[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, and welcome to Medium Literate.
[SPEAKER_03]: The podcast where two longtime best friends are trying to sharpen our media literacy skills by talking about a different new release and theaters every week.
[SPEAKER_03]: This week is a little different because the main movie we're talking about is not currently in theaters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Monica sawden theaters.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched it last night on Hulu where it is living currently.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about serot and also just like a bunch of other movies that we happened to see in the last two weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's spoilers for all of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in case you haven't seen but care about
[SPEAKER_03]: mile-end kicks, the Christopher's, and faces of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, honestly, I don't really spoil those that much.
[SPEAKER_03]: I take it back, but definitely spoilers for Sarat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as a reminder, you can go on YouTube and watch a full video episode where you can
[SPEAKER_03]: see us having this conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So uh, here's the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing things a little bit differently this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that differently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we were going to talk about
[SPEAKER_03]: Mother Mary, but regional staggered releases got our ass and you know, to be honest, I don't know how to tell ahead of time when that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, this won't be the last time.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got got.
[SPEAKER_03]: So instead, we are going to talk about Sarat, which is not like new new, but is a new leon.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I believe was a big critical darling.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then we're all, but we're going to start by talking about a bunch of other movies we saw this movie sort of like two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We really divided and conquered the movies over the last week or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we've got a lot to cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Emily, you saw two horrific movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I saw, I'm, well, first of all, I talked about this on Instagram, but I saw
[SPEAKER_03]: loved it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely loved it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I recommend enough?
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I think I liked it better than the drama.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I only compare the two because it's a very obvious comparison because they're both about like school shootings and people considering school shootings and then
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I think there's like way more to chew on with with our hero about the Tsar.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, uh, this kid and in New York who's like a really rich kid who's kind of like a total seemingly sort of innate psycho, uh, good, he who like cries on TikTok for attention a lot and then he starts responding to this like,
[SPEAKER_03]: troll on TikTok and then he has this activist gun activist crush.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then he decides to go to Texas to meet this guy who thinks is going to do a school shooting and try to stop him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is like a very interestingly cast a sub-butter field because he's usually just like the big I'd like British swedy, but he's like this like really poor kid in Texas who his life is just like awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: in America that we'd like to not think about because it's really not fun, but it's, I don't know, I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's my favorite kind of movie, too, is like challenging me to think about something I'm trying not to think about.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I quite enjoy that experience, which feels actually crazy to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's crazy that's crazy to enjoy but I do I like being challenged by a movie and I like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not to be just like inherently too woke, but I do like to be forced to think about stuff that I am like, you know, my day-to-day life gives me blinders, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I would let, you've really talked me into this movie, I want to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you would really like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's such a specific character and it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: it's darker than the drama it's it's sadder but it's also like a comedy um I loved it but then I said from that I saw we're advocating for one movie next I became a movie then I saw Lee Kronen's The Money which you would hate so much
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not advocating the trailer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not advocating for use specifically Monica to see that one because she would be so mad at me.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I told you you had to watch that movie, you would be so mad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so of course that means I loved it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved Lee Frohn and the mummy, I didn't look at any reviews or anything, and so then afterwards, I learned that everyone is hating it so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've only seen negative things for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone hates it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is saying it's so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, it ended and I said, I think that's really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think loved that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was with my friend Kelsey.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, did you like it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, I, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I thought it was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now what did you really like about it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it like the story or just like the scares were really good?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's not even like it's not so much like scary where you're like yeah Oh the tension but it's yeah honestly I'm a really easy mark when it comes to like
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of terms of horror movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I just want to be shocked.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want things that will make me go, oh, look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is like a nasty movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is some nasty little, little scenes of body horror, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it asks one simple question, which is, what if your daughter was the mummy?
[SPEAKER_03]: Something I think we've all asked ourselves and have to reckon with it some point in our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is your daughter?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was the mummy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't know what I would do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard, you know, you think there's a simple answer, but there's not, it's not, it's really complicated.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really a complex situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so, and what is Lee Crone and a name I should know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, have they directed other things?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, evil dead rise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is also very like,
[SPEAKER_03]: nasty, which I did enjoy.
[SPEAKER_03]: But so yeah, it is funny because it's not like, uh, it's not like the grown-in is this like, oh, the grown-in, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was more, um, so that people didn't think it was a remake of the Brendan Fraser money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the main thing I have overheard in movie theater lobbies in the AMC lobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard people walk by the big, like, standy for the movie and go, that's so weird because it doesn't even have Brendan Fraser in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, it looks like it totally differently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I should have probably just been called something else entirely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100%
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is going to be an incredibly stupid question, but is it a universal monster like take okay not so then I'm really confused as to why they called it that yeah, it shouldn't have been called that I assumed it was a universal monster thing is making everyone really confused, but it's it is essentially not even essentially it just is like it's a possession movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but much like, you know, an exorcist style movie, but just with a demon that's not Catholic, which I'm like, yeah, pretty much every culture has demons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get some other demons in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of the Egyptians up too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they got a demon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Many, probably, let's get them in the mix.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it really is just like a possession movie,
[SPEAKER_03]: I love, I don't know how anyone could not be pulled in by the premise, which is just like a family's daughter goes missing, eight years later she's found mummified in a sarcophagus but alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does, yeah, it's like simple enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that there's room for it to be good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I guess I'm like, okay, I don't know if it was good because everyone hates it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I had a great time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed it because, no, there's, yeah, there are some really good moments where it's just like, oh, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and yeah, you truly want to be horrified.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially because the week prior, I saw faces of death, which is just, um, nothing, like it's, it doesn't need to, it's just, it's kind of boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting to me because I liked the premise of a, it's like a moderator, right, for a, yeah, social network or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with yeah, essentially TikTok and then she like comes across these videos where she's like, okay, I think this actually might be like someone really killing someone by recreating scenes from like the original faces of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was one thing I thought was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was spoiler.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I feel like if you were gonna see faces of deaf, anyone listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like anyone who was gonna see a whittest, you know, by now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So spoiler.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, the main character, her sort of little backstory is that like,
[SPEAKER_03]: She, her life is kind of ruined because a few years prior, she was making a TikTok with her sister.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was like her idea where they were essentially doing like a TikTok dance on the train tracks and then you jump off at the last minute when the train comes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then,
[SPEAKER_03]: her sister tripped and got decapitated by the train.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's all on video and the video got leaked.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's gone or responsible for killing her sister and then everyone also recognized as her as like are you the girl from the train video?
