[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jocco podcast number five, 37.
[SPEAKER_00]: With echo trolls in me, Jocco willing, a good evening echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a common question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we asked ourselves on a bunch of different levels?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you might say it about your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might say it about your job.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might say what's going on with my family right now or what's going on with my job right now or what's going on with my life right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a good question to ask, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question to ask, because it's a good way to take inventory kind of where you are and what your goals are and what the scenario is that's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you need to do to execute on those things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's, but if you think about a little bit, there's in those particular cases, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: In your job and your family and your particular life.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a level of, I don't want to maybe use the word certainty, but there is some level of certainty about what's happening in your job and in your family and in your life, because you're in it, and so you can see it, you can hear it, you can touch it, you can feel it, but even with that,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's difficult to know what's going on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: To really know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's because, you know, we have our own emotions, we have biases, we have our perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't always tell the truth, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't always say what they mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't always hear what they say, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say something to me and I take it a different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: That happens And then I have my perspective in my brain that morphs what you said into something else or what I saw into something else and
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we make bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: We make bad decisions based on our own inability to compute what is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can watch people do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You watch people from the outside, and it's so clear what is going on, but they can't see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We make bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we can't accurately interpret what is going on in front of our own eyes, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Despite what we see, despite what we hear with our own ears, it can be challenging.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because let's face it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If everyone was just making perfect decisions based on the actual scenario that they were in, everyone's life would be that much better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there would be no drama.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like what the Truman Show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right everything would just be like, oh, hi, how are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, everything's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm gonna do this and then because I see these things here and I'll get this outcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that sounds like a great plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: And everything goes the way you wanted it to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we don't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in our own lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: We miss judge what is happening right in front of us on a regular basis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is kind of an interesting statement because when you start looking at the broader picture like what's going on in the what let's look at what's going on in the world right now and the world right now there are
[SPEAKER_00]: wars happening in multiple regions of the world and all the chaos that that entails, but I don't know that there's anything much more chaotic than war, maybe natural disasters, maybe like a tsunami or earthquakes, but even those things, they only last as long as it last right and then it kind of settles.
[SPEAKER_00]: War, we don't know what, you know, that's a, it's a chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so on that larger scale, that's a question that many people are asking right now about the whole world.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they look at the whole world right now, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe even in some cases they ask what the hell is going on in the world right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people are very, you know, get very drawn into some people are very emotionally affected by what they see.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not trying to say that war is not upsetting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if it certainly is, and if if you listen to this podcast, we've made that clear over and over and over and over again, that war is the most horrible and
[SPEAKER_00]: Brent War is mutilation and destruction and death.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's horrible to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: when it's horrible to see when soldiers are killing soldiers but then when you see civilians being killed and you see women and children being killed is just terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it would be unhealthy for a person to be like see that stuff happening and be void of emotions that would make any sense, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also, I would say, not healthy to become so emotionally engaged in something that's happening that it negatively impacts your own life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to find some balance there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that happens in, you know, that I had deal with and that guys were in combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have that to deal with, which is that horrible things are going to happen, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: People get wounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: people get killed, your friends get wounded, friends get killed, civilians are wounded, civilians get killed, those things are awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while we, in a leadership position,
[SPEAKER_00]: and not even a leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in combat, you have to put those emotions into the calculus to figure out what's going on, but you can't let it throw your assessment off, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't let your judgment be impaired by your emotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: or by your ego, or by your fear, or by your past experience, or by your personal beliefs, or by your need to belong to the group, or by the stress, or the fatigue, or the group loyalty, or your optimism, or your pessimism, like you get, there's all these little things that are coming into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you cannot let those things
[SPEAKER_00]: Be the majority share of your decision-making process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you have to put them in there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you got to figure if I'm mad about something, my team is going to be mad too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm sad about something, my team is going to sad too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm fatigued, my team is fatigued.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to...
[SPEAKER_00]: you got to put it into the calculus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you're also going to think of what's the enemy doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the enemy scored a big win yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're probably going to be energetic today.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to be enthusiastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to be showing some more bravada.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to put it in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't ignore it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't let it be the main driver.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's these are all things that distort reality or mischap reality and convince us that's something is real when it's not real or convince us that something is fake when it is real.
[SPEAKER_00]: we should do more often is leave some room in your brain for I don't know or I'm not sure or that depends on how it develops or this could go in a lot of different directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: right to admit, which is a weird thing to say, you have to, it's like it me saying, hey, you have to admit echo, you better admit that you need to breathe.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a you better admit that you don't understand and know everything about everything that's going on in the world right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You better admit that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't the shouldn't be a big ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we should hear a lot more people that are saying I'm not really sure about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this could go a bunch of different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some outcomes that could take place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some possibilities even none of these are guaranteed, but you don't hear that very often.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get asked a lot, you know, what the hell is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, why are you not mad about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why are you not supportive of this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why are you not shocked by this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why are you not afraid of this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why are you not overwhelmed by this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why are you not more compassionate about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or why don't you more sit like, I'll get asked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these people, I know, I mean, never mind the bots on the interwebs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, people, my friends will ask me and say these kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason that I'm not angry, not shocked, not afraid, not overwhelmed, not cynical, like the reason I'm not is because of what I experienced in combat, realizing what I learned in combat was that emotions like these don't really help.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not saying you shouldn't feel them, and I'm not saying I don't feel them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that I recognize that they color the lens pretty drastically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what does that leave me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just like everybody else, I still, you can't just abandon, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't know what's going on, so abandon, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to try and still figure out to the best of my ability what's going on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you've got to take assessment of what's going on out there in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think, when I do that, for me to say, for me to try and say, and figure out what's going on, the first thing I start with is that admission that I don't know exactly what's going on, and neither is anybody, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Newt is anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: The smartest person in the world, but you know, when you look at the stock market and there's people
[SPEAKER_00]: dozens if not hundreds of people on staff with AI and algorithms and historical studies and all the data you can possibly get together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what, they hate right all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're barely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're hedging, it's like they don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't tell you, they can't tell you if the price of gold is gonna go up or down tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one can tell you that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They can make a guess and it might be a little bit more accurate but they don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with all that information and all that capital to begin because if you could figure that out, obviously you'd be the rich guy in the world, but no one knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: the uh... when the real estate market tank there was like there was like five people that saw that coming everyone else was just put put money in shitty mortgages like also the whole industry with all their predictive models and all that they didn't know so the first thing i think when we talk about what's going on is to start with the admission that he i don't really know
[SPEAKER_00]: And either there's anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, including me, is guessing as to what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's interesting and it's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases, it's very disturbing that some people some people talk as if they do know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's a hint, they don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one does.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to talk about some things that I do when I am trying to, not so much know what's going on, but understand a situation and try and figure out what's going on to the best of my ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: At a minimum, trying to figure out things that might be happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, remember, that's nothing, nothing's ever guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a US, United States Marine Corps warfighting manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Manual number one says that very nature of war makes certainty impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: All actions in war will be based on incomplete inaccurate or even contradictory information.
