WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:17.015 [SPEAKER_02]: This episode of Truth's Table is brought to you by Nav Press, publisher of God, where are you by Dominik Young, a powerful and honest invitation for women, to bring their depression anxiety, grief, and spiritual questions before God, and discover his presence in the midst of pain. 00:17.395 --> 00:21.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Learn more and buy your copy at navpress.com 00:21.513 --> 00:22.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Sisters, how y'all feel? 00:23.576 --> 00:24.898 [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers, y'all all right? 00:25.299 --> 00:28.524 [SPEAKER_02]: If this is your first time at Truth's Table, welcome to the table. 00:28.764 --> 00:31.248 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've been sitting at the table with us all these years. 00:31.548 --> 00:41.223 [SPEAKER_02]: We are so grateful that you have been listening to us through these years and we are inviting you to partner with us and support our work at patreon.com slash Truth's Table. 00:41.523 --> 00:44.888 [SPEAKER_02]: Now pull up a chair and have a seat at the table with us. 00:44.868 --> 00:48.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey y'all, welcome to choose table Midwives of Culture for Grace and Truth. 00:48.113 --> 00:49.856 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a community and I'm Christina. 00:49.876 --> 00:52.199 [SPEAKER_02]: This table is built by black woman and four black women. 00:52.219 --> 00:53.161 [SPEAKER_02]: So welcome to the table. 00:53.221 --> 00:54.423 [SPEAKER_02]: See how you do, girl. 00:55.064 --> 00:55.725 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel welcomed. 00:56.947 --> 00:57.788 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing okay. 00:58.008 --> 01:00.452 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, it's funny because people ask me that question. 01:00.472 --> 01:01.594 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually respond now. 01:01.694 --> 01:02.816 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing decently. 01:02.996 --> 01:04.378 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing today? 01:04.848 --> 01:07.612 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing well, you know, I'm here. 01:07.652 --> 01:11.198 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, by God's praise, I am still here. 01:11.358 --> 01:12.680 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm grateful. 01:12.720 --> 01:14.342 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear a song in the back of it. 01:14.362 --> 01:16.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm not during the clerking. 01:16.486 --> 01:19.630 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on my auntie at my auntie at my auntie. 01:19.650 --> 01:24.758 [SPEAKER_02]: You all know now because that's on that live version of I'm still here when viral. 01:25.099 --> 01:26.080 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're. 01:26.060 --> 01:36.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And on TikTok, you know, as it should, as it should, you know, so I hope that live version comes to, you know, the streaming platforms, that's what the people want. 01:36.826 --> 01:37.768 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I am people. 01:37.828 --> 01:39.231 [SPEAKER_02]: I apologize. 01:39.251 --> 01:40.554 [SPEAKER_00]: And it only takes two. 01:40.675 --> 01:44.203 [SPEAKER_02]: But I just keep re-running, re-winding the YouTube video and work it out. 01:44.588 --> 01:46.610 [SPEAKER_02]: But y'all I'm grateful to be at the table. 01:46.630 --> 01:50.053 [SPEAKER_02]: We use season 10 of choose table. 01:50.373 --> 01:57.059 [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of talk and It's a lot of talking that is nothing but God's grace. 01:57.440 --> 01:58.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, God's grace. 01:58.821 --> 02:11.913 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of discipline I'm sure a lot of hard work through many dangerous Toils and snares high lows, you know like ten years to be deal. 02:11.933 --> 02:14.595 [SPEAKER_02]: You know some try to think it is where we are 02:14.575 --> 02:15.176 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 02:15.196 --> 02:26.251 [SPEAKER_02]: Creatives, we push through as always the next project and the next project, we don't take enough time to reflect, to celebrate, but that's, we could put a praise right there for 10 seasons. 02:26.271 --> 02:26.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah. 02:27.072 --> 02:27.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 02:27.973 --> 02:28.915 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a blessing. 02:28.935 --> 02:29.415 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 02:29.576 --> 02:30.437 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a blessing. 02:30.457 --> 02:34.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's the 10 seasons of the show, which is what is, is the output, right? 02:35.163 --> 02:41.612 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it is the years that that represents behind the scenes and God's faithfulness and kindness. 02:41.592 --> 02:54.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Perseverance and the synergy and the commitment that is I think the behind the scenes part people experience kind of like the output Oh, yeah finished product. 02:54.330 --> 03:05.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but what it takes to get to the output and and then amount of people that we have to be partner with and the attempts to be to be of high integrity in what the content is 03:05.707 --> 03:11.303 [SPEAKER_00]: and to not just kind of be pulled by a trend, but to be responsible in the stewardship of our voices. 