WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:01.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what are you doing? 00:02.194 --> 00:03.336 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you what you're doing. 00:03.616 --> 00:05.379 [SPEAKER_00]: You're less than until the Elder Scrolls. 00:06.000 --> 00:07.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Doorcasts! 00:07.542 --> 00:08.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Either you are. 00:08.304 --> 00:11.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Or not to be skipped and broke with your entrails. 00:12.870 --> 00:13.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Hata. 00:15.214 --> 00:17.317 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Elder Scrolls' Lordcast. 00:18.699 --> 00:22.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Your source for lore, and so much more. 00:24.280 --> 00:27.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Adventures welcome back to the Elder Scrolls lorecast. 00:27.263 --> 00:36.955 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got me Tom and Lotus like usual and we are digging further into that iceberg this week Just like we've been doing with the iceberg digging down into it. 00:37.235 --> 00:41.500 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay We've been standing trying to swim down alongside it now, man. 00:41.540 --> 00:46.626 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been standing on top of it And we've been like mining down into the core of the iceberg just like 00:46.606 --> 00:50.091 [SPEAKER_01]: chip in a way, chip in a way, piece by piece, and we've got some more pieces this week. 00:50.472 --> 01:00.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, the last week, things got a little spicy with some, I don't know, no, no, no, ferious things, secret activities inside jobs, things like that. 01:00.025 --> 01:05.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna be continuing some of those conspiracies and inside different conspiracies and inside jobs. 01:05.313 --> 01:08.237 [SPEAKER_01]: And Elder Scrolls is right with them, full of them. 01:08.678 --> 01:11.302 [SPEAKER_01]: So everybody is very upfront about everything. 01:12.103 --> 01:13.986 [SPEAKER_01]: No secrets, no secrets in Elder Scrolls. 01:14.026 --> 01:16.309 [SPEAKER_02]: No secrets, nothing left through interpretation. 01:16.289 --> 01:20.276 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're going to be digging in and let's get this kicked off. 01:20.337 --> 01:23.723 [SPEAKER_01]: We are up to number 34 out of 500 in some things. 01:23.983 --> 01:24.865 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is still going to be a while. 01:25.125 --> 01:32.619 [SPEAKER_01]: But number 34 on the list of the massive Elder Scrolls iceberg bar Dow also an inside job. 01:34.202 --> 01:35.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Lotus, this is bar Dow. 01:35.365 --> 01:36.867 [SPEAKER_01]: This I feel like this is your territory. 01:37.088 --> 01:38.871 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this one. 01:39.847 --> 01:41.009 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:41.029 --> 01:42.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's get into this. 01:42.612 --> 01:43.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:43.193 --> 01:43.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:43.895 --> 01:47.261 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll read the summary and then we'll get into it a little bit more. 01:47.281 --> 01:54.515 [SPEAKER_01]: So the summary is the most likely accepted explanation for Bardow is that it was thrown into Vivek City by Shia Gorif. 01:54.615 --> 02:03.171 [SPEAKER_01]: So Bardow is the rock that's floating above Vivek City that is stabilized in the air through the power of Vivek. 02:03.151 --> 02:20.147 [SPEAKER_01]: in order to see it from in game if you look up yes yeah and also in Elder Scrolls Online if you go hand-event and there goes online yeah the the storyline of Elder Scrolls Online has to do with Bardownie shift set one point I believe i was gonna say in more wind there is actually some well did the expansion more wind 02:20.127 --> 02:25.036 [SPEAKER_02]: in Elder Scrolls Online, it involves Bardow itself at several points in the story. 02:25.216 --> 02:25.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yes. 02:25.858 --> 02:34.273 [SPEAKER_01]: So Bardow, big old rocks in above the city, Vivek is displaying his power by being so generous by keeping it from squashing everybody. 02:34.313 --> 02:35.816 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't move it out of the way. 02:35.876 --> 02:36.938 [SPEAKER_01]: He just leaves it there. 02:36.918 --> 02:42.694 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's just like, that's one thing that I love that it's just looming above it's like, man, aren't I great? 02:42.734 --> 02:45.342 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if I look the wrong way, I mean, oops. 02:45.903 --> 02:49.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I'm, if I wasn't here, what would happen to all of you? 02:49.032 --> 02:51.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a giant billboard of look how great I am. 02:51.920 --> 02:52.461 [SPEAKER_01]: right, right. 02:52.581 --> 03:00.513 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so widely accepted explanation is that Bardau was tossed there by Cheogorath, which he's a danger prince. 03:00.613 --> 03:01.895 [SPEAKER_01]: He's capable of these kinds of things. 03:02.516 --> 03:08.344 [SPEAKER_01]: However, testimonials on Bardau indicate that the people in universe have other theories about it. 03:09.005 --> 03:13.692 [SPEAKER_01]: This fan theory suggests that Vivek himself through Bardau, 03:13.840 --> 03:18.966 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no canonical support for evidence for this, but it would certainly be in character. 03:20.488 --> 03:21.489 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think? 03:21.509 --> 03:27.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that there's, I mean, this one is one of those, like some of the ones we talked about previously, there was like a lot of evidence. 03:27.957 --> 03:36.208 [SPEAKER_01]: This one, the only, the really amount of evidence is little bits in like one of the stories, testimonials on Bardau. 03:36.228 --> 03:38.050 [SPEAKER_01]: These are just opinions by other people. 03:38.070 --> 03:40.573 [SPEAKER_01]: There's really no proof, it's just suspicion. 03:40.553 --> 04:01.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this one is it tracks with how he acts for sure like I can see that like okay what can I use as a manipulation technique to control the people hate like here's a constant reminder of how great I am type of thing okay cool that totally tracks with something that I would expect from Vivek however if 04:01.985 --> 04:17.228 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason that I don't buy this one specifically is just with some of these floating island so to speak, it's sort of not out of the realm of some degree of normality when it comes to the plains of oblivion. 04:17.248 --> 04:22.316 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so Jay Gourath is pretty erratic and having him do something like this. 04:22.336 --> 04:25.621 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I'm gonna blow up Vexity, like whatever. 04:25.761 --> 04:26.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 04:26.923 --> 04:29.106 [SPEAKER_02]: And use is one of these things. 04:29.086 --> 04:47.382 [SPEAKER_02]: specifically around the time of like okay there's a lot of evidence of this type of thing with the floating cities it's pretty common from the books the two novels right history which is something that it's just like I feel is a lot of evidence that it's like this sort of thing is like 04:47.362 --> 04:52.131 [SPEAKER_02]: not out of the realm of daydric and normality is having these little like floating islands. 04:52.211 --> 04:52.732 [SPEAKER_01]: So to speak. 04:52.792 --> 04:52.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 04:53.353 --> 04:57.641 [SPEAKER_01]: I would also imagine, like you said, it is part of Shaker, Goreth's personality. 04:57.661 --> 05:01.248 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's hot this rock, but to also know that Vivek could stop it. 05:02.029 --> 05:06.838 [SPEAKER_01]: And then leave it hanging there and then that being like a joke on everyone. 05:06.818 --> 05:15.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which ironically becomes a little less of a joke when it plummets into the island blowing it off later in the story. 05:15.361 --> 05:22.380 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, now granted, that's sort of like, it seems like a fault of... 05:22.360 --> 05:23.782 [SPEAKER_02]: Oops, where'd Vivek go? 05:23.822 --> 05:25.324 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Kaboom, type of deal. 05:25.685 --> 05:29.410 [SPEAKER_02]: Oops, where'd Vivek go? 05:29.430 --> 05:29.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:29.550 --> 05:32.974 [SPEAKER_02]: That whole thing that was obviously hyper simplified for anybody. 05:33.535 --> 05:43.449 [SPEAKER_02]: But like some of the events around these things, it's just, it doesn't seem like it necessarily was intentionally set up. 05:43.689 --> 05:49.