[SPEAKER_00]: War is intrinsically unpredictable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what makes it unpredictable is to fill with a bunch of human beings that are doing weird shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we know how far the gun's gonna shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know how far the, we know how far the missile's gonna fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know how long someone can walk in a certain amount of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do we?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: In theory, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's all these unknowns and all the unknowns come from the humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's another, like, another class wits, what he said, war is a human endeavor, a fundamentally human clash of wills, often fought among populations.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not a mechanical process that can be controlled precisely by machines, statistics, or laws.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is in the realm of uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Three quarters of the factors on which action in war is based or wrapped in a fog of greater or lesser uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But by the way, this is just everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And wars are a reflection of life, and there are just as many variables in war, the misinformation, the contradictory information, the uncertainty, the fog, life is the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, how do we sense what's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, we have to gather data, which means you spend more time listening than talking, which means you spend more time looking and watching, than you do showing.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is observation, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the O in the Udalupe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's tricky about these things is doing these things, this sounds so easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing these things without judgment.
[SPEAKER_00]: observing and listening and hearing and seeing things without judgment, which is very, very difficult to do, very, very difficult to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think about everything, like kind of everything that you look at?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at anything, you're immediately putting your own stank on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like anything that you see, you're like, oh, I see, oh, I, you know, oh echo said this here's what is happening with echo, like that is that is the way we operate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we hear something or we see something, we immediately see it in the context of our own background and our own reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way we see things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why two people can see the same thing and have completely different viewpoints on it, because they're putting that thing, that singular event with all this context around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see this with the news.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, clearly with the news.
[SPEAKER_00]: One event will happen, and to watch the, the, the right and the left report on the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it's insanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's insanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to actually be able to pull your own judgment, you can make judgment later, but I'm saying when you're taking on data, to bring in the data and put it clean into the processor is a hard thing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very difficult thing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: also and this is where we get this is where things are going to get this is where things get very very challenging very very difficult to know what's going on because ultimately I think when we try and figure out what's going on what we're trying to figure out is what what forces are at play
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems real simple, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, so if you think about your family dynamics, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Your wife wants to go to one place to dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your kids want to go to another place to dinner, and you want to go to a third place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's three different options here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now think just think about in that simple scenario, what forces are at play?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are things we could literally write about that, the forces at play in that scenario forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, you've got this thing, you've got to remember that time back in the day when your wife wanted to do something and you forced to do something else and she was really mad about it and she held it against you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a force that's in your mind as a human being.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been in your for in your head for 19 years or whatever since that time that you did that and then by the way, you got your kids and all the other way We didn't talk about the forces between your two kids because are they unified together?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not But there's there's this whole force like what is going on with them?
[SPEAKER_00]: And are they trying to win dad over right now because dad's the one that's in charge of you know Where we go on Saturday nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to make him happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna the what these are all forces These are forces that are at play and so that's just in a family unit Under one circumstance not not to mention finances Right not not to mention time constraints Financial constraints well what is happening like these forces that are in play go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a cut you off
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and no, no, no, just not to put too fine of a point on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying, that's just the family din app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the family din app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Under one, relatively unimportant circumstance.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it's kind of a good example because you can start kind of quote unquote simple, even though the forces like you said aren't infinite, but yeah, it makes it kind of gives you a little bit of perspective on how much you kind of don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: this idea when you think about what's going on and thinking instead of thinking about the like a lot of times people think about the facts right or they think about the history it's like think about the forces that are at play because that's really
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you start thinking about there's that this goes deep, because we start thinking about okay, so let's take care of of a more like geopolitical situation, what forces are at play in a geopolitical situation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you have traditions, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's traditions in with peoples and with countries.
[SPEAKER_00]: that they're going to follow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's a force.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's precedence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is what's happened before in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, power dynamics, same thing with your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's power dynamics in geopolitical situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, money, clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: self-interest versus group interest like it's my company But then what's best for me even inside my own company those are two disparate things Like I might want to drive the stock price up so I can sell off my thing, but at the same time That might not be good for the company, but it's good for me right now because I'm gonna leave into it like she owns it
[SPEAKER_00]: Forces that play emotions clearly ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a force revenge Is revenge a force that plays role.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's certainly is leverage Like what we're gonna give up leverage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're gonna take some leverage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a force that's a play.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about just fatigue?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're tired
[SPEAKER_00]: resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a force.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if I'm a super strong country and I have unlimited resources, that's a huge force.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to play out in it's going to impact where this thing goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like a, you're used to a regular old school compass before, you know, like that thing supposed to point north when you get it around metal, it starts, you know, there's other forces, besides just that mag, just the magnetic north.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's other forces used when we would dive in the in the in the teams per kind of day.