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that I thought was like that was like the one thing I liked from the movie because yeah I do like
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like in the sense that it, like, truly horrifies me is things where you're like, oh, yeah, because all of my nightmares are about me accidentally doing something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, accidentally causing something that can like not be undone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like back when my childhood dog was still alive, like up until like 2021, I would constantly have dreams where like accidentally killed her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I put her in a backpack to bring her somewhere and then I opened the backpack and she's like dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and so yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like, you know, in hereditary, like the horror of the accident with the sister, which I guess also, this is both decappable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spoiler, spoiler for hereditary, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: That stuck with me so much because it's like, yeah, that's like my worst fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that was like the one thing I like from faces of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was so just kind of like whatever that then for the money to have some like Genuinely like shocking gross out moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, did you have any relationship to like, or awareness of faces of death as like a concept?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that it's some video that you're supposed to try to track down and it's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had never, I feel like I had like vaguely heard of it, but I had to like Google it to be like, what is that again?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't really like, you know, I've been this way of my life, so it's not something I sought out when I was younger either, but I do remember hearing people talk about it, but I do think it was like before my like teen years as well, but scary concept.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's like sort of interesting to, yeah, bring that into like the TikTok.
[SPEAKER_03]: A, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think there is, I mean, like, I would like, you know, just like a sort of psychological thriller about
[SPEAKER_01]: the torment that content moderators for these apps face because I do think they actually do see like really horrific things and like you know every every so often you'll hear like a
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This American life story about it or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's like an interesting premise or like setting for a solid movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they just read it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They hint at it, but don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: really get into it and if someone were trying to defend this movie, could they say, like, oh, actually your desire for to see something really gross and horrific and like shocking is the point of the movie that people just want to see that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're actually proving the point the movie's trying to make, but to them I would say, okay, but you're literally
[SPEAKER_03]: It should be boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like a horror movie is the safe space to like
[SPEAKER_01]: you know indulge that impulse to want to be shocked in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not seeking out the real decapitation videos or what?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I am certainly not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, interesting roundup.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so I really liked the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I would recommend it because everyone seems to think it sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, I, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, I mean, I think it, yeah, you're a simple gal and you just want to see some upsetting things happen to bodies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it gave me what I wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: It, the whole thing takes place in a very beautiful house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, in Egypt or no.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it in Albuquerque.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's like, it sort of goes between Egypt and Albuquerque, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote that Albuquerque that sister cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That classic direct flight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a good ship between Cairo and Albuquerque that we all know and love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you had a solid solid time at the movies this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so my roundup is I saw all most of the adults in rooms talking movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the Christopher's on Wednesday, which is the Steven, Steven, sodaberg movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a Steven, it's the new Steven, sodaberg movie, and it stars Michaela Cole and
[SPEAKER_01]: Ian McKellen, sir, Ian McKellen, thank you, sorry to you too, the British aristocracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that one was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll spoil it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave every single one of these movies a three and a half stars, which was like above average enjoyment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I may never think about these again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but so it's like, um, Ian McKellen plays this artist who was like a legendary, like, bad boy artist that is aging and Michaela Cole.
[SPEAKER_01]: um, is contacted by someone she went to art school with who is the child of this artist, and she is hired to secretly finish a series of paintings that are in his house so that they can be like accidentally found when he dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: he won't finish the paintings, but this series of paintings called The Christopher's, which is like paintings of a guy named Christopher, are worth millions and millions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, Michaela Cole is went to art school, but is mostly a restore and a forger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she can forge art.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was one of those genre movies where it's like the genre is a younger person be friends and older person and gives their life meaning in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it, but it, like in the end of their life, but it was a sort of like in a very British way,
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't have that American saccharine thing that kind of happens with that type of movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt a little more realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were mean to each other for most of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it was like sweetness for five minutes in the end of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but like you know by the end of the movie like Alex and I were both like sobbing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very like you know sweet ending and I Really enjoyed it I like in Mackellen so much and I just don't feel like I'm not a Lord of the Rings person, so I like haven't watched him in that much stuff But he was really delightful to watch and like there is one scene
[SPEAKER_01]: that I won't spoil, but he is making like a strong decision that is kind of played for laughs and it lasts for like 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was the saddest thing I've ever seen and I think everyone in my theater misunderstood it and was laughing really hard and I was like, what's wrong with you guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: and Alex and I were both kind of like, this movie's really sad and sweet, but sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that I recommend it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like something I would like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, you know, I don't advocate for streaming movies because I don't like watching movies at home that much, but it is a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a good one to like throw on later if it ends up on streaming somewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which, that size of a movie like probably will sooner almost certainly, rather than later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to say, and I'm touching this so, so delicately, but mechanicals,
[SPEAKER_01]: Face has changed quite a bit in the last five years, I would say.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been a lot of people have been talking about this on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is really distracting in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And mainly because,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know what she has done, like I don't know if she has done these changes or you know, I don't know anything about what choices she's made right that landed her with the face she currently has, but I was just really distracted by the fact that her resting face is like a lot of people's intentional serve face and so she'll be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking at looking at something but like it's very like puckery and snatched and like the cheeks go in to such a crazy degree So I don't you know, I don't know what I don't know how she's landed on in the current situation with her face If it's intentional if it's not none of my business, but it was I did find it really distracting and I
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it, you know, then of course sent me into a total spiral about like, should I even be thinking about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this bad?
