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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian parenting girl did you hear about that drama at co-op hey did you hear what so and so said did you see what she did did you see her cow or kid acted of statements could go on and on and on and unfortunately it's just a reality of the world that we live in that there's going to be probably drama anywhere there's drama in your home right between your kids there's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it also happens within the co-op world within the home-school world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're like, come on people, we're all homeschooling, we have this bigger mission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's going to be, when you get people together, that's just what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe this year, you have had some drama at your co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little bit, maybe a medium bit, maybe a lot of drama, and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's gonna do this again next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we re-enroll?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this really what I want to be doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the questions I'm going to answer today is we're gonna talk a little bit about what that drama can look like, what it can lead to, and Some hopefully give you some things to think about as you are considering whether or not you should re-enroll next year Or maybe you just need some of the link arms with a little bit say you're not gonna stick it out, but I just need to feel like I'm a little bit seen in this drama

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Little By Little Home School podcast, I am Lee Nguyen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a home school mom that did co-ops here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very first year I did a co-op because I was like, I need people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know how to homeschool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after that I was like, hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a lot of work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to take my time and energy that I was focusing on the co-op once a week to pour into my kids and then it was a few years later we did another co-op just as we had moved and so there's different times that we did it and it was just it met us really well for right then but I know some families absolutely love co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is their lifeline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there are others who have never done a co-op and never want to do one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can be somewhere in the middle too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My goal here at the podcast is to encourage and provide you with maybe some information and some resources to be able to homeschool your family really well in the way that God is calling you too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in just a few days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to be releasing the beginning of the information for a little by little homeschool conference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to tell you right now all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been holding back saying, don't say you think it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a whole process of releasing this information and we will do it in a timely manner, but I am so excited for you to see the line up this year and it's just going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will put that link for you in the show notes Now, let's get into this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you having drama at the co-op?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should you a re-enroll next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the co-op stories I have heard in person and on line and if you go back and look at some of the Q and A's that I did Back in the fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do another one here this summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if you, I don't know, somewhere in, it look for a Q&A and look in those show notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be a link if you want to leave a question for me to answer this summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in almost every single one of those Q&As, there were questions and concerns that had to do with co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say out of all the topics that I answered, that was the main heading of topics that had to do with co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, whenever you get people together,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's going to be some type of, there's going to be maybe some contention, there's going to be some disagreement, there's going to be some not seeing eye to eye and that's because not everyone when it comes to the cup, but not everyone's going to agree on everything and it's just is a fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you get people together, not everyone's going to see things the way that you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you might say, but my way is the right way to say, see things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other mom over there are saying, no, my way is the right way to see things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so anyway, this is just a different fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have different goals for our homeschool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have different goals for what the co-op is going to do for our family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also just have different expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sometimes plays out in when you're looking for a co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you talk to maybe the people in charge or someone who goes there and they tell you all these great things about it And this is what it's going to look like and they make it this is just an example Make it sound like it's going to be very rigorous academically and you get there and you're like This is not rigorous academically now maybe it would be for some kids or maybe just overall it's not it's not what you expected

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[SPEAKER_00]: or the people are not how you expected them to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we all have different goals for our homeschool, for our children, how we spend our time, maybe different goals for our co-op, but we also have just different expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those things when they clash can lead to some drama again, small that maybe is just requires a conversation between two moms or something big that can split an entire co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's first start with talking about co-ops that are a non-Christian co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One that is purely maybe just academic or maybe it is purely just extra stuff that might just be arched or it might be some type of nature school or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But their foundation is not coming from a biblical worldview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get to decide if this is going to meet your needs for your family or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some families like, oh no, I would never join that type of co-op and some are like, no, it's okay with me to join.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to expect that there is going to possibly be some drama, again, to whatever level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This comes from different ideologies that people have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen in some groups, there was one post, it was, I just want to remind everybody that in this co-op we are non-secular, we are open to this, this, this, this, this, and all these things because I think they're maybe getting some pushback and they just wanted to make it clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at a co-op and you find out what they're about, you find a Facebook post or something, and they are all inclusive about everything, and that's not what you want, then perfect, guess what, cross that one off your list, and you don't have to go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you decide to go to a non-Christian co-op, just know because they're different worldviews, or different ideologies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we're going to get into Christian co-ops because we can have things that we don't see eye to eye on, but that core, that core tenet of our faith in Jesus Christ rising from the dead and providing us with that means of salvation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there's going to be, there's going to be things, you're not going to see eye to eye, you're going to, there's going to be people that are going to kind of rub you the wrong way, you're just, there's just going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just know that, going into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now that you know that, you can make that decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's now talk about Christian co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, these can say we are a Christian co-op, but how do people view that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do they stand on things?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you want a Christian co-op, you should ask, what is your statement of faith?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And make sure that they have that core foundation, the primary parts of our Christian faith, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you are in line with those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then on those other things, people aren't always going to see eye to eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now think about the homeschool world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You may homeschool in a very different style than maybe your best friend does, but you can get along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still well, and your kids can get along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're okay with that family, and it's not even a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that can be the same thing when it comes to Christian co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see some secondary and tertiary theology that maybe, and again, those things will influence your decision on how you do things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still are there, but it doesn't mean that they are, that they're biblically unsound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If maybe they see, say, eschatology differently than you, that doesn't mean, that is that off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're concerned, ask for a statement of faith before you even join so that you know that you're in line with that, and you also then have that to say, hey, we need to go back to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This teacher chose the certain book, and that is not in line with your statement of faith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, that kind of stuff can cause some drama, and I think it's also how we do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying don't bring those things up, but just pray about it, see how you can first,