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it is sort of in Vivek's nature that I could believe that, 05:49.597 --> 06:00.434 [SPEAKER_02]: It just also is in the nature of Shagorath to do something like this and it also specifically tracks with types of things that he would do. 06:00.694 --> 06:00.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 06:01.015 --> 06:01.195 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 06:01.436 --> 06:04.781 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm right towards like, yeah, I mean, that's fine. 06:04.841 --> 06:06.624 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to kind of throw the theory out there. 06:06.664 --> 06:08.447 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't seem implausible. 06:08.607 --> 06:11.892 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think it's what happened based on what we see in game. 06:11.922 --> 06:30.589 [SPEAKER_01]: If you use the figuring out, sometimes you can figure out justifications for things by looking at who benefits the most, and often times, in fact, probably the majority of times, the person who benefits the most has something to do with the situation, 06:30.569 --> 06:37.199 [SPEAKER_01]: this piece of rock being thrown at Vivek City other than just petty revenge or just messing with people. 06:38.240 --> 06:41.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he is sheer goreth, so he doesn't have to have a good reason. 06:41.966 --> 06:46.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of tricky to deal with, so because of his erratic nature. 06:47.193 --> 06:55.726 [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't have to be a rational reason, but the flip side of that coin is who gained something from this the most Vivek seems to. 06:55.786 --> 06:59.091 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like a very 06:59.071 --> 07:02.455 [SPEAKER_01]: possible scenario, even though we don't have a whole lot of evidence for it. 07:03.096 --> 07:03.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 07:03.457 --> 07:16.674 [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I say that it's like, yes, it's totally tracks in the nature of what Vivek would do, but there's several situations where his attention is pulled away or their attention is pulled away. 07:16.874 --> 07:23.543 [SPEAKER_02]: And various stories be at Elder Scrolls Online or more when the Elder Scrolls 07:25.058 --> 07:37.942 [SPEAKER_02]: these events pulling their attention in another direction causes the rock to kind of seem like it's on its way to blowing up the earth. 07:39.405 --> 07:46.719 [SPEAKER_02]: That seems like a weird thing to do and then immediately have situations where it's like, oh man, if I'm not paying attention to this, this thing is actually going to be a huge problem. 07:46.759 --> 07:48.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Now granted, you know, 07:48.262 --> 08:07.315 [SPEAKER_02]: They are probably pretty full of themselves and their powers thinking like they're okay Maybe he didn't really give the thought to it of like this could be potentially a problem later But it seems like a problem that Vivek is actually trying to keep it bay to a degree at least That's true. 08:07.335 --> 08:11.923 [SPEAKER_02]: Also utilizing it to his advantage of right eight also reminder 08:11.903 --> 08:12.864 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah. 08:12.884 --> 08:13.404 [SPEAKER_02]: Check it out. 08:13.464 --> 08:13.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 08:14.225 --> 08:15.506 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the best, aren't I? 08:15.967 --> 08:16.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 08:16.607 --> 08:16.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 08:16.807 --> 08:20.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially the ESO storyline where he he seems to struggle with. 08:20.651 --> 08:29.139 [SPEAKER_01]: He's losing some of his power and that becomes a concern for him as being able to keep this rock in the sky. 08:29.159 --> 08:29.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 08:29.599 --> 08:35.464 [SPEAKER_02]: They definitely struggle a bit at various points in ESO specifically during that storylet. 08:35.484 --> 08:36.545 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, what's that? 08:36.625 --> 08:41.910 [SPEAKER_02]: If that's the case, 08:41.890 --> 09:01.941 [SPEAKER_01]: that's your go to is like yeah we got a blues in it right but but that also doesn't mean that he didn't just set it up not thinking ahead of judge and then misjudged and didn't understand how long his power to relax or if it could be reduced or whatever she's 100% which is why I say that's not 09:01.921 --> 09:03.162 [SPEAKER_02]: impossible. 09:03.443 --> 09:05.665 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just I don't think it's the case. 09:05.965 --> 09:08.528 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I could see this if it was the case. 09:08.948 --> 09:15.314 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just there isn't really any evidence other than just yeah yeah I could see him doing that. 09:15.334 --> 09:22.622 [SPEAKER_01]: If they were if they were to reveal evidence one way or the other in the future I would be okay with the justification either way because it kind of fits both. 09:23.042 --> 09:29.008 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah and it's just I think that's where the moment 09:28.988 --> 09:32.715 [SPEAKER_02]: Shake or else you're just doing something derpy and like Doing something derpy. 09:33.015 --> 09:33.216 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 09:33.236 --> 09:37.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's move on because we don't have a clear A lot of these are not gonna have a clear conclusion. 09:37.944 --> 09:48.162 [SPEAKER_01]: That's part of why they're an iceberg, but that one feels like you could go either way The next one on the list 35 the force more in conspiracy this one feels pretty solid 09:48.142 --> 09:58.357 [SPEAKER_01]: So the short description of this is, this is Skyrim's eponymous quest, which reveals that the force mourn are being used by the silver blood family and Mark Arth to silence their enemies. 09:58.978 --> 10:00.200 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what are the details here? 10:00.380 --> 10:01.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here, I'll break it down for you. 10:02.243 --> 10:16.343 [SPEAKER_01]: The silver bloods specifically, Thonar silver blood maintains control over Madonatch, the imprisoned king in rags of the force mourn, who is held in, there's all sorts of funny names in here, so get ready, because I'm gonna mess them up. 10:16.323 --> 10:24.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Kidna, mine, because Maddenetch still holds absolute authority over the force worn, Thonar uses him to orchestrate hits. 10:25.096 --> 10:33.249 [SPEAKER_01]: By keeping Maddenetch alive and imprisoned, Thonar essentially turns the force worn into a private, deniable enforcement agency. 10:33.689 --> 10:40.660 [SPEAKER_01]: They use the force worn to murder, intimidate, or bankrupt their business rivals and political enemies. 10:40.640 --> 10:45.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Allowing the silver bloods to acquire more land and wealth under the guise of force more and attacks. 10:45.887 --> 10:46.688 [SPEAKER_01]: What could we do? 10:47.008 --> 10:48.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Who could control the force more? 10:48.850 --> 10:49.731 [SPEAKER_01]: They just do what they want. 10:49.852 --> 10:50.633 [SPEAKER_01]: That sort of thing, right? 10:51.073 --> 10:51.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 10:51.654 --> 10:51.854 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 10:51.874 --> 10:52.655 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do we know? 10:52.695 --> 10:53.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Where is the evidence here? 10:54.157 --> 11:05.331 [SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, early in investigations, the player finds a note on a force more 11:05.311 --> 11:14.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the man who attempts to assassinate a woman named market in the marketplace, remember when the first time you walk into the city, and there's this assassination type, so the blood is meets in the reach. 11:15.300 --> 11:15.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. 11:16.701 --> 11:28.292 [SPEAKER_01]: The note contains instructions from N, just the letter N. Later revealed to be NEPOSed the nose, a secret agent of Mad Natch living within the city. 11:28.652 --> 11:35.318 [SPEAKER_01]: And it forgive me if I mispronouncing, because I didn't go back and re-list into the dialogue to just double-check the name pronunciations. 11:35.298 --> 11:37.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it always is pronounced now. 11:37.901 --> 11:38.361 [SPEAKER_01]: He's now. 11:38.381 --> 11:39.783 [SPEAKER_01]: He's now. 11:39.803 --> 11:40.003 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 11:40.023 --> 11:48.091 [SPEAKER_01]: So the next piece of this by investigating Margaret's death and tracing the threads back to the Treasury House, the player confronts Thonar Silverblood. 11:48.392 --> 11:53.017 [SPEAKER_01]: When his wife is attacked and killed by forceborn agents in his own home, Thonar breaks his silence. 11:53.297 --> 11:59.263 [SPEAKER_01]: He reveals that he has been using Mad Natch to get rid of his enemies admitting that the force weren't our his cat paws. 11:59.283 --> 12:00.124 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he calls them. 12:00.104 --> 12:06.