[SPEAKER_00]: when you would, you know, you'd be diving under water and you're just pure of compass because no GPS under water, pure compass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also in, let's say, a bay and in the bay, what people throw the, you know, people drop stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's anchors that get dropped.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's pieces of metal people throw over boards, chairs and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll be driving also and you will watch your compass just kind of spin sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's happening here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyone that says, oh, yeah, here's the direction to everything's going to go
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all these things that are playing into it, man, alignment, like how aligned are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about history?
[SPEAKER_00]: What forced this history have over what's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it has a pole.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about how much time we have?
[SPEAKER_00]: Time has an impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Time is a force.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death.
[SPEAKER_00]: We like being in debt.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one likes being in debt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a force that might make me act a certain way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is resentment.
[SPEAKER_00]: How strong is that force?
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be overwhelmingly strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But put that up against loyalty.
[SPEAKER_00]: How's that planned?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about identity?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about status?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about narrative?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about grievances?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about threats?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about culture?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about trust or lack of trust?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, I could just go on and on and on with all of these forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, imagine the nuance in each one of those particular forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: Infinite nuance within each one of those forces at any given time at any given time and it's shifting So there's many more Seeing an unseen herd and unheard felt and unfelt like there's forces that people don't even feel Right there's forces that You they could not explain why they did something but they did it and there's an underlying force that didn't even know what it is
[SPEAKER_00]: So to think that anyone could fully comprehend all these factors and calculate exactly what's happening right now or what is going to happen in the future, it's kind of ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of, we can't, we can, we can, we can guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what happens is what I see happen with people is people lock into, but you take this massive list of variables that I just, and there's, there's an infinite number.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people lock into one or two or four particular variables that they think they understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they think they understand the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in other words, if I say, well, you know, I know that Echo, he made his wife mad years ago and now he kind of, when she asks what they're gonna do, he kind of goes and listen to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think I understand the whole situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not even close, that's one element.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, that's one element simplified.
[SPEAKER_00]: because there's an infinite amount of nuance around that element as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people think they understand two or three or four little components of a big giant scenario, and they think, oh, yeah, these are the most important components here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, I will tell you what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very ignorant to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what here's what's also very bad about that is,
[SPEAKER_00]: When someone locks into two or three components in a situation, they miss the forest for the trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, they think they understand everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wrapped up in a particular detail.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then they apply that morage of understanding to the entire complex ecosystem that they truly have no idea what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we focus a lot, we focus so much on what's happening that we miss what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the difference between these two things.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: and what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening is like, oh, we see this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see the things that are happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we miss what is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of the most important things I learned in Jiu Jitsu at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm usually, let's say, on the bigger side, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: 225 like if you're on the mats 225 generally speaking most rooms.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna be heavy year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then then most of the room right most of your training partners.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're gonna find eventually you're gonna get some big boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as I got to train with more and more big guys one of the most important lessons I learned.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that when you get, if you get a good position on a big guy, like on your on top, you got a big guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they start to move, they start to try and escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, if you hang on to one limb or you hang on to their neck or you hang on to their leg to try and keep them controlled, if you hang on tight to one thing, you'll get swept.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you have to do is you have to kind of let go of the small things and let them move around and let them,
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of exasperate themselves, and you just keep a little, you know, distances a strong word to use, because you're still like in contact, but you're not hanging on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you hang on, you're going to have problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now look, when someone's smaller, you can squeeze them and you can manually keep your position.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, different, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have control over that smaller individual, because you're a bigger individual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like if you have a small scenario, you can have mental control over the things that are going on in that small scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can keep that handle on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you try and hang onto a big scenario, like that, you're going to get swept.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what you have to do is you have to figure out you have to learn what minor movements
[SPEAKER_00]: don't matter because what you will sense is if you're trying to hang on to these little movements, you're trying to track their little movements, you'll miss the big movements.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you miss the big movements, that's when you get swept.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you end up on the bottom and now you're getting smashed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this happens in every aspect of our lives, because if you get hyper-focused on some small behavior that your kid is displaying,
[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to miss the broad direction that their life is heading.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, you can do the same thing with your life, if you or your spouse, if you focus on some small behavior, or some small idiotic thing that's going, that they do, like they start doing some little thing in their life and you focus on that little thing, you can miss this broad change that is happening that you're going to miss and it's going to be problematic.
[SPEAKER_00]: This happens a lot with kids, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, yeah, happens with everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: It happens with everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's this one thing we miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who that person is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's a very easy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're, we're hunters by nature.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we see something to focus on, we dive into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It happens in business, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the example is a business, like, you know, you get in the weeds on some marketing project or some new technology, and then you miss the market shifting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you miss the competition reacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that, you know, that's just hyperfixation, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But on a in business and a personal, a personal interaction, same thing, you focus on somebody's got a particular habit, a peculiar habit, and it draws your attention and you miss everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the reality is like, I see there's something that you do echo Charles that like, I focus on, but I miss the way your ego responds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss what's going on with your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss what's going on with health factors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's all these other things, but I only saw this one little thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I should have seen the big picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think you're going to be able to look at all the intricate complexities of someone else's life, someone else's whole life and figure out how to make like a perfect decision based on some little thing, now you're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: On every level, this mode of operating that we have of like focusing in on small things makes us miss what's happening more broadly and that's actually you and I talked about which brings me to this final topic, which we were talking about the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you start talking about like geopolitical events, and I was saying to you because if you watch the 24 hour news cycle, right, the 24 hour news cycle, they report each event as a holistic view of the entire
[SPEAKER_00]: unfolding of history.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was talking to you, I compared it to if we were watching an MMA fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fight starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a five round championship fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fight starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: One guy comes out throws a hook throws a one two and then a hook and the hook kind of glances,
[SPEAKER_00]: like that fight is continuing on but you and I start to go okay well let's take another look at that hook you can see if it was a little bit more if he had said it up a little bit he made it maybe taking a half a step forward he might have been able to connect and by the way if he would connect it with that you can see where would it hit his face that would have been a knockout so that tells you that this guy's defenses are weak you see what I'm saying like this is one punch in a fight that's gonna have
[SPEAKER_00]: five hundred punches five hundred punches and not to mention all the faints they get thrown right or somebody comes out Stuff's to take down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what it oh echo echo versus jacco jacco comes out shoots to take down I stuff to take down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what a pathetic Strategy echo Charles had to try and shoot on jacco everyone knows jacco's got a good sprawl in a good guillotine and you can see that echo hasn't Drop through this is one shot and We're making it like it's the whole fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not
