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[UNKNOWN]: Hey!
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you fucked up by not joining those me saying hey, I was like calm down man, geez.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sorry Just get a little bit mad whenever you do a little bit of a good podcast bad podcast host.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like that good-rogan bad-rogan As I call it
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, we have a wonderful episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna be talking about from season four of Mad Men episode 10 hands in knees.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's something Vince's mom knows a little bit about.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we have a wonderful guest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stand up comedian, Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Viagas.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's up, Nick?
[SPEAKER_14]: Good, good.
[SPEAKER_14]: Awesome to see my friends.
[SPEAKER_14]: Mike, live.
[SPEAKER_14]: Thank you, Doug.
[SPEAKER_14]: I can't damn it.
[SPEAKER_14]: Melatonie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Vince Melatonie, those sleepyest Italian.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's really close to my actual personality.
[SPEAKER_05]: You are very sleepy.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone says it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nick, one thing you don't know about Vince, other than who he is, is that he takes a nap.
[SPEAKER_14]: Almost every day in Italian she has to exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know how to say that in Italian.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably like C.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: Theini.
[SPEAKER_04]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Make it copy anyways, so Nick we want our audience to know a little bit about you, and one of the ways we find out a little bit about you is to ask you what your favorite advertisement Okay, so I thought long and hard about this and I think that add the most like
[SPEAKER_14]: uh draws me in and probably the one I see the most it's an ad on Instagram for a mobile game that shows like fake gameplay of the mobile game yes yes it's like it's like uh when i can tell it's like
[SPEAKER_14]: a tower defense game where it's just like, like soldiers like coming at you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got a shoot, like you can and that shoot them.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: And it's edited for like TikTok brand idiots like me who were like on my phone six hours a day.
[SPEAKER_14]: And it always draws me in because they have like narrative stuff that happens where like they're about to get a power up and then the power up doesn't work
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the king is almost drowned.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where you got to save the king from drowning by collecting the cubes.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_14]: And there seem to be like 15 different ones that play.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: And I'm always really locked in on that because I've destroyed my brain with my phone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I one time early on I was like looking at this one game where it's like you're a little fish But if you eat little or fish you become a bigger fish and then you have to keep eating Fish and then you become big fish and then eventually you have to fight the shark and in the ad You always lose to the shark and I was like, oh, well, I wouldn't lose to the shark because I was just eat right with the little fish I'm built if that's how they get you
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, and so then I downloaded the game and it is just a card game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not a team plot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know, it's fake game play, fish.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, and it's insane because you're like, I really want to play the game that they advertised.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know you were allowed to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you haven't seen this event.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yes, you have a healthy nap schedule, so you don't like mess your mind up with, uh, I don't game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you don't even phone game?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, never.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I phone game.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I don't either.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't really come game.
[SPEAKER_14]: You don't phone game.
[SPEAKER_14]: You just get the end.
[SPEAKER_14]: No, I just watched the ads.
[SPEAKER_14]: What if you can tell?
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if you can tell.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know the name of the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no clearly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not even entirely sure which non-playable version of what game you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I have seen this type of ad.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's another type of phone game ad that is like for something called like home scapes or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: the ad is it's it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be like a hot lady and baby and then a husband who keeps taking all the blanket at night and then the lady gets hold and then the husband in the next game not see my autobiography.
[SPEAKER_14]: Well, it gets worse, and that's how stories in order to live.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, it's the way that humans play ourselves mobile games in order to live.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then later, the husband like cheats with a hot girl, and then...
[SPEAKER_04]: the cold lady and cold baby have to go into an empty house and you have to figure out how to make the house not cold and it's like do you want to do you want to fix the window or get the fire place going and then it's and I'm always just like that's a good question maybe I could stop flandering and we wouldn't have this problem you'd be inside my house and also why my help in this
[SPEAKER_14]: Anyway, it's really cool because it's not even a game.
[SPEAKER_14]: You can't play.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's like not even a game.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know kind of where I am when I'm watching.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like one of those things where it's like, I don't know why I'm seeing this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they say it's a game.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm pretty sure I've downloaded it and it's another one of those like this is just a card game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do they do this to me?
[SPEAKER_14]: Anyways, because it's because they know we would be so good at it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I think too.
[SPEAKER_14]: I would eat the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: The algorithm can tell by the way we do our viewing.
[SPEAKER_04]: they know how good you guys are at having mistresses that they're how dare you how dare you I would never have a mistress what I would have is a scenario in which I had no choice but to have sex with another lady in order to save my wife's life
[SPEAKER_04]: That is the only scenario that I can think of and with just okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to enjoy it either.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just no, I would hate it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would be crying because I'd be thinking of her dying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hate having sex with you another lady.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'd say.
[SPEAKER_14]: Um, but this is not certainly.
[SPEAKER_14]: I would have Central heating.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you're going to cheat, you know, hopefully there's a central heating.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, hopefully it's better than a fire.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't be cheating in no swamp cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whoa, is that Chris rock?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, this is not a podcast about scenarios in which it's okay to cheat on your wife.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is a podcast about Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we cannot start the podcast without first playing that famous Mad Men theme song.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right ladies and gentlemen and everyone else once again talking about season 4 episode 10 of Madman hands and knees events can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?
[SPEAKER_05]: After the agency lands a contract with North American aviation, Dawn and Betty are rattled when Department of Defense agents visit the Francis home as part of the security clearance process.
[SPEAKER_05]: Meanwhile, Joan finds out she's pregnant with Rogers' child and goes to have an abortion, and Lane's father is displeased when Lane expresses his feelings for an African-American waitress at the local Playboy Club.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's exactly the very thorough synopsis.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you write that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, of course I wrote that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah, I had Google write it for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, use it all Gemini.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, use it all the grock.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you ask grock, it wouldn't have said African American.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a song, a boy leader.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Vince, what was happening at a told me how much Ashkenazi blood she has?
[UNKNOWN]: She has.
[SPEAKER_05]: She has.
[SPEAKER_05]: What was then it?
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, rock, hey, rock.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you do the skull measurements on the one character?
[SPEAKER_05]: What percentage is Semitic?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think Don Draper is?
[SPEAKER_04]: But Vince, what was happening?
[SPEAKER_14]: I was, I was a, I was a miss of his, the Canphal hump.
[SPEAKER_14]: I was like, wait for us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, we got to know about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I tilt or whatever the fuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, um, events was happening at the time that this episode is set in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's right, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think what you're trying to say is we cannot evaluate our divorce.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, we cannot evaluate a period piece.
[SPEAKER_05]: And divorce from its period context.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we like to put a little of that context back in with a little segment that we call the news machine.
[SPEAKER_12]: I want my ass with Wall Street Journal.
[SPEAKER_12]: There is no big lie, there's no system.
[SPEAKER_08]: The universe is a different.
[SPEAKER_15]: Last news, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're going to make that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I made that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No big deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll, I'm very, you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very talented.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: They call him the Michelangelo of podcasts.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: They sure do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Payton at 16 chapel, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going all the way back.
[SPEAKER_05]: This episode airs September 26, 2010, which means we're going back to September 26, 1965 when this episode was set to the year.
[SPEAKER_05]: And hold on, being verified.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, we got a lot of changes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, changes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Change going come.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, change going to come.
[SPEAKER_14]: character from earlier that you're doing this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should be the character more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which character?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know the the the Chris Rock character that you're doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Jazz Man.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like jazz, we have, okay, so there's Vietnam going on, you got some trouble in China, but I'm trying to go to more like, big trouble in little China was happening, big trouble, there was big trouble in a little China, that's right, that's why we got the name.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I like to go to sport a little obscure get a little slice of life.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this one.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going over to the Miami Harold headline acid tosser hits again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: This could go either way.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's 1965 so
[SPEAKER_04]: acid tosser could be someone who's dosing people, but it sounds a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it is it not that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it darker?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hard for really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_05]: The mysterious youth who tosses acid at women's clothes and then runs away struck again Saturday in a crowded department store.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I feel like there was a time when acid attacks in the United States were more normalized.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they used to be nicer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now it's like they used them to blind and maim people.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now you don't really hear about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone just has a gun because they're like, what am I going to fucking learn chemistry?