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Evidence found in the diaries and documents of victims indicates a recurring pattern. 12:06.892 --> 12:18.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Owners of valuable land or mines, like L-Tree's father, who refused to sell to the silver bloods, are targeted and killed by the forceworn after which the silver bloods seize their property. 12:18.286 --> 12:20.568 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the pieces all start to come together here. 12:20.969 --> 12:21.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 12:21.029 --> 12:39.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this conspiracy is particularly effective because it weaponized the existing hatred between the Nords and the Reachmen, and it plays on a lot of these pre-held beliefs and fear and anger between the different groups in order to do something that people generally believe. 12:39.404 --> 12:41.147 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you put all the pieces together, 12:41.127 --> 12:43.330 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems pretty obvious what's going on. 12:43.850 --> 12:48.216 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this one seems sort of less like a questionable thing. 12:48.256 --> 12:53.522 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a conspiracy you stumble upon in-game, because so much of it is just concretely in-game. 12:54.844 --> 12:58.929 [SPEAKER_02]: So this just kind of seems like a sort of a given. 12:59.149 --> 13:03.675 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yep, this is just this is the situation at hand, and you just kind of discovered it. 13:03.655 --> 13:04.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:04.096 --> 13:04.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:04.316 --> 13:04.797 [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you. 13:05.177 --> 13:07.280 [SPEAKER_01]: Our Aidael says it's pronounced maddenac. 13:07.581 --> 13:08.622 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a suspicion. 13:09.023 --> 13:13.409 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a suspicion, but I just went with my gut on the first one. 13:14.010 --> 13:15.452 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this one feels pretty spelled out. 13:15.472 --> 13:16.253 [SPEAKER_01]: You play through the quest. 13:16.313 --> 13:17.395 [SPEAKER_01]: You get the evidence. 13:17.575 --> 13:18.516 [SPEAKER_01]: You discover the evidence. 13:18.536 --> 13:21.000 [SPEAKER_01]: You uncover it through questing in the game. 13:21.380 --> 13:23.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you find out, oh, there is a force more inconspiracy. 13:24.425 --> 13:24.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:24.665 --> 13:29.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this also makes me wonder, though, what other things don't we know? 13:29.875 --> 13:42.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Force-Worn are a major part of a number of different things that go on in Skyrim, and this is very clearly spelled out for the player, but as we know, a lot of times the writers will 13:42.097 --> 14:10.686 [SPEAKER_01]: like in their minds like they'll know underneath why certain other things are happening even little things like why is there a specific little settlement over here that got attacked by the force more and maybe didn't have anything to do with this conspiracy but they were nearby enough because of the conspiracy and they just naturally attacked their neighbors because that's what they wanted to do or whatever and so a lot of these pieces all kind of piece fit together and bigger for sure and that's where some of the stuff is that like 14:10.666 --> 14:16.958 [SPEAKER_02]: can oftentimes fill in gaps or start, like the previous one we just talked about, start a theory. 14:17.559 --> 14:29.080 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you can use that to support a craft something, but this one seems to have most of the evidence just in-game, and then that's really, you can just kind of get like backing material around it. 14:29.178 --> 14:39.572 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and the more you dig, the more you just look at individual little details, you know, like a note on a table or Right, like the remains of whatever is at the place where the people were like that kind of stuff. 14:39.592 --> 14:40.693 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little Yeah, for sure. 14:40.894 --> 14:41.374 [SPEAKER_01]: All adds up. 14:41.935 --> 14:45.820 [SPEAKER_01]: So that went not so much Not so much a debatable one. 14:45.840 --> 14:46.741 [SPEAKER_01]: That one's pretty. 14:47.042 --> 14:51.007 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that one's the sort of super straight forward like that. 14:51.047 --> 14:55.573 [SPEAKER_02]: I find weird that they're sort of on this iceberg because I'm just kind of like it's just like 14:55.553 --> 15:19.890 [SPEAKER_01]: more or less a quest and then it's just kind of yeah but they're closer to the top so these are the ones that like these are these would be things that people didn't know or wouldn't necessarily remember if they haven't played through recently that's the thing which is funny because that's like the bar doubt what I'm kind of like why does that's what's so far up if that's yeah because it's yeah easily debunkable well icebergs are weird things because they're like assembled by like 15:19.870 --> 15:27.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and individual, but with insight from other people who built previous icebergs and they all get kind of mushed together on the lines somewhere. 15:28.440 --> 15:32.044 [SPEAKER_02]: Almost like how this entire series is crafted, so we get so many different things. 15:32.084 --> 15:34.407 [SPEAKER_01]: True, it's true, yeah, it works both ways, doesn't it? 15:34.427 --> 15:42.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sometimes it's like, oh, well, we were going in one direction, but then they stepped away, and now this different person that's crafting the stories actually brought it into this direction. 15:42.196 --> 15:47.582 [SPEAKER_02]: So now it means this, it's like, all right, well, they're both things, even if that wasn't the original intent. 15:47.562 --> 15:48.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 15:48.403 --> 15:51.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of original intent or not, let's move on to the next one. 15:51.728 --> 15:54.272 [SPEAKER_01]: Number 36, the Arcterian Heresy. 15:54.312 --> 15:56.636 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's a big meaty boy. 15:56.676 --> 16:03.186 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go over it fairly quick, but we did an entire episode about this when we talked about Talos. 16:03.627 --> 16:04.588 [SPEAKER_01]: His rise to power. 16:05.009 --> 16:07.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Who he might actually be? 16:07.593 --> 16:08.574 [SPEAKER_01]: All of that stuff. 16:08.735 --> 16:12.680 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want more detail on this once we're done and you're like, okay, you didn't cover everything. 16:13.101 --> 16:14.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Go look up that episode. 16:14.303 --> 16:16.045 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember it was how we're long episode. 16:16.146 --> 16:17.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's an hour long episode. 16:17.608 --> 16:23.797 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, there's multiple episodes that kind of lay into all the details and then build up to this specific topic. 16:24.197 --> 16:25.399 [SPEAKER_01]: But this... 16:25.379 --> 16:39.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Heresy, as the name implies, is a book that provides an alternate account of how type or septums exploits and how his rise to power actually worked, including who he actually is. 16:40.018 --> 16:49.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Many believe that it holds actual truth as opposed to a official, like Imperial history and the thing that the empire would rather you believe. 16:49.972 --> 16:50.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:50.352 --> 16:54.778 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's some credence to it. 16:54.758 --> 16:55.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 16:55.600 --> 16:55.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 16:55.940 --> 17:00.068 [SPEAKER_01]: So just like so many other powerful individuals rise to power. 17:00.850 --> 17:03.314 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually it's there's some shady stuff that's going on. 17:03.354 --> 17:05.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this gets, this is kind of weird. 17:05.478 --> 17:05.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 17:05.599 --> 17:07.242 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a book. 17:07.482 --> 17:15.197 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a document created written by the underking or as revealed Zerin Arctus. 17:15.177 --> 17:18.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Zaryn Arctus, we're going to get into this as we get into this. 17:19.020 --> 17:31.191 [SPEAKER_01]: This text posits that Tybersepton was not a single person, but a composite entity formed by the merging of oversoul, or an oversoul, basically the merging of souls into an oversoul. 