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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Justin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Pete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to get into it because we got a exciting fun, very different show today.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guess just to see B.C.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doys hanging out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like what Alice is excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have excited because we previously a couple of months back.
[SPEAKER_02]: did our best Marvel live-action TV shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things we talked about at the end is, oh, we should do the same thing with DC.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what we're doing tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be doing our best DC live-action TV shows, our top five lists, and I'm going to lay out some, we made some very broad, very general roles, and then I do want to talk about what each of us were thinking about a list because, like with the marvelous, I expect, we were thinking different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: The basic reason for that is otherwise just going to be Batman the animated series across the board We wanted to make this very simple boring and I got to say I feel like we're going to have some exciting departures from each other's ideas in this episode But just need to be a live action TV series that actually aired I don't believe we had any unearred pilots on here or anything like that I like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I I did want to I wanted to submit Batman the animated series, but you guys shot that down
[SPEAKER_02]: that's actually not live actually is an interesting thing about it but we other than that that was pretty much it there was no like
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs to be this thing or in these years or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all had our own take on what best meant at the last time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were very different because some of us, well, I don't want to spoil it since I assume we were looking under similar criteria this time, but like Justin, Pete, what were you looking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was your, what was I looking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Looking at what were you looking at?
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you look like when you did it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What were you dressed up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what are you similar to right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think it was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, how do I decide?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I will say this was surprisingly hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was going to be easy for some reason getting into it, but I feel pretty set on my text.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry to be like, I want a bigger list.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is too hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are free.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was pretty set on my top three, and then I spent the past week or so just switching around, absolutely, everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day I was like, no, that's not it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, maybe not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I asked my wife, which is like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever it ended up with, maybe I'll change my mind tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your wife was like, I hate you, please stop this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll mention I was sort of thinking about the same kind of things at the last time, which for me best show is over the course of the run, how does it weigh out?
[SPEAKER_02]: is something that i think about a lot like there's a lot of shows that had fantastic for seasons but if every other season was medium to bad that weighs down a lot on the other hand if you have something that is just one season that's really good that probably gets it a little bit of an advantage so i don't know plus plus there's things to factor in like
[SPEAKER_04]: did this kind of like launch, you know, the DC kind of superhero show did a show like I don't know, maybe arrow really kind of set the tone for all those that come afterwards, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well I will say I'm going to give a shout I'm going to say this right now to get this out of the way one thing I felt bad about putting together the list and this is not on my list and maybe people are going to tune on immediately is I don't have Batman 766 or Wonder Woman 76 The Linda Carter Wonder Woman I think was 76
[SPEAKER_02]: They none of this would have been possible without them, but I guess it didn't really watch those shows that much So I got the series seriously Yeah, I mean, I've seen them here and there, but like they're not something that I watched all the way through or anything So I didn't feel Comfortable judging them on the same level of something that I watched eight seasons of Wow, well, yeah, I mean same sounds like you didn't do enough research to be making a list Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see you when they show up on your list, right people
[SPEAKER_04]: yeah hey it's there well maybe not in the top five but it's there well we'll see no spoilies okay no spoilies um I was just gonna say I agree it like slight spoilers I also didn't have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burgess Meredith is a penguin I mean come on this is a classic style love that stuff I grew up watching that but it almost feels it didn't feel right on my list it felt almost like an animated show
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean like it is live action, but it feels like a whole different animal and I did it doesn't make sense to compare that show with the rest of the shows We're about to talk about Yeah, and I'll also mentioned we said this on discord, but
[SPEAKER_02]: In the comments, if you've got a top five, we're going to be doing, whether there's a question, if we're going to do it by state draft, the way that we're going to do it is we're going to be on top five.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to do five, four, three, two, one.
[SPEAKER_02]: All three of our lists at the same time, so we can kind of compare where things are at, and then we'll have the individual slides for a top ten, so we can quickly talk through what didn't quite make the top five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete, you haven't really talked about your qualifications.
[SPEAKER_02]: What were you thinking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was top of mind?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's also like, you know, when you think of the show, what do you think of, you know what I mean, the vibes, the feeling of it, does it move you, is it, you know, important in your life, you know, did, you know, did episodes touch your soul, like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's good, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to ask you individually on each of your picks, which episode touched your soul.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm a little nervous about how far you're up you are just, and it seems like you have this bullet proof list that you can't wait to show up for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I that is not at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a trying day on all fronts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I this is a lovely sip of strong red wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having it's very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy to be here with my friends talking about comic book things on television.
[SPEAKER_01]: The industry television sort of rock television really.
[SPEAKER_00]: It this these shows around television and you know what this is TV these are the rectangles Alex.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the future Get on board or go to bed You're ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is stuff that didn't quite make the aerodynamics, but you're hoping to get it on the next year's program
[SPEAKER_00]: Ambees, are you trying to say webbies?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we have?
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't talk tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm too excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into it with our best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this graphic.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see TV's just a little creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This graphic, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's even creepier when you see the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually cropped a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is, I tell Lizzie's care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets creepier from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the good sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got everybody together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took a picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening to the audio podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's Batman 66.
[SPEAKER_02]: The front penguin right next to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a bunch of hours of folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got Tom Welling from Smallville.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone looks deadly serious in the photo.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say how you found one thing before we move on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope at one point someone listens by gas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone just says, or go to bed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody went to bed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really hope that that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you do, maybe I'll receive sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, I was waffle and all that wasn't sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna stay up all night and listen to your podcast, but now I'm gonna keep it never this week This podcast hits so hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like for I am All you newfound parents out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we do this should we start going to earth this we got Pete Justin and Alex are top five up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do we do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be Justin Good call man Let's get this starting off really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're making great choices
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on the, I'm on best behavior for our guests.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get me on here for that, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a different Justin.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a different JT says, that I'm used to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kick this off with our number five picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll read them off and then we can talk about them individually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the folks can get what we're talking about on the other podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's our number five picks ready and go!
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number five pick is arrow just a number five pick called 1990's the flash 90's flash 90's flash and for me number five is sweet tooth from Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete your first in the list.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: He said 90's flash.
[SPEAKER_04]: I almost did a spit take there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you fucking serious?
[SPEAKER_04]: The 90s splashes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're number five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the real thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Does that mean the other flashes before this?