[SPEAKER_00]: So we see this with geopolitical events, whether it's international relations or tribal interactions or diplomatic strategies or territorial disputes or state level politics and armed conflict with all of these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: we see one little thing and we think we got to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, the intricacies of war, intricacies of war, you know, you got weapon systems, you got supply change, you got logistics capabilities, you got, like, do I really know what the training for this other military unit is like what their preparedness is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I know, oh, I know they have these certain weapon systems, do I know how well that they were maintained?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I know how well trained they are on them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they obviously have logistics, but do I know what their logistical capabilities are?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it on paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know they have trucks, how well do those wins the last time those trucks got.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's all these things that we don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, when we start talking about human beings, you think you understand the morale of some group of soldiers or sailors or airmen from a different culture that you've never met.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even know their rank structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what their basic training is like.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea what they're talking about in their barracks.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so with all that, there's some little detail that you can grasp onto, some little thing that you understand or some little thing that becomes an anchor in your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you extrapolate the knowledge of one little thing into understanding this whole scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, you think that's a good call?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, on top of,
[SPEAKER_00]: on top of your, you know, assessment of, you know, you've been studying their culture for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know their culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually took a class on their military traditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I read three books about, okay, you know, on top of all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: you we haven't even talked about a disinformation misinformation right propaganda bad intelligence poor reporting human error people rushing to publish reports what about anonymous read anonymous sources
[SPEAKER_00]: What about a complete lack of context?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about exaggeration?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't think somebody that's trying to get a new story out there might exaggerate something a little bit or they might have a little bias or they might cherry pick a little bit or they might oversimplify something for a headline or they might just they might just lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think that could be happening a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: or even just something as simple as inaccurate translations.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we got the Google translate, but you don't think that that thing, I've put some stuff to stuff to that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think that thing's gonna be perfect?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with all these things that you, that there's no possible way you know, but you think you know how this is gonna go down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, all that stuff that I just mentioned, all this propaganda, bad intelligence and poor reporting and human are all those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are things that are utilized proactively by governments, by the media, by religious groups, by ethno states, by political elements, by...
[SPEAKER_00]: advertisers and talking heads and networks and every human being out there in the world that has some kind of agenda that they're pushing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all doing all these things actively, purposefully.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you think you're going to just see through all that, you're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to tell you what they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: you to think is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what they're telling you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by manipulating your emotions and by manipulating your ego and by manipulating your passion and by manipulating your beliefs and by manipulating your biases, you buy into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would recommend that you don't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: My recommendation is that you do not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recommend that you don't let your emotions and your ego and your passions and your biases and your beliefs and your goals and your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recommend that you do not let those things get manipulated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend that you do something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend that you take a step back and you detach.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I mean, you've heard me talking about this for years, and I talk about it when you're in a gun fight, you better take a step back and detach so you can see what's actually happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, believe it or not, I recommend the exact same thing to try and figure out what's going on in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to figure out what's going on in a gun fight, get off your gun, stop looking down the side of your weapon, stop pulling the trigger, take a step back and look around that's how you figure out what's going on in a gun fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to figure out what's going on in the world?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a step back and attach because all this data.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these opinions, all this information, all this media, all this, all this AI Slop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there to get you to feel a certain way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the probably the primary mode that they do that by is getting you to focus on,
[SPEAKER_00]: small tactical details.
[SPEAKER_00]: Small tactical details.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they want you could get you to focus on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if I was trying to, if we were, you know, they have an MMA fight now, you can bet as the fight is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can bet like, now it's now it's the, it's the second round.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can bet like I now I think echo is gonna win and if you dominated the first round You know the the odds are going up for you So I'm not gonna make as much money, but it's a little bit of safe for bet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so the odds like adjust the odds of just real time damn real time But if I was
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to manipulate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, Oh, did you see when echo almost got punched in that let's watch watch that replay again So you watch the little replay over the one punch that barely missed echoes chin and I think no, actually I could doesn't have good chance he dominated the whole round, but they showed you that one little piece of it over and over again That's what's happening with the 24 hour news cycle every hour Every hour
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a critical story, every hour, there's a catastrophic event, every hour, there's breaking news, every hour, there's an urgent report, a major update, an important announcement, a new development, every hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like me telling you that there's a catastrophic update every three seconds in an MMA fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are throwing punches, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happens in an MMA fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, again, this is something that I learned as a leader in combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things are going to be happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be shooting going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be elements maneuvering.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be friendly elements maneuvering.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be enemy elements maneuvering.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be explosions.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be vehicles going down.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be people getting wounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: And each one of those things seem extremely important.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you focus on one of those things, you're gonna miss everything else and you're gonna make bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why we talk so much about not getting sucked into some detail that locks up your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even a wounded guy, God forbid, or someone gets killed in action.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even as horrible as those things are, that is not the time to hyper focus on that particular event as awful as it might be because if you're not careful, you might miss that the enemies maneuvering on you,
[SPEAKER_00]: or you might miss what fire support is available or you might miss what friendly are entering your zone and any of those are gonna have a even more catastrophic outcome so we cannot allow ourselves to be doing that you hear this with war with war reporting every small tactical exchange is reported on as if it is
[SPEAKER_00]: a culminating point, which is like a doctrinal term, meaning like this is going to be a victory or a defeat for this entire situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this moment is the culminating point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another punch thrown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can there be a knockout punch?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can there be a, you know, the guy gets to take down and get the back and now he's starting to sink in the choke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that does happen, but it doesn't happen every three seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this with business reporting as well, like business reporting, like they may never recover from this, uh, restock issue that they had or, or, you know, political reporting.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the final, the final blow to so-and-so is campaign like you hear the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to detach from these type of headlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to take a step back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to collect the data.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because look, if there is a restock issue with some company, it's sure it's going to have some kind of an impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's some kind of a negative impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if someone out on a campaign trail does something really stupid, it can be a step back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Occasionally, you get a knockout blow, like just happened to that guy that was the California guy that was running for governor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a knockout blow, but you know how many little knockout blows that guy's had I mean, he's been he's been dinged up the whole time He was you know Have in sexual relations with a Chinese spy like he was I how caught he he's he rolled right through that You know it wasn't until he was straight up raping women But all the other things that he did they were just like little little little scoffs
[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to pay attention and collect the data, but don't over-index on something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, it makes you not understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes people not understand the difference between like, what is a real death blow and what's just day-to-day operations for the world?