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's that's right European right it is it's like it's something in a place where there's no guns.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have to use knives and acid They do have them here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you know DeAndre Hopkins the I think he was with the Ravens the half the Pro Bowl wide receiver
[SPEAKER_14]: The acid tosser on the Ravens, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's his mom.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great position to play.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I saw it on an episode of Hard Knocks where his mom was blind because one of her, another girl through there was like a love triangle situation like through acid on her and blinded her for life.
[SPEAKER_04]: God damn.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is not that though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, it was the fifth day in a row that such an attack as a Kurd police said, um, laboratory analysis has shown the liquid to be sulfuric acid, police said, this acid they said is commonly used in automobile batteries.
[SPEAKER_05]: The 16-year-old girl whose legs were splashed Saturday saw the youth who tossed the liquid, but he fled laughing down an escalator police said, Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_04]: someone you could prefer the joke or yeah dude this so the youth had sulfuric acid
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh and tossed it at her and was laughing the girl was not harmed in three of the previous attacks.
[SPEAKER_05]: The victims discovered large holes burned in their clothes One other victim suffered burns on her back when the acid ate through her garments.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god a Police said the acid tosser is apparently someone quote with a distorted sense of humor who gets a big bang out of seeing him Even the cops are kind of like look.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can see how it's funny
[SPEAKER_14]: He's not hurtin' anybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's a customer of gross dresses.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna pretend that I don't get the bit, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: But, you know, this could be dangerous.
[SPEAKER_14]: He did it again.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh boy.
[SPEAKER_14]: There was some prankster.
[SPEAKER_13]: Boys, we're all people.
[SPEAKER_13]: Boys.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: His flat boys will be boys.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_14]: So just when I'm clear, was this like the main news that was happening at the time?
[SPEAKER_14]: But this was, that was on front page news.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a few pages in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Still good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of not-front page news, this is from page 7, also of the Miami-Herald.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: New twist to old art.
[SPEAKER_05]: Representative HR Gross, the crusty Iowa Republican, failed recently in an attempt to amend the National Arts and Humanities Act.
[SPEAKER_05]: to include, quote, the irregular jacitations and or rhythmic contractions and coordinated relaxation of the serrati, obliques and abdominis recti, group of muscles, accompanied by rhetoric, underlations, tilts, and turns, timed with and attuned to the titillating and blending tones of synchronous woodwinds.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what the fuck is he talking about?
[SPEAKER_05]: Translation.
[SPEAKER_14]: Sounds like a music man song.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is the jazz man again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_05]: Translation, belly dancing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_14]: Now you get it, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: Sorry, so it's funding for that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the National Arts and Humanities Act, which I assume is some sort of arts funding body.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it's not around it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was at a time like maybe a year away from all arts funding being called Communists.
[SPEAKER_04]: Damn, so he wanted to, he wanted to do federal arts funding for belly dancing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think he wanted to give an NEA grant to his friend.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that dancer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: He sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's dad.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is an art.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, look, it's like,
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's funny too.
[SPEAKER_14]: Do you think we need to brought it up?
[SPEAKER_14]: People in Congress were like, um, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, everyone's like, I mean, I don't know enough about it to be racist about it.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, are you like going through something?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to try.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which are gross.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you describe it this way, by the way?
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a really long window.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you say jazzitations?
[SPEAKER_05]: I've never heard of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't need it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those are a lot of words that I've never heard of.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that maybe that's his kink.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like finding scientific ways to talk about things that he finds hot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, he's got like a real taxonomy fetish.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Well, what's it?
[SPEAKER_14]: What's it called when you jacitate your obliques?
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right.
[SPEAKER_13]: That'll be dancing again.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I always get done for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm having prostitorial palpitations right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, she's milking me with her index finger.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's lots of ways to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can have acid.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going all the way over to the Boston Globe for a headline.
[SPEAKER_05]: Monsters and murder are so real with LSD.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: This sounds a lot like someone's bad trip.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's what they're talking about.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you haven't tried it, don't knock it to clear the local college student.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've been snowed by a bunch of narrow-minded couch-side chitris at a second.
[SPEAKER_05]: Calls and letters protested warnings against marijuana, mind-distorting drugs, and glue sniffing in a globe series on drugs and youth last week.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the glue sniffing one really belongs to a separate category?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, you know, don't drink, don't smoke weed, and don't drink large amounts of paint.
[SPEAKER_14]: I know that you kids are up to.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I know you guys like crazy shit.
[SPEAKER_14]: I know the hippie movement, you know, sniffing glue.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you guys are all out there, shoving tail pipes up your ass and justing the carbon monoxide.
[SPEAKER_05]: The New England Journal of Medicine for Thursday contained an article by Dr. Darlene Powers of Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_05]: The article reported six adolescent patients with serious blood diseases resulting from
[SPEAKER_05]: I love this framing.
[SPEAKER_05]: The most common type of drug taken by college students is marijuana.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, why the fuck did you do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you make you look blue?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you mention doing something that is just like just incredibly dangerous.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is like that's and then just putting weed in there for no reason.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Max Rinkell of Boston, a immediate past president, society of biological psychiatry, was asked about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: He said he would have to accept psychoanalysts warnings of personality dangers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Rinkell contended there was no question that heroin addicts started out with marijuana.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, like they're really okay.
[SPEAKER_14]: So it's like heroin.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's glue and they're like the narrative weight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, basically like a weird really weird framing device for like a Q&A with like the pretty normal doctor who studies LSD.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the here's the question and answer part.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry once I get it's messing me up.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really weird though, because it's like uh, that mean that argument has been around forever It was just like, oh, you just a slippery slope, you know, first you're smoking weed And then one day you're uh, shoot in heroin and then you're hopping glue
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so this guy has taken LSD.
[SPEAKER_05]: He studied it.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the Q&A part.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there ever a time when it is safe for students to try LSD on their own?
[SPEAKER_05]: Answer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Never.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a number of patients who took LSD at parties and who suffer from panic, anxiety, feelings of unreality, illusions, hallucinations, or delusions.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean you shouldn't take it alone.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should take it with some with a friend who's who's not on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, then they can make you feel better.
[SPEAKER_04]: They can ground you or or like like an acid sherpa like people have that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, not don't take it ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some of these patients go into spontaneous hallucinatory experiences.
[SPEAKER_05]: The parents of a local student recently rushed him here from another city.
[SPEAKER_05]: He had been taking LSD and was suffering such continued anxiety they feared suicide.
[SPEAKER_05]: We were able to help him re-establish his self-control.
[SPEAKER_05]: We recently had to institutionalize a young girl for similar reason.
[SPEAKER_04]: other doctors have similar experience with recently there was a young girl we we had to give them a full frontal lobotomy because they were playing with their vagina too much because they smoked weed.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's a similar experience to LSD.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's very
[SPEAKER_14]: It's no more.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Sydney, go on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_14]: He's saying it's addictive, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying that it could, like, you could take it once and you're going to be crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's that whole, like, if you take acid, then what if you go crazy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Sidney Cohen of the Society of Biological Psychiatry reported a youth who committed himself to an institution because he had seen under LSD a vision that he had smothered his baby brother at age four.
[SPEAKER_05]: Police could not confirm any such incident.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Saul H. Rosenthal of the Massachusetts Mental Health Center wrote in the American Journal of Psychiatry about a 23-year-old female artist who, as a result of self-administering psychedelic drugs, had the terrifying illusion of seeing people decompose in the street in front of her.
[SPEAKER_05]: She had these illusions for five months after her last experience with the drug.
[SPEAKER_05]: She used to damn.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think when I do have acid like this, it's like kind of...
[SPEAKER_14]: colors that shoot around, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: Like, or like, doesn't it like hallucinate it anything like that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I never hallucinated anything ever, which sucks because I've wanted to, um, but it would be like, the worst would be, um, uh, like, everything is bendy, like, uh, like, like, you photo booth effect.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, photo booth effect.
[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my dick's so thick now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, it was really thin.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's essentially what?
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't ask it and my penis was seven in Jesus' form.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, I'm so scared!