03:12.005 --> 03:17.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's one of the greatest temptations of the last nine seasons and moving into attempts to succeed. 03:17.782 --> 03:20.349 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I have really good handles on what makes something popular. 03:20.771 --> 03:20.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:21.991 --> 03:29.247 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and so as particularly as a behavioral scientist, like I can imagine how to shape this show to make it just very, very popular. 03:29.788 --> 03:40.472 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's been an intentionality to work in integrity because we have to give an account for not how many clicks we get or I mean we do views we get, but actually what we say. 03:40.452 --> 03:55.188 [SPEAKER_00]: So that makes the temp season to me even more like celebratory because it was 10 seasons of a commitment to okay, we have a given a count for what we talked about, you know, by the grace of God. 03:55.208 --> 03:56.129 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely love. 03:56.149 --> 04:04.417 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so yeah, I think yeah, I think that's a really really good point because there's a lot of different ways we could have gone and it's not as far opposed to being popular. 04:04.778 --> 04:04.958 [UNKNOWN]: We're not 04:04.938 --> 04:08.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not allergic to that, but we also don't want to be sensationalistic. 04:08.442 --> 04:16.772 [SPEAKER_02]: We want, we want, we tried to go after, we tried to do work that will last the test of time, you know, that will stand the test of time. 04:17.152 --> 04:27.244 [SPEAKER_02]: That's legacy work, and that we can stand before the thrice holy God when it is our time to do so, and be able to do so, obviously under the blood of Jesus, obviously. 04:27.504 --> 04:34.472 [SPEAKER_02]: But also integrity with a clear heart and clear mind knowing that we did, our best, you know. 04:34.452 --> 04:35.895 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to be honored. 04:35.915 --> 04:38.882 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean to be to honor God and to honor our people. 04:39.102 --> 04:40.064 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really. 04:40.085 --> 04:40.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:40.205 --> 04:41.347 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also been a lot of fun. 04:41.949 --> 04:42.430 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah. 04:42.791 --> 04:43.392 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah. 04:43.412 --> 04:43.993 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun. 04:44.013 --> 04:49.526 [SPEAKER_02]: We've had a lot of great experiences, lots of great collaborations. 04:49.706 --> 04:51.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. 04:51.530 --> 05:18.145 [SPEAKER_02]: production team are admin team from Stacey there it Josh Patrick I mean social media praise you know I just just want to name the folks you know Chloe our social media has never read us actually make a mess to me you know I'd be 05:18.125 --> 05:23.254 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, their flowers, you know, because hey, the way things are going, nobody knows tomorrow. 05:23.454 --> 05:25.097 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:25.538 --> 05:25.858 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. 05:26.119 --> 05:27.922 [SPEAKER_02]: So what is our theme for season? 05:27.962 --> 05:32.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and light of that interesting sober segue, nobody knows. 05:32.189 --> 05:34.373 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows tomorrow. 05:34.393 --> 05:41.365 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think I've been one of the things that we've talked about, and I think we talked about it honestly, but also like with humor and even when we, you know, 05:41.345 --> 05:43.449 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're in the midst of a political apocalypse. 05:44.691 --> 05:47.215 [SPEAKER_00]: It is terrible out here in the political streets. 05:47.876 --> 05:58.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I say that also without, I try to say that with some degree of restraint, like it is terrible, but I could leave my house right now if I wanted to, you know? 05:58.133 --> 06:02.661 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I think, I try to say that with some degree of wisdom. 06:02.641 --> 06:09.711 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really, and it's not, and even the for now part is really contingent upon the will of God and not the will of the political apocalypse. 06:09.731 --> 06:11.213 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I have to remind myself of that. 06:11.333 --> 06:17.762 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I'm literally surrendering my future to human beings. 06:17.882 --> 06:20.746 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am not surrendering my future to human beings. 06:21.086 --> 06:27.956 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is the sovereignty and goodness of God that is like the keeping restraining power from despair. 06:27.976 --> 06:30.319 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in this moment, at least for me, 06:30.299 --> 06:45.025 [SPEAKER_00]: And so with that being said, I think for us, we've talked about how we need to pull back into respect and understanding of people who have come before us, who have dealt with all kinds of political apocalypse, the kind in which they could not lead their house. 