[SPEAKER_00]: Detach, let's take a step back, look around, recognize, recognize, got it, there's a bunch of things got to recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to recognize the first report is always round, wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've heard me say that before, the first report is always wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get the guys calling from the field, hey, where this is what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: That first report is going to be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that they're lying to you, not that they don't have a portion of the information, but they don't have the whole picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the only their perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first report is going to be wrong, the second report, and the third report, and the fourth and fifth and sixth report, they're all going to be kind of wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what we have to do is not take those reports as individual gospel.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to take them as a whole and correlate them together over time so we can get a picture of what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an important thing to think about when it comes to trying to figure out what's going on is time and distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: are good tools to use, time and distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, can you be too far separated from something of course you can, too much distance where you don't understand what the hell is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Too much time is passed and it doesn't matter anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you can go too far with those things, but time and distance are very good tools to help you sauce out reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of time, give it a little time before you make that judgment call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give it a little space.
[SPEAKER_00]: use time and distance to help you gain perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, that's why we use the iterative decision-making process.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we try and make small decisions rapidly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't, we don't try and comprehend everything in a big holistic way because we don't have that capability.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we do is we take measure of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: We take measure of what's happening right now and we make a small possible decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: The smallest possible decision we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: to kind of guess what we should do next.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we do that little tiny thing and then we pay attention to the feedback, that's what we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we get good feedback, we continue in that direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we get bad feedback, we go in a different direction, we try something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, these are the things to close this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the things that we have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: To try and figure out what's going on in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a step back, relax, look around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't rush to judge anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get sucked into little tactical events that occur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make note of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... you can add them to the broad calculus put them in the soup you know what i am you put them in the soup put them in there but don't put an inordinate amount of weight on any one thing
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, um, how do you know if a little tactical thing is having a strategic impact?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to know how you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a strategic impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how do you know that this guy's campaign fell apart?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because he announced his resignation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that was a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not tactical anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know when in in in war, when oh, this
[SPEAKER_00]: This loss of this bridge, this was a strategic loss.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when all of a sudden the tide shifts and now the other teams start winning and they were losing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this bridge was taken out, realized couldn't happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you take out that bridge and they go, oh, no, the bridge is gone, but oh, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: They had an engineering battalion that went in and built another bridge in two days and it wasn't no factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: We forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to look and see, I try, here's a good protocol to run.
[SPEAKER_00]: And our instinct is to take a small thing and make it bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's our instinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our instinct is to see a piece of news and make it bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, the news, they do that with us too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They take a small thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They make a bigger, and then our brain takes the thing that they already made bigger, and we make it even bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Catastrophic end of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every day, Catastrophic end of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I consciously, when I hear something, I try and say, man, probably won't be that big of a video.
[SPEAKER_00]: I try and say how this probably, hey, they took out that bridge, but you know what, it's not going to take that long to rebuild the bridge.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the capabilities, and by the way, there's an area down south where they have another bridge.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can easily reroute to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that happened on this campaign.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's going to be a lot of he said she said, well, okay, it's probably not going to be that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what you need to try and figure out how it's going to be minimal because that's probably what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And believe me, when it becomes a major issue, you will see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's unavoidable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Use time and distance as a filter as much as you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Use time, let things set, let them develop a little bit before you lose your freaking mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a little distance from them before you lose your freaking mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's things going on in some world and the only people that care about is the people on in that world.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one else cares about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some business thing, some political thing, some worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the most important thing in this little tiny fraction of the world, but the rest of people are like, it doesn't affect me at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So use time and use distance as a filter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you do these things,
[SPEAKER_00]: You won't know exactly what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: You won't know exactly what is going to happen because that's impossible and no one does.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you use this type of protocol, you will have the best possibility of understanding what is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were right, and all kinds of notes over that part.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were very well, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's for everything you went down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just became more and more clear that this applies to everything, even everyday life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Regardless of the news, no news, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like one of the initial things you were talking about is like the forces that play, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, but I think, well,
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe at this point in my life that the forces are big small in the past a prediction of the future like there's so many forces some that you know some you don't know and some you don't know you don't know and then some you know you don't know kind of on purpose like you're ignoring them on purpose because you're moot or all this up and then some you don't know because you have no access to it so that they're going to dinner analogy
[SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day it's gonna be all these uh it's like this tug-of-war of like almost like conflicts of interest over you know and what I learned early on as you know From this outfit is
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the main ways to see kind of everything is this tug-of-war between the big picture and the small picture, the strategic and the tactical, essentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: So really, at any given moment, you're going to have basically that weird tug-of-war of conflict of interest within you and with others and how they relate to you and everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moment to moment and then whichever interest at any given moment wins that's the direction things are going to go and then What that's based on is like unpredictable because you talk about like just like how you're saying like It's you were talking with like people like the kind of mood someone is in determines
[SPEAKER_02]: how they get to work by the way so you know how like um and I mentioned this before where you know how like you're at the stop light and someone peels out and they didn't have to peel out they're not you know they peel out he did that because he was in a mood or she or whoever usually he