[SPEAKER_03]: Then she looked different from, um, God, what was the show I watched it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will destroy you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will destroy you something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does she look different?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they didn't make me so to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's the last time I saw her like in action.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting because she is in Mother Mary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the way her features have kind of settled currently is going to make a lot of sense for that world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was just something about this kind of like quiet, intimate, like art world,
[SPEAKER_01]: movie where this type of styling didn't make a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, again, it's not in my business, but I was like a little bit disturbed by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth observing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then the next movie I watched was Mile and Kicks, which is, it takes place in 2011,
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you, the word period beast, the word period beast getting applied to that era really hit me like a knife.
[SPEAKER_01]: everyone is doing a drive-by on me with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as I'm doing you is like the coyote in the hammer, just hitting you, a big mallet, just hitting you on the head that says, be like, I'm going to just flatten, take it easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked my land kicks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like very,
[SPEAKER_01]: accurate in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it, okay, Barbie for Ferrea?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ferrea?
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought there was just Ferrea, just with Ferrea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ferrea, I'm going to go with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed if I feel like it has more ars than I know what to do with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that we both saw, yeah, you might be right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she was in face of the death, so we both saw a movie with her in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the post-Uphoria Barbie Ferreira.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry if I'm saying that wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she, I loved her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved her in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you felt about her performance in faces of death or if she, you know, maybe I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about spine or she was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was perfect for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has like the exact right look for the book, you know, obviously is why she was cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, everything she wore is fucking movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I had that exact.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is exactly what I looked like in 2011.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is she wearing skinny jeans?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's summer so there's not that many jeans.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of like dresses.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole plot line with the Tom's Tom's shoes wedges with a little Pito.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, those years were my early to mid 20s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, she looks great.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why we stopped wearing any of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: She plays a music critic that moves to Montreal for the summer to write a 33 and a third, which is those like short books about a specific album, which even the 33 and a third is such a specific
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned 20, 10's reference, like you'd always see those in used bookstores, um, but, uh, and so that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She like meets a band, then she kind of like is crushing on band guys and has a coming of each story.
[SPEAKER_01]: What over the summer?
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say this movie is an immersive being in your 20s, coming of age experience, complete with like,
[SPEAKER_01]: having way too many dialances with the same shitty band guy who is like not nice to you once yet she keeps going back that would like by the end of the movie Alex and I both were like that was like three too many scenes of like this guy stucking so much and she's just like
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but that's what that is what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sure is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I can watch it again because it I, I, it's like painful to watch a young woman make the wrong decision over and
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, woman who looks too much like me, but while I was watching it, I was like this does feel very accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love watching this so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say, I've seen a lot of like internet, like reviews of it where they're like, oh, it like perfectly, it's like perfect indie sleigh's movie and, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: One, nobody was calling it Indie-sleece.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the time, just worth observing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I feel that 2011 is post-Indie-sleece current hipster.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like Indie-sleece was more when I was in middle school.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 2008.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I mean, that's when Indiesley is never a phrase that existed back then, but the Indie was.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, the idea of Indie started at least in my world, in Lincoln Middle School, literally started with Juneau.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, yeah, I could see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was one event and that event was Juneau.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then that's when we all became aware of the idea of like Indie, yeah, it came a little bit earlier for me, which makes sense, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on my 20s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I should have been ahead of middle schoolers.
[SPEAKER_01]: What school?
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, only a little bit ahead of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, that I also remember during that time being indie, like being considered indie mattered to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it's like I wasn't a musician, I wasn't...
[SPEAKER_01]: but just sort of having the like correct aesthetics and correct like set of tastes, which has set me up to continue to have these tastes in a way that is probably annoying and considered like two millennial or something by a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, this movie was a fun reflection of all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was never in the...
[SPEAKER_03]: You watching this movie very euphoria is the fucking play about us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's funny because like I wasn't really indie music like I liked indie music but I wasn't like in that scene in any meaningful way other than like sometimes going to shows but you know
[SPEAKER_01]: By 2012, I was in the Indicomedy scene, and I feel that there's like there is a one to one in terms of like the shitty situations you get yourself in, it's a way men were allowed to talk about women during those years, like the final years that That women didn't generally seem to know that they could be really angry about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're being a cool girl was like so important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Were you just go, hi, hi, this is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it comes up in this, it comes up in the movie a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, man, yeah, like, I can't believe how much crazy stuff I would just tolerate because I'm like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no cultural roadmap to me being angry about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then the last movie I saw was normal, which I don't know if that much to say about, but the star's Bob Odenkirk and it's an action movie as it's out is it related to nobody or just different it is it is related in that it has I believe the same definitely the same writer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it have the same director to I'm looking I'm looking I'm making sure that I don't lie no not the same director, but it does have the same writer so I think that I mean that writer also wrote John Wick so okay and then all the subsequent John Wick and the spin off in the TV show and the animated so he is just a he's an action writer yeah I would say that normal is
[SPEAKER_01]: a live action anime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's kind of what it felt like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, the premise is that Bob Odenkirk had some issue, he's a sheriff, and he had to like leave his town.