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, I was the least.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never been that big.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah dude, I did masturbate one time on, or tried to masturbate while I was unassad and it was, that was to, it was like, I felt very much like a gorilla or like a monkey.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just kept, it was like in my head, I was like, I'm disgusting, I didn't come, I couldn't come because I was like, what am I, what am I, and eight, when I threw on my plate, you're like looking like face, like just straight down the barrel and being like, I don't wonder what's down there, yeah, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey, I'm a monkey
[SPEAKER_15]: It's essentially what it was though.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, I'm a dog.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm a dog.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm a dog like he's on balls.
[SPEAKER_15]: I am am.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was it wasn't good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, well, if I can't masturbate on this drug, then what's the point?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_14]: You just talk about like having sex on Molly or whatever.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's kind of done any of those crazy drugs like there's nothing
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a weed is I would say is the one drug that like makes it better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that is the one that's like, okay, that actually does help.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, if there's any 14 year olds listening to this.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, if you want to take a drug and jack off definitely do weed.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes, that's good.
[SPEAKER_14]: You'll enjoy that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, although afterwards, you're going to start thinking about all the homework you're not doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But anyways, if you're 14 and listening to this, please stop listening to this, this is where adults.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you've seen it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also don't tell anyone online that we're talking to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't tell anybody that it's our little secret.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's our little wrong, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: I just like say it's our little secret.
[SPEAKER_14]: And it's, and it's, it's your fault.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's your fault, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, do you guys feel properly contextual?
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we have all the context.
[SPEAKER_04]: We need to discuss this episode of Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my goal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we did it and before we get started on this episode, this week's Draper D story is mostly about Lane Price's storyline.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, my girlfriend's my friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never leave you, I think I'm gonna stay
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, now there's a bunch of British talking after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can listen to that full version of that song at the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yes, this is the episode in which we find out that lane price is dating a black woman and really wants is dad to know about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's desperate to have his dead no about us also the episode as you said when Joan gets an abortion maybe does she I don't know and the episode in which Don Draper thinks he's about to get found out for that thing that we've not cared about since season one Yeah, so let's general thoughts on this episode Vince
[SPEAKER_04]: To you, let me know.
[SPEAKER_04]: What'd you think?
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you took some of the words right out of my mouth You know, we talked we've talked about it how how much better the show seems to be After it evolves beyond being a show about Don Draper and install an identity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure So, you know, part of me was reluctant to have that become a plot point yet again at this late stage of season four but
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you know, conceptually, that's true, but I also think that this, or in this episode, uh, happened to incorporate that plot point so well that I mostly didn't mind like Dawn's secret identity in this case really only comes up again to give some extra weight to Roger losing the lucky strike account and Pete having to swallow his pride and uh, in that sense like I think they used it.
[SPEAKER_05]: really well it wasn't the thing that I cared about but you know it was in there and uh... you know it was a rich tapestry i guess i said i would say but um... uh... for the most part i think my favorite thing about this episode is just uh... as another reflection of how much math you wiener fucking hates the English like he really hates really hates the UK and everyone in it and uh... i don't know there's something charming about i agree uh... nick uh... your general thoughts please
[SPEAKER_14]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_14]: So yeah, um, I think this episode was, yeah, this isn't episode.
[SPEAKER_14]: I kind of forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_14]: That happened.
[SPEAKER_14]: I just remembered that the, the, the, the lane story line.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that's obviously really funny.
[SPEAKER_14]: Which part of it?
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if you have this in notes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_14]: You know what that lady is in three LW, the actress?
[SPEAKER_14]: Three LW.
[SPEAKER_14]: What's three LW?
[SPEAKER_14]: They were like a pop group in the early 2000s, so she was like this, yeah, she's like a singer who's sort of famous.
[SPEAKER_14]: I love that, but
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, okay, so the thing I really thought about the show is like, so I really love Madman.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's like my favorite show seen it a million times and like the knock that people say about it is that like it's so mean to like women.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right, sure.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like this episode, like every man in it is so pathetic.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like, yeah, such a fucking loser and like, yeah, it's just, yeah, and like all of the women are like trying their best and like trying to accommodate and live meaningful lives around these awful men, we're like begging them for various things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's this is like everyone is at a very particular level of scumbaggery in this episode within their various relationships.
[SPEAKER_04]: The only one.
[SPEAKER_04]: that turns out to be like someone normal, paradoxically is peat.
[SPEAKER_04]: At this point, peat is a normal guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, because he starts off this series, you think he's, you know, he's the heel of the show, kind of the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in this episode, when Dawn is freaking out about this
[SPEAKER_04]: security clearance check.
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to tell truety, but he's not sure exactly, you know, what to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: And truety, you know, reminds him like, hey, that's whatever it is, it's not your problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also, feel this baby in my stomach.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, it's cute, because you're like, oh, this is nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that Pete is like a family man now, and not a rapist.
[SPEAKER_04]: the way it sure everyone usually is racist on the show.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, but also that scene with Pete where he's like some people they just leave like wreckage behind them.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: So you're a fucking kid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_14]: So, this is a space for redemption.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Season 4 is about redeeming him for a little.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I love this episode for a lot of the same reasons.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love Lane being
[SPEAKER_04]: featured prominently just to, I don't know, it only has nothing to do with the business.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, nothing to do with the business.
[SPEAKER_04]: It exists explicitly for him to try to like assert some sort of, I don't know, agency in a family dynamic that we don't know anything about, but we just kind of assume it because like, well, he is British.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I bet his dad hits him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, England was really suck the way he talks about it and right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess it's true English the England sucks I and I agree I liked Don You know, I was a little annoyed at like okay, we're back with this whole fucking thing, you know With his secret identity and you know him being a disserter
[SPEAKER_04]: but it all leads to a place that I think is hilarious and we'll get into into that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And once we get there, we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's multiple ironies of what people are saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like, you know, as we said, it's great when you feel like you know more than the characters in a movie or show and this whole episode is sort of a masterpiece of us knowing more than the people in the scene and those things making what they're saying funny.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes, right, so yeah, also I just want to say sorry another blameless man or man who look at this episode or The Beatles
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Beatles did really wrong in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Although they did make a child scream, right, which is very problematic.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, we'll start, I have thoughts about that specifically, but we'll get, well, no, let's get into that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the show, you know, at least in Don's storyline, it opens with him calling Sally.
[SPEAKER_04]: and telling her that they are going to see the Beatles live at Shae Stadium and this is what happened.
[SPEAKER_08]: You think your friends are going to be jealous when they find out you're going to see the Beatles on Sunday at Shae Stadium?
[SPEAKER_10]: What?
[SPEAKER_08]: You heard me?
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hello?
[SPEAKER_08]: Sound?
[SPEAKER_08]: Hello, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to need her Sunday.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're going to see the Beatles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you look them apple.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's like a terrorist attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: He just lies about it too.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, he just did it to try and make her go deaf.
[SPEAKER_14]: So yeah, I don't have like being in my mind and love about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I bought you a pony and guess where she's going to live at your mom's house.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I had a, like, a little argument with my wife, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was asking like, did little girls always like scream in that way when excited?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, uh, because your wife was a little girl at one point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, no, I just like, I was like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It girls always scream like that for pop stars or was this like a thing Invented in the 50s and 60s that sort of carried over sure now like what were we just condition to believe that that is how you were supposed to react like right and seeing I've always had this question.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have the same question when I would see when I would see someone crying in the audience of a show
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was always just like like a seeing their favorite whoever like fucking whether TV wonder or Michael Jackson and they're crying and I'm like why there's a very famous like Justin Bieber one and it just it doesn't like I guess I understand why people were freaked out about Elvis like when you see like a bunch of girls like spontaneously crying because you're kind of like what the fuck is yeah Yeah, why is this little boy making my child cry?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know the answer to that, but it does feel like it was a product of like modern celebrity culture, but maybe it is a thing that has always occurred, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I feel like one direction.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: There were people who were,
[SPEAKER_14]: Screaming in my school.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: It was okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember, you know, during the like the late 90s, early 2000s boy band craze, there was in St.com backstreet boys.