06:45.686 --> 06:48.932 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and that made us honestly starting thinking about 06:48.912 --> 06:50.194 [SPEAKER_00]: the Underground Railroad. 06:51.196 --> 06:51.877 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right. 06:52.297 --> 06:53.459 [SPEAKER_00]: The Underground Railroad. 06:53.479 --> 06:54.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Underground Railroad, 2.0. 06:54.841 --> 06:55.422 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 2.0. 06:55.743 --> 06:57.325 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we were like, what does that mean now? 06:57.345 --> 07:09.925 [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean to be in some ways living a appropriately reactive resistance to the political apocalypse? 07:09.905 --> 07:15.611 [SPEAKER_00]: But doing it in a way that is skilled in subversive synergistic and connected because we are actually still going somewhere. 07:16.012 --> 07:20.296 [SPEAKER_00]: And that game reminded me of the underground row of what does that mean right now in the time they were in. 07:20.316 --> 07:33.330 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we've been we've been kind of bantering that idea around and we've decided that we would kick this season off season 10 by leaning into the idea of what does it mean to build the underground row road 2.0. 07:33.310 --> 07:34.712 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. 07:34.732 --> 07:38.218 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and um, uh, and that's not to. 07:38.379 --> 07:39.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, comparison was to Harriet Tubman. 07:39.661 --> 07:51.741 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the 07:51.721 --> 08:06.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the honor, you know, her memory, her and many others, and of our ancestors and dissent relatives that carried in and paid the way to freedom land. 08:06.813 --> 08:10.962 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just think we're going to need to tap in. 08:10.942 --> 08:22.378 [SPEAKER_02]: to the Holy Ghosts imagination in the same way that Mother Tumman did, you know, she was quite literally led by the spirit. 08:22.839 --> 08:35.216 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think during these times we have got to be, we have to be very wise and we have to be our discernment has got to be heightened in order to know what it is that God is calling us to do. 08:35.236 --> 08:40.003 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I know one prayer that I've been praying literally as of 08:39.983 --> 08:56.642 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh 08:57.635 --> 08:58.877 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the truth of the matter. 08:58.897 --> 09:00.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the question is, is people, yeah. 09:00.721 --> 09:02.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, what's next? 09:02.644 --> 09:03.245 [SPEAKER_02]: What's next? 09:03.306 --> 09:05.830 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what do you, yeah? 09:05.850 --> 09:09.677 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you want to use me in this in this season, in this time? 09:10.078 --> 09:14.867 [SPEAKER_02]: We're born at this time for a reason. 09:14.847 --> 09:15.809 [SPEAKER_02]: a bit chaotic. 09:16.831 --> 09:28.675 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit much, but there's a reason why God decided, you know, that we would be here for this time of what is that, you know, and so that's something that I've been speaking to the Lord about, what is it, what do you want? 09:28.815 --> 09:34.847 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an invitation, though, I think prayer for everyone to enter into. 09:34.827 --> 09:37.751 [SPEAKER_00]: what is why am I here for this moment for this season? 09:38.191 --> 09:39.413 [SPEAKER_00]: What is my work to do? 09:39.473 --> 09:40.535 [SPEAKER_02]: You have worked to do? 09:40.555 --> 09:49.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, and I think we all have to ask God what that is, you know, and be focused on what that or those things are because it might be multiple things. 09:50.348 --> 09:56.616 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be one thing, you know, and so I, so anyway, I draw a lot of strength not only from 09:56.596 --> 10:03.943 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, through prayer, but also just reflecting back, you know, on what our ancestors have done in the past, right? 10:03.983 --> 10:07.886 [SPEAKER_02]: My soul looks back, you know, like, that old, true staveless special that we did. 10:07.906 --> 10:08.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:08.347 --> 10:09.367 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a while ago. 10:09.608 --> 10:19.777 [SPEAKER_02]: And to me, it's not, to me, I don't think it's a coincidence that it's just a portion of the underground world world was just railroad, sorry, was just discovered. 10:20.037 --> 10:21.478 [SPEAKER_02]: And I believe it was New York. 10:22.099 --> 10:26.603 [SPEAKER_02]: That meant that viral clip just about two weeks ago. 10:26.583 --> 10:54.193 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a sign because what is happening so what does it mean to you know to build that what are we resisting You know, that's you know, that's what truth tape was built on but what are we resisting but what also what are we building How are we finding hope Where are we making strategic Resistance out 10:54.173 --> 10:55.274 [SPEAKER_02]: pronounced resistance. 10:55.294 --> 11:16.