[SPEAKER_02]: did that conceives in a certain mood that was caused by something that happened maybe that day maybe yesterday maybe you know and then you just go down the rabbit hole of all those forces that caused that one thing from the peel out which is going to have some effect you seem saying so all these like at any given moment could be anything very hard to keep your your keep a handle on everything right so which is another
[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the biggest, what is some message of this whole thing, we see what's happening but miss what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the jujitsu analogy in my opinion was very, it was pretty much perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why, like, ending box into whatever you have like faints and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how they say, like, boxing stuff, like, don't look at their hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's only what's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what's going on is the body of the feet, you know, all this other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, yeah, if you're distracted by what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: gonna miss what's going on yeah miss what's going on the first of all the forces at play right if this is not uh uh some you know nobel prize winning statement but
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many people that are in scenarios, and they are not remotely calculating the forces that are at play, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just hearing this, and when you go into your next conflict, or you go into your next conversation, or you go into your next relationship, or you go into your next business deal, if you start thinking about what forces are at play, it will make everything so much more,
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll make your ability to understand, and your ability to negotiate, your ability to say the right things so much better because these forces, when we don't recognize them or ignore them or don't see them or we, or we, we kind of treat them as if they're, they're, they're there, but they're not real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, we think of him as like gravity like how often you actually think about gravity You know, you don't really think about it a lot But it's keeping everything together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally keeping every like I don't go man I hope gravity holds this pen right when I let go of it right now and puts it on the table Hope it doesn't float away.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of there and you just kind of know it's gonna be there But to actively think like oh what forces are a play and by the way when you start to look at people's behavior because people people's behavior
[SPEAKER_00]: is being driven by various forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, people do things that I do not understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like people do things that I do not understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, you know, you and I have this conversation on the Underground podcast the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you love sushi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never eaten a piece of sushi in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably never will.
[SPEAKER_00]: You eat sushi almost every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just like, I cannot under what food do you hate?
[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta be honest, and after that conversation, I actually thought about it constantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's like, what is the food that I'm like, just not down for the way you're not down for sushi?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I could not, I don't, if I won, but let's just say,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, some obvious stuff like liver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I like liver like, you know how like sometimes they'll prepare it a certain So it's I don't know but whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see we just there's certain things that you could you couldn't comprehend
[SPEAKER_00]: Why I like like you can't comprehend why I don't like sushi.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be hard for you to understand I mean I live in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got fresh sushi all over the place is a sushi shop on every corner Like what is wrong with I'm I'm a waterman by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out in the ocean all the time I grew up in Maine like in New England in Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we they're seafood everywhere And now you're telling me you don't like sushi what that's it's kind of hard to comprehend There's a calculation that I'm not just not
[SPEAKER_00]: getting answered to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't like compliment.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't comprehend it and people do things.
[SPEAKER_00]: People have behaviors that we I literally sometimes, I cannot comprehend, I cannot comprehend what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to do there is trying to figure out what forces are at play, but what is incalculable is we can make an estimate, but we can't say for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, there is a fight the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, no, it was a soccer game and I was at I was at a San Diego soccer game and I was talking with The CEO Tom and he and you know, we were saying hey, you know, how's this looking for tonight and he's you know He said this was actually last season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see I said how's it looking for tonight?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we how do we stack up on this team?
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes you know like we stack up pretty good We should be able to win and
[SPEAKER_00]: but we still have to play the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the outcome is unknown.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't just put stuff on paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was saying with a stock market.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these big stock people with their big calculators and algorithms and quants and the whole nine yards and years of college and years of experience, they don't get it right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't tell you if the price of oil is going up or down.
[SPEAKER_00]: right now who's who knows no no no gold where's it going up or down they can't tell you they can tell you what they think and they lose right they win and they lose so all that's because that is a that is those are prime examples of like all these forces that are at play forces at forces that even include the belief of the market yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about that, a force, like gravity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, some of these are seen in unseen forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: An unseen force is like the belief of the market.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you predict the belief of the market?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a legitimate thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, the market believes that oil is gonna get cheaper so the price is going down.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, when it turns out tomorrow that they were wrong, they were wrong, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we had to put that into the calculus.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the availability, it's the belief of the market, it's all these things, it's the natural disasters, fires, war, all these things affect it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the belief of the market is one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: one of the many, but if you can at least take in that calculus and know that there are so many things that we don't understand and even the things we understand, we can't predict accurately.
[SPEAKER_00]: So keeping that in mind, what I'm hoping that all this does by the way is I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: emotional roller coasters of what is going on because a lot of people they're watching they're watching those highlights from the fight or the highlight from you know the highlight from the fight whatever that fight is a political fight a social fight an economic fight we will we they've wrapped us into showing us the replay of one of three seconds of a fight
[SPEAKER_00]: And telling you to like change your bets and everything's gonna be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know who's gonna win and now this guy's definitely gonna win because he almost caught him with that punch and watched it again, watching so much and if you were to just put his foot over here, like that's what they're saying to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: This fight is totally different now and guess what they're gonna tell you in an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's changed again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm hoping that the ability to take a step back to touch, not overindex on any piece of information.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is such a good skill, to not overindex on any one piece of information.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you do that, you're going to get caught.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't overindex on little things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, if you're paying enough attention from a broad perspective, you'll start to see a pattern.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go, oh, hold on a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a pattern now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, a little thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I can predict that there's probably a big thing coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But don't over index on those little things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll hurt you.
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as unseen forces goes one that you open my eyes to while I forget what book it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a morale, you know, morale, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So because I'd hear it in football games and stuff like, oh, this quarterback is feeling confident so this adds to it and I'm like, brother, that's not going to add.