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[SPEAKER_00]: go about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just call a broad meeting or start blasting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't go into public Facebook groups and start blasting that teacher for choosing that book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to that teacher first and talk to her first about, or him, there's some dads that teach to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But go to them and say, listen, I have some concerns about this book because of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it might be like, oh, I didn't realize that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have to be any drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They then changed the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's still going to be a little bit of drama because everyone's still is going to have different personalities right and we are going to be on different journeys of our sanctification and different parts of it and that's just is a fact of life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you're going to find that in the church too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to find it in co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in your church, you're going to see that and in your co-op, you're going to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's a couple things to really think about when you're looking at a co-op and whether you should re-enroll, you're just like I've heard some drama or I've been a part of some trauma I don't want to be and if you're leading a co-op, have some clear rules and expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: make it perfectly clear for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is in writing and this isn't like a, okay, the first year you join.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, and then you have this piece of paper and you think that they're going to remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, go over it every single year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you might need to midyear, maybe after you take off for Christmas break, come back in January or February and say, okay, as a reminder, maybe this is an entire group meeting or maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the maybe you have like different classes three classes and the first class of the day everybody's going over these rules and expectations whoever you want to lay it out have clear rules and expectations that you can then make decisions off of that there's always going to be other things that come up, but you can always go back to those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, with co-ops, someone needs to be in charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The buck has to stop somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that person gets to set the tone for better or for worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes there's been leaders in co-ops that you're just like, they should not be a leader in the co-op, or they wanted to be a leader, but they really don't have the leader qualities, and that may cause some drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The leader themselves might be somebody that's very confrontational, and then that leads to some drama you don't want to be a part of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're going to talk about reenrolling, but let me just add this in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, I know that right now is the end of April and co-ops and stuff might be done or finishing up here soon or finishing up the school year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you enroll in a co-op and hear a couple of months in, you're halfway through the year and there is just too much content, it's just too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to pull out and maybe you've paid some fees and you won't get those back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to weigh what's going to your worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth my time to get my full $300 worth or is my peace and just a little bit of peace for our family?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that going to be like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can keep those dues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just, we're not going to be showing up anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we each need to be doing what is best for our family right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as possibly a co-op leader, or someone who is attending a co-op, as somebody pulls out, let's just, let them go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let them go gracefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not cause any more drama about them leaving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say if you're wanting to leave a co-op, do so in a way that maybe,

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[SPEAKER_00]: behind the scenes maybe you're kind of pointing out some concerns that you have and then just leave and and just go because all of our experiences are going to be different okay back to the Christian co-op.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So have clear rules next expectations someone needs to be in charge and that person is going to maybe not always be seen favorably as they're the one that's enforcing those rules and reminding people of those expectations but keep Christ at the center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of drama can probably be nipped in the bud if we start to see each other as sisters in Christ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we start to see each other as image bearers of God in desperate need of a Savior and in need of constant renewal and in a process of sanctification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we start to see that see people as that as your sisters in Christ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that our hearts are renewed and they're softened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some ideas on possibly you might need to just work on the group morale and some the cohesion of your group, pray together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that it's a little bit hard sometimes if you have kids maybe each time you do a prayer together and then I do one or two moms that are watching kids maybe there's a gym or a multi-purpose room and watching everybody in just like 5-10 minutes that you just have time and you rotate who's missing out on the prayer time so that everybody gets to be a part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We probably shouldn't leave our kids just running ramp and do a church.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most likely if these are in churches, I don't think the pastoral staff would appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But keep Christ the Center, pray together, encourage cohesiveness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a leader of a group, encourage cohesiveness, how can you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can there be a group text thread?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can there be a Facebook group?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can there be maybe once a month, everybody can meet for a walk somewhere, or meet at a coffee shop, and whoever comes comes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if some are not coming, then it's actually their loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because everybody, even though we may homeschool very differently, might have different personalities and some might rub you the wrong way, but what if you sat down with a cup of coffee with across the table from them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might be like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Overall, like at the co-op, she comes off kind of gruff and a little tough on everything and arrogant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I sat down and talked to her, it was just so good just to talk, like woman to woman, mom to mom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, maybe try to tie in times of worship together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there, maybe a couple, maybe this, you have high schoolers, and some of them one place of piano, one sings, and maybe one place of guitar,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can just maybe sing a song together or two songs together before you start your day just to get our minds focused on what are we really doing here and and keeping Christ at the center now in those Q and A's I mentioned with those being like the main topic and then in my real life and then also in my own experience of co-ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you that right now the biggest