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Because there are times where you have to do, you know, a very pronounced resistance, shout out to Rep Al Green who was often, do it outspoken and always standing up, you know, for our people just as he did at the state of the Union and declaring that Black people are in apes because that's where we are in 2026 that we have to actually say that and declare that. 11:17.034 --> 11:21.598 [SPEAKER_00]: And so how, you know, what is that literally left from this missing Black Lives Matter? 11:23.131 --> 11:39.655 [SPEAKER_00]: to this right here and that's why that's why we give no we we can see not one inch not one inch to the lies of the enemy not one it's not one enemy people talk about a slippery slow now that's that's a slippery slow how do we go from Black Lives Matter to Black people or it apes 11:39.635 --> 11:40.156 [SPEAKER_02]: really. 11:40.536 --> 11:41.618 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 11:41.638 --> 11:43.581 [SPEAKER_00]: By the guy by the commander in chief. 11:43.601 --> 11:46.806 [SPEAKER_02]: That that's even worse than, you know, saying, I am a man, right? 11:47.046 --> 11:48.728 [SPEAKER_02]: It took me right back to the sanitation workers. 11:48.849 --> 11:49.169 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 11:50.010 --> 11:50.731 [SPEAKER_00]: It's even worse. 11:50.751 --> 11:54.056 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all human being and this is this is still where we are, right? 11:55.839 --> 12:03.330 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's and there's nothing quite like it, you know, I think when you when you think about all of the many layers of injustices and 12:03.310 --> 12:05.733 [SPEAKER_00]: groups that are disenfranchised and targeted. 12:05.793 --> 12:11.040 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a very unique expression of vitriolic anti-blackness. 12:11.640 --> 12:13.923 [SPEAKER_00]: That is why we don't sit with that one. 12:15.205 --> 12:16.787 [SPEAKER_00]: We've not moved off of that one. 12:18.409 --> 12:19.470 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't sit right there. 12:19.911 --> 12:26.719 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not just on any other, the multi-layered, intersectional complexities of the human, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I study and I teach it. 12:26.699 --> 12:28.883 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't say what anti-blackness on true state. 12:28.903 --> 12:31.046 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the construct of whiteness is built on anti-black. 12:31.066 --> 12:48.977 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's that's the foundation You know always and that's all that's always the default like you know, and so I just it's it's an honestly really Seconding to be quite honest and it feels like round head all day yeah, yeah, and again Like you know like last season with still resist is it feels like round hog day yeah 12:48.957 --> 13:00.402 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know my goodness like how many times do we have to continue you know what does it mean and what does it do to you to have to continue willy 13:01.833 --> 13:08.123 [SPEAKER_02]: say or prove as a mother, uh, Tony Morrison always says, it's like, it's a dysdry system, it's such a distraction. 13:08.624 --> 13:17.118 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you always got to prove that your head is the same size of the proof that you, you know, that you have the same thing, the same worth as somebody else isn't me paraphrasing. 13:17.158 --> 13:20.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, paraphrasing foolishness, but it's foolishness, and it's ridiculous. 13:20.444 --> 13:21.145 [SPEAKER_02]: And what does it do? 13:21.225 --> 13:22.407 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think about our children. 13:22.589 --> 13:26.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and what are they going to hear on the play grail, right? 13:26.213 --> 13:31.559 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think about that just literally today I was like, just the the manifold ways that it shows up. 13:31.579 --> 13:33.941 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very real, it's very, it's a very real attack. 13:34.142 --> 13:43.892 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, our decision to think about this season opener and this season series to be the underground row 2.0. 13:44.053 --> 13:47.196 [SPEAKER_00]: I think also is a reminder that 13:47.176 --> 14:05.117 [SPEAKER_00]: uh we are in times that require um subversive skill and excellence we are in a time that requires an awareness that we are we all have different levels of safety which is why you had to underground railroad the best you know had to say that's right that's right and also here's but here's the whole part 14:06.110 --> 14:08.513 [SPEAKER_00]: that we also are going somewhere. 14:08.533 --> 14:08.633 [SPEAKER_00]: Amen. 14:08.653 --> 14:12.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Under our railroad was not simply a place where people could just hide. 14:12.939 --> 14:14.621 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, people do need places to hide. 14:14.662 --> 14:15.362 [SPEAKER_00]: We need shelter. 14:15.463 --> 14:16.444 [SPEAKER_00]: We need a dwelling place. 14:16.464 --> 14:17.145 [SPEAKER_00]: We need a cave. 14:18.026 --> 14:25.396 [SPEAKER_00]: Scripture uses those that imagery analogy and reality over and over again, because we actually are in unsafe, spiritually threatening conditions. 14:25.957 --> 14:29.822 [SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the things that God provides us is safety in him. 14:29.802 --> 14:30.644 [SPEAKER_00]: in our community. 14:30.664 --> 14:36.438 [SPEAKER_00]: A strong Christ, absolutely, that language is incredibly important under the shadow of his way. 14:36.659 --> 14:46.022 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, but even we think about the Underground Railroad, it is not so just stay hidden in the baseboard of a floor. 