[SPEAKER_01]: four reasons that aren't even that interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to leave his town and so he takes a temporary interim sheriff position because a sheriff in this town died.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're not having the election for a couple more weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's just the interim sheriff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this town, they have a
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, I made a deal with the Yakuza that the Yakuza has an issue where they make too much money in America and they can't get it out fast enough so they need banks that will like participate with them in exchange for a payoff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they paid off the entire town to protect their stash in the town bank.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bob Odenkirk is the only one in town that's not in on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so the kickoff of the events is that a couple comes into town and decides to rob the bank.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bob Bowdoin Kirk is like, oh, I had a nice, he Bob Bowdoin Kirk like earlier, like five minutes earlier, head had a nice encounter with the girl in the couple robbing the bank.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he sees her in the house like anyone notable.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have never seen them before, but they were the best, they were like the two of the best character actors I think in the movie outside of like Henry Winkler playing the mayor or whatever was funny, but essentially he like sees them in there and he's like, oh, I can negotiate like I've met them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know how to talk to these people and as he goes into the bank his own
[SPEAKER_01]: police force shoots at him because they just want to like end all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Yakuza doesn't come.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that kicks off a war between Bob Odenkirk and the entire town.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the bank robbers help Bob Odenkirk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the that's the premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like one of these like a guy has defied his way
[SPEAKER_01]: to get to an end point, it had a lot of anime feeling, like it was very like loony tunes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like very cartoonish, like some of the explosions and the ways people die are like funny and crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but it was meaningfully funny and the action, in the way you enjoyed the mummy, where it was like the horror properly or like a lot of the action properly made me go,
[SPEAKER_03]: We both just want to gasp.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just both want to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to be shocked and the girl wants and this world is to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that you know what is an ideal transition into
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Sarat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarat came out at the end of last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was up for an Oscar maybe two And I think it was a different international did it and sound the same the palm door or a different thing at con
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like the talk of one of those, okay, European festivals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if it was Con or Venice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can, Con.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I, I have heard people be quite mixed on Sarat, so I am dying to know what you thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I, I had, so you saw, when it was in theaters, yes, and I, which months, months ago, a month ago, yeah, it was in February.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it in New York at the Nighthawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was dying, the only thing I wanted to do in New York was go to the Nighthawk cinema.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went three times.
[SPEAKER_01]: in four days.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I watched it last night at home.
[SPEAKER_03]: So very different experiences, very different, recent sea of us both seeing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had only heard about it from, like, I hadn't looked up any reviews or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I only knew like, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: man is going through the desert sort of like rave circuit in Morocco looking for his daughter.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought this was going to be a very different type of movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was going to be like, I don't know, like almost like a weird sort of like,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I thought it was going to be like, let's take the Odyssey and then put it in this kind of setting where this man goes through all these different sort of trials and tribulations and whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: The daughters essentially are relevant.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad we're talking about it because you've had so much more time to think about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm almost like, I really don't know what to make of this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was interesting for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting, it's very like, already.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is an unconventional sort of structure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't say it made me feel anything emotionally, but it definitely shocks you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It made me, I think, okay, just start.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I looked up like, what is the deal with this kind of ray of circuit and online it says this is very different than burning man culture this this European version of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're pretty much everyone involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, is European.
[SPEAKER_03]: So okay, I acknowledge it's different than burning man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I acknowledge this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Still going into it I am approaching as I'm sure many people are this this type of person is Is the type of person that I have a lot of trouble respecting He's a pusher.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't say I like I
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an uphill battle to get me to respect or like this type of person who just their whole life is doing drugs and dancing to this type of music in the desert.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very not to be all pure and tannical about it, but it's very like hedonistic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is this weird innate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what annoys me about it is that I think these people tend to think that they are better or more enlightened or have figured life out more than everyone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what annoys me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that person would probably look at you in the same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that there is, um, and, you know, maybe I'm conflating these people unfairly with like the Los Angeles like conspiratualist community.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I have never heard that word, but really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I immediately knew who you were talking at with, but there's
[SPEAKER_03]: that thinks they're a drug addict in a way that's actually good and smart, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or it's like, they love to do drugs and it's like, okay, hey, everyone do what you wanna do but it's like, they're like, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's never doing drugs, it's always, I went on a journey.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had an experience where, you know, I went on a journey and it's like you did drugs with your friends and that's fine, but let's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yes, yeah, that element and then from the beginning, you know, it's kind of interesting we never know the real situation with like the family with the dad and the son like you never hear about the mom like you don't know what their deal is, but from the get go I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: He shouldn't have brought this kid on this journey, you know, like, yeah, that proves to be so true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so I'm like, am I judgmental, like, am I being small minded to think that like, he's being kind of one track minded in a way where, you know, he's he, honestly, if we're being real.