[SPEAKER_02]: The quarterback is feeling confident, you know, like so with what now they're gonna win the game versus lose it Like probably it's not a factor So I'm saying the guy is either has a skill or he don't have the skill and they're gonna work together, you know, and whatever And then um, it was I forget some book and I forget the exact wording, but you open my eyes to the idea which is true literally like every single day
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't want to be there, versus you really do want to be there, it's two completely different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two different outcomes, two different pursuits, two different events, literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and I'd probably leave this 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's from my sports days to just working out, to freaking do jitsu, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be a jitsu, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it, I don't want to be it
[SPEAKER_00]: the momentum has shifted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all that all these little micro little collective things that happen inside of a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: For instance, if I'm playing basketball and you know where we just got, we just scored 12 points on answered and I'm about to take a three pointer.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much pressure is on me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's almost no pressure and so guess what now it's a 15 point lead and now my next shot There's even less pressure, right and so you just you're just playing Lucer and Lucer and the Lucer You play the better you play Now you go the other direction when you when at a shot is critical There's all this pressure people choke more more stuff So yeah that momentum is a real thing morale is a little thing and Napoleon said I forget what the number is But he gave it a ratio like
[SPEAKER_00]: Moral is to is to numbers as three years to one or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moral is more important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you ever so did you ever play football though where like you're you did feel the Moral of the quarterback being like all right guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you know
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be more, it's more than about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more the whole team, in my experience, but as far as morale goes, yeah, and it was never illustrated like that to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I remember when my, and I'm literally remembering this like it had just happened where it was our, actually the first game I ever played, first game game I ever played, against this team, and we were like seated to be the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a little pop Warner, by the way,
[SPEAKER_02]: We played against Kapap and Kapap had some good guys on there, but whatever We had you know with me and my brothers some freaking other heavy hitters, you know Tandy 11 years of whatever and that bro, they came out and they just started freaking defeating us right from the first play Like he was bad and we're like what the hell like everyone was like coordinated in these these guys these two brothers cousins Jared and Kalani they were just like freak athletes all of a sudden
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they just started beating us, and I remember feeling like, bro, I don't even want to be here anymore, be like, I didn't have any drive to put in effort, because we just lose anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm saying, to the point where I was doing this regular play where they pitch you the ball, just didn't catch the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Straight up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't guess the one not a hard ball to cut like I just didn't can and I remember thing and then I was just like whatever like it doesn't Like that's an extreme Version of your morale just going and then literally directly affecting the outcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, just cuz I don't want to be there You ever phone something in
[SPEAKER_03]: no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, that's why I see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would print like if I had like a competition or, you know, in your case, you're in the on the battlefield, you're going to freaking face this group of guys, you know, but you're praying, they're just phoned in that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're praying that they're just like, bro, I don't want to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to phone it in, do the bare minimum, you know, and that's what you're compelled to do when you don't want to be there for morale is low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what you just talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you what you got caught in that football team was you got caught in the in the in the shock, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is something I was talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was some GG2 competitors the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you if you are if you expect the shock like, hey, this is going to this is going to start off wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just ready for wildness, you'll be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not ready for wildness, you're gonna get, you're gonna fall behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, a classic case of what you're talking about is, oh, we think we're the better team.
[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of roll out there like, we kind of got this one in the bag, and then they come out there ready to murder you, and you get hit with that shock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, you guys are looking around, 11 years old, I broke, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get overwhelmed by the shock, but it's, and what you've just said, it's the surprise, and the surprise immediately to feature morale.
[SPEAKER_00]: well how do you calculate that like how do you put that into the how do you put what how do we calculate that force how can I predict that your team because by the way it can also go like we're gonna destroy this team and we go out there and you can over shock them like they come at you stuff their face and all of a sudden it's like you ever had that in jiu-jitsu where you're like you get a submission on someone and you're going like you like
[SPEAKER_00]: 30 seconds into a round you get a submission and you work real hard and they get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm thinking of a bit of a total demoralization.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I was rolling with this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know he's a black belt now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants a black belt at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's smaller than me, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just, you know, how you kind of like, you kind of modulate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this guy's not really that much of a threat, but you know, he's so he kind of is bringing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, all right, like it's getting kind of more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to turn up the heat a little bit and probably this guy's like defending
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of get it in a better way a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm started and then my morale went down Yeah, and he is I think apparently his went up but I'm like, yeah, it's that exact thing Where I was like wait a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't ready for this but mentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah So real that is a force in a two person jissie match it totally confined environment and
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we think we're going to understand the morale of some foreign military like bro And by the way, every different unit, and they're all out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have good leaders bad leaders of good good NCO's bad NCO's like some have been eaten well some of them have been like what the what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: All these forces come into play and we think we can calculate the whole thing and we're making our big predictions So I hope that this will help everyone become a little bit more detached Which is not which is which is counter to our culture right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting force fed Information 24 hours a day It's in your pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's it's I heard something the other day that like the average person Looks at their phone 150 times a day just bam bam
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, if there's something that you should have missed, someone's going to tell you that someone's going to say, hey, did you see that there was an earthquake in Texas, and there's a title wave that just wiped out half a Houston.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be like, no, I didn't see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, take a look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can go look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing that's going to happen in the next hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to that's going to impact you from a global news perspective and quite honestly probably not from your own life perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, did you have an emergency once a year where your kid needs to call you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have an emergency phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have an emergency punch through number, but most of the stuff doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the stuff is just little tiny tactical interactions that are going
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of this is like the kind of mentioned where it's the shortcut of your brain, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it doesn't want to do that much work, so it'll just like pass judgment, or it'll just summarize, or it just, you know, like, I don't want to have to think through all these freaking unseen forces, so I'm just, you know, just like, so I, I talked to Jason Kalipo in here and did up mentioning this, but it's like, you ever forget why you're in a bad mood, like you're kind of in a bad mood, but you just forgot why?