14:46.002 --> 14:52.209 [SPEAKER_00]: we're moving somewhere else, and I think that is where our hope lies is the fact that we actually are moving somewhere else. 14:52.669 --> 14:53.590 [SPEAKER_00]: We are not staying here. 14:53.630 --> 14:56.093 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not the end of our story, the political apocalypse. 14:56.113 --> 15:09.428 [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever it is happening right now, we can tell the truth about what is, but the truth also includes about what is guaranteed and will be and is to come, and that's the movement of where we're going in the Underground Railroad. 15:09.408 --> 15:10.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 15:10.449 --> 15:16.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think part of the question that people should be thinking is, do you want to go where we're going? 15:17.258 --> 15:17.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 15:17.578 --> 15:18.379 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because I'm going. 15:18.399 --> 15:19.220 [SPEAKER_02]: You can not get freedom. 15:19.481 --> 15:20.862 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't sound good to everybody. 15:21.123 --> 15:21.523 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't. 15:22.104 --> 15:25.168 [SPEAKER_02]: And what God describes this freedom, doesn't always sound good. 15:25.408 --> 15:26.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the spiritual freedom. 15:26.429 --> 15:29.393 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to land that plane before we take our break. 15:29.413 --> 15:32.697 [SPEAKER_00]: That spiritual freedom, Christ, sets us free for a particular purpose. 15:32.957 --> 15:33.358 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello. 15:33.498 --> 15:36.762 [SPEAKER_00]: A freedom is not something like just self-actualization. 15:36.842 --> 15:37.423 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 15:37.403 --> 16:03.883 [SPEAKER_00]: freedom is for us to be free to worship Christ and that is and that is the ultimate freedom but that is the purpose of freedom from a biblical stamp and so that that is actually not attractive I'm trying to do everybody anyway so well on that note Think about that's it whether that's attractive to you or not and if it ain't well you got some more to say 16:03.863 --> 16:08.355 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't go nowhere when we write back 16:09.702 --> 16:12.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Sisters, we carry so much. 16:12.646 --> 16:30.349 [SPEAKER_02]: We carry expectations at work at home in our friendships in our faith, we carry responsibilities, we carry other people's needs, and often we carry our own pain quietly, telling others to be strong, to push through, to keep the faith, but what happens when you're exhausted? 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17:51.464 --> 17:58.615 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, or not excited about that freedom, the way that the Lord prescribes and has designed. 17:59.416 --> 18:03.983 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, but also freedom from all of the mess, the sin. 18:04.975 --> 18:06.357 [SPEAKER_02]: send a sin in y'all. 18:06.437 --> 18:08.460 [SPEAKER_02]: The racism is racing. 18:08.761 --> 18:09.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:09.081 --> 18:10.063 [SPEAKER_02]: All over the place. 18:10.704 --> 18:10.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:11.545 --> 18:13.948 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean there is something about. 18:14.048 --> 18:16.712 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know I mean racism is not new. 18:17.494 --> 18:20.378 [SPEAKER_00]: So human, he was attempt to stratify. 18:20.418 --> 18:21.820 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not new. 18:21.800 --> 18:23.964 [SPEAKER_00]: human, human trying to stratify other humans. 18:23.984 --> 18:26.188 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just, you know, we've been doing this. 18:26.208 --> 18:28.933 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been doing this since we will call it re-attended sinning. 18:29.254 --> 18:38.792 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not new, but this particular expression of anti-blackness, this vitriol, towards the people of African descent, and the delusions of white supremacy. 18:38.892 --> 18:42.138 [SPEAKER_00]: That is real baked in the last 500 or so years. 18:42.980 --> 18:45.124 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, 18:45.830 --> 18:52.484 [SPEAKER_00]: that a part of the American story, particularly the black American story, is what do we do with that? 18:53.226 --> 18:56.934 [SPEAKER_00]: What will we do with that while we are on this soil and this land? 18:57.816 --> 19:02.185 [SPEAKER_00]: And how will we fight to retain the truth? 19:02.165 --> 19:13.989 [SPEAKER_00]: which is a sense of our intrinsic dignity, but knowing that each morning when you wake up, you can get a new story or text message or your own personal encounter with your type. 19:14.009 --> 19:15.051 [SPEAKER_00]: Or a Google notification. 19:15.071 --> 19:15.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello. 19:15.512 --> 19:16.273 [SPEAKER_00]: With these types of things. 19:16.293 --> 19:17.355 [SPEAKER_00]: Read more about inwards. 19:17.576 --> 19:19.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Antiblac. 