[SPEAKER_04]: You had two flashes on your list?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The flash family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, why don't okay, since peachy's very focused on this, why the flash from 1990, just?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Justin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's, what's great about the DC shows, as opposed to the other list we made, is these, there's, there's such a breadth of time that a lot DC live action is covered and the flash show was the first time I was like, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: There can be super hero TV shows, you know, it felt real, it felt like the comic Just down to the costume design of of the of Barry's costume in that is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I wanted to just see if I would say that we're ourselves.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're taking some heat from that 1,000 on a bus if sweet tooth is even DC if that's even illegal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not what we're talking about right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we'll get to that in one second when Alex talks about his pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a sweet tooth for sweet tooth Nattaus and you're gonna get up your fill in one second, but the flash was the special effects You know now I bet we could look back and be like that looks dumb But they're the episode where he takes a hallucinogenic and vibrates so quickly that he falls backwards through a wall I was like how the fuck did they do that and that was the first time I said the effort
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I actually want to back you up on the flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it all to miss anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Only because I haven't really watched it since it came out, but John Wesley ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great as the flash Mark Hamill as trickster also great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't explain something that I really have wanted to make time to watch again, but haven't, but totally back up your pick here, Justin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, so many of these shows we're talking about are rooted in comics and the sort of relationships mirror the comics relationships a lot, but the way that the flash and star labs were sort of connected here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never really been done that way to meet to my mind in comics and it stands out apart as a very unique thing for the flash as a character.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would continue to watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk about my picks sweet tooth just because it seems to be an area of contention.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's based on a vertigo series and I just thought this was a gorgeous, lovely, no pun intended, very sweet and earnest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pot series.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it a legal pick though because it's technically vertigo and not a vertigo, which is, yeah, which is a DC imprint.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we talking about, Pete?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying that, you know, people are saying this is an illegal pick.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got bad news.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got bad news.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're not including vertigo my list is toast Right also I guess arrow we can't include that because it's not strictly green arrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's another continuity in the comics So actually let's just scrap this list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to sleep
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's more of a punishment than an act.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I any chance that I could finish talking about sweet toothpaste?
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't write much more times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will seem to be able to wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm like the kid at the recesses 2 wound up and pizza.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of 2.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to get in a rock jim pickle created a beautiful show here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We covered all three seasons of it and it was very different from the comic book The jiffling you're created, but it captured the tone and the touching nature of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The actors were phenomenal Christian Convery as sweet tooth and nanzo a nanzi I believe as a big man wonderful relationship love the extended cast
[SPEAKER_02]: thought it ended really nicely as well, just a series that I was so happy with across the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just had some beautiful images.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also one that I think it gets very dark, but it's one that you can really recommend to kids as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then say, hey, if you like that, read the comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a really good backdoor entrance into comic book reading as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one that I look forward to revisiting at some point in the future.
[SPEAKER_04]: I definitely think it's a great show, really well-cast, and I was surprised how much I liked it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's nice to see it on your list even though that's a legal show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely not cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why you're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, we don't have time to talk about your fifth pick, so why don't we move on with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, come on, what's up, Pete?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I said the rule that was coming, the arrow is a hole in the list.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Arrow is a arrow is a just staple.
[SPEAKER_04]: It started at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: We wouldn't have sweet tooth.
[SPEAKER_04]: We wouldn't have so many great shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: Arrow showed us the power of the salmon ladder.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it did a lot of things for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_04]: So really, I mean, you know, the shout out to Diggle Lone is worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see because I don't know anything about this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I was hoping for finally a tutorial on what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: It went for a long time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It did.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was also the story of two friends, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was really like grumpy or old men.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, but in a super old world.
[SPEAKER_02]: People ask you for a recommendation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you start with it's a story of two friends or where do you begin?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well,
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... i do begin uh... with this story to friends you know of course that happens after he gets trapped on an island in his father to sacrifice himself so he could live but you know in fact a lot of these uh... shares of a story to friends yes we to this specially
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'm trying to say about Arrow, if it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it started everything, but it definitely started the modern age of superhero TV shows, beating Marvel by a couple of years, and the Netflix shows, and it did really show how you could take...
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark O'Neighb has been very open about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was influenced by Batman Begins eventually by the Dark Knight He wanted to see how he could do that uber serious take on TV and They nailed it, you know the first season to be honest is not my favorite Where he's basically a serial killer second season is excellent the other seasons no
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, mileage may vary, but it led to an entire universe well before Marvel did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It so showed people, it could be done on TV, and that's continued to this day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let me ask you Alex, because I truly, I should have watched more of this in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think this holds up?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I dial this up and put this on, you'd be like, yes, this is still, if I compare this to Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, they're very different things, you know, it's a CW action series and now you probably have a pretty fair idea of what that is, though that felt like something new at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's probably like a lot of the CW shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all have one really excellent season that I still think is worth checking out,
[SPEAKER_02]: probably don't want to do, but if you really have the time, I always recommend it to people like maybe just read a quick plot synopsis of the first season because it gave me an achy feeling, second season crushes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good action show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting and maybe looking back this is like a template like blending the superhero genre to the CW tone was such a success.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that we've gotten away from that idea of taking a superhero idea and making it like the most TV TV thing possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's perhaps why it was this whole this launched the whole university time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Riverdale is also a good example of the most TV show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think you would have Riverdale, honestly, without Arrow or anything like that, but also the other thing that CW showed us is you can run that into the ground pretty quickly by having superiorsures every single day of the week, which I was like, yeah, shove it in my mouth, but even me, I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a little too much this is too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is starting to feel like a job at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Turn off the hose Speaking of which, why don't we turn on the hose and turn it to the number four hose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four hose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four is
[SPEAKER_02]: Come back, Pete's is Constantine just as Doom Patrol, and mine is Gotham.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great pick, it's actually a tripod in three different directions of ID.
[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete, I want to hear from you first about Constantine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, first off, I thought the actor who played Constantine did such a great job that like,
[SPEAKER_04]: He got cast to do the voice in the animated show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like every time they tried to bring Constantine back, he was at the center of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I just loved him as Constantine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought he brought a funness to the character that sometimes you see in the cartoon, but not always.
[SPEAKER_04]: So not the cartoon, but the comic as well as the animated show.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I just, yeah, I loved every episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel crazy to say that I haven't watched either of these stuff, and that, and I love TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not Ryan is fantastic as Constantine, it is one of those great superhero comic book castings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, but, unfortunately, Constantine was a vertical comic book, so I think it's legal and you have to take it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hosted by my own petard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I would actually say it's funny that you pick Constantine because I agree with you on Matt Ryan, but I think it was better on other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, would he move to over to legends of tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was great on Matt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Constantine itself, I thought, was fine as a TV show, but I'm glad it wasn't that bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that character though, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, what about Doom Patrol?