[SPEAKER_03]: that I understand why he doesn't want to accept this, but like the daughter's probably not alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, she's probably not.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to find her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then to put your remaining child who's also like young in to bring him into this dangerous situation,
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're essentially like putting her theoretical life above his very real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, irresponsible decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and I, it's funny because when I was watching it, I think I just assumed, does the mom get mentioned ever?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is interesting because especially after the big thing happens, you're kind of like,
[SPEAKER_03]: If there was a mom, you would think he would be like, oh my god, how am I going to tell his mom?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I assumed there's no mom in the picture and that there's some kind of like, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I guess I assume there's like a financial instability and that it, that they just,
[SPEAKER_01]: at home to care for any way so he just like takes the son on this journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what am I basing that on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that that maybe that's like a bad American like perspective thing that I'm just like, oh, they're probably poor and it's what, like I don't know why I thought that, but that is what I thought when I was watching it, I assumed there was also a, you know, not nomadic, but like some sort of,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we just have to find this daughter and then get the family back together and Spain somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I have a similar perspective on this culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I do think I would assume that burning man is emulating the aesthetics of burning man is emulating this culture and not the other way around.
[SPEAKER_01]: that and like Native Americans or like, you know, whatever, whatever, like insane mixture of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Burning Man people are taking from, um, Burning Man also like, I think has made this type of scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feel really hard to respect in America, but I do think like, yeah, the club culture in Europe and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess North Africa as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just there in Morocco.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I can't tell if there's like a mix of Moroccan people at the Stavuller if it's all Europeans.
[SPEAKER_03]: It kind of like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it's mostly various Europeans just like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, so it's like, is that then a weird version
[SPEAKER_03]: call anization, but it's like they are treating this other country as a playground, but they think you're doing it in a more noble way or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, which I think is like a core disagreement or like issue in the world in general right Americans do this places but so do Europeans and European summer culture is like also just as like destructive and bad in places so You know we're all doing it to each other Except for Africa and Asia which is like please leave us alone please stop coming here
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I am naturally inclined to like not love this culture either and I don't, you know, I'm a total square, it doesn't do any drugs and like, doesn't really like that vibe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found that I cared about these people or like that they were sweeter.
[SPEAKER_01]: They earned more empathy for me than I think I would have expected at the beginning of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: No thanks, none of this is for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found that they were sweet with each other, they were sweet with the dad in a way that like, humanize them to me, enough that I cared a lot by the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where it's like, yeah, when you're actually then with them is like, individuals, like, it's different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the way they care about each other
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the kid and the way they like are teaching him things and there was something sweet about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also went into this movie totally blind because that is what people said.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when at the time when it was still in theaters like the like movie talkers or whatever we're making videos where they were like, go see this movie go in totally blind.
[SPEAKER_01]: In theaters, the immersion and the sound design of the experience of the movie, I was like, I actually would have loved to have known ahead of time that I was going to have a fucking gut-wrenching time for like 45 minutes of this movie because I also thought, I had seen one trailer where I was like, oh, it's like adventure in the desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, I guess it kind of is, um, but it's like, oh, an adventure in the desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a dad looking for his daughter, it's taken, but the dad isn't like a, can't do, can't fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really not what it is at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is really like a, and I guess maybe the title card where they explain the concept of serrat is like the,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been long enough that I can't quite, it's like the Arabic word for the road to hell or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the road to heaven, which is as thin as a hair and as sharp as a sword, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so what I took that as is like if you're trying to get to like heaven essentially,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a narrow, the possibility of falling is so much higher, and I took it, I should have looked into this further, but to get to have in your probably going to fall into hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that, like, you're on a razor's edge, hanging out for hell, essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's a sign of, I think, the experience you're going to have in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty into it though when they were like, all starting to get along.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I was like, this is like pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the first major twist happens, like right as they're
[SPEAKER_03]: settling in, which also like, was shocking, I kept, I did feel up to that point this tension where I kept waiting for something bad to happen to, yeah, the, we'll first to the dog, but then to the kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I kept expecting it to happen like, oh, it's going to happen here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's going to happen here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, but then it happens in such a bigger, grander way than you ever imagine that it's yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my fucking God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was also lulled into a sense of safety at a certain point when it finally happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I had been lulled into like, okay, no, I'm like on edge waiting for one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But actually, this is a movie about how you shouldn't judge people by, or something, and people are actually better than you expect.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And why?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was expecting something to bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there were, here are all the points I was expecting, something bad to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one, I fully expected the dog was going to be dead when they couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_03]: then when they're driving behind them and they're all like leaning out the window passing the joint and the kid is like, they're awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I expected from our viewpoint and the kid in the dad's car that one of them was going to fall off and get smushed and they would see that and be like, oh my god, and then the kid would be traumatized.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then when they're like on the mountain road, we're ultimately everything does end up happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, okay, he's the kid's gonna just fall off the side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or when he's playing with the dog in the car, he's gonna pull the thing too far.
