could hang with that guy and we, and actually we did, you know, we trained with a lot of those guys back in the day and so you'd know like, oh, there's like, we're, we're in the same zone, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but nowadays like these guys are just ridiculously better, um, most of them so MMA is not is kind of out of the question right now, but uh, but then you get to you know, of course I'm around just to all the time and
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, you have to train Jiu Jitsu a lot to be ready for a competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And competition is no joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I generally have a hard time stringing together enough training for a long enough period of time where I'd be like up to speed type thing, so that's kind of why.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing, but also like, I competed a lot when I was younger and
[SPEAKER_00]: I basically stopped competing once the war started.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I started training in Gigietsu in like 19, well, the initial training was in the early like 1992, 1993 started, learned the basics of Gigietsu, started actually training in like 1990, late 1995.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then it was competing as soon as there was an alternative, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then did a bunch, did a competitive bunch in those years, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001, the war started.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I competed a few more times when I was in college, but then it was like, I just didn't want to get hurt and not be able to do my job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which when you compete your chance of getting hurt go up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another reason And you know, I just I just get I just enjoy a training a lot and I get the gratification
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... filled from training jiu-jitsu and training with a bunch of great guys and everyone's cool training partners you know everyone's good these you know our team with like guys that are really really good guys that are world like actual world class guys and i get to train with them and everyone's cool you know and no one's trying to hurt each other there's no ego like it's just it's just fun it's good
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you uh I've always felt after about like let's say 40 years old
[SPEAKER_01]: actually like once you kind of get into like a career that's steady and like you start a family and you know it's the competition like feeling like oh I want to compete in this and that like for real and commit to a competition seems to shuffle down the priority list pretty quick that's how it happened for me and yeah well you know your your family becomes a priority more than like some whether whatever whatever the competitive thing you might do yeah that can happen for sure
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like that has happened because I'll feel that a lot of the times like when I When I watch like freaking coach ran in USC freaking BJ gym like yeah, yeah, I would do a super fight against somebody You know like somebody you know about my age and way to whatever challenge
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally the moment I stop getting inspired by the TV that I'm watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, bro I'm so glad I don't have to mentally prepare you because really it's mentally and do it and yeah, if you if you have Which is gonna be harder for you, but if you have the schedule that you can train and stuff
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, but then there's the mental pull to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I don't know when I was gonna be I competed for six years and just like straight Competing communion community.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was all like that's all I would really think about This is like the competition coming up and I'm not even saying like stress about I'm just saying But you just think about it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I like kind of a lot of the decisions you make like you can't Go drink and do all this stuff or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that's kind of It mentally you exist kind of there a little bit you know a lot or a lot more
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not in the mood for that part of it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's kind of cool is, um, I was talking to Coach Ranna.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, the horrible feeling of, why did I sign up for this?
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did I volunteer for this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really need to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could say I spring my ankle walking over here and not have to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, this is the only way I can get that feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the only way you can get that, like I've got to overcome all these little mental things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like the only way I can get it is to compete.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only one because, you know, we go out, you know, it's just like I was just saying, like I'll go out and train when we get, I'm going to train in about an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying with, you know, when you get out there, we're going to, you know, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Slap bump and roll, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to do that with a bunch of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get tapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tap some people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It won't really matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have some draws.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, it's no one's watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one cares.
[SPEAKER_00]: No egos or her.
[SPEAKER_00]: My ego doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: There ego doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but then when you take that out onto the stage, you know, in your competing and then all of a sudden it's a win or lose all these people are watching you, it's accepting the feet being dominated, it's being beaten despite all your investment and all your training you've lost and losing in in grappling or in fighting of any kind is very, very tribal and primal and personal because it's like, hey, if you beat me in basketball
[SPEAKER_00]: Guess what if you beat me in basketball I will still like push you and let's fight You know what I mean they're still there still that if you beat me in hockey I'll be like okay cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's fight if you beat me in a sprinting race guess what I say You go hey you're slow jockel you suck and you know what I say I'll beat your ass right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We fight that's what we're doing but when you just fall
[SPEAKER_00]: And you lost the fight, there's nothing else to say, and even you don't even see like occasionally you see it occasionally you'll see like a grappling scenario where the grappling outcome of a grappling match will escalate into a fight, but you don't see it very often because everybody kind of knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I if I just beat you in a grappling match,
[SPEAKER_00]: I would beat you in an MMA match, a lot of times, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone kind of accepts that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to get that feeling of like, bro, why did I even, what decisions have I made in my life right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: And can I undo them to get out of this scenario that they're going into?
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's kind of funny to think about because anytime you're gonna go do something,
[SPEAKER_00]: If it brings you to the point where you're like damn I wish I would have made a bunch of different decisions So I didn't have to be right now, but that's a random chase him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like that That feeling of like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do I absolutely do not want to do this right now and I'm gonna do it
[SPEAKER_00]: She likes that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you know, she hates it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She hates it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she loves it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like she's she says she told me the 19 things that she hated about it And then she goes that's why I have to do it right to get that feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all packaged up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like it's you know, it's just like anything I guess like working out like the only way to get that feeling after work out is to do the workout.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that workout's gonna suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: you're like, oh, this is going to suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I didn't have to do it, but the only way to get that good feeling is I can think of.
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