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom, boom, you're back in the Doom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boom, boom, I never left the Doom room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this was, I mean, speaking personally, uh, that was one of our most fun podcasts we did.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, this show, the show is like sweet tooth because we got to eat candy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why they're all over our list, but the, I think the, the do patrol, there's something about it that was infectious, the energy of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many of those episodes were so weird and esoteric and chasing, going away from convention, which something I feel like TV shows are constantly, super hero shows, specifically are constantly chasing convention, like I was talking
[SPEAKER_00]: reaching a larger audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doom Patrol almost felt like they were going the opposite direction the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They embraced the not only the characters, but the tone of the comic, which is also hard to do when you're translating a show like Alex's pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to talk about us.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like, you've shown the list ahead of time?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the one it's on the screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally you're going to write about his next pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete's got those shark eyes on the side of his head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly because you never know it's going to be also peat never stop swimming He's in a little kitty pool right now But what I was gonna say is they nailed it this show exists whole holy in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a t-shirt What would cliff do that I wear constantly still and people are like oh nice and they just definitely have no idea
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just head on there that the Danny of the Street episode from season one, I will always contend is one of the best TV episodes of all time, it is utterly fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has that stunning moment where Matt Bowmer's character, a negative man, is singing people like us by Kelly Clarkson at the club, and becomes his true self, and just like thinking about that, I get a little choked up thinking about it, so... Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing show.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Gotham, I'll be perfectly honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a personal pick for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is part of the waffle egg where I was like, do I put Gotham on there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I not put Gotham on there?
[SPEAKER_02]: But of course it's strong showing for a maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first season of Gotham is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a bad show because it is trying to do the thing that Arrow was trying to do as well, which is be like a serious bad bad show when it has all these very weird things happening around the
[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as it got past being like we should do a mob plot in the first season, I'd killed off the mobsters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you hit season two and they're like, nah, just getting legit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plus, let's be crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like for the next couple of seasons, it's insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also features fantastic performances, Rob and Laura Taylor.
[SPEAKER_02]: as the benguin is a great thing core Michael Smith as the rittler is amazing literally like no honk he got discovered in the show no honk is amazing he's fantastic as as like all the villains are so good and even bed becousey what's the best the past the fact that like he's not really playing Jim Gordon he's kind of playing bad bad
[SPEAKER_02]: It becomes totally okay as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it really is just like Alfred's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alfred's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole cast is great It's just a really ridiculously fun show that is quirky and young.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm selling plus I'll throw out there that like it's a show that be filmed in New York and around New York Which gave you like a very different feel for anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: So good stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to shout out, uh, Eric MCI's, uh, Gotham is a bag of parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a great, uh, hit on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I remember the blue man, why all that episode approaching Doom Patrol levels of weirdness?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to say off of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has there been a bad penguin?
[SPEAKER_00]: In the, any, any multi, any non comic book presentation, movies and TV, has their been a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that crazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: That has been a bad every one else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's definitely been a bad Joker for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bad Mr. Free.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the bad Joker?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm thinking about it for like, yeah, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No bad penguins.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're wildly different.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're different shapes, sizes, vibes, words.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all, I think, oh, we're a couple characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we move on to our number three pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody good?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three is.
[SPEAKER_02]: For Pete, watch man for Justin, sweet tooth, and for me Superman and Lois, we are different.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about we'll go in the opposite direction this time so I can talk about Superman and Lois earlier.
[SPEAKER_04]: This one is this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, probably about 10 minutes ago, I talked about the CW's Hour of Earth and how there was too much stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Superb at the lowest is the last one and it's easily the most consistent and one of the best ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fantastic superman show and a fantastic low-ish show per the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the Hour of Earth's one that was on the CWB with Tyler Hawkelin as superman at the two-lock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: It, they went really hard with the show, just even in terms of the look, like they tried really hard to make it cinematic, it not feel like they were filming at the same quarry and the same warehouse that they filled every episode of every other CW show in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just the widescreen look, it was also the scope and the span of the show as well because,
[SPEAKER_02]: that so many wild twists every single season, I remember just like jaw-dropping multiple times, particularly in the first season, but every season they managed to hit you with something third season, if I remember correctly, there was an incredible cancer storyline with a lowest that made me cry in multiple times, which is something that you don't get in a lot of other shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very doubtful of the show going again, even though I liked both of them when they had peer previously on our reverse,
[SPEAKER_02]: But this knocked it out of the park, just a great, great superman show that perfectly captured everything that Superman and Lois are all about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you think it is like the sort of apex of CW Superhero shows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did that like all the lessons were learned throughout?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because it kept some of the CWDs because it had the twins and had the two kids that they had who were teens.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's like this vestige of CW there that keeps it grounded in like, oh yeah, but also it's a teen drama at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But whenever they focus on anything else, it feels elevated beyond that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that's as good as any networked drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I say this to somebody who loves the CW, Mrs. and every day, and wishes would come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also understand what it is at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it understood what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is beyond all of those.