[SPEAKER_03]: The dog's gonna jump out the window over the cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I thought maybe the truck would go back and he would get smushed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there were a lot of things I thought Are you gonna happen, but then but then they kept not happening and they will see the kid for a few scenes And then I'm like, okay, sweet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's a type of idea Yes, but no, but no, then they are on a cliff and here's the the first ultimate spoiler The cart now cracking from wrong the car
[SPEAKER_01]: He jumps, he gets into the car on the cliff, the dad tells him to wait in the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the dad and then the car will soft the cliff with the kid and the dog in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just rolls backwards and then you just hear clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk as it hits every fucking rock on its way down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a crazy turn because that tone wasn't there before, and it's so sad and so tragic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which I mean, yeah, I mean, I feel like it hits so hard because it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: The in movies that always is when it's really horrifying is because that's how like life happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like everything is normal and then one life-shattering thing just happens and that's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And acted beautifully, I think, by all the people in the scene, like I really felt it, the dad's pain, and then all the people kind of feeling horrible and comforting the dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, so I remember looking up an interview with the director and he is like this beautiful Spanish guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you looked up a picture of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of her lashe, I think, is his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like L-A-X-E.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is like a Spanish guy with like a long straight hair who attends these festivals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of the dad, I believe these are all not actors, but people he met at festivals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they certainly look it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like they are acting performances were really incredible, knowing that piece of information, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I found everyone really natural and believable and they, like, there was real emotion in the scene where the sun dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the sun dies, the movie has taken a turn, and now it's like, this grief journey, it's like really painful and sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... as they're like journeying through the desert um... and yeah heartbreaking also just generally as i'm watching those scenes looks like a fucking brutal shoot like they're just really in those deserts
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were a lot of scenes where I'm like, this literally just looks like you could insert this scene into like Fury Road.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah, I mean, this sandstorm scene was a real sandstorm, and they were just shooting in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, there is like nothing cooler looking than like,
[SPEAKER_01]: bunch of cars racing through the desert like I just love that vibe and but then yeah when there's like the amps and stuff amps and the desert are just like Mad Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just yeah I really haven't really just got my X energy and then the other shocking scene happens like maybe 20
[SPEAKER_01]: and they're like trying to help the dad with his grief and they're like, you just have to like let this insane pulsing music pulse through you and dance it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't say that, but that's what they're telling him to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was genuinely the most shocking scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like, there's no world where I thought this was gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a fucking movie theater, this was the craziest experience I've ever had.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was like, I had seen this on the theater, honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're dancing, the music is pulsing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This movie is really good at making this music same, more interesting than I would normally find it, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the shot, like I was into it in the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, yeah, this is fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're dancing and you're watching them dancing and the desert is beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then one of the sweeter, the sweetest character, the main one of the festival people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, is dancing and she's like trying to tell the dad to like, turn the music up like let it go and then she fucking explodes suddenly.
[SPEAKER_01]: She just said in love and it was the most shocking thing I've ever seen, I just didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the point, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so upsetting and so shocking and then her like lover or who I think the the like guy that she was like partnered with it seemed like screaming and runs to her and then he also explodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so jaw-dropping in the theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: They realize they're in a mine field and then it's like tense, essentially, for the next 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I alone in my house said, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he explodes and I said, oh my fucking god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just never seen, it's not like I haven't seen like a mine field come up in a movie before, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything about this movie and the way this story was told, I've been like, I think Bravo, I've never seen anything like this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it is really insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's good or bad, but it's people have really mixed experiences with it, but I think it's impressive that it was so shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so shocked by it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's this also, I feel like something that is
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting about this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: So sort of quickly becoming like a true life or death situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's, like, I, I even before thinking that the kid could possibly, you know, roll off a cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, these people are saying, your car is not good enough to go through this terrain.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you stand in the desert, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: you and your kid are going to starve, but before that, you're going to die of thirst.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, two day, like it's, you know, this is a dangerous situation, but, and then of course, there's some sort of massive war that has started in the background, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the fact that these people, this whole journey is just to go to another fucking rave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not in some life or desecuation.
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't for some noble reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's literally to go fucking do drugs and dance in the desert, in another location.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is the most frustrating part of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't feel like the movie sees it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the director sees it that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because I just kept it, especially because it's, it's made very clear in the beginning that these are all people who could have left very easily because the, the army that comes in, they're like, it is a state of emergency,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, please come this way.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to go home, right where it will be safer for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And all of these people are EU people.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all had the opportunity to go home that all the people actually living in Morocco do not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, no, we have to go to this fucking
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really upsetting and then they turn off news about the where they're totally ignoring it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're just trying to act like it's like not happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to get to this party.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I really I find I mean, it's it is the inherent thing in like I just don't really like this lifestyle or this type of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't want to say this type of people because I can like any type of person, but but these, these choices really frustrate me in the real world, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If I need real people that were doing this, I'm like, grow up, get a job is my vibe.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably not great, but that is like what I feel when I'm faced with this type of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, by the end of the movie, I wasn't it's only when I take a step back out of the movie that I'm like, yeah, I fuck this I just like this I kept I kept just going like these fucking dipshits
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and by the, there's no sort of like resolution in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like they get through the minefields.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and now they're just on foot in the desert and the movie ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, you know, three people survive and then it's like, good luck guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then they're on the train with a bunch of,
[SPEAKER_03]: We, I think are supposed to assume refugies from this war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like this whole time and not that the dad did have a purpose, like he was it misguided, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he just had a purpose in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: But all of them just, well, not all of them, because most of them are dead, but it's like, they end up just on a train with, as, as refugees, just when they were trying to like ignore this whole geopolitical situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're trying to, they were trying to, sorry, they were trying to prioritize their fun and like, and they end up in the same situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The juxtaposition is like frustrating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're trying to like escape the real the real world real issues, but it comes for them in the form of like, yeah, a fucking mind field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, the movie, how did it leave you feeling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I still, if I think about the end of the movie and walking back from the movie, I just was like unsettled.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, because also maybe this is another judgmental thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what else, because there's nothing for them to do in this situation and everyone's in shock, obviously, but like, you know, I almost feel like they weren't upset enough about the deaths.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, even dad, I don't, he seemed upset enough for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, he seemed pretty upset, wasn't he?
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, he was catatonic for like, in the immediate aftermath, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He just sort of like, shepherd him into a van and they're like, and he's just sort of like weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he cries in a sandstorm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he tries to die in that sandstorm was how I read that, and then he doesn't die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just walk he's the one that walks straight through the minefield again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just not giving a shit if he dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the other ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of stoic and in the same way they're avoiding the war stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like avoidant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it's also interesting that like, uh, after the after Estabon, the Sun dies, they're like, okay, we got to find help, but it's like, and then they're like, there's that that goat shepherd young young man that they see who's like, no, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they try to like get in on the radio and it's like, one.