[SPEAKER_04]: People were like screaming and crying for those.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I never, and I still to this day, don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, and I'm emotionally intelligent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm someone who does does,
[SPEAKER_04]: cry when I see something beautiful or listen to some really beautiful music.
[SPEAKER_14]: I can't understand getting excited.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right, but are you into sports?
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think I'm pretty emotional about it.
[SPEAKER_14]: I get I get the loud.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess so maybe that is a corollary.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to say though because it's like
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no stakes, like I only get loud when either something really good or something really bad happens.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's so I'm crying, it's like I'm reacting, but like the reacting is essentially like it's the most beautiful man I've ever seen is in front of me singing a song.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to break down in tears and I'm like that does seem like.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's trauma happening.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mostly have to get to sports the way that I react to other people on the road where I'm when I'm driving, which is that I will swear at people and say horrible things and not even realizing, realize, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then I'm saying it where I'm watching basketball next to my four-year-old and I'm like, oh, good one, you fucking moron in this shit.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I think, all right, I forgot that I'm doing that out loud.
[SPEAKER_14]: If you're recently divorced,
[SPEAKER_14]: Dad, talked to on the phone and he was like, kid, you're meeting LeBron tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like, do you think you would be like, oh, good.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I would be like, oh, you mean LeBron?
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would be like, oh, you mean the piece of shit and LeBits, you never played basketball good ever once.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I would say.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a OG Hater.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always hate it, always will.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, I feel like I was excited, but I can't imagine like squealing and crying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you know, and what, so wait, why'd you get what part led to a fight with your wife?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I wasn't a fight.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was just, I was just saying like, how I think it feels like a product of modern, I didn't say it this articulately, but I was like, I feel like little girls didn't always do this.
[SPEAKER_05]: It feels, it feels like something modern that we sort of invented them on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And somehow this turned into a fight.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it wasn't a fizz in that like plastic wife stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, no classic now she was just like no I think little girls have always done that and I was like, how do you make it a criminal stick?
[SPEAKER_04]: You're fulking Right, I wish was recording of what how you were saying it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like, we'll sorry I didn't say it that articulate
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I was saying it while I was watching March Madness and we did be the threat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Grunted and said stupid bitch and I like that for some reason.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like your mom.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're just like your drunk dad.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll always be him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don and Pete are later at a meeting with North American Aviation.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is something that Pete has been working on for a few seasons now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they've got them in the room.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're brainstorming ads.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ads that don't include words like, we will help you kill more Vietnamese children.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll say of all the things they do on the show.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like their political stuff is the hardest for me to figure out like one.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're even doing like are they making?
[SPEAKER_05]: television commercials are they doing this like one I was that says plain good Don't think about bomb Yeah, I don't know what they're doing this Yeah, I have money like it and I get but Be to be thing where they're advertising like claims to other
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was yeah, that's the part of copywriting where I could never get that job because I don't understand the nuance of like B to B and the things that were you're not speaking to the consumer right hard for me to understand in general.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know what's going on in and other than they're trying to advertise North American aviation without talking about bombs, but wouldn't the the target of that ad be like other people in government that will give you more money to do more bombs?
[SPEAKER_14]: Boeing has ads.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: It does.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: But it's just for like PR generally.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But sure it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like is the Boeing add directed at someone who's going to buy a ticket to fly Boeing or is it aimed at like the government?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just more of a general.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a really good question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do they?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's it for?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like you see an
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you don't really mean you sort of I guess you sort of got to choose the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's not enough people tell me what I do is a funny joke anymore
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm actually been working for a plan.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I've been in the market for a plan.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'll tell him I'll say later when I'm like talking about this podcast.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I had this like, that was really good.
[SPEAKER_14]: It wasn't wild.
[SPEAKER_14]: I was like, that's a premise, maybe.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, so he says, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: He's like, I'm not going to replace it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he said that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So later, we see Betty is at home and two G-men show up and they start doing a background check check on Don because this is a government ties, they need government clearance in order to have this account and the scene is so funny because they are trying to find out whether or not he's essentially a Soviet spy, but every question they ask is like, hey, do you think that he
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think he's a good husband?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's really it's I've actually been on the other end of this film really I've had to participate in like an FBI background check
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was a college friend of mine that I like I live with for a little bit and why were they checking on him is it because he was going to Who's going to do something?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he was, you know, it was some security clearance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's getting a job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was trying to fly a plane.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you want to know whether he wanted a Boeing or maybe Saw your friend as a flight school, but he never wants to know how to land the plane.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how he's going to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's really bad at landings.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's flying the simulation.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he's still circling, he
[SPEAKER_04]: So, she talks to the G-man and I love the questions.
[SPEAKER_13]: Ms. Francis, you were married to Donald Draper for how long?
[SPEAKER_07]: 11 years.
[SPEAKER_08]: And in general, would you describe him as a man of integrity?
[SPEAKER_07]: We divorced.
[SPEAKER_07]: We obviously had differences.
[SPEAKER_04]: Betty, do you think, for a second, they're not talking about whether or not he cheated on you?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I love about Betty.
[SPEAKER_04]: Betty is so like self-involved that for her, she's just like, is this a chance to dish.
[SPEAKER_04]: But no, but I also think it is really, a really funny written scene in which the questions that are asked are essentially, they could double as, you know, a marriage critique.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did you belong to any clubs or organizations?
[SPEAKER_14]: Would you describe him as loyal?
[SPEAKER_05]: So generally, I like that they wrote it so that her desire to talk shit on Don is like in direct conflict with her wife.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: To not a little business in the streets or revealing anything about her.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: If not even for her own, but like not even for him, but almost for her and for her husband who is a political person, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like she's like fuck oh god there's nothing I want more than to Put dawn away in a federal prison But I will certainly yeah I don't know if this is jumping ahead, but at the end of the episode when they're when Pete's like talking about this
[SPEAKER_14]: It seems like he's just kind of like, yeah, they don't think that you're a communist.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they're not really... Yeah, they're not trying to figure out who you are.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're like, it's funny because the questions that they ask are not much different than the questions that they ask now, when I was doing this, they did ask questions like that where they're like, do you have any reason to believe that he's not loyal to America?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they didn't ask like, specific.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cold war questions about like the Soviet Union and communism, but it was like he's he's like a loyal guy He's loyal to America, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, oh, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what's crazy is I'm thinking about that exact thing and I'm like number one like fuck I guess I'm not
[SPEAKER_04]: like, I'm not loyal to America, like in the slightest.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so there's that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it's like, but the problem is, I have no one to give the nuclear plans, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, it's just like, it's like, China already got all the shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: They already know.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like, yeah, I just have no avenue for which to be this loyal.
[SPEAKER_14]: There is so funny if they were interviewing you, you're like, no, I like really hate America.
[SPEAKER_14]: No, straight up, I'm really dangerous.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really, yeah, I really, I would take any chance to hurt America's interests in the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know how yet.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's just, have you ever done that?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I do comedy.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm a podcast.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I always do my best.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very, like, child-like world view of the already figures, where it's like, oh, is he loyal to America?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, in their minds, I feel like they're imagining Apple in that Simpsons episode, where he's like, trying not to get deported.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's wearing that.
[SPEAKER_05]: He has to be cowboy hat and flags all over.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's a horror, where he's like, how do you partner?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like hot dog.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_05]: It reminded me of my only and previous jury duty experience where, like, the first question, like, I got to the stage where they're, like, you know, they're asking everybody questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: I forget how many people it was down to and they were like, do you have any, I think they were at the ask.