17:31.291 --> 17:32.332 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably the best way to say that. 17:33.073 --> 17:34.254 [SPEAKER_01]: A three distinct figures. 17:34.634 --> 17:43.902 [SPEAKER_01]: According to this heresy, Tybersepton was born Hjalty Early Beard, which we've talked about before is a wonderful name, and he was a power hungry politician, 17:43.882 --> 17:47.648 [SPEAKER_01]: which sheave to his conquest only through the assistance of others who he ultimately betrayed. 17:48.148 --> 17:49.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Yelty Earlybeard, let's talk about him. 17:50.472 --> 17:53.096 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the man who would become the emperor. 17:53.236 --> 17:58.203 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the original core entity who would become the emperor who we would know as type or septum. 17:58.784 --> 18:07.838 [SPEAKER_01]: The heresy depicts him as a cunning, ruthless strategist who ceases power by assassining his own king, Kulikain, and blaming the act on Bretton conspirators. 18:08.038 --> 18:12.825 [SPEAKER_01]: So the conspiracy to gain power, that feels pretty far for the course so far. 18:12.805 --> 18:15.067 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, enter in, we're tracking already. 18:15.207 --> 18:18.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Tracking already, enter in, second individual, Eastmir, Wolfarth. 18:19.471 --> 18:32.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Eastmir is an ancient resurrectic Nordic King and a figure of immense power, often associated with dragons, shore, lorkon, acatosh, like, he goes way back, right? 18:33.343 --> 18:38.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Wolfarth provided Helty with the Thume, the voice, necessary to win his early battles. 18:38.708 --> 18:42.812 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know that Helty used the Thume 18:42.792 --> 19:05.880 [SPEAKER_01]: destroy his enemies and kind of came out of nowhere with it walls of cities to see stuff right right and it just kind of came out of nowhere and all of a sudden he was able to do this third entity third individual zirin arctus type of septum's imperial battle mage and also later known as the underking he was instrumental in creating the technology needed to power the new medium the big walking titan 19:05.860 --> 19:12.178 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, specifically the Mantella, which is a, basically it's a soul gem, but it's very, very powerful. 19:13.000 --> 19:13.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. 19:13.100 --> 19:15.467 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is where the betrayal comes in. 19:15.708 --> 19:19.679 [SPEAKER_01]: The heresy claims that Typer septum turned on his allies to secure his godhood. 19:20.681 --> 19:20.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Ty, uh, 19:20.862 --> 19:24.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Septum featured the power of fear to the power of his allies. 19:25.248 --> 19:30.174 [SPEAKER_01]: He orchestrated a trap to capture the soul of the underking two power of the new medium. 19:30.755 --> 19:36.463 [SPEAKER_01]: During this confrontation, a violent, magical exchange occurred between Zern Arctos and Wolfarth. 19:36.863 --> 19:42.050 [SPEAKER_01]: In the chaos, Wolfarth was destroyed, or his essence was captured, something like that. 19:42.511 --> 19:44.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And Zern Arctos was mortally wounded. 19:44.514 --> 19:50.802 [SPEAKER_01]: His heart, roaring a hole through his chest. 19:50.782 --> 19:53.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Odd language shows a very flowery wording. 19:53.786 --> 20:12.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, type of septum secured the Mantella activated the Numidium to conquer it summer set aisles because the issue was that he had a hard time beating the high elves and with the use of The Numidium he was able to march into their island and basically destroy them with it or 20:12.668 --> 20:16.374 [SPEAKER_01]: Destroy the resistance, not all of the high-up. 20:16.394 --> 20:18.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it didn't blow up the island. 20:18.097 --> 20:21.542 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that really wasn't off the table if they kept resistance. 20:21.562 --> 20:22.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. 20:22.223 --> 20:24.406 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is his weapon of mass destruction, basically. 20:25.047 --> 20:26.810 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he crowned himself Emperor by doing so. 20:26.890 --> 20:31.818 [SPEAKER_01]: He used the soul of his former friend to fuel his conquest and ultimately ascend to divinity. 20:32.159 --> 20:33.240 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's more details here. 20:33.441 --> 20:38.008 [SPEAKER_01]: If you actually read the whole documentary, it's a lot more nuanced than this is just kind of over here. 20:38.028 --> 20:40.752 [SPEAKER_02]: Check out the episode where we fully go into it. 20:40.732 --> 20:45.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and when Lotus and I covered this, we had some of our own theories as well. 20:45.162 --> 20:56.327 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very interesting perspective on it and does clean up some of the ambiguity of the story. 20:56.307 --> 21:11.876 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think it does and this is one of the ones I have I'm less I magically have changed my opinion on things in the last time I don't remember the exact wording you record enough podcast sometimes you could forget the exact of what you say type of thing But in what I had a total change of heart. 21:11.896 --> 21:17.927 [SPEAKER_02]: I still love this theory as it does it fills in some of the some of the 21:17.907 --> 21:24.055 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say blanks, but some of the less detailed parts of the story. 21:24.395 --> 21:31.224 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the vagaries, like the imperial version of this leaves out, I don't know, just like key details. 21:32.105 --> 21:35.850 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really explain who type or septum is. 21:36.491 --> 21:41.097 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really explain his ascent to power other than he was able to get 21:41.077 --> 21:53.010 [SPEAKER_01]: rally troops and then he used the full of doom in order to blow down walls and then he shared everybody because he seems so powerful and like it's it's just a gen weighty I think this 21:54.172 --> 21:56.094 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things that I like about the series. 21:56.114 --> 22:00.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I wouldn't say the Elder Scrolls is entirely like low fantasy by any means. 22:00.899 --> 22:01.219 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 22:01.239 --> 22:07.606 [SPEAKER_02]: However, they ground a lot of the stuff in like an explanation. 22:08.086 --> 22:13.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if the explanation is somewhat fantastical, I mean, we have a resurrected, like, like Nordic King here. 22:13.371 --> 22:19.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not totally, but I love the fact that it's just this larger than my figure. 22:21.138 --> 22:23.323 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe the stories are a little embellished. 22:23.343 --> 22:25.929 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's more to this than it actually seems. 22:25.989 --> 22:30.539 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's not just like, by the way, I'm God incarnate just blowing stuff up type of thing. 22:30.639 --> 22:39.619 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, yeah, you know, it shows that even in this world of, you know, interacting with literal gods and dragons, stuff like that. 22:39.599 --> 22:54.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you can kind of make your own gods to control a political sphere, which I just think is very cool, because it gives grounding to things that it's not just only fantastical offense, make fantastical events. 22:55.122 --> 23:02.653 [SPEAKER_02]: In this situation, it's more of like, this fantastical event is actually explained by several less fantastical events. 23:02.633 --> 23:06.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, still fantasy, but a little bit more than that. 23:06.105 --> 23:07.330 [SPEAKER_01]: And it make a little bit more sense. 23:07.370 --> 23:13.251 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the exit, like in the real definition of like it is something that is like, 23:13.417 --> 23:33.417 [SPEAKER_02]: above and beyond like something fantastic not like that's great but like that is right outside the realm of normal even for this world it's like man the student would have been pretty over the top and he's got a giant death robot like Gundam thing that he's running around in like and stuff up it's like it gives more of a reason to it 23:33.397 --> 23:51.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it's still, you know, like a, over the top scenario, it explains why it's like, well, yes, but it's made of these other things it might not be quite the be all end all that it was because everybody sort of has there. 