[SPEAKER_03]: There there's no help help in what capacity the kids dead, you know, but also it's like If there's they refer to it as world war three, it's some point What are you expecting to happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's part of the them ignoring it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you're on some random radio being like hi help us
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it sounds like the world worth three is happening in the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you expecting?
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no help.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, make a life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Become a goat farmer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like you want to escape society.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then when something happens, you're like, help.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, well, you are choosing to not be a part of society because society is unpleasant at this moment in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: It is still a fact thing, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, I just now thought about like, I obviously watched this and not to bring like a real current events into it too much, but just like the headspace that the last couple of weeks has put me and I think everyone in America in and probably internationally is weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that stuff on your mind when you were watching this movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: because it wasn't happening yet when I watched, I mean, other than, you know, the stuff that has already been brewing for years.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, yeah, I mean, totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think it's, yeah, everything where it's just like, yeah, the idea of the personal versus the,
[SPEAKER_03]: the world and what the balance is and how it's easier from the outside of you like oh wait yeah that's really fucked up and but then there's also like yeah as you've got to know the care you don't really get to know the characters like that's the thing you never really know much about any of these people but it's like the fact that
[SPEAKER_03]: have they been through something crazy, traumatic?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then this is how they have chosen to like, deal with their PTSD and does that make it more valid?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, and I don't know the answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's interesting though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that
[SPEAKER_01]: The amount that this movie has made me think, even though I left unsettled and feeling kind of like weird and not positive that the movie knows all the things that I think it should know about itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the way it has made me think in the way, like, I've been advocating for us to do this movie for a long time, even though I think it was probably already added theaters by the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it just, it leaves you with so much and it was such a shocking experience that I think it's valuable and I would recommend anybody watch it even though- Yeah, I mean, it's an incredibly shocking.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an interesting movie, like I feel like that's undeniable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it stuck with me more than, like I saw all the international ones last year and this is the one that really, really stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, could it not?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in that sense, I guess the go and blind people were right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did wish I had some sense that it was going to be like incredibly upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I recommend this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it was, I was glad that I, even though it's been so long, I somehow went in blind as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because, actually, I did not know that anything shocking was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought it was a completely different type of movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, truly the fact that the daughter is like, it's not about the daughter at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not even really.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, the dogs were really cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dog, yeah, dogs were cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the festival scene and that that opened the movie that was kind of long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to, I was like working a couple days after watching the movie and I was like, oh, maybe I'll listen to that soundtrack because it's like ambient music or whatever and I was like, you evil, the soundtrack is too evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, classic, you know, everyone loves a movie where like the title card comes up 32 minutes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone loves that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's always fun and exciting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the, the whole first scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just kept thinking I was like, wow, I really cannot imagine a worse time for me personally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the worst time a girl like me could possibly have would be being in a place like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like to be dirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate this type of news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really interesting with I like, I don't usually like that type of music either, but in like, I need for that type of music to have a context because like in the context of it, I was like, okay, this is like kind of, I'm starting to get into this, but if I just heard that music playing, I'm like, no, we're just in the theater going.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was grooving at the Nighthawk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, what was I going to say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Eh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Eh.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got, oh, I liked, um, in the incredibly tense last, uh, landmine scene where they're, one, another guy has exploded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry to guy has exploded the man in leggings, uh, which I was just like, God, this fucking guy in these fucking leggings, uh, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: He follows the steps that she has not triggered a landline.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he explodes anyways.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then the last two are Boopo Boopoopoopoop and they decide to go blind, like they're like, let's close our eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did think it was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my, just like, the dog doesn't know the context of the scene or what a dog and real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the guys holding the dog and the dog just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: long shot on the three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, yeah, the dogs are just having a nice time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, he's just like, thirsty, I love thirsty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love to be held.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with my mommy and my daddy, um, but yeah, really interesting crazy movie, um, oh my gosh, did I talk about my popcorn past next week?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'll talk about it real quick because I did use it very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: My AMC popcorn past is the best investment I've ever made in my entire life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a 401k, but I do have a popcorn past.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I said 29.95 on it at the beginning of the year, and then once a day, which is all you really need every single day, I can get a large popcorn for half price, which is 575, which is really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've read it like four times like no, a list, every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I love to get a large popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never eat, I don't even eat half of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, my mouth gets like bored of the popcorn at a certain point that I'm like, okay, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at 575, who cares?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I could just have as much popcorn as I want.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then, I got a large popcorn, but the best benefit is how generous I can be
[SPEAKER_03]: is what I can hold it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I say hello.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you like me to trough you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you like a trough?
[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone loves it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone loves being trough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I love to be the trough fairy, where, you know, they get a trough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what is a trough is at that box that you can get at the movies?