19:19.259 --> 19:30.859 [SPEAKER_00]: on slide, you know, and then in the case with all trauma that I talked about this before, what makes trauma so traumatic is not the traumatic event is what happens next. 19:30.959 --> 19:35.927 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the residue, it's the response to it, the lack of response to it, it's ignoring of it, right? 19:36.328 --> 19:40.575 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the kind of the chronic state of deception, 19:40.555 --> 19:46.042 [SPEAKER_00]: actually makes the racism much more toxic than it actually is itself. 19:46.062 --> 19:48.425 [SPEAKER_00]: And we saw that just happen with the baffters, right? 19:48.466 --> 19:55.295 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and you know, clearly I believe the Torescendrum is a very real syndrome. 19:55.615 --> 19:57.237 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, all of that is true on the table. 19:57.678 --> 20:06.850 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think again, what we see is the way the system responds to the use of the N. Warby yelled at two black presenters and not 20:06.830 --> 20:21.148 [SPEAKER_00]: not editing it out, not apologizing with the full weight of the offense, noting the weight of the offense, and knowing that that really is a snapshot of so many other moments of the gas lighting, and then the many excuses that come. 20:22.450 --> 20:32.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that was just so honestly the whole incident 20:32.463 --> 20:34.726 [SPEAKER_02]: the stars from sinners. 20:35.027 --> 20:36.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who has UK roots? 20:37.690 --> 20:45.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Laura Lindow does have UK roots, you know, and anyway, but it's a big, I'm starting the US. 20:45.882 --> 20:56.256 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're presenting a word and as they were up there, there was a man who I believe he won actually for his documentary about his life living with Tourette. 20:56.456 --> 21:01.423 [SPEAKER_02]: And so a particular former Tourette's, I can't remember that the title of his song, I'm gonna mess it up. 21:01.403 --> 21:12.094 [SPEAKER_02]: And throughout the night, he had been, you know, yelling different things, you know, but when Michael B. Jordan and Del Roy, Linda were up there. 21:12.354 --> 21:14.076 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it was another time with the black woman as well. 21:14.116 --> 21:18.260 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was said three times, but yes, but I think those were different more. 21:18.480 --> 21:20.162 [SPEAKER_02]: They weren't on the stage at that point. 21:20.182 --> 21:21.122 [SPEAKER_00]: They were different with each other. 21:21.183 --> 21:27.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Different moments with an exactly where he said, and we're, you know, to other people there. 21:27.649 --> 21:30.752 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, while they were on this stage, he yelled out. 21:31.036 --> 21:41.151 [SPEAKER_02]: the end word, and then there was some, you could tell Michael be Jordan and Delroy, and those reaction with some shock and just like, did I hear what I heard? 21:41.191 --> 21:49.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, they kept on going forward, showing grace on the fire, as we're always expected, you know, to do. 21:49.604 --> 21:51.306 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, 21:51.286 --> 22:18.407 [SPEAKER_02]: you know BBC and the host Alan Cummings all says some merely mouth, you know, tap it statement about a fence you may have heard a fence of language in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah 22:18.387 --> 22:43.922 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just always, you know, I think about how it just shows like this, oh, y'all okay, and then also, sorry, then there was another winner, I just said, in within that, back to awards, ceremony who did a beautiful speech, and at the end he talked about the genocide in Palestine, and it said, you know, free Palestine, and so there was a delay on the show, and they 22:43.902 --> 23:00.139 [SPEAKER_02]: and they managed to edit out free Palestine but kept the inward in there that the man blurted out due to, you know, you know, I guess during a tick or something like that. 23:00.159 --> 23:06.505 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's just to me emblematic again of this message. 23:06.986 --> 23:12.812 [SPEAKER_02]: This is very clear blatant message 23:13.433 --> 23:38.985 [SPEAKER_02]: It, you know, it's sinners when you, if you've watched the movie, it actually talks about, you know, it is, it is a, yes it's a horror, but it's for a light, I've only watched it once because I'm not a horror ever, but I'm glad I watched it because it does, it talks about not to give it away, but it has a very piercing racial analysis, you know, about 23:38.965 --> 23:49.474 [SPEAKER_02]: the ways in which supremacy, bigotry, and whiteness always interject into the lives. 23:50.076 --> 23:54.628 [SPEAKER_02]: The sacred spaces of black folks are times our moments, 23:54.608 --> 24:05.837 [SPEAKER_02]: It takes up so much space, our moments of joy, our moments, our mountain-top experience and always finds a way to pierce through that moment. 24:05.857 --> 24:24.413 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought that was just such a microcosm, ironically, of what centers, part of what I take away from centers. 24:24.393 --> 24:43.476 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just tired of the anti-blackness and I'm tired of the racism and I'm concerned about the ways that it's impacting us as a people and the ways is showing up in various diseases and showing up in suicide rates in our community among black man and black women. 24:43.516 --> 24:54.028 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm concerned about the ways this things are just bleeding into the lives of all of our people with the way we 24:54.008 --> 24:54.