[SPEAKER_05]: no they asked the group the question do you uh the question was so broad it was like would you guys ever have any reason to not trust things that the government tells you that was the question and i like raise my hand and i and i a second later like i've looking around and i'm realizing that i was the only one
[SPEAKER_04]: raise their hands and I'm like that's even worse when you ask it that broadly like wouldn't everybody know I would literally look around it at everyone else and be like are you children yeah right like are you trying to pass it out or you want the money yeah how long ago is this
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this was probably 20 years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, 20 years ago, America was doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because the war on terror, yeah, America was free of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, 20 years ago, yeah, well, that was okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: We, this was in the war, that's the world bomb.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, as a whole bomb, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Those were when, when she was tight and good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was before we had a Muslim in the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Betty tells Dawn about the security clearance check and he like freaks the fuck out I like kind of watching him have a panic attack because he goes from, you know, zero to 60 In this really funny way where he just gets really wide eyed and sweaty.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something about like
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say if I'm comparing John Hamm to other leading men that we've had on, you know, previous shows like James Gandalfini playing like Tony soprano, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like
[SPEAKER_04]: Gandolfini had I think a lot of different modes of Tony that were all distinct and fun and interesting and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don Draper doesn't have as many.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's kind of like does a lot of I'm mysterious hot man or like I'm sad sad hot man or I'm drunk.
[SPEAKER_05]: But there's mostly like I'm disguising the fact that I'm confused by looking stern.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but he has one thing that Tony Sprano doesn't have, which is, I am suffering mode, which I love John Hammond.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when he's sweaty and shaking and like his mouth is like,
[SPEAKER_04]: If I break it, I love that shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me more of Don Draper suffering.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's so fascinating to watch when he's suffering.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they can do so much with John Hamm by just putting two hairs out of place.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because we never have a screw.
[SPEAKER_05]: They never are.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, all right, you just make his hair like a tad bit right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why is that strand in that position?
[SPEAKER_04]: He must be going through it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Don tells Pete about this security clearance issue and Pete's face goes from smug to horrified where he realizes like, oh, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot that you're like, you know, not who you say you are and shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like giving him this whole thing about like he's prepared to live his life on the lamb where he's just like if I have to run.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to need you to run this business for me and the impetus like Jesus Christ Like he's he's exhausted Dr. Miller you know how to do advertising right
[SPEAKER_04]: You just say things and then but you got to say it like mysterious and then people think you're a genius Yeah, you know when they get drunk you just agree with what they say, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like we that's what we do here Yeah, there's a moment where Don is asking for an Update from Pete about This whole security clearance situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: He has a friend at the Department of Defense and he's like can you check in?
[SPEAKER_04]: And Pete is like, you know, essentially trying to be like, Don, it'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can we just not like, what's the big deal?
[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't there a statute of limitations?
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, there's no statute of limitations on desertion.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Pete has this moment where you see that he essentially says, Damn, I knew this whole time that the whole like, Who cares speech that Bert Cooper did in the first season was total bullshit?
[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, I knew I was right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I knew that it was like he did this whole thing was like who cares no one cares and he's like oh I forgot the government cares so Pete is kind of pissed that he's now in this position because of dawn I don't think that's actually true like I think I don't think the government actually cares like I don't think
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: In this case, it's done.
[SPEAKER_05]: Draper is not a communist and he's doing advertising for the defense department.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that they care that he stole another guy's identity in 1957.
[SPEAKER_14]: Maybe they wouldn't even figure it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does seem like you're wondering whether or not Dawn is making a big thing of it, or it is a big thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, certainly in the show, Dawn is making a big thing of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what I really, really like is Dr. Miller shows up, sees that Dawn is like sweaty and feverish.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh, I got to take you home.
[SPEAKER_04]: They go to his apartment and these two guys who are like trying to get his attention, because they're looking for someone or what not, and Dawn has a full-blown panic attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can barely get into the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: He starts vomiting and what's his name?
[SPEAKER_04]: And Dr. Faye is just like, you're not having a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just a panic attack, essentially.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he just goes and hurt.
[SPEAKER_04]: He goes, you're not a real doctor.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all, that's all.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Such a fucking asshole.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know your job isn't real.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean going back to the soprano is like he's just basically doing the adult version of AJ soprano when they break into the school and throw all the trophies in the pool where
[SPEAKER_05]: They tell him that they have his DNA and he's like, oh no, it's like this, it's the kitchen reaction where you immediately go straight to Oh dang it the government knows everything.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, when like in reality it's like they don't fucking know shit It was like hair that much like what he'd be executed by firing squad right?
[SPEAKER_14]: He would just yeah, he would probably go to jail for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: It would like it's And my ruin his advertising career, but he is acting like there's a worldwide man hunt for him
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: You would pay off one guy at the DOD or even like, hey, here's that you want some beetles tickets for your daughter and they got to be like, yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to do anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then we'll.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, if you would charm his way out of a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_04]: He would it would it would change his show to be like a breaking bad style show where he uses advertising to get out of sticky situations.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it is, oh my god, is that producer Brent Flyberg?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I heard you saying you're going to use the advertising to get out of sticky situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we point some ads to maybe get out of our sticky financial situation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's Matt is very sticky.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_05]: As a general rule.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a sticky man and I mean, more than sticky.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got a sticky situation for y'all.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you hear an ad for the CIA, don't join.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's right, everyone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ads are coming up.
[SPEAKER_04]: You need to listen to them, but you don't need to join the CIA.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you hear that ad, don't join.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stop telling me about the ad and start not joining the CIA.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_04]: and we're back this matches of a man here with my homie Nick what's up Nick
[SPEAKER_04]: Much.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's join.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I want to see the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to see C. I.
[SPEAKER_04]: A.
[SPEAKER_04]: The world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_04]: I should pitch that to them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: To finish off the Dawn Story line and what makes it so funny to me is so earlier, there's a scene in which you find out that this whole thing happened, the security clearance.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you ask,
[SPEAKER_04]: Megan, uh, his new secretary since the death of Miss Blankenship, uh, put the security clearance paper.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, RIP to, we love you Miss Blankenship.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're the coolest one.
[SPEAKER_04]: She was, she was, she was certified freak.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Seven days a week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Went at it.
[SPEAKER_14]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Watch me so frequently.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: She would do a split on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, like, she's taken over the desk and she puts a piece of paper in front of them and he signs it.
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't even read it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there were some errors on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's like, like his birthday was wrong or whatever, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some shit was off.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she almost gets fired over this.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a really, you know, like, she essentially says, it's okay if you want to fire me and Dawn being panicked.
[SPEAKER_04]: doesn't, and it's just like in survival mode.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's doing a goof as in talent.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we've already seen an example of what not to do from junior female employees at this company.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where I forget the flower, the flower secretary, when Lane... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yes, she immediately like blamed it on lanes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, then you know if it was Ms. Blank and ship obviously like she would immediately turn it around on Dawn and be like Yeah, I put it in front of you desk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know what you want me to do Yeah, I'm not my fault.
[SPEAKER_05]: You were drunk She was immediately gone hard whereas Megan is like the perfect Catalog secretary where she's like oh, I'm so sorry like if you want to beat me, it's okay, right and do do we do
[SPEAKER_14]: Spoiler is on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_04]: Dr. Miller is there with Dawn, and in the scene after he throws up, he's like, I'm just tired of running, I'm tired of, you know, having this big secret and just spills the beans, tells her everything, tells her, you know, like, I've fought in Korea, the other guy died with the switch star dog tags, I took his identity, and now I am technically a desserter, and I have a fake
[SPEAKER_04]: And Fay is like, I'm really, you know, I'm glad you told me that and I'm watching the scene and I'm like, man, this is certainly like a level of honesty that's a great basis for starting a real relationship, you know, one based on like truth and trust undoing the mistakes that he made with Betty, no lies about who he really is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing hanging over his head.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a good, healthy
[SPEAKER_14]: There's a last shot, a young slut that was supposed to be with me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, one who was willing to just fall on her sword.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm maybe she could fall on my sword though.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so funny because you truly, if this is your first time watching it, you know, sorry to anyone.
[SPEAKER_04]: But, uh,
[SPEAKER_04]: like you think at first.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think even if it's your first time watching it, you see that moment right after Fay leaves the room and Megan is like just putting her makeup on and Dawn is just staring at her and you like God damn it Dawn God damn it
[SPEAKER_04]: You literally could have a healthy relationship right now and he just chooses, well, I guess we'll see what he chooses in future episodes.
[SPEAKER_14]: And also, also, Fay, like, accepts him for who he is.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_14]: In the next day, she's smart, not sort of an intellectual equal to him.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's all age-appropriate.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's and then she kind of walks out of a door and Megan's in the open door.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so it's like home.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so funny because Don is just he stays being gone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, that is how that storyline ends.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now we got to talk about Lane's storyline.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a quick one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It exists.