[SPEAKER_04]: You do think Riverdale is PTB and we'll never achieve that again.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll never have anything like Riverdale again.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's a different list.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I mean, that's a list where it's just one one one, and it's all over for Dale and everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy people People would be like like Cody Melton's on the new season Charles, or sorry Charles Mom is on the new season of beef and people are like, oh man I love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I seem for and like a riverdale is like, oh, I watched all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like one
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, watch every episode I talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, we had this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually one of the number, like the top three Riverdale podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I always feel and I shouldn't, but whatever I see interviews with Riverdale cast every single time they get asked why are we going so far I feel there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get they get asked about Riverdale and the interviews are all like oh, yeah That got a little crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I stopped watching after season two and if I had like we taped 150 Also, you thought I got crazy in season two Bro, yeah, get out of my head
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just how you put sweet tooth at number three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put it at number five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it your number three?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's my number three and I agree with all the things you said about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they like I've got another podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoy taping.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were at peak form in that and But the show like they were able to
[SPEAKER_00]: it became more than the sum of its parts like Gotham is a show of parts that sort of all sit in a table together and you're like sort of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This show blended all of this together, the TV nest, the cinematic nature of the show, the way that emotionality, the emotionality, so pulling for this kid and the big man to make it through, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: of course the comic book source material and there was something that emerged that had a little bit of magic to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an alchemy there.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something that has a sparkle to it that you talk about one of your favorite characters that you would show up sometimes and you would lose your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I like all the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's talking about Bobby and he's talking about me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's mixing up you and me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved Bobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex has Bobby.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little over Bobby by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was definitely over Bobby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Michael is directing the gun to movie for Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee Bobby is going to show up in a gun distance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you can't really, are you going to hire a happy man?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very, you in a Gundam, uh, casket.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are only a couple shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a threat that would actually be a lot of work, just so you know, Pete.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to back up that large threat that's out of your skills.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and also my price range probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh definitely that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're gonna build a cardboard Gundam and shove Alex's corpse in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure his family will be cool that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you have to do it on the cover of Darktis after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we wanted to bury him in a full
[SPEAKER_00]: Peaches up with a Gundam suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I show up with a Valtrans suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I show split his corpse at half.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you take you barium
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Alex's family had so many questions about us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was saying about sweet tooth so many of these shows are trying to Tain prestige TV status and I think that what sweet tooth and a couple other shows do They do actually achieve prestige TV from the comic book
[SPEAKER_00]: He got watchmen at number three.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, speaking of prestige, I mean, the casting on this HBO show, the episodes were just so deep and powerful and meaningful and just really blew me away.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I was just really something I think holds up and stands the test at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: The show is award winning and glorious.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's definitely on my list.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sure is all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to them for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't like it at all didn't like to be speaking on it as soon I believe oh Okay, and so Alex I bet you Well, no wonder you guys were quiet Also, we like to let you talk about what you want to say rather than talking over here, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all have a road to I'm famously I famously never interrupted people
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, take a drink every time Justin interrupts Pete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't sober yet again.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go with number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Pete Scott Lucifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin Scott preacher.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got the penguin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete, you want to go first?
[SPEAKER_04]: I knew you were leaving.
[SPEAKER_04]: You had the penguin all over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: thing in the back God there was a large picture so I put it in front he's sitting down yeah I knew it was going to be in your top.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex playing faves you've been a person every week for my Photoshop class you have to start coming you're going to fail out oh man I'd suck a Photoshop you know it's very funny because if you came to my class
[SPEAKER_00]: Great lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Besides Watchman, your show is like tracker for superheroes and that literally tracks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Pete you want to talk about Lucifer then with the same time I will mention Lucifer is a vertigo character So I don't think it counts either on a man watchman was it easy comic book?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess you're fun there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Lucifer.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to talk about amazing casting This was just such a great show plus I'm a sucker for the will they won't they and the Lucifer copper relationship was such a beautiful love story And yeah, I kept coming back for that
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... for that love story was such a great kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of stronghold throughout the whole series, but yeah, I just it became such a great great show It really found it stride and understood its characters and yeah, it would it was a lovely love story as well I Very moved by a lot of the episodes, so yeah, I think they did such a great job, and They tried to cancel a couple of times and come to coming back because the fans loved it and yeah I was just a huge fan of the series and also the amazing casting
[SPEAKER_01]: I Checkless as the loser for what's her name was such a great love story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you remember the name of the character?
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be don't don't don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: I bet you like kind of pull it because I got a picture of the character saying her name because he's always like you have a picture of her saying her.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I got a picture it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's so, as a hard way to remember names.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never say behind names.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have an honest question for you, Pete, and this is more about methodology, but is, do you think qualitatively Lucifer is a better show than Watchman, Constantin or Arrow, or are you ranking like your favorite shows?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just think that like loose for a answer here.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no move to me more than, I mean, watchman was an amazing show, but I was, you know, I'm a sucker for rom-com.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you get a good, you know, a couple in there, that's gonna win me over.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Lucifer had that and it detective is what he called her.
[SPEAKER_04]: He always just said detective.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to think of her.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a second, honestly, for anyone listening, if you think Pete makes any decision without considering what's closest to his giant beating heart, like everything he does is like, I love this the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, you're all head-meanwhile, so talking about preacher at number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, preacher was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big, bombastic show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I love all of the shows on my list.
[SPEAKER_00]: This show is uniquely itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like...
[SPEAKER_00]: It stands alone in its own space, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we've been watching the boys, airing currently.
[SPEAKER_00]: This show, the boys wouldn't exist without the pre- what our preacher sort of, creating the space in the culture for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the boys is a better show a show that I'm enjoying more, but preacher has all of the pieces right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the characters in this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's maybe that later seasons did things a couple more times than they needed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Them, but fun surprising a reverence pushing the boarder love this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, I'd like to talk about preacher and the fact of like, the comic is so famous and so great and they tried to make preacher a bunch of times and never could.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this show not only nailed it, but then took it and elevated it to its own thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: like really own the characters and brought such new ones to the characters, really just such an, and you want to talk about amazing casting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, the fact of the cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great ring trio in four four.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Penguin, I put that in his number two because I just think it is a pretty much perfect season of television that could have gone wrong in a billion ways instead went incredibly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Colin Farrell is stunning as the Penguin
[SPEAKER_02]: I in this and every episode I was just dying to know what was going to happen next in fleshed out the world of Gotham you didn't need Batman in it at all to make it a good compelling show and it only made me more excited for the Batman part 2 whatever that comes out So I'll show that I'll move Batman part 2
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cinema con, not mentioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, it which is very, very strange.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might get a peg with season two before we get Batman part two, which is the dot spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this movie for whatever reason, they've just our slow playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so hard, which is insane to me from a money making perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this was great, like we were talking about it earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's surprising that there's definitely been a bad peaguand, but it's true here too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could characters, great crime story, beautifully shot, just an excellent show front to back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if there's one quote to take away, it's show me a bad penguin.
[SPEAKER_00]: a question from this show but I want to say about the penguin like this show had everything stacked against it everyone was like after this show to be like it's gonna be dumb it's gonna be a unnecessary it's gonna be goofy and man talking about casting the two leads of this show they just crushed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conferral underneath all that goo he was acting so hard nailing it and
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris to Miliati.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so good in this show from every frame she feels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Sportacast, too, was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm forgetting the name of the character who played penguins mother, the actor who played penguins mother, but she was amazing as well, just really, really good show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do hope they do more because I'd like to see more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys ready for our number one pick to the top of the top of the top $100 Alex and I are the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three, two, one.