23:51.959 --> 23:58.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and and all of these individuals would have been vying for power or being part of it some way. 23:58.090 --> 24:03.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Zer and Arctos earlier in the official story is like friends with Tiberseptum. 24:03.600 --> 24:04.782 [SPEAKER_01]: He's his official battle mate. 24:04.802 --> 24:12.275 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like he has a very high position in the court and he's there in support of Tiberseptum's conquest. 24:12.756 --> 24:14.018 [SPEAKER_01]: And then 24:13.998 --> 24:41.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Disappears, I don't remember the specifics, but like, falls away from that and then there's this underking that just shows up out of nowhere Which might be it seems like it is or an arctose, but it might be him in some sort of lich state Resurrected or It's it's it just gets weird right like it does and the thing the thing that's interesting about that is like often times 24:41.133 --> 24:49.270 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, in real life where we don't have magic and dragons, of course, um, no, you've got this thing, sorry. 24:49.290 --> 24:52.657 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let me less magic and dragons. 24:54.080 --> 24:57.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but um, the way that often times, 24:57.687 --> 25:06.096 [SPEAKER_02]: A fantastic story gives people this hope and something to latch on to so it helps control like narratives. 25:07.117 --> 25:18.309 [SPEAKER_02]: So when you can do something like that in this series, it makes it feel all the more real too, where it's like, oh man, we need to make our own extraordinary event type of thing. 25:18.670 --> 25:22.834 [SPEAKER_02]: So what we'll do is these things happened and this event happened, 25:22.814 --> 25:24.737 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just say it was one thing. 25:25.178 --> 25:26.520 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing was all powerful. 25:26.540 --> 25:30.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you want to get behind us because Tyvers septum is part of our thing. 25:30.386 --> 25:33.871 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, look, and he did all these things rather than, he did this one thing. 25:33.912 --> 25:34.893 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's very impressive. 25:35.354 --> 25:39.260 [SPEAKER_02]: But if we say he did three things instead of three people, did one thing. 25:39.360 --> 25:39.701 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 25:39.721 --> 25:45.009 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes that person all of a, and now you should really join us, because we got this dude on our side, type of thing. 25:45.490 --> 25:50.678 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very cool political manipulation of, 25:51.417 --> 25:54.081 [SPEAKER_02]: an information distribution of it. 25:54.101 --> 25:56.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it also matches a lot of real-world situations. 25:56.425 --> 26:10.168 [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, like if you study the history of Rome, which I'm sure everybody's dabbled into a little bit, like the origins of Rome go back to Remis and Romulus, and their story is way more myth than it is actual facts. 26:10.148 --> 26:12.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the myth is what was important. 26:12.551 --> 26:14.034 [SPEAKER_01]: The myth is what people inspire people. 26:14.074 --> 26:19.782 [SPEAKER_01]: The myth is the thing that was the fun story to tell your kids, the actual facts disappeared very quickly. 26:19.822 --> 26:21.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we exactly. 26:21.244 --> 26:30.537 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, when every person has a little embellishment to the story, you get 12 storytellers later, and you don't even know what the story was anymore. 26:30.517 --> 26:30.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 26:30.958 --> 26:31.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 26:31.358 --> 26:51.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Another fun point is, for example, in Western society, such a large percentage of the population is Christian, and the Christian mythos includes the idea of a resurrected individual, Jesus Christ, and that individual was also born of a virgin and was the son of God. 26:51.205 --> 26:53.727 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not an original story. 26:54.047 --> 27:06.258 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, if you study history throughout the Middle East, that same story is told multiple times over about a lot of other people in most of that same kind of scenario of being like the actual son of God. 27:06.938 --> 27:20.790 [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's other variations on it that like resurrecting from the dead or being the son of a God, that's just some other God, some other groups God, like those stories are very, very common in the ancient world. 27:20.770 --> 27:22.213 [SPEAKER_01]: a whole idea out. 27:22.373 --> 27:32.211 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at any, well, not any, but nearly any of just, like, generally widely accepted holidays and how they were formed. 27:32.251 --> 27:33.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Have they changed over time? 27:33.754 --> 27:34.957 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they can co-opt it. 27:34.997 --> 27:39.505 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you didn't really think of how it started and doesn't really have much to do with. 27:39.485 --> 28:05.172 [SPEAKER_02]: original ideas to them right yeah like a Christianity off like Christmas and Easter are not actually and anywhere near when those dates would have actually occurred uh sure but right right right because they took over other pagan holidays right there people say they balanced out with you know the other pagan holidays and they became the new thing that we have and it's a little combination of a lot of different stuff and it was adopted by people and it's just like it's interesting just to see the evolution of how 28:05.152 --> 28:09.058 [SPEAKER_02]: information can get altered even if it's not super intentional. 28:09.159 --> 28:11.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes another times, you know, it is. 28:11.502 --> 28:21.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a theory that so much of being a human being is wrapped up in the concept of storytelling, our own identities, our stories we tell ourselves. 28:22.120 --> 28:25.385 [SPEAKER_01]: The best way to convey information is to tell somebody a story. 28:25.425 --> 28:27.829 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just give them facts, they don't hold onto them. 28:27.889 --> 28:29.151 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you put those facts, 28:29.131 --> 28:33.055 [SPEAKER_01]: in a story than they'll actually remember them. 28:33.216 --> 28:41.705 [SPEAKER_01]: The story is in my mind and maybe this is the best way to say it, but it's kind of the fundamental unit of information sharing. 28:42.366 --> 28:56.202 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what that means is historically, and this works for Elder Scrolls 2, the stories that get passed on are the ones that are the most interesting, the ones that are the most beneficial, the ones that tie to people's identities, the most, not necessarily the ones that are true. 28:56.182 --> 29:04.491 [SPEAKER_02]: So I look at the entire, you know, profession of spinners in the, what do you call it? 29:04.651 --> 29:13.902 [SPEAKER_02]: In the Bosmer race, it's like spinners literally their job is to spin the stories and physically craft them into like the stories of the world and stuff like that. 29:13.942 --> 29:16.124 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just they keep that knowledge. 29:16.144 --> 29:20.469 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just, that's a thing like we do it in real life all the time. 29:20.549 --> 29:22.010 [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree with you on that one too. 29:22.111 --> 29:26.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like it's like we will the story into existence and then it becomes our reality. 29:26.337 --> 29:30.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right, so that's the her turn here to see with a nice little side track to other things. 29:30.845 --> 29:34.372 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got another one, this is number 37, the fairy chain. 29:34.853 --> 29:38.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this one, we've talked about this in the past, although it's been a while, Lotus. 29:39.041 --> 29:42.227 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a theory developed by the scholar, Artibazis. 29:42.367 --> 29:43.890 [SPEAKER_01]: You remember Artibazis? 29:43.870 --> 29:44.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, don't. 29:45.473 --> 29:46.936 [SPEAKER_01]: The name for some reason sticks in my head. 29:47.657 --> 29:53.689 [SPEAKER_01]: He suggested that elves actually blug somewhere along his hierarchical chain of fairies. 