[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 210 is sitting here with Echo Charles.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've received some questions from the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have some answers, some recommendations, and some courses of action for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, yeah, the first question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I've been struggling with this with the balance between quote unquote walk away and don't look back and taking ownership after break up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Max with my ex was using cradom products, which I think contributed to his mental health issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started having sleeping problems hallucinations saying he could see demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: started having and then delusional beliefs about those hallucinations.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to get him professional help but one day while taking off the bedding to wash I found his loaded gun under his pillow pointed at my side of the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He dismissed my concern about it so
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried turning it away from me or putting it in the nightstand but it kept putting it back under the pillow and pointed it towards me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt unsafe so I decided to leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told both his brother and his pastor the full story and asked them to help him and I've cut off communication.
[SPEAKER_00]: but I've wondered if walking away and not looking back is the right call for situations like this or if I need to take more ownership and action to get them help.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I even wondered if I should have stayed.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friends have varied opinions and I go back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So could you please offer advice about breaking up with someone who is addiction or mental health struggles?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the same breakup protocol or is it different?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't need to do anything else here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a totally unsafe situation with a mentally unstable person that is hallucinating about demons and has firearms.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, this is, just go away and stay away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not look back, do not, this is terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terrible situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, you got out of it and carry on with your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just keep this in mind too.
[SPEAKER_01]: This interesting temptation too.
[SPEAKER_01]: quote unquote help them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll actually just hurt them more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to enable it there behavior.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to give them a false sense of hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to put you at more risk.
[SPEAKER_01]: It keeps them in a code dependent like unhealthy mental state.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not good across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you absolutely just do not communicate with this person ever again.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you feel so compelled out of the goodness of your heart that you have some care, then do it through like a third party cutout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a couple degrees of separation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you want to call someone who can call the cops to check on him,
[SPEAKER_01]: So the cops are a cutout and then the person that you called is a cutout and it's never going to get back to you But even that I would barely I wouldn't recommend it I think you need to break away break contact completely This person should never hear your name again.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the way it is and they certainly should not see your face or hear your voice or anything like that And As far as taking ownership goes
[SPEAKER_01]: You've already taken ownership, you recommended mental health, you reported what was going on to his brother and his pastor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the right thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you take ownership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Taking ownership is not getting yourself killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not the right thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: If someone is drowning and you jump in the water and you drown too, you have not helped that person.
[SPEAKER_01]: So taking ownership of this situation means that you know that you've done what you can and you need to walk away and not look back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Taking ownership means knowing that there's nothing else you can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to help this individual with their mental problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be able to, that's not your job, that's not your world.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where you're at, do not destroy your own life to try and save someone that needs to take ownership of their own life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the protocol is not different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walk away, don't look back.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty straightforward.
[SPEAKER_01]: See for it of cratum.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've heard of it, but I don't really know too much about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's isn't something that you can buy in like a 7-11 or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was one of those kind of semi-legal drugs, or at least it was legal when it first came out or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from what I understand, which is not much, it's some kind of like stimulant type scenario, like people work out, I think use it sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, like a pre-workout or something like that's the context I have heard it but but yet gems you have real bad from what I understand like super addictive like physiologically addictive so like if you get off of it you have like these weirdo withdraw stuff like symptoms and stuff like that like bad like not the kind of like you get off coffee or something like this and then you get like some headaches or so it's not that it's like way worse you know it's like that kind so it's like kind of dangerous from what I understand but I never even heard of
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when it kind of made it into the news and the reason it was in the news was it was something that hadn't been declared illegal yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone invented a new drug like a gray area.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a gray area and then they kind of made it illegal from what I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know too much about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently if it's giving you hallucinations where you see demons like it's bad and this is not a good situation for this woman to be in at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, could be the kind where you might have some pre-existing conditions for sure, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seems like a red flag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you have pre-existing mental health issues and then you go.
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