[SPEAKER_02]: or at the very least like you have to almost like remind yourself wait like I'm not feeling that like I'm at I'm mad about something or I'm just whatever bother whatever I think the closest I could have that is like let's say I got some important kind of negative thing going on yeah and I'll wake up in the morning and won't remember it for like the first three minutes right but are you but do you still feel the feeling though that's the point oh gonna like that's a different thing yeah that's
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, let's say you had a, um, okay, let's say a typical situation and say, are you with your wife about something, right, and it puts you in a bad mood because you didn't resolve it, then you go to wherever, right, go to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you, you know, you do your work and you're brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you had a job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying I've got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you concentrate on this and that and this kind of task or whatever and then like it's almost lunch break and you're like freaking still kind of in this weird bad mood It kind of that mood kind of drifted with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's okay cared along with you throughout the day But you don't really consciously remember what it was that made you in the bad mood or why you're in the bad mood You almost have to be like wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I feeling like this again?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah I argument with my wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was that about again?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you got to remember But the bad mood is still there and that bad mood can affect other stuff
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't even know why you're in a bad mood anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the point inside note.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason why this came up is Jason Kalipa.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you get to about like one of the benefits and like how this particular benefit works.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know how they say it's a stress reliever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, why is it a stress relief run?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the obvious one is like, oh, because you get to do this in physical and like also, this is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say you have that same thing you have argument with your wife or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you have other stuff to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're not just constantly continuously thinking about like what actually happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's making it the bad mood, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just left with a bad mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that bad mood is called a stress patch that just going to get attached to your brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of it,
[SPEAKER_02]: is secondary, soon saying, but it's just adding to your stress for the day, maybe something else bad happens, now you got another stress patch.
[SPEAKER_02]: You forget about the actual event because it's not happening right now anymore, it was in the past, but you still have the mood from it, there's two patches, maybe three patches, maybe four, you got to do you get to, you got to forget about all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: all the way down to your emotional state.
[SPEAKER_02]: You gotta forget, because Frick and Doc was trying to choke me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to choke this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to pass my guard and freaking hold me inside mount all the Frick in for five minutes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're concerned about bigger things in that particular moment at everything else on what you just do is, those stress patches get washed away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you forget consciously and emotionally about that stress that you had before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for you to get that stress patch back, you have to actively pursue it with you're not in the mood to do because you're kind of in a good mood You don't say That's how it works, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to tell you so trying to jitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I say Take us that back look around don't over indexed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say trying to jitter It's one of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't I can't deny that I think it will help will be helpful be helpful for your mental path.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be helpful for your psychological path
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll help you help your physical path as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't have that shaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right in real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah, yeah, it was an asked him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, bro, can I wear this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, not at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Too much, but I didn't want to wear them from time to time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I can't just be going out of the freaking in the clear with my freaking tried in on my hat and your title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that is port for sock like literally you know uh... tilt out their capturing these stories from all as many stock guys as he possibly can those guys are you know you know you could debate about who like the greatest and be a player is the greatest hockey like there there's a debate there's a debate
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no debate when it comes to special operations.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then everybody else You know who's in like just that's the way it is So all day so support your support your local song guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back to Jockelstore real quick, the, we had these silicone wristband, disciplinicals freedom.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're little wristbands, you know, represent it, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people wanted them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were sold out for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But after like a lot of pressure for the public.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they're back in stock right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be, you know, a little wristband.
[SPEAKER_00]: The black on black though.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not black on black.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you made a mistake, didn't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, wait, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're so, but no, not the wristband is black with light.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not black on black.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look into it for sure, but there's other black on black options.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring the Sharpie and do Anyway, oh also the shirt locker, which is a new design You know if you're into the discipline equals freedom representate from what I understand life Babin supported the last one Oh, yeah, what was the last one he was very so he sent me the a picture of his shirt is most recent one
[SPEAKER_02]: The discipline, like one, I forget the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just red, script, discipline.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this looks very clean, very nice for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you wear it, it looks good on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you didn't know about that kind stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But other people do a lot of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing an interview about origin a couple days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were asking me something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was basically, I was saying, like, listen,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, he asked me about the popularity of denim in Japan, and I was like, hey man, just FYI, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're starting to lean into the world of fashion, which I don't know anything about.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're starting to talk about like, I know that what you're talking about has something to do with fashion in Japan, and I know like, like Japanese,
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very particular about a surfboard, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I'm a surfer and they like those longboards.
[SPEAKER_00]: They like that Josh Hall, they like that Joel Tudor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got that vibe, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They got that vibe, that longboard vibe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they got like a rockabilly thing going on over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got some American culture and that denim.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: area.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know about surfboards, but fashion is not my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know best so far sounds like you know a little something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these things brought like there's a certain point where utility of clothing, like these one end of the spectrum, and then the other end of the spectrum is like I'm wearing something because it looks good.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's what you just said?
[SPEAKER_00]: I I'm only on one side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like the utility of the clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but then he goes all the way to the fashion, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you go a little bit about the fashion.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have to get too technical and put too fine at a point on it, but in the spirit of accuracy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go a little bit down the spectrum, but only to it's like a facility or a functional fashion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know functional fashion is completely accessible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, acceptable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you gotta be squared away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're saying your belt buckle can't be all smudged.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're saying shoes can't be all scoffed and sweat got to be shined.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying for the most part.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Under certain circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, under certain circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: Functional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Functional for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reason for you to be squared away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just just be lolly gagging around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can be sloppy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't be sloppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say my.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I put clothes on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you put clothes on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think pretty much the goal is that not wearing anything that would draw any special attention to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Special, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now looking, have I worn an occasional t-shirt that has a little bit of zing to it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that the goal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to wear something that people are drawing attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's kind of where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So well, okay, so it's for the shirt locker goes in for in that regard.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a little bit of both, you know, usually we stay within the gray zone for sure, but this particular one, life liked more of this one, yeah, you know, I'm sure he put it on and was like, hey, this this thing, call error design really looks good on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me, let me, you know, let me say some words, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean the taxi said hey legit, you know, but he did ask for a little some past designs to be kind of released or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I showed him that you know, that good one Another good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I showed it to him and said hey, we're kind of doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it was a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he texted me Which I understand well if life is happy if we're all happy that is correct.
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