29:54.150 --> 30:04.090 [SPEAKER_01]: This is described in his book The Fairy, as being controversial and may very well be wrong and no other lore or references throughout this series support this idea at all. 30:04.070 --> 30:17.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's interesting about this is that we have a general understanding, again, according to the stories, according to the myths of creation, how men and men and beasts races came about. 30:17.772 --> 30:21.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And depending on who you ask, different people have different beliefs. 30:21.518 --> 30:33.335 [SPEAKER_01]: The general understanding of the elves of their own creation is that they descended from the gods, that if you go back far enough in their lineage and they were all God like beings at one point. 30:33.955 --> 30:35.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And they descended into that. 30:35.638 --> 30:45.872 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a document where somebody had a different idea and basically lays out this entire spectrum of the 30:45.852 --> 30:50.340 [SPEAKER_01]: Ferry's and I'm using Ferry as in like the way it's spelled here. 30:50.520 --> 30:54.147 [SPEAKER_01]: F-A-E-R-I-E has in like of the Fafoq. 30:54.307 --> 31:01.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Of the F-A-E which relates to J-R, Tolkien's understanding of Ferry and F-A and Ferry tales. 31:01.601 --> 31:06.910 [SPEAKER_01]: And this goes back hundreds of years in western mythologies and those kinds of things. 31:07.291 --> 31:08.974 [SPEAKER_01]: But in general, 31:08.954 --> 31:26.102 [SPEAKER_01]: He consolidates it, everything basically is down to this lineage, everything from the smallest little pixie, and things like that exist in Elder Scrolls, they do less common, less common, yeah, right, but like pixies and then like nymphs. 31:26.082 --> 31:35.754 [SPEAKER_01]: and imps and goblins and all sorts of other things, all the way to like tree spirits, all the way on the far end of the spectrum to God-like beings. 31:36.315 --> 31:46.808 [SPEAKER_01]: And this document posthead that man and a man are actually somewhere in the middle, which the elves, of course, find highly insulting. 31:46.788 --> 32:06.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, wildly offensive, wildly offensive, like how dare you put us right in this spot between this thing and this thing, we're nothing like that, like, yeah, so, um, but I love that this is basically, uh, synonym for or like an analogy for, um, discovering evolution. 32:06.599 --> 32:19.212 [SPEAKER_01]: and the evolution and how connected all, you know, playing the animal life is, and how certain people look at that and go, how, what we're not, we're not just more intelligent apes, that's impossible, you know, that sort of thing. 32:19.252 --> 32:21.174 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Elder Scrolls Equivalent of that. 32:22.015 --> 32:30.784 [SPEAKER_02]: So, this one, other than there's kind of like minimal evidence, I mean, a little of it does exist, obviously, with this book and stuff, but, um, 32:30.764 --> 32:39.521 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing I have about this and this is sort of my own, I don't know, preference bias, whatever you want to call it in the scenario. 32:40.142 --> 32:51.945 [SPEAKER_02]: So I like that there's some relatable just generic fantasy in this series and I like that there's a bunch of pretty unique to this series fantasy. 32:53.545 --> 33:21.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of just having fairies be not a focus of the series is fine with me that seems like it's kind of interesting and unique for a fantasy series not to have a lot of anything having to do with fairies I mean Dungeons and Dragons is a big inspiration for Elder Scrolls early on and fairies and the fairies is actually a big part of D&D right so it's like I don't 33:22.199 --> 33:25.643 [SPEAKER_02]: To me, it feels kind of tacked on to be like, oh, don't forget this trope. 33:25.923 --> 33:27.905 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, I don't know that. 33:28.166 --> 33:34.172 [SPEAKER_01]: That feels like it's just kind of, or is it a, you know, people keep asking about this. 33:34.192 --> 33:37.816 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's address it in a way that nobody in universe believes so we can put it that way. 33:38.057 --> 33:39.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that type of thing. 33:39.218 --> 33:41.080 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like, it's fine. 33:41.280 --> 33:41.681 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 33:41.801 --> 33:45.625 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it could be, but it's just like, I'm fine with like, we don't, we don't, 33:45.605 --> 33:47.949 [SPEAKER_02]: really need a heavy emphasis on fairy. 33:47.989 --> 33:51.714 [SPEAKER_02]: We all know that they technically exist in the series and you encounter them sometimes. 33:52.015 --> 33:52.496 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. 33:52.676 --> 33:53.177 [SPEAKER_02]: That's enough. 33:53.858 --> 33:57.062 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't need every who did a sending from them and stuff like that. 33:57.804 --> 33:58.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:58.324 --> 33:58.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:58.925 --> 34:03.993 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's accurate, but I do find it I find it as is kind of funny and useful. 34:04.334 --> 34:07.258 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, we have to, we have to note, this is a Ted Peterson 34:07.238 --> 34:11.403 [SPEAKER_01]: book in game book that was part of Daggerfall. 34:11.423 --> 34:13.366 [SPEAKER_01]: So this goes all the way back to old scrolls too. 34:14.046 --> 34:26.162 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in my mind, and I could be wrong about this, but that whole connection, especially early on to Dungeons and Dragons, the Fay, other fantasy worlds, fans expectations that theories might be more of part of the story. 34:26.222 --> 34:34.512 [SPEAKER_01]: This again feels like it's addressing all of that and being like, well, if you want to believe that, then you can be like this guy and think this thing, 34:34.492 --> 34:37.921 [SPEAKER_01]: But everyone in Unus, in Unus, in Unus. 34:38.002 --> 34:41.752 [SPEAKER_01]: In Universe, disputes, it doesn't actually believe it. 34:42.293 --> 34:49.513 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, which I think is probably the best way to leave it, because again, I feel that it would... 34:49.493 --> 34:52.339 [SPEAKER_02]: take away some of the originality to the series. 34:52.399 --> 34:55.445 [SPEAKER_02]: If that just devolved into another very based thing. 34:55.685 --> 34:55.885 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 34:56.126 --> 34:56.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 34:56.487 --> 34:56.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 34:56.847 --> 34:57.128 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 34:57.168 --> 35:03.079 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that it's, it's a little hint of like a, well, maybe this is the way it is, but it's not like a fish. 35:03.099 --> 35:03.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a focal point. 35:03.881 --> 35:04.783 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a focal point. 35:04.883 --> 35:07.007 [SPEAKER_01]: And basically it's put to bed here. 35:07.087 --> 35:09.612 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there was, it's kind of just not addressed otherwise. 35:09.592 --> 35:10.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, this book is like here. 35:10.774 --> 35:22.651 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this one guy had this crazy idea and here it is, but I guess whatever Yeah, it's kind of the way it's presented right, which I'm fine with that because like that's some of the fun Is some of the books you read and it's like what is this book? 35:22.831 --> 35:31.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, all right one more We got one more before we have to wrap up this episode number 38 the Alessian year All right, let me get I'm gonna read the description. 35:31.864 --> 35:32.886 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just a little weird. 35:32.946 --> 35:38.434 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's a little weird Remember before we enter this remember that dragon breaks our thing 35:38.414 --> 35:48.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember that the Alessian Order is a group that was in power, so they were able to make decisions about how things work, but they didn't necessarily have to tell everyone how that came about. 35:48.943 --> 35:50.325 [SPEAKER_01]: But here, let me read through. 35:50.385 --> 36:08.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Faldrune opposed to the concept of the Dragon Break, which has been used to account for the 1000 in a year rule of the Alessian Order. 36:08.401 --> 36:12.046 [SPEAKER_01]: which might last anywhere from a few weeks to several months. 36:12.627 --> 36:19.397 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically what this is saying is their definition of a year is way shorter than a year. 36:19.617 --> 36:26.246 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why it seems like the Elessian Order ruled for 1,000 in a year. 36:26.447 --> 36:31.033 [SPEAKER_01]: When as far as scholars can tell, probably wasn't that long. 36:31.013 --> 36:37.