[SPEAKER_04]: It almost could exist in any episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't factor into anything other than showing Matthew Weiner taking another shot at the brits.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, Lane thinks that his wife and kids are coming, but he shows up to the lobby to greet them with a balloon and a Mickey Mouse stuffy and it's his dad, uh, and his dad is classic British guy.
[SPEAKER_14]: What happened there?
[SPEAKER_14]: He was expecting his family.
[SPEAKER_04]: I assume that he had the Mickey Mouse stuffy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he was expecting the son Nigel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: OK. Yeah, I love that they just use all the most stereotypical written.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_05]: Nigel?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He has his son named Nigel when he's got a dad who's a main prick who is a cane everywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they from shrub trial, you know, yeah, we don't, yeah, anyway, it's, uh, it's, and it's sunwork and I get me a glass of room temperature being.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, can you get me something soft to drink?
[SPEAKER_14]: And on to a side of you too much.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, a side of water.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_15]: Ooh, can I get more breadflavering inside this one?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, the beer's too spicy.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, beer's too spicy.
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't like this city.
[SPEAKER_15]: Don't nobody serve the wet part of me.
[SPEAKER_15]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_06]: This hot oil, Larry.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ah, the pee.
[SPEAKER_15]: The hot boiled egg broke one of me teeth out.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's too odd, it's odd-boiled, so it turns out it's his British dad and he is sad.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, oh, I guess I'm not seeing my son.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not leaving, but hey, since you're here, let's go out to eat.
[SPEAKER_04]: um and Lane and Dawn go together to the Playboy Club with his father and Lane requests quote that lovely creature to drop by and it's a black Playboy bunny girl named Tony.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that like before you know that Tony is his mistress, you just you just think that Lane is like some Disney Channel Starlet who's like yeah, determined to show the world like dad.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I fuck now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I am a sexual being I don't want you to treat me like a child anymore because I am sexual and I fuck
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I cheat on my wife, so what dad?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm a man, just like you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like what I love about this is this storyline, it's like we so often see this trope of like a white girl dating a black guy to make her dad mad.
[SPEAKER_04]: But in this case, Matthew Weener is just like, not British man or the men are the white girls of the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like all British men are white girls who are trying to scare their fathers.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is incredibly strange for it to be the storyline, but also, and it's cringy, it's like hard to watch at moments, but also, I don't know, there's something about lanes almost in-cell like character that I put down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just, I love watching him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love watching him be weird, you know?
[SPEAKER_05]: And tell he said chocolate bunny, which gave me like full body shippers.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, showing his dad, his like,
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah, I mean he calls her a chocolate, but yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm just reliving me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, people as chocolate, like it's so weird to just refer to someone as like something that you can eat.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it's it's it's it's weird in ways that I can't entirely articulate, but it did give me like a full body just egg feeling.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, he brought his dad and Don too.
[SPEAKER_14]: He like run the cool kid.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes, it looks like so you like I'm cool like you like I cheat on my wife and like
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably there is some money exchange, yeah, and it sucks because like Don didn't want to go But he's like, please, it would be a personal favor and then they go there and he's just like Bring your black one over here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, don't look at each me lock in a black one and he's just like why am I here
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel so fucking bad for him because like yeah, what point he's touching Tony and Tony's like Mr. Mr. Price and he looks over at Dawn and Dawn is like what the fuck why are I here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you make me do this?
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, they do have that moment the chocolate bunny line is is truly disgusting.
[SPEAKER_09]: Here's that You know that I love you I chopped the bunny I love you too
[SPEAKER_09]: just wanted father to meet you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, that was a silly way to do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know why you're asking for trouble.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, you're in my life.
[SPEAKER_09]: I wanted to know why I'm staying.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why do you have to be so damn dehashing?
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_04]: These two people who are just so culturally different, they all find each other attractive for reasons that aren't real.
[SPEAKER_14]: You know, the most fetish, the fetish eyes.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're wondering, you're just like, well, what is, I get, you know, what he sees in her, she's hot.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what is she seeing him?
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, oh, he has a British accent.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, but he also likes her for the thing.
[SPEAKER_14]: He's like the white girl.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes, he's a black guy, freshman year of college.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_14]: Well, yeah, yeah, just like yeah, like it's like the whole episode's about like baggings, you know, and it's like that's him just begging his dad and daughter thinking it's cool.
[SPEAKER_14]: fucking black girl and I'm cheating on my wife.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like you guys like I'm cool, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like I'm cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just like you, too, I just, I like it because that scene sort of, it does a good job of communicating the rare dichotomy that is what's his name, Richard Harris.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is Richard Harris, no, his father's Richard Harris, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't have a lane price Jared Harris.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jared Harris.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like Jared Harris has this rare dichotomy where he can be an in-sell and sort of dashing like at the same time in ways that most like that he could go from calling her a chocolate bunny and giving you a full body cringe to two seconds later she says but you're so damn dashing and you can kind of see what she means like at the same time it's very it's like you find him
[SPEAKER_05]: Dashing like I could see how someone could find him dashing like he is he's like Like he's a really ugly man, but like he is picture-esquely ugly at the same time like he is Beautiful in his own what he's like ugly hot in the way that only certain types of British people can be I think I'm sorry are you guys
[SPEAKER_04]: This I'm just did your power just go off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my power went out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't think about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're talking about like are you being bombed?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm in Lebanon right now.
[SPEAKER_14]: Matt has to go to sleep.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: was like no I just get just with the blanket over his cage oh no there's a way yeah we're back no um I what I was gonna say is I did not know until you just mentioned it Vince Richard Harris is Jared Harris's dad I did not know that yeah he's an apple baby I did not know he's an apple baby he's really good though
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's some Neppo babies who were just talented, so it's okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think if you're gonna be a Neppo baby in any industry, it should be like acting, because you think, I do think if you have theatrical parents and upbringing, like it does make you probably better at that, like the other people are.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really, I don't, if I agree with that, but I do agree that, I think if you're gonna, like, the only Neppo babies that are okay are presidents.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you can only be president if your dad was president.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's right, right or basketball player or basketball That's what I was going to say.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, so yes, yes, Jalen Bronson is fine.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, it's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Peyton Jr. Yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Lane finally admits to his dad, uh, you know, I'm dating a black girl.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you scared?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you jealous?
[SPEAKER_04]: You're jealous.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't even get it up any more.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're so fucked up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and she's black.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she's black.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Be racist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you gonna do hit me with your cane?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it is such a funny, getting your ass beat by your dad's scene here it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Out with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I see you face.
[SPEAKER_09]: How you hold a stroke that I found someone I love or that she's a Negro.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're coming.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm afraid I've moved on.
[SPEAKER_09]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what's crazy about that is, bro, you can't beat your dad's ass, are you serious?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they made like he cold cocked him with a really hard cane.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Matthew Weiner had just seen Braveheart and he's like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to do a long shanks right here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's gonna whack him with his mailed glove.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's what was going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe this was like Richard Harris beating up his own son.
[SPEAKER_04]: Think about it.
[SPEAKER_14]: You know, so that actor is actually his dad.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_14]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: No
[SPEAKER_04]: who was Richard Harris he was in like a Harry Potter right before he died he was like the original the OG Dumbledore um oh cool he was uh yeah he was like he's like a famous guy he was in a bunch of shit you know fucking countermanic crystal and
[SPEAKER_04]: He was in gladiator.
[SPEAKER_04]: He played the Marcus Aurelius, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, anyways, famous British actor.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess he's Irish.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's an Irish actor.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't want to call him British.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_04]: My bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chuck Eola, Tolerary Irish listeners.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know about that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Chuck Eola?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like some Irish saying for... Is that in Shaloff or Irish people?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I can Shaloff Irish people.