[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, with the preacher, me and Justin both with Watchman at number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, as we plan, let's say what we liked about Watchman at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three, two, one, one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The deep understanding.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was in the watchman?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to follow you and doing a bad job of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hard game to play in real life and let alone on the different lags on each of our individual streams coming into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pete, why don't you talk about preacher first because we just got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean to me, just
[SPEAKER_04]: unbelievable cast such a bad as show they they took the comic turned it up to 11 The violence the kind of the the voices they just nailed all of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It really felt like the comic came to life in the best possible way and they just like really kind of felt like they took their time with everything so
[SPEAKER_04]: I felt in great hands and I felt like somebody who knew and understand the material was in charge.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it was such an easy watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't nervous like, oh God, are they going to fuck this up or whatever?
[SPEAKER_04]: It was just such a fun roller coaster ride of a show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I think, uh, I said Seth Rogan, Evan Goldberg, um, just to give them credit, like, they're everywhere now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the show, I think, where they became the TV, like, powerhouse that moved them into the new, this new timeline when we're there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to steal another point made Pete, uh, because I think we were right about preacher.
[SPEAKER_00]: It took the comic and just turned everything up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, everything was more vibrant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it left off the page.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I would double down on that in talking about watchmen as my number one pick and
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it took what was, again, a series of everyone was like, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way are you going to crush this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what they did is they took that, it's like they smashed the comic with a hammer, boiled all the pieces down and made something completely different from the core ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's somehow,
[SPEAKER_00]: worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, absolutely elevated the material, put it in a more modern context, was able to take a comic book that wasn't really talking at all about the race and made and took those ideas and was able to make it about that in a way that was
[SPEAKER_00]: just breathtaking again that does you keep making about our podcast but we've podcast about all so many of these shows our podcast about this is like one of the best things we've done I think yes because we got into the deeper issues we had guests on help us reframe a lot of our ideas while we were talking about them just I think about this show all the time
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a perfect season of television, like you said, there's no reason that a sequel to Watchman and TV forum should have worked, but it absolutely did expanding on the ideas of the comic, doing not to select something else off to build this up, but we talked about this a lot on the podcast, but where the film adapted the comic, and that's not what you should do, because the comic is about comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here, this was a TV show about TV, and the
[SPEAKER_02]: and playing around with that form.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've also got an insane cast here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody at the top of their game from Jeet Smart to is a Regina Gregory to Yaya Abdulmatin, the second Jeremy Irons, Don Johnson, being absolutely terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: God.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that
[SPEAKER_02]: not like a lot of these shows, but I really think it is had more sticking power than pretty much anything that we've watched recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: It still gets talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It still gets brought up when you have, frankly, when you have massed ice agents wandering around on the streets, all I see online is people being like, oh, that's like Watchman and I hate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not that they weren't working off of things that pre-existed, but
[SPEAKER_02]: It is still a show that is eerily and upsettingly relevant to this very day, and still has lessons and things to show us and teach us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things to say, I agree with that, completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things to say is it took, they were able to take the thing in comics where you see a panel or a page that is like, indelible and stuck on your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were able to do a TV version of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when the dude is loomed up and he jumps and slides into the sewer gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never forget that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think about that a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about doing it I think about when something slips out of like out of someone's hand and I'm like, oh, like that guy, and not like why is that an intense reference point for me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think about that image has just broken it through into my core memories.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like that, if I may jump over to preacher a little bit, the Cassidy in preacher was just so magical there was such a come-to-life character in such a kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: magical way.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just melted my brain.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to see this character do everything and it was just such a perfect combination of an idea and well executed by the actor that just brought some of the other things to life for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's our top five.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are mostly wildly different lists that we do have some connections there like multiple preacher multiple sweet tooth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody has watchmen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we take a look at our top 10?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to ask you about preacher not being at all a part of your top five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll see in the top 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we visit this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, why don't we move on?
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget who I put first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it was Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete, I want to talk about, I'll just read them off for anybody listening on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six, you've got Doom Patrol 7 piece maker, 8 legends of tomorrow, 9 Gotham and 10 Supergirl.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, you know, we talked about Doom Patrol and how great it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Peacemaker is such a wild ride to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And not only do I laugh out loud with Peacemaker, Tim Meadows is unbelievable in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's just a silliness and a kind of fun that's insane that I think if you're going to kind of take a comic book and turn into a TV show that I like.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also legends of tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_04]: does such a great job with that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there was an episode where they were fighting like giant furbies and it was a blast.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, like they just got it and were kind of in on the joke of it and having so much fun with it that like legends are tomorrow for me like they didn't all Western episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did so many fun cry episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, wild stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: But great characters
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just great use also pulled people from arrow, which was exciting Is Legend of tomorrow the most TV superhero show about time the most like let's just do this That's turning like old school TV like where they would show and be like all right We have to do an episode today.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but they also talk, you know, kind of made modern references, but I agree with what you're saying, but I also think that like when it got there, the first season is pretty bad because they're trying to be Avengers on a TV show, just wasn't working.
[SPEAKER_02]: About halfway through season two, they hit that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Gotham also hit where they're like asked for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just do whatever we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they really leaned into it and it just became a totally different show, a much better show as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, they do have the, you can do anything on television vibe to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like Pete saying, they really go there with some stuff that is
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, peanut shunk peacemaker wasn't higher on your list.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was hard to kind of put stuff in front of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: This other stuff, I mean preacher watchman Lucifer, these are all like really solid shows You know peacemakers new and it's hard not to kind of take something that's new and fun and put it in front, but I got a kind of Show respect to the others.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think thing about peacemaker
[SPEAKER_02]: is first season very good second season I thought pretty bad so on a 50-50 basis I just didn't feel comfortable putting it on my list saying that it's just it's interesting to me just to like looking at the third season it's gonna save it all and they got to put it on your list they're not gonna have one but okay
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, I have my list goes past 10, do I get to chill that off or what's up with that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't intend for each of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many do you have?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just 14.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have like 20.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something I could just... Let me confess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I submitted eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had a dig.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a dig.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at the tea leaves though like Pete.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the comedic are the lighter nature of peacemaker doing virtual legends of tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trumped by the heartfelt nature of the ones on your top five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I will say as Shukler mentions here, Pete loves peacemaker because this is a rom-com and it does have peacemaker and wants her name and it's just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... so my number eleven is won't even said nine or ten okay so people are asking for your fifteen okay well well get there i'll get there i only made fourteen but uh... do you want to talk about gotham add door supergirl first i mean we talked about gotham we talked about great it was in some amazing casings and great before they were famous stuff and uh...