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just like renaming something like, oh, you know, my year is actually like one day for you. 36:38.010 --> 36:38.231 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 36:38.271 --> 36:38.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 36:38.531 --> 36:41.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I, hey, I do, I was here for 108 years. 36:42.862 --> 36:45.248 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you were here for a third of the year, not even. 36:45.308 --> 36:46.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 36:46.190 --> 36:46.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 36:46.772 --> 36:48.516 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just renaming something. 36:48.496 --> 36:50.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, it's just a change of definition. 36:51.380 --> 36:55.947 [SPEAKER_01]: He estimates that the Olesians only ruled for about 150 years in actuality. 36:56.428 --> 37:02.857 [SPEAKER_01]: This book first appears in Moroind yet refers to the events of oblivion in the past tense. 37:03.518 --> 37:10.108 [SPEAKER_01]: So ironically, it's existence proves the same kind of temporal weirdness that it tries to debunk. 37:10.609 --> 37:16.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Fall Drune is also an anagram for darn fool. 37:16.137 --> 37:17.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is really funny. 37:17.499 --> 37:18.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is really funny. 37:18.781 --> 37:20.303 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is really funny. 37:20.323 --> 37:21.184 [SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting, right? 37:21.204 --> 37:28.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Alessian Order ruled a long time ago, way back in the earlier parts of history, and how they defined themselves. 37:28.054 --> 37:36.045 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this plays into some of the weirdness of the Morithic era, and like the first age of the world. 37:36.746 --> 37:42.735 [SPEAKER_01]: And that 37:42.715 --> 37:52.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Which again coincides with also real world mythologies where in many cultures, if you go back in time and you look at genealogies, the lengths of people's lives get longer and longer and longer. 37:52.998 --> 37:58.210 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, like, Matuzo lived like 900 years, that kind of thing. 37:58.190 --> 38:07.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so this does kind of play into that thing as well, but it also mentions dragon breaks and the fact that dragon breaks break time. 38:07.586 --> 38:23.893 [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of opens things up for all sorts of possibilities because we don't really have a way of understanding when time breaks, how much time passes when all of these things like simultaneously happen at the same time and get right together. 38:23.873 --> 38:52.159 [SPEAKER_02]: all taking place together so it's like well what can you say does it like a five years transpire but there's 27 timelines of five years what do you consider that number that how many years actually passed that because as a total year you had all five of those years exist but in 27 timelines so so was this like what do you have for a number 200 and something years three hundred years yeah like how does that work out is that what is the number 38:52.139 --> 38:53.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this one's fun. 38:54.082 --> 39:13.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this idea that like, and a lot of these point to this idea that the people behind the lore, the people, the writers of the series have a very strong understanding of, um, when things look like they're inconsistent, especially from games, out of inconsistencies in a very interesting way. 39:13.553 --> 39:14.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 39:14.054 --> 39:14.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 39:14.275 --> 39:21.570 [SPEAKER_01]: So from a meta perspective, like these a lot of these exist because there are plot holes or there are inconsistencies. 39:21.811 --> 39:21.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 39:21.971 --> 39:23.434 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, let's not record it. 39:23.494 --> 39:26.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's come up with a creative way of explaining it in game. 39:26.340 --> 39:26.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 39:26.741 --> 39:29.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think is a fun way to do it because it makes it more interesting. 39:29.888 --> 39:30.329 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 39:30.349 --> 39:34.878 [SPEAKER_02]: I also love the anagram thing and darned links. 39:34.898 --> 39:38.104 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm such a sucker for that or like creative wordplay. 39:38.505 --> 39:46.260 [SPEAKER_02]: We had gone over it with the 36 left and the thing where it was like the basically admitting to betrayal in. 39:46.240 --> 39:49.965 [SPEAKER_02]: using the first letter or the first start of each paragraph. 39:50.145 --> 39:56.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's another one for in the Elder Scrolls Blades, by the way, play Elder Scrolls Blades before they take it down. 39:56.913 --> 39:57.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, right. 39:57.774 --> 40:02.660 [SPEAKER_02]: In Blades, when you meet Shia Gorath, I forget what his name is, but it's an anagre. 40:02.700 --> 40:03.281 [SPEAKER_02]: It's his name. 40:03.481 --> 40:07.727 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, shuffle it around and it's clearly him pretending to not be him. 40:08.147 --> 40:08.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 40:08.327 --> 40:09.369 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you go to something? 40:09.589 --> 40:10.430 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 40:10.450 --> 40:11.111 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that. 40:11.231 --> 40:14.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and super random Castlevania has the most 40:14.455 --> 40:19.621 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I'm such a sucker for word play like that. 40:19.661 --> 40:28.091 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that stuff is so cool If you don't know how the card is Dracula back to kill it backwards for anybody who doesn't know Yeah, love that stuff. 40:28.151 --> 40:41.948 [SPEAKER_02]: I am so this one gets bonus points just because of the the anagram part, but in general Yeah, this is this is interesting No, that it's Actually true or not, but 40:41.928 --> 40:43.711 [SPEAKER_01]: It's certainly a unique theory. 40:44.272 --> 40:45.473 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, it's fun. 40:45.794 --> 40:49.740 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad stuff like this exists, and maybe it's true, but it really knows. 40:49.860 --> 40:52.985 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, everything in that area is so fuzzy in general. 40:53.586 --> 40:54.447 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, maybe. 40:54.727 --> 40:55.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go. 40:55.468 --> 40:56.109 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was number 38. 40:56.129 --> 40:59.094 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where we're going to finish the iceberg for this week, but don't go anywhere. 40:59.214 --> 41:00.716 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got 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before we get to the random page, I've got it right here and ready to go. 42:52.075 --> 42:53.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Lotus anything else you want to share before we head out. 42:54.650 --> 42:55.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, not really. 42:55.952 --> 43:02.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say exciting stuff happening as the Elder Scrolls Online continues their new season style setup. 43:02.821 --> 43:07.947 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, it's probably a pretty good time if you were interested in it to start checking it out there. 43:08.628 --> 43:13.274 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited for some of the new content to do with like the group activity stuff. 43:13.454 --> 43:13.975 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. 43:13.955 --> 43:17.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of updates just keep coming so yep. 43:17.701 --> 43:37.532 [SPEAKER_02]: They do and I'm continuing to upload My let's play I've dagger fall that we had backlogged When he called so I hope people are enjoying that Some people have sent me private messages and people have commented and stuff that they were glad that I was getting them back up there So that you know, I'm gonna be continuing that each week and 43:37.512 --> 43:38.814 [SPEAKER_02]: Just getting those updated. 43:39.294 --> 43:52.770 [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you noticed, well, if you're a listener of my other show that I co-host hills a Tamriel presented by USB, you might notice that the episode went up and the episode came down and the episode came back up again. 