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 24:54.971 --> 24:56.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, diaspora wars. 24:56.515 --> 25:07.326 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the ways in which we don't know each other's history and learn each other's history and so we claim that this country was built by immigrants looking at you should booze you know. 25:08.032 --> 25:14.168 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just so much stuff that I'm just like, my God, we have got to go get to freedom land. 25:14.529 --> 25:15.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:15.151 --> 25:16.835 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe in a rare world, we're a world 2.0. 25:16.855 --> 25:24.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if by that, he means the human traffic, migrants that were brought here, then more. 25:24.535 --> 25:25.817 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not what he meant. 25:25.877 --> 25:35.231 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and every group has rendered service to you know, but there is a particular group who's very bodies. 25:35.671 --> 25:36.693 [SPEAKER_00]: They contribute. 25:37.233 --> 25:49.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just, but I think to the point that you are making about sinners and as I blackness and just the intrusion, the fog. 25:49.291 --> 25:57.988 [SPEAKER_00]: the fog of white supremacy showing up creeping in and all these different spaces, these spaces that black people have carved out to laugh, to rejoice, to form it. 25:58.008 --> 26:03.778 [SPEAKER_00]: It's even to self-correct, to even self-correct, which is necessary for every individual group. 26:03.799 --> 26:10.211 [SPEAKER_00]: That fog creeps into those spaces and it is exhausting. 26:10.311 --> 26:11.974 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exhausting. 26:11.954 --> 26:25.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I, but I think what makes the incident at the baffters and other and many incidences that have to stop it all because it was a wild, like history, mom, let's be clear about that. 26:25.289 --> 26:25.369 [SPEAKER_00]: God. 26:25.389 --> 26:39.125 [SPEAKER_00]: What I would say the theme that I see is that, um, what the world has shown is that black people, the world has shown this not God, the world has shown is that black people are not worthy of protection. 26:39.385 --> 26:40.206 [SPEAKER_00]: We're expendable. 26:40.338 --> 26:46.714 [SPEAKER_00]: And, which is why what would be reasonable for any other human being. 26:48.539 --> 26:54.955 [SPEAKER_00]: It is almost like the gas lighting is just like the highest heights right now. 26:55.156 --> 26:56.760 [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, clearly. 26:57.213 --> 27:04.204 [SPEAKER_00]: We should not have images of the Obama's morphed into animals of any kind, but let alone apes. 27:04.284 --> 27:10.113 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we're going to play in black people's faces in the U2026, like that's not a long-standing trope. 27:10.894 --> 27:11.194 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. 27:11.615 --> 27:16.082 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I just think that's what I mean by the lack of the lack of dignifying protections. 27:17.043 --> 27:24.975 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you know that you are individually or a part of a group that is not going to be protected, 27:24.955 --> 27:29.461 [SPEAKER_00]: It keeps you at a place where your nervous system is always on a go. 27:29.842 --> 27:29.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:29.962 --> 27:31.825 [SPEAKER_00]: That fight flies freeze and fun. 27:32.305 --> 27:32.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 27:32.466 --> 27:34.649 [SPEAKER_00]: There's all kinds of ways that people work that out. 27:34.669 --> 27:34.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 27:34.829 --> 27:36.371 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're not meant to stay there. 27:36.691 --> 27:36.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:36.812 --> 27:38.314 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not meant to stay in that place. 27:38.334 --> 27:39.355 [SPEAKER_00]: We're meant to get sick. 27:39.375 --> 27:43.521 [SPEAKER_00]: It causes us to, we go there for the moment, but the moment should not be an enduring fog. 27:44.142 --> 27:51.392 [SPEAKER_00]: And so what should be a moment for every human, every human is work, we all work through storms and things that we don't want to be there. 27:51.853 --> 28:07.414 [SPEAKER_00]: But that fog of white supremacy on the experience of black Americans and black people around the world has such an impact on the body, the mind, the health, relationships, self-image concept. 28:07.434 --> 28:11.500 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is not the end of the story, but it's a necessary part of the story. 28:11.480 --> 28:12.442 [SPEAKER_00]: pretty big chapter. 28:12.984 --> 28:18.817 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to hold seconds. 28:19.479 --> 28:22.065 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to read it and take people serious. 28:22.386 --> 28:29.843 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so again, I think that is why this particular season starting off talking about the underground road 2.0. 