[SPEAKER_04]: yeah it gets a little wonky in some seasons but overall I was really impressed with it especially the you know Jim Gordon of it all I thought was really great kind of spotlight for Gotham so and Supergirl which we haven't talked about yet
[SPEAKER_04]: Supergirl, again, she was such a great supergirl for me and I love the cast and her kind of like sister relationship was just really great and you know all the different kind of like different casting choices they made and different kind of relationship stuff was so great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just really dealt with family issues in such a cool way.
[SPEAKER_04]: a lot of just amazing kind of moments and super girl gets me in the feels a lot, you know, was a really emotionally intelligent show that I liked very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just give a shout out to you what we're talking about earlier if you're going to watch anything watch the first season of Supergirl, which is excellent And it kind of goes off a cliff after that, but I watched all of them so okay if I could just finish my list real quick that would be great Yeah, just run through it real quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so one room in 75 I mean the OG that song just echoes in my ear anytime someone torils around I'm thinking
[SPEAKER_04]: Wonder what I'm on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there's that happening.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you'd be surprised.
[SPEAKER_04]: The same way it's like just, yeah, I mean, Lee McCartner's, Linda Carter, a GarPack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's constantly acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, unbelievable actor.
[SPEAKER_04]: She was glorious and an amazing person.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK.
[SPEAKER_04]: Number 12 sweet tooth was, she's still alive.
[SPEAKER_04]: She is.
[SPEAKER_04]: So she said, I'd meant for when she played the role.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, always.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Peter.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh number thirteen black lightning number fourteen swam thing nineties just because they're grow watching it and i thought the actor who played swam thing was really great and had a nice kind of soul and heart to him that i thought came through uh hold on i more to say on that greater good forty two what is fifteen for you peep
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't I don't like I said before I don't have 50 and I just made a list of 14 interesting It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I next up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I put myself there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go So at six I crimped on you Hold on don't jump ahead I didn't jump ahead of you so don't jump ahead six legends for tomorrow seven eyes on be eight 99 flash 999
[SPEAKER_02]: and ten crypton so everything that we just said about legends don't need to repeat that that was one that I kept switching it out of the top five really only because of like that not particularly great first season but man it was so good what it was so good like legitimately
[SPEAKER_02]: Every couple of years, I'd love it when the episode pops up where somebody's like, hey, did you know, Gorilla-Grad attack, Barack Obama in college?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, ah, that's very funny until you realize that's also the episode where they need to travel back in time to the set of Lord of the Rings to get John Noble, as John Noble to record a line of dialogue.
[SPEAKER_02]: because John Noble is also voicing me big bad of that season, and they need his voice to break into something or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That show is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw him be as great comic this almost has nothing to do with the comic the TV show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes entirely different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But great cast really fun, really good, just like Rob Thomas, mystery zombie series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give us, oh my god, what's her name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rose, Rose McIver, who is excellent as the lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the cast is really good as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a really good fun series that was well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do patrol, we already talked about Flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the one of the CW shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Flash fan, I'm wearing a Flash hat right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it's not higher up for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got so bad Justin like so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, but I had a lot of great seasons It got a lot of great seasons and then it got really bad like uncomfortable awfully like please make this stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't watch this anymore bad
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and the cast was good throughout, but like first season is phenomenal, uh, second and maybe third season are pretty good as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some fun moments after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, when we're talking about like the sum total of something, it just, I can't rag it higher because it's just, it's not something where I'm like, yeah, watch all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely like watch the first season and then think about what you want to do with your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how many seasons were there?
[SPEAKER_02]: 7-8.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It went on past the well past the point where Grant Guston was like, I'm done with this now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a great flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be happy if they brought him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is good as Jen was a ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: John Wesley ship also on the show yes as Jake Erick and he was great as that yeah you know and I had a really nice moment with Tom Kavanaugh at San Diego Comic-Con one year so I have fun feelings about that as well I love him yeah though we were talking about love monkey on vh1 dot the flash anyway
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then 10 we got Krypton, which...
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That show went so much harder than it had to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it got a lot of flack.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another one that I also before I was like, Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't really need to know about Superman's Grandpa.
[SPEAKER_02]: I everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a necessary story to tell, but then when they have the twist of the first episode where it turns out an is part of continuity and it is affecting Superman's present in the past, Adam's strange as part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like a lot of the things that they did here were so much better than any other show on this list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Premium is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lobo is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was so much promise to this show and sometimes it was a little wobbly and the lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: who played Segal was probably like not the greatest.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like a time-welling in the middle of all this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, it hit hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will speak more on that in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of time, Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love in the chat and I just wanted to shout out the TV show Ed, which I fucking loved when I was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, bowling alley lawyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: David Letterman producing, very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's go to the last list, which is Justin's Justin's number six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Krypton it's six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why, uh, that's bullshit dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we Alex is just talking about it and to speak on him where he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there was a little bit of a hole at the center of the show, uh, perhaps with our own character, our protagonist.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the world and the villains of this show was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was shot like you were playing, um, bond on the Super Nintendo.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the time running through different rooms,
[SPEAKER_00]: But the rest of it was interesting and good, and I thought for us this is so much of superhero television is like let's find a little corner we can set a show up in and a lot of times they run out of ideas so quickly and this show is like we have so much more to do until everyone's like now you don't you can stop talking any time Can I make a guess about Lewis and Clark
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, is it that you like Dean Kane's politics?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's he can't fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: No I know Dean Kane.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to hype Dean Kane Like I know he's a bad person I literally fight his politics on an almost daily basis in my life But this show this is the nostalgia factor of when this show came on and from a rom-com factor Pete
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this had the rom-com super hero genre this lowest and Clark was hot and heavy do this was yes, it was
[SPEAKER_00]: Something where I was like, I was watching it when I was like a teenager.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my god, can they combine my interests?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then this right now on network television Sunday night, I believe, on ABC.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were still enough superhero stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: that in, sorry, I mean, or I'm to myself, the progression between a flash and this, of like flash, great super heroics, this real relationships, it felt like they had a real romance here, something that, you know, in the comics, their focus wasn't on that so much and this left off the screen, I felt like back then, the writing and the performances from the
[SPEAKER_00]: The leads including the dean came before he turned into a monster and they still did stuff like toy man and stuff that was cool Yeah Swap thing Pete said it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: This show was like finding a comic book under like a seat in a bus Where was like what the hell is this and you pick it up and start reading like this is enough for me on this bus ride and Check your bus for a comics bro
[SPEAKER_00]: always check under the seat for a random rogue comic.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this show was on the USA network so it's sort of like you're wandering already to find something to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Later on something, they did so many episodes of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they made this, they shot it, I think down south based on the environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: This dude was in a fully rubberized suit, absolutely miserable
[SPEAKER_00]: beat up the villains McGyver style.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show got was so McGyver.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like just he'd step out of the swap and like wrestle a dude a day player at the gun and throw him into the swap.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was hit the mark for me back then on the other side of the spectrum number nine the pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait before you go on I just wanted to give a quick shout out this wasn't on my list but I do want to give a shout out to the
[SPEAKER_02]: very bad at gruelingly boring, but by the time it was canceled and there's this whole thing with like, you know, so it's going to light it around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was gross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was gross and funny at like really actually good horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to follow up, swap thing from the DAD is with something else, try to find those episodes wherever they are, probably YouTube or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's when looking through this, I was like, oh, I never watched any of that,
[SPEAKER_00]: if it was like you're saying if it hasn't said any that spark I would like to watch it straight believe says it was shot in Louisiana it's all you can tell they shop for ever in the out of there it was must have been so cheap to shoot down there back then the 90s of course they made like 60 episodes for the USA television network just and kind of just interrupted jump back real quick just shot to Terry hatcher and and a lowest in Clark you know
[SPEAKER_00]: life-changing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's talk, Penguin.