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[SPEAKER_14]: what do you think he means when he says like you can't live in between like why does it should you why is he just like stop cheating on your wife?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think what he's saying is you're either uh I mean maybe I'm wrong about this but it's like hey stop stop doing this like your halfway in halfway out of this family you need to go home
[SPEAKER_04]: and get your shit in order either get a divorce and you know move on from the family or move back home.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think he's just saying it's like it's embarrassing that you're like out here
[SPEAKER_04]: It's embarrassing to me that you don't have the balls to abandon your family.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like this, like, secretive shit is lame and you're an in-sell bitch.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's funny because it's like none of the reasons for why he wants him to go home have to do with him dating a black woman.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the fact that he's, you know, I mean, I'm sure that's, yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of it's there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he is British.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll take a good guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I see a good guy, honestly.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it is, I like that lane tries to make it political.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, this is bigger than you and me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, no, it's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's actually between you and your wife.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's actually not even about me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: The only way it's about me is that I'm embarrassed to be related to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Joan and Roger, this is a final story line, it's a quick one and a significant one, at least in one aspect.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joan is pregnant and it can't be Greg's because it's been seven weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the math on the whole thing, but I assume that that adds up, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are they in any way saying that it's not his baby?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think it's his.
[SPEAKER_04]: It says, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So after this, the next scene is really has a hilarious opening in which the doctor chides Roger, or you're ruining this woman.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you don't see the reverse shot.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the woman is there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Joan, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But he talks about her as if she's not in the room.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: This more destroyed her.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've soiled her.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want her now?
[SPEAKER_04]: You ruined her.
[SPEAKER_04]: Discussing.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's damaged goods.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like she's just sitting right there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_14]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, she's sitting there and she's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's just like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He landed that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you have to say about that Roger?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we getting in?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Roger's mad because he's like, listen, I came to you not to be judged.
[SPEAKER_04]: I came to you for one reason and that one reason is, do you have an illegal abortion doctor?
[SPEAKER_15]: I could take her to.
[SPEAKER_15]: So put a gun that, oh yeah, can we suck it out or can we not suck it out?
[SPEAKER_05]: You've just read this situation.
[SPEAKER_05]: You are not the advice man.
[SPEAKER_05]: You are the kill baby man.
[SPEAKER_14]: And I wrote down the storyline, it's like the contest for abortion.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like they never say abortion.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_14]: There's like take care of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the same way the mafia orders a hit.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like no one is talking about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Roger and Joan are like at, you know, eating together and he's feeling terrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love going through Rogers.
[SPEAKER_04]: process of guilt because he doesn't know how to feel and he keeps trying to find ways in which to improve what is just ultimately a really shitty situation and I have that scene right here.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean what if this is a sign, I haven't stopped thinking about you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'd be able to love with you.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, when he comes home, who's gonna know the difference?
[SPEAKER_07]: It wouldn't be my child.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's make that clear.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean.
[SPEAKER_07]: If he comes home, Craig Dying is not a solution to them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm desperate.
[SPEAKER_05]: Listen, I'm just spitballing here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I'm in love with you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it won't even matter because that would be dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, definitely kill it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you don't, maybe you could raise it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not with me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And no one could ever know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Greg would raise it.
[SPEAKER_04]: If he survives, what if he dies?
[SPEAKER_04]: Then we'll really be free.
[SPEAKER_14]: Just try anything.
[SPEAKER_14]: We'll just throw and hit the ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it doesn't inconvenience me too much.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's desperately searching for how to have his cake and eat it, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so, like, yeah, we get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_14]: Or, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Is there any way, or whatever you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Maybe weird, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: Or maybe a one.
[SPEAKER_04]: How can we, how can we shorten your cat this baby?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where it's both dead and alive at the same time?
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, I'm just like, I can't stuff.
[SPEAKER_14]: I wrote down her social media episode.
[SPEAKER_14]: I wrote down the manner so mad in this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, an apt note, an apt note.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will say the men were particularly mad this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: The men were mad.
[SPEAKER_04]: That day, my friend.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_14]: guy who's never seen the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, guys, man, they are mad.
[SPEAKER_14]: Ah, those men.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, those men.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of extra mad at the abortion place.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joan is talking to a crying mother of a teen mom who's about to get a little bit of boredy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then mother is talking to Joan, and Joan is realizing that she thinks that she has also brought her daughter in.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she lies.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, my daughter's 15.
[SPEAKER_14]: And then it cuts to, you know,
[SPEAKER_14]: make it suckin' up baby.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: The scene after in which she's like on the train alone, I don't know what you guys think of this, but like, did you get an abortion?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, I think we'll find out later episode it's hard to have you have you have you not seen the show I have seen it, but I I forgot I forgot I forgot what forgot I forgot what happened I forgot what had happened Oh, so I guess think she got it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to ruin it for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, don't ruin it for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't ruin it for me, but I think I know now Let's let's just say they avoided a tragedy
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay, you're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just say that life begins a conception.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so, in the meantime, while she's getting an abortion, a little abortion is happening to Sterling Cooper Draper Price.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm great at this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lee Garner Jr. is taking Lucky Strike's business elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: He pays the bill, which was kind of like giving a cigarette, someone who's about to be executed for the first time ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: He pays for a bill and Rogers like, oh, God, oh, God, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: And is like, are you being nice to me?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you hate me?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, what do you what do you mean you're paying the bill and then a little like sniper laser pointer goes to his right?
[SPEAKER_14]: What I forget when is the Christmas that was That was a few efforts ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I forget I was even this season was it the season probably I know
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he is Rogers like begging him to not do this and the way he does is by saying that they're family and I love the moment where he admits he's like I invited you to my daughter's wedding.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why you didn't get the invitation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're sad.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're family Invite you to my daughter's wedding
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why you didn't get the invitation you should fire your secretary is what you should do not fire your agency I just I love him even in the moment in which he He's like begging for his life.
[SPEAKER_04]: He brings up a What was clearly something or he didn't invite him at all?
[SPEAKER_04]: He did not invite him to the two of starters when yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: very funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and Roger was able to get him to agree to 30 days before, um, they decide to, um, you know, take their business.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's got 30 days to, I guess, try to get new business or figure something out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's about to tell the partners.
[SPEAKER_04]: But,
[SPEAKER_04]: Pete has just lost the American Aviation account.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joan has just had her an abortion, and he is just like, I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's a shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and and Lane is leaving for like a month, and he just starts cracking up, and they're like, all right, how's Lucky Strike?
[SPEAKER_04]: And he just gives a big thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're good.
[SPEAKER_14]: Solid has a rock baby.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah, we're talking about stuff that where we don't remember what happens.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't remember what happens with this.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know how he gets out of this.
[SPEAKER_14]: I actually don't either.
[SPEAKER_14]: Don't remember either.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did they sign?
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone that probably that sounds right there probably sign you know like Just the buick thing happens.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember all I remember is at some point Don Draper is like we don't even want to sell cigarettes
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_14]: So I signed the American, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll find out in future episodes of the Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_04]: But first, a favorite scene, a least favorite scene, or something we didn't talk about, Vince?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I forgot to write this down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I think we talked about most of my favorite moments.
[SPEAKER_05]: But one thing that we didn't talk about is the shot of Joan as Roger comes in the next day after they have been to the abortion doctor.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she's she's sitting in the office and there's the glass wall with all of the, like,
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, that's on it and like her face is sort of popping through the one part She sees him through the glass and there's the shot of her like with all the okay I thought that was just a really cool shot and I liked it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I like the art.
[SPEAKER_12]: I like the art I like when they do a art with the shot we used the guy in the foreground and then they did the rule of third shot
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know what do you think about color theory?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, uh, Nick, do you have anything, um, your favorite least favorite is something we didn't talk about?
[SPEAKER_04]: I promise I won't market.
[SPEAKER_14]: I have to do all three.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, just pick one or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_14]: No, so this is something I wanted to talk about earlier when you're talking about John Amm.
[SPEAKER_14]: This is something I really struggle with about the show.
[SPEAKER_14]: Do you think John Amm is a good actor?