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an issue, concern, or drama point is other kits there, I said it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just our different parenting styles, are different parenting philosophies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that we may be institute discipline, or don't institute discipline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: this can come in the way of especially, I've heard a lot when it comes to parent slash teacher leading a class and a child not being cooperative and just or being an issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can I mean run the gamut with how minor or how major that is and that is really, really hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to school, there is certain protocol, at least I thought that there was at least when I was in school, there was a certain protocol for misbehavior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was what Categorized as proper behavior, and then misbehavior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it can be really hard if you are the leader of a class, and there is a child that's being disruptive and just not being cooperative, or doesn't align with the way that you parent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also with the kids, are these kids that are good influences upon your kids?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can get into even Christian co-ops and say, yeah, this isn't the influence that I was hoping that these would have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the number one problem that I hear cited is with kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kids with the parent slash teacher, but also kids with kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the question here was, should you reenroll and roll in the co-op?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There has been some drama, you're tired, you're like, it's kind of stole my piece a little bit there, Lord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we do this again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want you to ask yourself, is the co-op worth it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, yes, Lee, that's the question I've been asking myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's think about the quote, let's break it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is the class work and the studies?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that worth it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're in a really academically rigorous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is some drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a couple of moms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just don't quite see eye to eye with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But your child has super high secondary education goals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like post high school and they have and this co-op is going to really solidify that and that's going to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to give them the skills that you feel like you're lacking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in them receiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're like, okay, is the classwork worth it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth it with the influence of other kids?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are these kids that my kids are really getting along with?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've met some really amazing families and we've become really good and really close with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you go this co-op and you're like, I think everybody here parents in a different way than I do, whether you're just maybe more free and they're all a little bit more strict or you're a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, also, is it worth your time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth the effort that you put in to getting ready for it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're teaching or even just getting there for that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth possibly the day once a week or the day every other week or once a month?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that time worth it for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't answer that question for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to mull it over, maybe write it out some, talk to your husband, think on it, pray on it, and then make a decision, and move forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you decide to do the co-op, and know that there was drama, there's possibly gonna be drama next year too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you maybe gonna head that off at the past?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what can you do to be proactive?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or again, you might say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's just worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of put my head down and we do our thing and it's worth it for my kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm able to buffer and shelter them from this drama and they have no idea it's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's worth it for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is it maybe causing you some unraveling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it making you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know my husband sometimes would be like, I don't want you to go and do those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't say that just after I'm like, I'm thinking about it and I'll finally say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is causing you stress that you don't see and I don't want to see you so stressed and I don't want to see you so exhausted and it's just it's not adding to our family yeah you're kind of sheltering the kids They don't see that but I don't know that it's necessarily worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So talk to your husband and ask him just to be honest is this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Kay also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he cares about you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So listen to what he has to say, but make your decision and then go with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So also know that if there's some drama, it might mean that there's not a solid clear leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might mean that you are there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe God wants you to stay there within that co-op because he wants you to help lead those women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: through this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reconciliation of whatever has gone on and let's get to the other side and I pray and hope that on the other side that you are stronger in your faith and you are bonded and you see each other as sisters in Christ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And whether you decide to join a co-op next year, re-enroll and a co-op,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have that foundation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to know that, like we talked about in the last episode, bigger picture, that vision, those goals of what you are trying to accomplish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I choose curriculum?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is maybe a style event that I'm looking for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that encouragement in that direction can be found for you in your homeschool blueprint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a course that you can go through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On your own time, there's videos, there's a whole workbook, there's, it's just a step-by-step for you to work through and this can be done whether you're starting your first homeschool year, your couple years into it, your many years into it and you're like, I need to refresh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would encourage you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a great time of the year to do so as you're looking at curriculum and what to purchase and how to spend your time and your energy for next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get that information at littlebylittlehomeschool.com slash blueprint and as always, all the links for everything and resources and stuff that I offer to you are in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I pray that any drama at the co-op that you're able to walk through it and again like I just said that on the other end of it you are closer to Christ and you're closer to one another.