[SPEAKER_00]: We already talked about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like the modern just a modern excellent show that really was a mini series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a lot of these are ongoing series.
[SPEAKER_00]: That show, even though we may get a second season, that was a show that was like a chunk that they were just doing that and getting out and they played hard in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then star girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a little bit of a homer pick a star man, a fan I'm surprised this didn't make Pete's list over a super girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly at the end because of his love Yes, no, no, you the you love all of them, but I think this this did capture like a
[SPEAKER_00]: the youth side of the character like something we don't see a lot on any of our lists really like is like in a young comic book character a young the really bringing the like that young readership into TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like everyone every mostly shows are going darker and this show sort of went lighter in a way that I I really liked and what was that kids was a Mikey was the brother where's my team oh man he was a Mikey up to yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are our top 10 lists.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to bring up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know we mentioned this earlier But the name changes says no cartoon's like Batman the animated series are just as legal limited teen titans This is only live action that we did here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think we should do a much harder Attipated list at some point, which is going to be even more excruciating this one other than
[SPEAKER_02]: number one, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's just time to end stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's our top five and our top ten of DC Live Actions TV series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for tuning in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what your top five top ten are, either in the comments, or you can shoot them in email.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can chat about it on Discord, love to hear more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, folks, we got more show after this, and we're going to move on to our next section, which is my favorite section, because you make it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is your audience questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for audience questions, all you got to do is drop a question in the comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can be about absolutely anything, and we will get to it at the meantime.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll mention,
[SPEAKER_02]: that usually we have a drink created for the show by Brett McGriss down at Ship to Bowles in New Orleans this week he brought back an old favorite which was a Krypton drink tie into show to Lishy or Silver Six and the Hill in me bro you're killing me yeah just in what are you drinking
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, had a lovely glass of wine that we're over to Pornoni.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have Super Mario Galaxy, a movie I saw this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You took your kids?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I went along.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I went along.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went to see hoppers in Boston, like a week or two ago, in the middle of the day, me and the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was one guy who had gotten a seat all the way in the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: nice just him and i realized halfway through that we ruined his day but he absolutely did because he left midway through to get something delivered to him and i was like oh he just wanted to like watch hoppers and four p.m. on by himself and get really high and then this whole family gave in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now and you drove all the way to Boston to see hoppers because hoppers is the best way to see England.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you gotta see it in Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hot bowl that shall happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hoppers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do the accent up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a BB.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete, what are you drinking?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a lot would need to stay time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Drinking the daytime.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, notes from the Dallas says, what are you most looking forward to tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_02]: Stay tuned for the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We always do the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we definitely will mention that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Schrikler says, is the probably earned enough for a top five.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your favorite shows based on image comics?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I bet there's more than we think, okay, wait, I had the, oh my gosh, there really are, right, here's what we got, ready?
[SPEAKER_02]: Walking dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, all the walking dead shows, powders on the PlayStation network, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why no, no, erp, that was ID-debut, though, that was not image.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's literally less.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on the same list.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's listed outcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy deadly class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We very much Juperous legacy bad paper girls also kind of bad The chosen one Happy no one revival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's let's remember like Miller had that deal at netflix
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, there's a lot more.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a wildcat's animated series.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Max, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Savage Dragon, Todd McFarlane, Spawn, Battle Pope, Generator Rex.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that even?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, 60 episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super dinosaur.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so there's lots of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we could do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe the Max was made?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was on television.
[SPEAKER_00]: When was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: 95.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we were like, it was a perfect time to find that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing, like, finding something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: 14 years old on MTV.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: How is this coming into me?
[SPEAKER_00]: How is this here for me that I would watch the max and then watch the state the sketch comedy Oh, wow, the never better and hour of entertainment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the young flocks and then the max Yeah, you because you were sort of into that shit of the hyper-sexual
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would sneak over to my friend Marissa's house to watch the state because we didn't have Real TV we didn't have cable car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Orlando Kelly Jr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Inspired by Pete's everlasting earnestness.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was he formative comic book series that to find your love of the medium?
[SPEAKER_00]: formative series.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was, you know, Hulk shouts love at the heart of an atom where, you know, he shrunk down to this little world and then meets the love of his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably X-Men for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the one, like I was reading comics for a while before that, but it really wasn't until
[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about this in a million times.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like the mutant masquerque crossover, reading X-Men, and then new mutants, and I don't think I read X-Factor that much, but man, that sucked me in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, particularly the X-Men stuff when I was like, oh my God, Kitty Pride is intangible forever now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: How could they do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is for my answers, a little more my experience in the actual comic, but when I was like younger than the Max was airing, and over the summer, I would be up in the country further in the country where I grew up, where my family's from in the woods.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we could walk like three miles to get to a store that had a spinner ride, gas station.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'd walk that, pick up a couple of comics, and so those comics are very formative, and
[SPEAKER_00]: the Ukrainian vendetta, the Corvac fantastic for annual crossover with the ultimate nullifier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, holy shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that like, we would walk back on these like blazing hot roads, just reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: These gums, I was like, wait till we welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: We always walk nearly into traffic, reading these comics as we walk, love that medium.