[SPEAKER_05]: Hard to say.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do go back and forth.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's very well cast in this show.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, he looks great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's a lot of this at the time when that when he made that Fletch movie like a lot of people really love John Hamm's Fletch movie and I was like, I don't I'm not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just used to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know a lot of people like it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There were a lot of people like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: To people like Chevy Chase's Fletch movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what's that also incredibly like a polarizing I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just when I saw the flesh movie I'm like I see what he's doing and it feels limited to me like comedic like I find I don't find John Ham to be like that good of a comedic actor like people like him
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he was good in 30 rock.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think he's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because he's so handsome I don't know that he is like a comedic lead in my opinion, but I think he is funny in certain situations, but even if he's a dramatic lead Like yeah, I feel like he's like you said he kind of has one mode.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yes, and it's a lot of like kind of staring Yeah, and I What I can tell from reading stuff he was pretty drunk in the later seasons while filming which like
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can make it a better factor, but like, yeah, it's really hard to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say, I think I go back and forth because sometimes I find what while I'm watching the show, sometimes I find his acting predictable, you know, sometimes I'm just like, you know, okay, so we're this is how we're going to react to everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then I'll see him do something totally new, it'll either be like really funny or it'll be really dramatic.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's so many moments on the show in which John Hamm is good, then I'm like, I'm not sure if I
[SPEAKER_04]: don't you know think John Hamm is a good actor if I think that the character of Don Draper gets a little bit boring after a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I will say like in this episode I was at first kind of like, like, you know, another episode of Madman, how long is this show?
[SPEAKER_04]: And then then watching him have a
[SPEAKER_04]: total freak out over this clearance and watching him just feel pain and terror.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought he did a great job.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's hard to tell.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also don't think I've seen him in anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know he's in a new show.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is that new show?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like steel and for friends and neighbors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I heard that's a pretty good show.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's good and I think he's good in it, but it's also very madman ask like I don't I don't think he's I don't think he's not playing Dawn Draper in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh no.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean I also think
[SPEAKER_04]: Then again, but like James Gandalfini also was kind of like he's a great acquisition obviously he's amazing, but I'm saying like post sopranos, you know, he, I mean, I guess he didn't do that many roles post sopranos, but he he was getting typecast a little bit as, you know, James as Tony's soprano and stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: I also think the idea of good acting is overrated in some, and that's true, and we're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's, like there's times when people are brilliant, like if you watch Rose Burn and if I had like, I'd kick you, I'd be like, okay, no one can do this.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's incredible.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I also think there's a lot of times when it's like, if you have someone who's interesting to look at and you know how to use them and the writing is good like how much how how important is it like how much they're doing as an actor?
[SPEAKER_05]: There's times when I think like less is more in that sense and I don't know if it's a good actor to know that less is more but like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes I think the concept is overrated I guess.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like, but like, I just think January Jones is really good.
[SPEAKER_14]: Like, she is so, she's so subtle and like conveys these really interesting things that I don't think are in the script, but like, serve it and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_14]: And like, but as opposed to like, John Hammond, like Bert Cooper, like they just look exactly like that and are really good in that way.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: But yeah, like you said,
[SPEAKER_14]: John Hammie kind of has like, and then he has kind of like, yeah, it does do very well.
[SPEAKER_14]: Then occasionally he's happy and he's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's some of these screen capture in the faces.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think you'll be able to hear them.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I feel.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Have you seen the videos of John Hammett?
[SPEAKER_14]: Bad.
[SPEAKER_14]: bad buddy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I have.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mad, mad, man, mad, bunny.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's something there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're talking guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dang.
[SPEAKER_14]: The news are so mad and this was exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I had to give this episode a letter grade and I do, oh gosh, it's hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably the greatest episode of television I've ever watched.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to give it a B plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Vince, what would you give this episode to be out of here?
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11,
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so does I think led the concept of letter grades or overrated, but if I didn't think that, like putting myself in the mindset where I don't think that, this would definitely be a solid be plus for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's surprising.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nick, if, uh, if you had to give this episode a letter grade, uh, uh, and it could be anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: What would you give it?
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't really like letter grades, but I would play give it like somewhere between 86 to 89.
[SPEAKER_14]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me do a quick grade calculation.
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, that's so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, I died.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: the machine that's a solid B plus episode of madman and a solid A plus plus plus plus plus episode of mad yourself a man Nick Viagas thank you so much for coming on and talking madman with us.
[SPEAKER_14]: of course thank you so much for having me of course.
[SPEAKER_14]: I do also want to say it didn't happen that much.
[SPEAKER_14]: I do stutter so I suck my lips occasionally.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's your it's your fucking problem.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't want to hear about it in the comments every time I go on a podcast because why is it you and go shut the fuck up me you can't hurt me.
[SPEAKER_14]: So my lips and in the previous episode there were
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where can people find you and find your work?
[SPEAKER_14]: You can find me at Nick Viagas on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'll be in Chicago tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_14]: So it's not a year of fucking business, but I am going to be a silly later.
[SPEAKER_14]: I do a monthly show with my friend, I can walk in New York.
[SPEAKER_14]: I call struggle bus, follow struggleless lives, much love to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: much love to you and we will have his social media on the show notes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can click and follow and do all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nick, thank you again so much for coming.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hey Drone.com!
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you're gonna I can do nickname.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can put a nickname on a nickname.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who says you can't put a hat on a hat?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know I've always wondered why people say that's a hat on a hat and it's like good more hat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, two hats.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was Lady M. M. Lada's a whole different story.
[SPEAKER_05]: That sounds like a Soviet-made automobile.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does sound like a lot of M. M. sounds like a German gun.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, what I did was I did your joke different.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it counts as a separate joke.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's you did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it worked.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, M&M.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have this as anybody named M&M because they have two M's at the Marshall My name's that's not taking is it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, we're gonna call her Reese's Because we don't have the rights to M&M like ET.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the rights to Reese's there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's right Next Reese's pieces by the way much better than M&M's
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, I wouldn't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am allergic to peanuts.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I would be to penis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have one though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, let's not interrogate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two more names.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, the very normal show Matt immediately thought about my penis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You asked me to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: You said elephant.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to think of elephant.
[SPEAKER_04]: You said penis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not going to think.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you say, uh, I'm allergic to penis.
[SPEAKER_04]: How am I not going to think of it in my mouth?
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I need a napkin ages.
[SPEAKER_04]: I need a napkin and white balls.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a liable.
[SPEAKER_04]: Suddenly your mouth is overpricusing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, no, it's like a waterfall.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next is a very normal named Brian Smith.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brian Smith.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brian with a Y.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is an extremely normal name.
[SPEAKER_05]: Accept that he spells it with a Y. I don't know that the world needs like multiple spellings of Brian or Sean.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like do some names?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like we need to standardize people, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, which Sean would you choose?
[SPEAKER_05]: The S.H.
[SPEAKER_05]: or the SE.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that the SCAN is a little, it's a little classier.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is classier.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw someone knit today in a story that I was writing in their name was Jeremy J. R. O. M. Y.
[SPEAKER_05]: See, that's like, I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you need to do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you need to do that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you need to do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you need to do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I told you I looked I look you do with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that's what I said.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's gonna be hard What do Vikings like you know what I'll don't ask with Vikings like so a lot of a salt Look, but let's not do that not calm the rapists.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not that's not fun and no one likes it No, we're gonna get by by definition
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, we're gonna call this guy.
[SPEAKER_11]: What definition I just got.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is a stroom.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, we're gonna call this guy Herring.
[SPEAKER_05]: Herring!
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he's like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: They love herring.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, uh, what do you, what do you get an old, uh, what is an old fish?
[SPEAKER_04]: What, what is, hold on to something here.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you get an old fish in order to, you get a mech herring aid?
[SPEAKER_04]: And old Viking, who's hard of hearing?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for doing this set up, but I had the punchline, and I feel like I get half credit.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is the shoutouts for this week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not my destiny, what is your ghost right now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the nailer, I wasn't a band called a mama's in the pop-up And then I get to think that I showed it on up I'm really sure I did in that bitch I'm a Google in real quick, yes I did, I feel me rich and now I'm mostly known for doing that in sex But pretty good songwriter, all this is in her song
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the nice detail, look at the nice detail, look at the nice detail
[SPEAKER_04]: Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the podcast Nick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess thank you.
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