43:53.611 --> 44:04.043 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had to do some editing because of the AI slot fest that's going on where they're just throwing random false copyright claims all over the place including our crap. 44:04.023 --> 44:25.103 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had to remove the audio that we're allowed to use, and then just give it blank space just because So it's all especially bad when like where we work with us like we know that we don't work for them You'll be able to say that like right our part of the 44:25.083 --> 44:44.172 [SPEAKER_01]: their creator team like we're part of the team we know the people who work for the company they've specifically said we like your content keep doing what you're doing right like nothing we're doing is breaking any rules well I also like like even if we use snippets which we had like you know West Johnson recorded that stuff for us and like um 44:44.152 --> 44:50.940 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have barred's musical outro that he wrote for the show, but it's an Elder Scrolls song that he then performed. 44:50.960 --> 44:56.807 [SPEAKER_02]: And like we will use little snippets like we do in this of stuff, but it's like the idea is just like little snippets of it for free. 44:56.867 --> 44:58.669 [SPEAKER_02]: No, those, I guess, of. 44:59.150 --> 45:01.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, we're not even entirely sure what was flagged. 45:01.613 --> 45:06.298 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, hey, you're stealing this nebulous thing because this isn't even a person doing it. 45:06.378 --> 45:13.787 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just an AI robot, sending claims because it's been like pretty widespread apparently from what we 45:13.767 --> 45:32.215 [SPEAKER_02]: if you do notice the episode one up twice that's why it's uh we just had to change a few things so that it would a hundred percent go through and we're gonna see what we can do about getting the ability to avoid that crap going forward because it's kind of annoying and uh yeah it's not completely not creeping a problem um 45:32.195 --> 45:32.576 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 45:32.676 --> 45:33.598 [SPEAKER_02]: It is what it is, though. 45:33.718 --> 45:34.480 [SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is. 45:34.760 --> 45:36.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, yeah, check out Lotus's stuff. 45:36.564 --> 45:37.586 [SPEAKER_01]: You can check out my other stuff. 45:37.646 --> 45:40.932 [SPEAKER_01]: The fallout or cast, uh, the Lord of the Rings Lord cast and Retro Recall. 45:41.012 --> 45:43.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Lotus, do you know what we covered this week on Retro Recall? 45:43.437 --> 45:46.042 [SPEAKER_01]: I am behind two episodes. 45:46.062 --> 45:48.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, well, we hadn't episode because we're doing this on Wednesday. 45:48.267 --> 45:49.249 [SPEAKER_01]: The episodes drop on Wednesday. 45:49.269 --> 45:53.477 [SPEAKER_01]: So the episode this week, the dropped, is the curse of Monkey Island. 45:53.457 --> 45:56.202 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never played that, and I've heard amazing things about it. 45:56.482 --> 46:00.469 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, so I played the first two monkey island games, but I never played this one. 46:00.489 --> 46:01.291 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the third one. 46:01.812 --> 46:02.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 46:02.333 --> 46:11.128 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still a old-timey adventure clicking like puzzle game, but it is probably the pinnacle. 46:11.108 --> 46:17.098 [SPEAKER_01]: of how those old-timey games work, the voice acting, it's not missed. 46:17.279 --> 46:34.027 [SPEAKER_01]: The arts is like it looks like the animated characters, it's got a lot of conveniences that a lot of those earlier games don't have, but the voice acting is so good, the story's funny, the jokes still work, like there's a lot of good about it, so we talk about it a lot with some high praise. 46:34.247 --> 46:34.568 [SPEAKER_01]: So 46:34.548 --> 46:35.009 [SPEAKER_01]: go check it out. 46:35.029 --> 46:43.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Retro recall if you're into old games and old guys figuring out what these games are like 30 years old games and old guys. 46:44.221 --> 46:45.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I love old men. 46:49.168 --> 46:51.151 [SPEAKER_01]: But hey, I've got the random UESP page. 46:51.371 --> 46:53.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess which game this one's about? 46:54.556 --> 46:56.218 [SPEAKER_01]: It is from. 46:56.890 --> 46:58.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Shadowcake. 46:58.934 --> 47:00.738 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's from Elder Scrolls Online. 47:02.021 --> 47:04.867 [SPEAKER_01]: It's under furnishings and sweets. 47:04.928 --> 47:08.656 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the sweet furnishings for bathing goods. 47:08.696 --> 47:11.963 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have this towelette. 47:11.943 --> 47:15.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, Hlawlooth towels folded. 47:15.248 --> 47:15.889 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of them. 47:16.330 --> 47:36.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, Eleanor bathing robes decorative or high elf basin standing, or Hlawlooth bath tub empty basin, or the even more fancier one, Hlawlooth bath tub masterwork, and there's also the regal son-up pool two person. 47:36.243 --> 47:40.787 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you, you know, want to take a bath, somebody else, then make sure, sure, why not? 47:41.027 --> 47:48.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you both have to really get to the ball at the same time, each is very, very, very good about it. 47:48.814 --> 47:50.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine like bathing your kids or something. 47:50.756 --> 47:51.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like something like that. 47:51.877 --> 47:52.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Like hey, are you sitting here? 47:52.778 --> 47:55.941 [SPEAKER_01]: You sit here, okay, everybody wash. Yeah, so, yeah, there you go. 47:55.981 --> 47:58.023 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a whole page about bathing goods. 47:58.563 --> 47:59.124 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're different. 47:59.344 --> 48:03.067 [SPEAKER_01]: They're different costs, rarity, descriptions. 48:03.287 --> 48:06.250 [SPEAKER_01]: If there's an achievement or quest, they're tied to all of that. 48:06.230 --> 48:08.805 [SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go, that's the random series. 48:09.187 --> 48:12.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, so yeah, there's always good stuff when you hit that random button. 48:13.672 --> 48:15.515 [SPEAKER_01]: What are my favorite additions to that site? 48:16.256 --> 48:17.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is so good. 48:17.417 --> 48:18.880 [SPEAKER_01]: And every week, you should have her in a button. 48:18.900 --> 48:19.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to do this again. 48:19.861 --> 48:20.662 [SPEAKER_01]: Random, okay. 48:20.802 --> 48:21.744 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's from Oblivion. 48:22.385 --> 48:22.665 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 48:22.685 --> 48:25.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're not going to, we'll have to, well, it'll disappear. 48:25.429 --> 48:26.591 [SPEAKER_01]: And I won't remember it next week. 48:26.611 --> 48:27.372 [SPEAKER_01]: But there you go. 48:27.392 --> 48:29.996 [SPEAKER_01]: Go get the random button on the UASP and see what you get. 48:30.376 --> 48:31.338 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you, everybody. 48:31.478 --> 48:33.160 [SPEAKER_01]: For tuning in, chat. 48:33.180 --> 48:33.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for being here. 48:34.142 --> 48:36.205 [SPEAKER_01]: So glad that you guys were able to stop in on a Wednesday. 48:36.265 --> 48:41.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of a Thursday, everyone tomorrow is going to be very confused when we don't have a livestream. 48:41.212 --> 48:49.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but this will be up, uh, you know, regular time and all that, everywhere, but uh, yeah, go, you know, go, go hit a random US US UASP button. 48:49.501 --> 48:50.021 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk. 48:50.161 --> 48:51.683 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna end this show. 48:51.703 --> 48:53.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Have a wonderful week, and we'll see you next time. 48:54.146 --> 48:56.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for tuning into the Elder Scrolls lorecast. 48:56.869 --> 49:02.314 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out robotsradio.net for more podcasts, just like this, and join us on the robotsradio Discord. 49:02.635 --> 49:09.582 [SPEAKER_01]: We part of a community of over 5000 people who are excited about video games, and so much more. 49:10.388 --> 49:18.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Robots radio, games, lore, stories, community, just press play.