[SPEAKER_04]: Almost died for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, also for me a team spewing Ninja Turtles so it was Eastman and Lair because like I was in on the choke The you don't like all the were making fun of the hand by calling it the foot and that kind of stuff I thought it was really just a kind of hilarious idea and well executed
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... stripper looks at what about why the last man you know i thought about putting that on the stage uh... i had we alics and i did a podcast that p took himself out of yes and we didn't like it at the beginning like we're pretty critical of it but really turned around on that show by the end of the season to the point that we have the show runner on and had
[SPEAKER_02]: she was listening to the podcast we had a great chat with her it was she was welcome to the criticism and like with sort of like we had so much more to say yeah uh... with this show and it was it was there's a it's very tall over that in a movie for sure but yeah that was a show that i was really bummed about because it was released a finding its voice by the end of the first season but i don't think i would have put it on by top five or top ten list just because
[SPEAKER_02]: It was slowly working its way toward something good.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... knatses what are your top five massive verse tv shows great question uh... course uh... for no girl read it number five wrote on it number four i can't believe they've had to send it for alex shocking it's that i like the comic better than the tv show of course uh... this is brooklyn is asking what are you gonna come visit this is a little legit question i said in your old son we are do for visit
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a visit to New Orleans harder than any time in my life right now Too much into a three-month-stint solo parenting which is actually worse than any other time and because it's too far in and it is too far out But a hard day's night with a million jobs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing so yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need some straight Nolan sauce in my mood
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hang on there, Justin.
[SPEAKER_02]: The answer Brooklyn is we don't know, but we would all love to come down and visit you at some point for that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another bond me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Extra jalapenos from a boy Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a disaster that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I should have turned for your audience I mean, it a jalapeno Ron Sorry door that Just happened That's what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna move on with trivia and for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna turn over to Pete LePay This apart would get back to the lovely audience.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's an opportunity to win $25 Midtown comics online because why not
[SPEAKER_02]: spend some money on comics you know what i mean i mean that's what we're here for it here they get you into comics because we enjoy it and think it's worth your time great sounds good i'll also mention that if you want to supply trivia we still have it open if you can send us a video of you eating a tire or new york style slice of pepperoni
[SPEAKER_02]: in three bites we'll give you twenty five dollars for that trace also there's a decent frank miller uh... batman cover with batman's feet are over his shoulders if you can send us a picture of you doing that pose that isn't photoshopped also will give you twenty five dollars that's how it's only once only once i'm not going to be that multiple times alice i'm getting word from our lawyer who is uh... saying that's a liability issue yeah yeah well we can do that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if they die, they die, you know, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that should get us out of any loss of dies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we just said it's a great volunteer.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he dies, he dies, claws, so it's all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: A brand and a holder is doing it branded.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were doing trivia, Brandon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, today's trivia is about the comic Hulk smashes everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's small not the legend James Vanderbick, RIP, and shots out to Dawson's Creek.
[SPEAKER_04]: we go question number one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who writes this great comic Hulk smash everything is it A, Ryan North?
[SPEAKER_04]: B, can you get Robert away from me?
[SPEAKER_04]: C, Bobby Shoe?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: I say barbecue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a line from sweet tooth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like that shoe You found a little shoe like he's running around with just one time a little show you're good Alex is crying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh I love him, but I miss him every day Brenda just drop your ooh we gotta answer here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a a is correct?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nice job.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, very nice question number two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who does the impressive art on this fun comic?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hulk's much everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it a Vincentzo Carrot to be nice to all in front of your door?
[SPEAKER_04]: How do we keep missing this guy?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like we were just grazing him with police.
[SPEAKER_04]: See Matt Nicla.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're using him with police.
[SPEAKER_00]: Long way around the barn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a couple of weeks since you've done trivius.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And might be more if we get that video of the pizza eating or the totally League all put in your feet over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I missed it today.
[SPEAKER_04]: A is correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: We go last one, question number three.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the description of this series, it says Hulk questions if he's stronger than everything, including Blake, is it a dinosaurs?
[SPEAKER_04]: B, no, not that Linda, my Linda, the one who rolls deep with an army of renowned warriors.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, Melinda Roya.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, you're getting it's just an interesting headspace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you micro dosing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, super into it Yeah, no, it's it's really you micro plastics
[SPEAKER_02]: Brad, it says, Hey, it is correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, Brandon.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have one, a $25 gift card to Midtown comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shadows an email and we will get that off to you, Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the secret James Vanderbeek movie that you're paying tribute to?
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we're talking about the 1999 movie varsity, both the blues.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we do it folks right there for that reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't attribute it to that movie and a lot of conversations with my brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now here's something we're going to pay tribute to is that new comic books are coming out tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you guys looking forward to in stores?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just can I jump in here because I have one that I I'm literally stealing this from Pete, but headlopper number one is looking good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the idea that they have chosen to publish
[SPEAKER_00]: a larger volume.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been getting it ahead of offer as it's been going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pete has been seeing its prices for a long time now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to sneak a pick from from my man Pete.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you're going to need to surprise when I tell you absolute wonder woman 19.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, uh, you got to be fucking kidding me if you're not reading this fucking comic.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're serious.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is top tier quality fucking comics.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, and in front of
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... great not to spoil anything just anything else uh... yes i can pick some more sorry uh... was taken out of it by our guy p the page amazing spider man proposing the uh... the group saga as we're calling it uh... i have just
[SPEAKER_00]: love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect this to hit as hard as it has, and they've been able to deliver the emotionality.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a major character death in the last issue, and this issue is wrapping it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great cliffhanger at the end of the last issue, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it's paid off.
[SPEAKER_02]: a couple that I'll give a shout out to you looking forward to exquisite corpses number twelve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, they're really heating up and this one is by James time of the fourth in Michael Walls.
[SPEAKER_02]: JP4 created the show created the series so they should be a big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: also really look forward to adventurizing inferno number one Christian Ward knocked it out of the park with the prequel series that was so disgusting and so creepy this is a legit sequel take I can't believe it's coming out so quickly yeah it's crazy event horizon high is out there
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's very cool and I'm also going to be shout out to Cyclops number three We had how I did all on the show a couple of more weeks ago at this point and he's really passionate about the series And so far, I think he's really knocking out of the park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, speaking friends of the show Jordan Morris co-rights
[SPEAKER_02]: spider-versity that's out tomorrow and checking out as well.
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