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly what it is, non-negative.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it because with the large popcorn you can be like hey can I get my refill now and so then I got my large popcorn and then I'm like can I get the refill now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Troph my friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: All for then they get their very own big box of popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: you're living like a king.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes me feel like a million air just sprinkling my friends with popcorns.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it works out for me because I really don't like sharing popcorn because I have a system and the system does not lend itself to sharing so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, if you're listening on audio, this is where you should switch to video, Emily, please can we get an example of the system?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, imagine a lizard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to use this new yorker that got accidentally delivered to my house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, actually, it's my, my thing, my address isn't on there because it was accidentally delivered to my house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, nobody, everyone has to promise they're not going to green screen me eating ass if I do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, everyone has the pinky promise, but nobody's going to use this green screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do me eating ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I say it with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all promise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put down the mic for a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so listeners, she's holding up the New Yorker like it is a little bag of popcorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she sticks her tongue out and dips her face into the bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how she eats.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how I eat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's sort of like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's just very much like a lizard eating flies where I just stick my tongue out and I grab one piece of popcorn at a time with my tongue and I think everybody does this on the way to the theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think I do this too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll like steal a little nibble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the lizard at onto the tongue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing this while you're sitting in the theater, though, as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is how I exclusively the popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: My little thing is never touched the popcorn, never the thing is and popcorn, never the two shell meats in my world.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you say you only eat,
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of the way into the thing is that because you can't put your whole face into the.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because once it gets down, I sort of will just shake also to turn it and then like shake a bunch to the edge.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can, because with the large popcorn, I'm never eating the whole thing with like, I used to, my system used to be getting the kids pack because that's the only one that got like a little popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that I would eat the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, you just, at some point, it's horizontal and you just shake it to the edge.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: In this way, my fingers don't get greasy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate the greasy fingers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not no fun for me, the greasy fingers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, I don't know why I just think it tastes better.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's probably not true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say me at the one at a time just tastes so much better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's the only way I really like, I enjoy popcorn so much less if I'm having
[SPEAKER_03]: you know I'm like oh and so with sharing you have to do that and it's just like I just want to be me you know I'm sure maybe maybe me and that's the the trough comes in as we can each just have our own popcorns I know I will say I do like listen Alex and I my husband and I we also do a variation of the trough
[SPEAKER_01]: where I get my popcorn in the in the box, and he gets his in the bucket.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do the immediate refill.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's because of a difference in butter preferences.
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking hate movie theater butter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why it doesn't take, I mean, so I don't ever really have the greasy fingers problem because I don't get the butter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like it to be salty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did the butter?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just too greasy tasting or something and it's made sense that you get the box because the problem with the box is it doesn't hold the butter as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like you can't put it on your lap because you would get grease on your pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't matter to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not a part of my lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys should have come.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Cornpah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't always go to AMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to landmark like half the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And landmark has those little shakers, where you could put a flavor on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But AMC, those cost money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to buy a whole one, which is like.
[SPEAKER_03]: So weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like 70 popcorns.
[SPEAKER_03]: At least.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird that they're selling something where the implication is that like, you're just going to carry that around in your purse.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so strange, like selling a bottle of debats.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't, we don't do the one at AMC, but at landmark, they just have them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could just sprinkle a little of the flavor you want on there and go on with your day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this has made me so hungry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like, I will just get because it's only 575.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will just get the popcorn even when I'm like a little bit hungry now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, that's like the cheapest thing you can get.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sheeper than candy, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do prefer actually, you know, I almost always go to AMC because it's, I'm already paying for it with, oh, my, my many passes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do actually prefer the popcorn in the butter at the vista and the lowest feel is three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there is.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to sound kind of gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I don't know how else to say it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope someone knows what I mean, their butter has like a milky quality to it, but it is a dairy product.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It tastes milky or yeah, maybe it's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: probably not, but whatever chemical mix they're using, I wave refer to the AMC one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wish you had that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see it being real butter at the vista because isn't that the Tarantino owns that one now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about the three.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's a small
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see that being real butter, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just could just be slightly closer to real butter whereas the AMC is using Whatever that like orange bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the absolute cheapest possible, but, you know, it still is
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still popcorn and I'm a popcorn gal and it's just nice to have a salty time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is and it's like, yeah, thank god for the trough system because like it would be such an asshole move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you imagine if I was like always getting a large popcorn in the me like, no, I can't share actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't have any of these because because my tongue's going to be all up and
[SPEAKER_01]: I do prefer your tongue method to what I see a lot of people do, including maybe some people go to the movies with all the time, who live in my house, which is like paniced fistfuls that are being eaten where like your fingers end up in your mouth, that's not my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't watch someone eat popcorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: So beyond greasy fingers, that's just, like, Just like greasy vans are coming at you like I'm gonna touch your hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, it could be, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, listen, I'm joking that Alex does that, but I've seen a lot of people do it and it's a very like, hey, chill.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all yours kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: So many people do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's actually like the classic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's either the fingers up and up, or someone just going like, I'm just like, yeah, it's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tend to take one kernel or two kernels at a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's maybe just to slow myself down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I do it, but I just like to crunch a little kernel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you ever, okay, last question about the popcorn past, and then, you know, we've gone longer than usual, um, do you do you, do you ever just go to AMC and by popcorn without saying a movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people do that around here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that I know just because I'm like, I really only want AMC popcorn in the context of like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like pretty much anything at AMC is not delicious enough for me to just want on its own, but in the context of it's like, oh, and I'm in the dark watching a big screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It becomes like, yeah, times more delicious, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I'll be having some popcorn soon because we're going to the movies this afternoon to see Lauren.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I have to talk about it next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably will not be seeing it if I'm being so real with you and our listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like my favorite kind of documentary is like a show business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dock is a history of some show business thing documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: So usually, so that's why we're going to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, listen, we've we've done a lot today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've covered a lot of ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is all for this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, someone might say that it was like, you know, when people put like M&M's in their popcorn and it's just like a whole bunch of shit in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just kind of like this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a whole bunch of shit in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And next week we'll be doing Mother Mary for real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, probably unless we change our minds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: medium-literate was created and produced by Monica Scott and Emily Fay.
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