28:29.823 --> 28:56.910 [SPEAKER_00]: And what can we do because this all what we just talked about can render people feeling like, well, this is just what it is, and we're, no, we absolutely are not, there's one thing, I mean, there are many things we can do, but one of those things is that we can be vigilant in agreeing with God about our day. 28:56.890 --> 29:15.945 [SPEAKER_00]: from the church, and there's all kinds of reasons to critique the church, but I'm gonna go hard for the church, what the church can do when it's healthy, especially in reinforcing that God didn't make no junk, and that we are called to have the mind of Jesus. 29:15.925 --> 29:26.401 [SPEAKER_00]: and to agree with God about our intrinsic dignity, that has been consistently the strongest review in tool of resistance to white supremacy globally. 29:26.522 --> 29:30.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is the truth of God about the dignity of black people. 29:30.107 --> 29:30.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 29:30.728 --> 29:36.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Consistently, it is more powerful than armed warfare. 29:36.462 --> 29:43.550 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is the most powerful means of resistance to the resistance that happens in the mind about who God says we are. 29:43.590 --> 29:50.478 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think I believe it because of my faith, but also from a social scientist standpoint, I believe that it is the most powerful tool. 29:50.498 --> 29:53.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and then then back to all of that up, you know. 29:53.661 --> 30:06.115 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, I hope you guys will journey with us, you know, as we go down, this row will take, you know, some tips, some turns, what else do you want to see? 30:06.365 --> 30:08.668 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's true. 30:08.789 --> 30:10.431 [SPEAKER_02]: These are not unboring times. 30:10.631 --> 30:12.674 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot, and all these things are all related. 30:12.774 --> 30:26.615 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that people are at least in these perilous times, or at least being able to connect the dots to know that whatever is happening in Palestine, that if genocide ain't the line, then anti-Blackness ain't the line. 30:26.655 --> 30:27.957 [SPEAKER_02]: Genocide ain't gonna be the line. 30:27.977 --> 30:30.060 [SPEAKER_02]: If mass shooting of children isn't the line. 30:30.040 --> 30:34.847 [SPEAKER_02]: and masturbating with children and lying and pedophiliaing on me to learn as we can see. 30:35.088 --> 30:38.653 [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope we see the interconnectedness of all of this. 30:38.893 --> 30:47.606 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't, then I hope that hopefully the series, or our website this season, of Tuesday, will be able to be helpful. 30:47.646 --> 30:55.818 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that even, I think that we thoroughly, I think handle anti-blackness in our book, truth-table black women's musings on life, love, and liberation. 30:55.838 --> 30:58.242 [SPEAKER_02]: I only lift it up because we talk about 30:58.610 --> 31:08.806 [SPEAKER_02]: the manifold ways in which the intrusion white supremacy tries to speak lies to us, from colorism, to black marriage rates, right? 31:09.086 --> 31:16.838 [SPEAKER_02]: And lifting up the importance of black love, and black marriage, and in your chapter, talking about even, 31:16.818 --> 31:32.400 [SPEAKER_02]: the eschaton, eschatology, or in times, or when we will be with the Lord and our blackness and how we retain our blackness and what that will look like for us to be reunited with ancestors, like Mary Harriet Tubman, right? 31:32.821 --> 31:42.775 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what does that mean to be able to be re-unified and with long loss relatives and ancestors, recovering of language that? 31:42.755 --> 31:46.441 [SPEAKER_02]: that we've never known on this side, but we'll know on that side. 31:46.501 --> 31:50.909 [SPEAKER_02]: So I lifted up only because we talked concretely about that. 31:51.330 --> 31:53.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we have written concretely about that? 31:53.433 --> 31:53.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 31:54.695 --> 32:01.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think we need all the resources we can get in addition to prayer, reading the word, listen to podcasts, you know, so. 32:02.168 --> 32:03.430 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, speaking the truth. 32:03.410 --> 32:11.740 [SPEAKER_02]: and speaking the truth, telling yourself that you're speaking the truth over your babies, they really got to hear it, you know, because you don't know what they're hearing at school. 32:12.120 --> 32:14.022 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know what they're hearing from their peers, right? 32:14.063 --> 32:22.192 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know how this racism is trickling down to them, you know, through their peers at school. 32:22.212 --> 32:22.873 [SPEAKER_02]: You just don't know. 32:23.233 --> 32:25.536 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's house ain't to say, you know, so. 32:25.516 --> 32:31.468 [SPEAKER_02]: So we hope you'll stick with us and stay at the table with us for season 10 of underground rural road 2.0. 32:32.250 --> 32:37.120 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be here talking about all the things we're going with some great with some great guests as well. 32:37.280 --> 32:38.062 [SPEAKER_00]: What's a great guest? 32:38.162 --> 32:41.729 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're excited and we hope that you'll travel with us. 32:41.749 --> 32:43.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, all the way to freedom land. 32:44.094 --> 32:46.900 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we'll see you soon on the next